11 Oct 2026 20:58:11
I really want Wirtz to work out, but it was laid bare today.
Play Dom in the 10.
11 Oct 2026 21:13:05
the 50/50 challenge when he got tipped up by Elliot Anderson was a great indication to me that he still hasn't mentally switched over to what's required in the prem. No, I don't mean he needs to go throwing himself into every blood curdling challenge.
Just that his approach to the challenge versus Anderson's approach pretty much summed it all up. Good effort with a ballerina touch. We need to find that guy his inner mongrel because he ain't going to ballerina his way to fulfilling his price tag
The problem is, it just may not be there.
{Ed666's Note - yes but Wirtz isn’t a dog like Anderson he’s a different profile and can’t do the things Anderson does. If your games not about bite how do you display that quality?
11 Oct 2026 22:01:48
Yeah I agree with that molby, wirtz has to come out of the team at the mnute in prem league games, he desperately disappointing. Maybe European games suit him alright but in prem league he looks to getting worse as time goes on. Hopefully grav getting back in2 swing of things now, looked like his old self today before ridiculous red card he got.
Macca playing better this season. put szobo in the 10, not the most creative of 10s but there a goal in him and he brings good power+ legs to the team.
11 Oct 2026 21:35:35
Ed, that is one of my criticisms of Wirtz. he needs to control the things he can control. As much as Anderson is a diff. player and the comparison is severel false, what @Faith said is somrthing Flo has to realise and work on. As in, he aggressiveness and decisiveness in challenges and decision-making. That has to come from him and only him.
{Ed666's Note - I just don’t think he has the DNA to do that mate. If he was Bundesliga Wirtz the player we bought we wouldn’t be asking him to get stuck in and I think it’s unfair for us to do that now. He just needs to just recapture his bundesliga form and life will be good.
11 Oct 2026 22:21:13
Judging a fish by how they climb trees there with that one.
11 Oct 2026 22:49:18
My one criticism of Wirtz is he looks a complete waste of money.
11 Oct 2026 23:04:25
triple6 - I know mate. that's why I qualified what I said by saying that I don't mean he has to go flying into challenges. That particular challenge just said to me that his mind isn't preparing his body for the physical battle.
I've posted about this a few weeks ago in saying that this may just simply come with time as he ages - say into his mid-20s when his brain matures.
So he may need this full season and then the benefit of a proper 2027 off-season with no major international tournament where he can, hopefully, work on his body.
He has to find it mate. I believe we are seeing the bundesliga version of him now. But this version of Flo is barely managing to get by until he makes that mental and physical switch. I'm prepared to be patient (barely lol) but we all know how football works.
11 Oct 2026 23:37:45
also triple6 - "If he was Bundesliga Wirtz the player we bought we wouldn't be asking him to get stuck in and I think it's unfair for us to do that now"
I really don't think we can afford to carry a player in that case mate.
{Ed666's Note - I agree with not being able to carry him. I’d give him a few more games and then bench him if he’s not producing. But I don’t think he’s ever gonna be a player that makes crunching tackles.
12 Oct 2026 00:01:43
So we're not waiting for Wirtz's brain to mature?
That's fair enough. I don't know why some fans spending their hard earned are so impatient.
12 Oct 2026 00:24:48
@ed666 then he's many 2.0.
12 Oct 2026 06:40:40
Ive passed this opinion before, Wirtz can't play in the midfield three. He didn't for Leverkusen and doesn't for Germany. He would have to play in a advanced part of the midfield or in a half space and part of the front three.
I don't think our manager will want to do either, so unfortunately, it looks like we need to sell him in January and use the money for a player that suits us better,
12 Oct 2026 10:19:01
I don't expect him to be Ince or Gerrard but not jumping out of anything resembling a tackle would be nice. Seriously the excuses have to stop. He has been a dreadful signing and the more I look at him I just thinks he's wishing"please, please somebody get me out of here".