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14 Oct 2019 21:21:45
As a Bulgarian I want to appolagise for the things happening on the Vasil Levski national stadium. Hopefully you all won't think of us as a r*cists. Those are number of pricks who goes to matches and ruins it for all of us. : (.

{Ed002's Note - There is no need to apologise Marto. I appreciate this is a difficult situation but nobody should blame “Bulgarians” any more than you can blame the English for what happened at each PL club last season. The profile increases each time there is a problem.}

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14 Oct 2019 21:32:34
You might be right. We were unfairly warned by FIFA before the game and had 2 warning at the first half. I have no idea who should be blamed and who it's at foult but I just want to appolagise and hope it won't go to politicial fights.

{Ed002's Note - That is cool. You cannot blame the Bulgarian nation for a few idiots.}

14 Oct 2019 23:25:33
As Ed002 said this is just a bunch of idiots and cannot be blamed or portray Bulgaria as a whole.
Exactly like we don’t want to be tarnished by idiots within our fan base.
The only people to blame are the individuals who partake in the abuse and the only way to stamp it out is banning those fans.

15 Oct 2019 03:44:09
I just don't get what those idiots have to gain from hurling abuse. It's pointless, stupid and just sets them back as human beings and as a society. It's a shame that Bulgaria will have to face the music because of a few brainless ones.

15 Oct 2019 10:35:15
At HF our captian, Popov, satyed bit longer on the field talking to the public and some of them were in disagree with him . Patheric. Sometimes, its sad, but I can't stand my own people. : ( Thanks for understanding.

15 Oct 2019 12:44:35
Unfortunately the minority ruin it for the decent people.

15 Oct 2019 18:18:12
I told you its going the get politicial. Head minister called for our chief of Bulgarian FA to quit or money will be frozen for anything that the FA may need. Our chief refused to quit and for couple of hours there was ridicilous comments and stuff happening around the web, possible on the streets too, but later in the day he resigned. God knows what's going to happened now.

15 Oct 2019 19:17:17
What to do Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - The real problem in much of mainland Europe is facist factions and organised groups of new-Nazis - that takes more than education to resolve. A number of sides are fighting to resolve what they can but it is proving a tough battle. In England it is not an issue with organised groups but either individuals or drunk morons. The English clubs issue bans to fans identified as racists - it has helped some.}

14 Oct 2019 21:12:44
Sad to say in 2019 there are vile idiots who think it is 1819. Gareth Southgate and his team should be proud of the way they handled themselves. Tyron Mings, Raheem Stirling and Marcus Rashford played with thier heads held high in the most horrible atmospheres . Well done lads, no matter the club rivalry, when you put that England shirt on we are one.

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14 Oct 2019 07:02:38
Gini with a brace for Netherlands

What a complete midfielder he has become for Liverpool as well. People moan that he doesn't score enough but he scores important goals. Given a choice between a midfielder who regularly turns 3-0 wins into 4-0 wins or a midfielder who turns 0-0 draws into 1-0 wins on the odd occasion when it's needed in the way Gini does I know who I am picking.

What he does in our midfield cannot be quantified.

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14 Oct 2019 11:37:51
Gini is very good at some aspects but lacking in other areas. It is sometimes hard on the tv to get the true picture of what Gini offers in a game. He tracks back well, excellant at keeping the ball in tight spaces, strong on the ball, good work rate etc.

What stops him being top level for me is his work in their final third. Its not about breaking into the box but his passing outside the box. If you watch him 9 times out of 10 he will run forward then stop for a second and pass it square 2 or 3 yards. Very very rarely will he create a change for a teammate. He is not on the same wavelength as the front 3. The system we play suits Gini but I do feel he is a lucky boy to be a regular in the best team in Europe.

14 Oct 2019 11:54:11
Possibly the most overrated player in the team. For me he's a 4/ 10 most games then plays an 8/ 10 and everyone says he is world class.

14 Oct 2019 12:24:32
Never heard anyone say Gini is world class, that would be ridiculous.
Would be like saying Arsenal will finish above Liverpool lol.

14 Oct 2019 13:07:06
So Klopp continues to pick a 4 out of 10 player. for the European champions
The coach that has just been voted best in the world.

Is it Klopp or is it you who is the best judge of a player for LFC?

Really there is some nonsense spouted at times.

14 Oct 2019 17:15:55
Best 4 out of 10 in the world 😉.

15 Oct 2019 03:46:53
Gini is a good solid player who gives his all for the team. I wouldn't call him a top tier midfielder though. He is perfect for the way we play similar to Henderson, but these are two players that can be upgraded on in the next few years as they get older and if FSG are willing to splash the cash.

16 Oct 2019 01:13:26
The one thing Gini needs to improve on is his shooting. He just doesn’t strike a ball very well and tends to drag his shots quite a lot.
Other than that his pressing, ability and particularly his ball retention is up there with any midfielder in the league.
World class? It depends on what you call world class I suppose but I’ve heard Pogba called world class numerous times and I know who I’d prefer to have in my team.
4/ 10 is ridiculous when he’s been a mainstay in a team that’s just won 17 league games on the trot with a Champions League in between. I just think some don’t have very good football knowledge so because he doesn’t skin 10 players and bang it in the top corner every week he’s useless. Sad really.

13 Oct 2019 19:15:10
There are fewer goals scored from outside the box these days aren't there?

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13 Oct 2019 20:43:29
Was only saying that lately actually. There aren't many midfielders around who regularly hit double figures and many screamers like Gerrard, lampard, scholes, fabregas, yaya toure, bale used to. I guess it's just the change in modern team tactics. Chelsea, Liverpool, United, arsenal don't really have CM players lately who can do that. Erickson, dele alli, sigurdsson, De bruyne don't tend to score worldies like they have in recent years.

Free kick specialists are lacking too. Nobody scoring numerous free kicks anymore.

Special mention to laurent Robert, gamst Pederson, Pedro Mendes, Berger, David Bentley, elano, Le tissier, hitzleberger. When you used to see those on the scoresheet you knew it was a belter.

14 Oct 2019 06:07:05
Yeah. Felt the same as well. Though I do enjoy the way the team play, the goals they scored, but I do miss those screamers.

14 Oct 2019 18:23:19
I feel that is what cost us the league last season.

We have already scored the same as the whole of last season from outside the box (5) this can sometimes be the difference maker against a well organised defence.

15 Oct 2019 22:13:49
Good shout on Laurent Robert har. That guy always had a screamer up his sleeve.

13 Oct 2019 08:03:04
Looking at Stevie play killer passes in the legend match yesterday still makes you think he could do a job in our midfield, and Englands! what a player he was, definitely packed in the reds too soon.

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13 Oct 2019 08:14:42
He definitely didn’t Jadon. I loved Stevie but he was a shadow of his former self by the end. Playing against old men is not an indicator of what he could do in the prem, not even close.

13 Oct 2019 09:09:32
I agree Shaq, a shadow of his former self. Yet in the four years since he left no one can tell me he wouldn't have produced as much as someone like Lallana. Even at 39 i would argue Stevie would be a better all round athlete than Adam, and also i think Stevie would have improved again by getting to work under Klopp. obviously it doesn't matter, still not much better sights in football than Gerrard in full flow, even if it is against old timers.

13 Oct 2019 10:12:11
Yeah don’t get me wrong Stevie is a legend and what a player he was in his pomp. Him at 25 in this Klopp team would be amazing.

13 Oct 2019 10:50:36
A midfielder able to play inch perfect through balls to our front 3 over 10-60 yards, be mobile enough to fit into what Klopp wants from a midfielder and come up with 15-20 goals EVERY season would be most peoples priority signing for this Liverpool side. that's Gerrard to a tee, trouble is there's not many Gerrards around anymore.

13 Oct 2019 20:58:26
Aren't many central midfielders in today's game being played in that role of scoring such numbers. Just Bruno fernandes or van de beek I can think of last season hitting 15+ in Europe's top few leagues and even they were often played in an advanced central mid role.

Teams just don't seem to set up like that anymore. Even gini wijnaldum used to hit double figures every single season before us so it's clear that klopp has never felt the need for this type of player. Gerrard used to be prolific when only he and Torres were our goal threats. Any team who plays an advanced frontline with 3 goalmachines doesn't gain from trying to introduce an attacking box midfielder when the spaces aren't there.

Gerrard could perfectly play around and off Torres, lampard off drogba, fabregas off adebayor.
Firmino thrives off the freedom of playing in those pockets between 30yards and edge of box, he wouldn't work well if someone was taking up his zones. This current midfield is specially designed for us despite many criticism. Gerrard would be great in this midfield no doubt but more in the role Henderson is currently playing. He wouldn't need to get 15-20 goals to be vital.

Would have loved to see him on that right side of midfield 3 protecting and playing alongside Trent. What a combo that would have been.

13 Oct 2019 23:24:31
Gonna be unpopular here and say Gerrard past the age of about 33, once the engine was gone, wouldn't suit our current system at all.

Stevie had one problem in his career and that's that he saw himself as a central midfielder in the mould of Souness, Keane or Vieira. But he wasn't that. He hadn't the patience on the ball or ability to read the defensive side of the game for that. He was an attacking midfielder, like Kaka or Zidane. And for about 5 or 6 years, he was the best attacking midfielder in Europe.

When his legs started to go, imo, he should've moved further forward into a no. 10, but instead he wanted to go backwards because he thought he was a central midfielder and could drop into an Alonso style role. Our team set up in the 2nd half of 2013/ 14 made it work for about 5 months because of his great passing range, but once Suarez was gone and Sturridge was injured, he was ineffective in that role and his defensive weaknesses got exposed. He certainly wouldn't work in that role in our team now.

Had he moved forward instead, he'd probably have become something like Totti in his late career, alternating between playing as a no. 10, or in a free role from the right or left, and might have outlasted Rodgers. But I doubt Klopp would've been able to find a regular role in the team for him beyond the first season.

14 Oct 2019 14:39:52
So once two of the best attacking players were out of the team and garbage was bought to replace them he was ineffective? i would have thought so, big difference between a Gerrard of that age banging balls in2 Salah and Manè as opposed to Lambert and Markovich. think even Stevies ability to carry crap was gone at that stage of his career.

{Ed001's Note - why are you making this ridiculous argument? Gerrard himself said his legs had long gone and he is not up to playing in the Prem when he left for MLS. To suggest he would have done more than Lallana just makes you look a tool slagging off Lallana for no reason.}

14 Oct 2019 17:44:52
I didn't explain my point well enough to avoid focus on personnel, I guess.

Gerrard couldn't control the midfield at any point in his career, it just wasn't the way he played football. He managed to be effective for about half a season in a deep role because we had a constant threat in behind from Suarez, Sterling and Sturridge, and played at an unsustainable level of aggression and tempo. Once that was gone, his ability to ping wonder passes no longer papered over his deficiencies in the deep-lying role he'd largely changed to by the time he left. When the discussion is "could he have stayed and been successful under Klopp", my answer is no for that reason.

Some of his deficiencies were visible before that, even when he had Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling to aim at. In quite a few games (Stoke, Cardiff and Norwich spring to mind), we played frantically at the start and end of the games and scored goals in those periods. But we were dominated in midfield in between and gave teams that shouldn't have had a kick against us a shout at getting back into the game. Scores like 6-3, 5-3 and 3-2 happened quite a bit.

14 Oct 2019 18:02:38
Im not arguing with anyone, just mentioned how good it was to see Gerrard still do great things. i don't feel strongly enough about it to argue. Only mentioned Lallana because of his obvious frailties and lack of athleticism, wasnt a criticism as such. he was just someone who came to mind that i still thought Stevie would have been more effective than, no shame in that. and what Lfc fan wouldn't like to see Gerrard in the same team as that front three? he's our best player of the last 20 years.

12 Oct 2019 22:54:02
If Harvey Elliott has 14 days suspension for his indiscretions in social media, what will be the fate of Bernardo Silva?

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13 Oct 2019 11:26:55
Pat on the back, "run along Bernardo you little scamp! ".

12 Oct 2019 22:53:54
Dirk Kuyt is expected to become the new assistant manager at Southend.

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12 Oct 2019 11:07:37
Harvey Elliott deservedly punished for tasteless juvenile video. I know he's only 16 but he's in a position that many kids would envy and should bear that in mind.

{Ed025's Note - a typical young knob head who is indicative of the modern day culture who is too big for his boots red planet, would he have done that when you had a tommy smith or ron yeats in the dressing room?...i dont think so, he would have got a clip around the ear and rightfully so mate..

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12 Oct 2019 13:47:53
Harsh, he's a young lad who made a mistake as we all do/ did, it happens, cut the lad some slack. Times have changed.

{Ed025's Note - they have,nt changed that much salah where a snotty nose kid can insult a seasoned pro mate, please dont try to justify actions like that..

12 Oct 2019 15:13:31
In fairness if he was messing around slagging someone back in them days millions of people wouldn't have ended up seeing it. The youth may have changed over the years ed but so have the times.

{Ed025's Note - oh so its ok then jadon, its not his fault its social media then, liverpool fans never cease to amaze me mate..

12 Oct 2019 18:36:04
I'd be saying it if he was a young player from any side. As kids we all said things that we look back in disgust at ourselves for. if you havn't Ed your in the very very small minority. Hopefully the kid learns as he matures.

{Ed025's Note - i have made mistakes in the past jadon as well, but my mother would turn in her grave if she thought i had made fun of someone with a speech impediment , especially if it was my national captain and a decent bloke, but i suppose if he plays for liverpool he should get immunity, its not as if hes a role model to young kids now is it mate?..

12 Oct 2019 19:01:01
I'd have got a clip around the ear meself but for all we know so did Elliott. its the mocking of the speech impediment that no one wants to see. the fact that its National Captain and "decent bloke" Kane makes no difference to me whatsoever. Harry isn't exactly the perfect role model either.

{Ed025's Note - i think its about respect for your elders jadon as well, i disagree that him being a decent bloke and englands captain does,nt matter mate, if it was a scumbag like joey barton or someone nobody would give a toss..

12 Oct 2019 19:25:37
Have to disagree Ed, its the speech impediment part which is far more important than who the person is. i'd wager most Lfc fans actually found the fact that it was Harry Kane funny. while also realising the mocking of an impediment to be wrong.

{Ed025's Note - we wont agree on that one mate but mocking the afflicted is wrong on so many levels, have a good night..

12 Oct 2019 21:52:42
Why has this discussion even happened? A kid has made fun of another person with an impediment or disability. What has his age, or the victims age or job or whatever else got to do with it? What is wrong is wrong. Keep it simple.

15 Oct 2019 12:41:32
Well said aray.


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