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30 Jun 2023 18:39:28
Evening Eds2
I was wondering if you knew the player who cost the most ever in add on’s?
Thanks in advance.

Longthing76

{Ed002's Note - I can’t say but it could be Pipco.}


1.) 30 Jun 2023 21:13:18
Was it true that Barcelona had to pay us because he won the Champions league at Bayern. I remember seeing a rumour saying there was a clause that theyd owe us whatever amount if he won the CL but it never said it had to be won at Barcelona.


 

 

23 Jan 2023 15:01:37
Hi eds
Is Arthur melo still at the club or has he gone back to Italy?

Longthing76

{Ed002's Note - He is still at the club who would like to cut the deal short with interest in taking him from elsewhere.}


1.) 23 Jan 2023 15:35:51
Would there be any financial penalty for Liverpool, if we cut his deal short?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}


2.) 23 Jan 2023 19:06:56
Evening ed002, out of interest, why does the club want to cut the deal short? He’s hardly kicked a ball, is the feeling mutual? We could do with another option in midfield

Cheers
Drogie.

{Ed002's Note - The loan has not worked out well due to injury and Liverpool will not want to continue paying his wages.}


3.) 23 Jan 2023 19:25:31
Cheers ed002.


4.) 24 Jan 2023 07:24:39
A question for you Ed002, if I may.

Does a club typically take out insurance against injuries, I. e. the insurance company pays the wages while someone is injured (Like short term disability insurance if you work in a company)? Or is the entire bill footed by the club?

I ask because an injury-ridden season like ours could be horrendously costly both in terms of paying wages for players who aren’t playing and in terms of not making it into the CL…double whammy.

Many thanks!

{Ed001's Note - I can answer that - professional clubs have to have insurance against injuries. They would not get a license to operate without insuring their players against injuries. That covers treatment as well as salaries.}


5.) 24 Jan 2023 14:15:06
beggars belief why they have kept Arthor for so long and now decided they want to send him back.


 

 

31 Jan 2022 23:15:59
BBC saying the deal has fallen though. No time to finalise it!

Longthing76

{Ed0666's Note - what a shame


 

 

04 Jan 2022 15:11:03
Just heard a rumour that the training ground is shut due to C.V. cases and all goal keepers have it so the Arsenal game is off.
No clue if it’s true!

Longthing76

1.) 04 Jan 2022 15:18:41
I've heard a similar thing, that only Karius is healthy.


2.) 04 Jan 2022 16:17:42
Fly Goaly?


3.) 04 Jan 2022 16:25:58
Only Karius being available is interesting, if true.

The general rule for the Premier League is that teams will be expected to fulfill the fixture if they 13 outfield players and 1 goalie available from the registered list of 25 senior players.

Karius was not registered as part of the 25 man squad for the Premier League so for a PL game his availability wouldn't matter.

But I'm not sure we're restricted to using just the PL list for the Carabao, which would mean he's eligible to play if I'm right. And unless we end up with less than 14 players, we could be obliged to fulfill the fixture despite all our senior keepers except Karius being unavailable. Maybe Ed002 could clarify?

{Ed002's Note - Loris Karius is registered.}


4.) 04 Jan 2022 16:40:15
It's time like these that they have to adopt "last man back"

The hairline var decisions at corners as to who was indeed the last man back. The drama.


5.) 04 Jan 2022 16:45:42
So he is, I just assumed there wasn't room and that's why Pitaluga was on the bench at the weekend. Guess JK wants to really underline Karius' lack of a future here.

Thanks Ed.


6.) 04 Jan 2022 18:25:03
Haha Davey 'last man back' is a great shout!

Imagine how much more interesting football would be if that was a rule by the way!


7.) 04 Jan 2022 18:33:34
Phil Jones played his first game for 2 years last night. Karius could play and have a blinder, stick a few quid onto his transfer fee 😜😜.

{Ed025's Note - yeah IR, you might get the full 50p if he does well mate.. :)


8.) 04 Jan 2022 19:31:23
Jesus…… your sources are top notch fellas, many thanks for sharing. A bit gutted the game may be called off but thanks for the quality posts 👍.


9.) 04 Jan 2022 20:13:15
It’s somewhat ironic that Karius didn’t catch it.


10.) 04 Jan 2022 20:51:18
I'd take 50p ed25 🤣.

{Ed025's Note - i bet you would mate.. :)


11.) 05 Jan 2022 12:16:45
To be fair ED025, he's still better than Lil short arms across the park, never seen so many, central/ not near the top corner goals go in against an "international" keeper.

{Ed025's Note - i was never his biggest fan lancaster but i have to say hes grown on me a bit, hes certainly not the worst in the world mate....that accolade without a doubt goes to karius by a country mile..


12.) 05 Jan 2022 16:58:22
Think the kid at Arsenal looks a top class keeper for the future.

{Ed077's Note - Ramsdale you mean? I am still not fully convinced by him myself. Joe Hart 2.0 for me. Good but not great and overhyped by the media.

But he is still very young and has time to develop.


13.) 06 Jan 2022 12:54:04
Would help ED025 if he stopped eating them blue smarties before games.

{Ed025's Note - he can be a bit rash at times lancaster, but thats because hin previous job was as a small arms dealer mate.. :)


14.) 06 Jan 2022 15:46:22
Quality Ed.


 

 

06 Jun 2021 12:36:58
Hi eds2
Any idea how Marko Grujic has got on this season with Porto. I guess at the age of 25 he’s now looking to sign for a team instead of yet another loan. Also how much is he worth if we were to sell.
Thanks eds.

Longthing76

{Ed002's Note - Marco Grujic (DM/CM) will be available but at €20M priced out of a move to Porto who will now ask for another year on loan and an obligation to buy. Hertha Berlin may offer an option. If the price is reduced to about €12M-€15M then a sale will happen. Porto were very happy with him.}


1.) 06 Jun 2021 13:53:40
12-15m seems sensible. Better to get the sale done as it works better for both parties.


2.) 06 Jun 2021 14:07:22
He only started 9 games in the league this season in Portugal and has reached the age of 25. I'm not sure how LFC can continue along with this price tag if they truly want to sell him. Teams are looking at him and seeing a guy who's talent has most likely matured.


3.) 06 Jun 2021 13:49:24
Thanks for the info eds2 👍🏻.


4.) 06 Jun 2021 15:29:13
Seems like he definitely off then. I did wonder if there was a chance the club would keep him if money is tight for a cm to replace Wij.

{Ed002's Note - The club have had plenty of opportunities to use him but have shown no interest in doing so.}


5.) 06 Jun 2021 20:08:20
Started 4 of Porto's last 5 league games and both of the champions league matches v Chelsea. So at least Grujic had gotten in to the Porto team by the end of the season. Hopefully something suitable will work out this summer for him.


6.) 06 Jun 2021 23:29:08
Grujic is a decent player. Easily worth £20mil and in the right team will be a great signing. I really don’t see why people expect us to drop our valuations to suit other teams.
If they want him, pay up like we have to if we want a player. If not then he’ll remain a Liverpool player.
We live in a world where Richarlison is £50mil and Sigurdsson is £40mil. With the talent Grujic has I think £20mil is a fair asking price.

{Ed0666's Note - yes but valuations fluctuate due to economic markets. You wouldn’t get 40 mill for sigurdson now. I agree with you to an extent tho it’s up to the club what valuation they put on a player if they want 20 mill for Grujic than that’s their perogitive.


7.) 07 Jun 2021 06:42:59
Becker’s Pecker, Grujic is probably worth £20m but the fact is that the majority of European clubs are pretty broke due to C.V.. French clubs are in dire straits due to the collapse of their broadcasting deal. Inter Milan just won the title but Conte left due to being asked to reduce their wage bill by 15-20% and raise £70m from player sales. Dortmund need to sell one of Sancho or Haaland to raise money. Even Barcelona are bringing in out of contract players.
All’s well and good to say £20m or he goes nowhere. But in the end Liverpool are stuck with a player without a work permit and come next summer has one year less on his contract so his value has dropped (barring an exceptional season) £14m in bank could allow for greater movement in recruiting a CM/ AM.


8.) 07 Jun 2021 07:40:39
Beckers Pecker, Grujic’s contract only runs until 2023 and every year that gets close to the end of that contract his potential value diminishes, that’s not accounting for the market we’re in. Bar a few teams, there is very little money about. And that’s not accounting for the fact that it’s not entirely fair on the player to mess him about like that by sending him on loans all the time. Holding out for £20m in the hope that someone pays it means that we’ll be in the same position we were in last time. Lowering the price allows interested parties a chance to make an offer if there’s more than one party.


9.) 07 Jun 2021 12:52:23
We need to put in a sell on clause, sell him for 12m and a 25% sell on, if the kid comes good the sell on clause kicks in.


10.) 07 Jun 2021 12:59:11
Vic and Fuser I get what you’re saying but I’m constantly being told that we are messing teams around by not offering the asking price for a player yet we are supposed to pull our pants down if someone is interested in our players.
He’s a good player who could possibly be very good so why should we budge on our valuation? I’m sure if someone wants to negotiate and come up with an offer that suits us then we’d consider it but nearly halving our initial valuation is just not good business.
We need the money just as much as some other teams so we need to stand strong and get the money we want for any players that are leaving. That then enables us to dip into the market ourselves.
We have to be ruthless in any transfer dealings now more than ever.

{Ed002's Note - I don't think you understand the finances. Liverpool are paying over the odds for players because they don't have the money to buy them outright - like Jota and Thiago who have not been paid for yet. They factored the Coutinho money to get it in advance and that cost them a considerable amount. Players like Grujic need to be sold to bring money in.}


11.) 07 Jun 2021 14:34:52
So the club are going to have to take a hit on some players just to get the money in.

{Ed0666's Note - in hoping we can sell enough of the fringe players albeit at a loss and sell mane to be able to afford a swashbuckling forward/wide player and an all action midfielder.


12.) 07 Jun 2021 14:57:14
Beckers Pecker we genuinely run the risk of him leaving on a free transfer, then we’d get nothing. It’s not even like the bloke is going to get a game as Klopp clearly doesn’t rate him. I’d take £12-15 and move on. We need the money to improve the playing squad and starting options. No point playing hardball over a player who is never going to play for us. The same goes for Wilson, Ojo, Karius, Awoniyi. We also need to move others on too, and the same principle applies to those who don’t really perform and those not fit enough.


13.) 07 Jun 2021 16:21:12
Where do you think Mane will end up Ed? And which swashbuckling forward do u have in mind?

{Ed002's Note - I have not said anything about Mane going.}


14.) 07 Jun 2021 16:28:43
Could we use Grujic as a makeweight to bring in Romario Baro?


15.) 07 Jun 2021 18:24:00
Liverpool lost in the order of £50 - 70 million during the initial lock down and around another £100m minimum last season from missing match day revenue etc.
These are serious shortfalls that probably mean perhaps 3 or 4 key new signings could not be added to the squad over that time?
The injury issues last season lead on from this situation; Klopp was clearly unhappy with his back-up and perhaps the signings that we missed out on would have played instead.
All told, do not underestimate the damage that CV has caused Liverpool.
It’s lost ready cash in hand and debt-serving funds that has gone.


16.) 08 Jun 2021 10:22:39
I think people are missing an obvious issue when valuing transfers. The players we are after are generally among the best players at their current team, or at least regular starters. The players we are trying to sell are players with no future with us, and we're actively trying to get them off the books. We can demand top dollar for our manes and salahs because we don't want to lose them, same as Brighton don't want to lose bissouma/ rbl didn't want to lose konate. We can't do that with fringe players because, eventually, we'll either be stuck with them not playing, or running their contract down. If a player is marked for selling, we should take the best offer received and get some money in and let these boys continue their career elsewhere.


17.) 10 Jun 2021 05:18:06
I haven’t seen enough of him at Porto to be 100% sure how he’s gotten on, but stylistically I think Grujic is exactly the type of player we need to replace Gini - he is young, physical, and capable of playing in either 8 or even at 6 to backup Fabinho. He also has some height on him which can be very useful in the PL.

A starting midfield of Fabinho, Hendo and Thiago is top class, and then with backup from Milner, Ox, Keita, Jones and Grujic we have a solid bench. If we can sell Keita and get in another top player to challenge for a starting role then we’d be truly set.


18.) 10 Jun 2021 19:20:05
Don’t get why people are happy to offload Grujic when he’s never been given a chance. He’ll play at a higher level the Jones I guarantee.


 

 

 

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24 Dec 2023 11:36:35
A quick question if anyone can answer it.
When we played in the club World Cup I think am right in saying that we had to play two teams at the same time. One in the club World Cup and one in the prem. so if this is correct then why had Man City not had to do the same because there game yesterday was postponed. ?

Longthing76

{Ed001's Note - it was the Carbao Cup match that wasn't postponed and they were already out.}


1.) 24 Dec 2023 11:59:50
Ahhh right thanks eds1 ??.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome. Glad you understood what I meant despite the typo.}


 

 

12 Dec 2023 21:06:13
Hi eds1
Am not sure if you’ve been asked this in the last few days. Don’t you think we need to sign a CB in the Jan window considering Matip is unlikely to play again the season if at all. ?

Longthing76

{Ed001's Note - he is always injured and we have Quansah and Chambers in need of games. So no.}


1.) 13 Dec 2023 03:24:35
I really like Klopp's words following Matip's injury. As much as we may bemoan the loyalty to some stalwarts at the club, I do think that in a world where loyalty is secondary, anytime a club or player commit to each other beyond their peak contributions that it should be praised. I hope we extend Matip and actually think it would make good business sense too. It's not like we're going to sign a first choice starter to replace him. and we have young studs coming through. So I rekon we have the ability to cover him from within.


2.) 13 Dec 2023 08:53:02
I do think that in a world where loyalty is secondary, anytime a club or player commit to each other beyond their peak contributions that it should be praised.

Does this logic applies to all those we let leave in the past for the same reason? (Lovren, Agger)

What is the business sense in extending someone whose 31, Misses 15 games a season (bare minimum), Shall command even a bigger wage than what he is today. doesn't really fit in with the system we intend to play?

Yes we need to sign a starter. This clubs needs 3 world class Center backs at bare minimum. we have one whose 31 and then three thereabouts all consistently injured throught an year.

You really are kidding yoursels mate.


3.) 13 Dec 2023 09:13:45
Harry I would think any extension would be on the same or lower wages.

The thing is we know Matip can still do the job when fit so why not keep him? There was a clamour for Gvardiol but he doesn’t look the answer to me and could’ve been an expensive mistake.

Sometimes fans just want a shiny new player to boast about rather than looking at the bigger picture. Is a new CB coming in January really going to be better prepared than Quansah who’s been at the club since he was 5?

I’m sure the position will be looked at in the near future and is currently being looked at due to the age of our CBs but we can afford to be patient as the players we have are still doing a good job.


4.) 13 Dec 2023 09:21:59
Im not sure what your relative point about Lovrrn and Agger is?

We can extend Matip and keep a 4th choice senior CB who is embedded in our club culture and identity. Or we can go and spend millions more on signing a new player. Or maybe we get a new player for free and he walks in and contributes straight away? I dunno, all it’s and buts.

But, I can see the value in keeping Matip for another season knowing that we also have Konate, Gomez, VVD and Quansah coming through. I’d much rather spend on that than spend on a completely new player. So there is where I see the business sense.


5.) 13 Dec 2023 10:01:27
Sometimes fans just want a shiny new player to boast about rather than looking at the bigger picture.

Absolutely wrong, There is a need of a defernder and good one. Why exactly did we sign 4 Center mids if we could have only looked into the academy?

Matip is 32 and there is absolutely zero advantage in extending his contract unless he some sort of maradona of the cernter halves which he is not. Matip is already out for 6 months plus and and there is no guarantee he would even play when he returns back.

I strongly disagree with both of you on Matip.


6.) 13 Dec 2023 10:10:28
We signed 4 midfielders after letting go of 6 midfielders. You're comparing apples with oranges.

We could go and sign another CB for sure. and that wouldn't be wrong, I'm just not sure who exactly are we meant to target to replace Matip when we already have Konate, Gomez and VVD plus the academy players. we don't need to carry 5 senior CBs, so that 4th player either has to be a VVD-level starter or is a squad player.

imo we're not going to break the bank to bring in a starting calibre to replace Matip as we have Konate. so then the next bet is to bring in experience and a reliable squad player. well, we have that already in Matip and I think it would be worth the extension to keep him at the club.


7.) 13 Dec 2023 10:25:18
Yeah, poor Matip. He’s probably only made £20m from his time at Liverpool playing 120 football games most of them poorly over 7 seasons and will now spend most of this season sat in his house raking in another couple of million. Good old Klopp, def should give him another couple of million from the club as a loyalty reward. We can all pay more for already ridiculously priced merchandise and tickets to make sure the club ‘does things properly. ’.


 

 

10 Dec 2023 10:34:08
Eds1 who do you think is Liverpool’s most important player. I’ve got to go with Allison! I mean the bloke is just incredible. He comes back from an injury and still makes unbelievable game winning saves. I hate to think what we will do when he retires.

Longthing76

{Ed001's Note - I am with you on that. Alisson is the key player of all of them.}


1.) 10 Dec 2023 10:52:52
Allison is world class and easily the best keeper I’ve seen play for us or any other team in the flesh

I think it’s between him and Vvd for most important player.

I think we could still win majority of games without Alison but we’d be like a revolving door without Virg.


2.) 10 Dec 2023 11:09:50
As good as clemo on his prime. Easily the best gk in the world.


3.) 10 Dec 2023 11:12:10
Disagree on that JK.

Much of what Allison does goes unnoticed most weeks.

He has also carried that defence whilst VVD has found form again.


4.) 10 Dec 2023 11:37:55
Wassa that’s very true mate.

Like I said i think it’s between the two.

I’m sure lots of posters will agree or disagree with the two and have suggestions of their own.


5.) 10 Dec 2023 11:40:49
Allison or Salah for me. It’s really easy to see how often Allison saves us, but because Salah plays every week, almost without fail, it’s difficult to know how we’d do without him. He’s so consistent with his goal inputs that as simple as they often seem, you can’t take for granted that we would get them elsewhere.

{Ed025's Note - it has to Alisson for me QV, Salah has been a bit underwhelming to be honest...by his own standards of course mate..


6.) 10 Dec 2023 11:41:04
Funny thing is, VVD and Alisson were the two players that turned us from pretenders to winners and all these years later they are still the 2 players that we need the most!


7.) 10 Dec 2023 11:52:01
Who do u reckon the best ed1, clemence r ali? Clemence before time, Ali easily the hest lfc goalie I've seen.

{Ed001's Note - Clem was before my time but I am sure he couldn't pass the ball like Alisson does, so that puts Ali ahead for me. The goalkeeper position has changed, Alisson is the best of the modern breed, it is a bit unfair to compare the old style keepers with him. They have not had the benefit of all the enhanced training and diet etc. The modern keeper is bigger, stronger and quicker, plus better on the ball. It is the one position that old style players would struggle in the modern era, simply because most of them could barely kick a ball.}


8.) 10 Dec 2023 12:36:39
Ali, hands down the most important player right now. VVD is the close second. He is single handedly marshaling that defense.
We miss a prime Fabinho though. Peak Fabinho was the best holding mid in the world.


9.) 10 Dec 2023 12:37:39
I'm amazed by Alisson. He is the key player for me. Best goalkeeper I ve ever seen. He has no weaknesses.

When Van Dijk is on form, the whole team plays well. He is vital. When he is playing like this he gets a avoided. He makes a gigantic difference to defence.

We would not have won all those trophies without Salah's goals. And having played with a goal scorer and a team without, I tell you the difference is everything. Gives the whole team direction and belief.

Those three and Klopp are the heart of this Liverpool era. Every one plays a huge part but those 4 gentlemen are the heart.

I edge the key player to Alisson.

Honourable mention to Alexander Arnold. I was close to putting him in the group but I think he is just out. He will probably get there in time.


10.) 10 Dec 2023 12:44:17
Ed01, Clemence was before my time as well but I have always had this belief that AB1 is the best GK to ever grace the PL in terms of raw, natural ability to play the position completely and he keeps confirming that with his exploits which are normally seen as routine or just as "Alisson doing and Alisson" which shows have great he is above all the great GK's this PL has ever seen.

IMO, There is nothing the likes of Schmeichel, Cech, Grobs or whoever wrer good at that Alisson can't do. While there are things Alisson can do that they simply couldn't. Also, Those GK's could never play in this era. Alisson could play in ANY era, IMO.

{Ed001's Note - agreed.}


11.) 10 Dec 2023 12:56:50
Old enough to have watched Clemence, who was a brilliant keeper and sweeper, but Alisson's the best we've ever had, in my opinion.


12.) 10 Dec 2023 13:02:43
Ed1, as of right now, no GK is even close to him I would think. He is the best GK in the world. Make me wonder what would happen when he leaves us. Any young GK that caught your eyes these days? GK is kind of a hard position I would think, because there is not many players compared to others positions. The players pools is small compared to other positions.

{Ed001's Note - no need to look yet, he has a fair few years left mate.}


13.) 10 Dec 2023 13:10:24
High praise there ed001.
And I agree the modern keeper is indeed better than keepers previously for the same reasons.
So if Ali is the best keeper in the modern era, does that mean he’s the best keeper in the entire history of the game? Would you swap him for anyone else in history? I’m not sure many or any could come in and do what Ali does for us.
I think a similar argument could be had for outfield positions though, todays players are highly tuned athletes who could out compete pretty much any players pre premier league era for fitness. There have obviously been some unbelievable teams in the past and people are always comparing them to todays teams and saying they would wipe the floor with todays lot, I’m not so sure, fitness and stamina are really important in football and todays lot would run circles round the players of yesteryear who smoked a pack a day and sank 3 pints at half time. I’m sure if you got some of the great Liverpool sides of the 70s and 80s in a Time Machine and played them against us now they would be all on the oxygen by the 70th minute.

{Ed001's Note - Ali is the GOAT yes. As for the outfield, the older time players were slower but they had more stamina and could run the modern day player into the ground. They also had better technique, it was needed due to the terrible pitches. Plus they understood the game better as they had to develop their own understanding. They may have drunk and smoked, but that only really shortened their career. They had to do more stamina and endurance work than modern players, so they would surprise you in terms of their ability to keep going.}


14.) 10 Dec 2023 14:15:08
Always thought Grobs was ahead of his time sweeping up at the back unlike any keeper of that era he would be the only keeper that could play in todays game
Up the pool.


15.) 10 Dec 2023 14:27:37
Thanks Ed for that insight. The terrible pitches didn’t come into my thinking, imagine todays players getting in the same Time Machine and going back to the 70s, they would struggle with the pitches and the good old fashioned real tackling lol.

{Ed001's Note - exactly. They wouldn't last five seconds. I have seen them when they try and play on crap pitches and they simply can't cope. I watched Barcelona with peak Messi being absolutely shambolic because the so-called goat couldn't control a ball on a bobbly pitch. And it was nothing like as bad as the old potato fields that players used to have to cope with.}


16.) 10 Dec 2023 16:04:04
salah gets us the goals, alisson gets us the three points.

its insane how good he is, wild.

while some other players have on and off forms, ali has always been consistent with very few off games a season. also, nice beard.


17.) 10 Dec 2023 16:34:31
I have to laugh on Twatter when I see people compare Alisson to the likes of Cech, De Gea or even more laughably, weak-wrists Ederson.

I think you can compare him to Lev Yashin. And maybe Peter Schmeichel. Other than that, no.


18.) 10 Dec 2023 16:52:10
Alisson by a country mile. He was our best player last season and has been again this season. I have never seen a better keeper.


19.) 10 Dec 2023 19:15:24
Probably the only keeper that had the advantage is a 1 v 1 situation
I’m sure he has come out tops significantly more than conceded that at times when he has let it one, I find myself being surprised - that’s the bar he has set that a typical situation whereby we expect the goal to be conceded, I’ve come to expect that he saves it and wonder how come he didn’t in the odd occasion.


20.) 10 Dec 2023 21:08:01
Hey, Kaizer. Can I keep that quote of yours? I think it explains the situation perfectly.


21.) 10 Dec 2023 21:12:17
All this talk of the old school players can you imagine this lot getting asked to play in the thick snowfall with a orange ball.

{Ed025's Note - i remember that well John, i can also remember when balls had laces in them mate and it didn,t half hurt when you headed one, when it was wet it was like a medicine ball..


22.) 10 Dec 2023 21:54:41
Some things about the good old days wasn’t actually that good ed25 .

{Ed025's Note - absolutely John, like me going to school in my sisters shoes because mine had no soles,and trying to convince my peers that they were the latest fashion mate.. :)


23.) 10 Dec 2023 23:24:35
I have watched liverpool for over 60 years and for me Ray Clemence was the best in that era just like Allison is the best right now . how llu. cky we are.


24.) 10 Dec 2023 23:32:55
Best 2 goalkeepers I’ve ever seen are Alisson and Neville Southall. Southall was an immense goalkeeper he’d make so many saves he had absolutely no right to.


25.) 11 Dec 2023 00:04:26
This was refreshing to read.
We are very lucky to have him because he could walk into any team. Definitely the best I've seen, he can't be compared to anybody currently still playing, he's on a different level.


26.) 10 Dec 2023 23:09:26
Trend setter ed apparently that is the fashion nowadays.

{Ed025's Note - that DCL is such a copycat mate.. :)


27.) 11 Dec 2023 00:08:28
Wearing girls shoes Ed25 nothing to be ashamed about, being a evertonian on the other hand .

{Ed025's Note - well they were red high heels John.. :)


28.) 11 Dec 2023 06:53:46
For me, it's Alison, then Salah then VVD. The man has saved our behinds inumebrable times.

I saw Ray Clémence play. He was world class without any doubts. Without getting into the d times modern times debate, I feel that Alison is better. But just slightly, and over time, the gulf between the two will become bigger. Alison is getting better and better every year still.

After his admitting that he accepted bribes to throw games, I don't see how you can even mention Grobellaar in this debate, less even how you can mention his name on this site. Mercenary weasel.

{Ed025's Note - it is hard to compare ArAy, but at the moment its still Clemence for me, mainly because of his longevity and command of the area, that could change though if he stays around for a few more years mate..


29.) 11 Dec 2023 09:56:59
Hello Ed025, I'll agree that Clemence is ahead in terms of longevity, but I think both have equal command of their area. When you're running at goal with ball at feet you always see Alisson facing the threat with arms and legs outstretched and almost always negating the goal scoring opportunity. In one vs. one situations the odds always seem to favour Alisson, which is not at all the norm in football. He's not bad on corners with his punching and his distrubition has nothing wrong with it either. You could argue that Ederson is better with ball at feet, but then that's not the main priority in a GK.

If Alisson is able to stay at this level, and with us, for another 5 years, then there could be a serious debate about the longevity aspect of it. But wouldn't you agree that he is the best in the World, right now?

{Ed025's Note - absolutely ArAy, i think hes exceptional mate and one of the main reasons you are top, when i mentioned command of his area Clemence was so good at coming out and catching the ball even in crowded boxes, and thats when the game was more physical and they never got the protection from the officials like they do today mate, he had great hands as well and keepers used to clutch the ball a lot more rather than this new fangled punching everything lark, but i do agree that if Alisson can stay for a good length of time he could very well surpass him..


30.) 11 Dec 2023 10:38:39
Agreed again Ed025. This new fangled tendency of punching the ball away or parrying it off to the side instead of catching it (which is the ultimate safety for a goalkeeper isn't it? ) is beyond me. GKs have loads of more protection from the refs nowadays than they did in the old days, so what's the worry? If the worry is butter fingers, spoiling the manicure or the hairdo, then shouldn't be a GK in the first place. ?.

{Ed025's Note - the prerequisite for being a keeper in the first place is that you are a scruffy barm pot ArAy, i dont get the punching everything either mate, sometimes when the ball is hit straight at them, there is nothing better in my eyes mate than seeing a keeper dive full length and the ball nestle into his hands, but maybe its just me being an old fuddy duddy..


31.) 11 Dec 2023 14:26:24
Catching makes the game boring ed025
Suddenly the attack comes to an end
There is no 2nd balls, no melee in the box, nothing for players on both sides to snatch at, for commentators to scream it, hence I believe modern GKs are asked to punch and parry than catch, to make the game exciting

And I think we missed the most important attribute of Alisson being the best. It’s not his 1 v 1s, shot stopping, commanding of area, distribution, sweeping, footwork. Any keeper can do that if they train hard enough. What makes him stand out is his ability to remember how his opposite number trolled us and doing exactly the same thing back in the 90th minute when we have closed the game out. It’s that ability to bear a grudge in a high octane PL game and dishing it out in similar fashion at the end of the match that makes him truly amazing. And the way he did it was so innocuous, no over the top drawing attention to himself, just a silent mocking as though he didn’t do it on purpose is what makes him tops in my opinion. Wahahaha.


32.) 11 Dec 2023 16:12:41
Sure Oli, go ahead mate.


33.) 11 Dec 2023 16:02:26
Ed25 you have the old style footballs with the laces, then you had the proper Mitre Mouldmaster balls for Gaelic back in the day - getting hit with one of them on the inside of the thigh on a cold winters day match was no bloody joke lol as I'm sure the other Irish reds on here will attest too ?.

{Ed025's Note - i have never played Gaelic Bill but i do like watching it, the footy balls were so heavy when they got wet that it almost knocked you out mate, i used to come like Wilf from the bash street kids with no neck.. :)


34.) 11 Dec 2023 19:08:39
You are right Ed25 on goalkeepers being barn pots but I ve played with the craziest of them all. Towards the end of my "illustrious" career so the league level was lowish. Two quick stories

1 A ball came in from a corner, flew over everybody and out wide on the other side. Our goalie came out and caught one of our defenders heads. And he went to take a quick throw out with the players head. I'm not messing. I never in my life laughed so much on a football pitch. I couldn't wait for that game to be over for the dressing room banter.

2. Same goalie was training to be a ref. Free kick outside the box in an league game that would have put us in touching distance of top spot. Playing the top team and up one nil. He is shouting at the ref that free kick is indirect. Ball is an absolute floater towards the goal. A five year old would save it. He steps out of the way to let the goal in. "Indirect ref! ". Of course goal is given. Didn't find that one as funny as the time.

What a crackpot.

{Ed025's Note - nothing surprises me about keepers Davey, i have played with too many over the years and the one constant is that they are all loonies, a couple of good stories there mate cheers..


35.) 11 Dec 2023 21:48:47
90% of Clem’s passes went to Phil Neal and 90% of his passes went to Sammy Lee, at least that’s my vivid image of watching back in the day.

As has been said there’s no real comparison though - apart from the obvious thing of trying to stop the opposition scoring there’s no real comparison with goal keepers of 30 years or more ago. Although it did make me smile imagining the ‘Flying Pig’ doing today’s training ?.


 

 

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Longthing76

1.) 01 Oct 2023 22:27:51
No conspiracy but officials were in the UAE 2 days before the spurs game.
on holiday doing some duty free shopping i suppose.


2.) 01 Oct 2023 23:31:36
Conflict of interests?
Impartiality?
Integrity?

Just fusty old words like sixpence and codpiece to these refs.


3.) 02 Oct 2023 02:01:04
Integrity. The still they chose to pause and show at the screen when the referee was walking towards the monitor tells it all.


4.) 02 Oct 2023 04:56:16
If that shot had been on screen when the ref walked over then no way would that have been a red card. Having said that, the actual outcome of the tackle was poor regardless of intent, so while I don’t agree with it, I’m not going to argue over it either…. it was a 50/ 50 call red or yellow in my view.

The problem I have is more how the VAR was implemented to overrule a 50/ 50 call the ref had already made, and also how the VAR room chose to share the info (ie. The worst possible screenshot rather than the above mitigating shot) and that needs to be addressed. There needs to be a standard protocol to avoid rather than create bias ie. Ref should be required to watch it real time from all angles first, and then they have the option to request slow-mo and stills as they need thereafter.

This also sets a precedent that more red cards should be decided based on outcomes rather than intent. Expect many more this season if they apply this standard.


5.) 02 Oct 2023 08:38:57
I've changed my mind on the Jones challenge. I now think it was a red.
I believe that where Jones's foot ends up is the vital factor. I sympathise with him because he didn't mean it and he was overstretching but ended up going over the ball. He wasn't in control and it was a very dangerous challenge.


6.) 02 Oct 2023 08:44:08
Exactly, SGRed. Gusto at Chelsea was sent off for the exact same tackle which I felt was also wrong cos it was a 50/ 50 play and both players went for the ball. So your point in your first paragraph, is the insidious part of this red card issue. The VAR deliberately shows the very end of the play where Jones actually catches Bissouma in a freeze in order to influence the ref's decision from the off.

Also notice that all those watching on TV saw the whole sequence of events from start to finish on the slow motion replay from all diff. angles BUT the VAR only shows the very end of the play, and not the whole clip like we did. This part of the controversy is what I find very suspicious. This is the VAR influencing the ref on the pitch to make a specific decision, which I find horrifying.


7.) 02 Oct 2023 09:14:59
I suspect VAR showed that freeze frame because of the psychology of those in the VaR room, not through any malice or corruption.

They know by sending the ref to the screen they are in fact overruling him due to the ‘clear and obvious error’ threshold, and so they are of course going to be trying to justify their decision by showing him the worst possible view first. But that just leads to concerns about a lack of objectivity.

It’s why I keep thinking VAR implementation is wrong and delivering inconsistent outcomes - it’s putting one ref against another most of the time (as Mike Dean pointed out too), and so of course human nature comes into it as to when and how that happens.

They need to refocus on simplifying when and how to use technology to help the onfield referee make better decisions, as it feels like a case of too many cooks at the moment.


8.) 02 Oct 2023 09:29:30
"They know by sending the ref to the screen they are in fact overruling him due to the ‘clear and obvious error’ threshold, and so they are of course going to be trying to justify their decision by showing him the worst possible view first. But that just leads to concerns about a lack of objectivity. "

SGRed, this is exactly my point. The implementation is the problem. In other leagues, the on field ref has the full authority to overrule the VAR cos the VAR is just a tool, not the be all and end all. But in England, VAR is implemented to cover the ref's arses and protect them from being challenged on their blatant incompetence and don't forget, the worse they get, the bigger protection they are provided by the PGMOL. This dumpster fire of their own making and Im happy the club is not letting this go.

{Ed025's Note - “the VAR is just a tool”. Never a truer word said oli ..?


9.) 02 Oct 2023 11:11:49
You’re mad Rigbsy, you can see a still a post or two above which has Jones/ Bissumas feet parallel with each other. Same exact height. Slipping over the top of the ball isn’t the same thing.


10.) 02 Oct 2023 10:57:42
Come on, Ed25. That is not what I meant. I meant the VAR system, as a whole. Good laugh tho, mate.

{Ed025's Note - sometimes it’s good to lighten the mood Oli..?


 

 

20 Sep 2023 22:38:33
I know this isn’t Liverpool related but I’ve just got to say what a player BM have got in Musiala. Tonight was the time I’ve watch him and he is fantastic. He’s so good to watch and very jealous.

Longthing76

1.) 21 Sep 2023 12:35:44
Let’s see him against a good team ?.


2.) 21 Sep 2023 22:50:40
Aoe, let's see him against a "proper" team, I should add.


 

 

 

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Is he worth the big money eds2?

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31 Dec 2023 11:36:38
We can alway sell Tsimikas of course and robo can’t play forever.

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17 Dec 2023 01:03:13
There is no conspiracy theory unless of course someone has paid Jimenez to jump head height and smash into the oppo player with his hip.

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12 Dec 2023 20:59:25
It looked like he was having fluid drained off his knee Mark.

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30 Sep 2023 12:10:34
Well thank you Sven Dworackek. We love szobo already!

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25 Feb 2024 19:40:11
I honestly feel like a proud dad after that game. I’ve seen a lot of finale’s over the years but I doubt I’ve been prouder! To beat a team like that with a depleted squad and bring in kids is unbelievable as well as beating Luton on Wednesday. Just soak it up lads this is so enjoyable.

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25 Feb 2024 19:33:33
Endo vs Caicedo is a no competition. I’d take Endo all day long in fact I’d take all of our signing over Chelsea’s without question.

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25 Feb 2024 19:29:21
Is it too early to ask for a statue of Klopp!

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23 Feb 2024 19:50:51
Thanks for the review Ed’s.
In the second half Ross Barkley dribbled past 3 players and then did one of the worst dives I’ve ever seen just outside the peno box instead of carrying on and shooting. His decision making is very poor.

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23 Feb 2024 07:23:05
The atmosphere was unbelievable in the second half and I’ve still got a sore throat. Everyone stays for klopp at the end as well which is brilliant.

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{Ed025's Note - its a pity that the fist half was non league standard longthing but you got the job done, mind you you do have a lot of injuries....cue editor with his fingers down his throat making baulking noises.. :)


 

 





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