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26 Aug 2019 01:32:59
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26 Aug 2019 01:32:59
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26 Aug 2019 01:32:59
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25 Aug 2019 23:03:22
Hi Ed001

Hope all is ok

Are you doing a match review?

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - I do them in a weekly podcast with Ed0666 now mate.}

25 Aug 2019 22:35:34
Have you read, The age of football by David goldblatt. Just wondering if it’s worth buying?

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Manchester United: Asleep at the Wheel

25 Aug 2019 21:31:42
{Ed's Note - Danny Pughnited has posted a new article entitled, Manchester United: Asleep at the Wheel

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25 Aug 2019 21:56:14
Can't argue with a word of that, happy days😁.

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25 Aug 2019 23:00:56
I didn't watch the match, because watching a match solely because you want another team to lose is not good or healthy motivation, so I'm relying on entirely on highlights.

To a degree, it's understandable that some would argue you were unlucky. Cahill could've been sent off and at least one of those Martin Kelly challenges was surely worth a pen. But at the same time, had you much apart from potential penalties to win that match?

What I would really worry about though, is the massive chasm in the middle of the defence for the first Palace goal. Looks like you need to go pay £80m for a proven center back to command your defence to stop that from happening. Oh no wait, you already did that, didn't you? Maybe there's something in the buildup I missed that caused your CBs to be 20+ yards apart as the opposition goalie is kicking it long with Maguire marking thin air, but it looked very bad. I can't remember the last time I saw Liverpool concede a goal like that. I'd guess it was before we had van Dijk, though.

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{Ed047's Note - you’re not rating that centre back with the turning circle of an ocean going tanker and speed of a rowing boat then SR?

Guess it could be worse, they could have David Luiz! 🙄😂

25 Aug 2019 23:07:37
Good read, well written, and can't argue with any of it.

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25 Aug 2019 23:10:16
I'd almost argue Luiz is better value, considering he cost 1/ 10th what Maguire did. I doubt Maguire is 10x better.

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25 Aug 2019 23:11:40
Danny, brilliant article and your points are more than valid. IMO, it was a mistake to give Ole the job full time. Many of us knew it. In fact, I dare say that he should not have been given the job at all. Why? Based on his record (or lack thereof) had OGS not played for Utd, would you have looked his way? If the answer is no then, the answer is right there BUT I can understand why it was done.

After Jose left (w/ the damage he did to the club and the players' psyche), you guys should have just ripped everything up and started from scratch from top to bottom. Bring in a new manager and start revamping the structures of the club one step at a time. But the same people who messed it up cannot be expected to find solutions so they just as you said, took the easy route and actually made the team worse than it was. I mean, you have 8 CB's on the books. That is just insane.

The midfield is poor. The defence is still a shambles (cos AWB is still raw and learning Shaw and Young are poor, and even Maguire himself knows he is not an 80m CB) . The midfield is too slow and the attack is pretty blunt cos the midfield can't create. Oh and to crown it all, DDG is getting worse with every passing game. Get ready bro cos this revival is going to take a while. A long, long while.

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25 Aug 2019 15:25:10
Not because of matchday fever but we should sign that harry wilson guy.


Oh wait a minute.

He is once in a generation talent on dead balls. That free kick against city was nuts. I applaud the club finding good loan deals for him.
I think after this years experience he is definitely liverpool ready if he wasnt considered good enough now.

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{Ed001's Note - did you actually watch him? He scored one free kick and then was awful. Loose touches, standing round watching his man run off him, he is just not doing enough. He needs a kick up the arse because talent is not everything.}

25 Aug 2019 16:40:23
ed001 he did put a good ball in before the goal at 0-1 should have been put away for 1-1. but he does remind me Shaqiri does not do enough in games but as an impact sub or my be at home to the lesser teams that just sit back teams with 9 men behind the ball teams like arsenal could open them up.

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{Ed001's Note - he is worth far more in transfer fees than he would be in coming off the bench. I would much rather have Brewster or Divvy there for the impact sub role. We can get a good fee for Wilson and he is never going to hold down a first team place, so we should take it. If you start hanging on to coasters it sends out the wrong message to other players.}

25 Aug 2019 16:42:23
Just on a side note. How ON EARTH is Steve Cook still a Premier League player? It’s these kind of decisions that stop Bournemouth progressing. Has Howe taken them as far as he can?

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{Ed001's Note - Howe has no idea about defending.}

25 Aug 2019 16:49:57
Thats why i said its a good loan for him and he will be ready next season.

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25 Aug 2019 16:51:47
Clearly. The Bournemouth defending for all 3 of City’s goals today was unprofessional, you could see each goal happening 30 seconds before it actually did. Howe is a Brendan-lite coach - squanders mountains of cash on championship players, never improves the team beyond a certain level and plays an awful, inefficient, pretentious style of football.

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25 Aug 2019 16:56:49
Wilson did three things on the pitch today in his 70 mins today. He scored a brilliant free kick. Got fouled by Sterling off the ball and laid on a good ball for Callum Wilson who should have done better vs Ederson, IMO. That was about it. You did not know he was playing after all that cos I rarely saw him put in tackle or any type of graft. Sorry, Wilson will be sold and I for one, welcome it cos clearly, he is not good enuff cos if he was, he would still be here.

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25 Aug 2019 18:44:35
Wilson is certainly not 'Liverpool ready', excellent dead ball deliveries but anonymous for the rest of the match. Does not track back or work hard enough off the ball, I would think he is exactly the kind of player Klopp does not want in his team.
Lets see how his loan goes this season, but I think Ed01 has summed it up perfectly and Liverpool should take the money and run.

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25 Aug 2019 18:53:51
@ed001 It’s weird n Just funny! Did u guys see the difference n the impact when he’s on? He’s being named as Bournemouth star man tonight. He’s a gd player. Just not suitable for JK tactics where he reuiqre combative players instead of creative players.

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{Ed001's Note - bizarre as he just doesn't do enough.}

25 Aug 2019 20:16:08
MkReds, "Klopp prefers combative players instead of creative players? " What are you on about, man? Are you saying that our front three are just combative and not creative? Bobbie leads the PL in assists for the past two seasons among CF's, I reckon. Salah is an assist master as well and to some extent, so is Mane (who actually plays the no. 10 role for Senegal) .

"He was Bournmouth star man". So what? Does LFC look like being at the same level as B'mouth, man? B'mouth are midtable fodder while LFC is the best team in Europe and top 2 in the PL. Again, are you for real? Inaccuracy does not even begin to describe your post. I would understand your post coming from a rival fan who does not watch us play or is just trying to whind people up BUT coming from a supposed LFC fan, it is even worse.

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25 Aug 2019 20:58:41
I've heard so many people today complaining about us letting Wilson out on loan, it's laughable that simply a great free kick gets many clueless fans thinking he's good enough. They've literally judged him on that one moment and clearly not analysed his overall match contributions.

Yet the general opinion these same fans give on coutinho is that he offers nothing asides from hitting screamers and he's not a good fit for us. So many contradictions it's laughable how strong opinions are made with zero factual insight to base them on.

Even if Wilson scores another 15 free kicks this season he's still not capable of offering this Liverpool team what we need.

Let's remember the likes of Charlie Adam or nuri sahin as guys who had only style over substance.

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25 Aug 2019 21:17:18
hahaha every time I watch harry, 90% of the game he is disengaged then he springs to life in the attacking third. I really want him to develop the rest of his game but from a distance it looks like he has fallen as in love with his motd highlights as the fans have.

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25 Aug 2019 22:34:12
I agree with Ed 100%. Sell him. Why would we want someone who is JUST a free kick specialist? We'd be playing with 10 men most of the match until that one moment that there is a free kick 30 yards out.

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26 Aug 2019 00:09:52
2 goals from 3 games that he did not do the full 90 for a 15-> 20m rated young winger who just joint a premiership team is not bad. Bournemouth are thinking they got themselves a bargain. don't know what most of you expect from him. he is one of our own be happy for him. most of you bark about youth here is one trying to shine and you just RIP him to pieces.

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25 Aug 2019 15:19:21
Just for that goal. his loan is worth it! 😂😂😂.

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25 Aug 2019 16:57:58
OP, Wilson has a tonne more to do than just scoring a free kick goal which he is very good at. That is not enuff to be great, I'm afraid.

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25 Aug 2019 21:05:17
Redwolf I think that post at the time was only in reference to the fact his goal might have helped Bournemouth take some points off city and that being the reason his loan is worth it as he states light heartedly.

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25 Aug 2019 21:24:36
The lad has 2 in 3, he is playing in prem for first time which is hardest league in the world I think he deserves a bit of credit, his best position is attacking mid but never a winger, if his ability too hit the net from short an long range whilst assisting the forwards improves he will be valuable if not for us then someone else .

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25 Aug 2019 23:03:26
2 goals in 3 games is a great start for him and I agree that you say he might be valuable for another team, he's certainly got talent to play well as a premier league player but only in the right team. We are not suited to his strenghts and we play in a way that his certain weaknesses would harm us. Bournemouth is a good fit for him now to thrive in their style and I really hope he does well.

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25 Aug 2019 15:01:29
What a free kick by Harry Wilson. His all round game needs to improve if he's to have a future at Liverpool but the boy can strike a ball👏.

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25 Aug 2019 16:58:42
OP, anyone can strike a ball if you practise enough. It is not a talent.

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{Ed001's Note - that's not true. It is a very definite skill to be fair.}

25 Aug 2019 18:31:01
Clearly someone who has never played football at any level would come out with such a daft statement.

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25 Aug 2019 20:27:46
Rubbish, IR. Playing in the regional leagues in France in my 20's, I was able to chip the GK from 25 yards out for fun. It was not some skill or natural talent. I just learned and worked on it in training and during training matches and in games. Even you could learn it cos it was not that complicated.

Ed01, you mentioned skill. IMO, skill can be worked on/ honed to near perfection, IMO. The word "talent" was me referring to striking the ball, as not being a natural talent cos you can work on it. A distinction w/ o a difference? I don't know. Just my opinion.

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25 Aug 2019 21:19:21
some players have that knack for striking a ball. I think that is why you have long range bombers like scholes, stevie and lampard, and then everyone else.

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25 Aug 2019 21:26:55
We are talking about a player putting a ball over the wall, past the keeper, into the top corner. If it was that easy to be "worked on" you would have more players able to do it. It is a skill or talent if you want.

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25 Aug 2019 21:33:39
It's clearly a bit of both as not every person is similar in what it takes to be strong in that particular skill. You will obviously improve with training and practice but certain unique traits play a part in how every individual differs in being naturally suited to be more talented than others. Ronaldo has shown that with extreme training and hard work he can now strike a ball much better than he could when in his early United years.
But then someone like balotelli has shown from a young age that he was strong in the art of thumping a clean strike yet he's not the type of player who has trained hard or shown improvement in his game.

Attributes like balance, body shape or physique along with vision is more natural than trained. How each brain thinks differently in the process of picking a spot or choosing type of technique and power to use is clearly very naturally built in to each player in different ways that can play a huge part in being talented for that particular skill.

To say it's not a natural talent and only training is needed to master it is very much false. Training is essential of course but certain traits in each person's make up plays a big part and not something that can be easily trained to change.

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25 Aug 2019 22:57:07
Har_red92, I can agree with your Ronaldo allusion cos part of it explains my point, to some extent. The rest of your post is also, very interesting as well and I agree with. Loved the debate.

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26 Aug 2019 00:04:38
Cheers Redwolf. it's pretty much similar to most aspects of sport. I can't think of many where natural talent doesn't play some part. Even a basic game which has constant repetitive actions like darts for example relies on constant practise for improvement yet many players have shown to be much better than others despite less hours spent training. Things like hand eye coordination and composure under pressure are built into each person differently and those traits all contribute towards a 'natural talent' as such.

Be interesting if there's any examples where this isn't the case.

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25 Aug 2019 14:52:21
That Harry Wilson free kick against Man City was spectacular he is a true talent.

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25 Aug 2019 14:51:05
Harry Wilson just wow this kind of d need to be given a go nxt year.

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{Ed001's Note - but he was awful other than the free kick.}

25 Aug 2019 17:00:22
Needs to be given a go cos he scored a free kick which by the way, he has been doing since last season? What about the rest of the time where you did not even know he was on the pitch vs City? Come on, man.

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25 Aug 2019 22:41:02
Similar views have seen the likes of Charlie Adam, seb Larsson, Snodgrass, Bentley, Robbie Brady, ward prowse, payet as similar examples of players who either got big moves or were generally overrated in relation to their actual quality in overall gameplay.

Wilson has shown that he's no different to others who have previously deceived peoples perceptions of their genuine ability.

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25 Aug 2019 04:21:23
Hi Ed's and Reds, what a weekend so far, my wife gave birth to our first child this morning a beautiful baby girl who obviously becomes a Red as well as an Irish fan (albeit she was born in Canada) the boys had a great win and the mancs lost. Here's hoping both City and Spurs lose tomorrow and my weekend will be complete.

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{Ed001's Note - congrats vinny. You aren't related to the other 007 are you?}

25 Aug 2019 10:59:34
Congratulations mate.

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25 Aug 2019 11:02:38
From a fellow Irish man and Red - congrats Vinny.

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25 Aug 2019 11:17:26
Good luck mate, not a man until you have a girl apparently. Explains a lot about me.

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25 Aug 2019 11:52:30
Congrats mate, 7 months and I'll be in the same boat as you so any feedback would be appreciated 😅.

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25 Aug 2019 12:14:53
Another proud Dad to join the club congratulations Vinny. Just remember bottle in the crying end and a nappy on the brown end after that you'll be grand.

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{Ed001's Note - you have to be careful with that kind of advice Bazza. You might not realise it, but some people do have other colour skins than white!}

25 Aug 2019 13:07:49
Hahahahahaha let’s say bazza ment the smelly end
Up the pool.

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25 Aug 2019 14:02:58
Congratulations!

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25 Aug 2019 14:40:33
Congratulations Vinny,
I have 3, my daughter is 8 months old. It goes fast sir, enjoy it.
Matt in FL.

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25 Aug 2019 16:33:28
Thanks for all the messages lads, unfortunately my wife was against me calling her Mo or Sadio haha. Ed1 no I'm not related to the other 007 he's possibly a manc spy (just saying) . Thanks again lads.

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{Ed001's Note - do you mean Ed007 or just 007? Ed007 would be the world's worst spy.}

25 Aug 2019 16:40:33
And then Ben Stokes smashes the Aussie’s all around Yorkshire!

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25 Aug 2019 17:00:50
Congrats, OP.

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25 Aug 2019 19:55:06
Should have said smelly end then Tris.

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{Ed001's Note - that you should mate.}

25 Aug 2019 21:30:11
Congrats vinny.

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25 Aug 2019 22:30:09
Congratulations mate. She will never walk alone👌🏻.

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25 Aug 2019 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 25th August 2019

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25 Aug 2019 10:02:46
Hi ed001

Not sure if I missed something but ate you doing your match reviews anymore?, I spend most of my day after the match refreshing the site to find it haha.

Many thanks and enjoy your day after the big win yesterday.

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{Ed001's Note - ah sorry mate, we have been covering the match reviews in our Liverpool podcast instead.}

25 Aug 2019 10:49:45
Ah thanks very much will give them a listen. I knew I had missed something.

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{Ed001's Note - no worries, they take such a long time to do, and they are being covered in the pods so it just seemed silly to do both.}

25 Aug 2019 11:04:40
Ed probably a silly question. What’s easiest way to access the Match review podcasts. I’ve tried search engine but it just brought up lots of comments.

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{Ed001's Note - they are not really match review podcasts, they are just general Liverpool pods but we review the matches as part of it. You can find them here: Podcasts on the podcasts page of football-news-views.co.uk.}

25 Aug 2019 11:20:18
Ed001 much appreciated I’ve saved it to my favourites now.

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{Ed001's Note - you might want to listen first before doing that!}

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