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25 Apr 2021 00:39:50
Hi Ed2 - are you able to explain what Perez means by the ESL saving football. Was there a strategy plan for the ESL to support clubs outside the 12?

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{Ed002's Note - What he means, as I have explained repeatedly over many years, is that football needs to decide what sort of restructuring is required. Putting aside any "breakaway" or counter proposal, my fears have always been the vast number of professional clubs there are in England well below the Premier League. I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. Previously I have said that the eventual "breakaway pan-European league" would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Now we have a situation that will change the financial paradigm and may make clubs and authorities look at the situation with lower tier sides regardless.

Financially I do not see that so many professional sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting their finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially) or even separation from the Premier League and Championship.

Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again) like Bury. Recently Hartlepool has been struggling - again it needs to adapt. The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done. These are all proud clubs with a history.

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the supporters of certain clubs like it or not. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, St James Park, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat., perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so the Liverpool and Everton supporters can go and watch them?

This will be a case of getting with the game. I will try to refer to this as the "Post Apocalyptic Zombie Scenario" from now on.}


1.) 25 Apr 2021 09:05:23
Pint of wallop absolutely love that Ed you’d want to trade mark that it’s brilliant my friend!
1/ pint of wallop
2/ RTFP.


2.) 25 Apr 2021 09:28:27
Classic ed002 response so clinical and fascinating to read yet with a hint of comedy to make us chuckle
Up the pool.


3.) 25 Apr 2021 09:48:22
If there is little to no support for such restructuring from fans then can is realistically move forward and be a success? In the UK were already in another economic slide due to C.V. and being compounded further by Brexit, I don’t think the sort of money required to follow ones team with the structure you’re suggesting is there for most. Now if it was 90% sponsors/ affiliates/ etc attending I could well imagine that but it is an incredibly dystopian, ugly face of what football could be. I understand it is a business now but there are still huge swathes of fans who are very attached to their clubs, not to mention political considerations which may come into play (like involvement of national governments) if the uproar is significant enough. I would be surprised if such proposals and restructuring went ahead as, though there are wealthy individuals in favor of such things, there is little of any support from fans - I’m not sure I’ve heard much from anyone in favor, the closest I’ve heard is ‘we should join so we don’t get left behind’ but even those sentiments are rare.

I know your understanding of the game, and the ins and outs behind closed doors, are far superior to mine, but in this instance Ed I truly hope your predictions/ expectations are wrong.

All the best Ed, also thanks for the time and effort you spend giving us your knowledge, there has been a lot of talk and discussion recently and your insights are greatly appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with COVID-19 nor BREXIT. These proposals have been around since long before both. Whether the fans like it or not, more clubs will go out of business like Bury if nothing is done.}


4.) 25 Apr 2021 09:51:10
I know you are correct Ed and football must change. But what trophies will the elite sides play for? IMO after a couple of years of watching the same sides play each other the atmosphere will die. I might move more and more corporate but it will become totally boring.

{Ed002's Note - The "elite" group of clubs includes 21 sides so it won't be the same sides every week.}


5.) 25 Apr 2021 10:51:32
I’m inclined to agree with you Ed002 on this, I can see the benefits and disadvantages on both sides .
I don’t necessarily want it to happen but I’d rather Liverpool were in than out if it does.


6.) 25 Apr 2021 11:59:57
I don’t doubt a word of what ed2 says but it is heartbreaking to read. It seems as though the game has to be restructured because of the greed at the very top of the pyramid and I include UEFA and FIFA in that. Perez alluded to the fact that the big clubs are struggling financially but what I don’t understand is why they won’t just face the exact same fate in say another 20years, as surely all that will happen by generating more money is the players, agents, hangers on etc will all just demand more again and the same problems exists just with higher sums involved. That doesn’t seem to answer to the problem to me, just kicking the problem down the line to the detriment of the sport its self?

{Ed002's Note - Football has to naturally evolve, as it did with the Premier Leagues and Champions League.}


7.) 25 Apr 2021 13:29:39
And who exactly can afford milan on a Wednesday with Barcelona away on Saturday week in week out. It won't be long until it only home fans ie NFL.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect you don't understand the plan.}


8.) 25 Apr 2021 14:52:39
Thanks ed, regards your comment -

"I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA"

You've also. mentioned that the key difference between ESL and the elite 22 clubs is that ESL hasn't worked with UEFA. Can I assume then that if UEFA are at the table with the elite clubs, that they have a sense of inevitability that their time will be coming to an over the next decade? I just wonder what the purpose. of these clubs negotiating ei UEFA is if the end game is breaking them up.

{Ed002's Note - I think that is a reasonably fair description. UEFA coming to the table is with the obejective of being in control, or at the very least maintaining their position as the controlling body. But changes need to be made and this recent attempt falls far short of expectations and has dome more harm than good.}


9.) 25 Apr 2021 14:54:09
Also ed2, reminded myself to tell you this - I posted your detailed post about ESL to a fan page in NZ. One member replied back saying he went to Anfield regularly 40 years ago and never went cloth-capped. Lol I don't know what this means but thought I'd pass it on :p.

{Ed002's Note - It means he probably has loads of illegitimate if he failed to take protection.}


10.) 25 Apr 2021 16:51:47
I’ll be honest Ed. I’ve got no time for a pint of lukewarm wallop or whatever vile brown booze the campaign for real ale prefer for that matter, boring bearded trainspotters that they are. So I’m all for weekend trips to Bavaria, Turin, Milan, Budapest, Bruges, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Prague, Paris, Lyon, Milan, Rome, Madrid, etc when it eventually happens. Just needs to be done better than this last laughable effort.


11.) 25 Apr 2021 20:43:47
Newsflash! Fans will not put up with what Ed002 is talking about. We have just witnessed that. So let’s put that to bed.
I’m sure Eds 02 information is correct however that doesn’t mean it will happen. How can it? If there is some sort of European elite/ super / pan / bull league then fans will be marginalised or grouped into the few that can afford and the few that cannot.

Thanks for your very elitist view of the working class game Ed’s but your comments are out of of touch. The working class has evolved and just because we don’t wear cloth caps and drink a pint of wallop doesn’t mean that we don’t work for the week then walk to the game and have a pint on the way. This happens all over the country at every club week in week out.
The event this week prove your view of the fans the game are way off the mark.
Despite the best efforts of money and greed football remains the people game. Without the people there is no product no game.
So thank you sir but I think you need to re examine your theory.

{Ed002's Note - So what has happened to disprove what I have said?}


12.) 26 Apr 2021 04:08:55
I started going to matches in around 1959. The European Super League has been kicking around the boardroom since the mid-1960s.

In the time I’ve been a fan, society has changed enormously. If you look at what has happened with other social organisations, such as social clubs and hobby clubs and churches they’ve had to adapt or go bust. All organisations have followed similar paths. We no longer tolerate sleepy little organisations that scrape by on charity or luck – everything is properly commercialised. The pattern repeats all over society… to simplify it, if a club needs 100 active members to be viable, two clubs with 80 members will be forced to merge – but the new organisation won’t have 160 members because a significant number won’t follow the new organisation. In essence the choices diminish at the same time as tickets/ membership gets dearer.
The football business model is entirely different, but the outcomes are similar.
When we were forced to go all seater, the days of wandering up every other Saturday and paying three bob to see a match (15p for you youngsters) went for ever. Instead of a damp step, there was a plastic seat and instead of pence it became pounds to use that same space. Last time I went to a game it cost best part of £30 to sit where the boys pen used to be and I used to pay 9d (4.5p) to watch from there.
The football team I went as a lad to see and support became a real force – then it became a brand – then became an International big deal brand; And although my support is unquestionable and always will be – it’s hard to find much “Liverpool” about Liverpool FC
Instead of local Dad and Lads being the main fan base, it’s now the clubs international fan base that the clubs serve. The population churn under Mrs T resulted in people going where the jobs were. So now there are more of us supporters that live outside the city than are in the city.

The international fan base for teams like Liverpool and Man Utd dwarfs the UK based fan numbers and ultimately are more important financially to the clubs.
I’m priced out. I can’t afford to go to games now, but there are so many people to take my place. People who can afford to buy the expensive corporate hospitality deals, Fans have moaned about the day-trippers to Anfield and Old Trafford for decades, but that is a huge income stream – and the “Anfield Experience” fan is probably the future.
If anyone thinks that the movers and shakers of football MUST take notice of fans wishes, you are sadly mistaken. This year’s Training Ground Premiership shows that they can to a bigger degree than you’d think get by without the diehard match going fans.
Football is a business; the Americans consider them franchises and milk them for everything they can. And the thing that not many people have noticed is that the franchise is for a competitor’s place in a League, NOT for a team from a specific town or city. If the owners consider that there is some strategic advantage in moving the franchise to another city – They will. It’s been done several times in the USA and although the financial set-up was different, Wimbledon moved to become MK Dons.

Fan ownership is an attractive option, but how would that happen? And why? Some of us considered this when Hicks and Gillette were the owners. We couldn’t see how it could be done mostly because a lot of people would not be able to afford to buy a share.
Short of some sort of government sponsored compulsory purchase, how are the fans going to get control?
Wimbledon fans did it, reclaimed their club and got it climbing the pyramid. United of Manchester and AFC Liverpool are promising start-ups and probably the only way that fans could control their hometown club – but that will take decades….


13.) 26 Apr 2021 11:36:44
The world categorically said no to a super league through protests, governments and media outlets. Within 48 hours the computation was announced and retracted.

Surely the only feasible conclusion is that this (or anything like it) will not happen as a project.

Football as a whole may need to change and adapt but not like this. The answer will and should never be that the smaller clubs become even more obsolete tim they already are and richer clubs should get richer. That would be just be rubbish. A decision based on greed.
If it is to be shaken up it should be to keep as many clubs involved as possible. A bottom up approach. Because you know what. It means something to communities not 50 years ago. Now. It’s something that gives people an identity a focus. Something to bloody do!


14.) 26 Apr 2021 12:57:28
In my opinion the only reason the super league isn’t going through is because the clubs decided that the immediate consequences were worse than the potential gains they intended to make. Ed talks of a completely different culture to where we are today. He talks of a time when people hop around the continent watching their team week in week out this time is not aimed at us. The owners aren’t interested in the race to the bottom that the current set of fans demand. They will alienate and push and through the passage of time there will be less and less of the previous generation of fan until all that it left are the ones that can afford what they want to sell us. They will break away they will not care about being banned from the premier league they will create something that they want and they have learned the cards that uefa and fifa and the fa and the government hold. They know now that they will fight it and what means they will use to fight it. Once the clubs spoken about join the super league the people that stay will be the ones you can go and support if you want to see the lads with a pint of wallop the team name might be Merseyside reds or tranmere but that’s what will be left for you if you do not stick with what’s on offer from lfc. The owners will not care. The protests won’t matter. Being kicked out the premier league won’t matter. No traditional fans in the stadium won’t matter. It will be a different sport but the old one will be available to you in the form of whatever is left behind and picking a club from that.


15.) 26 Apr 2021 13:46:04
How can any of your post hold any weight when we have just seen a prime minister, managers and players, fans and pundits all reject it. You have clearly learned nothing from the past week. Club owners don’t get to decide the fate of football and there is no appetite for an elite European league. Why? Because most fans cannot afford the money or the time to go trudging around Europe on a weekly basis!
How are you still convinced football will go this way. The question is been emphatically answered with a resounding NO! Up the pint of wallop!


16.) 27 Apr 2021 00:45:25
The point is that there is more than enough money in football for everyone to have a space at the table. The fact that the few don't want to share with the many is a very old story that continues to this day.

Ed.002, everything you say has a good chance of coming true, I don't doubt it. The problem is, the way you present it is as if there is not enough to go around. Suggesting that there is no way way half of the clubs in the UK can survive. They could if we shared more. You are at times brutally honest about us fans, how about that same acerbic withering wit of yours being directed at this. They (those at the top table, boardrooms, Uefa, FIFA, Elite, etc. ) are in it for themselves. Not the development of football.

As I say, I don't doubt what you say. I appreciate the Information. I do think you are coming at this from a certain angle though. Thank you.


17.) 27 Apr 2021 08:27:55
Redman - your lack of vision is a little embarrassing here man. All that happened is that they learned. They've learned that they won't be allowed to partially break away so they need to be prepared with a full new league. They've learned that they need to get major broadcasters signed up before announcing to temper the barrage of criticism. They've learned that they need to have a more polished proposal locked down. Maybe that waiting until uefa piss everyone off first before announcing anything. They will do it again, and again and again if need be until eventually the backlash just isn't there.


18.) 27 Apr 2021 15:17:01
The ESL will come. It is only a matter of when not if. The maths say so. Currently LFC and others can expect about £250m to £300m for winning the EPL and the champions league for TV companies.
We have depending on who you ask somewhere between 100million and 600 million fans worldwide. Similar figures are estimated for Utd Barca, Real Madrid, and most of the other dirty dozen clubs. On that basis LFC v Man U could attract easily 500million tv fans worldwide. At £10 per viewer via pay per view this would bring in £5 billion pounds for one game. This is what will happen in the future and why none of the greedy owners will sell at the moment
I also believe quite frighteningly that if too much pressure is brought to hear to stop it, the owners will just move the club's to places which will accept it. LFC to Boston, Utd to Tampa Bay Arsenal to L. A. for example.

{Ed001's Note - they won't be moved any time soon, that is not going to happen.}


19.) 27 Apr 2021 21:27:03
Hjikle the only lack of vision or grasp of reality was that of Perez and the other snakes. They embarrassed themselves in front of a world audience.
I think what Perez and maybe you possibly Ed’s 02 fail to grasp is that football does in fact have a soul. it belongs to the fans.
Ed2 jokes (I hope ) about the good old days. They still exists in an evolved modern day form. This is the basis on which the game is built and makes money from. The working masses make up the money which is pumped into the game. The owners and broadcasters make the profits but without the blessing and participation of the fans their product has zero value.
If there is anything to learn it’s that a handful old white wealthy men don’t get decide what happens to the game.
Of course there will be variations and evolutions to competitions but not a cull anywhere near the magnitude of what has been proposed. I really hope the opposite happens and other models are looked at to keep as many clubs as possible competitive and secure.
It’s interesting that the German clubs wanted nothing to do with it.


20.) 28 Apr 2021 00:31:56
Redman football does not belong to the fans and it hasn’t for the last 30 years or more. This breakaway will happen as soon as they can get all of their ducks in a row.
There will be a backlash from the working class fans and others but do you know what? They won’t care because it’s those fans they are trying to get rid of.
They don’t want the types that have that pint of ‘wallop’ on the way to the match and a pie at half time. They want the types who can spend hundreds if not thousands on a hospitality ticket and spend fortunes in the club shop.
This isn’t new it’s been happening for years in front of our eyes! We all loved the redevelopment of Anfield but that was done to get more hospitality seating.
Like Ed says it’s big business now and you either move with the times or find another team to support.

{Ed0666's Note - there’s are plenty of working class that can afford the hospitality tickets that will boycott football once this breakaway league happens. I’m not ashamed to admit that lately every time I’ve been to Anfield to watch the game (pre-pandemic) I’ve watched from hospitality because let’s face it it’s a more enjoyable experience but that won’t stop me from walking away from football once the lunatics take over the asylum. And I’ve been a Liverpool fan going on 45 odd years. Have been home and away all over Europe to watch my team. The point I’m making is don’t be too sure football doesent lose major gravitas once the breakaway league transpires because there will be a lot of disillusioned fans who would walk away than see their beloved sport prosituted.


21.) 28 Apr 2021 17:20:13
You explained it better than I did Ed’s football will loose gravitas.
If the product is messed with to much it becomes less valuable. Your right Becker football doesn’t belong to the fans but we are it’s customers. It’s logical that customers need to be kept happy to keep buying.
The large majority of society and football fans are working and lower middle class who don’t have thousands to spend on football. Collectively we make football worth billions hence the reason fan power is stronger than many on here think.
Terms like “move with the times” or football needs to evolve” is just another way of saying make the owners and broadcasters more money. I don’t think we should have it! Football should evolve for the right reasons not those based on greed.


 

 

19 Oct 2020 12:13:28
ed2 - when a club loses a player for a number of months and potentially the season, do they have the option to kind of de-register them to free up a roster space?

Faithinworks

{Ed002's Note - Unless they have space in their squad, he cannot be replaced until January - they cannot deregister him until January. There are no HG free agents available that would even come close to the likes of Williams and Phillips. It is an unfortunate injury, clubs have to deal with things like this all of the time.}


1.) 19 Oct 2020 12:51:22
If we can’t cope with a player being injured, leading player or not, then we have issues bigger than VVD.


2.) 19 Oct 2020 16:30:22
Glass half full is that Alisson is back in training and should be back soon, having a top class keeper behind Matip and Gomez will make a huge difference. As for Prickford, hopefully karma will even itself out on him.


3.) 19 Oct 2020 23:41:56
Ok so I think we need to be logical about VVDs injury. Last season we won the league by 18 points. Is his absence going to lose us that many points. Probably not. But he’s a massive loss and others have to step up to the plate. I hate to say it, but in united’s hay day that’s what their players did regularly. Klopp will find way.


4.) 20 Oct 2020 02:29:54
Thanks ed was just interested to know as they do have this provision in american sports.
Cheers.


5.) 20 Oct 2020 10:29:05
lakes4 - we didn't start the season with an 18 point head start.


6.) 20 Oct 2020 15:23:02
That's the whole idea behind a squad of 25, isn't it? And to build a squad of 25 (not just 11) that is as cohesive and similar in quality as possible, so that there's no let down when injuries happen. ManC did just fine without De Bruyne one season, and without Laporte the other. And Aguero is not fit half the time. Suck it up and move forward. Let the chips fall where they may.


7.) 21 Oct 2020 05:33:14
ArAy . but theh didn't do just give without Laporte, they lost 8 or 9 games and finishes 18 points adrift of us, . They needed to take fernandinho into the back and thus losing out in his midfield strenghts, I hope we don't suffer from Fabinho possibly being unavailable to play his best role every week.


8.) 21 Oct 2020 09:35:20
Agreed Har_red. But they came in second, and were still a potent force during the season. I suspect you're going to see a title winner with at least 8-9 loses this year. Compressed shorter season, no home-field advantage to speak of, players in and out due to catching c. v., and the usual injuries. I don't see how any team can play consistently in the face of such havoc and disruption.


9.) 23 Oct 2020 06:07:53
That is fairly true, I can't argue with the points you've made there.


 

 

14 Aug 2020 12:15:11
eds - echo quoted a club source who denied that the club had been in contact with bayern regards Thiago. part of the rationale they gave was that the club wouldn't want to pay a transfer fee for a player they could sign for free in a year. my question is, for any club wanting to sign Thiago this year, wouldn't they also negotiate an extension to his current contract? it seems like he wants to leave Bayern now, so if another club picked him sure they would be wanting to have him sign a multi year deal? otherwise what other club would pay a transfer fee for potentially a one year rental!?

Faithinworks

{Ed002's Note - Thiago doesn't want to extend his contract. I don't get your point about a one year rental.}


1.) 14 Aug 2020 13:07:48
Once Thiago leaves Bayern he will no longer have a contract with Bayern. He’ll have a new contract at his new club, which I’m sure won’t be for a year. It will be negotiated when Bayern allow somebody to speak to him and it’ll likely be 3-4 years, allowing the buying club to get the remaining top years out of the player and the player to have the chance of extending or leaving for yet another club for one last hurrah, maybe the Middle East, Far East, America or Italy.

By that point he has little resale value, will have declined physically making him less suited to certain ways of playing, will have cost a lot of money in wages and transfer fees and potentially suffered from further injuries which are creeping into his career. Hence why somebody at Liverpool is rightly wary.


2.) 14 Aug 2020 19:39:13
Hi eds, can one of confirm if we are actually in for Thiago or not?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - RTFP. I have explained over and over the situation.}


3.) 14 Aug 2020 21:08:07
Evening Ed002 - Are you by any chance asking Redman 1 to listen to the Ross Tucker Football Podcast?

Just a small theory I’m working on 😁.

{Ed002's Note - F on't know what that is so I guess not.}


4.) 14 Aug 2020 23:13:52
ed2 - the question is, if Bayern sell thiago this summer, would the purchasing club also be negotiating a new contract for him that extends beyond the year he has left on his current contract? I'm asking the question because the echo rationale for Liverpool not wanting to buy Thiago is because the club don't want to buy a player whose contract is going to end in a year. I didn't understand their rational as it wouldn't seem to make sense for any club to spend money on a transfer who is going to become a FA in a year. that's the one year rental bit. happens in NBA all the time.

{Ed002's Note - I truly think you are completely confused about transfers. I have no idea what the Echo has said but if Liverpool want the player next year they can legally approach him next January. The length of his contract is unrelated to any club that buys him. So if Liverpool were to buy him they would look for a three to four year deal and would need to pay Bayern Munich an agreed fee.}


5.) 15 Aug 2020 00:24:46
Faithibworks you are after getting confused by what you read.

Whenever somebody transfers to a new club they sign a new contract with that club. What the echo mean is that Liverpool don't see value in spending €30m on a 29 year who could be a free agent in 10/ 11 months if he didn't leave Bayern this summer.

In reality, it seems more likely that Thiago will leave Bayern this summer so then he wouldn't be a free agent in 10/ 11 months. It's a case of which club will pay Bayern about €30m and Thiago to agree a contract with them. or maybe us, we'll have to wait and see.


6.) 15 Aug 2020 06:41:08
right, that's all I was after. Didn't need the carry on. Sean Ireland - I think you are right, I misinterpreted that bit about him being free in a year's time. I understood that for all transfers, the player would sign a new contract, hence the confusion in what I thought I'd read in the echo. Having said that, if Thiago says he wants to leave Bayern for anywhere now, then that would be the rationale to spend money on him this year because he won't be free in 12 months time by virtue of being at another club!


7.) 15 Aug 2020 09:23:11
Exactly ya 👍.


8.) 15 Aug 2020 09:35:14
Exactly ya 👍.


9.) 16 Aug 2020 03:16:19
We paid a higher fee to sign AOC when he was into his last year. We got nearly 12 mil for 31 yr old lovren with him available for free next year. 25mil would be good business to get thiago this year, why wait another year and lose out on a season where he could be a key player, this isn't huge money to be saying it can't be a wise investment.


 

 

12 Apr 2020 22:38:56
Ed2 - interested if you can share any info about how COVID-19 and its effect on the economy has altered how transfer negotiations are held? For instance, I just read a headline regarding Kane and Spurs holding out for 200mil. I'm not interested in that rumour but in how a normal discussion about transfer fees might be happening now? Can they even discuss figures right now!?

Faithinworks

{Ed002's Note - Transfers this summer will split into (a) those already agreed and completed subject to paperwork (e.g. Hakim Ziyech (Ajax to Chelsea), Nicolo Barella (Cagliari to Inter Milan), Alvaro Morata (Chelsea to Atletico Madrid) and Trincao (Braga to Barcelona)); (b) the transfers several cash rich clubs would like to get over the line if possible (e.g. Mbappe, Sanco, Martinez, Pogba, Havertz etc.) although people will try and negotiate reductions in the cost of overall packages (e.g. Sancho); (c) there are the then the higher-profile clubs that will need to horse trade by looking to spread out payments if they can, include players in sales or have the sell to buy (e.g. Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid and Barcelona are good examples; (d) the more run of the mill transfers where players are recruited to gain improvements in the sides, replace retiring and out of contract players etc..

You will certainly see less movement and less spend in the lower tiers as the money won't be there. Many will look to sell a player or two to the higher leagues to keep themselves out of trouble (e.g. Brad Young (G) has a move from Billingham Town to a Premier League side agreed already). And many PL and Championship sides are once again looking at players from the lower tiers.

In terms of transfer fees, we will still see a few very expensive transfers, you will see players having to stay where they are for another year, you will see efforts to reduce overall costs particularly agent fees - and across mainland Europe you will see even more horse trading than normal.}


 

 

24 Dec 2018 22:09:31
Merry NZ Christmas! Enjoy a christmas on top of the table in behalf of us downunder and enjoy youraelf another Christmad on top your time!

Let's continue to push the lads on!

Faithinworks

1.) 26 Dec 2018 05:45:24
Merry xmas from Cornwallis, West Auckland New Zealand.


2.) 26 Dec 2018 08:11:43
And a Merry Christmas from the Central Coast, NSW, Australia and all the best for 2019.


 

 

 

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30 Aug 2021 15:10:26
ok, let's get it out of the way early. ed2 - when are we allowed to sign current free agents?

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{Ed002's Note - Once the transfer window closes.}


1.) 30 Aug 2021 17:14:34
Just out of curiosity which players are still currently free agents?


2.) 30 Aug 2021 19:20:57
OP if you are trying to sign free agents then you prolly need to save your money cos free agents are well, free agents for a reason.


3.) 30 Aug 2021 17:58:18
Kang-in Lee is a free agent now after leaving Valencia. Very well thought of. Bar him no one worth taking any notice of.


4.) 30 Aug 2021 21:24:06
Ed02 x can we now have a list of currently free agents that we have no interest in please?


5.) 30 Aug 2021 21:45:52
daniel sturridge is still without a club ( last i saw he was training with a spanish team) .

gaston ramirez is free as well ( blast from the rumours past there. )


6.) 31 Aug 2021 13:33:41
Mbappe may very well ne "free" next summer!


 

 

29 Aug 2021 05:26:39
now that we've drawn today, will we now rush to take on more debt to bring in a 5th choice attacker or another 7th choice midfielder?
lol

#sarcasm
go on Harvey, love his work!

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1.) 29 Aug 2021 08:55:51
#relegated 😀😀.


2.) 29 Aug 2021 09:49:32
Let’s face it and be honest with ourselves. Out of all our starting midfielders
Henderson and Thiago are getting on but are still class
Elliot looks a real talent
Jones although the fans want him to be the next big thing I have a feeling he’ll be the next jay spearing and I’m not knocking the lad I just don’t see where he’s going to get time playing.
Ox is great when fit but can he stay fit?
Kieta hasn’t been all that although he’s played some of his best games for us this season.
Milner is now in his twilight years and this is probably his last season, never going to be more than a bit part player at nest now.
I understand if we haven’t got the money we can’t go out and buy players but I can see why people are getting frustrated.


3.) 29 Aug 2021 10:43:35
Pegleg, and you gathered all that regarding Jones after one game? Jones compared to Jay Spearing? I mean what can one say after dropping that piece of knowledge 🙄.


4.) 29 Aug 2021 13:26:09
In the mailbox section of a certain site I actually just now read some numbskull genuinely opining that Klopp should leave now. Like, please, just shush.


 

 

29 Aug 2021 05:57:26
Content with the point whilst being a bit disappointed we couldn't take all 3.
In the end we just didn't execute well enough early in the second half to nick the lead. Then the final 15-20 minutes were always going to be tough. Chelsea played their part to kill the fame. I swear the ball was dead for the majority of the 3 minutes stoppage time

My takeaways:

Playing against 10 doesn't mean more space. You basically play against the same numbers in defense than if they had 11 on the pitch. Then you add in the mentality of team who feel an injustice + the fact they are a very good team, means we need to earn the result not just expect that it will come. If anything in terms of our performance I just thought we fell into bad habits midway through the second half and the longer it stayed at 1-1. We weren't cute enough to break it down today.

Harvey Elliot is the Gini replacement. He will go in and out for the rest of the season I'm sure but what a player we have

The only thing I didn't like was Robbo starting. Tsimikas had form and a full pre-season behind him. He's been firing to start the season, I think it was a real shame for him and the team to not keep that going. Robbo was a million miles off the pace

General encouragement to not be too down-heartened. Whatever you think we didn't do today doesn't mean we CAN'T do it. It is a missed opportunity but still an important point against one of our rivals. If it was 11v11 and finished 1-1 then the feeling would be different but the facts would be the same.

We go again.

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1.) 29 Aug 2021 06:19:28
Completely agree regarding Robbo, I’d have started Jota too.


2.) 29 Aug 2021 06:36:13
Nope do not sugarcoat it with words. Chelsea were good and even better after going down to 10.
We lacked ideas. We had our 11 and once we had to look beyond the 11 like we did today we don't have a game changer. It was anfield against chelsea with 10 men. There can be no excuses.
Chelsea knew what they had to do and they did it well
I dunno maybe If we had someone on bench who could add something more it would have been a different scoreline.
Here is what irks me most :
It is not a feeling i like that with us being seemingly content on competing rather than been hell bent on winning and this seems to be the general feeling i get from the team and manager and fans.
Oh my others are spending but we skint AF but you-know-what even if others are spending we will still be there fighting for it but since we didn't spend much if we don't win its okay because we tried. A load of crap. That is already a defeatist mindset.

We have missed a few tricks this transfer window but let's not put in excuses for inept performances either. This result cannot be acceptable if we really want to win the league.
We as fans should be make it clear this is the same team that won in 2019 and 2020 and lame performances won't go down easy anymore. We should be winning the title. We have the best manager and most experienced team. In 2019-20 with the same team we would have won this game. So why should not the expectations be same in 2021

Onwards to leeds.


3.) 29 Aug 2021 07:23:24
Akira, you’ve made it perfectly clear you care mostly about transfers and this post confirms you know nothing about football. Bravo.


4.) 29 Aug 2021 07:30:29
Ok thesaurus of football. What ever.


5.) 29 Aug 2021 07:34:29
Definitely a member of the "I want a shiny new toy" brigade.


6.) 29 Aug 2021 08:22:47
I don’t think we need a new shiny toy but we do need to start managing the peripheral players we have better.
I can understand Klopp’s favouritism and allegiances but Robbo had no place being on that starting line-up ahead of Tsimikas. I do not care what Robbo has done in previous seasons, we had a replacement absolutely flying and off the back of a formidable last game dropped. Bad decision.
He has previous did the same with Taki off the back of the Palace game.
Now we will be expecting Taki and Tsimkas to give 110% when next called upon and play like gods. Otherwise they are not fit to play for us. Even though they proved they had and got shafted worse than Debbie does Dallas.
Tiny ripples. It might work out OK in the king run but I think it could have been managed better and a pumped up Tsimikas would have been more of a threat yesterday than Robbo who was poor.


7.) 29 Aug 2021 08:34:36
Which tricks have we missed Akira?

Should we have signed Bissouma - even though his club don’t want to sell and even though he wants to go to another club?

Should we have signed Neuhaus (see Bissouma)

Should we have signed Saul even though Athletico wanted all all the money up front and he would smash our wage structure

Should we have signed Traore? If you answer yes can you say why?

Should we have signed Mbappe?

What type of player should we have signed?

It would be good if you could answer because at the moment you sound like my three year old granddaughter in the toy shop ‘ I want …… I want ……. I want’.


8.) 29 Aug 2021 10:02:44
Poor Akira. We draw one game against a very good and organised team that are current European Champions and all of a sudden the team, the manager and the fans aren't interested in winning. And the team were inept.
And we have a defeatist mindset because we didn't buy him anything shiny.
Is this the tripe we can expect now from Akira when teams won't roll over for us?


9.) 29 Aug 2021 10:10:45
I see the usual suspects are defending our transfer policy again 😴😴😴 Happy to plod along watching us struggle to break teams down.


10.) 29 Aug 2021 10:53:12
Yeah, yeah, Akira. We get it. You hate the owners cos they are not doing what you want. Even my toddler is not as petulant as you are. Change the record bro cos you have NO new material clearly . The OP makes way too much sense with his post for you to understand hence, I get the reason why you didn’t address many of the salient points he made. Funny that 🧐.

As for the game itself, we didn’t play well enuff to win cos as the OP said, playing against ten men esp vs a team as well defensively drilled as Chelsea are, means a lot less space and they are formidable overall as a team. We had the couple of chances to win esp with the Salah chance that fell to his right foot cos had that been on his left, we bank the 3 points. Either way, we take the pint and move on.


11.) 29 Aug 2021 11:17:14
More than happy to watch us plod along at the top of the league, unbeaten. The transfer policy that got us Alison Robbo, VVD, Matip, Konate, Gomez, Thiago, Fabs, Mane, Salah, Bobby, Diogo is fine by me - which transfer policy are you talking about? Wouldn’t be the one where we spend millions that we don’t have would it?


12.) 29 Aug 2021 11:27:40
We didn't beat a defense minded 10 man Chelsea who are current European Champions and it's all because we didn't buy players in the transfer window.
Nothing to do with Chelsea's resilience and ability to defend as a unit.
I don't see anyone happy about struggling to break teams down, but I'm willing to bet I'll see more people using it as an excuse to bleat about the lack of shiny new names.
Chelsea were defensively very good, they deserve credit for it.


13.) 29 Aug 2021 11:28:50
West Derby you know nothing about football, I sure Klopp "WANTS" but can't have a 150 million pound player, as with Bissouma what difference does it make if a club doesn't want to sell, it never stopped clubs before? There is nothing wrong with wanting a new player to come in and giving the squad and fans a lift, just don't see what you are trying to say?


14.) 29 Aug 2021 11:36:00
Look at those two sides yesterday, who came out of that game looking like genuine title contenders who could actually win the league? I know and I think most of you do to but won't admit it to yourselves.


15.) 29 Aug 2021 11:47:44
We are not top of the league. West Ham are top of the league. But hey don't let the truth get in the way of your narrative.


16.) 29 Aug 2021 13:40:41
Waro, both teams did. It was a top game with both teams going at it and both getting a point cos neither deserved to lose. Both teams have identical records all the way thru, as well so that’s what I saw. What did you see? I’ll wait 🙄.


17.) 30 Aug 2021 00:55:31
Akira - the big goal is winning the league. reacting to each micro-result as if we have won the league or as if our hair is on fire is just not for me. It is clearly for you. But I don't recall your presence on here much when we won the league.


18.) 30 Aug 2021 00:56:47
Waro- sure you can make a case that Chelsea looked like the more resilient team. Does that mean it will stay that way all season? who knows, but we should all know that development isn't linear.

{Ed0666's Note - bloody hell faith you’re making a
Lot of sense today. What are you on????


19.) 30 Aug 2021 00:58:50
Overall I think it's fair to be disappointed about not getting the win. In terms of managing emotions I just prefer to focus on what we have and what we can do with it rather than getting all up in a twist about signing players that we either can't afford or simply aren't after.

{Ed0666's Note - you’re no fun are you? You don’t wanna get sucked into the drama of the final day of the transfer window? Will we won’t we? I’m gonna be watching till the last second hoping the fax machine don’t jam and the FA get the paperwork we’ve faxed through. Oh and who doesent wanna hear sky sports inferring that a premiership club in the north west have 2 medicals lined up blah blah blah. And on Wednesday morning I’ll wake up to the realization that the fax machine did get jammed the FA didn’t get the paperwork in time and the squad is as you were.


20.) 30 Aug 2021 04:32:20
lol triple6, don't worry mate I'm as interested as anyone about signings. So will definitely engage in the convo, but it's just not for me to get apocalyptic about it and then start casting misplaced anger and blame in all sorts of directions ahahaha.

{Ed0666's Note - word


21.) 30 Aug 2021 06:23:22
I saw a top team playing against another top team for 45 minutes with a man less and holding them comfortably and never really looking like being breached, and before the sending off playing very well and being by far the better team IMHO. So in conclusion I feel Chelsea are the more credible title challengers and we will be there or there abouts but will ultimately fall short. Hope and pray I'm wrong but Chelsea looked the real deal yesterday and we looked like a team withering on the vine. Hope this helps Olired.


 

 

27 Aug 2021
New image uploaded to the
Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, While Europe's elite keep their eye on the Champions League draw, Everton are celebrating a pigeon lol

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25 Aug 2021 12:30:00
eds - where can we get information about how much the club pay to specific agents with regards to agent fees?

Also, when a club sell a player, does that player receive a payout for the remainder of their contract? and then, if they do, is that payout void if they submit a transfer request

thanks in advance.

Faithinworks

{Ed002's Note - (a) Agent fees are listed on the TMS which you will not be able to see. (b) No. If a club sell a player when the player has not requested a transfer the player gets 5% of the fee.}


1.) 25 Aug 2021 13:49:03
hi Ed002

ive seen you mention this 5% fee players get when transferred.

Is this something that is just a standard contractual clause or is it always applicable to every transfer (FIFA rule? not sure what it would be)

{Ed002's Note - It is part of the transfer rules. If they request a move they don't get it.}


 

 

 

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09 Sep 2021 14:53:00
Is there a general consensus on what 'interest' means? Like for Paul Joyce to say that, does interest equate to planning to sign next summer? or that he is on a list of players we may want to puruse? etc etc.

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30 Aug 2021 10:58:02
I suppose Salah scores goalz, but he often escapes Mane-like criticism when in the same game he does jacksh*ep which is what Mane is being criticized for.

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30 Aug 2021 10:25:11
People are just worried about our rovals because they are insecure. And fair enough, that insecurity has been fertilized by 30 years of failure in the league.

I'm a believer, not blindly, bit faithfully in Klopp the owerns and the squad. I couldn't care less about other clun's spending as far as I'm concerned they all have massive faps to fill. We can add for security but there is no guarantee it will actually benefot the squad. We're in an unfortunate position due to CV and perhapd Michael Edwards isn't the zen master we all think he is given our massive spending on wages etc although I could have that wrong lol but anyways, we have an elite squad rhat can win trophies this year and I look forwsrd to being one of the few who celebrated the highs and lows all season long back the lads 100%.

Lesssgoooooooo.

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30 Aug 2021 00:15:53
we are skint because we have spent loads on salary, agent fees and then had a massive reduction in income due to C.V.. and then we've had a HG issue that has limited some of the transfer activity.

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28 Aug 2021 06:46:11
thanks for the responses ed. Couple final Qs -

I was reading about manU's share price increased 8% since the Ronaldo signing. Has FSG sold any shares in Liveprool?

what is the benefit for a club to do this? is it more to do with the overall value of the club that would be more beneficial for the owners as opposed to making any difference with profit / loss?

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{Ed002's Note - FSG sold part of the business to RedBird. There are no shares in Liverpool.}


 

 

 

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19 Sep 2021 20:37:35
Sarr, Bissouma and Jude will be well out of our price range when they are up for sale. Well I rekon anyways lol.

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19 Sep 2021 05:56:42
triple6 - I was watching highlights of the Barcelona era with Messi-Suarez-Neymar. Klopp should sit down our attackers to watch those youtube clips lol they scored so many tap-in goals from just making the simple pass to their open team mate and they all smashed in loads of goals each.

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18 Sep 2021 23:48:35
I'd love to see us sign Haaland, but would concede that we would have to change our system to get the best out of him.

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18 Sep 2021 23:45:05
Naby had one tackle in the match. Thiago had none.
Anyways, in general there is too much psychoanalysis of our players and focus on what they can't do.

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18 Sep 2021 23:40:49
I've just spent a long time editing on PES lol are we talking I. Sarr, M. Sarr or P. Sarr?

assuming it's the Sarr who scored a brace! I wish we had signed him earlier, but it's hard to know how his development would have changed had he been on our bench. who knows?

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