27 Apr 2024 07:52:21
Hi Ed001. Great review of the derby game mate. I agree regarding the Klopp and Linders situation - this has been coming for so long it's almost painful. I am genuinely sad to see Klopp go, however, I am actually relieved that Linders is going. I just hope that Slot brings the return to our original Klopp-style of fast-paced play and this slow meaningless passing is well and truly ditched with Linders departure. Unfortunately, I just want the season to end now and give Klopp the send off he still deserves after giving us so much pleasure over the last few years. We are fans of the club and I am now looking ahead to the "Slot era" which I just hope brings back exciting play.
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{Ed001's Note - thank you mate, fingers crossed for a good send off for him. I am sure the final day at Anfield will have a truly special atmosphere for him.}
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27 Apr 2024 08:33:29
Worse case scenario if Allison were to leave who would be next in to replace the best?
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27 Apr 2024 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Everton v Liverpool - A Quick Liverpool Perspective
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27 Apr 2024 08:06:49
This post perfectly echoes my feelings.
I think as a fan base and club we hang onto things for too long because we're sentimental
Houllier stayed a season longer than he should. So did Rafa. Torres and Gerrard both stayed about 6 months too long and now klopp. The one time the club were decisive was in sacking Brendan, we need to stop letting sunk cost determine our actions.
Had klopp gone two years ago he'd have gone out a hero and with everyone missing him. With time we still will but thanks to two years of awful football and little to no success everyone's feelings will be more of relief than anything.
I am not expecting the football to be anymore exciting under slot but we will probably win more. He has the same death by a thousand passes approach as guardiola which for me is very boring. If you watched city beat Brighton you'll know what I mean, never has 4-0 been so dull.
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{Ed001's Note - I am with you on that, I find Guardiola's teams dull to watch.}
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27 Apr 2024 08:21:35
Completely agree,
It feels sad and wrong to be questioning Klopp after the man brought the club out of the doldrums, but it is clear that he's lost his mojo.
One of the more frustrating things, is it is so obvious the tactics don't suit, and earlier we'd go back to the thing that worked, but now we just seem to plod on regardless.
you would hope that now the new man is more or less confirmed, the players sit up and put in the effort and play to impress, but we also need the tactics to suit them.
The way it is going at the moment I'm worried for losses at West Ham and Villa, a draw against spurs, and a cagey win over Wolves.
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27 Apr 2024 08:25:21
Good read Ed1.
I can’t help but think a huge part of Klopp feeling exhausted is that if not for city (cheating or not? ) he would have won another 2 titles most likely.
It must be exasperating to get 94 and 97 points in two seasons only to lose the title in the last day by a point.
It’s true that watching Liverpool for the last couple of years has been a lot less enjoyable since we switched tactics. Even wining games, it’s rarely a truly enjoyable experience to watch (does that sound spoilt? ), hopefully you get what I mean.
I was devastated when Klopp announced his departure and have ended up looking forward to it as it’s so clearly time for a change (which funnily enough is also a bit devastating weirdly)
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{Ed001's Note - thanks Shaq. I am looking forward to the future now, but I will miss Klopp.}
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27 Apr 2024 07:21:28
Great review of the Everton game Ed01. Totally summed up my feelings re Klopp. Feel a bit disloyal but can't help but feel he should have left a few years ago. I can completely understand why so many on here are criticising him. I feel a bit let down by him, which seems crazy really. I honestly just want the season to be over and the new manager to come in. I never thought I would think like this about Klopp as he made me a true believer again.
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{Ed001's Note - it is horrible, it makes you feel sick inside.}
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27 Apr 2024 08:09:38
As a side note - nobody should feel sick or bad about criticising klopp. When you can't criticise then you are basically a cult.
And someone else on here put it quite well - if the boss says he has nothing in the tank and can't be assed why should anyone expect more of the players?
That applies to fans too. We are fans of the club, when you work for the club that washes over you too, but the minute you stop working for the club you shouldn't expect undying support.
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27 Apr 2024 08:51:43
Who is saying Klopp shouldn't be criticised, Nevada?
And Klopp didn't say I have nothing in the tank unless you have a quote that says otherwise.
Have you ever thought that the players might want to win the League for themselves? Do you really think they are only trying to win it for Klopp or because he tells them what to do?
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26 Apr 2024 17:36:57
The constant sniping at klopp has got to stop. The man has come out and told us he is tired probably being polite. Pressure and stress. DVLA say don't drive when your tired the BMA say don't operate heavy machinery yet here's a man running one of the top 5/ 6 clubs in the world facing setback after setback with the weight of expectations of the millions of fans on his shoulders too . We all make mistakes when we're tired just we don't have 50 news outlets 100 pundits and couple of million fans judging you. He turned the club around and now some of the fans are turning on him. Sad, we call ourselves the best fans in the world " this means more" let's show it then. If we finish 3rd it won't be for the lack of trying. He could have walked out mid season but he showed loyalty and stayed on, let you lot who are having a dig show him some loyalty. He is not the first Liverpool manger to struggle with stress and pressure, shanks, king kenny, smoking joe even Rafa had a touch . I'm glad social media wasn't around in them days. YNWA eh? Unless you slip up, make mistakes then your not one of us.
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26 Apr 2024 19:33:13
Agree with you there, scouse john.
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{Ed025's Note - thats a great post by John by the way..
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26 Apr 2024 19:55:21
Klopps made a lot of mistakes since linders became his assistant and our build up play is non existent then 70 minutes in you can hear him screaming 442 yet we still have no build up play.
He's had a poor end to his career unfortunately and it's the right time to leave but I'm not sure how people can say they hate him, he took us to the next level and is number 3 on the all time list.
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26 Apr 2024 19:43:35
Best post i've ever seen on here.
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26 Apr 2024 20:01:56
It won't stop. It's human nature, John. People need someone or something to blame and lash out against when they are unhappy.
I like to think I'm not too bad but I have been known to shout at the TV 😂.
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{Ed025's Note - I swear a lot Rigsby...and it really helps mate.. :)
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26 Apr 2024 20:39:29
If klopp isn't up to it then he should have left back in Jan. It's what Kenny did when he didn't feel he could handle it.
We all love klopp but the season has been a disaster BECAUSE of how he feels. Could have put someone in charge for the interim and it would have benefited everyone and nobody would have been angry.
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26 Apr 2024 20:55:49
Because we have not won the league means the fan boys aren’t happy, probably new generation keyboard warriors. No manager wins everything but with Klopp we are very much back as being the most successful team in England. Klopp has done so much for us and regardless of how the season ends, he will get the send off he deserves and will forever be a legend at LFC.
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26 Apr 2024 20:54:02
I know what you mean, Ed025 but I watch the games on TV with my lad now so any strong words have to been done under my breath. He's ok with the milder ones. For the Palace and Everton games he has disappeared to play on some device or other and can just switch off from the game.
I wish I could.
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{Ed025's Note - my lads are both married with kids Rigsby and both red hot Liverpudlians mate, luckily they dont hear me so i get carte blanche in my house.. :)
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26 Apr 2024 21:15:12
Could definitely see Liverpool romping to the title under Pep as interim manager from when Klopp announced he was leaving Nevada 😂😂 or maybe Hodgson would have come back for the 2nd half of the season 👀😂.
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26 Apr 2024 21:19:03
At the start of the season no one gave us a glimmer of winning the league, with the midfield rebuild etc. And now everyone is crying that we've dropped to third with a handful of games left to play. 99% of us would of been more than happy with a 3rd place finish this season.
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{Ed025's Note - your spot on ashy..
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26 Apr 2024 21:57:28
Klopp has taken us back to the top. Anyone hating on him now should refresh their memory of what went before him and moreover, what he’s been up against, a club owned by an extremely wealthy nation state with allegations of cheating hanging over them. And he’s still competed. No one before him had that to play against, in those circumstances he’s done exceptionally well. Any other time in the premier league era, he’d have won three or four titles.
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26 Apr 2024 21:57:59
Jurgan Klopp. Liverpool Legend. Simple as that.
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26 Apr 2024 21:59:22
Well said Scouse John - brilliant post.
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26 Apr 2024 22:09:37
Spot on, Scouse John. The modern day fans are just in it for the vibes and the clicks provided their team win and they can go on SM to give it the big ones. Nobody is interested in actually supporting their teams thru thick and thin, the good times and the bad times. it's all about "We are LFC and should be winning trophies". These same turncoats prolly wanted Klopp sacked after last season and didn't even think we would be where we are challeging for the title, winning a Cup the way we did eitc. Now, they are here mouthing off as if someone owes them something. Absolute rubbish.
Klopp could have gone anywhere he wanted as he was the hottest manager at the time and YET he came to us at our worst. We were NOT a club that top managers went to. He came to us and exceeded many of our expectations. He won the freaking LOT, something nobody thought he could, not even me. Klopp gave me my dignity back as an LFC fan. he gave me some of the best times of my LFC supporting life. Could he have won mre? You can say that for every manager BUT the most important thing is that he won when we needed him to win and when his moment came, he WON those moments.
Thanks for ALL you did for me and the rest of my LFC borthers and sisters, Jurgen. We will NEVER forget you. But MOST importantly, find a new purpose in your life. You deserve it. YNWA!
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26 Apr 2024 22:20:11
Nevada, Klopp hasn't said he can't handle it and this season has not been a disaster. Far from it.
He has said he is tired but that doesn't mean he can't handle it. He needs a rest in the summer, that's it. You can't compare what he has said to Dalglish resigning. Dalglish had to deal with Hillsborough and the aftermath. He attended the funerals of those we lost. What effect do you think that had on him?
You're way off the mark comparing what Klopp has said and what Dalglish went through.
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26 Apr 2024 22:35:50
It’s not a brilliant post. It’s all one sided. If he had been the Man U manager and then ended the season like this the same posters would have had a field day.
As a team and as a manager we were favourites for the league with 7 games to go. We even had a 2 week international break to get the players back on track. Something has gone very very wrong. Klopp gets the praise when it goas well but equally deserves criticism when it goes wrong. His team selection and subs v Everton will never ever make sense. He has been great for Liverpool but now it’s equally as important that he leaves.
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26 Apr 2024 22:42:40
Putting an interim manager in could easily have led to the season completely falling apart and ending up outside the top four. And besides there was literally no one remotely suitable available.
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26 Apr 2024 23:22:53
For what it's worth klopp will go down a legend but with an axtric as in could have been better.
I'll always be greatfull for what he's done but I do wish he left a few seasons ago.
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26 Apr 2024 23:23:03
I think a lot of people's arrogance thinking we somehow deserve to win everything comes from the amazing years Jurgen has given us. Don't bite the hand that feeds comes to mind. The same portion of the fanbase that will be on the new gaffers back if he doesn't start his tenure blowing everyone else out the water.
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26 Apr 2024 23:42:33
I think it's an achievement to be favourites for the League with 7 games to go after finishing fifth last season, starting this one with a new midfield and taking into account the seasons both City and Arsenal have had.
I've changed my mind, I think it is an overachievement.
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26 Apr 2024 23:47:50
Trust you walter haha.
A great post John, I think we all love Klopp mate or the vast majority do anyway, he is a bloody legend for this club, if I had it my way he'd have a statue.
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27 Apr 2024 00:01:11
Great post John, I've been getting fed up of some of the negative stuff on SM, it's not like Jurgen has caused this mini slump intentionally! Let's roar him and the team on for these last few matches and remember our great years we've had under this legend of a manager.
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27 Apr 2024 00:36:47
Klopp is a legend and deserves every accolade that comes his way for what he has given to us and our beloved club. But heroics do not detract from failures. He deserves every bit of criticism as well. He turned away from the style and tactics that won him everything at Dortmund everything at Liverpool, why we wanted him in the first place, and turned to a turgid possession based nonsense approach that is reminiscent of Brendan Rodgers tenure and quite frankly horrible to watch. This isn't new because of the last few weeks either, we have been playing bad football for a couple of seasons now and it is no suprise that the two teams above us are Arsenal and City, with superior coaches to Pep Linders adopting the same style who have invested in players that suit that style. It is also no surprise that we have come from behind so often when reverting back to a more aggressive style after going a goal down. Everyone can see it but Klopp has done nothing. That is why is gets sniped at and it is quite deserved. It doesn't mean people hate him or anything, but he is responsible for the teams results. Regardless of past achievements you don't blindly follow a person's making bad calls, and unfortunately that is what Klopp has been doing recently. I do genuinely believe this team should be better positioned than how we are, and the fact that we are not is down to Klopp's poor tactical approach since he changed styles.
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27 Apr 2024 00:59:11
I think some people just need to admit that they only support glory, they don’t support the club.
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27 Apr 2024 01:20:31
Get some perspective - its simply a poor end to a season. Klopp has been excellent for Liverpool and with 2 months to go we were top of the league and on for the Quad. The capitulation since then has been dramatic so fans have every right to criticise.
However, there's a huge difference between moaning about our current form and slamming the whole club. there's a huge difference between saying Klopp has got tactics wrong recently and saying he is hated.
Ultimately, something has gone wrong in the last 7 or 8 games and it is a sad ending for Klopps final season but it doesn't taint his legacy as one of the best managers we have ever had.
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27 Apr 2024 07:53:14
There will be no asterisk. He’s a legend.
He made us league champions, European champions and world club champions.
He’s the first to do that.
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27 Apr 2024 08:16:31
Nobody should ever be above criticism.
If you're saying nobody should criticise then you're not a fan you're a cult member.
It's fine to criticise. We all celebrate the things he has given us but it doesn't make him immune. One should hope that when doing something badly someone will criticise since sometimes we can be blind to our failings and having a bunch of yes men echo chambers around you doesn't help.
I don't see people hating klopp or saying unreasonable things. Cast your mind back to houlliers final season and that's what hate looks like. This is justified criticism because of how poor we have been playing for the majority of two years now.
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27 Apr 2024 08:29:04
I still think his biggest achievement is making us competitive again, year on year when previously we struggled to get top 4 . After 30 years he changed the clubs mindset. That can’t be underestimated.
It’s sad that it is ending this way, being top of the league a few games back . Let that sink in, our expectation as a fan base now. Klopp did that.
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26 Apr 2024 11:42:01
I’ve seen a lot of people blaming Trent for the second goal the other night. While I do agree he should have done better, why on earth is he left with Calvert Lewin who is going to beat him in the air every single time. This is why i despise zonal marking! Just gives the attacking team all the advantage of targeting the weaker opposition players!
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26 Apr 2024 11:55:38
Personally, Im over the game now. it's gone. On to WH and hopefully we can finish strong and win all our games. We may finish 2nd with a few point behind City, who know?
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26 Apr 2024 12:01:13
Look I would normally try to defend Trent, probably more than he can himself in fairness butI mean even if DCL steamrolls him - he should at least try and make an effort. He to all intents and purposes opened the door for him.
The footage from behind the goal is nothing other than criminal defending.
He sees the cross, sees DCL coming, moves BEHIND DCL and then barely touches him.
Sometimes you have to call a spade and spade and zonal marking be damned that was awful defending.
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26 Apr 2024 12:53:05
That's why we miss Henderson and milner sometimes. Trent cowered out of the challenge just like Curtis Jones always does. Pathetic, thought Scousers were tough? Not them pair.
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26 Apr 2024 13:57:07
The lack of effort shown by Trent at the back post the other night and In most defensive situations is an absolute disgrace. Shirking out of a challenge in the derby when you’re going for the league, criminal! Your captain and vice captain are meant to lead by example on and off the ball. I’ve said it countless times, Trent is a fantastic footballer, oozes ability on the ball that most pros can only dream of but defensively I can’t remember a weaker right back in red.
If he wasn’t a scouser and hadn’t come through the academy I’d sell him to the highest bidder. The main reason being what I’ve said above, defensively he’s absolutely awful. More over the argument to have him play in midfield only works if you give him a free role and that doesn’t exist in modern day football. He doesn’t have the engine, bite, press, physicality or hunger to defend in midfield.
I’m typing this after having the time to reflect. The loss to Everton, the defensive frailty shown all season, the consistency of missed chances game after game, choosing players out of form and lastly the having no plan b from Klopp and the coaching staff is the reason I’m looking forward to a change. Klopp is a legend and I’ll be eternally grateful for the memories but fresh eyes are needed.
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26 Apr 2024 13:58:09
This post isn’t me defending Trent either, he should do a lot better and put up more of a challenge. I was highlighting how ridiculous zonal marking is! If we man-marked at corners instead, Van Dijk or Konate are picking up Calvert Lewin and that goal doesn’t happen. Can anyone tell me the benefits of zonal marking? The cons definitely outweigh the pros for me!
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26 Apr 2024 14:15:17
VVD and Konate both got bullied as well. Then it really highlighted the massive deficiencies of some other players when it comes to defending.
I hope Klopp changes at least half the team for tomorrow’s game. I wouldn’t give Jones or Sob a seat on the plane never mind the bench.
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26 Apr 2024 15:33:16
Problem with trent is he's truly woeful defensively but a brilliant passer. He's positive with the ball, he'll play the ball fans want played. That's a great asset but he's not imo ever going to succeed as a defensive midfielder. Trent has a lot of flaws as an overall player. He's not athletic like a Bellingham or past Gerrard. He's weak physically in the air, in challenges and doesn't have the legs to be a box to box midfielder.
Trent has to continue being an attacking full back and work qnd work on his defensive side. It's as simple as that.
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26 Apr 2024 16:01:36
Ecogsi
I posted similar earlier in the season and got prayers
“He’s world class” - “perfect for midfield”
Fact is he doesn’t tackle, doesn’t provide the energy that he used to, and switches off defensively
None of those can happen with a midfield player or we would get rinsed through the middle
We could get a very good fee, play Bradley, and strengthen other areas.
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26 Apr 2024 16:39:39
There will be a system to get the best out of Trent. I wouldn’t mind seeing Bradly and Trent playing together down the right. Trent doesn’t have to charge around his delivery is world class from anywhere.
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26 Apr 2024 19:22:43
I don't think people realise the modern game isn't all sliding tackles in one on ones.
Defending in midfield is done via interceptions and blocking passing lanes - both metrics which trent scores high every season. It's aerial duels and tackles. Despite everyone thinking mac was no good at DM he was actually far more effective than endo.
Sometimes I think everyone is trapped in the past. Busquets is considered by many to be one of the best DM in modern game and he was no midfield destroyer.
The modern game uses pressing into forced errors as a defence in midfield.
Also slot doesn't use a DM he uses two pivots whose sole job is to recycle the ball and keep possession. He inverts the fullbacks for defensive duties in mid.
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26 Apr 2024 20:50:49
Bored of saying the same thing. When I say Trent is a liability at RB it is not because of his positioning, his tracking, his tackling or pave or effort. It's because he cannot defend the back post at set pieces or when crosses come in. Time and time again it happens. It's at the point where I am not blaming him because a blind man could see he shouldn't be there.
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26 Apr 2024 21:00:31
That's a good point about interceptions, Nevada. I remember Sammy Lee saying his better performances were when he never had to make a tackle.
That said, all midfielders should be willing to tackle if they have to. They should all be able to pass the ball forwards. It annoys me to see the number of times I see midfielders not taking the ball on the half turn. And they should all be able to score a few goals.
I suppose I am old fashioned though.
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26 Apr 2024 23:02:24
Back in July Klopp stated that Trent could play effectively as a 6 but chose to play him in this 3-2-2-3 formation instead as this "hybrid" role? What would be so wrong next season to have him move permanently to that specific 6 role instead of Endo with Bradley who is a much better technically defensive RB? Get Quansah hitting the weights in the summer to add some strength and speed and play him alongside VVD; Bradley RB and source a new LB to compete with an ageing Robbo and there's a more solid back 4 imo .
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