20 Sep 2026 16:17:54
I know we won and its a shame to be negative but I can't hide my frustration at watching Wirtz this game. This experiment playing him at 10 can not carry on any longer.
20 Sep 2026 16:26:13
Isak gets a pass for being lazy whilst he's scoring and getting in the right positions to score. unfortunately Wirtz has messed up our midfield and so far isn't proving that's worth it.
20 Sep 2026 16:36:12
Isak covered the 5th most distance of Liverpool players and 4th most sprints. A
Hard to justify the lazy tag today in my opinion.
20 Sep 2026 16:45:41
I don't judge players on 1 game JK23, Isak did well today, was getting into good positions, one time if he could have walked quickly out of the box he might have been onside from a Jacquet ball back in, but overall he was trying to press and make runs. I thought Wirtz looked good against Forest and was coming good but not so good against Ipswich and today (I didn't watch the Fulham game).
And he makes Szob's game less effective so it's one of them in the team now for me now if we want to win something this season and at the moment its Szob.
{Ed666's Note - Was there two Isak’s on the pitch because the one I saw did none of what you suggest.
20 Sep 2026 16:52:52
Josh king looks miles ahead of wirtz.
20 Sep 2026 16:59:19
Warmachine that's fair enough. I think lazy is a bit ott though.
Isak today in 81 mins covered 10.1km and made 20 sprints.
Koumas on tues night in 85 mins covered 9.9km and made 21 sprints where his work rate got high accolades.
20 Sep 2026 17:47:15
JK, maybe it is because when Koumas presses, he is within 10–20 meters of the player who has the ball or the one he is supposed to press, but when Isak presses, he is 80–90 meters away from the player he is supposed to press.
20 Sep 2026 18:00:28
Mfahmee - yet Koumas failed to convert a chance that Isak would have buried.
I would much rather have a goal scorer who is learning his new role than a pressing machine that does not score.
Goals and clean sheets win matches, favouritism and ideals win nothing.
{Ed666's Note - Or isak could just learn to press and score goals
20 Sep 2026 18:20:45
Isak does most of his miles walking; counting the number of sprints means sfa when you're only covering 10 yards every time.
20 Sep 2026 18:28:56
Yeah fair point. I would have taken 11 yard sprints over his goal today.
20 Sep 2026 18:59:40
Isak scores, they complain about what he is not doing.
Isak does not score nor get into positions to score, they still complain.
Man can't win for losing. Or lose for winning.
{Ed666's Note - He stands around doing nothing and then Wirtz gets the blame. His job is to make runs I don’t see him do that. His job is to make defenders life a nightmare with his movement I don’t see him do that. His job is to score goals and he’s doing that I suppose. There is nothing wrong with asking a British transfer record player to do his job. Haaland does all of the above very well.
20 Sep 2026 19:10:11
That would put Isak in his own 18 yard box or behind Alison a lot of the times then if true.
I've told you 73 billion times before to stop over exaggerating ?.
In fairness I love Koumas energy. The fact Ai continues to pick Isak over him might mean Ai either disagrees or is the problem.
20 Sep 2026 21:32:49
Seems like we are getting carried away about players pressing more so than scoring goals. Isak 4 goals in 5 PL games this season.
{Ed666's Note - Ian rush scored millions of goals for Liverpool didn’t stop greats managers like Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish forcing him to press.
20 Sep 2026 21:56:18
Ed666, let me take you up on your own argument. When Darwin was here, tons of fans did not care how much running, pressing, movement he did because all they cared about was his goal scoring ability which wasn't good. In fact, the line was always, "Darwin should be scoring goals because that is his job".
Now, we have Isak who I agree is not the hardworking; ppresser, physical animal who can run for days like Darwing could. However, Darwin wasn't the goalscorer Isak is. However, you and others on here are now saying the running, the pressing are sak's job now.
Whereas when Darwin was doing these same things, people pooped all over it because he was you know, "Not doing his job" which was scoring goals consistently.
I say all the above, to say that at the end of the day, a striker's job seems to differ depending on people's opnions, as none of that is defined.
You think Isak should be doing the stuff Darwin was good at (which I get) while others would prefer Isak to score goals first and do those things as a compliment.
My opinion is that a striker's job esp. in a pressing system is somewhere in-between.
Cos as much as Darwin was a monser in running, pressing etc., he simply could not score goals consistently.
Cheers, man.
{Ed666's Note - I’m not expecting Isak to press like Darwin but I want Isak to hone his all round play to make the team better and to learn press is part of doing that. Every member of this squad needs to step up at the moment apart from maybe JJ.
21 Sep 2026 03:51:49
A lot of over thinking going on.
Sometimes, in the old days, people just used to go and watch the footy and singalong with the other fans and discuss the coming game in the pub on Friday night / Saturday lunchtime.
True, they didn't have the interweb and social media or watch the match through their phone camera so they could sit in a dark room in the middle of the night watching footage over and over and over again and convincing themselves that taking a team from non-league football to World Club Champions over two consecutive nights on their 'x station' or 'play box' qualified them to offer their opinion in the real world.
It all seemed a lot more fun - not least for the fans - than it seems now. Sad really.
{Ed666's Note - and why are Liverpool fans disqualified from having an opinion on their teams performance or lack of? I much prefer modern day football coverage where we have 24 hour exposure through all sorts of mediums to talk about the game, coaches, transfers and players. I started watching football in the 1970’s when all we had was highlights on a Tuesday or Wednesday night of European games if we were lucky I think only the final was shown live on TV (someone correct me if I’m wrong it was a long time ago and my memory is appalling. We had the big match on a Sunday highlights show of the old first division. Saint and greaves, grandstand but it wasn’t enough. Now we are spoilt and I love it. I wish we had forums like this when I was growing up. I’m rambling on now and forgotten my point ?
21 Sep 2026 09:45:31
Don't get me wrong @666, everybody has their own opinions and are entitled to air them. I have no problem with that. I just think that with the constant access and watching the same thing multiple times encourages people to overthink what is, after all, a game. Society has changed since I started watching footy (according to my dad he took me to my first match in the very early 60's when I was 3 or 4).
In my own view I used to really look forwards to our games and enjoy the excitement of watching the match live. It was a fun experience now all I see is people looking for fault and expecting absolute perfection every time we play.
{Ed666's Note - I hear you mate and I’m glad to read this post because you’re older than me and that gives me a weird sense of gratification ?…no seriously I get what your saying but I love the modern side of the game with all the exposure, podcasts, forums, tv, etc etc but I can understand your appreciation of the halcyon days when it was much simpler and less scrutinized
21 Sep 2026 08:48:03
There's nothing wrong with opinions or having opinions on someone else's opinions. These days opinions are far more easily accessible and people will run with them even if there's very little or no substance to them.
For example, Slot being a part timer and spending a lot of time in Ibiza, Jota picking up injuries because of his gaming habits and Diaz angling for a move to Barcelona.
I'm not saying there isn't anything to support these stories but a lot of people, myself included, just repeat what they have heard, sometimes depending on the source or to suit an already existing narrative.
As Ed666, it's good to have many more options, but also, as WDW said, too much 'information' is not a good thing.
Those are just my opinions though ?.
21 Sep 2026 11:48:34
JK, for the record, I couldn't care less if Isak plays hopscotch and sips tea between goals so long as he scores them. I've stated many times on here that people shouldn't be expecting high output off-the-ball work from him, he's not built for it, he's never going to do what Koumas does.
I'm merely pointing out that stat like 'number of sprints' can be very misleading. 4 goals in 5 games is the only stat I'm concerned with.
21 Sep 2026 15:15:30
@666, you are just a youngster - just you wait with age comes wisdom ???.
{Ed666's Note - I’m still coming to grips with grey hairs on my chest..that’s enough to put you off your cornflakes
21 Sep 2026 18:20:57
Fair enuff, Triple 6. I can agree with your response.
Like I said, Isak's job as a striker in a pressing systm should be somewhere in-between the off the ball pressing & running as well as goals/assists.