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23 May 2022 13:34:37
Think the disappointment comes from villa blowing a 2-0 lead with 15 minutes to go. That's the thing that still sticks with me. A league is over 38 games and the first half of the season made it hard for ourselves. Think stevie definitely was deflated with what could have been but made a few poor decisions towards the end of the game. Those villa defenders were always going to be found put though to a brilliant man City team but 2 goals up with 15 to go. hopefully Saturday will rid this disappointment.

23 May 2022 14:16:26
Shouldn’t be reliant on other teams to win us the league!

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{Ed077's Note - have LFC beaten Man City in the league in this decade(2020s)?

23 May 2022 14:26:00
Agree that ideally you put yourselves in a position whereby it doesn't matter what others do and that, more often than not, the final table doesn't lie.

However, I think the point was (and it's exactly how I feel too) that regardless of what had happened in the previous 37 matches, we found ourselves in a position in the final match that I don't think many of us expected - City losing 2-0 at home with less than 20 minutes remaining in a match they had to win. Admittedly there wasn't actually a time in the match when City were dropping points whilst we were taking maximum points but with City trailing and us needing just to find a winning goal, I really thought we were going to do it. For City to come back in the way they did, three goals in six minutes, felt like a massive body blow.

It would have felt less disappointing if City had wrapped it up by half-time. I went into yesterday with very little expectation and not expecting to feel any great disappointment if it didn't go our way. But given the way the City match unfolded, I felt gutted by the end.

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23 May 2022 14:45:59
Really shouldn’t be relying on others to do our work. Villa were professional and did their absolute best to make a game of it. Our failure to win against Brighton and Brentford caused us to finish second.

As for opposition fans who mock us, they’re so far behind they should be concerned as they’ve not caught up for four or five years and are as far behind now as then and aren’t likely to ever get close, If they’re equally as happy when city win it year in year out without contest for the next 10-20 years then we’ll see.

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23 May 2022 14:52:16
only our selves to blame but completely agree - had zero expectation yesterday but it's the hope that kills! Also, doesn't help that Villas defending was abysmal for the goals!

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23 May 2022 14:58:41
Fully agreed vvvv. what a season. we ran them all the way and they know it. Lot of ifs and buts and var decisions. Mock us at your peril. More City fans in disguise than there's city fans. We are the only team challenging them EVERY season. Win the champs league. regroup and take them on again next season with more hunger.

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23 May 2022 15:34:51
Just to add to this, I believe if we could've gotten our nose in front against Wolves earlier, especially if it was before half time in the games, it would've put more pressure on City and therefore had an effect on the outcome.

An absorbing last day though! No point in navel gazing, we still have a job to do next weekend!

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23 May 2022 15:38:46
can we really blame a few odd results? we got 92 points and if that isn't good enough then sorry we have to just say that City were the better this time around, But we have had an amazing season the team is a joy to behold, and we still have old big ears to go for on Saturday. what a team. YNWA.

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23 May 2022 13:12:34
What’s peoples general thoughts regarding the original front 3? I personally am not concerned with the fact they are approaching 30. I don’t think 30 years of age now is what it used to be. Players now tend to be lots fitter, healthier and the top players are now able to go on much longer in their careers. I am concerned however that all 3 are heading into the last year on their deals. Starting next season without any signing new deals is obviously not practical financially for the club and obviously provides real uncertainty in pure footballing terms come the end of next season. I guess what I’m asking is would you be happy for all 3 in a worst case scenario to be sold and replaced with the proceeds rather than leave for free or would you be more happy to head into the new season with all of them with their current contacts still in limbo? I just think something has to give with at least 2 out of the 3. My feeling is we will definitely not be heading into next season with our existing front 5.

23 May 2022 13:31:39
If I was a betting man, I'd wager that we'll sell one, renew one and let one run their deal down. No idea who though.

I do think the Spanish giants might have some influence though. Would Real or Barcelona fancy one of them? Hard to say.

In addition to that, Sadio's renaissance as a no9 might block Bobby's opportunities so perhaps we can deduce something from that? However, from what Ed has previously suggested, Bobby is very happy where he is so keeping him on in a limited role might not be too difficult.

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23 May 2022 13:31:52
Salah’s first half of the season he looked like the indispensable one.

Mane’s 2nd half of the season he looked like the indispensable one.

Bobbys probably had his most frustrating season as a LFC player suffering 5 different muscle injuries.

If we had to lose one then for me it would be Bobby but I have a horrible feeling we could end up losing both Salah and Mane.

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23 May 2022 13:35:50
Some players can go on for longer than others. Mane and Salah for example look like they'll maintain these levels for a few more years. Firmino on the other hand is clearly not what he once was and that's why he isn't in our best XI anymore, despite still being a very good player.

If we can't get them to sign new deals, I'd be okay with selling one of Mane and Salah as we'll need monies to replace players of that calibre!

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23 May 2022 13:51:37
Just about our attack in general:
Personally speaking, I feel it is time for Firmino to move on. He’s been a fabulous player for this club and instrumental in its revival post 2015, but he is not as good as he was and is becoming injury-prone.
Mané and Salah need to be offered new contracts. Though Mané is done as a top-level wide player, he has all the tools he needs to be a world-class CF. Salah is Salah.
As for the others, I think letting Origi go is a mistake though it is understandable if he himself wishes to move on. I feel the same way about Minamino should we decide to sell.
I think Jota should get another year to improve but I wouldn’t be averse to selling him this summer; he scores goals but our attack looks two tiers worse with him in it. Diaz needs no explanation, he’s a firecracker of a player that will lead our attack for the next few years.

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23 May 2022 14:55:15
Personally I think we should let Firmino run his contract down, we wouldn’t get a huge fee and he’s better in the squad with his experience and he deserves a send off like Origi.

I’d like us to renew Salah and Mane but they might have other ideas, which is fair enough. But we then have to decide sell or let them leave for free. If they leave we then have to find two top class forwards to replace them, which is hard to do as it’s a costly business and we’re as likely to find the next Diouf as we are to the the next Salah.

I think if we sell Minamino as well that would be four of our forward options out the door which would be far from ideal, so we’d need to sigh three players to make sure we’ve enough cover to compete in four competitions.

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23 May 2022 15:07:58
Try and keep mane and salah. Lowel i agree with you about mane out wide. not the same player anymore but upfront he's doing well.
Salah just except the contract and let's move forward or say you want to leave. enough is enough now.
Jota has had a decent goal return BUT he needs to do more. Keep.
Bobby its time to replace. overdue for me too. Too many injuries now.
Origi. with regret he had to go, we need better. Always be remembered though.

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23 May 2022 12:20:48
So Carvalho is officially done. Where do you think he will fit in Ed01? I haven't seen him play in a game but from the highlight reels I can’t really place his position. Is he a winger, a midfielder, a false 9? I previously put on here I saw him more as a midfielder but that wasn’t really based on anything! Who in our team is he most like? Thanks in advance.

{Ed001's Note - he is a midfielder, very attack-minded, so could end up as a false 9 type player or drop a little deeper into central midfield. Perhaps we could even tweak the system to play 2 deep and 1 in front in midfield to give him freedom. He is still young enough to adapt his position a lot.}

23 May 2022 12:46:01
The future looks very bright with him, Elliott, Jones, TAA. I'm sure there are a couple in the academy that will contribute as well. Very exciting to see these players develop.

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23 May 2022 13:10:07
So do you think the interest in Tchouameni is because of carvalho in a way so we can play two sitting him and him in front? . Or can he play centre mid?

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{Ed001's Note - he can play centre-mid.}

23 May 2022 14:56:16
Tchouameni is off to Madrid, I’d say our interest is dead.

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23 May 2022 15:09:04
Looks like a real bargain again.

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23 May 2022 12:16:23
So now that the league season is over, who would be in your team of the year? I've gone with a 4-3-3 because that's what the top two teams played for the majority of the season.

GK - Alisson. I don't think there were any truly outstanding candidates this season. Alisson was huge for us though, coming up with big one-on-one saves time and time again to keep us in the title race.

RB - TAA. Is there a better fullback, let alone rightback, in the world right now?

CB - VVD. Might not be back to his very best, but a VVD at 85% is still head and shoulders above anyone else.

CB - Marc Guehi. Personally thought it was very risky to spend so much on a defender without any top flight experience. One excellent season after, it looks like a mistake by Chelsea to sell him, especially with so many CBs leaving.

LB - Joao Cancelo. Arguably City's best player this season, which is saying something.

DM - Declan Rice. Very good player who had another very good season. You can see why West Ham are desperate to keep him, and why the top teams are desperate to sign him.

CM - KDB. If I could take only one player from City to add to the Liverpool squad, it has to be him. Brilliant player producing brilliant moments in another brilliant season.

CM - Bernardo Silva. He really stepped up this season. I thought about putting in the likes of Conor Gallagher in this final CM spot, but City simply wouldn't have won the title without Silva's contribution so he gets the nod.

RW - Salah. Suffered a dip after AFCON, but he was arguably the best player in the world for the first half of the season. I also thought about Saka, Bowen and Raphinha for half a second, but Mo was on top of both goals and assists tables despite missing an entire month of league football, so impossible to leave him out.

LW - Son Heung-Min. Critical to Spurs's CL qualification and ended up equal on goals with Salah.

ST - Sadio Mane. He gets in despite playing half the season out wide. This was in part down to how good he was through the centre and in part down to how dreadful the other striking options were.

23 May 2022 12:48:28
No Thiago?

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23 May 2022 12:36:07
Alisson

Trent
Matip
Virgil
Cancelo

Rodri
De Bruyne
Silva

Salah
Kane
Son.

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23 May 2022 12:54:57
The whole Liverpool team + our subs.

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23 May 2022 13:05:50
That's a very good side, OP.
One change would be Kane for Mane, for me.

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23 May 2022 13:25:11
Andy robertson is the best left backs in the world. He's the clear left back slot. Cancelo is right up there but robertson is definitely overlooked by even some liverpool fans.

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23 May 2022 11:00:26
I think we’ve been competitive with city now for the last 4 seasons and in that period “ hopefully my math is correct😏” city has won 7 trophy’s and if we can win the champions league on Saturday it will be 7 for us also. Over those 4 years I would not swap their trophies for ours,

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23 May 2022 11:49:27
Well the only trophy we've competed in under Klopp and not won now, is the Europa League so it's hard to be disappointed.

Last time we finished 1 point behind Man City in the league, we went and won the Champions League that season and then started the next season with a whopping 29 game unbeaten run to cruise to the title. These players react in the right way to disappointment so i fully expect us to bounce back!

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23 May 2022 13:03:48
I think it's fair to say, this squad and coaching team know what it takes to win trophies now. They haven't been shy about talking about this "mentality reset" and "internal agreement" in January to spark this amazing run in 2022. That suggests they were not happy with the performance levels of the first half of the season and did something about it. I am sure they will take that into the next season.

I get the feeling that the winning culture that Klopp has instilled is running right the way through the club now and all of the players are embracing it. That bodes well for going again and again! This culture I hope, will be Klopp's biggest legacy when he leaves.

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23 May 2022 14:53:45
City seem to be a little bit iffy in cup competitions. Not sure if they overlook other clubs thinking they'll blow them away or what.
They'll win a champions league at some point, they're too strong and too rich not to.
The good news for us is knockout football seems to suit us, we are very good at raising our game for that one game when we need to and finding that extra gear.

In the league its a different matter, City are a machine in the league and we have been superb keeping pace with them but I do wonder how long we can keep that up. I actually think we'll drop away a bit in the league next year in terms of points. I think we will still finish second as the gap between city and pool compare to the rest of the league is huge.

The trouble is the players we sign come with that little bit of extra risk as we have to be more shrewd with transfers. We can't afford to buy the finished article, I don't think i've ever seen Liverpool seriously in contention for a player who is deemed the best in the world in his position. (a lot of people laughed at us for signing virj) . It makes it all the more satisfying when we find those players don't get me wrong, but we can't continue churning hidden gems season after season.

Its great that we have signed so many young talents ie elliot, carvalho, jones etc but not every young player will turn out to be a world beater. Some will, some wont.

The issue for us currently is replacing the older lads and the lads who aren't going to stay.

Personally I think salah wants out, we don't know the deal with mane yet and bobby . Either way that's a lot of goals that need replacing.
People will point to Diaz and the start that he's made and rightly so, he's been mega sharp since coming in. But let's say he is the direct replacement should mane leave, that leaves him having to score 23 goals to equal manes contribution this year.

Will he do that? Maybe. For everything he's brought to the club he has put a lot of shots wide or blasted shots straight at defenders. Next year he would hopefully start to hit the target more which we would need. by no means is this a slight on the lad by the way, just an observation.

Then if salah leaves that's 31 goals we are losing (this year) . Ideally you would need to make a signing to replace Salah, but for those sort of number you need big money. We don't have that sort of money, even if we managed to bring in a fee for mane, bobby or salah its not going to be much and certainly not enough to buy a guaranteed like for like replacement. Again people will say about the lad we've signed from Fulham but he's still a kid and they're big shoes to fill. A.

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23 May 2022 15:04:39
Sorry eds, pressed send too soon on my last post.

Anyway going on.

If we beat Madrid in the final that's when the real hard work starts for us. We do need signings and we have no money and seemingly no money coming in. City have bought Haaland which only looks like it will make things even more difficult next season, hopefully things don't quite click for them but then we are relying on city collapsing rather than us winning it ourselves.

All that being said we have made the best signing of the season when Klopp penned a new deal, that's more important than any of the players signing in my opinion.

This season has been tough but next year will be a real slog.

We are as big globally as most other teams on the planet, (much bigger than some of the blank cheque book teams who we won't mention) but yet money seems to come into Liverpool via one door and straight out of the other. We could of won the quad this year, signed a new shirt sponsor, sold the rights to name the stadium and we still wouldn't be paying a player half a million per week.

Whos knows how you get to that level?

Anyway, the point of the whole post is as great as we have been this season we have a few obstacles to navigate in summer and even if we win the champions league we are going to have to pull of some transfers of epic proportions should salah, mane and bobby leave.

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23 May 2022 15:48:31
City have won 6 of the last 9 league cups and 1 of the last 4 FA cups.
They are definitely iffy in the CL but not sure about cups overall. That’s a fairly decent return now the league cup and FA cup are no longer Mickey Mouse cups.

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23 May 2022 09:47:14
Thiago out for the CL final is a hammer blow so i'm glad Fabinho is fit to return (as per Klopp) .

One thing i noted watching Madrid against City, is Modric and Kroos are losing their legs. Ancelotti actually hooked them both and put Valverde and Camavinga in midfield because they couldn't cope with De Bruyne, Foden or Bernardo's energy.

With that in mind I'd (controversially) play Elliott or Jones alongside Fabinho and Henderson. I mean i know it will be Keita in reality, but i think either of the 2 young lads would just be too much for their aging midfield to handle. Alternatively we could play Firmino in an advanced midfield role to basically just stifle Modric (he's fully capable of marking him out of the game) .

I'm sure Klopp has one more master stroke up his sleeve this season though and we're basically full strength minus Thiago and Origi.

Time to believe again lads, she's is coming home to Anfield again!

23 May 2022 10:00:04
that's interesting cos I've never noticed either of Elliot or Jones to be the kinds of players that scream energy and running.

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23 May 2022 10:18:14
I remember the last time Keita played against Madrid.
Also remember everyone saying their midfield was too old last time as well. Going to be a tough game this one.

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23 May 2022 10:27:33
Faith, i'm really quite surprised by your comment mate. They have bundles of energy!

Jones presses with a similar intensity that Lallana used to at his peak. Sometimes i wonder what he's doing sprinting to close down the goalkeeper with 85 minutes on the clock! He plays with his heart on his sleeve every time, even if he does take too many touches at times.

Elliott for sure doesn't press with the same kind of aggression but he buzzes about a lot and pops up all over the midfield or out wide trying to get on the ball. Once he gets his confidence back he'll be kicking the door down again to start in my opinion.

Different players, but both have the energy to cause an aging Madrid team problems in my opinion. If Thiago was fit i wouldn't even think twice but as he isn't, I think we need to pick a midfield that can outrun them as we won't outplay them in my opinion.

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23 May 2022 10:45:44
Just saying I've not noticed it. Maybe I've missed it but when I think bundles of energy, pressing etc I definitely don't think of those two.

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23 May 2022 10:46:14
Very tough Mikey1985. Benzema is world class but i think people are underestimating Vinicius. He has the most goal contributions of any u21 player in Europes top 5 leagues. He'll be a real handful.

And even when Modric and Kroos were struggling against City, Camavinga came on and bossed it.

I think we'll win but i think it'll be very tight. Maybe even another penalty shoot out 😬.

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23 May 2022 11:24:58
As they say football is a funny old game.

We are worrying about legs in midfield against 2 players that have the combined age of 68 (36 and 32).

Despite our concerns about Modric and Kroos legs we were also happy to get rid of Salah and Mane as they are approaching their twilight years of 30.

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23 May 2022 11:50:58
Vini Jr is the one to watch yeah your absolutely right, everyone attacks down our right side as it is and this will be no different.
Not sure I would be playing Jones or Elliot though mate. definitely not starting anyway. Jones for me still looks a little lost at times, a bit unsure on what to do, playing him in a champs league final against probably the most experienced midfield in the world at this level will be suicide. Elliot is still very young for me, he looks great when he has experience around him looking after him but this game is too important to throw in a kid, even one as great as him. Be great to see him get some minutes though, once we are 3 up 😉
Nah I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this one goes to penalties, even if we are probably the better team on paper.

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23 May 2022 12:09:57
I wouldn't have Curtis involved, just not got any confidence in him in these sort of games. Gutted Thiago is out, that is a massive blow. He must be devastated. Fingers crossed salah turns up on Saturday.

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23 May 2022 12:15:22
Spot on JK23.

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23 May 2022 12:17:29
Modric and Kroos have never needed pace, their positioning and reading of the game more than counters that, Kroos in particular has never been the most mobile centre midfielder. The only way we win the game is by preventing those two any time on the ball.

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23 May 2022 12:25:12
Agreed MK. For that reason alone I would be playing Hendo to support Trent and Konate as he he the pace to recovery that Matip does not. A shame as I feel Matip’s going forward may be required. I think Keita is more effective on the right of the midfield but I would never do that for the reasons as above. I wouldn’t mind Jones playing but I think Milners experience may be called upon and I would be comfortable with that on the left of our midfield 3. Even at his age he offers far more going forward than most of our other midfielders.

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23 May 2022 12:26:42
Jk23, i'm not worried about legs. I'm suggesting that could be a game plan to counter Modric and Kroos. Let's be honest if it becomes a battle of who is the better footballers, their midfield trumps ours without Thiago.

I'd even rather Milner over Keita to be honest. He might be flagging by 60 minutes but he'll get right in the face of Modric and Kroos. We cannot afford to give them time. When we last played them we stood off Kroos a handful of times and he was creating goals from his own half.

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23 May 2022 12:41:28
I'd also play Konate, Westwood. I know he made a mistake yeaterday but his pace mopping up in behind Trent could be a deciding factor. Vinicius is absolutely rapid.

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{Ed0666's Note - Konate makes me nervous every time he plays. He is not at the desired standard yet Mo where near actually.

23 May 2022 12:47:39
Gutted for him.
Alli
Trent
Matip or konate?
Vvd
Robbo
Milly
Fab
Hendo
Salah
Mane
Diaz
Reckon that's the best line up for us currently now. Keita will no doubt start though. Salah needs to back up his talk.

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{Ed0666's Note - no way would I start Milner as much as I love him

23 May 2022 13:10:59
Honestly, it will be a great shame if we cannot start Fab-Thiago in the final. I don't even want to think about that possibility right now. I'll postpone my panic until we get news of their fitness as it's not good for the health.

On Konate or Matip - until yesterday I would have said Konate to match Vini Jr speed. But Jimenez gave him a mare yesterday. Although saying that, Matip looked shaky too at times.

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23 May 2022 13:28:03
Is it “official” that Thiago is out?
If he is, there’s no way that Elliott or Jones start a CL final in my opinion, way too stressful for them.
Elliott has hardly started half a dozen PL games lol.

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23 May 2022 13:37:41
Mk my comment was very much tongue in cheek. And I agree Modric and Kroos have never been superior athletes but are a yard ahead of most other players due to their footballing intelligence just like Thiago.

Even if Modric was 56 I’d still be a little concerned about him going into a CL final. I think this game has the ingredients to be amazing. I just really hope we have enough left in the tank for 90 more mins.

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23 May 2022 14:45:20
If Thiago doesn’t make it, Klopp could go with two sitting midfielders anyway, match Madrid.
Fabinho and Henderson.
Maybe have Bobby further up?
That could work for me, Bobby’s creativity to replace that of Thiago’s?

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23 May 2022 15:02:30
Spain manager said today that he’s spoken with Thiago and apparently the injury isn’t serious and he may be fit for the final. Sounded positive?

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23 May 2022 15:11:59
Is he definitely out?

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23 May 2022 09:38:32
Congratulations to Peter on winning the FPL league. I finished second and enjoyed our little battle mate.

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