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15 Apr 2024 10:23:29
Morning Eds
With the way the last few weeks have gone obviously the reverting back to the slow and very laboured build up hasn't helped, but do you think it has exposed that maybe some of the players are good with patches of excellent form, rather than top class players or do you think maybe it's just a little stale and a new manager would give us a fresh start?

Thinking really of the likes of Konate, Endo, Szobo, Diaz, Jones, Elliot, Gakpo mostly.
I think personally it's time to move Sapah on this summer, he has been unbelievable but we can't afford to let him go for free and I don't think it's plausible to give him a massive extension.

{Ed001's Note - this is on tactics and that is the issue.}


 

 

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15 Apr 2024
15 Apr 2024 09:49:21
Well that is certainly true Ed, we have bodies all around them but they aren’t trying as hard to block the shots.

Ron Keague

{Ed001's Note - that is a problem all over the pitch, the press is non-existent and no one is closing down and getting in people's faces. Most of the time the only one trying is Endo and it is easy to bypass one player. It is so sad to see the season petering out this way.}


 

 

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15 Apr 2024
15 Apr 2024 09:02:44
Good manager, good record, struggled at Arsenal.
I wouldn’t mind it.

Question I have is why did he struggle at Arsenal and is he happy working under Hughes and Edwards.

Whoever we get is giving up a decent amount of autonomy.

Ron Keague

{Ed001's Note - he always does well when there is no pressure to succeed and as soon as there is pressure he struggles.}


 

 

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15 Apr 2024
15 Apr 2024 09:00:50
I disagree with the quality of the chances.

Look at the goals we concede. They are not always clear 1-1 chances. There are a lot of crowded penalty areas (yesterday) .
I think of some of the Atalanta goals, some of the Man U goals.
How much easier does it get than 5 yards out with just the keeper in front of you?

I don’t need a striker who can score open goals, I expect them to be able to score other types of goals. Like the ones we concede.

Ron Keague

{Ed001's Note - but we do not have bodies in the way, everyone is just stood off, no one is closing down. Our opposition are throwing themselves into the challenge, getting their bodies in the way, rather than standing off and waiting.}


 

 

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15 Apr 2024
15 Apr 2024 07:39:44
At some point during the international break we decided to try and become Brighton.

Neil from Anfield Wrap asked why does it seem like we continuously use the first half as a fact finding mission. Are we not doing our opposition analysis anymore? Or are we being arrogant and choosing to start with a handicap?

Ed001, is right about the chance types for the forwards. Crowded boxes, scrambles or difficult angles.

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15 Apr 2024
15 Apr 2024 07:14:26
I'm with Ed001. I think Nunez has been incredibly unlucky to not score more than he has this season. Yes he 'smashes' the ball slot but most of the time in football those go in. No Nunez is not the problem. He's a 24 YO striker who has everything in his locker and will this year and ongoing be a 20 goal a season striker minimum. The tactics and lack of width when teams sit deep is what does us. So sick of watching us play short passes around the 30 years mark from oppos goals, all within the width of the 18 yard box. So easy to defend, press and counter against.
Klopp has been amazing but as I said 2 years ago the persistence of backing Peps style with this slow possession based inverted system is woeful. Feels like he has betrayed the original version of him to be frank. It's the right time to leave and let someone else (Amorim fingers crossed) have a crack.

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15 Apr 2024
15 Apr 2024 03:02:40
100% our biggest issue. Nunez is not the answer, I think he could work on the left wing if Diaz were to leave but he is no way a striker out and out.
We need an injury free forward that can take his chances when they are presented.
I like Osmihen but probably beyond our budget.
Isla is also an upgrade.

shughes55

{Ed001's Note - Osimhen misses as many as Nunez, so does Haaland. All strikers miss sitters, I can remember Rush kneeing one over from inside the 6 yard box with an open goal. That is not our biggest issue, it is the quality of chances we are creating that is the problem. Every single shot the box is full of opposition players, we no longer get in behind, we don't drag their defenders out of position, so they can get bodies in the way. While that happens, the chances of a shot finding the back of the net are massively reduced. How many 1-on-1s did we get against Palace? I think it was 1 if I remember correctly. And that fell for Jones. We are getting off lots of shots, but rarely are we getting open space to aim at.}


 

 

14 Apr 2024 16:44:19
Ed1.regardless of todays defeat. they way we go behind nearly every game , surely the backroom staff address it or do they just continue to think we can just turn things around . I know what I'm asking seems obvious but it happens all the time . makes me doubt that they actually consider sorting it.

{Ed001's Note - they have made it clear that they just think we should do plan A better.}


 

 

14 Apr 2024 11:10:20
Ed001 I would expect Kelleher leave in the summer think this run of games has shown he is to good to be a number 2. We should get good money for him to help the new manager bring in some players he wants. Do you know if Marcelo Pitaluga is ready to step up as our number 2.
Cheers Ed.

{Ed001's Note - as a number 2 I think so. Kelleher needs to go get regular first team football for his own sake. He is nowhere near good enough to challenge Alisson, so he would be better served moving on I think.}


14 Apr 2024 11:52:12
Such a shame for Kelleher, seems a really good keeper, but you can never have 2 amazing keepers and keep them both happy.
I guess you have to keep developing them and moving them on when they peak, shame as usually having a "normal" number 2 basically loses you games. We've been really lucky this year.


14 Apr 2024 11:59:23
That's the right call. Kelleher is rightfully No. 2 at LFC, but if he wants to start elsewhere then the club should facilitate that. He's not overtaking Alison. Not now and not in another 5 years.


14 Apr 2024 19:29:50
100% should be a buy back clause.


14 Apr 2024 21:20:51
Ed01, the fact that Ali came back today and played like he never left, should tell Kellerher and his reps that it is time to go and gt a career of his own. I mean, Ali can prolly roll out of bed and go drop a masterclass in goal, he makes it look that easy.


 

 

14 Apr 2024 11:10:20
Ed001 I would expect Kelleher leave in the summer think this run of games has shown he is to good to be a number 2. We should get good money for him to help the new manager bring in some players he wants. Do you know if Marcelo Pitaluga is ready to step up as our number 2.
Cheers Ed.

{Ed001's Note - as a number 2 I think so. Kelleher needs to go get regular first team football for his own sake. He is nowhere near good enough to challenge Alisson, so he would be better served moving on I think.}


14 Apr 2024 11:52:12
Such a shame for Kelleher, seems a really good keeper, but you can never have 2 amazing keepers and keep them both happy.
I guess you have to keep developing them and moving them on when they peak, shame as usually having a "normal" number 2 basically loses you games. We've been really lucky this year.


14 Apr 2024 11:59:23
That's the right call. Kelleher is rightfully No. 2 at LFC, but if he wants to start elsewhere then the club should facilitate that. He's not overtaking Alison. Not now and not in another 5 years.


14 Apr 2024 19:29:50
100% should be a buy back clause.


14 Apr 2024 21:20:51
Ed01, the fact that Ali came back today and played like he never left, should tell Kellerher and his reps that it is time to go and gt a career of his own. I mean, Ali can prolly roll out of bed and go drop a masterclass in goal, he makes it look that easy.


 

 

13 Apr 2024 12:15:53
Hi Ed001. Hope all’s well with you. Assuming Amorin comes and assuming he plays 3-4-3, how do you see Trent and Bradley playing at the same time? I know how you rate Bradley but I’d reckon one of them would provide the width on the right hand side in midfield leaving one of them out. And a bit random maybe, but could you see Trent playing up front on the right? It reduces his passing range but few better than him crossing.

{Ed001's Note - if both play at the same time, it will most likely mean Trent is in midfield, I defo don't see him playing as a forward, Amorim doesn't really play them wide. The wing-backs provide most of the width in his system from what I have seen.}


 

 

13 Apr 2024 12:15:53
Hi Ed001. Hope all’s well with you. Assuming Amorin comes and assuming he plays 3-4-3, how do you see Trent and Bradley playing at the same time? I know how you rate Bradley but I’d reckon one of them would provide the width on the right hand side in midfield leaving one of them out. And a bit random maybe, but could you see Trent playing up front on the right? It reduces his passing range but few better than him crossing.

{Ed001's Note - if both play at the same time, it will most likely mean Trent is in midfield, I defo don't see him playing as a forward, Amorim doesn't really play them wide. The wing-backs provide most of the width in his system from what I have seen.}


 

 

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13 Apr 2024
13 Apr 2024 04:07:43
Woy was grandfathering us, wasn’t he?
But yea, they both are similar in more ways than 1.

sgynwa

{Ed001's Note - Gasperini is not far off the same age as Hodgson. He has some very old fashioned views that would not be accepted in England, but you can get away with being a bigot in Italy. That is why he has been considered but never chosen by so many English clubs over the years. He makes comments that he shouldn't.}


 

 

12 Apr 2024 17:23:04
Ed1 if Amron does come in what improvements do you think he could bring? Slower attacks meaning more chance of converting? No more inverted full backs? Playing with width?

I love Klopp and always will but it’s time to look to what happens next.

{Ed001's Note - he definitely plays with more width from the wing-backs. But is that the way he wants to play or the way he plays because of the squad he has? If he stays playing the way he does at Sporting, it will be a similar high octane press but rather than inverting a full-back to dominate the midfield, a centre-back steps forward into midfield to press high.}


12 Apr 2024 17:49:12
Hasn’t he denied any contact with Liverpool this week.


12 Apr 2024 20:06:09
JK, hopefully it's a Bill Clinton/ Lewinsky style denial.


12 Apr 2024 22:53:55
Wouldn't you expect him to deny it jk when they're on the verge of a double?


12 Apr 2024 23:11:57
Gmil I hope so as the options look quite slim pickings at the mo.

But wouldn’t it also mean Alonso is still on the table as he’s denied it and he is in similar circumstances.

Only difference is the media who are constantly criticised of knowing nothing and click baiting are reporting Alonso is off so are they believable for this.


13 Apr 2024 00:39:05
classy move from amorim to try and quieten the noise.
I mean he still have quite an important job to do right now.


13 Apr 2024 03:58:35
Stuie. R u saying there has been RELATIONS between lgc and amorion.? ?.


13 Apr 2024 09:07:36
He just said he hasn't met with anyone from Liverpool which is true apparently Liverpool have just spoken to his agent where as alonso has said he is staying where he is.


13 Apr 2024 09:51:06
Imagine if he doesn't come to us? then what? god help us if that's the case. Bad timing because as things stand there's not a lot of available good managers. I believe he will come but at the same time I believed Alonso would.


13 Apr 2024 10:10:10
Ed01, you could have a point regarding whether whether Amorim plays a back 3 more due to the players he has rather than due to his own preference. I say this cos Sebastian Coates is as we knew from his time at LFC or in the PL (with Sunderland) is as slow as a snail hence, prolly would get exposed in the 4 so he like many CB's who lack pace, are put in a back 3 to play the sweeper role so as not to leave him exposed out wide or in the middle in space.


13 Apr 2024 10:23:23
Same here Salah mate. Just crossing my fingers, toes and anything else that can be crossed that we secure Amorim. Because both him and Alonso are the standout candidates. But If Amorim who I’m completely sold on doesn’t come, then we are in a difficult position on the managerial front. Having said that, I believe he is coming and if reports are to be believed, he was personally Edward’s first choice. If that’s the case, Edwards will do everything in his power to get it done.


13 Apr 2024 12:53:54
I trust Edwards. We’re in good hands with him.


13 Apr 2024 13:31:29
Hopefully Gmil.

Apart from Amorim there’s no other real stand out options.

If we end up with Ange or Nagelsman then YouTube highlights streaming is going to take a massive hit.


13 Apr 2024 13:39:11
Agreed Alonso, I mean a small part of me still thinks it might be Alonso incoming but I know it's wishful thinking. a lot of IDs and buts but yeah we need Amorin in, funny thing is mate, I don't even know much about him but gone on what others have said on here so I'll trust that lol. Last thing we need is a de Zerbi kind of manager. As I said earlier, we're all out of options.


14 Apr 2024 08:51:15
I remember Rafa was an unexpected but welcome boy from the blue.

I wouldn’t mind something like that.


 

 

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12 Apr 2024
12 Apr 2024 14:28:04
Agree fully about the width statement, Ed001. Their 3rd goal last night was totally avoidable. If Gomez hadn't been tucked in midfield behind their press, Szoboszlai would've had a simple pass out to the right back position. Instead, he delayed waiting for Gomez to drop back into space and ended up getting caught on the ball.

It's costing us goals at both ends of the pitch.

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - it's frustrating because it has been obvious all season.}


 

 

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12 Apr 2024
12 Apr 2024 14:28:04
Agree fully about the width statement, Ed001. Their 3rd goal last night was totally avoidable. If Gomez hadn't been tucked in midfield behind their press, Szoboszlai would've had a simple pass out to the right back position. Instead, he delayed waiting for Gomez to drop back into space and ended up getting caught on the ball.

It's costing us goals at both ends of the pitch.

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - it's frustrating because it has been obvious all season.}


 

 

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12 Apr 2024
12 Apr 2024 14:03:21
And to add to that Ed, we need to start whipping crosses in again from our FB’s. We have a n aerially deadly CF in Darwin on our hands and we seem to never cross the ball enuff which is weird cos when we had the 3 amigos, Robbo, Trent and Hendo didn’t hesitate to whip balls in. We have Darwin. Use him.

OliRed

{Ed001's Note - Robbo still does it, but he has been injured. Elliott gets too narrow before putting balls in, which means it is difficult to put pace on them or they just go straight out of play.}


 

 

12 Apr 2024 13:52:41
Thanks for the reply ed001.ye could you imagine the boost that line up would have giving the atalanta players beforehand. im hoping this result is the kick up the arse they need for the run in. has to be a reaction this weekend or else wel only have the league Cup for klopps final season
On another note ed001 what do you make of Virg's captaincy. i heard him on a podcast recently describe himself as very vocal and maybe he is and I just haven't noticed.

{Ed001's Note - exactly, Atalanta must have been delighted to see the team sheet.

I think Virgil has shown a massive improvement due to getting the armband. He has grown as a player and has been very vocal, he has been helping the youngsters a lot by all accounts.}


12 Apr 2024 23:06:04
Really poor team selection and tactics last night, Gomez being iinverted wasn't there available for a simple pass on the right side which gave us lots of problems and made it harder to bring the ball out been been plus the third goal could have been avoided if a proper right back had been there.


13 Apr 2024 20:41:23
Anyone else feel Atalanta are a poor team? I didn’t rate any of their players as top class! I don’t buy into the pundits “Atalanta did an absolute job on Liverpool” tripe. I saw a bang average team play a good team that were awful. A team that made mistake after mistake and played terrible. I’m absolutely confident If we play well in the second leg we’ll go through. Atalanta won’t be able to come with us if we turn up. Just hoping this is the final kick in the ass we need to wake up, front up and take some individual responsibility.


 

 

12 Apr 2024 13:52:41
Thanks for the reply ed001.ye could you imagine the boost that line up would have giving the atalanta players beforehand. im hoping this result is the kick up the arse they need for the run in. has to be a reaction this weekend or else wel only have the league Cup for klopps final season
On another note ed001 what do you make of Virg's captaincy. i heard him on a podcast recently describe himself as very vocal and maybe he is and I just haven't noticed.

{Ed001's Note - exactly, Atalanta must have been delighted to see the team sheet.

I think Virgil has shown a massive improvement due to getting the armband. He has grown as a player and has been very vocal, he has been helping the youngsters a lot by all accounts.}


12 Apr 2024 23:06:04
Really poor team selection and tactics last night, Gomez being iinverted wasn't there available for a simple pass on the right side which gave us lots of problems and made it harder to bring the ball out been been plus the third goal could have been avoided if a proper right back had been there.


13 Apr 2024 20:41:23
Anyone else feel Atalanta are a poor team? I didn’t rate any of their players as top class! I don’t buy into the pundits “Atalanta did an absolute job on Liverpool” tripe. I saw a bang average team play a good team that were awful. A team that made mistake after mistake and played terrible. I’m absolutely confident If we play well in the second leg we’ll go through. Atalanta won’t be able to come with us if we turn up. Just hoping this is the final kick in the ass we need to wake up, front up and take some individual responsibility.


 

 

12 Apr 2024 13:27:17
Hi eds1
In your opinion how do we get back to winning ways asap. How does Klopp turns this round so we don’t go out with a whimper because this has to be done quick!
Thanks in advance.

{Ed001's Note - get the selection right, stop rotating unless absolutely necessary and drop the inverted full-back to bring back width. That is the key thing, we need some width.}


12 Apr 2024 14:03:21
And to add to that Ed, we need to start whipping crosses in again from our FB’s. We have a n aerially deadly CF in Darwin on our hands and we seem to never cross the ball enuff which is weird cos when we had the 3 amigos, Robbo, Trent and Hendo didn’t hesitate to whip balls in. We have Darwin. Use him.

{Ed001's Note - Robbo still does it, but he has been injured. Elliott gets too narrow before putting balls in, which means it is difficult to put pace on them or they just go straight out of play.}


12 Apr 2024 14:28:04
Agree fully about the width statement, Ed001. Their 3rd goal last night was totally avoidable. If Gomez hadn't been tucked in midfield behind their press, Szoboszlai would've had a simple pass out to the right back position. Instead, he delayed waiting for Gomez to drop back into space and ended up getting caught on the ball.

It's costing us goals at both ends of the pitch.

{Ed001's Note - it's frustrating because it has been obvious all season.}


12 Apr 2024 15:16:48
It's almost like we go narrow because we are petrified of being counterattacked or counterpresses being broken.


12 Apr 2024 16:43:53
The inverted fullback nonsense is so stupid. Pep tried it for one season and jumped off. He won the treble using it but with a very different set of players.

For one, Haaland playing as a focal point of the attack, a striker whose sole purpose is scoring goals, as opposed to Nunez who has a much better all round game. Secondly, the defenders he used were 4 actual centre backs, far more sturdy than anything we have used in the last 18 months. City were far better using this than we have been in the entire year we have persisted with it. They were very solid at the back and controlled games well. They didn't have players of the quality of Alisson, van Dijk or Trent while playing it either. Yet we still persist with this flawed idea that they jibbed a long time ago, not even coming close to achieving the control or solidity that it was intended for.

I think the persistence with the inverted fullback over the past 18 months feels like another symptom of a manager that is beginning to lose his edge when it comes to tactics and long term planning.


12 Apr 2024 18:12:15
AW, I was saying it at the time earlier in the season that this system is fundamentally flawed and mainly does not work if you are playing vs a narrow block like Atalanta did BUT I got told to keep it moving cos we were top and that how dare I question Klopp like you know, the same thing these same people are doing now.

Now to be fair, some tweaks were made to make us more secure BUT now, we seemingly are inverting just for the sake of it rather than it fulfilling an actual purpose to improve us, which it didn’t last night. In fact, it was the direct opposite. Like I have said, we need width from our fullbacks and we need to go back to them whipping balls in to serve the aerial danger that Darwin possesses. We got to switch it up a bit.


12 Apr 2024 22:21:32
In todays episode of it never actually happened

got told to keep it moving cos we were top and that how dare I question Klopp like you know, the same thing these same people are doing now.

If anyone criticises Klopp Oli your go to response is stop crying because the club aren’t doing what you want them to do.

Well guess what.


13 Apr 2024 10:29:43
"If anyone criticises Klopp Oli your go to response is stop crying because the club aren’t doing what you want them to do. "

So you are telling everyone on the internet that you literally cannot tell the difference in context btw. crticizing/ challenging Klopp on his tactics and criticizing the club for decisions being made off the pitch that have nothing to do with on-pitch tactics?

Not surprised tho, as it is coming from someone who went to the gound to watch the Sheff. Utd game YET had NO idea Endo was not playing until he was corrected on this forum. Only heaven knows what what you are seeing when you go to the ground to watch games at this point if you can't tell who is playing and who isn't. Keep the jokes coming. Or whatever it is you think are actual jokes.


13 Apr 2024 12:36:18
Nice one Woli ?.


13 Apr 2024 13:57:13
AW great post mate but in man u two games we were far the better side the finishing was what let us down the Atalanta game was flat from start to finish the crowd, team selection, tatics but at 0-3 down we had four or five chances to score with out the chances in whole match so i would say the match is not over until the fat lady sings. Point also in last several seasons we have had a bad period around xmas and January were we have drop points we seem to be having that bad period now but i am sure the manager, players, coaches and fans of Liverpool fc will turn it around YNWA.


 

 

12 Apr 2024 13:21:59
ED1. looking at last the performances in last few games I have following comments and queries for you

1. How is it that our defense is so open. Only year I remember our defense was perfect was the year we won the league. In last few years defense has been really poor and there seems to be ne effort in training to correct this thing. Is it lack of focus towards defense or plainly down to players. As they say defense win you cups and it explains why we won just 1 league in these many years.

2. In past decade I have not seen a top team which is so poor in finishing. I don't have the data but I can safely assume Liverpool might be in top 3 in terms of shot but bottom in terms of conversion. Again is it down to lack of training or simply down to out offensive players.

3. Lastly on using data while selecting players. While I support that approach but I truly believe selection of players should not be based on this approach singularly. It looks are we are selecting players who have good all round game but they are not masters of their trades. Our offensive players are excellent when measured in terms of all round qualities but when it comes to finishing they might not be in top 5 players in the league (when measured in terms of goal conversion) .

Happy to hear your views and happy to be corrected.

Praveen.

{Ed001's Note - 1. I think the constant rotation of centre-backs is a big part of the problem but added to that is that we play a high risk game of leaving defenders one on one with attackers. That allows us to put more pressure on the opposition higher up the pitch. This season in particular, and to a smaller degree last season, we have also suffered due to our tactical approach meaning the full-backs are not pushing back the opposing widemen as they are drifting inside so much.

2. I don't know, if you actually watch other teams, they all seem to miss a lot of chances, I think the problem is the way we play. We have no width so the opposition can crowd their own box and stay compact, so we are working in tight spaces and snatching at chances. No one is being dragged out to deal with our wide players, so it allows them to keep everyone in the way.

3. Players are also scouted.}


12 Apr 2024 14:07:18
We are also guilty of “overplaying” as in, trying to be too intricate in the final stages which leads to poor decisions and poor execution being made in the final third.

We got to go back to being a bit more direct and have our FB’s start whipping crosses in again as we hit Darwin and Diaz who are lethal in the air. The way we play now dies nor allow for this to happen so their quality in the air is being wasted, imo.


12 Apr 2024 14:29:46
Reading the above, I accept that we have issues, but for gawd sake, we are top of the league. If you didn't understand football and you read through the posts and Ed's replies you would think we were about to get relegated. Like I say, there are things that need fixing and last night was as poor as I've seen us for a long, long time and I had the misfortune of being there, but things aren't beyond fixing.


12 Apr 2024 16:12:13
Rome1977!, I propose you read this thread a second (or even third read, if required) cos NOT single soul so far has acted or reacted the way you are describing in your post.


12 Apr 2024 16:52:40
OliRed, I think you may be right, mate. I suppose I was reacting to other posts and used this thread as a means of replying. I read the chat on the way back from the game, last night, and youd have thought we had been relegated to the Conference. There are also other negative posts, which people are entitled to. But, like I say, we are still top and whatever is wrong can, and I'm sure will, be fixed.


12 Apr 2024 18:17:07
Ah okay then, Rome. I see it what you’re saying now. For sure, people are allowed to be negative after arguably the worst perf since the drubbing at Snfurkd by RM last season and at least on that one, we were crap all of last season so there’s a valid reason.

Last night, we shipped the bed and nobody knows why Klopp made the lineup he made and the tactics he deployed and that’s even more annoying. As for the “Throw the baby with the bath water out” brigade, i stopped caring about such rhetoric years ago.


 

 

 
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