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04 Feb 2022 19:52:25
Ed2 - Klopp's most recent presser he was asked about Fabio Carvalho and whether we'd go back for him. Part of Klopp's response was that obviously we are still interested, we'd be crazy not to. Just a couplee questions to understand - Are klopp's comments breaking some kind of tampering rule? And if so, what is about that comment that is considered a bad thing enough to have a rule against

I like that he talked relatively freely but just wondered what the implications are. Ta.


{Ed002's Note - No, not at all. Whether or not Liverpool will look to low ball Fulham on a pre-agreement of some type would be the concern as Liverpool cannot speak directly with the player - whilst other clubs can speak to him and can sign a binding pre-agreement with the player.}

1.) 04 Feb 2022 22:16:04
Ed002 I don’t know why we don’t just offer the fee we did on Monday Fulham accepted it then I don’t think they would turn it down because he could leave for a lot less abroad. Or do you feel Liverpool feel they don’t need to offer as much now they did have talks with him Monday did they not maybe with it going down to the wire on Monday he has said he still wants to come in the summer.

{Ed002's Note - That is not how Liverpool traditionally do business.}

2.) 05 Feb 2022 07:25:44
ed in theory, can Liverpool and fulham have a pre-agreement but then Fabio agree with a club abroad?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

3.) 05 Feb 2022 00:45:55
Ed002 regarding this Liverpool can speak to the players agent and make an agreement with them that the agent can agree with the player am I right? So is it not basically the same thing mate? Watched a thing between carra and nev and nev was told to speak with stevie at international duties so realistically if this all happens what is wrong with any other way of doing it?

{Ed002's Note - If it is the same thing then it is of course illegal and tapping up (yet again).}

4.) 05 Feb 2022 13:26:13
Pretty obvious he'll be signing on in the summer! don't be minding all the media clickbait about him and dis and dat club. Lfc are building a really exciting team of the future.

5.) 05 Feb 2022 13:33:18
Don't know what's hard to understand for some LFC fans and keep on repeating same stuff.

It's nothing to do with Fulham now, it's all in Fabio's hand if he wants to come here then he will be here it's simple as that. Signing pre contract with other clubs again it's nothing to do with Fulham it's all in Fabio's hand where he wants to go. LFC can't talk to him directly but can talk to he's agent as much as they want including the financial terms etc.

6.) 05 Feb 2022 16:14:50
carvalho will sign for dortmund.

{Ed077's Note - is that a prediction or a spoiler😁

7.) 05 Feb 2022 18:31:20
Given that he knows Liverpool want him and has previously agreed terms, for him to completely change plans and go to another side would be strange. If he did, it would be for money or may he game time but everything you read about Fabio suggests he isn't that type of person.

8.) 06 Feb 2022 03:01:00
Thanks for that edkopforever. Your knowledge is really helpful.

9.) 06 Feb 2022 10:52:42
Nice one kop. Very well explained brother.

10.) 06 Feb 2022 18:14:34
Every player will be 'tapped' up in this case. I bet most players, even in jest will say 'oh come and join us'.
I expect the clubs would not expect to ask players to do so as then yes that becomes an illegal approach. But I guess most players will know from rumours, media what players are linked.

11.) 08 Feb 2022 00:52:36
Tapping up is not illegal. Can you imagine the cells at Strangeways full of old football managers in orange tracksuits? ‘What you in for Harry? ’ ‘I spoke to Peter Odemwingie on WhatsApp and offered him 2 steak bakes and a vegan sausage roll if he signed for us. When he turned up Greggs was shut so I hid under my desk until the police arrived and arrested me for the most heinous of crimes. Tapping up’.



25 Apr 2021 00:39:50
Hi Ed2 - are you able to explain what Perez means by the ESL saving football. Was there a strategy plan for the ESL to support clubs outside the 12?


{Ed002's Note - What he means, as I have explained repeatedly over many years, is that football needs to decide what sort of restructuring is required. Putting aside any "breakaway" or counter proposal, my fears have always been the vast number of professional clubs there are in England well below the Premier League. I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. Previously I have said that the eventual "breakaway pan-European league" would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Now we have a situation that will change the financial paradigm and may make clubs and authorities look at the situation with lower tier sides regardless.

Financially I do not see that so many professional sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting their finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have eventually gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good (it would be two or perhaps three initially) or even separation from the Premier League and Championship.

Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again) like Bury. Recently Hartlepool has been struggling - again it needs to adapt. The mighty Third Lanark have started their long journey back to the top - it can be done. These are all proud clubs with a history.

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so whether the supporters of certain clubs like it or not. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, St James Park, Stamford Bridge or wherever. Fans of the sides who take the plunge will have the opportunity to visit cities such as Milan, Barcelona, Munich, etc. every couple of weeks to watch their team play. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match through the grim, wet and cobbled streets of the Northwest of England where there is smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street and only chips and fried curry to eat., perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so the Liverpool and Everton supporters can go and watch them?

This will be a case of getting with the game. I will try to refer to this as the "Post Apocalyptic Zombie Scenario" from now on.}

1.) 25 Apr 2021 09:05:23
Pint of wallop absolutely love that Ed you’d want to trade mark that it’s brilliant my friend!
1/ pint of wallop
2/ RTFP.

2.) 25 Apr 2021 09:28:27
Classic ed002 response so clinical and fascinating to read yet with a hint of comedy to make us chuckle
Up the pool.

3.) 25 Apr 2021 09:48:22
If there is little to no support for such restructuring from fans then can is realistically move forward and be a success? In the UK were already in another economic slide due to C.V. and being compounded further by Brexit, I don’t think the sort of money required to follow ones team with the structure you’re suggesting is there for most. Now if it was 90% sponsors/ affiliates/ etc attending I could well imagine that but it is an incredibly dystopian, ugly face of what football could be. I understand it is a business now but there are still huge swathes of fans who are very attached to their clubs, not to mention political considerations which may come into play (like involvement of national governments) if the uproar is significant enough. I would be surprised if such proposals and restructuring went ahead as, though there are wealthy individuals in favor of such things, there is little of any support from fans - I’m not sure I’ve heard much from anyone in favor, the closest I’ve heard is ‘we should join so we don’t get left behind’ but even those sentiments are rare.

I know your understanding of the game, and the ins and outs behind closed doors, are far superior to mine, but in this instance Ed I truly hope your predictions/ expectations are wrong.

All the best Ed, also thanks for the time and effort you spend giving us your knowledge, there has been a lot of talk and discussion recently and your insights are greatly appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with COVID-19 nor BREXIT. These proposals have been around since long before both. Whether the fans like it or not, more clubs will go out of business like Bury if nothing is done.}

4.) 25 Apr 2021 09:51:10
I know you are correct Ed and football must change. But what trophies will the elite sides play for? IMO after a couple of years of watching the same sides play each other the atmosphere will die. I might move more and more corporate but it will become totally boring.

{Ed002's Note - The "elite" group of clubs includes 21 sides so it won't be the same sides every week.}

5.) 25 Apr 2021 10:51:32
I’m inclined to agree with you Ed002 on this, I can see the benefits and disadvantages on both sides .
I don’t necessarily want it to happen but I’d rather Liverpool were in than out if it does.

6.) 25 Apr 2021 11:59:57
I don’t doubt a word of what ed2 says but it is heartbreaking to read. It seems as though the game has to be restructured because of the greed at the very top of the pyramid and I include UEFA and FIFA in that. Perez alluded to the fact that the big clubs are struggling financially but what I don’t understand is why they won’t just face the exact same fate in say another 20years, as surely all that will happen by generating more money is the players, agents, hangers on etc will all just demand more again and the same problems exists just with higher sums involved. That doesn’t seem to answer to the problem to me, just kicking the problem down the line to the detriment of the sport its self?

{Ed002's Note - Football has to naturally evolve, as it did with the Premier Leagues and Champions League.}

7.) 25 Apr 2021 13:29:39
And who exactly can afford milan on a Wednesday with Barcelona away on Saturday week in week out. It won't be long until it only home fans ie NFL.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect you don't understand the plan.}

8.) 25 Apr 2021 14:52:39
Thanks ed, regards your comment -

"I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 8 to 10 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA"

You've also. mentioned that the key difference between ESL and the elite 22 clubs is that ESL hasn't worked with UEFA. Can I assume then that if UEFA are at the table with the elite clubs, that they have a sense of inevitability that their time will be coming to an over the next decade? I just wonder what the purpose. of these clubs negotiating ei UEFA is if the end game is breaking them up.

{Ed002's Note - I think that is a reasonably fair description. UEFA coming to the table is with the obejective of being in control, or at the very least maintaining their position as the controlling body. But changes need to be made and this recent attempt falls far short of expectations and has dome more harm than good.}

9.) 25 Apr 2021 14:54:09
Also ed2, reminded myself to tell you this - I posted your detailed post about ESL to a fan page in NZ. One member replied back saying he went to Anfield regularly 40 years ago and never went cloth-capped. Lol I don't know what this means but thought I'd pass it on :p.

{Ed002's Note - It means he probably has loads of illegitimate if he failed to take protection.}

10.) 25 Apr 2021 16:51:47
I’ll be honest Ed. I’ve got no time for a pint of lukewarm wallop or whatever vile brown booze the campaign for real ale prefer for that matter, boring bearded trainspotters that they are. So I’m all for weekend trips to Bavaria, Turin, Milan, Budapest, Bruges, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Prague, Paris, Lyon, Milan, Rome, Madrid, etc when it eventually happens. Just needs to be done better than this last laughable effort.

11.) 25 Apr 2021 20:43:47
Newsflash! Fans will not put up with what Ed002 is talking about. We have just witnessed that. So let’s put that to bed.
I’m sure Eds 02 information is correct however that doesn’t mean it will happen. How can it? If there is some sort of European elite/ super / pan / bull league then fans will be marginalised or grouped into the few that can afford and the few that cannot.

Thanks for your very elitist view of the working class game Ed’s but your comments are out of of touch. The working class has evolved and just because we don’t wear cloth caps and drink a pint of wallop doesn’t mean that we don’t work for the week then walk to the game and have a pint on the way. This happens all over the country at every club week in week out.
The event this week prove your view of the fans the game are way off the mark.
Despite the best efforts of money and greed football remains the people game. Without the people there is no product no game.
So thank you sir but I think you need to re examine your theory.

{Ed002's Note - So what has happened to disprove what I have said?}

12.) 26 Apr 2021 04:08:55
I started going to matches in around 1959. The European Super League has been kicking around the boardroom since the mid-1960s.

In the time I’ve been a fan, society has changed enormously. If you look at what has happened with other social organisations, such as social clubs and hobby clubs and churches they’ve had to adapt or go bust. All organisations have followed similar paths. We no longer tolerate sleepy little organisations that scrape by on charity or luck – everything is properly commercialised. The pattern repeats all over society… to simplify it, if a club needs 100 active members to be viable, two clubs with 80 members will be forced to merge – but the new organisation won’t have 160 members because a significant number won’t follow the new organisation. In essence the choices diminish at the same time as tickets/ membership gets dearer.
The football business model is entirely different, but the outcomes are similar.
When we were forced to go all seater, the days of wandering up every other Saturday and paying three bob to see a match (15p for you youngsters) went for ever. Instead of a damp step, there was a plastic seat and instead of pence it became pounds to use that same space. Last time I went to a game it cost best part of £30 to sit where the boys pen used to be and I used to pay 9d (4.5p) to watch from there.
The football team I went as a lad to see and support became a real force – then it became a brand – then became an International big deal brand; And although my support is unquestionable and always will be – it’s hard to find much “Liverpool” about Liverpool FC
Instead of local Dad and Lads being the main fan base, it’s now the clubs international fan base that the clubs serve. The population churn under Mrs T resulted in people going where the jobs were. So now there are more of us supporters that live outside the city than are in the city.

The international fan base for teams like Liverpool and Man Utd dwarfs the UK based fan numbers and ultimately are more important financially to the clubs.
I’m priced out. I can’t afford to go to games now, but there are so many people to take my place. People who can afford to buy the expensive corporate hospitality deals, Fans have moaned about the day-trippers to Anfield and Old Trafford for decades, but that is a huge income stream – and the “Anfield Experience” fan is probably the future.
If anyone thinks that the movers and shakers of football MUST take notice of fans wishes, you are sadly mistaken. This year’s Training Ground Premiership shows that they can to a bigger degree than you’d think get by without the diehard match going fans.
Football is a business; the Americans consider them franchises and milk them for everything they can. And the thing that not many people have noticed is that the franchise is for a competitor’s place in a League, NOT for a team from a specific town or city. If the owners consider that there is some strategic advantage in moving the franchise to another city – They will. It’s been done several times in the USA and although the financial set-up was different, Wimbledon moved to become MK Dons.

Fan ownership is an attractive option, but how would that happen? And why? Some of us considered this when Hicks and Gillette were the owners. We couldn’t see how it could be done mostly because a lot of people would not be able to afford to buy a share.
Short of some sort of government sponsored compulsory purchase, how are the fans going to get control?
Wimbledon fans did it, reclaimed their club and got it climbing the pyramid. United of Manchester and AFC Liverpool are promising start-ups and probably the only way that fans could control their hometown club – but that will take decades….

13.) 26 Apr 2021 11:36:44
The world categorically said no to a super league through protests, governments and media outlets. Within 48 hours the computation was announced and retracted.

Surely the only feasible conclusion is that this (or anything like it) will not happen as a project.

Football as a whole may need to change and adapt but not like this. The answer will and should never be that the smaller clubs become even more obsolete tim they already are and richer clubs should get richer. That would be just be rubbish. A decision based on greed.
If it is to be shaken up it should be to keep as many clubs involved as possible. A bottom up approach. Because you know what. It means something to communities not 50 years ago. Now. It’s something that gives people an identity a focus. Something to bloody do!

14.) 26 Apr 2021 12:57:28
In my opinion the only reason the super league isn’t going through is because the clubs decided that the immediate consequences were worse than the potential gains they intended to make. Ed talks of a completely different culture to where we are today. He talks of a time when people hop around the continent watching their team week in week out this time is not aimed at us. The owners aren’t interested in the race to the bottom that the current set of fans demand. They will alienate and push and through the passage of time there will be less and less of the previous generation of fan until all that it left are the ones that can afford what they want to sell us. They will break away they will not care about being banned from the premier league they will create something that they want and they have learned the cards that uefa and fifa and the fa and the government hold. They know now that they will fight it and what means they will use to fight it. Once the clubs spoken about join the super league the people that stay will be the ones you can go and support if you want to see the lads with a pint of wallop the team name might be Merseyside reds or tranmere but that’s what will be left for you if you do not stick with what’s on offer from lfc. The owners will not care. The protests won’t matter. Being kicked out the premier league won’t matter. No traditional fans in the stadium won’t matter. It will be a different sport but the old one will be available to you in the form of whatever is left behind and picking a club from that.

15.) 26 Apr 2021 13:46:04
How can any of your post hold any weight when we have just seen a prime minister, managers and players, fans and pundits all reject it. You have clearly learned nothing from the past week. Club owners don’t get to decide the fate of football and there is no appetite for an elite European league. Why? Because most fans cannot afford the money or the time to go trudging around Europe on a weekly basis!
How are you still convinced football will go this way. The question is been emphatically answered with a resounding NO! Up the pint of wallop!

16.) 27 Apr 2021 00:45:25
The point is that there is more than enough money in football for everyone to have a space at the table. The fact that the few don't want to share with the many is a very old story that continues to this day.

Ed.002, everything you say has a good chance of coming true, I don't doubt it. The problem is, the way you present it is as if there is not enough to go around. Suggesting that there is no way way half of the clubs in the UK can survive. They could if we shared more. You are at times brutally honest about us fans, how about that same acerbic withering wit of yours being directed at this. They (those at the top table, boardrooms, Uefa, FIFA, Elite, etc. ) are in it for themselves. Not the development of football.

As I say, I don't doubt what you say. I appreciate the Information. I do think you are coming at this from a certain angle though. Thank you.

17.) 27 Apr 2021 08:27:55
Redman - your lack of vision is a little embarrassing here man. All that happened is that they learned. They've learned that they won't be allowed to partially break away so they need to be prepared with a full new league. They've learned that they need to get major broadcasters signed up before announcing to temper the barrage of criticism. They've learned that they need to have a more polished proposal locked down. Maybe that waiting until uefa piss everyone off first before announcing anything. They will do it again, and again and again if need be until eventually the backlash just isn't there.

18.) 27 Apr 2021 15:17:01
The ESL will come. It is only a matter of when not if. The maths say so. Currently LFC and others can expect about £250m to £300m for winning the EPL and the champions league for TV companies.
We have depending on who you ask somewhere between 100million and 600 million fans worldwide. Similar figures are estimated for Utd Barca, Real Madrid, and most of the other dirty dozen clubs. On that basis LFC v Man U could attract easily 500million tv fans worldwide. At £10 per viewer via pay per view this would bring in £5 billion pounds for one game. This is what will happen in the future and why none of the greedy owners will sell at the moment
I also believe quite frighteningly that if too much pressure is brought to hear to stop it, the owners will just move the club's to places which will accept it. LFC to Boston, Utd to Tampa Bay Arsenal to L. A. for example.

{Ed001's Note - they won't be moved any time soon, that is not going to happen.}

19.) 27 Apr 2021 21:27:03
Hjikle the only lack of vision or grasp of reality was that of Perez and the other snakes. They embarrassed themselves in front of a world audience.
I think what Perez and maybe you possibly Ed’s 02 fail to grasp is that football does in fact have a soul. it belongs to the fans.
Ed2 jokes (I hope ) about the good old days. They still exists in an evolved modern day form. This is the basis on which the game is built and makes money from. The working masses make up the money which is pumped into the game. The owners and broadcasters make the profits but without the blessing and participation of the fans their product has zero value.
If there is anything to learn it’s that a handful old white wealthy men don’t get decide what happens to the game.
Of course there will be variations and evolutions to competitions but not a cull anywhere near the magnitude of what has been proposed. I really hope the opposite happens and other models are looked at to keep as many clubs as possible competitive and secure.
It’s interesting that the German clubs wanted nothing to do with it.

20.) 28 Apr 2021 00:31:56
Redman football does not belong to the fans and it hasn’t for the last 30 years or more. This breakaway will happen as soon as they can get all of their ducks in a row.
There will be a backlash from the working class fans and others but do you know what? They won’t care because it’s those fans they are trying to get rid of.
They don’t want the types that have that pint of ‘wallop’ on the way to the match and a pie at half time. They want the types who can spend hundreds if not thousands on a hospitality ticket and spend fortunes in the club shop.
This isn’t new it’s been happening for years in front of our eyes! We all loved the redevelopment of Anfield but that was done to get more hospitality seating.
Like Ed says it’s big business now and you either move with the times or find another team to support.

{Ed0666's Note - there’s are plenty of working class that can afford the hospitality tickets that will boycott football once this breakaway league happens. I’m not ashamed to admit that lately every time I’ve been to Anfield to watch the game (pre-pandemic) I’ve watched from hospitality because let’s face it it’s a more enjoyable experience but that won’t stop me from walking away from football once the lunatics take over the asylum. And I’ve been a Liverpool fan going on 45 odd years. Have been home and away all over Europe to watch my team. The point I’m making is don’t be too sure football doesent lose major gravitas once the breakaway league transpires because there will be a lot of disillusioned fans who would walk away than see their beloved sport prosituted.

21.) 28 Apr 2021 17:20:13
You explained it better than I did Ed’s football will loose gravitas.
If the product is messed with to much it becomes less valuable. Your right Becker football doesn’t belong to the fans but we are it’s customers. It’s logical that customers need to be kept happy to keep buying.
The large majority of society and football fans are working and lower middle class who don’t have thousands to spend on football. Collectively we make football worth billions hence the reason fan power is stronger than many on here think.
Terms like “move with the times” or football needs to evolve” is just another way of saying make the owners and broadcasters more money. I don’t think we should have it! Football should evolve for the right reasons not those based on greed.



19 Oct 2020 12:13:28
ed2 - when a club loses a player for a number of months and potentially the season, do they have the option to kind of de-register them to free up a roster space?


{Ed002's Note - Unless they have space in their squad, he cannot be replaced until January - they cannot deregister him until January. There are no HG free agents available that would even come close to the likes of Williams and Phillips. It is an unfortunate injury, clubs have to deal with things like this all of the time.}

1.) 19 Oct 2020 12:51:22
If we can’t cope with a player being injured, leading player or not, then we have issues bigger than VVD.

2.) 19 Oct 2020 16:30:22
Glass half full is that Alisson is back in training and should be back soon, having a top class keeper behind Matip and Gomez will make a huge difference. As for Prickford, hopefully karma will even itself out on him.

3.) 19 Oct 2020 23:41:56
Ok so I think we need to be logical about VVDs injury. Last season we won the league by 18 points. Is his absence going to lose us that many points. Probably not. But he’s a massive loss and others have to step up to the plate. I hate to say it, but in united’s hay day that’s what their players did regularly. Klopp will find way.

4.) 20 Oct 2020 02:29:54
Thanks ed was just interested to know as they do have this provision in american sports.

5.) 20 Oct 2020 10:29:05
lakes4 - we didn't start the season with an 18 point head start.

6.) 20 Oct 2020 15:23:02
That's the whole idea behind a squad of 25, isn't it? And to build a squad of 25 (not just 11) that is as cohesive and similar in quality as possible, so that there's no let down when injuries happen. ManC did just fine without De Bruyne one season, and without Laporte the other. And Aguero is not fit half the time. Suck it up and move forward. Let the chips fall where they may.

7.) 21 Oct 2020 05:33:14
ArAy . but theh didn't do just give without Laporte, they lost 8 or 9 games and finishes 18 points adrift of us, . They needed to take fernandinho into the back and thus losing out in his midfield strenghts, I hope we don't suffer from Fabinho possibly being unavailable to play his best role every week.

8.) 21 Oct 2020 09:35:20
Agreed Har_red. But they came in second, and were still a potent force during the season. I suspect you're going to see a title winner with at least 8-9 loses this year. Compressed shorter season, no home-field advantage to speak of, players in and out due to catching c. v., and the usual injuries. I don't see how any team can play consistently in the face of such havoc and disruption.

9.) 23 Oct 2020 06:07:53
That is fairly true, I can't argue with the points you've made there.



14 Aug 2020 12:15:11
eds - echo quoted a club source who denied that the club had been in contact with bayern regards Thiago. part of the rationale they gave was that the club wouldn't want to pay a transfer fee for a player they could sign for free in a year. my question is, for any club wanting to sign Thiago this year, wouldn't they also negotiate an extension to his current contract? it seems like he wants to leave Bayern now, so if another club picked him sure they would be wanting to have him sign a multi year deal? otherwise what other club would pay a transfer fee for potentially a one year rental!?


{Ed002's Note - Thiago doesn't want to extend his contract. I don't get your point about a one year rental.}

1.) 14 Aug 2020 13:07:48
Once Thiago leaves Bayern he will no longer have a contract with Bayern. He’ll have a new contract at his new club, which I’m sure won’t be for a year. It will be negotiated when Bayern allow somebody to speak to him and it’ll likely be 3-4 years, allowing the buying club to get the remaining top years out of the player and the player to have the chance of extending or leaving for yet another club for one last hurrah, maybe the Middle East, Far East, America or Italy.

By that point he has little resale value, will have declined physically making him less suited to certain ways of playing, will have cost a lot of money in wages and transfer fees and potentially suffered from further injuries which are creeping into his career. Hence why somebody at Liverpool is rightly wary.

2.) 14 Aug 2020 19:39:13
Hi eds, can one of confirm if we are actually in for Thiago or not?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - RTFP. I have explained over and over the situation.}

3.) 14 Aug 2020 21:08:07
Evening Ed002 - Are you by any chance asking Redman 1 to listen to the Ross Tucker Football Podcast?

Just a small theory I’m working on 😁.

{Ed002's Note - F on't know what that is so I guess not.}

4.) 14 Aug 2020 23:13:52
ed2 - the question is, if Bayern sell thiago this summer, would the purchasing club also be negotiating a new contract for him that extends beyond the year he has left on his current contract? I'm asking the question because the echo rationale for Liverpool not wanting to buy Thiago is because the club don't want to buy a player whose contract is going to end in a year. I didn't understand their rational as it wouldn't seem to make sense for any club to spend money on a transfer who is going to become a FA in a year. that's the one year rental bit. happens in NBA all the time.

{Ed002's Note - I truly think you are completely confused about transfers. I have no idea what the Echo has said but if Liverpool want the player next year they can legally approach him next January. The length of his contract is unrelated to any club that buys him. So if Liverpool were to buy him they would look for a three to four year deal and would need to pay Bayern Munich an agreed fee.}

5.) 15 Aug 2020 00:24:46
Faithibworks you are after getting confused by what you read.

Whenever somebody transfers to a new club they sign a new contract with that club. What the echo mean is that Liverpool don't see value in spending €30m on a 29 year who could be a free agent in 10/ 11 months if he didn't leave Bayern this summer.

In reality, it seems more likely that Thiago will leave Bayern this summer so then he wouldn't be a free agent in 10/ 11 months. It's a case of which club will pay Bayern about €30m and Thiago to agree a contract with them. or maybe us, we'll have to wait and see.

6.) 15 Aug 2020 06:41:08
right, that's all I was after. Didn't need the carry on. Sean Ireland - I think you are right, I misinterpreted that bit about him being free in a year's time. I understood that for all transfers, the player would sign a new contract, hence the confusion in what I thought I'd read in the echo. Having said that, if Thiago says he wants to leave Bayern for anywhere now, then that would be the rationale to spend money on him this year because he won't be free in 12 months time by virtue of being at another club!

7.) 15 Aug 2020 09:23:11
Exactly ya 👍.

8.) 15 Aug 2020 09:35:14
Exactly ya 👍.

9.) 16 Aug 2020 03:16:19
We paid a higher fee to sign AOC when he was into his last year. We got nearly 12 mil for 31 yr old lovren with him available for free next year. 25mil would be good business to get thiago this year, why wait another year and lose out on a season where he could be a key player, this isn't huge money to be saying it can't be a wise investment.



12 Apr 2020 22:38:56
Ed2 - interested if you can share any info about how COVID-19 and its effect on the economy has altered how transfer negotiations are held? For instance, I just read a headline regarding Kane and Spurs holding out for 200mil. I'm not interested in that rumour but in how a normal discussion about transfer fees might be happening now? Can they even discuss figures right now!?


{Ed002's Note - Transfers this summer will split into (a) those already agreed and completed subject to paperwork (e.g. Hakim Ziyech (Ajax to Chelsea), Nicolo Barella (Cagliari to Inter Milan), Alvaro Morata (Chelsea to Atletico Madrid) and Trincao (Braga to Barcelona)); (b) the transfers several cash rich clubs would like to get over the line if possible (e.g. Mbappe, Sanco, Martinez, Pogba, Havertz etc.) although people will try and negotiate reductions in the cost of overall packages (e.g. Sancho); (c) there are the then the higher-profile clubs that will need to horse trade by looking to spread out payments if they can, include players in sales or have the sell to buy (e.g. Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid and Barcelona are good examples; (d) the more run of the mill transfers where players are recruited to gain improvements in the sides, replace retiring and out of contract players etc..

You will certainly see less movement and less spend in the lower tiers as the money won't be there. Many will look to sell a player or two to the higher leagues to keep themselves out of trouble (e.g. Brad Young (G) has a move from Billingham Town to a Premier League side agreed already). And many PL and Championship sides are once again looking at players from the lower tiers.

In terms of transfer fees, we will still see a few very expensive transfers, you will see players having to stay where they are for another year, you will see efforts to reduce overall costs particularly agent fees - and across mainland Europe you will see even more horse trading than normal.}




Faithinworks's banter posts with other poster's replies to Faithinworks's banter posts


17 Jun 2022 00:58:05
We don't need a midfielder this summer. There, said it.
Carvalho can play midfield as well

that is more than strong enough to start the season and provide flexibility to cover gaps throughout the season.


1.) 17 Jun 2022 02:32:29
I think a new midfielder is a want rather than a need. Personally I think it’s time to sell Keita and replace him but that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen so what we have should be strong enough to have another successful season.

2.) 17 Jun 2022 05:43:55
Not a single name bar Fabinho is positional disciplined to play the holding role.
Are you seriously counting Keita and OX ???.

3.) 17 Jun 2022 06:24:23
Ox ?, no one mentioned Ox, embarrassing as usual.

4.) 17 Jun 2022 07:04:41
Not many goals coming from the midfielders we have lads. Teams who had success against us last season did so by stopping the front 3 and denying Tiago time to run the show. Someone like Otavio from Porto would be my pick, playing on the right of Fab would be ideal.

5.) 17 Jun 2022 07:07:22
Champions league semi final coming up, Thiago is injured and so is Hendo, are you still just as confident with our midfield options? Taking into account Elliot, Fabio, Curtis and Morton still play at the U21 level or younger, and that our senior options with the exception of Fabinho tend to get injured pretty regularly I would say we are a little short.

6.) 17 Jun 2022 07:33:13
There is enough depth and flexibility in that group to not make a panic buy this summer.

7.) 17 Jun 2022 07:33:57
Jones, Elliott and Carvalho do not play u21's at club level. They've all been playing senior football for 2-3 seasons. Weird statement.

8.) 17 Jun 2022 08:19:38
Faithworks who’s panic buying mate. The window has literally just opened and if we do buy a midfielder then it definitely won’t be because we are panicking!

9.) 17 Jun 2022 03:31:16
Where is OX. still on our books. Ed any idea if any one seriously looking to buy him and we are not asking too much.
just for sake of his career I hope he gets a move this summer and w get some $.

{Ed002's Note - Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (CM/RW) AOC is uncomfortable with his lack of game time and options are being sought by his agent. May look to run his contract down which will open up options. WHU and Aston Villa may provide options. Newcastle may provide another as they struggle to attract players.}

10.) 17 Jun 2022 09:12:40
Longthing - people talking like we have no midfielders and we need to just go get someone in now. I disagree. Plenty of cover and we can afford to wait to get the player we want. If they become available now then cool, but doesn’t seem to be the case. Anyways, will roll with whatever the transfer team do, but not worried about the midfield at all.

11.) 17 Jun 2022 09:56:11
My concern about Morton is he was used to cover Fab in 2020/ 21 but rarely, if at all, in 2021/ 22.

He is the only tailor-made DMF alternative in the current squad. However, he has taken a backwards step, instead of pushing on. Maybe this is his breakthrough season?

Henderson can do a job there, so can Milly but I am not confident any of the 3 can do a job week in, week out at the business end of the season.

{Ed001's Note - no mate, it was not that he took a backwards step, it is that the desperate need for him to play there no longer existed last season. It is not actually his position, it was just an attempt to shoehorn a talent into the team where there was a gap and hope it pays off ala Trent at right-back.}

12.) 17 Jun 2022 11:56:02
OP, I disagree. We need cover for Fab.

13.) 17 Jun 2022 11:57:12
Everyone moaning about a lack of goals from midfield, it is by design. Our midfielders play a more disciplined and controlling role allowing freedom for full backs max wide forwards. I wonder with the introduction of Elliott and carvalho whether there will be a change to allow for more flair and forward runners from midlfield.

I think if everyone stays fit our midfield is fine, but there is an over reliance on Fabinho and Henderson for those defensive duties. We do not need to panic though. I wonder whether Jones might be tired deeper and coached into a more rounded cm?

Eds what are your thoughts on Morton…. do you think he is good enough and also able to play the DM role?

14.) 17 Jun 2022 12:23:43
StEtienne Looking at Morton’s stats he didn’t make a single first team appearance in 20/ 21. He made 11 appearances for us in 21/ 22 mate.

15.) 17 Jun 2022 13:52:36
If the guy we want for the midfield isn't available now, are people saying that we are so desperate to find cover for Fabinho that we should commit 10s of millions to a player we don't really want? I know it isn't as simple as that, but this is essentially the dilemma.

I suppose the other alternative is that Ward finds a way to commit funds to bring in the midfielder we want now but we all know there is less chance of that happening.

I just don't think we need to bring someone in, imo it isn't a critical gap in the squad right now.

16.) 17 Jun 2022 14:55:10
Faith, I'm not for that either, bro. I hope we get cover for Fab and if that is not possible then, we move on and go with what we've got.

17.) 17 Jun 2022 15:11:25
Don’t forget we’ve got Bobby, Trent and Matip that should all play In midfield ?.



09 Jun 2022 12:17:42
quick fire questions for any of the eds:

Reckon this might be the year you guys finally put up sticky posts with quick info on players - may save Ed2 some work lol

Can you please confirm the Nunez signing (kidding, don't answer this one :) )


1.) 09 Jun 2022 14:26:10
I thought the same a few years ago, but then I quickly realised that people wouldn't even read the very first post on the homepage before asking for the exact same info so ????????.

2.) 09 Jun 2022 16:28:16
Maybe have it like a ticker tape at the top, could have a few 'headline' posts or snippets cycle round. Although I'm not too sure if enough would wait, but I know I would.

Personally, this site is the only one I trust for anything liverpool related and nothing comes close.

On a side note ed001, I know it caused some division at the time but do you know if macca still visits the site?

{Ed001's Note - I don't sorry.}

3.) 10 Jun 2022 03:39:25
Hey, how come my first question about Macca was deleted from the OP by WYred's question about macca was included? Ed discretion!?

Hard to know until it's tried. Like we don't really know if people would seek out a pinned post before asking because it doesn't exist! I used to crack up at trying to find info about Allan using the search function and would get millions of posts about Lallana hahaha.



01 Jun 2022 22:15:50
I’m in the group that would be fine with Mo being sold or let go for free. Actually Inwoild have been ok if he was sold last summer haha

But this outrage over the last 24 hours online is crazy man. I actually thought the trauma from the 30 year drought had ended but I see it is triggered very easily and the Daily Mail have tapped into it by re-quoting Mo from a 1:1 interview he did weeks ago. Which goes to show that people don’t even read these articles because of you read or even if you watched the interview then you’d recognise the quotes now.

Pretty despicable how The Fail have exploited Liverpool fans but I guess we’re an easy target as we’re always hungry for news!


1.) 01 Jun 2022 22:51:35
Gave the Fail far too much credit. Those quotes are from an interview Mo did in October and he definitely didn’t say anything about joining a rival PL club.

Come on guys, might be a good time to reassess your mindfulness and self care routine for the next couple months 😀😀.

2.) 01 Jun 2022 23:41:47
He’s not signed a new contract, the two parties are poles apart and he’s one year left. He’s not going to sign, best thing is to sell and move on.

3.) 01 Jun 2022 23:52:12
I agree VVV. We have to be very smart and shrewd in our recruiting or we can't sustain long term success. My fear is that we will become Dortmund. A decent club, but no real chance of winning anything. No disrespect to them intended.

4.) 02 Jun 2022 00:26:34
Who do we sell to and for how much?
Do we just tell clubs that they need to buy Salah and for how much because we don't want to honour his contract? Do we tell Salah that he has to go even if another club might not be able to afford his wages?
What does this say about Liverpool Football Club?

{Ed0666's Note - it says that we aren’t prepared to be held to ransom and won’t be manipulated into offering a 2 year extension on terms that the club feels that is beyond what they want to pay.

5.) 02 Jun 2022 01:56:38
Faith, the story was from James Pearce in the Athletic. So there’s some grain of truth in it and I’ll wager very heavily that his agent has been floating these stories.

All in all, we have to find a buyer as a free transfer is unpalatable given we run hand to mouth.

6.) 02 Jun 2022 02:17:41
So our model right now is helping us win trophies and to be competitive year on year.

7.) 02 Jun 2022 02:37:56
@VVVV, for the love of God will you stop just guessing what might happen and passing it off as fact - it’s getting really boring.

Unless you have been involved directly in the negotiations between the club and Mo’s representatives you have no knowledge how far apart the are - leave alone the emotional ‘poles apart’.

Unless you have had a direct conversation with Salah you have no idea if he is going to sign another contract or not.

In terms of getting rid of him now that pre-supposes anybody will offer the club enough money to let him go. He is still f value to Liverpool in the 2022-23 season if he has a feast and comes back mentally and physically refreshed. The club, for instance, might want him there whilst they bring through a replacement gradually next season like Elliot or Carvalho or Dembele or Nunez or anybody else we might chose to sign.

Of course, as ever, we are all entitled to our opinion but opinion isn’t necessarily fact.

8.) 02 Jun 2022 02:50:33
VVVV - if he is motivated to earn his next contract, at whichever club, then it can be the best thing to keep him.

9.) 02 Jun 2022 02:51:59
VVVV - yes but that doesn't equate to Mo saying he is threatening to go and sign for a rival PL club, which isn't what he said.

10.) 02 Jun 2022 06:12:50
‘Feast’ was meant to say ‘rest’ although I suppose he might enjoy a good feast too 😉.

11.) 02 Jun 2022 06:43:25
Story appeared on the Internet so it must be 100 per cent the truth.
Add in some misinterpretation and doom mongering and before you know it you've got skewed perceptions of a player and club that this time last week were the greatest things on the planet.
it never ceases to amaze me how folks read these articles and swallow them hook line and sinker then use that turn on a player/ the club.
It makes some funny reading though!

12.) 02 Jun 2022 07:57:18
James Pearce lost credibility a while ago and is not so close to the club anymore.

13.) 02 Jun 2022 07:58:12
I think James Pearce isn’t going to write something without there being some grain of truth to it. His story quoted “sources close to the footballer”, which means his agent.

Salah has been great for us, but we’re at the same stage we were with Gini where there’s no breakthrough in sight and all the sounds coming out from the player and his agent are that there’s no common ground on agreeing a new contract.

Given that we work on a hand to mouth basis, we literally need a transfer fee for him to help replace him. A free transfer isn’t going to help us do that, sell now, get a transfer fee, kill off the circus that his agent is trying to create, get a suitable replacement and move on. Club will still be here if we sell him.

{Ed001's Note - quoting "sources close to the footballer" means his source is a friend, which means nothing. How many of your friends have a clue what you will do? When they say something like that, it means nothing.}

14.) 02 Jun 2022 08:48:05
" sources close to the footballer", could also be HP,
Daddie's or Worcestershire Sauce. The footballer obviously
prefers a "MINTED" Sauce.

Viera of Porto will smash all Salah's records, will be
"Fabio" for us, Exceptional Talent and Left Footed also.

15.) 02 Jun 2022 08:53:25
"Sources close to the footballer" = "we just made it up out of desperation for clicks".
My nephew recently got his degree in journalism and occasionally writes "articles" for one of the tabloids, and he'll tell you himself that if you've got no story to headline they are told to "get creative". And the main reason for that is they know that every club has a section of fans who will believe almost everything they read and will keep coming back for more. Even when it's proved to be utter crap very quickly.

16.) 02 Jun 2022 09:12:18
VVVV you’re completely missing the point - we know the exact interview that these quotes have come from and his words have been used to suit a headline.

17.) 02 Jun 2022 16:27:23
VVVV, are you that naive or do you have an agenda? Journos use players quotes, chop them up and create a headline based on whatever narrative they want to push or didn't you know that prior? Also, You do know that for 3 years, people who claim to know Salah personally (even ex Egypt internationals like Abbutrika), have been talking porkies about how he is unhappy at LFC, wants to go to RM, PSG or wherever just to drive a wedge between him and the fans and the club

Suddenly you pick up on some rando interview he gave where he said nothing about going to a rival club or City specifically, and now talking with all types of chest like you know what is going on. You don't and neither does any of us posting on here so chill out, man.

18.) 02 Jun 2022 09:04:58
0666, I don't think we should be held to ransom. If he doesn't want to sign an extension that's up to him. Withdraw the extension that was offered.
If a club comes in with an offer that suits the club and Salah, sell him. It's not that simple though, is it? Big wages and only year left on his contract?
If someone did come in for him, prepared to pay his wages and a transfer fee you can bet the fee wouldn't be enough to placate the fans on the forum. We've already heard the same about Mane.
And we're left looking for a replacement with Salah before next season.

{Ed0666's Note - surely we’d have to listen to an offer of around 50 million plus for Salah? But for continuity I’d rather keep him one more season even if we lose him for nothing next season.



15 May 2022 13:05:43
just cos I like to think about how to improve. should we win the Champions League then for the 2022/ 23 season we will have the opportunity to play in every game available and go for an unprecedented Septet (incl Charity Shield, Super Cup and CWC) .

Imagine :)

Now beig.


1.) 15 May 2022 13:25:13
There’s no CWC this season I believe.

2.) 15 May 2022 13:33:35
Settle for winning our next game on Tuesday!



25 Apr 2022 13:15:07
No issues with deep lying defensive teams playing for opportunities on the break. But so obviously time wasting within 15 minutes. What a joke and they should be embarrassed. 2-0 was probably apt on balance, but it was the kind of game, and they were the kind of opponent you wanted to hang for our 5 on.


1.) 25 Apr 2022 16:29:55
Everton stopped having any shame years ago, OP.

2.) 25 Apr 2022 17:36:09
I don't think Everton did anything wrong, the time-wasting is egregious but it's allowed and the responsibility is on the governing powers to do something about it.

And there are options, of course. Using a non-continuous clock that stops when the ball goes out of play would disincentivize most of the time-wasting and would not appreciably change the game otherwise, provided they reduce the time per half.

Having referees actually enforce the rules is another option. Goalkeepers can only hold the ball for six seconds, and they sometimes do thirty. It would not be hard to fix this! Teams would get in line very quickly if you started penalizing it.

Same for when players kick the ball away when it's not theirs after getting called for a foul or throw-in, or when they step up to the ball after a free kick awarded to the other team? Why is any of this tolerated? It's such a normal part of the game, but it causes significant delays and reduces fun offensive moments by allowing defenses to regain their shape, which is why they do it. But it's so obvious that everyone does it, it's bad for the game, and it's not allowed! So just start hitting people with yellow cards early and often, and after we have a couple games that finish 9v9, the behavior will stop. Won't even take long.

I saw Atwell go over to make a ball that wasn't touching the corner semicircle be moved two centimeters. Maybe try enforcing stuff that matters, globally.

3.) 25 Apr 2022 18:22:33
AP. Time-wasting is cheating. Hence why it carries a booking if deemed excessive. And as for not doing anything wring. Diving, trying to get players booked, harassing officials and even giving knowing winks and jabs into their badge after gamesmanship are all what could be called wrong. Richarlson is a cheat. Plain and simple. The crowd had Peter Reid in. Now I know he's from a bygone era but would he be impressed with the tactics they enforced? I'd like to think not. Will to win is one thing, getting decisions go your way is also but cheating? That's entirely different.

4.) 25 Apr 2022 18:31:26
Sorry AP I just got the gist of your post.

5.) 25 Apr 2022 19:51:49
All good.

With all kinds of rules, there are things allowed, and then things allowed*. Diving, time-wasting, and such is right now part of the unwritten part of the game, and I firmly believe it doesn't have to be.

The reason I don't blame Everton is because in their shoes, I would do the same thing. People mock them for time-wasting from the first whistle, but this is mathematically correct-- if you're against a vastly superior side, you want to shorten the game at every opportunity.

We can't expect players not to do things that they can get away with, just like we can't expect rich people to voluntarily pass on tax loopholes. But we can change rules and step up enforcement to fix these things and be more nimble in the response.

Some of the stuff like faking injuries does go into an unethical bucket because it makes all players less safe when you do that. But something like time-wasting, eh, it is genuinely part of the game, and if really shouldn't be, and I think people should be righteously p. ed at the authorities who make and enforce the rules rather than at Pickford who, from a completely justifiable perspective, was doing the right thing. And I say this as someone who texted my mate after the match that "Everton's tactics make them a deserving relegation side. " I don't think my positions are inconsistent.

6.) 25 Apr 2022 20:57:47
Very few teams i have ever watched use time wasting from the first minute. I get that late in a game that these "tactics" are used maybe if you're hanging on to a result but not like Everton yesterday. That was ridiculous but in the end they got what they deserved.

7.) 26 Apr 2022 00:11:37
Heard a stat on from yesterdays game that out of the whole first half including stoppage the ball was only in active play for 28 minutes, now I know that some of that time was legitimate throw ins etc given Everton only had barely 15% possession that’s some shocking time wasting! I agree with lots of the posters you can’t blame Everton for there tactics as had they tried to play football I reckon a 5-0 drubbing would have been on the cards all day long and big frank admitted as much in his post match comments. My issue like many others is with the ref, booking Pickford earlier in the match for time wasting would have sped play up and what has happened to awarding indirect free kicks against keepers who don’t release the ball within the rules of the game? I actually enjoy Everton being in the league as I love the derby game but yesterday truely tested my resolve.

8.) 26 Apr 2022 01:13:19
I heard them (tv guys) say that only 28 minutes of actual football play took place in those 48 or 49 minutes of the first half. I don't know what the average is but wasting approximately 50% of the allotted time can't be just swept under the carpet, just because many are doing it. When does it become too much? Where's the limit?

9.) 26 Apr 2022 16:14:49
The ball is normally in play just under 60 minutes. So knocking the first half down to 28 minutes is a good win for time-wasting. You would absolutely want to do this as a big underdog.




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25 Jun 2022 23:57:25
I’ve been advocating to sell Mo a season guy when the price was highest. . . But this isn’t great timing now imo especially after having sold Mane. Really don’t think losing the top 2 front that group is ideal prep for the new season. Much rather let him go for free.




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25 Jun 2022 23:54:39
What does “get shot down by those who repeat the business doing mantra” mean

I don’t know anything about Otavio but cool if his style suits klopp.


{Ed002's Note - I have explained about him before.}



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14 Jun 2022 05:33:01
A few weeks ago we weren’t holding our breathe on Nunez. Just saying.




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12 Jun 2022 02:48:08
Ok thanks Ed! Regards Mane, is that irreparable? I’m imagining that repairable might look like keep Mane for the season and letting him go free like Mo?




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12 Jun 2022 01:41:39
Ed2 is it viable for the club to keep Mane and sign Nunez? Would that just mean trying to recoup money through other sales and loan from owners?


{Ed002's Note - Perhaps, but Liverpool have screwed Mane around.}




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26 Jun 2022 03:12:56
Triple6 - correction, there are currently exactly 1254 threads about it midfield … ??

Regards Ox, I think he stays as midfield cover. And I hope it happens Andy he also gets game time.


{Ed0666's Note - I’m excited by the Octavio links. My buddy in Portugal thinks he’s an extremely underrated player. Probably all osier talk but if we do buy him someone will leave.



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26 Jun 2022 03:22:07
I think we’ve played the Mo situation well. He’s altar said in public that he will be at Liverpool next season. Call him on it, he should be motivated to earn his next contact and the individual homies he craves. Maybe it will translate to him actually turning up in crunch time for us. Then let him walk away a hero.

I really thinks there is room for sentimentally and we don’t need to be so worried about having to get money back before he goes on a free. Imagine if he helped us win another 3 trophies next season? I find that far more realistic than thinking we will bring in a replacement for him this summer and be as competitive for trophies. In fact I think we should avoid losing ano and Mane in the same window at all costs. More important than Amon actually signing an extension imo lol.




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26 Jun 2022 03:17:30
I really don’t see the issue. Let him go for free. Sure we could sell him this summer and get some money but to lose him and Mane in the same window, imo, would put us back a step. Let him run riot this season trying to get his last big contact at whichever club and earn Ballon D’or then let him go.




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26 Jun 2022 03:14:41
What quality midfielders can we sign to replace Fabinho when he is out lol.




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25 Jun 2022 06:52:08
For whatever reason, he doesn’t seem to be as highly valued by other clubs. Well, I obviously don’t know that for a fact but from the Ed’s insights seemed like he’s not been the top choice for the usual suspects around the world.