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17 Mar 2018 12:44:17
Has LFC had a look at the two 19 year old center back at Kieta's team? Watched them against zenith in UEFA cup never lost a header or tackle big future for both of them.


1.) 17 Mar 2018 13:23:17
The whole world has looked at him, he is priced out of a move.

2.) 17 Mar 2018 14:27:11
Upemecanno it is, he’d be excellent alongside Van Dijk, but too expensive.

{Ed002's Note - Dayot Upamecano is priced out of a move to Barcelona at the moment but they will keep trying.}

3.) 17 Mar 2018 15:52:35
Umtiti being difficult again now? hehe.

4.) 17 Mar 2018 17:13:59
Do you know if Liverpool would match the offer Leipzig are looking for Ed? I would say Barcelona wouldn’t have paid what we paid for Van Dijk.

{Ed002's Note - For a player they have not shown an interest in? No.}



30 Jan 2018 12:18:33
Has Klopp got any pulling power? I know he got VVD and Salah who are sound but everyone else he has gone for have snubbed us and gone somewhere else. so what powers has he got because Ming, Lovren, Moreno, Gomez, Firmino, Can, Clyne are Brendan's signings. I was lead to believe he found all these players for buttons while at Dortmund?


1.) 30 Jan 2018 12:28:34
This guy is a troll, no?

2.) 30 Jan 2018 12:32:39
Seriously? I have no idea who people think they’ve watched for the last ten years. We talk like we’ve been watching Barcelona instead of Liverpool.

3.) 30 Jan 2018 13:16:00
Who exactly have we gone for?

4.) 30 Jan 2018 14:22:21
VVD and got him.

5.) 30 Jan 2018 15:43:49
There is a joke about Klopp and his wife here somewhere, i just can't get the punchline.

6.) 30 Jan 2018 16:39:40
It's not klopp that is the issue, it is the north of England. The only reason city and utd get their players is well. Wages. Money orientated players.

7.) 30 Jan 2018 16:53:09
I don't think it was Klopp that got the players for Dortmund.

8.) 30 Jan 2018 18:22:37
Only some grainy CCTV footage and a doormans statement can confirm that about Klopp.

9.) 30 Jan 2018 21:14:55
Please tell me which player is top class and not money oriented. Even Salah the humble has inform his agent to enquire about real Madrid interest.

10.) 31 Jan 2018 12:31:24
Would you be happy in the workplace if you liked your job BUT found out others got paid more than you? As he cliche goes it is a short career, all players should be interested in getting good money from their time, although it shouldn’t be their god.

But as others have said who are these star players who have turned down Klopp/ LFC?

11.) 31 Jan 2018 14:20:30
Irish rover if your right then why didn’t we sign the person who found these players? If it weren’t Klopp . The north west another reason lol well shanks Bob Kenny all got top players to north west and won leagues and trophies next wages another reason that’s why players go to Manx’s no it is because they are going to win trophies so that kills that one . next one he got VVD well yes he did but cost us a extra 25 million due to illegal approach and did say he got him . He has tried to get Pulisic. Monaco player and others are they in LFC shirts! O and his misses no joke about the mans wife just pulling top player for LFC.

12.) 31 Jan 2018 14:23:37
I never mentioned money orientated players.



22 Jan 2018 12:15:59
Hi reds, just read Mo could be away to Madrid in Summer. When we sold Louis then Philip we gave clubs idea we are a selling club and if you don't take no for answer and turn players head finding gems like the three mentioned will be very very hard to replace and if we do replace them then how long would we keep them . A stand has to be made now by the club by putting massive buyout clauses like Spanish teams do or we stay a selling club and go no we're.


1.) 22 Jan 2018 12:50:13
What good would buyout clauses do?

They are rarely met and players usually move for much less.

2.) 22 Jan 2018 12:59:58
You mean the Egyptian FA guy? Cause it's likely that Real picked up the phone to someone they've never had any reason to speak to just to lay out their summer transfer plans? Sure, doesn't sound unlikely at all. This guy definitely isn't just trying to capitalise on the brief period of time where people care about the Egyptian FA at all by trying to make himself a media figure with exclusive information on clubs like Real.

{Ed002's Note - This is old news. I have previously explained that Salah had his agent approach Real Madrid about any interest in him as he had concerns he may miss the opportunity to move there. There have since been further meetings.}

3.) 22 Jan 2018 13:49:52
We really need to be bringing through a strong core of youngsters who would die for the Liverpool shirt. Getting fed up of these new signings angling for a move.

4.) 22 Jan 2018 13:55:52
Im assuming we have no intention of letting him go. It would be ridiculous selling or 2 best players in the same year.

{Ed002's Note - Right.}

5.) 22 Jan 2018 14:06:37
Is klopp aware of these further meetings ed002? Honestly if it carries on id happily sell him in the summer. Who the hell does he think he is, looking for a move 6 months after joining the club.

{Ed002's Note - Whether Klopp is aware or not (I imagine he is) there is nothing wrong with his agent talking to Madrid.}

6.) 22 Jan 2018 14:14:21
So he is off, coutihno part 2 only a lot quicker unfortunately.

{Ed002's Note - Who has said he is off. Posts like this are the reason it is best not to explain certain things.}

7.) 22 Jan 2018 14:16:56
You can’t lock players down forever, the only thing you can do is make sure if they ever push to leave to the likes of Barcelona and RM, then they leave on your terms too (ie. you get paid enough and with plenty of time to arrange a suitable replacement and then some. ) In the long term we also need to win trophy’s otherwise we will always have this issue.

142mln for Coutinho vs 35mln for Salah and Mane coming in shows it’s not impossible to manage the situation, even if we have been exceptionally lucky with how well Salah in particular has worked out so far.

{Ed002's Note - I would ignore the finances.}

8.) 22 Jan 2018 14:17:13
If he leaves bet we get gelson Martin's.

9.) 22 Jan 2018 14:23:33
It seems certain Real will make an offer, and LFC may be faced with another player simply refusing to play in any useful way, as coutinho did.

If Salah simply cannot be persuaded to stay, and if his incredible form continues through the summer and the world cup, LFC should be looking for a Neymar level fee of between £150-200 million.

The rumoured £70m summer bid would be a derisory offer for a man who on current form is one of the top five attacking players in the world, and if Real do make such a low bid I believe LFC would be better to deny a move regardless of the player's threats not to play.

If they won't pay a fair price, and if he won't play, I would rather he rot on the sidelines and train alone, and pay his wages for a full season, than be cheated out of £100 million by a Spanish mega club.

Sell only if we absolutely have to, but please don't get swindled by Real. Do as Daniel Levy did with Bale, and screw every single penny out of them.

10.) 22 Jan 2018 13:34:17
And you can't get any pharaoh than that.

11.) 22 Jan 2018 15:27:44
I would have thought it's fairly standard practice to scope out interest. at the very least it would allow his representatives to get him a substantially better deal with us. Given how short the lifespan of a football player is I cannot blame them for trying to maximise their position and finances. I also think the days of dying for the shirt are gone as the voice of fans have grown louder and their fickle and "turncoat" nature has become more apparent.

{Ed001's Note - I would not worry about it.}

12.) 22 Jan 2018 15:27:47
Actually selling Coutinho may not hurt this situation. If he went for 142m and Salah has been stunning this season there is plenty of scope for setting a price that any club will struggle with. The days of saying a player isn’t for sale could be dead anyway since they can run down the contract and go for nothing. Any player is for sale if the price to the club and offer the the player is acceptable. If someone offered 250M for Salah and he wanted to go would it be the right thing to say no?

13.) 22 Jan 2018 16:12:16
I actually know Mo personally and he is a different type of person to your normal footballer. I was introduced through my football circle as an investment consultant for overseas players which I have been doing for 5 yrs and we became close. He really is one of the best I've met and would think he would be loyal to LFC for at least a couple more years.

14.) 22 Jan 2018 16:52:42
From your mouth to God's ears, Ray.

15.) 22 Jan 2018 15:18:25
Ed I say he was off as his agent talking too Madrid at his requests I take it they aren't meeting too decide what they all can have for tea are they, they have meeting to basically get the ball rolling at the earliest possible stage.

{Ed002's Note - player’s representatives talk with clubs all of the time.}

16.) 22 Jan 2018 17:38:35
I think the Phil saga showed that the club do not want to be seen as a selling club at all. But when a player's head is turned by the big dogs there is little we can do, the reality is that majority of players want to play at the highest level and we aren't able to offer that at the minute.
Very easy as Liverpool fans to think what a privilege and honour it is to play for our great club but for a kid from Brazil or Egypt Barcelona, real Madrid would surely be the dream?

17.) 22 Jan 2018 15:01:58
Agree Ed, just trying to make the point that selling someone for a high price tag doesn’t that they’re irreplaceable - we have a more dangerous frontline than ever now.

18.) 22 Jan 2018 18:10:30
Ed002 I may have misinterpreted what you said, but I have to disagree that there's "nothing wrong with his agent talking to madrid" under his instruction. Maybe technically/ legally there isn't a problem, but morally and professionally I think that's a poor showing.

{Ed002's Note - How would you expect player transfers to happen. Even Liverpool when acting professionally deal with agents on a day-by-day basis.}

19.) 22 Jan 2018 18:48:25
Is this guy hailstones damaged goods?

20.) 22 Jan 2018 18:51:32
I think the dream for every footballer is to become the best player they can, win the most they can and make the most they can. Barcelona and Madrid are just the easy route to all 3, nevermind that they go head to head every season. If Liverpool can prove themselves on the world stage for multiple reasons (and truthfully we are getting there with Klopp) then it will be accepted by players that we can give them everything they want. As is, we have to persuade the world's best we are the next move for them with the begrudging acceptance that they will inevitably look for a move to another, presumably better, club.

21.) 22 Jan 2018 21:07:34
Test Real and ask for Asensio as part of the deal, bet they back off then if they do bid!

22.) 23 Jan 2018 10:55:05
Calm down everyone, he's allowed to have his agent speak to other employers.

I'd wager many players of other clubs are doing the same thing with Liverpool as we speak.

23.) 24 Jan 2018 12:01:11
Madrid are kind of on a downward spiral and I can’t see Klopp selling Salah until at least the end of NEXT season, and hopefully Madrid keep spiralling down so they aren't as much as an attractive proposition xD

There defense and midfield is still amazing but their attacking options are getting on a bit now and as proven this season, they are apparently human (Mainly Ronaldo) and are not performing to expextations.
He is 33 next month an by the end of the next season, 35. 😅
Bale kinda seems to have been done in a bit with his injuries but he’s still class, Benzema looks to be done too.

And, mainly, everybody seems to want to go to Barcelona instead of Madrid lately.

I could be completely wrong with this post like, heck Ronaldo will get his form back and then could prove he is inhuman again and continue at his top level until he's 40 😂.



12 Jan 2018 14:38:39
What's happened to the transfer prices for players it is getting out of hand . I blame the Spanish league, they buy a player for let's say £15 million and then put a fee for buy out clause for something stupid like £200 million this has been going on for a long time now inflating transfers UEFA need to step in and put a end to this system it is against all that football stands for and must be addressed now.

I can see in the very near future that professional football will implode in the same way as the banks went and will struggle to survive as the Italy league nearly went a few years ago. How can LFC justify £30 million for Studge he has a very long history of injuries Walcott to Everton is the same. I know we have just pocketed a large sum from Barcelona and though we have the money does not help either us or Barcelona .

To replace Coutinio it will cost most of what we received from and Barcelona will have sell players and merchandise to pay for transfer it is total madness and will ring the death knoll for football for ever if we don't address it soon.


1.) 12 Jan 2018 16:06:11
It’s not getting out of hand it’s already completely out of hand! When Barcelona put a €198 clause on Neymar and PSG called their bluff and matched it, it was only going to go one way.

2.) 12 Jan 2018 16:07:28
The more TV money the more available cash the higher the price for players. Don't think the Spanish system is specifically to blame particularly but interesting post to avoid the other usual ones asking eds the same names every 5 minutes.

3.) 12 Jan 2018 16:11:04
The Spanish league isn't to blame. To even suggest that is ridiculous.

The reason player prices have gone up is that clubs have more money to spend due to increased revenues from sponsorship, TV money etc.

There might well be clubs that implode because they overspend in the expectation that the revenues keep increasing.

4.) 12 Jan 2018 16:33:56
To be fair to PSG, if he says more then 4/ 5years that was one hell of a bargain, gunna be the worlds best for a long time soon and he’s still young a massive asset with resale value same with what they paid for mbappe. Great Buisness.

5.) 12 Jan 2018 17:28:28
Spending is on the same percentage of clubs revenue that is has always been. I may be corrected here but somewhere around 20% of revenue has been a regular figure to spend on record (or high at the time) transfer fees since football was a business.

I did see an article sometime last year listing all British record fees as a percentage of turnover and they were all pretty consistent but i can't find it now. But as an example,

When we bought Stan Collymore in '95 for 8.5 million, it was deemed a massive fee. Our turnover was somewhere in the region of 50 million.

In March 2017, our turnover was announced as being around 300 million and our record signing that summer was Naby Keita for 55 million.

A huge jump in price but not in comparison to percentage of turnover. Clubs are spending within their means, because there is so much more money in the game now. The fees may be astronomical, but clubs are not spending, in general, what they can't afford.

6.) 12 Jan 2018 18:14:13
In their title winning season Blackburn Rovers spent 73% of their turnover on transfers, that's the equivalent of United spending £970 million last summer.

7.) 12 Jan 2018 18:18:53
In my opinion there are three teams to blame for the inflated prices and that PSG and the two Manchester clubs. Even Chelsea with the Russians wads of cash didn't go this stupid.

8.) 12 Jan 2018 18:42:16
The only issue i have with all this is why do we the fans have to pay upwards of £50 a ticket.

9.) 12 Jan 2018 18:57:27
Its quite clearly because of the rising revenues from TV and sponsorship. It needs some kind of regulation. Giving teams more money does NOT improve the game in any way. It just means the transfer market levels out after its been inflated. £80 million player today is £200 million tomorrow, but the spending power of teams does not change, only the prices. If the increased revenues was being used to reduce ticket prices id be all for that, but it isnt.

10.) 12 Jan 2018 18:58:40
Not us paying £75 mil on a centre back then?! I agree we’re perhaps late to the party, but we’re involved now!

11.) 12 Jan 2018 19:02:47
I seem to recall a few clubs sniffing around Wright philips and offering 11 million. Chelsea went in and bought him for 22. So I don't agree with that part of your statement.

12.) 12 Jan 2018 19:12:36
Decimus-Because that’s the going rate, FSG could chuck £20/ 30 on top of the prices and I think Anfield would still be a sell out, so you could argue they are under priced.

13.) 12 Jan 2018 19:49:39
I think if you have a market with as few major players as football then suddenly introduce an oil rich country with effectively unlimited money it's always going to send the prices wacky. People have been saying money is ruining the game since Forest dropped £1m on Trevor Francis nearly 40 years ago and still seems pretty good to me!

14.) 12 Jan 2018 20:10:43
Under priced? Give it a rest.

15.) 12 Jan 2018 21:05:22
Looking at it from a business sense why would they drop ticket prices when they sell Anfield out for every game? I’d rather pay less for a ticket but I would rather pay less for everything if possible.

16.) 12 Jan 2018 21:27:34
Because it would attract younger fans, families, maybe people who have never been to a game. plus it would draw the attention of sponsors if we were one of the first clubs to do it. Get people talking about the club. And the money made on gate reciepts doesn't mean as much as it used to. The fans are the life of any club.

17.) 12 Jan 2018 21:43:26
We are far from struggling for fans or sponsors. The fact we sell out every home game proves this.

18.) 12 Jan 2018 22:33:26
I used to view it from the perspective of supply and demand, and from that point of view, you are right. We fill out anfield every game. We could charge more and it would still fill out. Football is a business etc.

But football is nothing without fans. Clubs have a level of social responsibility. With the amount of money in the game today, no fan, regardless of age or background, should be alienated from the game on price. The game may be more business orientated but Liverpool Football Club, is first and foremost, a football club. A community built by the fans, for the fans, not an institution to exploit the fans. The demographic of fans who go to the matches should not be narrowed to a slim shred of society by price. Anfield will continue to fill up because there are always richer fans who will come, but it doesn't mean that those who are poorer should not be able to. If it was me id be overhauling everything with loyalty schemes, deals for children and young people, ways to encourage noise at anfield, safe standing areas, the lot.

{Ed025's Note - i like that AW mate..

19.) 12 Jan 2018 23:14:59
Well said woolback.

20.) 13 Jan 2018 00:12:40
I agree with the sentiment 100% AW but, the Premier League clubs and in particular, clubs like ours are internationally renowned sports teams. I live near Oxford (that does not make me rich, far from it) and I feel as connected to the club as a local may do. But because I don't have a season ticket, pretty much passed down through generations, I can barely get to Anfield and I end up having to watch the matches via other means (If you know what I mean, I've not missed a game in the last few seasons) . It's not the fault of local fans, but because of the size of the club, everybody wants tickets and it drives prices up. If I had my way, there would be no season tickets and it would be a lottery style selection process per match. That way, I may get to see the team I spend so much of life devoted to. If Metallica were run like like a football club, I'd never get to see them and in my mind, in the modern game, there's barely any difference.

Basically 50 odd quid to the average fan, of which there are millions compared to the 50 odd thousand in attendance, means nothing.

21.) 13 Jan 2018 05:50:57
AW-There is loyalty schemes and sales for locals.
WKD- Liverpool have (or at least did have) the lowest percentage of season ticket holders to seats so what your saying is rubbish, I don’t live in Liverpool or have an inherited season ticket but I still manage to get to 10-15 games per season so your obviously not trying hard enough, it can be frustrating at times the ticket process but if you get yourself a membership you will get tickets if you try hard enough.

22.) 13 Jan 2018 06:33:40
Back in the day when football was a contact sport and footballers lived in the real world clubs main income was from attendances. We sold out every week then. Did we over price it so fans couldn’t afford it? No we didn’t.
Then sponsorship came in and at one point came close to matching income from attendances, but before it got there SkyTV changed the game. They threw millions at clubs and now it’s billions.
Premier league clubs don’t really need the revenue from fans anymore, it’s just greed that stops them lowering prices. That and FFP.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with all that ron..

23.) 13 Jan 2018 08:55:49
Best debate I've seen on here for years - thanks.
Like WRKD I have been a massive reds fan since the day the King signed but living in Birmingham am squeezed out.
Conga - the membership scheme might as well be a season ticket. The ticket sale is fixed to who went to lots of games last season. It's chicken and egg - nothing to do with "trying harder". Because you went to 15 games last season you get first dibs on buying another 15 - making it self perpetuating. I enter the sale 3 days later and there are only tickets left for 2 games - which keeps low down the queue for next time. For me it's a vicious circle.
Thanks to the cup scheme, I get to all cup matches - and bring my kids. But that leaves me with almost entirely midweek games - which is not easy from brum - nor cost efficient. So think again about the "try harder" comment.

24.) 13 Jan 2018 09:41:51
Brummie- I don’t have 15 premiership games from last season on my record so the only advantage I have over you is that I’m elegible for the big games (Everton, Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, spurs) I will have exactly the same chance as you in the rest of the games.
Being from Birmingham is irrelevant and other than the newly introduced local sale (heard it’s a fairly low number) ticket sales don’t discriminate against location.
I agree it must be a nightmare getting back to Birmingham after a midweek game but you’ve made a rod for your own back by not supporting a team local to yourself, there is nothing the club can do about that.
I have supported the club all my life and have been fairly regular at Anfield for most of it, however it’s only been 3 years since I moved back to the north west after being in the army and in that time I have got a membership and managed to get a good amount of tickets and built up some loyalty where I’m guaranteed European and all Cup games and I can get to a upto 10 league games a season so it’s not a closed shop.
With regards to the group members sale, I have had little lucky with that the last few years, I find have much more joy on the individual members resale.

25.) 13 Jan 2018 11:27:00
You're right, I gave up trying hard because I was getting nowhere and so I only get to a game once in a blue moon. It is difficult to get to matches and you saying you only get the big games for loyalty proves it - that's near enough half you're stated attendance. Yes I can get to some cup games, but they aren't exactly high profile ones, and more often than not, the team you're watching doesn't contain half the players you hoped to see. To get in the position where I could see a Merseyside derby, for example, would take several years of preparation and then, if I missed one, through say illness, I would have to go right back down the ladder again. Etc etc. All I'm saying is people that complain about the price they pay to see games forget how fortunate they are to see the games at all. To go any gig of an act just as high profile and you'll pay more. It's an entertainment business, not a social gathering nowadays.

26.) 13 Jan 2018 12:46:01
WRKD- Why would being ill knock you back for future games? its fairly clear you don’t know the process of getting tickets for Liverpool and are one of many fans who blames non attendance on the system saying it’s impossible. That just isn’t true.
If you try hard you will get to 4 league games in a season and therefore be eligible for the big games the following season, so it would take a year not several.




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06 Feb 2020 15:56:09
As Liverpool fan I would like to pass on to Manchester United my thoughts and prayers for all who were lost in Munich air disaster.


1.) 06 Feb 2020 18:04:01
Someone mentioned recently the LFCtv documentary ‘Us and them’ about the rivalry with Man Utd. But the point was made that the two places are very much alike and just different sides of the same coin. Watching it, I was struck by people like Peter Hooton who said that his generation all loved George Best and the older Liverpool fan who remembered Munich and the effect it had on the country, never mind football. His wish was for both sets of fans to respect the other, both clubs have had their tragedies.

2.) 06 Feb 2020 18:35:27
All my heart-felt wishes go to Manchester Utd on this solemn day. Stay strong, lads!

3.) 06 Feb 2020 19:05:58
I'll echo these sentiments.

Can I ask, do man utd fans offer similar messages of support on the Hillsborough anniversaries? Because I've seen BOTH sets of fans doing some pretty vile actions in the crowd.

{Ed025's Note - every team has its fair share of idiots robbie but thankfully its a small minority, usually you will find that uniteds supporters show a great deal of sympathy for the tragedy that was hillsborough, supporters of both sides become more vocal depending on how their team is performing mate, if their team is doing well you will find that the vitriol is less than if they are performing badly i have found..

4.) 06 Feb 2020 20:56:29
I was,21 years of age at the time of Munich and I have to say at that time there was nothing like the bile that exists now. The majority of supporters throughout football greatly admired Matt Busby and the babes, Duncan Edwards was really admired and it was such a tradjedy.

5.) 06 Feb 2020 22:23:52
Fully in agreement with Evered. Ferguson has a lot to answer for in fanning the flames of animosity.

6.) 06 Feb 2020 22:43:01
Some things are more important than football and as passionate as I am about my team I can find only sadness in 8 young boys losing their lives in the Munich disaster regardless of the team they represented.
May they all rest in peace. YNWA.

7.) 07 Feb 2020 06:57:24
I don't think finger pointing is necessary in this post, especially from Liverpool fans who are certainly no Angel's Redplanet.

8.) 07 Feb 2020 08:24:22
Juices quote says it all it's a lack of respect from scrots who don't hold any value of what it is to be a human being and unfortunately these are the voices that get heard decent people with no controversy are not news worthy.

{Ed001's Note - very true and Redplanet is completely missing the point. Ferguson was the first to get in touch with LFC after Hillsborough. He was always extremely helpful to the families as well. If you are stupid enough to believe that giving people nasty abuse is ok over a game, then whatever Fergie did is irrelevant. It is just an excuse by people like Redplanet to excuse a group of morons with no morals or respect.}



04 Apr 2018 15:01:56
RIP Ray Butch Wilkins top player top man.


1.) 04 Apr 2018 15:33:16
RIP Ray Wilkins, will be missed.

2.) 04 Apr 2018 15:19:15
Football has lost one of the last true gents.

{Ed0333's Note - it’s absolutely shocking, still can’t believe he’s gone. Had a great story about Ray Wilkins I shared on the United page last week. I hope the players wear black armbands at the game tonite.

3.) 04 Apr 2018 15:22:08
Very sad news indeed RIP.

{Ed0333's Note - I echo your sentiments Acer. Very sad news.

4.) 04 Apr 2018 16:17:04
Shocking news, didn't expect this, I thought he might've pulled through. RIP to a legend!

5.) 04 Apr 2018 16:19:14
Desperate news, 61 is no age. Big Ron Atkinson playfully labelled him "The Crab". Top player but a better person.

6.) 04 Apr 2018 17:00:39
R. I. P Ray butch Wilkins lovely guy good player as well. I loved him commentating on football Italia in the 90's.

7.) 04 Apr 2018 17:45:13
Agree with sentiments shown above RIP to one of the games gentlemen both on and off the pitch, softly spoken and a 100% football guy. Modern players could certainly learn a thing or two from him RE: how they conduct themselves.

8.) 04 Apr 2018 19:25:02
Completely agree bandit, if only mate.



31 Mar 2018 09:00:19
Best wishes to butch Wilkins hope he has full recovery top class footballer and top class man good luck butch.




03 Oct 2017 00:55:22
When will another football team come and play football against LFC are we going to have to play against ten men behind the ball every match . These team never seem to play this way against united, city, Chelsea, arsenal, spurs? Let's see if Huddersfield play this way because they didn't against spurs on Saturday it is becoming boring watching this type of football I know teams are trying to survive but it is killing the premier league as entertainment value and people will become fed up paying to watch boring football . all football teams in the premier league have a duty to produce entertaining games not the dross they are serving against LFC.


1.) 03 Oct 2017 01:44:06
Thing is, we are a team that could thrive playing counter-attack. So why don't we sit back too? Would it result in the ball sitting on the centre spot with everyone refusing to kick it?

2.) 03 Oct 2017 05:22:25
I'd go for me, Baine, and The Bat Tumbler. Jokes aside, Casemiro, Nzonzi, Magic.

3.) 03 Oct 2017 07:12:46
Of course they will, it's a tactic that's proven to work.

{Ed025's Note - its a tactic made up by liverpool supporters to justify poor performances, all this "they park the bus"and they dont come and play football is a total cop out, teams have different styles and some may play on the counter which liverpool have used before to great effect, maybe you want to pick their teams for them and force them to play 7 forwards?, you need to get over yourselves and stop blaming other teams for your own failings..

4.) 03 Oct 2017 07:15:05
Awkward - wrong thread lol.

5.) 03 Oct 2017 07:42:53
LOL you can’t beat the bus parking team from 2 good years now you want some favor from them lol! And why would they play to your hands mate? Are we giving them
Some cash in return? They don’t have the required quality to play high up and high attacking footie hence they sit back! You got to ask your manager to find a way to break this resilient teams!


We simply can’t sit back! You are being fooled by the pace of Mane and Salah! Yes they can beat anyone on the planet but to sit back means you give the opposite. Time and possession and you forms a shape as a team something we are terrible at! Our midfielders are crap in this department and our CB’s lol they can’t deal with a 2 minutes pressure on a corner and you want them to contain an opposition for 90 mts!
Our full backs are not defenders in th first place they are failed wingers who can’t defend.

We keep the ball so we don’t concede much! We don’t keep the ball, the pressure mounts and eventually our defense explodes!

Teams like us and City cannot sit back!

And Boy, ain’t sitting back is called a BORING FOOTBALL on this site by the Supper Aliens! You wanna Piss off the super aliens lol!

{Ed001's Note - you do realise one of our full backs is a centre back not a failed winger right?}

6.) 03 Oct 2017 09:20:24
Once again, Harry, you make some good points and undermine your response with cheap digs and childish name calling. It us a pity.

7.) 03 Oct 2017 10:10:38
It's a result business. And the so called lesser teams who don't have £30m to send on Mane, or £30m to spend on Salah, or £40m to spend on Ox, have to find a way to pick up points and stay in the premier league. It's their right to do that anyway they need to. And it's you MANAGERS job to find a way around it. The fact your moaning about the way teams set up against you just because your not winning games is laughable.

{Ed001's Note - hardly laughable, your manager does that every time his team fails to win. It is just the modern way - excuses.}

8.) 03 Oct 2017 10:20:06
Once again Andy you ignore the amount of abuse I take on this site for posting anything!

9.) 03 Oct 2017 10:40:47
Well Stone Age if your happy watching school yard football that's up to you mate. And we may as well leave the ball on the kick off spot it would be more entertaining.

10.) 03 Oct 2017 12:51:43
You need a 'Plan B' for game like that. It's nothing new. MU tend to use Mata to open up parked buses. City do it exceptionally well. Klopp at Dortmund was criticised for never having a 'Plan B'. Going into finals and having only one game plan. Many teams will play this way against Liverpool because it yields results. It's up to the manager to find a way to play against it, by using the players he has or buy players who will help. One way of beating a parked bus is constant crosses into the box, but with Salah, Mane and Firminio there isn't really someone big who can punish a well drilled defence when they are set up to sit back and defend.

11.) 03 Oct 2017 12:52:15
Stand, your post is laughable. Your manager invented the phrase "parked the bus". He made a career out of winning that way YET has the gaul to call Sam Allardyce out for employing the very same tactics and called it stone age footie. The hypocrisy is deafening.

Also, Your manager has made a career of blaming everyone from his players to the team doctor for his own failings in fact last season, you would think Luke Shaw was reason for all of Utd's failings last season w/ the way your manager bullied and targeted him at every turn esp. when you did not win which was often (15 draws says it all)

12.) 03 Oct 2017 13:44:16
I liked a lot of what you said albeyred but teams aren't required to produce entertaining football. It's the level of technical skill that you pay to see not attractive tactics. If you ask Swansea fans if they would rather grab draws and the odd one nil win with defencive tactics or lose every week playing attractive free fling football.

I really fancy Swansea to be fine this year BTW, perhaps top ten. In glucas and sanchez they have z very exciting central midfield.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? Swansea are god awful to watch and all the fans of the club I know would rather lose and enjoy the game than play like they are and survive. They are used to the likes of Toshack bringing good football, they feel it is a part of the club.

They might survive, but what I saw of Sanchez suggests that he is about as exciting as the pile of dishes waiting for you after Xmas dinner.....}

13.) 03 Oct 2017 14:14:29

Your are wrong on City! There is no plan B there! They know only one way but are exceptional in that way! UTD will take points from City I am dead certain! What Pep did was to power pack his only plan that is high attacking football with some absolute gems that teams fear to attack them nor they have enough quality to contain them!
UTD has and they will park the bus successfully!

14.) 03 Oct 2017 08:33:25
Ed025 - sorry but I can't agree. Some teams do play on the counter attack and that is absolutely fine. But there are also teams that 'park the bus' i. e. play with no intention of winning or even really scoring and just hoping that by playing with a minimum of 8 defensive players at all times, they will avoid another team scoring and get a point out of the tie. It's not a cop out - it's true and its an increasingly accepted phenomenon that breaks the very spirit of the game. It's not just us they do it to.

I consider it the difference between our 2-0 loss to Chelsea with Gerrards slip and our 4-0 to Chelsea a few years ago. When we lost 4-0 they set up to soak up some pressure and hit us hard and fast on the break, with a higher than average success rate. That's a perfectly valid tactic. In the 2-0 loss, they played in a way that made it abundantly clear from minute 1 that if given a perfect chance they would take it, but otherwise they had no intention of attempting to score at any point in the game. It's an important distinction.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think it is hjikle, its an excuse by the attacking team when they cant break a defence down, its up to the attacking team to breach the opponents back line using guile, skill and craft, their failure to do that says a lot more about the attack than the opponents defence and thats why i describe it as a cop out mate, so i think we will just have to agree to disagree on this one..

15.) 03 Oct 2017 09:30:45
Spot on, Ed25. I don't really care how other teams play cos there is no rule book that states how football should be played. It is up to us to break down these parked buses and like it or not and contrary to what the perennial moaners want us to believe, we have greatly improved in that regard. We have created a lot more clear chances vs parked buses this season than we were doing last season.

Last season, we were not creating anywhere near the 4/ 5 clear chances we have created in each game vs such teams. We played CP, Newcastle and Burnley and tho we beat CP 1-0 and should have been more, we created 4 clear chances vs both Burnley and Newcastle, which should have been enough to win both games. Last season not only were we not breaking teams down consistently (we did a fair lot of the time last season), we were actually losing such games.

Klopp bringing in Salah and a fit Cou has helped a lot and with Lallana coming back in the midfield will offer a lot more guile than it is doing right now. Our strikers just have to improve their finishing to help offset the one error our defenders or GK will be prone to in every game. That last part is sad but true.

{Ed025's Note - players like mane and salah have the skill to break down any defence bingo, i hate all the whinging about mythical buses being parked when an attack cant breach a well organised back line mate..

16.) 03 Oct 2017 12:32:00
25, I only just saw your response and feel a little hurt, you're normally so nice : (

As for my point I stick by it. There's a clear correlation between teams ceding us possession and getting better results. Of course they all have slight variation but it's fundamentally; let Liverpool hold possession in midfield, close down the space in their own final third, wait for Liverpool to lose possession, exploit the space behind Liverpool's midfield, repeat. It doesn't work every time but it gives a 'lesser' team the best chance of getting a result against us. It's not about a team playing the wrong way is about our opposition exploiting our weakness.

{Ed025's Note - you have just reiterated exactly what i was saying putney, teams will always try to find flaws in their opponents style and thats fair game to me, all this cry baby nonsense over parked buses is an excuse for under performing forwards to justify being crap mate..

17.) 03 Oct 2017 18:01:26
Ed25, I agree with you fully as I mentioned in my post. The whinging needs to end cos it smacks of desperation and deflection, IMO. Let us leave that to the like of Mou who in this regard, escoriates teams for using the very tactics he himself brought to the PL and still uses till this day.

{Ed025's Note - your right bingo..

18.) 03 Oct 2017 20:36:55
Yeah the days of nice football at Swansea appear to be long gone. At least since Monk took over.

19.) 04 Oct 2017 20:45:02
Chicken or egg, Harry? Which came first?



04 Feb 2017 18:43:12
Having been a red for 55 years this no knee jerk reaction . I have watched LFC today and i am of the opinion that there is something going on behind the scenes at LFC .

I don't no if it is to do with coutinio wage rise and players on lesser money have taken umbridge . But i believe there is something wrong because you can't have 8 or 9 players all go off the boil at once .

I say this because of the way we played up until xmas . If it is not that then i have to say the coaching staff and manager need to have a good look at them selves as we are giving away very similar goals in the last several games the players may be following orders and leaving the space behind themselves .


1.) 04 Feb 2017 18:59:25
I couldn't agree more. Do you know what really gets up my nose? Commentators and pundits saying its all Liverpool with possession but no quality in the final third. What is going on? You can't blame it on Coutinho' wage increase, because every club has a player who earns more than the others. I think it is more likely that the opposition has sussed out how to play against Klopp's system. I remember Ed's 2 saying that his system was sussed in the Bundisleaga after a few years.

2.) 04 Feb 2017 19:12:43
Personally I would drop coutihno we play better without him, original had a great run in his absence and there's none of this " I'm too good for this club" ego as he wastes chance after chance and doesn't look interested.

3.) 04 Feb 2017 19:16:36
Its simple mate nothing to do w/ coutinho wages. mid table teams are happy to sit back and counter us . klopp/ players had no answers. It was really heartbreaking to see klopp's reaction for their 2nd goal😑.

4.) 04 Feb 2017 19:20:03
Everybody to there own, for me first half of season everything was done with pace, then soon as can is back in the team once we get to half way line or further up the pitch and he gets on the ball it goes backwards and ends back at the keepers feet.

For me its ever since can came back into team when mane went to acon. Am not saying this because i don't like him, altho am not his biggest fan he slows everything down in a huge way which is playing agenst the way klopp has us set up to play.

Now for anyone that thinks otherwise watch liverpool next time out and pay attention to can, when he recieves the ball and where he goes and what he does with it. Am sorry but this guy is a week link and doesn't bring anything to the team, because he simply isn't good enough.

5.) 04 Feb 2017 19:03:29
Spot on, Alby. There is something wrong here cos I couldn't pick out one good perf from today's game as it was that bad. Lallana has gone back to being Johan Cruyff, Migs is back to back to dropping clangers, Can is poor right now, Studge might as well be gone, and the lot. Klopp seems to be doing the same things yet expecting different results. Something needs to be done or no CL footie for us next season.

6.) 04 Feb 2017 19:23:38
Change of tactics needed - play on the backfoot, invite teams on then counter attack like our front line know how. Come on Klopp, you were supposed to be the chosen one. oh and drop Migs. Yet again he cuts our throat before the oranges are handed out.

7.) 05 Feb 2017 04:12:33
Our midfielders are afraid to make penetrating runs from midfield playing little one twos with the forwards because their frightened of leaving the defence exposed as our 2 full backs are instructed to push up
This leads to a lack of penetration and a failure to get between the 2 lines of opposing defenders (only mane) .
This keeps the opposing defence in Perfect position and makes us pass the ball square too often and results in long shots on goal and fewer cast iron chances.
When hullcountered for their 2nd goal Matip and lucas were standing near the half way line 2m apart.
Hull went through them like a dose of salts

Not good enough all through out the team today.




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10 Jun 2022 16:59:47
Viceroy we all had worries over our last signing coming from a league not as strong as ours so let's see how this boy turns out you can always say i told you so can't you buddy.




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27 Mar 2020 19:18:11
It is not just the Liverpool fans who want the league to put back next season it is the several teams below LFC for European places then there is the teams from Championship league up for promotion so stop being biased to LFC will you your boring now plonker.




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17 Mar 2020 18:13:24
if the league becomes void sky and BT will sue the back side off the FA and UEFA and possibly FIFA so they can pay the billions owed to sponsors so the league will continue when it is safe to do so. so Karen Brady can get read for relegation and the wrath of the Hammers fans who will I hope ask for her to sacked and kept out of football.




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31 Jul 2018 10:12:53
Do you not think that FSG would love to have a American playing for Liverpool what a opportunity for them and Pulisic and for Liverpool FC to sell the club to USA fans.




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16 May 2018 15:13:15
The Everton keeper was relegated with Sunderland but had been their best player in a very poor season he was making saves left right and center that got him his move to Everton Butland on the other hand is injury prone has had a poor season made many mistakes through stokes season looked poor against us at anfield so why would we buy him? We want a top class keeper who the outfield players no that on a break away they have the best behind them and I am sorry but Karius is not that keeper so we need a massive keeper signing top keepers equals points.





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28 Jul 2022 14:10:08
That is our problem the fat italian thinks he discovered how to beat us well teams have been putting ten behind the ball for last five seasons . Our problem is we have not got a plan how to combat it like last night it ends up with us flapping and missing chance after chance if you can't get around them then have a shot from distance like Stevie G did for years not rocket science.




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28 Jul 2022 14:05:27
Mr T i think we need to get shut before buying naby not good enough end of gomez showed last night not same player and jones he is not improving keeps turning it to player trying to get a curled shot off ball taken off him everytime i would have the ox in the team every time before jones.




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08 Jun 2022 18:44:33
why can't we find the young Fabinio, Henderson, Milly or Alonso or a new Stevie G other teams find them and we have to spend millions buying these sort of players . Is there something wrong with the way our young midfielders are being coached .
With no disrespect to Birmingham how can they scout the Bellingham's
Fulham the Elliot's ect were are we when these boys are being picked up?




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08 Jun 2022 18:33:54
Trent needs to learn not to ball watch if he can sort that then he is the best right back in world football. I know a lot of you will say that is rubbish but look back over his playing time in red shirt and you will understand were I am coming from. A big example is this years champions league game he was ball watching and forgot his winger

As for Trent in midfield I would love Jürgen to play him there in all friendly's and make an assessment on him he has the tools to play in that position.

By the way I am not having a dig at Trent he is a top top player who will captain LFC in future.




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06 Jun 2022 19:32:40
Every great team has a time when their top players get to an age that means it is good business to move them on to receive a fee. LFC did it on many occasion man united did it on many occasions Arsenal did it to and Man City will do it when their top players get to a certain age it is all part of football.

The problem is bringing in the right replacements that fit in to the team pattern, the clubs ethos, the other players, the managers ideas . All the superstar names being mentioned may not fill all of the above I have mentioned I have full confidence in Liverpool FC to bring in the staff needed as they did many times before.