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30 Jan 2024 09:19:44
ed2 - technical question for you. are the rules for clubs approaching another club's manager whist under contract the same as for approaching players?


{Ed002's Note - Yes - you can speak to the agent to gauge interest but you cannot speak directly with the manager without the permission of his club.}

1.) 30 Jan 2024 12:58:35
Are you worried about Klopp tapping up his replacement, Faith? ?.

2.) 30 Jan 2024 19:19:30
Ed002 is that rule not a bit silly considering some agents would push players or managers into making certain decisions?

Are the agents obliged by any rule to inform the club that another club is talking to them about their client or what way does that side work?

{Ed002's Note - Agents will inform clubs if the potential new buyer wants further information. The rules are clear.}



27 Jan 2024 13:22:27
Post-reflective thought - we’re still in the window. Any chance this announcement is a smokescreen for a big signing before the window shuts? Mbappe perhaps?


{Ed002's Note - Almost certainly.}

1.) 27 Jan 2024 14:03:59
Player manager.

2.) 27 Jan 2024 14:49:21
Mbappe isn’t going to leave his position of sporting director at PSG to be player manager here.

3.) 27 Jan 2024 15:00:39
Maybe we should offer hin sporting Director + player manager+ owner?.

4.) 27 Jan 2024 22:26:40
I think if you offer him being rush goalie then he will come!

5.) 28 Jan 2024 20:33:19
The centre back from Crystal Palace, this window, or the summer window, remember this .

6.) 28 Jan 2024 21:28:32
Can’t wait to see Rob Holding sign Kop that.

7.) 29 Jan 2024 15:02:39
kit man maybe.



04 Feb 2022 19:52:25
Ed2 - Klopp's most recent presser he was asked about Fabio Carvalho and whether we'd go back for him. Part of Klopp's response was that obviously we are still interested, we'd be crazy not to. Just a couplee questions to understand - Are klopp's comments breaking some kind of tampering rule? And if so, what is about that comment that is considered a bad thing enough to have a rule against

I like that he talked relatively freely but just wondered what the implications are. Ta.


{Ed002's Note - No, not at all. Whether or not Liverpool will look to low ball Fulham on a pre-agreement of some type would be the concern as Liverpool cannot speak directly with the player - whilst other clubs can speak to him and can sign a binding pre-agreement with the player.}

1.) 04 Feb 2022 22:16:04
Ed002 I don’t know why we don’t just offer the fee we did on Monday Fulham accepted it then I don’t think they would turn it down because he could leave for a lot less abroad. Or do you feel Liverpool feel they don’t need to offer as much now they did have talks with him Monday did they not maybe with it going down to the wire on Monday he has said he still wants to come in the summer.

{Ed002's Note - That is not how Liverpool traditionally do business.}

2.) 05 Feb 2022 07:25:44
ed in theory, can Liverpool and fulham have a pre-agreement but then Fabio agree with a club abroad?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

3.) 05 Feb 2022 00:45:55
Ed002 regarding this Liverpool can speak to the players agent and make an agreement with them that the agent can agree with the player am I right? So is it not basically the same thing mate? Watched a thing between carra and nev and nev was told to speak with stevie at international duties so realistically if this all happens what is wrong with any other way of doing it?

{Ed002's Note - If it is the same thing then it is of course illegal and tapping up (yet again).}

4.) 05 Feb 2022 13:26:13
Pretty obvious he'll be signing on in the summer! don't be minding all the media clickbait about him and dis and dat club. Lfc are building a really exciting team of the future.

5.) 05 Feb 2022 13:33:18
Don't know what's hard to understand for some LFC fans and keep on repeating same stuff.

It's nothing to do with Fulham now, it's all in Fabio's hand if he wants to come here then he will be here it's simple as that. Signing pre contract with other clubs again it's nothing to do with Fulham it's all in Fabio's hand where he wants to go. LFC can't talk to him directly but can talk to he's agent as much as they want including the financial terms etc.

6.) 05 Feb 2022 16:14:50
carvalho will sign for dortmund.

{Ed077's Note - is that a prediction or a spoiler😁

7.) 05 Feb 2022 18:31:20
Given that he knows Liverpool want him and has previously agreed terms, for him to completely change plans and go to another side would be strange. If he did, it would be for money or may he game time but everything you read about Fabio suggests he isn't that type of person.

8.) 06 Feb 2022 03:01:00
Thanks for that edkopforever. Your knowledge is really helpful.

9.) 06 Feb 2022 10:52:42
Nice one kop. Very well explained brother.

10.) 06 Feb 2022 18:14:34
Every player will be 'tapped' up in this case. I bet most players, even in jest will say 'oh come and join us'.
I expect the clubs would not expect to ask players to do so as then yes that becomes an illegal approach. But I guess most players will know from rumours, media what players are linked.

11.) 08 Feb 2022 00:52:36
Tapping up is not illegal. Can you imagine the cells at Strangeways full of old football managers in orange tracksuits? ‘What you in for Harry? ’ ‘I spoke to Peter Odemwingie on WhatsApp and offered him 2 steak bakes and a vegan sausage roll if he signed for us. When he turned up Greggs was shut so I hid under my desk until the police arrived and arrested me for the most heinous of crimes. Tapping up’.



25 Apr 2021 00:39:50
Hi Ed2 - are you able to explain what Perez means by the ESL saving football. Was there a strategy plan for the ESL to support clubs outside the 12?


{Ed002's Note - What he means, as I have explained repeatedly over many years, is that football needs to decide what sort of restructuring is required. Putting aside any "breakaway" or counter proposal, my fears have always been the vast number of professional clubs there are in England well below the Premier League. I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. Previously I have said that the eventual "breakaway pan-European league" would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Now we have a situation that will change the financial paradigm and may make clubs and authorities look at the situation with lower tier sides regardless.

Financially I do not see that so many professional sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting their finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially) or even separation from the Premier League and Championship.

Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again) like Bury. Recently Hartlepool has been struggling - again it needs to adapt. The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done. These are all proud clubs with a history.

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the supporters of certain clubs like it or not. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, St James Park, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat., perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so the Liverpool and Everton supporters can go and watch them?

This will be a case of getting with the game. I will try to refer to this as the "Post Apocalyptic Zombie Scenario" from now on.}

1.) 25 Apr 2021 09:05:23
Pint of wallop absolutely love that Ed you’d want to trade mark that it’s brilliant my friend!
1/ pint of wallop
2/ RTFP.

2.) 25 Apr 2021 09:28:27
Classic ed002 response so clinical and fascinating to read yet with a hint of comedy to make us chuckle
Up the pool.

3.) 25 Apr 2021 09:48:22
If there is little to no support for such restructuring from fans then can is realistically move forward and be a success? In the UK were already in another economic slide due to C.V. and being compounded further by Brexit, I don’t think the sort of money required to follow ones team with the structure you’re suggesting is there for most. Now if it was 90% sponsors/ affiliates/ etc attending I could well imagine that but it is an incredibly dystopian, ugly face of what football could be. I understand it is a business now but there are still huge swathes of fans who are very attached to their clubs, not to mention political considerations which may come into play (like involvement of national governments) if the uproar is significant enough. I would be surprised if such proposals and restructuring went ahead as, though there are wealthy individuals in favor of such things, there is little of any support from fans - I’m not sure I’ve heard much from anyone in favor, the closest I’ve heard is ‘we should join so we don’t get left behind’ but even those sentiments are rare.

I know your understanding of the game, and the ins and outs behind closed doors, are far superior to mine, but in this instance Ed I truly hope your predictions/ expectations are wrong.

All the best Ed, also thanks for the time and effort you spend giving us your knowledge, there has been a lot of talk and discussion recently and your insights are greatly appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with COVID-19 nor BREXIT. These proposals have been around since long before both. Whether the fans like it or not, more clubs will go out of business like Bury if nothing is done.}

4.) 25 Apr 2021 09:51:10
I know you are correct Ed and football must change. But what trophies will the elite sides play for? IMO after a couple of years of watching the same sides play each other the atmosphere will die. I might move more and more corporate but it will become totally boring.

{Ed002's Note - The "elite" group of clubs includes 21 sides so it won't be the same sides every week.}

5.) 25 Apr 2021 10:51:32
I’m inclined to agree with you Ed002 on this, I can see the benefits and disadvantages on both sides .
I don’t necessarily want it to happen but I’d rather Liverpool were in than out if it does.

6.) 25 Apr 2021 11:59:57
I don’t doubt a word of what ed2 says but it is heartbreaking to read. It seems as though the game has to be restructured because of the greed at the very top of the pyramid and I include UEFA and FIFA in that. Perez alluded to the fact that the big clubs are struggling financially but what I don’t understand is why they won’t just face the exact same fate in say another 20years, as surely all that will happen by generating more money is the players, agents, hangers on etc will all just demand more again and the same problems exists just with higher sums involved. That doesn’t seem to answer to the problem to me, just kicking the problem down the line to the detriment of the sport its self?

{Ed002's Note - Football has to naturally evolve, as it did with the Premier Leagues and Champions League.}

7.) 25 Apr 2021 13:29:39
And who exactly can afford milan on a Wednesday with Barcelona away on Saturday week in week out. It won't be long until it only home fans ie NFL.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect you don't understand the plan.}

8.) 25 Apr 2021 14:52:39
Thanks ed, regards your comment -

"I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA"

You've also. mentioned that the key difference between ESL and the elite 22 clubs is that ESL hasn't worked with UEFA. Can I assume then that if UEFA are at the table with the elite clubs, that they have a sense of inevitability that their time will be coming to an over the next decade? I just wonder what the purpose. of these clubs negotiating ei UEFA is if the end game is breaking them up.

{Ed002's Note - I think that is a reasonably fair description. UEFA coming to the table is with the obejective of being in control, or at the very least maintaining their position as the controlling body. But changes need to be made and this recent attempt falls far short of expectations and has dome more harm than good.}

9.) 25 Apr 2021 14:54:09
Also ed2, reminded myself to tell you this - I posted your detailed post about ESL to a fan page in NZ. One member replied back saying he went to Anfield regularly 40 years ago and never went cloth-capped. Lol I don't know what this means but thought I'd pass it on :p.

{Ed002's Note - It means he probably has loads of illegitimate if he failed to take protection.}

10.) 25 Apr 2021 16:51:47
I’ll be honest Ed. I’ve got no time for a pint of lukewarm wallop or whatever vile brown booze the campaign for real ale prefer for that matter, boring bearded trainspotters that they are. So I’m all for weekend trips to Bavaria, Turin, Milan, Budapest, Bruges, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Prague, Paris, Lyon, Milan, Rome, Madrid, etc when it eventually happens. Just needs to be done better than this last laughable effort.

11.) 25 Apr 2021 20:43:47
Newsflash! Fans will not put up with what Ed002 is talking about. We have just witnessed that. So let’s put that to bed.
I’m sure Eds 02 information is correct however that doesn’t mean it will happen. How can it? If there is some sort of European elite/ super / pan / bull league then fans will be marginalised or grouped into the few that can afford and the few that cannot.

Thanks for your very elitist view of the working class game Ed’s but your comments are out of of touch. The working class has evolved and just because we don’t wear cloth caps and drink a pint of wallop doesn’t mean that we don’t work for the week then walk to the game and have a pint on the way. This happens all over the country at every club week in week out.
The event this week prove your view of the fans the game are way off the mark.
Despite the best efforts of money and greed football remains the people game. Without the people there is no product no game.
So thank you sir but I think you need to re examine your theory.

{Ed002's Note - So what has happened to disprove what I have said?}

12.) 26 Apr 2021 04:08:55
I started going to matches in around 1959. The European Super League has been kicking around the boardroom since the mid-1960s.

In the time I’ve been a fan, society has changed enormously. If you look at what has happened with other social organisations, such as social clubs and hobby clubs and churches they’ve had to adapt or go bust. All organisations have followed similar paths. We no longer tolerate sleepy little organisations that scrape by on charity or luck – everything is properly commercialised. The pattern repeats all over society… to simplify it, if a club needs 100 active members to be viable, two clubs with 80 members will be forced to merge – but the new organisation won’t have 160 members because a significant number won’t follow the new organisation. In essence the choices diminish at the same time as tickets/ membership gets dearer.
The football business model is entirely different, but the outcomes are similar.
When we were forced to go all seater, the days of wandering up every other Saturday and paying three bob to see a match (15p for you youngsters) went for ever. Instead of a damp step, there was a plastic seat and instead of pence it became pounds to use that same space. Last time I went to a game it cost best part of £30 to sit where the boys pen used to be and I used to pay 9d (4.5p) to watch from there.
The football team I went as a lad to see and support became a real force – then it became a brand – then became an International big deal brand; And although my support is unquestionable and always will be – it’s hard to find much “Liverpool” about Liverpool FC
Instead of local Dad and Lads being the main fan base, it’s now the clubs international fan base that the clubs serve. The population churn under Mrs T resulted in people going where the jobs were. So now there are more of us supporters that live outside the city than are in the city.

The international fan base for teams like Liverpool and Man Utd dwarfs the UK based fan numbers and ultimately are more important financially to the clubs.
I’m priced out. I can’t afford to go to games now, but there are so many people to take my place. People who can afford to buy the expensive corporate hospitality deals, Fans have moaned about the day-trippers to Anfield and Old Trafford for decades, but that is a huge income stream – and the “Anfield Experience” fan is probably the future.
If anyone thinks that the movers and shakers of football MUST take notice of fans wishes, you are sadly mistaken. This year’s Training Ground Premiership shows that they can to a bigger degree than you’d think get by without the diehard match going fans.
Football is a business; the Americans consider them franchises and milk them for everything they can. And the thing that not many people have noticed is that the franchise is for a competitor’s place in a League, NOT for a team from a specific town or city. If the owners consider that there is some strategic advantage in moving the franchise to another city – They will. It’s been done several times in the USA and although the financial set-up was different, Wimbledon moved to become MK Dons.

Fan ownership is an attractive option, but how would that happen? And why? Some of us considered this when Hicks and Gillette were the owners. We couldn’t see how it could be done mostly because a lot of people would not be able to afford to buy a share.
Short of some sort of government sponsored compulsory purchase, how are the fans going to get control?
Wimbledon fans did it, reclaimed their club and got it climbing the pyramid. United of Manchester and AFC Liverpool are promising start-ups and probably the only way that fans could control their hometown club – but that will take decades….

13.) 26 Apr 2021 11:36:44
The world categorically said no to a super league through protests, governments and media outlets. Within 48 hours the computation was announced and retracted.

Surely the only feasible conclusion is that this (or anything like it) will not happen as a project.

Football as a whole may need to change and adapt but not like this. The answer will and should never be that the smaller clubs become even more obsolete tim they already are and richer clubs should get richer. That would be just be rubbish. A decision based on greed.
If it is to be shaken up it should be to keep as many clubs involved as possible. A bottom up approach. Because you know what. It means something to communities not 50 years ago. Now. It’s something that gives people an identity a focus. Something to bloody do!

14.) 26 Apr 2021 12:57:28
In my opinion the only reason the super league isn’t going through is because the clubs decided that the immediate consequences were worse than the potential gains they intended to make. Ed talks of a completely different culture to where we are today. He talks of a time when people hop around the continent watching their team week in week out this time is not aimed at us. The owners aren’t interested in the race to the bottom that the current set of fans demand. They will alienate and push and through the passage of time there will be less and less of the previous generation of fan until all that it left are the ones that can afford what they want to sell us. They will break away they will not care about being banned from the premier league they will create something that they want and they have learned the cards that uefa and fifa and the fa and the government hold. They know now that they will fight it and what means they will use to fight it. Once the clubs spoken about join the super league the people that stay will be the ones you can go and support if you want to see the lads with a pint of wallop the team name might be Merseyside reds or tranmere but that’s what will be left for you if you do not stick with what’s on offer from lfc. The owners will not care. The protests won’t matter. Being kicked out the premier league won’t matter. No traditional fans in the stadium won’t matter. It will be a different sport but the old one will be available to you in the form of whatever is left behind and picking a club from that.

15.) 26 Apr 2021 13:46:04
How can any of your post hold any weight when we have just seen a prime minister, managers and players, fans and pundits all reject it. You have clearly learned nothing from the past week. Club owners don’t get to decide the fate of football and there is no appetite for an elite European league. Why? Because most fans cannot afford the money or the time to go trudging around Europe on a weekly basis!
How are you still convinced football will go this way. The question is been emphatically answered with a resounding NO! Up the pint of wallop!

16.) 27 Apr 2021 00:45:25
The point is that there is more than enough money in football for everyone to have a space at the table. The fact that the few don't want to share with the many is a very old story that continues to this day.

Ed.002, everything you say has a good chance of coming true, I don't doubt it. The problem is, the way you present it is as if there is not enough to go around. Suggesting that there is no way way half of the clubs in the UK can survive. They could if we shared more. You are at times brutally honest about us fans, how about that same acerbic withering wit of yours being directed at this. They (those at the top table, boardrooms, Uefa, FIFA, Elite, etc. ) are in it for themselves. Not the development of football.

As I say, I don't doubt what you say. I appreciate the Information. I do think you are coming at this from a certain angle though. Thank you.

17.) 27 Apr 2021 08:27:55
Redman - your lack of vision is a little embarrassing here man. All that happened is that they learned. They've learned that they won't be allowed to partially break away so they need to be prepared with a full new league. They've learned that they need to get major broadcasters signed up before announcing to temper the barrage of criticism. They've learned that they need to have a more polished proposal locked down. Maybe that waiting until uefa piss everyone off first before announcing anything. They will do it again, and again and again if need be until eventually the backlash just isn't there.

18.) 27 Apr 2021 15:17:01
The ESL will come. It is only a matter of when not if. The maths say so. Currently LFC and others can expect about £250m to £300m for winning the EPL and the champions league for TV companies.
We have depending on who you ask somewhere between 100million and 600 million fans worldwide. Similar figures are estimated for Utd Barca, Real Madrid, and most of the other dirty dozen clubs. On that basis LFC v Man U could attract easily 500million tv fans worldwide. At £10 per viewer via pay per view this would bring in £5 billion pounds for one game. This is what will happen in the future and why none of the greedy owners will sell at the moment
I also believe quite frighteningly that if too much pressure is brought to hear to stop it, the owners will just move the club's to places which will accept it. LFC to Boston, Utd to Tampa Bay Arsenal to L. A. for example.

{Ed001's Note - they won't be moved any time soon, that is not going to happen.}

19.) 27 Apr 2021 21:27:03
Hjikle the only lack of vision or grasp of reality was that of Perez and the other snakes. They embarrassed themselves in front of a world audience.
I think what Perez and maybe you possibly Ed’s 02 fail to grasp is that football does in fact have a soul. it belongs to the fans.
Ed2 jokes (I hope ) about the good old days. They still exists in an evolved modern day form. This is the basis on which the game is built and makes money from. The working masses make up the money which is pumped into the game. The owners and broadcasters make the profits but without the blessing and participation of the fans their product has zero value.
If there is anything to learn it’s that a handful old white wealthy men don’t get decide what happens to the game.
Of course there will be variations and evolutions to competitions but not a cull anywhere near the magnitude of what has been proposed. I really hope the opposite happens and other models are looked at to keep as many clubs as possible competitive and secure.
It’s interesting that the German clubs wanted nothing to do with it.

20.) 28 Apr 2021 00:31:56
Redman football does not belong to the fans and it hasn’t for the last 30 years or more. This breakaway will happen as soon as they can get all of their ducks in a row.
There will be a backlash from the working class fans and others but do you know what? They won’t care because it’s those fans they are trying to get rid of.
They don’t want the types that have that pint of ‘wallop’ on the way to the match and a pie at half time. They want the types who can spend hundreds if not thousands on a hospitality ticket and spend fortunes in the club shop.
This isn’t new it’s been happening for years in front of our eyes! We all loved the redevelopment of Anfield but that was done to get more hospitality seating.
Like Ed says it’s big business now and you either move with the times or find another team to support.

{Ed0666's Note - there’s are plenty of working class that can afford the hospitality tickets that will boycott football once this breakaway league happens. I’m not ashamed to admit that lately every time I’ve been to Anfield to watch the game (pre-pandemic) I’ve watched from hospitality because let’s face it it’s a more enjoyable experience but that won’t stop me from walking away from football once the lunatics take over the asylum. And I’ve been a Liverpool fan going on 45 odd years. Have been home and away all over Europe to watch my team. The point I’m making is don’t be too sure football doesent lose major gravitas once the breakaway league transpires because there will be a lot of disillusioned fans who would walk away than see their beloved sport prosituted.

21.) 28 Apr 2021 17:20:13
You explained it better than I did Ed’s football will loose gravitas.
If the product is messed with to much it becomes less valuable. Your right Becker football doesn’t belong to the fans but we are it’s customers. It’s logical that customers need to be kept happy to keep buying.
The large majority of society and football fans are working and lower middle class who don’t have thousands to spend on football. Collectively we make football worth billions hence the reason fan power is stronger than many on here think.
Terms like “move with the times” or football needs to evolve” is just another way of saying make the owners and broadcasters more money. I don’t think we should have it! Football should evolve for the right reasons not those based on greed.



19 Oct 2020 12:13:28
ed2 - when a club loses a player for a number of months and potentially the season, do they have the option to kind of de-register them to free up a roster space?


{Ed002's Note - Unless they have space in their squad, he cannot be replaced until January - they cannot deregister him until January. There are no HG free agents available that would even come close to the likes of Williams and Phillips. It is an unfortunate injury, clubs have to deal with things like this all of the time.}

1.) 19 Oct 2020 12:51:22
If we can’t cope with a player being injured, leading player or not, then we have issues bigger than VVD.

2.) 19 Oct 2020 16:30:22
Glass half full is that Alisson is back in training and should be back soon, having a top class keeper behind Matip and Gomez will make a huge difference. As for Prickford, hopefully karma will even itself out on him.

3.) 19 Oct 2020 23:41:56
Ok so I think we need to be logical about VVDs injury. Last season we won the league by 18 points. Is his absence going to lose us that many points. Probably not. But he’s a massive loss and others have to step up to the plate. I hate to say it, but in united’s hay day that’s what their players did regularly. Klopp will find way.

4.) 20 Oct 2020 02:29:54
Thanks ed was just interested to know as they do have this provision in american sports.

5.) 20 Oct 2020 10:29:05
lakes4 - we didn't start the season with an 18 point head start.

6.) 20 Oct 2020 15:23:02
That's the whole idea behind a squad of 25, isn't it? And to build a squad of 25 (not just 11) that is as cohesive and similar in quality as possible, so that there's no let down when injuries happen. ManC did just fine without De Bruyne one season, and without Laporte the other. And Aguero is not fit half the time. Suck it up and move forward. Let the chips fall where they may.

7.) 21 Oct 2020 05:33:14
ArAy . but theh didn't do just give without Laporte, they lost 8 or 9 games and finishes 18 points adrift of us, . They needed to take fernandinho into the back and thus losing out in his midfield strenghts, I hope we don't suffer from Fabinho possibly being unavailable to play his best role every week.

8.) 21 Oct 2020 09:35:20
Agreed Har_red. But they came in second, and were still a potent force during the season. I suspect you're going to see a title winner with at least 8-9 loses this year. Compressed shorter season, no home-field advantage to speak of, players in and out due to catching c. v., and the usual injuries. I don't see how any team can play consistently in the face of such havoc and disruption.

9.) 23 Oct 2020 06:07:53
That is fairly true, I can't argue with the points you've made there.




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18 Feb 2024 08:20:43
And with Gakpo’s goal that is 5 first team attacker in double digit goals across all comps this season.
Wonder when the last time that happened was?


1.) 18 Feb 2024 10:18:03
Not sure when but it seems we might have replaced Sadio and Bobby. I know there was a lot of concern that we’d never replace Sadio’s goal contribution.

2.) 18 Feb 2024 10:23:48
We have great squad depth and this season is showing why it is needed when chasing on 4 fronts . ?? for jots and jones they are integral parts of the team.

3.) 18 Feb 2024 10:58:54
I'm gona put my neck out and say 2001. Owen Heskey, Barmby, Murphy and Gérard got at least 10 goals each. Maybe fowler aswel.

4.) 18 Feb 2024 11:17:32
Madmax there was only 2 goalscorers in the squad that year that made double figures.

5.) 18 Feb 2024 11:27:40
Not sure if the stats are wrong but it’s saying Diaz is currently on 9 goals for the season.

If correct it’s only a matter of time though and it’s a great problem to have for Klopp and whoever wil be the new manager.

6.) 18 Feb 2024 11:59:36
Deisered, the year we won our treble. Heskey 22goals Owen 24 fowler 17, Murphy 10 Gerrard 10 Barmby and mcalister 8.

7.) 18 Feb 2024 12:02:57
I don't know about LFC or 5 on doubles but I do remember a year where Middlesbrough had Mark Vodka, JF Hasselbaink and Yakubu and all of them were on + 20 goals. Very impressive. Think that was when Southgate was manager. Might be wrong.

8.) 20 Feb 2024 17:12:24
1977 a great year for goalscoring check your history lads you know I'm right.



15 Feb 2024 18:54:18
Good opportunity for Conor assuming he is back.

Regards Trent, I said a couple games ago that he doesn't look right and shouldn't be playing. A lot of replies just focused on that he is crap at defending, but to me it looked like he had lost some agility to change direction. That to me is related to his injuries and nothing to do with being able to defend or not.

Anyways, I hope they do him right and get his body right for the run-in.


1.) 15 Feb 2024 19:18:00
Faith i think u r right as regards trent. pre injury he was flying and defending v well.
Him and szobo 2 massive losses and v worrying that both came back and broke down again with same problem.

2.) 15 Feb 2024 20:33:22
If Bradley continues to play as he has been then we won’t really miss Trent on that right hand side.
I always worry throwing a youngster in the deep end, especially when there’s little to no cover for him until Trent’s back but let’s hope he just continues to flourish and prove himself.

3.) 15 Feb 2024 22:08:25
Gomez can cover there,

4.) 16 Feb 2024 00:11:58
Can’t Quansah play on the right side too?

Based on what we’ve seen so far I think it’s fair to say that Bradley can ‘get the job done’ and some.

5.) 16 Feb 2024 05:49:41
Whilst Bradley has been excellent at right back, I feel we shouldn't be too relaxed about TAA not being available.

We'll soon miss his world class passing ability.

I feel TAA isn't being respected enough by some fans.

It's one of those things where you'll only know what you had, after it's gone

I feel we are weaker without TAA in the team as his passing ability gives us something different.

6.) 16 Feb 2024 07:28:07
JLC - that much is obvious. We’re talking about while he is unfit.

7.) 16 Feb 2024 11:02:25
Nice one, @Faith. First off, I hope Conor B. and his fam keeps getting the help he needs off the pitch and I agree that he should start playing again as a distraction from what's going on with him and his fam right now. A useful distraction indeed.

As for Trent, he was not match fit, looked unfit BUT he had to play the last two games and it showed palpably. He needs time to fully recover, get fully health and then get back to where he was in the first half of the season where he was by far the best RB (offensively and defensively) in the PL.

8.) 16 Feb 2024 18:34:50
I'm not saying anyone on this thread has been saying it, but I have noticed a little dismissing of Trent lately, particularly after the Arsenal game.
Also, with the emergence of the brilliant Bradley, we finally seem to have top class cover at right back.

But just going back to Trent for a second. I think we are really going to miss him and his skill set. Before his unfortunate injury i believe he was playing his best ever football for us. He has really grown into the leader role on the pitch and it has brought the best out of him.

I was actually listening to a podcast with Carra, New and Keano etc a couple of weeks ago. They were discussing the season so far and they were struggling to come up with a stand-out player of the season so far.
In the end they all agreed that Trent was probably the best best thus far.

Let's hope he gets back to that high level again in March.

9.) 16 Feb 2024 19:27:01
Alison out for tomorrow now.

10.) 16 Feb 2024 21:41:12
Macko, I've been seeing the same thing on here a bit BUT mostly on social media posts and chats during PL podcasts that I watch. I think it is mostly down to fans who either dislike Trent or think he should be playing in midfield esp. now that Bradley has emerged. Sometimes some of our fans can be that wild esp. those on SM creating agendas against players they claim to love for no damn reason. Sad, IMO.

And if Alisson is out due to a hamstring (just read that right now, @JK23) then, winning this title just got even harder BUT of course, not insurmountable. We have done great rising above injuries through out the season BUT there is a danger for a pile-up which may at some point, become to much to overcome. I hope not.

11.) 16 Feb 2024 22:12:19
Salah is expected to be back though ?.

12.) 17 Feb 2024 00:21:58
Macko - I agree. I haven’t paid much attention to who is doing that cos I usually just jog on from those comments. To me the dead giveaway was when Trent’s opponent would cut inside and Trent had no ability to turn. In hindsight, it’s a bit surprising that they allowed him to be out there for more than a half whilst still clearly not 100%.

Oli - the thing that frustrates me most about some Liverpool fans is how it seems loyalty only goes as far as these fans determine.



11 Feb 2024 02:45:34
Tumbleweed and Crickets on here.
We must have won.

Fun fact, we’re a Cody Gakpo goal away from having 5 of our first team attackers each in double digits goals across all competitions.

Thank you FSG for your investment in the squad



1.) 11 Feb 2024 08:22:49
It would appear that Klopp listened to his advisors on here and managed to get a result.

2.) 11 Feb 2024 09:12:19
Haha, love you two. Happy Valentines!

3.) 11 Feb 2024 09:52:17
Why are you thanking FSG? I guess you don’t condemn them won’t they don’t spend? I’ll thank Klopp and the players as always.

4.) 11 Feb 2024 10:07:46
When have they not spent Frode? Klopp has had more money to spend on players than any manger in decades.

Been following the reds since the 80’s, had to endure years of underinvestment in the 90’s and 00’s watching United dominate…Spending huge amounts on players and wages, breaking the British transfer record at lease 8 times under fergie….

5.) 11 Feb 2024 10:21:48
Missed out on Bellingham, because he was all or nothing. I don’t blame them for that but come on. Klopp has said himself on numerous occasions that he would have liked an extra player or two at the right times. They could have employed much better people especially on the commercial side, we are still well adrift on that front.

6.) 11 Feb 2024 10:17:37
@Frode, would you prefer we spent like Chelsea? Go and spen a billion for a mediocre squad in a mid table position? Not condemning somebody because they won’t spend just for the sake of it is correct, whether you understand / like it or not.

For the past three years or more the message from the club has been that they will buy the right player at the right price. Far more often than not they have got it right, again whether you understand it or not. We are top of the league two thirds of the way through the season we are in one cup final and going well in two other cups. Why would anybody in their right mind consider the owners worthy of condemnation?

7.) 11 Feb 2024 10:24:59
Wait, is @Frode part of the "Thank you" police now? Didn't know those people existed BUT not surprised. Mate, If anyone wants to thank FSG for reason X or Y then, who the the heck are you to start telling them why they cannot or shouldn't than them? Mate, take a day of mate. Your predictory tired and negative comments towards the club and FSG are becoming boring and tedious to read. get some new materil, at least.

8.) 11 Feb 2024 10:44:03
I'll thank Klopp and the players as always.
The same manager and players that FSG brought to the club.

9.) 11 Feb 2024 10:47:12
Cant enjoy a win and returning to the top of the league without having a dig.
Makes me wonder why some people even watch football at all.

10.) 11 Feb 2024 11:19:49
Was one of the lucky 59,900 there yesterday. Highest league gate since 1949. I thank FSG for that.

11.) 11 Feb 2024 11:27:14
Great result yesterday despite it not being a great performance but 3 points are 3 points.

Was amazing to be part of history of what was the biggest ever Anfield crowd for a premier league game but it does still feel quite apprehensive around some parts of the crowd.

Kelleher made a couple of nice saves which will be a boost for him ahead of the League cup and fantastic that our front 3 were all on the score sheet.

Jota’s gone from he stinks the place up or should never start a game for Liverpool or he should be sold to raise money to being an important cog in the machine.

Diaz goal was pure bravery, he had a split second to put his head where boots would be flying and he did which was a cracking goal.

Nunez got his just rewards as well and funnily has the same amount of league goals as he has league bookings. He plays with his heart on his sleeve but these silly yellow are going to get him suspended eventually and he is more use to us on the pitch than he is off it.

Special mention to Elliot who’s cross for the third was superb. He’s starting to turn into a bit of a super sub for us.

We’re currently top of the league so what more could we wish for.

12.) 11 Feb 2024 11:36:47
Atmosphere was flat at the beginning. Did it get going later on lads? Elliot does deserve massive credit, many times he has improved the side from the bench this season.

13.) 11 Feb 2024 11:56:08
markp08, the atmosphere was fairly typical of when we play a side from near the bottom end of the table. A feeling of expectation. It's been like that for years, in my opinion. The Chelsea game, 10 days previous, was cracking on the other hand.

14.) 11 Feb 2024 12:23:37
Mark sorry, that whole narrative of "FSG coulda/ shoulda done this or that. " is pretty weak right now, IMO. FSG do not decide who Klopp signs and who doesn't we don't sign. Klopp does. And we now know that there have been occasions where he has been given the funds to spend at the right times and he himself sat on it and signed nobody cos he didn't see them as the right fit. So how is that FSG's fault? That narrative no longer applies here, IMO.

FSG were also ready to fund 115m straight up for Caicedo, a player Klopp wanted/ signed off at the right time cos we had no DM and the player made a diff. decision to go somewhere else. Again, how is that FSG's fault? There are others I can pull up. Again and IMO, that whole narrative is no longer applicaple esp. now that we know a lot more about what was happening during those times. Just my opinion.

15.) 11 Feb 2024 13:29:51
I agree with that Rome. The City game will be banging.

16.) 11 Feb 2024 13:30:38
Your opinion as usual is wrong Oli.

17.) 11 Feb 2024 14:22:06
markp08, your opinion is incorrect, and I will explain instead of just saying:- Jude Bellingham was never coming to Liverpool so to say he was our all or nothing signing is incorrect. Bellingham had no interest and Liverpool was only mentioned so he could get the Madrid move.

18.) 11 Feb 2024 14:48:01
Arsenal don’t look like they’re dropping points today.

If Villa win as well could be the biggest title race in premier league history.

Can’t really remember 4-5 teams being this close at the top with a third of the season to go.

19.) 11 Feb 2024 15:30:12
Look lads, no point in saying FSG arent"frugal"with their spending. The thing has always been (and has only been magnified since jurgens announcement) whether the next man in can get as much outa his summer kitty as klopp has been able to over the years. this isn't a knock on the owners but make no mistake they fell on their feet when they appointed klopp.

20.) 11 Feb 2024 18:49:51
Mark mate, Klopp decided to keep hold of the midfield rather than move the likes of Naby, Ox etc on. Ed002 stated on numerous occasions there was mikey to spend bit Klopp chose not too….
Regarding Bellingham, maybe do a search on ed002’s comments regarding tapping up.

I love Klopp to bits but he’s been too loyal to certain players in my opinion. I hated fergie but he was ruthless in that department.

21.) 11 Feb 2024 18:50:28
How are we top of the league
In the league cup final
Still in the fa cup
And still in the europa league

And we are talking about fsg

Yes theirs things we could have improved at times over the years and things we need to improve in the summer but this anti fsg needs to be legged

They’ve openly told the fans that they work within a certain structure and will not break that for nothing I don’t get what the problem is .

Enjoy what we’ve got and not what we haven’t .

22.) 12 Feb 2024 08:58:38
lol, I sit comfortable knowing that I turn up on here consistently, win, lose or draw.

I don't look at things as a single transaction, but rather a portrait being painted and that is constantly being evolved. Many people on here cast their aspersions based on a result, or based on a signing, but for me, I prefer to look at the trend and see where we are headed before deciding my position on things. In general when it comes to FSG I prefer how they operate the club versus how other owners do.

And to be honest, I think deep down most fans do too. Either that or deep down loads of fans just want to be an oil club with loads of charges hanging over their heads.

23.) 12 Feb 2024 11:33:01
This is a very fast moving forum isn’t it?

Last summer we went from ‘we should sell our midfield” to ‘Jeez we’ve sold the midfield, what have we done’.

Then we started winning and everybody got behind the idea that we were building 2.0 and things were on the up (at least for the duration of everybody’s concentration span) . Now, some 12 weeks or so later (almost an eternity I guess) we see posts suggesting we cash in on TAA and explaining how the five or six teams closest to us are going to overtake us as the are doing the business, whereas we, since the new year have won 8, drawn 1 and, God forbid, lost 1.

How’s about we focus on next weekend’s match and support the management and the team - if we play as well as we can we’ll win. If we do that, we’ll be top of the league after 25 games.



27 Jan 2024 08:16:20
My take - he felt an obligation to get the club back on track after last season. Hence the extension. Then first half of the season the team have convinced him that he can leave knowing he’s not leaving a sinking ship. Hence taking this decision to leave at the end of this season and hand over a team on the up.

Admirable to me. I think trying to lay blame is a natural human response but I’ve not seen anything in his entire time to suggest there is acrimony with the owners.

In the end he is leaving like the complete Boss he is. On his own terms and with a team on the up.


1.) 27 Jan 2024 08:49:44
Would have liked one more season to replace Salah and get a new CB in but you are right he has defs left us in a better position than if he left last year which at times it looked like he might do.

2.) 27 Jan 2024 09:38:48
I had the same thoughts too, Faith. Ideally, he would have liked to leave at the end of last season but after our poor performance in the first half of the season, he felt like he had an obligation to correct it. Our form this season has been great so he felt like he could leave us as he would have liked - a team on the up.

3.) 27 Jan 2024 09:40:35
Spot on, Faith. Klopp kept ALL his promises, IMO. He promised that he would win a title by the time his 4 years was up (got an extension and all the rest) . He challenged us to turn from doubters to believers and he helped us do that with his immense efforts on the pitch with these wonderful players.

Now he also promised that he would be coaching in to his 60's like Fergie did and well, he kept that promise to himself and his family. Klopp is a man of great passion, compassion and great integrity. As Robert Meuller III (former FBI Director) said once, "If you have integrity, that's all that matter. If you have NO integrity, that's all that matters. "

As for whether there is a rift btw Klopp and his owners, I don't believe that for one second. Can they disagree on things at times? That's plausible of course cos that's just human. But to say he and the owners don't see eye to eye in that way, is just some some projection from the FSG Outters. I would ask them to go listen to what Klopp said about the owners in the Daily Mail about how grateful he is that FSG supported him thru and thru BUT I know they won't cos it doesn't suit their FSG vs Klopp fantasies.

4.) 27 Jan 2024 09:14:15
Really sad to see him go, but it's football, players/ managers come and go. I did question the timing at first, but now I think it makes sense. Klopp loves Liverpool, that's clear to all. He wants to leave the heir to his throne in a good place. I heard months ago that Alonso has practically agreed to be our next manager, and apparently it is written in his contract.

5.) 27 Jan 2024 11:23:27
Jurgen Klopp is a great manager and more importantly an even better man and we are luck to have had him with us for so long. Some posters have alluded to ulterior motives for his departure but I believe it his integrity that has lead him to his decision to leave when he could still enjoy the accolades that someone driven by ego would find hard to resist.

By leaving now when he feels he will not have the energy to keep going at his current intensity allows us to recruit a successor who will inherit a team is excellent shape rather than on that has gone into decline. Although some of us posters find it difficult to imagine a life without LFC at the centre of it I wish him well and am sure there will always be a special place in his heart for the city, the club and us fans.

6.) 27 Jan 2024 12:19:38
@faithinworks - spot on, No more to say.

Other than we are all devastated.

7.) 27 Jan 2024 12:47:02
"Some posters have alluded to ulterior motives for his departure but I believe it his integrity that has lead him to his decision to leave. "

Spot on, KemlynKat. The man told us what he would do and what he would not do. He said he did not see himself coaching into his 60's from the off and well, he won't do that for now.

So to those who are posting ulterior motives and and projecting their feeling onto him as a coping mchanism or just lashing out, if you are upset that a man told you the truth based on his words and deeds then that's your problem and yours alone.

Klopp kept his word thru out his journey with us. Honor, dignity and integrity till the very end. Herr Klopp, I salute you! YNWA!

8.) 27 Jan 2024 14:29:46
Perhaps Jorg Schmadtke joining transfer meeting calls from his villa in Ibiza got Klopp thinking yearning for his inevitable retirement to the Balearics.

9.) 27 Jan 2024 19:55:05
@Faith - totally agree mate. The extension was to ‘put it right’. He’s happy that we are back on track and he’s leaving us in great shape and admitting that he needs a rest and can’t just keep doing what he’s doing without it damaging his mental and physical health.

All the very best for what lies down the road for Jurgen and his family in the future and a special thank you to Ulla for letting him lead us for so long and for the brilliant image of her standing on a wheelie bin waving at the team as they were on their lap of honour through the city after winning the CL.

The Klopp’s are a big part of our legend and will stay in fans hearts as long as there is a club.



26 Jan 2024 11:58:31
not ready to celebrate or commiserate.
looking orward to end the boss' last few months with a bang!





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24 Feb 2024 08:15:52
Feeeling a bit for some fans if it’s not Alonso. Sounds like anyone else will be worse then Hodgson.




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20 Feb 2024 07:57:08
Neither here nor there but I’ve not really read anything about his defensive ability or readiness to replace Matip until this goal. Prisoner of the moment?

Always hopeful for our own players tho.




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07 Feb 2024 07:50:02
sounds like Mr Bean would rather sell Trent.




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07 Feb 2024 07:49:23
Someone asked why is Klopp different to other managers? Aren't we celebrating him as totally unique and difficult to replace?
The dude took a sabbatical after the dortmund job before here, so it's not outside the realms of possibility that he needs a rest.

and dang, from the outside, it would seem reasonable. I mean from what we see, there is so much effort and heart on the line. I'f need a rest after a week if I gave as much in my job hahahahaha.


{Ed001's Note - Guardiola did exactly the same when he left Barca and took a year off. The reason why Guardiola and Klopp get to that point is because they do not get sacked.}



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02 Feb 2024 21:37:58
is this Xabi tapping up himself? :D.





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25 Feb 2024 14:44:51
What an opportunity for the lads. Obviously want to win but I feel way more excited about the opportunity for these lads.

The team from 1 to it seems 30 just ooze our identity. So, hopefully they can deliver!




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25 Feb 2024 06:24:33
WDW - I guess what I thought I was reading and hearing about this final (not just this thread) is a general sense that we have to win. Yet I recall couple years ago we had to convince people that winning the league and FA Cup was a good thing albeit missing out on the big two.

My thing is to just keep it consistent. For me I want us to win everything but recognise that there are levels to it lol as I’d said in earlier reply I would have expected that we played our strongest possible league cup line-up which should reward the fringe players who had really contributed to getting us to the final.




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24 Feb 2024 10:14:56
Ah right lol forfeited. Thought we don’t usually here from FSG about the players lol

Also sorry, is FSGfleecingus a proper ITK like square tomato?




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24 Feb 2024 08:13:37
Really interesting narrative and I hope people are consistent with their comments about this game and their general assessment of how we approach the league cup.

I think we play the strongest team available whilst balancing injuries and rewarding squad players who have earned a starting spot. If everything is fit I’m think someone like Kelleher, Elliot, Grav, Gomez and Quansah may have started the game anyways.




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24 Feb 2024 08:11:24
Elliot, by FSG, did you mean FSGfleecingus?




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