Liverpool Discussion posts

11 Oct 2024 15:48:08
Not exactly Liverpool related but did you see the £750,000 fine given to Forest after their social media comments last season?

Was the match against Everton, whereby 3 penalty decisions went against them and they lost the match 2 nil - I remember watching that thinking they were hard done by with those calls

The League is upset at an 'attack on the integrity of a match official' - in fairness to Forest, that official was Stuart Atwell who had a fair few howlers last season in his matches - whilst we do not want to see referees attacked per se, I think we would all like to see some sort of performance management taken against some of them - as it is always the same refs every single time there is a game with several wtf officiating moments involved.

11 Oct 2024 09:32:40
Ed2 - am I right in thinking that the original transfer fees for VVD and Mo are well long paid for? As in those costs aren’t on the books anymore?

{Ed002's Note - Yes, they have been paid for but obviously there is still other debt relating to players.}

11 Oct 2024 10:13:46
Thanks ed2. In my head that means we’re less inclined to “need” to sell them before we lose them for free. Like, we don’t necessarily need to transfer fee to recoup any losses?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea why you are having any strange thoughts like that. Liverpool will look to new contracts - selling in January will not be an option.}

11 Oct 2024 14:27:09
Well, the idea is just trying to make sense of the narrative that some posters are claiming that we can’t afford to lose them for free and if they’re not signing an extension then they’re saying we need to sell them for a fee. But given their costs are finished, it wouldn’t seem to be the case.

11 Oct 2024 16:30:12
Faith we get it. You’re a superior fan. Stop worrying about what other fans want to think and moaning because they don’t share your opinion.

10 Oct 2024 19:37:50
Listening to the Trent interview before the England game it really does sound like his mind is made up.
Jude probably in his ear too and with Madrid not having a RB it makes total sense for him to move on.
Not sure what the club can do except just keep winning and potentially batter madrid at anfield.

10 Oct 2024 18:55:35
World Mental Health Day
Remember, it's good to talk, especially all us blokes who struggle to open up at times👍.

11 Oct 2024 01:31:19
Well played mate, well played. Currently going through some issues of my own (never thought it'd happen to me) . I have always helped mental health charities along with many individuals. One in fact who is using this site, a really good person. But, my word when it hits you it really does hit you. On mental health day I spoke out, I know how to, I know I needed to and yeah it's just crippling, I can't do things normally anymore and can't think straight it's just p*ssing me off. It affects everything.

Holding stuff in, gets people nowhere. I've said this to hundreds if not thousands of people in the past yet didn't take my own advice. Been holding on for too long and then something snapped.

It's not worth it, speak out, get upset, do something. This is no joke but unfortunately too many people are very ignorant to it.

11 Oct 2024 12:53:26
Salah you’re not alone mate. Feel free to fire me some contact details next live chat and if you ever need a vent or LFC chat or general pick me up.

I travel all over the country with work so best case scenario could even be a catch a game and beer in a pub.

10 Oct 2024 07:04:31
Hi eds, who do you think is responsible for mistake to Allow top 3 players in squad VVD, Trent, Salah to run their contracts down? Hughes, Edwards. We are not a blame culture club but definitely we want accountability.

{Ed001's Note - it goes further back than that. They are just guilty of compounding the error.}

10 Oct 2024 19:25:16
Edd001 how does the likes of quansah who i rate get a contract sorted before the other 3. I'm more annoyed we can't as supporters put pressure on on Edward and Hughes the way neville used to go on about their glazers.

{Ed001's Note - and what difference did it make what Neville etc did? Are the Glazers gone? Or are they still majority owners with even more dough in their pockets?}

10 Oct 2024 06:34:07
“Ed001's Note - it had got to the point where he actually asked the club about it. It is insane it has got to this point where the club are handing out contracts to Quansah and Konate rather than dealing with this, most pressing issue. As I have said multiple times, I fully understand waiting for Salah and VVD as they are ageing and it might be time to just extend a year at a time with them. Trent has literally just turned 26, entering his prime years and it should be sorted. I just think they are taking for granted that he will sign as he has been very clear that he wants to stay. But if you take liberties, there comes a point when he will wonder if he is even wanted and can change his mind about staying. Especially when he has Madrid in his ear constantly, making it clear they want him and will give him almost anything. He would be a world icon like Bellingham immediately on signing for them. ”

That is the single most nausea-inducing passage I’ve ever read on this site. I can’t believe a 90-100m asset would be so concerned with his contract that he’d actually have to encourage the club to open talks about it. Liverpool were run by amateurs for 30 years until Klopp arrived. I really hope we don’t end up repeating the 90s and 2000s.

11 Oct 2024 00:42:02
Call me crazy but can we not have some responsibility on the player's side here? Something doesn't add up with the Trent situation. Everyone is assuming he is super good faith and the mean old incompetent club haven't offered him an extension in the last couple of years. Do we know what his wage demands are? He is one of the highest earners at the club on £180k a week. His form had been patchy over the couple of years before the start of this season and to be honest based on that form he didn't deserve a payrise on an already hefty salary. Do we know if he was asking for a payrise? It's possible seeing as this next contract will be the most significant of his career.

Furthermore his agent is his brother who engineered Henderson's exit to Saudi which took us unaware last summer so let's not pretend his representatives have the best interests of the club at heart. Can we not ask how it is even known that he supposedly asked the club about his contract in the summer and, the pertinent detail that was missed out, do we know what he asked for? It feels like his team are playing a PR game at times to keep fans onside while he engineers himself into an Mbappe-type situation. It also feels like a lot of you are more fans of Trent Alexander-Arnold FC than Liverpool FC.

{Ed001's Note - what are you talking about? No one engineered a move to Saudi by surprise at all. Quite the opposite. The club wanted him out, Klopp told him there was no place for him as a starter. It feels like you are just spreading propaganda on the part of the club, propaganda with no truth in it and just designed to make mischief against Trent and his brother. And ending it with a snide line about who is a fan just says it all really. You are no more of a fan than anyone else, but you are just malicious enough to spread false stories about players and their families. I would ask yourself what that makes you?}

11 Oct 2024 02:37:43
Ed001 if I'm a propaganda agent of the club, then you're a propaganda agent of Trent Alexander-Arnold. It is known that Henderson wasn't going to be a starter last season but I've not seen it anywhere that the club wanted him out. I'm happy to be proved wrong though and will cede the point if corrected.

I stand by everything else I said because everything else was either asking questions or speculation. None of which you addressed. Why is it fair that you get to drag Hughes but questioning Trent and his motives is crossing the line? There's two sides to the story and all we hear about on this site is Trent's side. Again I ask, why are we hearing Trent's side? Presumably we aren't hearing the Liverpool side of things because they are still hoping to tie him and don't want to inflame things. And again, Trent may have asked for a new contract but what is he asking for? He could be saying, "no payrise for me thanks" for all we know but that detail was left out in this leaked information.

I'm not going to indulge the victim card you're playing on behalf of Trent and his brother. They're both playing with big boy money. They can handle some online speculation about what they are up to especially when they are leaking information and creating "mischief" themselves. I'm not saying fans shouldn't question the club. I'm actually saying we should be allowed to question Trent Alexander-Arnold as well.

{Ed001's Note - see this is the problem, you are willing to believe malicious gossip and misrepresent what I say in order to defend the club, out of nothing but ignorance. It is a pointless conversation, so I am making this the last thing I am going to say on it.

You are wrong, no one is playing any victim card but you, on behalf of the club. Trent is not a victim - he has the pick of the world's clubs to join if he leaves. He will be fine. You need to learn to read what I have said and stop twisting it to suit your agenda. And your willingness to spread malicious gossip to support your view is worrying. Did you learn nothing from the aftermath of Hillsborough? To suggest they are big boys and so it is ok just sickens me. You are sounding like a S*n journalist with that stuff. If you are ok with that, then you need help.

I am not sure how that makes me a propaganda agent for Trent. If I was, I would have a lot more to say than this. I could easily do what you are doing and spread malicious gossip about the club in order to act on his behalf, but I have not said anything other than he was ready to sign and then the club never got back to him. It was all sorted before Klopp quit and could have all been handled before that particular brown stuff hit the fan. The changes at the top all happened afterwards also, so none of this is just on the new regime either. This is a long term issue of poor management, that has never been sorted out. It is only being aggravated by the sight of Konate and Quansah getting their new deals, even though both deserved one. But then if Edwards hadn't made such a mess of things in his first spell, we wouldn't have the likes of Rhys Williams earning obscene amounts of money, despite being League 2 level at best.

This is not a propaganda thing, this is not me defending individuals against the club, this is me wanting the club to be run properly and not allow individuals to continually make a mess of it.

But let's go back to the beginning and point out that the club needed to reduce the wage bill, which we all know was true, because Edwards had messed it up in his first spell of incompetence. Henderson, Firmino and Fabinho were all wanted out to bring it down, Firmino was not offered a deal as a consequence, Fabinho and Henderson both had moves set up to Saudi Arabia by the club. Nothing was engineered by agents, the club was perfectly clear that they were felt to be surplus. Why do you think Henderson was so quick to leave there? He never really wanted to go there in the first place. I am sure the money was nice, but he was quick to dump it as soon as possible to get back to Europe.

The club's attempts to reduce the wage bill are possibly/probably why no move has been made to sort out new deals for the 3 highest paid players at the club, despite all 3 being among the 4 best players at the club and only having a few months left on their contracts. Which makes sense for Salah and VVD, as both are ageing and it is sensible to wait and see if they are still capable of operating at the highest level.

What questions and speculation have I not addressed? There is none to address, just people making up bull, and people like you spreading it. I don't understand what Hughes is to do with this, only you have dragged him into this, I am not criticising him over this, this is not his department. What is clear is that you have not got a clue what you are talking about, you are still willing to argue out of pure ignorance anyway. Absolutely pointless talking to people like you, who just make up stuff to argue about and twist what is said in order to try and win an argument you caused in the first place.

I see now why Ed002 doesn't bother to try to discuss stuff. It is just like banging your head against a brick wall because people will make up stuff like that I am not allowing people to question Trent's motives. I have never once said people can't question them and have posted up hundreds of posts doing such. But you carry on spreading more lies and gossip out of ignorance, because that is all this is. Though how anyone can claim all we hear is Trent's side just beggars belief. Do you think you are some lone crusader or something? There wouldn't be anything like the number of posts about it if only one side got posted, for starters.

Anyway, I am done with this. Don't bother to reply, I have no interest in reading it and will just delete it out of hand.}

09 Oct 2024 20:18:18
I've been mostly impressed with the team so far this season. I do fear Salah will revert back to just shooting when others are better placed.
Anyone else got the feeling Diaz has peaked already for this season?
Absolutely happy with Grav he's been a wonder.
I still feel we will find ourselves in 3rd come end of the season.
Mostly I can't wait for next season I will still stand by my comments that if we get rid of Salah, Trent Jones and Diaz and manage to fill the spots wisely will will go on to win the league next season.

{Ed025's Note - going by that logic Wally if you get rid of Alisson, Robbo, Macca and Slob as well you might win the Champions league as well mate.. :)

09 Oct 2024 22:40:35
To be fair I think if slob does not improve he will be considered for transfer.
I base my thoughts on if Salah goes we will score more goals due to the misses Salah has. Another player might have the vision to pass.
I personally don't rate Trent, personally I believe we've a better player waiting in the wings.
Jones brings not a lot apart from two or three decent games a season.
Diaz just isn't as good as people make out. Again better long term player waiting to take over.
Also if these players go I think Mr Slot and the powers that be will have a marvelous transfer windows in January and the summer and recruit the players Mr slot needs to go on and win the title next season.

10 Oct 2024 11:14:30
It amazing how many people have a detailed insight into how long, and on what terms contract discussions have been taking place. I think it's beyond belief that either party to such negotiations would leak any details.