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15 Jul 2024 08:59:39
Hi all, does anyone know what will likely happen with regards to a ban for Nunez and the rest of the players involved in the crowd the other night? I'm hoping it's international only and not domestic club football.

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15 Jul 2024 11:08:04
I’m pretty sure it will only be a club ban if fifa intervene, deeming the Conmebol punishment to be too lenient
I have no idea why they should be subject to any kind of punishment though.

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15 Jul 2024 11:10:47
It will depend. CONMEBOL are apparently investigating around 11 members of the Uruguay squad regarding the incident. Previous comparable incidents are the FA giving Dier a 4 match ban when he did it in the FA cup and Neymar got a 3 match ban last year from the FFF when he punched a fan after losing the French cup final. Following this precedent you would expect CONMEBOL to issue a 3 or 4 international match ban however, the investigation may highlight extenuating circumstances (protecting his family who were in danger due to the Colombian fans) and possibly even let him off with no or a lesser ban.

The other option is of course that FIFA wade in like they did with Suarez and give him a 4 month ban!

The short answer is, who knows.

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15 Jul 2024 13:00:22
Neymar's ban, I think he deserved it. But this, I don't think any of them should be banned, or maybe at least just a few match bans.

The focus should be more on why the security wasn't present during that time.

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15 Jul 2024 13:12:21
If he gets a ban, it could do us a favour. The club should enroll him in finishing school for however many months he’s off.

There, he can learn etiquette, stress management and expected behaviour while under pressure – and perhaps…. maybe just maybe they can finally teach him how to hit the back of the net!

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15 Jul 2024 08:39:39
Hi all, does anyone know what will likely happen with regards to a ban for Nunez and the rest of the players involved in the crowd the other night? I'm hoping it's international only and not domestic club football.

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15 Jul 2024 09:32:16
Judging by the weekends events with Trump I’d say a little bit of aggro is nothing compared to the usual standards of violence that goes on there. Hopefully it’s swept under the carpet and nothing happens.

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15 Jul 2024 09:42:26
There was trouble in the final and again apparently the players families were caught up in it. Considering the country is going to be a co-host of the WC, sounds like they really need to improve things ahead of the tournament.

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{Ed001's Note - yeah McAllister had to rescue his parents outside the venue according to them.}

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15 Jul 2024 09:53:24
Donald, Duck!

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15 Jul 2024 11:19:09
Ed001, feels like CONMEBOL needs to put in far more stringent and drastic measures to nip these things in the bud. Stadium goers need to understand that such behaviour and actions will not be accepted. I'm thinking the bans of English teams from Europe, during the old "hooligans" days.

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15 Jul 2024 11:33:05
The response needs to be bigger than punishing players who were reacting in a situation that was not under control.

I'm expecting nothing to happen to Nunez and others.

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15 Jul 2024 12:07:06
St Etienne Amen, superb work there.

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Manchester United transfer dealings

15 Jul 2024 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Manchester United transfer dealings

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14 Jul 2024 22:51:44
There is talk niko Williams is being courted by ourselves, if Hughes pulls that one off he is a miracle worker.

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14 Jul 2024 23:28:57
The one from Notts Forest?
Well, as Sir Gareth will tell you: you can't have too many right backs.

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14 Jul 2024 23:36:01
Not going to happen. Apparently he only wants to go Barca.

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14 Jul 2024 23:53:35
Being so certain over an ‘apparently’ 🤦🏼‍♂️.

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14 Jul 2024 23:58:45
But Barcelona have no money.
We might end up with both N Williams and we are in need of another right back and another left winger.
We should sign Venus, Serena and Robbie while we're at it.

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15 Jul 2024 00:01:30
Very dangerous player. 100% Think Barcelona would prefer this kid than Diaz and if so, I reckon he’ll stay with us.

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15 Jul 2024 00:39:53
Great post Rigsby, I still live in hope, us Williams are a formidable clan 😅.

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15 Jul 2024 03:05:42
I think his wage demands might be a bit too rich for us to consider him personally, even if he doesn't end up at Barca. High fee and high wages don't make for a very attractive package. To be fair though, he's outperformed all expectations at the Euros, that performance will probably bump the fee up even more. He does seem to want to go to Barcelona and Laporta talks about him openly to the press, so.

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15 Jul 2024 05:48:29
We won’t be singing another attacker before we offload Diaz. I won’t be surprised if Diaz is still here after the window.

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15 Jul 2024 08:08:05
Well Thunderbird, you can be guaranteed that he won’t be playing for us next season, or the season after that or in fact ever. Just like Bellingham, Tchouameni, et al.

Javier Tebas is on record as saying Barcelona can afford to sign him within Spanish fair play regulations, so I’d say that’s him sorted.

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15 Jul 2024 08:53:15
Well Victor, Bellingham was very much interested to play for us. We did not had the money to bring him in. That’s not the case with Williams or Touchemani. You are right he won’t play for us.

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15 Jul 2024 08:59:48
In the grand scheme of Elite football and the table the club sit at i don't think Williams fee is that high.

I believe he would cost less than what we paid for Alison, Nunez, Kieta, Szob, VVD and Diaz as its being reported its 49 mill.

If Williams is after 200k a week then that's roughly 10 mill a year so couldn't the club off set that with a bigish signing on fee for him to keep his wages down.

Williams at 49 mill and 50 mill (bare in mind some were happy to buy Gordon for 70 with no wages) wages over 5 years is a gamble but its around 20 mill a season an the likelihood is you're buying world class that could demand a far higher fee to sell in the future than it is to buy.

So even just having him for 4 years you're going to have a world class player that you could sell at possibly a higher amount than what you paid.

If Diaz goes for 60 Mill then Williams comes in for exact same fee or less.

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15 Jul 2024 10:04:33
JK23, I read on here from Ed002 that Williams wants 350k Euro a week plus a significant signing on fee. So 200k with potential to negotiate that down with a signing on fee is way wide of the mark if Ed's sources are accurate.

With that in mind (and also his rumoured desire to play for Barcelona one day) I just don't think it's sensible. We'd smash up our wage structure if we signed him in my opinion. Which might be worth it if we'd get 8-10 years of world class performances out of him but odds are Barcelona will come calling once their financial issues are under control and then we'd have another Suarez/ Mascherano/ Countinho/ Reina situation where someone at the club is forcing their way out to get a move to Barcelona. Then what are we left with? Probably a good profit on the 50m euro we'd pay for him sure, but also probably a inflated salary budget because it drove up the wages of everyone in the squad when it came to contract negotiations.

We just don't give that kind of money to young players who still have 3 or 4 contract renewals to go in their career. United, Barcelona, City and Madrid might be able to afford that through whatever means they're using (selling off future earnings, selling lots of CR7 pencil cases, inflating sponsorship deals etc) . However we're just not a club that pays those sorts of salaries.

Williams is 22 years old and has and scored 11 goals in 103 La Liga games, so it's not even really up for debate, he quite simply hasn't done anything in his career yet to justify 350k a week. The 50m euro transfer fee is for his potential so that is fine, but the wages should reflect what he offers in the here and now. Therefore I'd much rather sign Gordon who is himself only 23, will have significantly lower salary expectations, most likely won't swan off to Barcelona in a few years given he's a Liverpool fan, counts towards the HG quota (hence the extra 20m on his price tag) and has a slightly better record of 19 goals in 116 Premier League games despite half of them games being for relegation fodder.

Williams therefore, makes very little sense financially or from a squad harmony perspective. At least not to me, but everyone is entitled to their view and transfer debate is all based on hypotheticals and assumptions anyway so nobody has the authority to claim dominion over what is right or wrong in such a subjective debate. I'd just prefer Gordon.

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15 Jul 2024 10:23:18
MK i hadn't seen ED002's comment on that mate so i was just plucking numbers out of the air. I'll be truthful that was the first time last night that i have seen Spain and therefor Williams in the tournament.

I've not even looked at his stats so that's quite surprising they are that low. I've clearly got match of the day fever which is similar to Youtube fever except you only watch the game once.

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15 Jul 2024 10:33:32
In my opinion at isn’t such a big deal that a player wants to go to real or Barcelona at some point in their career. It turned out fine for Manchester United with Cristiano Ronaldo and for us with coutinho. Also apparently Salah wanted to go to real ever since he got to Liverpool and he’s still with us. As for the qualities of Nico Williams, I have no idea, I haven’t watched any games of him before these euros and international football is a lousy way to judge a player.

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15 Jul 2024 11:38:31
Cracking young player but very raw - young, so to be expected lads to be honest

Looks very dangerous on the left wing and always seems to be one of the players likely to make something happen for a very good Spain side - definitely a good player as it is and one with cracking potential too

That being said, the wages rumoured seem high - think that is due to the club policy though of attracting Spanish and Basque only players perhaps so maybe just pay them well?

Talk is though he only wants Barcelona, but then the talk was Bellingham wanted us so who knows - who knows if Barcelona can actually afford him either.

Saw links between us and Kravadona over the weekend too so shaping up to be the usual summer lol.

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15 Jul 2024 12:39:17
JK23, I'm similar to you mate. I'd never seen him play before these Euro's and I've only watched him 3 times in the this tournament as well.

When I was looking at his record, I also noticed that he has never scored or assisted a goal in a La Liga game against Madrid or Barcelona in his 3 seasons so far. Not to mention that 9 of his 19 La Liga assists in the last 3 seasons came in games where his team scored 4 goals against cannon fodder. So is he a flat track bully? I'd need to watch him at club level to put some context to his goal/ assist record before I could make an informed decision. On the face of it, he doesn't jump out as a significantly better player than Gordon but he still has 11 goals and 19 assists in a strong league by 22 years old.

Gordon scored 7 of his 11 goals last season against Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City, Man United x2, Chelsea and Spurs. However, 8 of his 10 assists last season came in games where Newcastle scored 4+ goals. So although you can make a case that he is a big game player in terms of his goals, he does also love racking up the assists in games where Newcastle are running riot.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer mate so I wouldn't be harsh on yourself with the "MOTD fever" stuff, as he did have a very good game and the way some people have been talking about him you would be forgiven for thinking he scored 30 goals last season! Williams and Gordon are probably at a very similar level and one is a higher cost up front with his fee and the other is a higher cost long term with his wages. So I'd pick Gordon off the back of him wanting to play for us and also being less of an issue to renewing the contracts of others in future.

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15 Jul 2024 13:24:16
MK cheers for the insight and very interesting read.

I quite like Gordon and only used him as an example as the outlay fee would be significant and then throw in his wages.

I agree that when looking at all the factors the fact Williams wants to go to Barcelona and Gordon wants to come to us is huge, plus one is premier league proven.

Gordon can play across the 3 so in a dream scenario we would bring both in buts its probably more likely that we will bring in neither over the likelihood of 1.

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14 Jul 2024 13:06:49
Is Darwin Nunez still in America?
Watching the news I saw the assassination attempt on Trump and it reminded me of Darwin's finishing. Five shots, hits the woodwork once but doesn't get the job done.

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{Ed025's Note - love it Rigsby..

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14 Jul 2024 13:16:24
Too much.
Not funny.
A bystander is dead and 2 are critically ill.

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14 Jul 2024 13:22:45
So nice to see loyalty towards our own players.

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14 Jul 2024 13:32:23
I heard Lukaku is also in America 🤩🤩🤩.

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14 Jul 2024 15:15:42
Ron, it wasn't really Nunez that did it. It was a joke about his finishing and Trump's head.

Walkon, my loyalty isn't strong enough to stop me making jokes about our own players.

It is a banter site afterall.

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14 Jul 2024 17:24:01
It wouldn’t be funny if you made that joke about Olivia Pratt-Korbel or Rhys Jones who were both shot dead as innocent bystanders. May their souls rest in peace.

So I’m calling that out, it’s not funny.

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{Ed025's Note - but he never Ron, come on mate dont look for something that is not there my friend..

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14 Jul 2024 19:01:35
You're right, Ron, it wouldn't and I didn't.
Trump is ok, as far as I'm aware, and Nunez can't finish, allegedly, and happens to be in America and they are the only people I mentioned.
I should have considered the people killed, injured and traumatised by the incident when joking about Darwin's finishing and Trump's head being wooden but I didn't, regrettably.
I apologise if I offended anyone.
.

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14 Jul 2024 19:29:26
Wow! What a man @Rigsby! I tip my hat mate.

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14 Jul 2024 19:32:24
Ron and Rigsby, I always enjoy your posts but Rigsby I don't agree w this one. My sig other and her extended family are from that area. Beautiful part of PA and everyone there is in shock and today we mourn the loss of a volunteer firefighter. Poor judgment my friend.

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14 Jul 2024 20:03:23
I have no problem with your post rigsby and also acknowledge your classy reply to Ron.

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14 Jul 2024 20:22:15
All good Rigsby, just triggered me 👍.

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14 Jul 2024 20:52:55
Well the joke kind of fits the stupidity of the Nunez narrative.
Just make fun of when he doesn’t score and say nothing when he does.
People died. The shooter didn’t miss.

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14 Jul 2024 22:12:19
Faith, the shooter missed his target. But it seems you are more upset by the joke being about Nunez so I'll apologise for that, as well.
I think you are taking some banter about a misfiring striker too seriously though. If he starts to take his chances it'll all be forgotten.
If you are, or anyone, are that confident in Darwin Nunez's ability then the banter won't bother you.
I'm not sold on him yet and can understand the stick he gets. I hope he proves to be a success though.

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14 Jul 2024 22:12:56
Don't know what uz r on about, nunez is scoring 30 pluss next season boys.

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14 Jul 2024 23:22:49
Sorry for getting triggered lads, we all have our moments and our reasons. Thanks Rigsby for the reply 👍

At the end of the day it’s a banter site and Rigsby is a good guy and his intentions were light-hearted so let’s get back to the football banter.

Well done Spain, best team won 👏
Unlucky England, very tight margins 👍.

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14 Jul 2024 23:41:16
Least said soonest mended.

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15 Jul 2024 00:10:23
And thanks for your reply, Ron.
I'll be honest and say that I didn't know that someone had died so I'll admit my post was in poor taste.

I agree on the game tonight. The best team in the comp won and it was good to get to the final, at least.
Spain were underrated before it started but we were til the last game.
I'd sooner lose a Euro final than a CL final.

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15 Jul 2024 01:29:02
I didn't get upset by the joke, just think it's a dumb joke and didn't consider that people had actually died.

Didn't think this one was that difficult to apply a bit of tact before hitting enter.

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14 Jul 2024 12:55:18
Well Spose it's a excuse to go the pub today.

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14 Jul 2024 17:26:49
No way SJ I’m working in London and I couldn’t possibly spend the evening with a group of cockneys, all singing god save our king and it’s coming home!
Would rather watch Everton than England at least they regularly get beat which provides me with some satisfaction.
Spain to win in extra time tonight 🍺🍺.

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{Ed025's Note - a bitter bitter man..unlock the joy in your heart my friend and get a few bevvies down your neck..

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14 Jul 2024 18:23:32
I know, imagine cheering your home country in a final🙄.

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14 Jul 2024 20:00:02
I don’t want Everton to win a throw in never mind a game . But if your English you should be cheering on the team tonight . I don’t mean you should have no top on and painted at St George’s in cross on ya belly but at least want them to win it over Spain . Fair enough if you’re not bothered if they do or don’t but they should have your backing .

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14 Jul 2024 20:08:04
I'm with you SJ.
I'll relish a 16 year old demonstrating how to attack, until the moment Trent may come on, then it's a very different matter for me.
Also, can we stop calling it a National anthem, it's a royal anthem, entirely about one accident of birth. Or, is a monarch the only thing we're proud of as a country?

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14 Jul 2024 20:32:18
Rover you've never cheered for your home country in your life, so give it it a rest.

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14 Jul 2024 21:19:05
Listen how do you think we up here in Scotland feel never been to a final and most probably never will if Spain win then we can say we beat them in the qualifying group.

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14 Jul 2024 21:39:42
I’m from Northern Ireland, we’re not Brazil we’re Northern Ireland but it’s all the same to me 🎵 🎵

In the absence of them being in the finals, which is quite regular enough, I will get behind any home nation and the Republic of Ireland .

I’m not bitter Walkon 👍. Come on England!

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14 Jul 2024 21:56:35
Question who were the last team to be the current European champions am sure the answer is scotland.

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14 Jul 2024 23:07:25
I'm an American that has typically rooted against England in tournaments, but England will be a problem for the world for a while. Lots of young talent incorporated in this tournament. Bellingham, Palmer, Mainoo, Saka, Watkins, Golden, Rice, etc. It's going to be a very strong side for many years.

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14 Jul 2024 23:47:33
Don’t all fight over me going the ale house. yozzer lad I’m with you mate I couldn’t spend. a night in pub with a load of cockneys.

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15 Jul 2024 04:24:43
Well I'm English and my wife is Brazilian so lucky me I get to watch TWO rubbish teams that play slow ambling defensive football.

Also I don't believe anyone should have to support anyone just because they're born there, silly rationale. If you're born in a country that has no football team are you not allowed to like football?

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15 Jul 2024 06:44:59
If only this wasn’t a FOOTBALL site tho Nevada then you might have a point. Maybe people who post on here don’t like football 🤷‍♂️

Unlucky England, small margins. Well played Spain 🇪🇸 👏👏. Best team in the tournament.

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14 Jul 2024 12:41:54
Jaguar, you ask what improvement is needed at DM. Well that question exposes my opinion on what TYPE of DM I believe LFC require. I love the ball playing DM - the likes of Alonso etc but right now I think we need one that makes a tackle, has energy and a defensive mindset. Lost count how many times i've watched LFC recently and been shouting out for someone to just make a tackle. If you want the ball player I will bow to your knowledge.

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14 Jul 2024 13:38:09
Well it depends on how you play. Alonso type only works if you have a couple of destroyers by your side. Unfortunately we have none. Our midfielders are either runners or ball playing.
So yes I would also like a DM. A no nonsense DM. We have enough players who can pick a pass, we need someone who stops an attack.
Endo was an experiment and that more or less flopped as we now need an upgrade. It’s clear, had we bought a first class top DM last season we would have actually won the league.
The problem is we are not linked to any out and out DM atm.

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14 Jul 2024 14:27:49
How was Endo an experiment that flopped? On the contrary, I think he made us look more solid when we played. I agree that we do need one more since he couldn't play the full 90 every single game, but there's no need to put him down to justify your opinion of needing one more DM.

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14 Jul 2024 14:29:59
How did Endo more or less flop? At less than €20m he was pound for pound one of the signings of the season. He’s going nowhere by the way and he’ll definitely have a big part to play in our season with us in 4 competitions, even if we do sign another DM.

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14 Jul 2024 15:01:05
The moment you say “I agree we need an upgrade” you are actually aligning with my opinion.
We needed a top DM last year. Ended up buying a 31 year old stop gap only for us to realize we need one more 😂😂😂. If that’s not a failed experiment then I don’t know what one is.
Nothing wrong with Endo. We needed a starter and a top one. Had no money (Cough cough Caicedo Bid)
The only favor it did was to buy us some time (One full season)

@MK
If we buy a Top DM, then Endo can go as Bajectic would provide the cover or the kid will be pushed further down.

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14 Jul 2024 15:05:03
Do we really need a destroyer over a more creative ball playing type? We tend to be on the attack more than being attacked so a ball playing type seems a bit more obvious to me than a hatchet man?

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14 Jul 2024 15:51:01
Endo is a squad player a damn good one as we know. He was far better than Szoboszlai last season and was a fantastic DM. Is that to say we don’t need a proper destroyer, no, we do. But to say he’s a failed experiment is laughable.

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14 Jul 2024 15:59:19
I'm just waiting for Jaguar to blame us not winning the title next year on a) not buying a pure destroyer of a DM, even though I've never really seen Slot use one (Wieffer certainly isn't that type of player, as we will see with Brighton) and b) not replacing Virgil, who Jaguar will tell us was already 'all over the place' in the Euros.

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14 Jul 2024 16:07:27
Endo did have good season last season I'm not denying that, but I'm not personally sure he was the lynchpin that many believe he was.

He only started 52% of our league games and played just less than 50% of the mins in total of a 38 league game season overall.

If he was that important then we must have got very lucky the other 50% of minutes he didn't play in for us to finish 3rd and be in a title challenge.

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14 Jul 2024 16:32:53
Couldn’t agree more with @JK. Endo did his part and I like him for his professionalism. But that doesn’t change the fact that it was an experiment more or less.
It’s the same case with Nunez. The experiment more or less failed but we are just extending the trial period for one more year 😂
We were short last year. We are still short and if we don’t address it we will again fall short next year.

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14 Jul 2024 16:56:19
Jaguar, I'd like to know who the 'top DM' you're speaking about who would've won us the league. If we had Palhinha or Ugarte instead of Endo, you think we would have won the league? If that's the case, are you saying we didn't win because Endo could have done better, or worse, that he actually failed us in key moments? How do you know that having somebody other than Endo would have given us better results? We didn't win the league for any number of a multitude of reasons, bad finishing, glaring tactical flaws, Klopp's annoucement taking its toll on the players etc., but to suggest that not having a better DM than Endo is really stretching it in my opinion. As if there is really a DM that can cover all the ground that was left exposed in transition by our tactical shortcomings. Maybe Slot's new system won't have us marooned on the counterattack in quite the same way as last season?

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14 Jul 2024 17:05:13
It wasn't an experiment. We bought Endo because we needed a midfielder of that ilk. We missed out on 2 targets (Cacideo and Lavia), didn't have enough time to look at other options. So bought the best we could at that time. Endo and Mac Calister were are best 2 midfielders last season. We need another one who will rotate with Endo, not to replace him. Ideally it would be a better DM.

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14 Jul 2024 17:44:25
We wanted a starter last year and we bought a cover 😀😀😀. What is that people don’t get I don’t know. It’s the same this year, we need a starter, are we looking at one. Not atm 😀😀😀

@Patrik
You are writing a para purely on hypothesis! According to you we should have signed a cover instead of Fabinho some years ago 😂.

Agree that one player doesn’t win you the title, but one player takes us closer than where we are today.

Endo is the sort of player Manchester city sign to rest Rodri 😂. We freking need a Rodri god damn!

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14 Jul 2024 18:39:38
How many are Arteta “Developing, coaching, mentoring, tutoring, nurturing” players 😂😂😂😂.
Rice - £110 mill
Zinchenko - £50 mill
Havertz - £65 mill
Jesus -£45 mill
Ricardo Califiori - £50 mill reported
Ivan Toney - £60 mill reported.

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14 Jul 2024 20:29:59
@Jaguar, you are correct, you don’t know what a failed experiment is. Perhaps you could look up Caicedo and Chelsea or Grealish or Philips and City. You are just trying to sensationalise for the sake of it.

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15 Jul 2024 03:19:47
Jaguar, sure we could do with a Rodri, I mean he is only the best midfielder in the world on form and in terms of importance to both Spain and City, but you missed the fact that he is unique and the only player of his type in the world, just as Fabinho was for us in his prime with his extreme mobility, tactical intelligence, athleticism as well as his ability to shield and pass the ball. You saying 'we need a Rodri' is pointless. Maybe you would feel better if you stopped coveting players/ prospective players from other teams, I'm sure the club is working out what they need and how problems can be solved, when the window closes you can moan but right now it just comes across as a lot of complaining about nothing.

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15 Jul 2024 03:24:41
Criticism of Endo gets on my nerves, man.
He won’t be competing for the Ballon D’or any time soon, right, but do you know who the biggest acknowledger of that is? Endo himself.
He is a highly intelligent, adaptable player humble enough to admit Liverpool might need more quality in the future but I guarantee you the entire squad respects/ rates him highly.
He is an easy target because he is a Japanese player with fewer backers given the relative lack of Japanese-language online presence (it does exist) .
Meanwhile, idiots like Keita “the baller” and Oxlade Chamberlain do absolutely nothing for years yet get half the criticism (exaggeration, I know) .
Show some appreciation to a player who, though he always thought he’d get a chance somewhere, couldn’t believe it was Liverpool that were offering it. He’s damn sure tried to justify the club’s decision every day since.

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15 Jul 2024 03:25:04
Might I add that Fabinho didn't look quite like the player that he became for us when he was bought from Monaco, he spent all his time actually playing as a flying right back before he was switched to the 6, at the time he wasn't in the Brazilian national team, clearly the scouting team identified qualities of his (most of all positional awareness and ability to cover large amounts of space quickly out wide) that would be perfect for the way we were set up and wanted to play. Certainly in terms of profile Fabinho wasn't a big name signing, either, unless you're telling me that at the time you knew he was going to be a world beater.

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