12 Oct 2026 21:12:15
Adam Cleary has a good video on Wirtz out on his channel. Its not just us Liverpool fans, the whole world is surprised how poor he has been. More importantly he seems to have been getting worse. His best spell came from Oct-Dec last year, and since then he has just struggled in every game.
I wish something would suddenly click for him, but he needs to be taken out of the firing line at this moment. He looks mentally lost.
12 Oct 2026 22:28:02
Oct-Nov he was brutal, the whole team was. We lost 6 of 8 in the league alone. His best period was January, maybe the last week or so of December too. 6 g/a from late Dec through Jan.
I agree; mentally he looks weak to me, and always has. At no point in the last 14 months did I think he looked like the kind of player who could (mentally) turn things around. And I absolutely hate saying that. I still think he deserves the season to prove himself, its been a difficult transition period for everyone but we have players with far worse situations playing much better than him, Jaquet missed 5 months of football, had no pre-season and has been excellent. Isaks not long back from a broken leg and scored 4 in 5. Gakpo had that tragic loss of his unborn son during the summer and has been our best player despite the club nearly selling him.
12 Oct 2026 22:47:40
That's two full seasons Chew. And what if he plays as he has till April then has a few slightly better games to see out the season, do we say"he deserves another season? .Massive improvement is needed but I've said it from the start I just don't think he'll make it here.
Was a ridiculous purchase for that money when we had Szobozlai. The only way he stays is if the club aren't offered enough to avoid looking like total fools off the likes of Bayern or Chelsea.
12 Oct 2026 23:35:33
personally - Rekon he'll need this full season plus this upcoming 2027 off-season with no major tournament to be at his best for the 27/28 season.
12 Oct 2026 23:59:10
As I said, give him the season to see if he improves, he had to deal with being played out of position in a disastrous system last year, move him on in the summer if he doesn't pull his socks up. I don't see any other options, Florian. Transfer windows closed and we'll lose money trying to ship him in January, not to mention struggle to replace him, so unless you've got a time machine, I can't imagine you've any better suggestions.
If the rumours of Olise wanting a move are true, and Bayern still keen on Wirtz, then obviously the best option is to try get a swap deal done. Typically they're more difficult to do but given the situation, they may very well value such a proposal.
13 Oct 2026 00:00:13
My bad @Chewy, I meant the run where he got like 5 goals and a few assists in that 8 game stretch. At that time, it genuinely looked he had gotten to grips with the physicality and will only get better. But then he had a small niggle, and it has never clicked for him since.
I really, really want him to succeed, just because how badly he has been criticised by everyone. But at this point, even my belief is wavering a bit. But I had already decided to not judge the team (players and manager) before December, so I am going to still stick by it.
13 Oct 2026 06:32:04
He needs to be moved on in January and we need to play 4-3-3 by adding a DM and a RB.
13 Oct 2026 07:49:43
I think Adam is exactly right, Wirtz is playing scared. How we can get him right mentally and have him playing with swagger again, Iraola really needs to figure out. He's not had a setback quite like this, he had a big injury at Leverkusen when he was starting to take flight but he didn't have the weight of expectation and scrutiny in the biggest league in the world. We know there is a brilliant player in there, and I also disagree strongly with people saying that he can't handle the physicality, he is just petrified of making the wrong decision on the ball so he hesitates, choose the safer option or just blanks out and makes the wrong choice.
I think we have to support him through this, but maybe Iraola needs to take him out the firing line for one or two games, or play him in Europe and the cup games to get his confidence back up. If he can get back to the level we know he is capable of, he will be a very valuable player for us still.
13 Oct 2026 08:01:45
I'd be up for giving him another season if I'd seen flashes but unfortunately I haven't. I've not seen him do anything that Harvey Elliott or Benayoun couldn't do. I would still give him plenty of game time, to protect his value if nothing else.
If there is any way Bayern still want him and we could use him as a makeweight for Olise that would be nice.
13 Oct 2026 05:22:47
Since we are recommending youtube videos, James Lawrence Allcott also has a video on Wirtz which explains something different.
I for once understand the frustration with Wirtz but I have a bigger issue with Liverpool as a whole and is the lack of movements of the forwards. Ed001 has said it, the video i jjst reference said it, even my untrained eye has seen how Liverpool forwards just doesn't move at all or just run the wrong way.
And the issue is, you can sell Wirtz, which I think we should because his confidence is low and I don't think is going to regain it here, but no one other player is going to fix Liverpool issues unless the forwards work differently.
13 Oct 2026 09:19:30
I'm his biggest fan but if he's out of form he should be dropped. The team should be picked on merit and not just because of the player's cost or his potential transfer value.
It's 'interesting' that AI keeps picking him.
13 Oct 2026 09:45:48
Found the James Lawrence Allcott youtube video
"I Watched EVERY Minute of Wirtz, Here's The Problem" much more informative than the Adam Clearly video. This also compared Wirtz with Cherki. It goes to show that you can use stats as you see fit. Also shows the difference in play between Citeh, Liverpool and Leverkusen.
13 Oct 2026 11:45:01
Ironically @Dominican and thekoparmy, I saw both videos you both mentioned and there were some good arguments made by both content creators and imo, it is a huge mix which makes Wirtz's task even bigger as some things he can't control. And the things he can't control, he is failing at due to no self belief at all.
In addition, Wirtz is playing scared as Patrik said and that was clear in the City game. He seemed to have lost his head even before the game started. He we struggling a couple of times to control a pass fizzed into him that went of his shins/ankles and popped up in the air. That's a guy who is drowning due to inexistent self confidence and fast.
The solutions are there but the pressure is ramping up and time is of the essence in terms of turning things around. Drop him? Fine. Maybe he needs to just sit and watch and then come on to get some good/key passes in to help his confidence. The kid is way too talented to fail but he has to want it for himself. We cannot want it for him.