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07 Jul 2017 13:03:17
Lots of people are upset about our transfer activity so far this summer and I have to extend my sympathies to the Eds for what they have to put up with. I thought I’d try and read between the lines a bit to try and understand what's happened so far this season and what's going on now. This is, of course, complete guess work but it may help some understand why we haven’t finished our transfer activity yet.

Ahead of the this summer Klopp had a couple of main priorities, a second top class wide player and fixing the left back position. We needed a wide man because of an over-reliance on Mane and at LB, despite Milner doing a decent job, Klopp wanted more pace and a left foot there. CB was a concern but not the priority (hence Lovren’s new contract and the assurances that were given to Gomez early on) . Two things have changed since the early planning, the (apparent) availability of VVD and the potential need for CM if Coutinho or Can leave.

The wide man is easiest to deal with as Salah’s already here. Klopp wanted Brandt but Brandt wasn’t sure so we moved on to another target who wanted to come to us and who’s club were content to sell to us, this was completed in fairly good order. LB has been far more problematic. Kolasinac chose Arsenal, Mendy appears to have chosen City and Tierney is content where he is so none of the players Klopp wanted were available (Sessegnon was one for the future not the first team) . Klopp will go for Robertson if he has to but the fact that he’s not a Liverpool player yet suggests we’re exploring other options. If it gets to August and no other option has become available I expect Robertson to come in then.

The VVD saga has caused problems. I expect when Lovren signed his contract he was expecting to be first choice but this that changed when VVD expressed an interest in joining us. Lovren now knows that Klopp is not satisfied with him and I expect Klopp doesn’t want to rely on an unsettled CB, therefore, by circumstance, CB has become a priority. I understand there is still a hope that a deal with Saints can be made whilst Saints will be hoping they can sell to someone else but, if there are no other takers, they may be prepared to speak to Liverpool again. Therefore Liverpool are biding their time, they are looking at other options if VVD doesn’t come but they are hoping that they get another chance and are prepared to wait.

The CM story is different again. With the danger of Can not signing a contract or Coutinho leaving for mega-bucks it was prudent to start looking at replacements and Keita was identified as an option. My suspicion is that something has happened behind the scene and it is now expected that either Can or Coutinho will be elsewhere next season and Keita went from an option to a primary target. I doubt Liverpool will let Coutinho leave without a replacement being identified so that deal will depend on RBL agreeing to sell Keita (and may also explain their high asking price) or an alternative of similar quality becoming available. This saga will likely rumble on for the rest of the summer.

Oxlade-Chamberlain is separate to all this. I expect this is another unexpected opportunity. On paper O-C seems to be a good fit for Klopp and Klopp would be happy to bring in a player who can cover any position across the midfield. Right now the ball is with O-C and his agent, they are waiting to see who offers them the best deal, Arsenal, Liverpool or maybe someone else. With the player due back in training shortly I expect he’ll want to make a decision soon.

In summary I expect O-C to make a decision on his future shortly, Liverpool will look to bring in a LB to join pre-season as soon as possible with Robertson being the player they go for if no better option presents itself. Meanwhile Klopp is prepared to wait on VVD’s availability and Leipzig will hold out for as much of the Coutinho money as they can get.

PutneyRed

1.) 07 Jul 2017 13:09:26
I don't think Robertson will wait till August 31 to move clubs. Two clubs are taking to hull and a decision has to be made soon, not haggle around!
Keita and Coutinho are completely unrelated! The club and the manager will face riot from supporters if Coutinho is sold!


2.) 07 Jul 2017 13:51:20
I agree with if you know me. Coutinho is staying, I have no doubt.

I agree with Putneyred on VVD. Liverpool will wait to see if anyone else approaches and if not, I'd expect an offer and acceptance in late August.

As for left backs, I don't know what to expect.

I hope we get Keita, VVD and a proper LB because if we do, I genuinely believe we would have the squad to challenge on all fronts.

YNWA.


3.) 07 Jul 2017 14:02:05
What if coutinho wants to leave and tries to give it through, would the riot still go ahead. It tickles me that we moan if players want to go even if we don't want to sell, but if we want a player who the other club don't want to sell we want them to force the move! We will get deals done if a player and club are happy with the move and we pay the money required, simples😉.


4.) 07 Jul 2017 14:19:17
Don't worry Putney Red, the Eds don't do this at the point of a gun.

{Ed001's Note - it is mild torture I use to force them, no guns involved.}


5.) 07 Jul 2017 14:32:00
I find it highly unlikely that coutinho will be leaving. Not only have the club shown no sign that we would be willing to sell but more importantly phil himself has given no indication that he wants to leave. In fact he has gone the opposite way and not even sounded vague about it. Also the fact that Barcelona aren't interested is even better for us. There is no way he is leaving us for PSG before playing in champions league which he continues to say how excited he is for.


6.) 08 Jul 2017 00:26:18
I doubt Coutinho would leave for any club other than Barcelona. He definitely wouldn't go to another EPL club and it makes little sense for him to go to PSG, unless they offered him a crazy amount of money and he was money-hungry, but he doesn't seem to be like that. Mu gut feeling and reson tell me Coutinho is quite happy to stay with us for another season and reassess his options later. playing for a great club, under a great coach y now with the opportunity of CL, which is what he wanted. JK needs to continue to build a strong squad with the likes of the players we're being linked with (VVD, Keita etc) and our top players will have even less of a reason to leave. Plus LFC is a family and there will always be players that appreciate that and want to stay. Coutinho looks like that type of player in my opinion.


7.) 08 Jul 2017 20:33:16
Vvd is worth pushing for. Kieta isn't worth the money and our current midfielders are just as good if not better. Keep hearing people say he helped his team qualify for champions league, well so did lallana Hendo can wijnaldum and coutinio. In a much much tougher league. Kieta is not half the player pogba is and would cost almost as much. We would be ridiculed. He is not the player everyone here thinks he is.


 

 

03 Jul 2017 12:20:52
Hi eds, if RBL do decide to sell Keita are we the only club to have shown interest or are there others who may try and swoop in?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I understand from an Arsenal scout that the club were looking to make an offer to RBL for Naby Keita in the summer but the lack of Champions League football, the reluctance of RBL to sell and an outrageous asking price if the did decide to sell would likely cause a dent in that plan. He has been looked at by Arsenal on several occasions these past two seasons with interest also being shown by PSG, Chelsea and Dortmund. The prior interest of Bayern Munich waned with the "not for sale" flag and the potential asking price - they don't see the value. There has been interest shown by Liverpool but RBL have twice made it clear that there has been no approach to the club. They are aware that the player became unsettled when Liverpool to the step of using the press to unsettle their targets and they now know that Liverpool have directly approached and spoken to the player. You can expect an offer from Liverpool. Spurs were watching him at the end of the season but no mre. RBL would like him to stay and to extend his contract.}


1.) 03 Jul 2017 12:47:56
Are Liverpool not likely to be in very big trouble if we they have spoken to the player (yet again) without RBL's consent? Surely the only way of avoiding yet another complaint is to stump up the cash to buy him and avoid annoying RBL even more.


2.) 03 Jul 2017 13:04:51
By reading the words of the eds, a transfer seems highly unlikely unless we are prepared to pay a very steep price.

Do you think Liverpool will be willing to meet the potential asking price?

Thank you.


3.) 03 Jul 2017 12:52:08
Many thanks for the detailed response.


4.) 03 Jul 2017 12:57:34
So Eds, if we have spoke directly to Keita, then if they wanted to could follow the same stance as Southampton.

Our dealings are nothing short of shambolic at the minute!

{Ed002's Note - Clubs are under no obligation to sell.}


5.) 03 Jul 2017 13:44:59
From what i saw of this guy last year he was immense and can get even better with Klopps help. He does a bit of everything and is a future world star.

The price will be what he is worth and at will be between
50-60m into todays market as they don't need the money and we have a solid starting playing who gets beyond his man and moves a team forward with quick incisive thinking and passing, also pops in with a few goals rather than two fairly good players for 40m. I know who i would rather.


6.) 03 Jul 2017 13:54:27
Sorry Ed2 I mean with complaints etc and our approach being an illegal one. Surely any more complaints against us and we are in serious hot water.

We are going to make it really difficult for ourselves in the future if we keep acting like this in the market.

I don't understand why we briefed the press on our targets, as clubs will just stop dealing with us (i. e Fulham) . So we must pay the asking price for Keita and move on, knowing us though we will bid £50m and a chocolate bar hoping they will accept!

{Ed002's Note - The briefing was done in order to deliberately unsettle the players.}


7.) 03 Jul 2017 15:19:46
I dint see this obsession with kieta, he will cost a fortune and if we buy him I see it as a replacement for Coutinho, who is better. Makes no sense to me.

Baz.


8.) 03 Jul 2017 15:32:32
Not at all a replacement for coutinho.


9.) 03 Jul 2017 15:42:33
Apperently Keita is the best at packing. The most important pass in the modern game. I hope he signs.


10.) 03 Jul 2017 16:04:16
I will be distraught if we sign Kieta and then also give him the no.8 shirt! I don't think we should be kicking out Gini, Can, or Lallana for a player who is on the same level. We are completely sorted in CM and we're as strong as anyone in the league in that department.

Only way the deal makes sense is if Can leaves, or maybe we wait till Can leaves on a free next summer and then we can sign Kieta for £48m (release clause 2018)

feels like a pointless signing to me and hope it doesn't happen.


11.) 03 Jul 2017 16:06:51
Keita is nothing like Coutinho. Completely different types of players. Keita reminds me more of a younger Yaya Toure, but with a better work rate.


12.) 03 Jul 2017 16:22:50
Keita will sign. You don't kick up this much fuss if you're happy and settled.

£130K/ pw is the rumoured wage offer.

He'll sign, so will VVD.


13.) 03 Jul 2017 16:32:22
Indian Buzzer is really Louis Walsh!


14.) 03 Jul 2017 16:37:37
Bryant he is at a higher level than gini can and lallana imo already and he's only 22. I don't understand how you think our cm is the strongest in the league? And baz he's not the same as coutinho at all. If he keeps progressing at the rate he has been he could be one of the best cms in the world and for another 10 years too. 2nd most dribbles in bundesliga 6th most tackles 6th most interceptions 8 goals 8 assists. He does everything. At 22! I'm really excited 😂 I hope we get him 🙏🏻.


15.) 03 Jul 2017 16:39:41
Who said Keita was like Coutinho?

Keita is better in midfield than Lallana from what I have seen, and Salah is definitely a better forward than Coutinho.

In an ideal world, we sign Salah and keep Coutinho to replace Lallana in midfield. But if Coutinho leaves, we still need a better player in there than Lallana who just dithers on the ball too much.

Keita is not worth £70m but he is seemingly a very quick thinker who looks to break at the opposition. Something Lallana is terrible at doing, which constantly affects us when trying to break teams down.

Coutinho leaving is the only scenario for me where Keita goes into our starting line up. Not because they are the same, but as an indirect replacement in the starting XI. I still have doubts over the price, but I could ignore that if Keita was going to be a regular.


16.) 03 Jul 2017 17:53:52
Why do people assume a team would have their strongest 11 every week? "Why are we signing him when we have X, Y and Z in midfield already? " - because it's a squad. Look at the injuries to Henderson, Coutinho, Mane, Matip, Lallana. etc. You don't buy 11 great players and then average back ups. you buy strength in depth, which means when players are fit you have options.


17.) 03 Jul 2017 17:55:01
Redwillis, I have no doubt that he's a decent player but I think spending another £70m on our strongest area is daft. He got a few goals and assits but watching highlights he did get lucky enough times (will admit he scored a couple of good ones too) .

He is just a bit of an all rounder and erratic but he's not going to be a defensive destroyer type who will dominate in the tackle, and likewise he's not a world class passer or clever dribbler. He's not going to take Gini's place and suddenly make 3 times the difference.

For £70m we could get a player who'll score another 20+ goals, or a world class LB, CB, GK.

I'm sure we're not going to spend a couple of hundred million this summer and to me, spending so much in this area and potentially scarficiing going all out strengthen other areas seems wrong.

Just expressing my opionion. think this is going to a crazy transfer window!


18.) 03 Jul 2017 18:03:19
MK, you think Salah is better than Coutinho?

He hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet and suddenly he's better than our player of the year 2 years running and someone who routinely gets good numbers for goals and assists in the premier league!


19.) 03 Jul 2017 18:47:46
Puzzled you are really good at not reading things properly. Salah is a better forward. Not a better player. Coutinho is a midfielder who has still managed to be unbelievable playing out of position.

Salah is a more natural wide forward who will keep the width when it is needed, run in behind and attack the box. Coutinho always comes too deep to get involved in the play.

Nowhere have I or anyone said Salah is better than Coutinho. Coutinho is bordering on world class right now and Salah is just a great player. But Salah is a better forward purely because he is suited to the role and isn't a player out of position.

Seriously, why do some people just go looking for conflict and make themselves look petty and ridiculous?


20.) 03 Jul 2017 19:19:19
Bryant I don't understand what you have been watching. Keita has is world class in the final third. his weight of pass is perfect and what's more he has bags of energy defensively. he is leagues above gini and the rest of our midfield. Can takes forever on the ball and refuses to pass anywhere other than sideways. When people say we don't need to strengthen our midfield it baffles me. even more so when they clearly have never watched keita who WOULD transform our midfield.


21.) 03 Jul 2017 19:26:17
Sorry MK but I diasagree! I'm not misreading.

Salah is not a better forward than Countinho.

Who, like I say in my comment, got all those accolades playing AS A FORWARD, not in midfield.

Coutinho is arguably better in midfield, fine. But he's still better than Salah as a forward too. You're judging Salah of a good year in Serie A. We're all judging Couts off years playin as a forward.

Not looking for conflict with your bud, I just disagree.


22.) 03 Jul 2017 19:21:11
also seems people are judging Keita based on highlights which is worrying. Keita, salah and a left back and i will be delighted. if we can add a CB better than lovren then bonus.


23.) 03 Jul 2017 19:22:17
Puzzled, if you read the post from MK, he actually said that Salah is a better forward than Coutinho, I believe that Courtinho is a better midfielder than Salah, but that's what he said .


24.) 03 Jul 2017 20:24:13
Now you are making stuff up Puzzled.

Coutinho since signing for LFC has 34 goals in 138 premier league games.

Salah since moving to Italy has 35 goals in 81 appearances.

So not only has Salah proven over 3 seasons he can score goals, he has also outscored Coutinho who has not got near his minutes to goal ratio.

Playing as a forward ultimately is about putting the ball into the net. Salah is better at doing that. Whether he adapts to English football is another matter entirely though. Coutinho is the better player. I am not under any illusions regarding that matter, but Salah is a better forward.


25.) 03 Jul 2017 21:58:47
Salah has scored them goals in Italy. exactly! Not quite as competitive* as the BPL is it? Let's judge him when he's played them games in a red shirt.

{Ed007's Note - Yeah wait to see what he can do against footballing mega-powers like Huddersfield and Bournemouth before judging him. The worst Italian defender in Serie A would walk into half the teams in the 'competitive* BPL'}

*Pishy


26.) 03 Jul 2017 22:12:07
If we have turned the lads head then we ought to buy him. It's as simple as that! The only question being how much would they budge down from their asking price which looks unlikely!


27.) 03 Jul 2017 22:15:09
I'm not in anyway looking to condone or excuse Liverpool if they have actually spoken To the player himself without permission but it's surely a very grey area when a club is within its rights to enquire via his agent as to whether a player is interested in joining. The agent will obviously ask the player and then tell the club yes or no.

A club could be "talking" to a player through his agent without ever physically speaking to them yet this isn't tapping up?


28.) 03 Jul 2017 22:41:41
The same easy Italy where Coutinho couldn't get a game for a then mid table Inter Milan?

Ed007 is bang on. The quality of defending in Italy is miles better than England. If you combined every team in the Premier League you could probably just about string a back 4 together as good as Napoli have. You wouldn't get near the level Roma and Juventus have though. Roma just sold Rudiger who will walk into the team at Champions Chelsea, but was Roma's 4th best centre back.

The state of defending in this country is laughable.


29.) 04 Jul 2017 10:17:14
Just so we are clear by the way, Keita looks nothing like Yaya Toure unless his highlights and extended clips are completely deceptive.

They are both African midfielders to be fair, but what else do they have in common?

Keita looks like a really tricky midfield player. Agile, good turn of pace, excellent work rate, very direct, decent at the short quick one touch passing, knicks possession back high up the pitch very well, good vision in behind, and capable of the odd goal or assist. He looks very weak though, and he also seems to chase the ball a bit when sometimes he should hold his position.

Toure is all about power and composure. He takes the ball, shields it from oncomers and sprays it on to start dangerous attacks from deep. Occasionally he will embark on a powerful run but he bulldozes his way through. He is a set piece specialist and long range shooter. Keita looks more like the type to try and get into the box with a quick one-two and is a better finisher one on one with the keeper.

I'd be interested to see that Toure comparison explained because I don't see it remotely. First Kante and now Toure? that's a bit of a difference. Keita to me looks like a better version of Lallana. Bags of energy and technical skill, he just knows how to use it properly and is younger.

The Toure comparison seems lazy to me. How can a 5ft7 attacking midfielder be remotely similar to a 6ft4 playmaker? Not a criticism mate, I just want to hear your logic behind it. If you have seen Keita play live then you are definitely better placed than me to form an opinion than me.


30.) 04 Jul 2017 11:02:06
I have to agree with Bryant that we have the best midfield in the league. In an attacking sense. Defencively we could be stronger and I think that's why kieta is being looked at. I would rather take vvd if it were a choice between the two. Give us both and I will be extremely optimistic.


 

 

12 Mar 2017 13:26:14
Just seen that Klopp said he had no plans to bring in a new keeper this summer. There are three possible translations as I see it.

1. He's doesn't want to show his hand at this stage of the season and is shooting who's available.

2. He's happy with Migs and Karius competing.

3. He plans to replace Migs with Ward.

If it's option 2 I'll be disappointed, we want a better keeper than Migs and Karius may not be the answer. If he isn't it will be 5 seasons without a good enough keeper. Option 3 is interesting but still a gamble, we don't know if Ward will make the grade either. I hope Klopp is being coy and keeping his options open.

PutneyRed

1.) 12 Mar 2017 13:52:14
Or it could be that Klopp wants rid of Mignolet and then have Karius as no 1, Ward no 2 and Manninger no 3.

If Karius is not going to get a proper shot at being no 1 then obviously we will not know whether he is the answer and signing a new keeper may not be the answer either unless he is given more than a handful of games to prove himself? So best solution in this situation is to give Karius a chance.


2.) 12 Mar 2017 13:53:11
The problem is not the keeper but the lack of DM and a decent defence.

Both are decent and Karius should be given more time (and patience from the so called fans) .


3.) 12 Mar 2017 13:59:23
Karius is our No.1 from the day we signed him and it has not changed due his bad performances.


4.) 12 Mar 2017 19:26:12
Interesting that our "number 1" can't get in the team.
He's clearly not "number 1" at the moment.


5.) 12 Mar 2017 20:39:09
Ron, Mignolet will be number one till the end of the season. Let's see whether he is going to be happy when he is sitting on the bench start of next season.

Klopp made a mistake to bring back Mignolet but it seems like it will work in his favour. It could be that Klopp tells him he should find another club once the season has ended. No number 1 wants to be told that. Ed002 has said on quite a few occasions that the club want rid and that Karius was signed to be no 1.


6.) 12 Mar 2017 21:01:20
How can he be "number 1" yet dropped for months?
He's back up to Mignolet, Klopp rates Mignolet higher.

{Ed002's Note - No, Klopp told Karius, Mignolet and the World that Karius is number one.}


7.) 12 Mar 2017 21:07:59
What can he say with 10 games left? "My goalies are awful, I want new ones"?

But old Jürgen is shrewd, and with Migs doing ok he can count on a pretty penny should he decide to sell, if the right keeper is available to replace him or if Karius is seen as settled.

If Karius needs more time or no really great keeper comes available Migs will be a decent option next year too.


8.) 13 Mar 2017 00:14:24
Karius is our number 1 the same way Sakho is our number 3.
Doesn't mean he's first choice.


9.) 13 Mar 2017 07:12:09
Clearly Karius is our no 1, that's the number on the back of his kit! Lol.


10.) 13 Mar 2017 13:34:22
So some think that mignolet is only being played in the first team to put him on the transfer market? I'm not so sure about that although it's an unlikely probability. I think Klopp is just taking the more practical approach, Karius did not settle well, and has been shaky with a number of the opportunities he had been given at the start of the season. Mignolet who was the more experienced premier league goal keeper was the only one he could turn to, not ideal by any stretch but a better option for goalkeeper at the time. Whilst we would never know if Karius would have been better in goal given the same games, mignolet has done alright. I wouldn't be surprised at either outcome in the summer, however I'm just not convinced by either of them. I think Karius was a poor choice to begin with but I think we decided to build a keeper rather than buy an established one which is a mistake we keep making, a never ending loop of purchasing players with potential that either never live up to it or never get the chance.


11.) 14 Mar 2017 06:39:50
No top keeper is going to sign for LFC, especially with Real sniffing round and add in City likely to be shopping around. So the choice is buy a second tier or a younger one with some experience, lots of potential and the understanding will need to bring him through. I thought the latter was why Karius was signed.


12.) 14 Mar 2017 12:40:21
Freshst- there is more than one top keeper in the world. They won't all sign for Real. City have already bought Bravo, are they going to ditch him?


13.) 14 Mar 2017 16:37:48
If de Gea moves to Real you can expect united to throw money at a replacement. Ditto Courtois leaving Chelsea or Loris leaving Spurs. Just my view but I see City looking for another keeper in summer as well. Hart seems to be saying he doesn't expect to be there and Bravos hasn't worked out.


 

 

10 Jan 2017 16:34:54
Hi Ed2, there are reports that Liverpool have set a price for Sakho's sale (effectively getting their outlay back) . Is the interest in Sakho high enough that clubs will pay a large fee or is it more likely that Liverpool will end up accepting a nominal fee to get him off the books?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I would think the answer is between the two. Liverpool want to sell rather than loan Sakho to another side. Sevilla and, perhaps, Roma may well seek a loan to buy deal for Sakho in January but the issue will be his wages. Sevilla remain interested but I understand Liverpool want to sell rather than loan him out and the asking price is seen to be very high indeed. Roma's interest will be there if they lose a centre back in January but are resisting the temptation to commit to buying a replacement at this time and want to take Sakho on loan. Besiktas and Galatasaray are not of interest to the player. Lyes Ghilas and Niakate Housseyni have both been spoken to by the club and they should be looking for a new home for the player but for now Housseyni is insistant that Sakho stays and if that is the case he will no doubt be spending his time looking for the deal that suits them and not Liverpool for the summer. Housseyni has been told that the club expect to recover their investment in him. Ghilas offered the player to a representative of Marseilles whilst they were both at meetings with Chelsea but they have no interest in him. Stoke have discussed a loan with his agent but have said they would need to have Liverpool pay half his wages. The player has said that he wants a high-end side and that will likely rule out any interest from the player in clubs such as West Brom and West Ham who have both enquired with Housseyni. If Southampton were to lose both van Dijk and Fonte during January then they might also consider a loan. So it is a case of looking to a deal with Sevilla or Southampton and perhaps being more reasonable about the price and not demanding £20M or so.}


1.) 11 Jan 2017 08:07:04
Just in case you didn't see my first reply, just wanted to say thanks for the in-depth reply.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


2.) 13 Jan 2017 00:38:05
And that ladies and gentlemen is why this site rocks. Ed02.take a bow son. what a reply.


 

 

 

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27 Jul 2017 16:33:17
Hey eds, I'd like to ask about Harry Wilson, last season it seems he was our best player in the u-23s, couple that with the fact that he plays in a position we're light in and you'd think he'd be at least on the edge of the first team but Klopp doesn't seem interested. Do you know why he isn't being given a shot?

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - light in? You mean the wing? That we just bought another player for? Wilson has just not done enough to force his way into the first team thinking as a starter.}


1.) 27 Jul 2017 17:00:42
Unfortunately there is just too mch in front of him as well Asa's potentially not proving his worth just yet in training. 8 imagine he will go out on loan so he can get some game time and grow as a player.

The hardest part for someone in his position is growing from a youth player getting the odd cameo into a fully dependable adult first teamer.

I have faith he will make it as a player, whether it is with us is up to him.


2.) 27 Jul 2017 17:20:17
There's a lot of difference between being the "best player" and scoring the most goals or creating the most assists. The best players in that u23 team are in the squads Woodburn and taa and gomez and ejaria. Stewart sold. Wilson is in my opinion not as good as Kent either.


 

 

25 Jul 2017 08:40:01
Right, latest conspiracy theory. Wiji's played deep a fair bit in pre-season. With Couts coming into midfield likely taking his position is Klopp training Wiji to play deeper to be the back up to Hendo? Is it a sign that Klopp's planning for life without Can?

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - yes.}


1.) 25 Jul 2017 08:48:18
Do you believe that Can will be sold Ed? I hope not, he will be some player.

{Ed001's Note - he hasn't signed his new contract, so he will have to go.}


2.) 25 Jul 2017 08:59:37
A great pity - is there any indication as to why he hasn't signed? Is this a money thing or does he just fancy playing in a different league?

{Ed001's Note - game time mainly, he wants to be first choice and win trophies, he will get both those with Juventus. Plus he won't have to put up with shedloads of abuse when playing through injury, like he did with us....}


3.) 25 Jul 2017 09:14:01
Thanks Ed, I hadn't expected quite such a definitive answer. If I could trouble you for a follow up I would expect that if Can leaves we'd want to bring in another midfielder. Would that be Keita (if we could get him) or would it be an squad player (such as A O-C)?

{Ed001's Note - Keita.}


4.) 25 Jul 2017 09:19:53
Thanks Ed.

{Ed001's Note - welcome.}


5.) 25 Jul 2017 09:44:50
Will Can be first choice for Juventus? I'm surprised by that to be hoenst.

{Ed001's Note - yes and why surprised? He is an excellent player.}


6.) 25 Jul 2017 10:20:08
Has Klopp refused to give him assurances over game time then Ed1?
Also, is there a plan B to Keita because it's seems apparent that he's not coming.
Thanks Ed1.

{Ed001's Note - last season showed him that he is not first choice.}


7.) 25 Jul 2017 10:24:59
Thanks Ed1. That's a shame. I think he'd probably have forced himself into the first team with his performances over the last few months.

{Ed001's Note - me too.}


8.) 25 Jul 2017 10:28:32
So that's can gone then 😔
Didn't think this was how the transfer window was going to pan out.


9.) 25 Jul 2017 10:39:11
Have to say I'd be a bit gutted if Can goes. There is fierce competition in our midfield mind you, so maybe understandable from his view point, but am still gutted none the less. Let's hope for a decent fee I suppose.


10.) 25 Jul 2017 10:40:42
Ed, I know you're probably sick of hearing the name Keith but please would you give me your gut feeling in this: come the end of the transfer window do you see him at Liverpool?

{Ed001's Note - well Penelope does like her seat in the Kop, so she could well be there.}


11.) 25 Jul 2017 10:51:56
Can is a very good player who played through injury to help get us top 4 and there was nothing but abuse raining on him for doing something that many other players would never do. He was awesome for us down the stretch and I will be sad to see him go.


12.) 25 Jul 2017 11:07:56
Good one ed. that's auto-correct at play. I meant your gut feeling over Keita signing?

{Ed001's Note - my gut feeling is that I probably should not have eaten so much spicey food last night. I don't have one about Keita one way or the other to be honest. I know he wants to join and we want him, but I also know RBL are not in the slightest bit ready to sell.}


13.) 25 Jul 2017 11:21:30
Cans more than replaceable.


14.) 25 Jul 2017 12:00:40
I do think Can is excellent, and would be gutted if he left ed001, but not sure he would be guaranteed a starting berth with pjanic, kedhira, marchisio etc, when he is not even a definite starter for us!

{Ed001's Note - I don't rate any of those players personally. Pjanic could be good, but he usually goes missing and Khedira I just don't get the deal with him.}


15.) 25 Jul 2017 12:12:00
I am not being critically at all of Can by any means. But he will not be hard to replace. In and outbof our team for several seasons. No real impact. He is technically average. Nearly 2500 mins of footy last season.5 goals and 2 assists. Goes missing a lot and does give the ball away a fair bit. Good luck to the guy. I know he's 23 but he's been around a while. Think grujic has more potential and should be given a shot.


16.) 25 Jul 2017 12:18:43
We will regret this so so badly, he's miles better at CM than Wijnaldum and Lallana and I have no qualms about saying it plus he's one of the only physical players we have. So disappointed.


17.) 25 Jul 2017 12:24:44
Players come, players go.
I can't get worked up about it to be honest.
Good luck to Emre, great pro, no shortage of effort.
Will get a cracking welcome if he ever comes back to LFC
👏.


 

 

21 Jul 2017 11:28:51
I’ve been suspicious of our transfer plans all summer, I don’t think the numbers we were hearing added up and I didn’t see what was the point in making a midfielder our priority. As has been suggested by a number of other posters I’m now afraid the actual plan is revealing itself, Keita is being courted as the replacement for Coutinho.

Over the last few weeks this idea has been rubbished with people pointing out that they’re very different players and play in different positions, that is largely true but Salah means we don’t need left wing Couts and Keita, if he’s as good as some people say, is a suitable replacement for the midfield role everyone expected Couts to take this season.

People saying that Couts would rather make his legend at Liverpool rather than be a squad member at Barcelona are in denial. For a Brazilian the dream is to play for Barcelona or Real Madrid, no other European club comes close to holding the same appeal. Liverpool, right now, aren’t even in the second tier of desirable clubs. At Barcelona he would earn more money, play in front of bigger crowds, have a higher profile and, almost certainly, win more trophies. Not only is it in his interests to move he will be worried that the opportunity may not come again and that Liverpool will never match his ambitions.

There are four ways this transfer saga will play out. Both players will move, neither will or one or the other will. The worst scenario is that Coutinho leaves and Keita (nor any suitable alternative) doesn’t come in. I hope that Liverpool are in a strong enough position that they will not sell Coutinho without securing a replacement.

I haven’t given up on Couts staying this season, I think he feels affection and loyalty to Liverpool and we do appear to be on an upward curve so he may be prepared to give us another year or two but make no mistake, Couts wants to play at the highest echelons of the game and, right now, that’s not Liverpool.

PutneyRed

1.) 21 Jul 2017 13:42:32
Not all Brazilians end up at Barcelona or Real! Willian is at Chelsea and from years!
It's all about winning trophies. If you win nothing you could even lose your academy!


2.) 21 Jul 2017 16:04:06
The difference is that willian isn't anywhere near good enough to attract the attention of Barcelona or real.

If they come calling, hazard wouldn't resist I'll bet.


 

 

19 Jul 2017 12:40:15
A lot of people today twisting things to make the news fit what they want to happen. The only fact is that RBL have rejected a second bid.

Whether or not RBL are holding out for more money is guess work. Whether they are trying to appease their fans is guess work. Whether the player wants to force his way out is guess work.

We've bid, they've rejected it and said publicly they don't want to sell. Based on those facts there is little reason to believe this transfer will happen.

PutneyRed

1.) 19 Jul 2017 13:18:20
There are loads of examples in football where this sort of thing has resulted in an occurrence of a final transfer and loads of examples of where not. Only the Liverpool hierarchy will know the extent of their desire to bag this man versus any others, and how far they are prepared to push and only his current club will know how much desire they have to retain him versus taking the cash and trying to replace. Meanwhile it's all speculation in the press all speculation in these pages, etc, etc. In examples like this I always find the betting sites and odds a pretty decent indicator funnily enough. Not because they are any better informed but because it is their business to make money and not throw it away. The odds are shortening btw!


2.) 19 Jul 2017 14:26:09
The next step today or tomorrow will surely be a written transfer request now followed by a final take it or leave it bid.


3.) 19 Jul 2017 16:50:49
Letkloppdecide: re the bookies. I remember when they stopped taking bets on Ribery joining.


 

 

18 Jul 2017 10:19:47
Shortly we're going to sign someone and there'll be at least one poster shouting 'See! I told you so! '. I just want to point out before hand that you knew no more than anyone else, you just got lucky that you happened to guess on the right day.

PutneyRed

1.) 18 Jul 2017 11:32:44
Have you posted this so you can say "I told you so" when someone says "I told you so"? 😉.


2.) 18 Jul 2017 11:44:08
Hmmmm, you've given me a bit of an existential crisis there Ron 😓.


3.) 18 Jul 2017 13:11:13
Ron, did you post to say "I told you so" on his "I told you so" on someone else's "I told you so"


4.) 18 Jul 2017 14:28:01
Yes 😎.


5.) 18 Jul 2017 15:42:11
Yes but who told you that?


6.) 18 Jul 2017 18:02:48
Waqas, did you post to say "I told you so" on rons "I told you so" on putneyreds "I told you so" to say indirectly "I told you so"?

Bugger this for a laugh feels like hard work 😂.


 

 

 

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17 Jul 2017 12:27:09
Ed2, how's the head imprint doing on your desk?

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03 Jul 2017 18:21:07
Ed, do you have an opinion on whether he's worth the investment?

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{Ed001's Note - Keita? No idea. I very much doubt anyone is worth the money being asked when we need fullbacks as a priority. If central midfield was the priority, then maybe, but it's not.}


 

 

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Many thanks for the detailed response.

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11 Jun 2017 08:24:50
But aren't we supposed to pay whatever the asking price is now? I thought all this haggling is a sign of how bad our recruitment team is. Surely refusing to pay over the odds is terrible business.

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08 Jun 2017 06:55:11
Shame Ed, at the very least I hope the club learn a lesson, I think we're sailing very close to the wind with our transfer activity.

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27 Jul 2017 11:06:44
Brewster isn't ready for the first team so needn't be considered. Ings may well go on loan leaving Firmino, Origi and studied for the first team with Solanke as backup from the u-23s.

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26 Jul 2017 22:27:59
Lolt, Ed2 is far more welcome on this site than the likes of you.

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26 Jul 2017 22:16:27
Hmmmm, storm in a teacup me thinks.

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26 Jul 2017 16:52:16
B Scouse, he will earn more money with Barca, he will have a better chance of winning trophies, he will play in front of larger crowds, he will have a larger profile with the associated benefit of having his international career enhanced, he will play with three of the four best players on earth, he will get to live in Barcelona as opposed to the NW of England, it is likely the Barcelona fans will love him just as much as we do.

At Liverpool he may make his legend but he may be part of a team that achieves nothing. It would be very brave of him to choose us over Barcelona. That's why I think loyalty is our only card.

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26 Jul 2017 13:22:54
If you think Barcelona are going to pay upwards of £80m for a bench warmer you're kidding yourself.

From a neutral perspective there is little reason for him to stay, the only thing we have going for us is loyalty.

Hopefully Klopp is telling the truth when he says he's not for sale and hopefully Couts has enough loyalty to the club to accept that.

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