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27 Jan 2024 07:36:49
Speaking with a mate yesterday who obvs highlighted the obvious in that we only won 1 league under Klopp and Guardiola is a better manager.
Question on here - who would turn back the clock and take a Guardiola for example and another 1/ 2 league titles over Klopp? I certainly wouldn’t trade him for even a bit more success.
1.) 27 Jan 2024 07:52:49
better manager?
better resourced manager would be accurate.
the fact that Klopp won 1 and came super close twice tells u how good he is. without him, City would have walked the league the last 7 years. think of any other team that really challenged them and go toe to toe without a much more modest budget in comparison. there was none.
Yes we did spend big but its not a year on year practice like City. They literally bought GK after GK, LB after LB, each one more expensive than before and could buy players to form 2 teams that would compete in the PL like money wasnt a concern. We had excellent first teamers, good squad players and this season, a bunch of very exciting youngsters.
And apart from what happens on the pitch and at end of the season, Klopp connected with the fans and the city, and whilst football is a results game, the many other parts surrounding it makes it whole. I don't see that in Pep.
2.) 27 Jan 2024 08:01:40
Nah. Am sure we would have done well with Pep too but Klopp just fits the club and city.
The titles argument will always be there but Klopp couldn’t have done anything more to win more than 1.
3.) 27 Jan 2024 08:27:23
I prefer Klopp as a manager for us, but let's not go down this route of Pep buying success. City have had plenty of managers who couldn't sustain success even with the Arab resources. Pep is clearly one of the greatest managers in the history of the game and to think otherwise is lunacy. If he wanted to come to LFC at the end of the year we would bite his hand off.
4.) 27 Jan 2024 09:44:27
That is true Westwood. Previous City managers all had the same resources as he did and none came close to won what he has. But you can't discount that Pep had infinite resources as well. Could he have done the same with City without them? I would think not. So, while he is clearly the best manager City has had in the PL era, I would stop short of calling him the best manager in general.
5.) 27 Jan 2024 09:55:40
Brummy, allow me to dispell something a lot of people say. Yes, Klopp won only 1 title in his 8 seasons so far compared to Klopp. However if you deep it, people forget that it took him 3/ 4 years to build the team until it was ready to challenge and eventually win the title based on the mess Brodgers left him. Pep took over the deppest and most quality squad in the title and still spent 200m in his first season, something Klopp could not do for obv. reasons.
So essentially, Klopp won one title in in 4 years since 2018, challenged Pep in 3 of those 4 years and won once in 4 legitimate tries so 25% conversion rate. Not bad, right considering the opposition? As for going back to see if we could have taken Pep or Klopp, sorry Klopp all day everyday and I wanted him over Ancelloti at the time already. Pep? Great coach who needs everything set up perfectly in order to perform. I'll pass.
6.) 27 Jan 2024 12:01:58
No one denies Pep is a world class coach, but he’s not as good as Klopp, and he knows it himself. Klopp WOULD have achieved everything Pep has had he competed with similar funds, but Pep wouldn’t done the reverse.
7.) 27 Jan 2024 12:58:43
LoweLFC, Pep could not even achieve the dizzy heights Jose got to with that Porto team. The guy won A Treble (League, Cup, EL) in 02/ 03 and then THE Treble in 03/ 04 with majority of players very little people had ever heard of. Pep couldn't have even won the COnference League for Roma the way Jose did 2 years ago.
Pep's a great coach BUT like I said, if you can only succeed when everything is in the perfect situation for you then, how great are you really compared to those like Klopp and Jose who did bits at clubs where things are very much imperfect?
8.) 27 Jan 2024 15:57:11
To the OP, Guardiola couldn’t function under the restrictions Klopp has. Look at the starting 11’s when they started and their transfer budgets.
9.) 27 Jan 2024 15:58:55
Klopp could double his tally by May. Just saying.
28 Feb 2024 22:54:51
Yeh love him Jude and it was all well and good him playing like that when Virg was at his peak but given Trent is a liability on the other side defensively we can’t have two fullbacks bombing on all the time. Maybe as he gets older he will press less and hold his position at bar like Walker does for City.
28 Feb 2024 12:33:02
Nah Robbo plays like a madman, always emotional with the press and gets caught out of position leaving us exposed at the back. Happens so many times a game it’s unreal. Great energy and desire but if we continue to play Trent right back I’d prefer a more defensively minded left back to accommodate rather than leaving us exposed down both flanks. Virgil not got the pace to be a one man wall anymore.
22 Jan 2024 11:42:37
I’d take anything over 60 million for Salah this summer. Legs are going and he is no longer able to beat a pacy defender. Scored a great goal vs arsenal but that’s more due to how inadequate Zinchenko is.
We don’t have the money to let Salah leave for free/ retire with us. Need to get the money to reinvest in the squad.
03 Dec 2023 23:53:49
Really don’t know what Salah people are watching. Completely lost the ability to beat a man and his first touch and finishing are leaving a lot to be desired. Definitely on a downwards trajectory and I would be selling in the summer to get some funds to replace him. If Darwin could consistently finish we should be building our attack around him now.
03 Nov 2023 13:24:52
Missed out with van de ven - looks a top top player imo. Would have been a perfect VVD replacement and could easily cover LB too.
08 Mar 2024 10:57:10
Elliot captain?! Unfortunately don’t think he will ever become a key starter in the team. Just doesn’t have the pace to play on the wing or the size and strength to play in the middle. Nice little player but more of a squad player imo.
29 Feb 2024 21:15:35
Need a DM, CB and RW and we should be set to challenge next year with or without Salah.
28 Feb 2024 22:58:33
I didn’t think he played that well. Him and McConnell both seemed over awed at times and played the safe pass far too often. Would have liked them to be a bit more fearless and grab the opportunity. Both seem to lack pace and desire to track as well which was a bit confusing given their age - thought they’d be sprinting everywhere.
Quansah, Bradley are levels above all the other young kids in my opinion although the 16 year old looked quality and koumas and Dannys did well.
24 Feb 2024 11:55:54
With you there WDW - much rather have the 3 fit for city than risking them for this if not fully fit. To me that is the more important game in the context of our season and defs the game I’d rather win.
08 Feb 2024 12:24:17
Surely not?! One of my favourite players but if that’s true it’s a joke.