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26 Feb 2024 10:51:53
Ed001 great result yesterday I thought the ref was awful once again.
I can't believe how lucky we was in the summer with Caicedo turning us down he reminds me of Timo Werner and Sancho all had rave reviews about them but every time I see all 3 of them they looked awful. I thought I was just catching them have bad games but from now on I will just believe my eyes rather than the so called experts on tv.

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{Ed001's Note - it is amazing how much Caicedo is struggling at Chelsea, the whole set up is a mess there at the moment though.}

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26 Feb 2024 11:20:20
It really feels like chelsea are making a mess out of everything possible. Even the captain situation! Choosing two injury plagued players for captain and vice captain makes no sense. Captain there should be Connor Gallagher in my opinion.

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26 Feb 2024 07:55:45
One Down, 3 to go. let's send off Klopp with a bang, if for nothing to put to bed the arguement of who is better Klopp or Pep? Winning the Quadruple and leaving when the ovation is loudest is the best gift we can give Klopp.
Just hope the reason behind his leaving is not an health issue, he does look tired.

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26 Feb 2024 09:44:13
Xpertoyin for me, whatever was left of the debate about who is better btw Pep and Klopp died last night and it was Klopp's Kids who lay the final death blow and killed it, IMO.

As for Klopp, his farewell tour has officially begun. Whatever happens now, he will leave as a transformational figure of this great institution like Shanks before him and will be on the Mount Rushmore of PL managers when all is said and done, IMO. Not for what he has won (which is a lot and counting) cos other managers have won more BUT rather for how and with whom he won them.

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26 Feb 2024 09:46:01
How can klopp be better than Pep when Liverpool is not playing champions league this season? We need to compare apples with apples.

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26 Feb 2024 10:10:53
Hopefully the owners try and persuade Jurgen to stay I doubt he will but I hope they have tried everything to keep him. The man’s a legend
Up the pool.

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26 Feb 2024 10:21:49
We all want the miracle turnaround from JK Coulred, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

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26 Feb 2024 11:04:30
I love Klopp to death. He is a walking legend and what he has done for this club cannot be articulated. He deserves the quadruple as a proper send off to his tenure here. But we have to come to the realisation that he is leaving. And FSG have to secure the next best thing in Alonso ASAP. If we hang around trying to convince Klopp to stay or deliberate on the next manager, we face missing out on Alonso all together.

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Speculation On Manchester United's Next Manager

26 Feb 2024 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Speculation On Manchester United's Next Manager

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26 Feb 2024 08:58:04
Why sack Seven Hag, Shaps?

Thought all Man U's problems were down to injuries and not baldie in the dugout? I mean, didn't you say a manager is only as good as the players he can select after all?

Unless his name is Mauricio Pochettino (in which case he'll be worse) or Jurgen Klopp (in which case he'll be better) that is. As evidenced yesterday.

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26 Feb 2024 07:09:32
What a game, what a victory. I just wonder, Ed001 and Reds, what's the thinking behind Chilwell being subbed off in that game. He was fired up and sometimes nasty, but was the most senior and experienced person on the pitch, and even if he had a yellow, they needed that level of experience and character in the game. Not that I'm complaining, but as a student of the game, I'm just curious what you guys make of that decision.

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{Ed001's Note - he has been injured and was struggling for fitness. Plus he was not playing well and losing his head with his frustration. Bad choice for captain as he has a horrible attitude anyway. Off the pitch I mean. The mistake was not having a better option to change him, rather than changing him.}

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26 Feb 2024 08:48:30
Chillwell really showed his class picking on the kids.

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26 Feb 2024 11:22:32
Chilwell is a shallow, entitled man of small character. Other than actively vile people, like Joey Barton and El-Hadji Diouf, guys like Chilwell are the worst people to put in positions of leadership or build teams around. The Ben Chilwells of the world are obnoxious to be around but without any of the charm that accompanies leaders who may have obnoxious traits but also try to help others and have genuine conviction in their decisions.
The episodes at Anfield, where Chilwell was so unbothered about his duties as a captain he left a mascot alone in front of 60,000 fans, and last night, where he allowed his team to lose to a bunch of academy kids who are basically not even professionals yet show he is a disgrace of a captain.

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26 Feb 2024 00:23:52
This is what Klopp built, an absolute machine, a unit. We're laughing for the future because of him. It'd take one hell of a terrible manager to bugger it all up now, we're future proof with these young lads. For them youngsters to come in with little to no experience and win a cup final? it's unheard of!

Klopp is an absolute legend, this team, their mentality, it doesn't matter who plays will always give 100%, this is what gets us the results.

An incredible cup win, should've been 2-0 but VAR was just the same old as per usual, absolute nonsense as was the ref. When you consider how many of our main players were out, all of the youngsters in, Chelseas team vs our kids, the refs terrible performance and VAR yet we got that win? it's unbelievable jeff!

That's 1/ 4 trophys done onto the next, every game is a final now. Bring on Southampton.

Believe. I think we're going to win the lot, there's nothing stopping this lot. It doesn't matter who is on the pitch and I believe we proved that today. It's the mentality and mental fortitude Klopp has instilled across the board, they're all worthy, every single player.

Let's just say hypothetically, Alonso is considering us, I mean he must be? but watching this lot he'd be rubbing his hands together, he has so much to work with it's unreal, he'd be walking into almost instant success with his management skills and the quality we have.

Very exciting times. GET IN Liverpool!

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26 Feb 2024 01:07:26
Credit must be due to FSG as well for their long-term view in building the Kirkby training centre which has resulted in these kids being able to fit seamlessly into the first team. All seven of them! We're seeing the rewards of that now.

Are FSG really 'fleecing us' when this is what the model produces? I know we're all obsessed with Chelsea's academy, but perhaps they'd do better if they sometimes played some of them instead of selling them off like cattle. Just sayin ;)

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26 Feb 2024 06:46:35
It’s nothing to do with fsg and you’ll all see it when Klopp goes.

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26 Feb 2024 07:18:34
You should fully emulate your namesake Mr Bean - you’ve already half way there as you’ve got the comedy sorted out.

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26 Feb 2024 07:51:23
We will see WDW, wasn’t no good before Klopp was it.

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{Ed001's Note - that was before the academy rebuild took effect. It is not difficult to understand, it takes time for investment to take effect.}

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26 Feb 2024 08:05:48
Probably FSG’s biggest decision coming up in their Lfc tenure of who replaces Klopp.

Alonso seems to be the stand out candidate and I hope they move heaven and earth to get him.

Beyond Alonso I’m not really sure who there is.

I know FSG like their stats model and there’s a few managers out there who have won things that might appeal to them stat wise but we should 100% swerve.

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26 Feb 2024 08:49:53
Props to hicks for bringing klopp to his spiritual home. Oh, wait a minute.

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26 Feb 2024 09:48:07
Salah, brilliant post. Re: Alonso, anyone who thinks he and his fam (LFC fans thru and thru) were not watching that final must be off their rocker. He is who we need and who I want right now. My hope is FSG approach him and that he takes it to fulfill his dream of managing the club he STILL supports till this day. Here's to hoping.

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26 Feb 2024 09:54:43
Mr Bean, it’s been said a number of times that one of the great things that FSG has done (probably the best thing) for the future of the club, is the investment in putting together the training centre and bringing all the age groups together in the one place.

You probably didn’t see it, (not being a Liverpool fan and all) but after the match yesterday when he was interviewed young Bradley said it was a big challenge playing in the final but that the lads coming through the Academy have played the same way the seniors play, coming up through the U-18’s and the U-21’s, so that they knew what their role was and what they were expected to do. So, yes, we’ll see how it goes when Jurgen leaves.

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26 Feb 2024 10:30:29
An incredible game. An incredible squad. An incredible club. An incredible manager. And, what incredible fans!

If ever there was a "club win", this was it.

The "Allez, Allez" in extra time was the death knell for Chelsea. The kids literally became 10 foot tall and displayed the confidence of serial winners.

Kudos to Alex Inglethorpe and the academy coaches. I have questioned the quality of the academy in the past but boy was I wrong. There was the debate about loans vs having them around the senior squad, with the level of PL2 football being considered insufficient.

Quansah's first touch after coming on in extra time was to dribble past Nkunku. McConnell spun two Chelsea players in midfield and drove the team forward in extra time. Bobby Clark was tenancious, tidy and played a key role in the play that led to the winning corner. He also got on Chilwell's pip - which was a bonus. Jayden Danns pressed and ran Chelsea's two centrebacks ragged after coming on and almost grabbed a couple of goals. And Harvey Elliott - what a shift. 120 minutes of pure heart and courage!

The senior players too showed their character and leadership. Kelleher should have this cup named after him. What a performance. Diaz ran and ran Gusto into delerium. MacAllister and Endo put in a midfield clinic and fair play to Tsimikas who put in two fabulous corners. And lastly, the captain. The best centreback we are ever likely to see.

Incredible.

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25 Feb 2024 21:49:53
Ed001 I can't wait for your match review. I thought the ref was once again awful Chelsea should have had two yellow cards but he did nothing then we lose another player because once again the ref loses control of a game.
But I don't think I have ever been more proud of our team to win a cup final with the amount of youth players in the squad today was amazing. I hope all of them go on to reach their full potential and if so we have a very bright future.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't normally review cup games. If I get time I will do so though.}

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26 Feb 2024 01:57:57
In fairness though it looked nasty I didn’t think Caicedo’s challenge was malicious or that it warranted a red. The goal that was ruled out for offside however ….

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26 Feb 2024 02:01:44
Please review this one mate! The kids made us super proud!

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{Ed001's Note - OK Doc, just for you!}

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26 Feb 2024 05:15:09
Caceido should have been a yellow for sure but not a red (but then Jones’s red some time ago should have been a yellow too, and this tackle was a lot worse! ) .

On the topic of consistency, the first goal being ruled out I can just about understand, but then going forward anyone in an offside position that impedes a defender tracking back has to be a foul and we all know that’s not going to happen! Definitely a point that needs to be clarified.

I still don’t agree that means the ref lost control of the game though, it wasn’t a great performance but I’ve seen a lot worse and he generally kept things ticking over without unduly influencing the game too much (VAR made the call on Endo and not reviewing the Caceido challenge) .

Most importantly though, that first 15mins of extra time tells you everything you need to know about Klopp, Liverpool and the academy. Such confidence and spirit to take the game to them given the circumstances and Chelsea just faded by comparison. A worthy win for that 15mins along where the kids stepped up like seasoned pros under the pressure and Klopp deserves huge respect for making that call and putting his own credibility at risk in a major final.

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26 Feb 2024 06:26:13
For the offside, I wish they'd just say that, interfering with play or not, if you're offside, you're offside. That then takes away any sort of is he/ isn't he.

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26 Feb 2024 06:53:19
Should have some time this week Ed cos you don’t normally review Southampton games either ;)

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{Ed001's Note - hahaha good point. I don't think I have ever done a Southampton review have I? Can anyone remember if they ever saw one?}

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26 Feb 2024 07:21:59
If ever there was a game to watch back its that 1 ed1. Magnificent, just a joy to watch that sort of gutsy determined game. Haven't enjoyed a cup final as much since 05.

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{Ed001's Note - it is just time at the moment. I am looking forward to watching it again.}

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26 Feb 2024 09:49:22
Come on, go on. I know you're just dying break that trend, aren'tcha?

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26 Feb 2024 10:04:49
Caicedo should’ve been sent off in the first half but not for that challenge. That was a yellow for me but he did enough fouls in one half of football to warrant 3 yellow cards!

However, if we are being consistent then the VAR should’ve called the ref over to the screen and showed him a freeze frame of the contact. Then the ref would’ve had no choice but to send him off.

That’s the frustration for most of us, the inconsistency.

It’s a clear tactic for a lot of PL teams to have players standing offside at free kicks and to block the defenders coming back. I’ve seen it dozens of times and I’ve never seen it called offside. All of a sudden it’s offside?

Where’s the consistency? It’s just so frustrating.

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25 Feb 2024 23:17:25
Szbozlai's record of winning a trophy every year of his career is nicely in tact.

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