14 Oct 2026 12:04:41
On the Wirtz topic my concern is we repeat the mistake Chelsea made with Salah and De Bruyne. Players that didn't settle in a new Country with the big club when they were 21-23 and had to leave. Only to return a couple of years later for another club and become legends.
Wirtz is in that age bracket now and his confidence is shot. For him the best thing may well be to leave but I'd hate to see another club flourish with him down the road.
14 Oct 2026 12:18:35
Salah and De Bruyne were not starters for Chelsea, and were never given a chance due to Mourinho's preference for ready made stars, rather than developing a project. Wirtz has been a starter from the get go and underdelivered for over a year now. There is a stark difference.
I swear I have never known a player to require so much for him to operate. Wirtz needs fast wingers to operate, we got it. Wirtz needs a striker with fast movement, we got that with Isak. Wirtz needs Ekitike to operate due to their quick exchanges, we have that. Wirtz needs to be rid of Slot and he will flourish, we got that. Wirtz needs to be given the freedom of the CAM role to operate, not be used at LW, we got that now with how Iraola utilises him. Wirtz needs someone like Klopp to put his arm around him and guide him, we have that. Wirtz needs to receive the ball more, we do that and he missplaces the most simplest of passes.
How much more does this man need!? Like, seriously. Never in all my years have I heard so many excuses for a player, regardless of his price. A 100 million plus should be able to elevate all those around him, not require additional 100 plus million players to operate at a high level. It is utterly ridiculous.
14 Oct 2026 12:22:45
Jon, that's the risk you take in giving up on players way too early out of impatience because they are not panning out quick enuff for you, regardless of how much you pay for them.
Esp. if after they are gone, the players start to to flourish elsewhere and the selling club starts to struggle. Chelsea suffered, as well.
Remember had we gotten rid of Hendo after one season, we wouldn't have had him leading us to glory for years under Klopp.
Essentially, be careful of what you wish for.
14 Oct 2026 12:45:43
Wirtz must go. he can't tackle.
14 Oct 2026 12:56:40
Henderson didn't join us with the expectation of Wirtz. Wirtz joined us as "the next generational talent". Up till now he's come nowhere near to living up to that. He has the remainder of this season to prove his worth.
14 Oct 2026 13:04:48
I think the reason there is a lot of support for Wirtz is partly because he works hard despite his obvious lack of confidence/quality atm. And because people know there is a world class player in there. He was the main man at Leverkusen and beautiful to watch. People want to see that and some still have hope that it can happen. He has been massively disappointing so far. Though I don't agree with people who say he's been crap since he came.
He has had moments namely last season before his injury and many moments in games where he has shown flashes of brilliance. i'm not ready to give up on him coming good yet because if he does and it looks like a big if as we stand he will absolutely light the Premier League up. At his best he is the type of footballer that makes his teammates better and makes football a more beautiful thing to watch.
14 Oct 2026 13:51:53
Truly @MANGO. I think we all want him to succeed and can't accept he just might not that's the reason for the many excuses.
If there's no major improvement by the end of the season, then we should be looking to sell in my opinion.
@OliRed, maybe we would have had someone else. Who knows? Besides Hendo didn't come with a lofty price tag so the expectation was much less.
We sold Coutinho and it wasn't the end of the world. In fact, we became better as a team.
We have been worse off since Wirtz joined the team. Of cause I am not saying he is solely to blame for our decline since winning the league as there are other factors as well. However, selling him wouldn't be the end of Liverpool. We might just be better for it.
14 Oct 2026 14:59:47
De Bruyne and Salah never played. Wirtz has played 60 games for us starting nearly all of them. Has till the end of the season to turn it around I'd imagine.
14 Oct 2026 17:23:31
I'd like to know if wirtz is working on weak areas in his game, extra training ect. I know he's put on more muscle when playing under slot. Eds1 says he needs more movement ahead of him but if we haven't got the players ahead to do that then adapt his game and try and make it work before it's too late and sold.