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07 Apr 2022 14:43:05
Romano just report Fabio Carvalho as done deal

Is this true?


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool were negotiating compensation with Fulham with a third party involved - I assume that they have now agreed.}

1.) 07 Apr 2022 16:33:59
Whao. We now have 3 young players in that position - Jones, Elliot, Carvalho.

Seems like Ox will be gone.

2.) 07 Apr 2022 16:40:32
5 year deal, medical done with Fulhams permission, no loan back and announcement in May supposedly.

3.) 07 Apr 2022 15:40:06
Will he come to us eds or do you see him being loaned back? Thanks.

4.) 07 Apr 2022 18:37:04
According to Yahoo it's a done deal at £5 million and he won't be going back on loan.
Ox could well be gone, Klopp said in an interview recently there would probably be players moving on in the summer to get more playing time.

5.) 07 Apr 2022 19:43:17
As indicated quite some time ago. He will come to us. £7.7m agreed including add-ons.

6.) 08 Apr 2022 09:33:24
What do you think Ox is worth. Perhaps £20million?

7.) 08 Apr 2022 13:57:05
We'd be lucky to get £10m.

8.) 09 Apr 2022 13:33:11
Yeah, I think it will be around £10m for Ox, might struggle to get rid with his wages being so high.

9.) 11 Apr 2022 21:51:49
Hi ed. is gleison bremer also on our shortlist player to add for the next season? Appreciate for your thoughts. Thank you.

{Ed002's Note - Gleison Bremer (CB) Carlo Ancelotti tried to take him to Napoli and also Everton. He could try again as an affordable option for Real Madrid. Spurs and Milan provide good options as Spurs look to upgrade on the CBs they have and Milan fear losing Alessio Romagnoli as a Free Agent. Again, he is of interest to Inter Milan who fear losing Alessandro Bastoni in the summer of 2022 and they offer perhaps the most attractive solutution. Previously of interest to Leicester and Liverpool, but both opted for others. Juventus have him on a list of options should they lose de LIgt in the summer but there are certainly a couple ahead of him. Chelsea have a pressing need to add CBs with players out of contract in the summer and could look to him as a cost-effective solution. Torino will look to a new contract to end thoughts of a move but that has not stopped clubs scouting him as they expect him to be available in the summer as he has so far refused a new contract. Bayern Munich have held discussions with Torino.

A CB is not a priority for Liverpool.}



01 Jun 2021 16:05:17
while we are at it for transfers, can anyone update when will we sign any of the following players?

- Pablo Aimar
- Simão Sabrosa
- Dani Alves
- David Villa
- Joaquín Sánchez

Also, any others that we have been waiting for the transfer finally be completed after the long wait?


{Ed0666's Note - I think Simao is still on the plane ready to take off no?

1.) 01 Jun 2021 16:14:49
sadly that seems to be as far as he got
was it issues with the plane, pilot, airport or stewardess?
or that he had issues with flying?

i really think travel restrictions shouldn't be used as an excuse given how long we've waited for him.

{Ed0666's Note - don’t worry he’ll sign the pilots just a bit late. Maybe he should have used the babbel-copter!

2.) 01 Jun 2021 16:52:17
I think the Pablo Aimar rumour goes far back. It was around in the days of 'football rumours'!

{Ed0666's Note - around the days of Jurrasic Park mote like

3.) 01 Jun 2021 17:02:08
I believe a horse and carriage are being lined up to bring Fatty Foulkes from Bradford as Alisson's understudy.

His spiritual successor - Big Nev - is also being lined up for the No 3 slot, but he will only have to take a ferry across the Mersey.

4.) 01 Jun 2021 17:07:20
What about Arda Turan?

5.) 01 Jun 2021 17:31:14
Pablo Aimar, well that’s a blast from the past. Remember him being a wonder kid on Championship Manager. How time flies hey!

6.) 01 Jun 2021 18:28:38
Gareth Barry I've heard, although got a feeling it won't happen!

7.) 01 Jun 2021 18:30:37
Whaddabout the Konoplyankakopter?

8.) 01 Jun 2021 18:32:28
I'm still waiting for Ken Augero to sigh! 😃.

9.) 01 Jun 2021 19:26:49
And Quaresma.

10.) 01 Jun 2021 19:59:51
Aimar would have been brilliant for us.

11.) 04 Jun 2021 02:48:24
Don't forget Ayala from Valencia.



05 Jan 2019 23:21:53
hi Ed002, if you are about, do you see Lallana moving on in this window as well? its no secret that he wants to move and he hasn't had much game time this past 1.5 years.

Likewise for Markovic, Ejaria, and Pedro who all seemed surplus to requirements and are unlikely to even be on the bench.

Or would the summer be a more likely time for these 4 players to move on.


{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Lallana saying he wants to move - his lack of game time is down to injury. As such moving this window would be vey unlikely I would think. Markovic should be released from his contract. Liverpool has no use for Ejaria either and will look to loan him out again initially I would think.}

1.) 06 Jan 2019 07:43:27
Thanks for the response. Much appreciated.



01 Jan 2019 00:19:33
it's 2019! and the transfer window has opened! not expecting much to happen but i perceive some things may need to be done pending on outgoings. Nonetheless, here are some thoughts (for the next 2 windows) . Please feel free to share your thoughts!

Probable outs: Mignolet, Bogdan, Karius (on loan)
Preference: Would hope that we can secure a solid no.2 that can feature in the cup games and deputise ably when needed. but are there keepers of decent quality that is willing and available to do that?

Not expecting much to change and am happy to keep things as it is.

Probable outs: Clyne, Randall
Preference: In my dream world, Wan-Bissaka. If we can secure him, TAA, Gomez, Fab can cover and I think we'll be quite strong in this area. The down side is TAA would have lesser game time as i think Wan-Bissaka is the better fullback and he'll (TAA) have to wait for his chance in middle of the park.

Probable outs: Moreno
Preference: Some names that have been thrown around include Laxalt, Tierney, Chilwell. Personally don't know any good LBs but if we are spending, would prefer someone that can challenge Robertson for a starting spot, otherwise the youth prospects can be given a chance? Would really hope to see Roberston given a rest when possible as he really looks knackered in the last game.

Probable outs: Lallana, Milner (if Leeds gets promoted and it appears ever more likely), Pedro, Ejaria, Grujic
Preference: For TAA to be in contention to feature in this position. Rabiot's name has been thrown around and while he's quality, he seems to have fair bit of baggage with him? Would think we need at least one addition in the summer. Not too sure if Allan could return, get a permit and is deemed as suitable for the team (he hasn't featured much this season while on loan though)?

Probable outs: Sturridge, Origi, Ings (complete transfer), Ojo
Preference: Will Kent and Wilson have a shot next year? I hope at least Wilson will get a chance. Would hope to add one or two players who can play in any position in the front 3 as cover but who is able, available and willing?

Summary of anticipated key deals:
1) LB
2) RB
3) CM
4) GK
5) Forward.


1.) 01 Jan 2019 01:10:08
I see Moreno staying until the end of the season will be interesting though to see if anyone tries to snap him up on a free in January, I expect he will play against Wolves in the FA Cup. I doubt we will have many banging on our door for Mignolet come January or in the summer so I expect him to be backup for next year. I am not sure about Milner moving on, even back to Leeds if they get promoted, I suspect him to be another one to still be here next season unless Klopp wants otherwise. I suspect maybe 2 or 3 new signings next summer at most. As for January maybe one.

2.) 01 Jan 2019 02:52:58
I think that’s a pretty good summary, but none are urgent and most are about leavers and backups, so likely to wait for the summer. As Ed02 mentioned (and I agree here) there’s really no need to disrupt the dressing room much in Jan unless something special comes along we can’t ignore.

Of all the positions in the summer, I think a backup GK, a backup LB and a backup striker are most crucial (assuming Migs, Moreno and Sturridge leave) and need to see senior players coming in as we don’t have obvious subs in any of those positions. After that, i think we can probably cover fine with Ox coming back into Midfield and Fabinho able to play RB, so I would like us to just give the kids a chance to step up in place of Lallana, Clyne etc. as they’re only likely to get game time in an injury crisis. eg we can give opportunities to Wilson, Herbie Kane, Brewster, Camacho, Adam Lewis.

3.) 01 Jan 2019 09:22:49
I’d say this window most likely to leave for me would be Clyne and/ or Origi. But would say we will probably sell

Moreno, Lallana, Sturridge, and maybe Milner in summer.

In terms of youngsters I think Kent, Ejaria, Ojo, Randall and possibly Solanke will all leave this summer.

4.) 01 Jan 2019 09:36:17
Excellent summary mate I'm definetly with you on Wan-Bissaka what a singing he would be. I agree Trent's game time would go down but I believe Klopp would rotate them well and start giving Trent chances in midfield in cup games etc and there would be no need to play Gomez at RB again let him focus solely on improving as a CB. I think its more realistic this happens next year though when a midfielder likely leaves (probably Wijnaldum) and Trent will be guaranteed more game time and Wan-Bissaka is more experienced.

GK I would ideally say Butland as he's English and would be decent back up but honestly don't mind who we get.

On CB reluctantly I would say leave it as is at the moment even though I am not Lovren and Matips biggest fans and 3/ 4 injury prone centre backs is not great its worked so far. Ed002 has mentioned we are looking at young CBs that's probably the ideal signing in that position to cover and an eye on the future as well.

At LB I think Adam Lewis has to be promoted I don't see the point in spending money on a replacement at all unless we don't sign a RB then we'd go for a more experienced LB and send Lewis on loan.

For Midfield if Lallana and Milner leave like everyone expects than I think Fabinho/ Henderson/ Keita/ Wijnaldum/ Ox are great options for the 3 spots. What I'm trying to predict is whether Bobby will start playing more permenantly behind the striker, where Fekir would've played if he signed, in that case I wouldn't sign another midfielder but get a lethal striker. If Bobby is moved back up front then I would get someone in like Fekir. What is confusing me is that I think Ed001 stated Shaqiri was a Fekir alternantive so I'm not sure if we sign a 10 or a striker but the big money will be spent on of those I believe.

The forward area I think we need to put faith in Brewster now have him as the backup ST on the bench once Sturridge, Origi, Ings and probably Solanke leave. We will either have Bobby or a new signing as first choice No.9 and probably Salah as second choice then Brewster to begin with. I'd expext Ojo and Kent to leave permenantly or on loan and Wilson/ Woodburn on another loan with good game time.

I think this a very good potential squad next season.

Alisson, BUTLAND, Grabara


Virgil, Gomez, Lovren, Matip, YOUNG CB

Robertson, Lewis

Fabinho, Henderson, Keita, Wijnaldum, NEW 10, Ox

Salah, Mane, Shaqiri, Camacho

Bobby, Brewster, Duncan

What does everyone think about this squad and whether we go for a new number 10 or a striker? I really think that's the big singing we will make.

5.) 01 Jan 2019 09:36:31
For the Goalkeeping situation I'd look at Burnley at either Pope (less likely due to his break out season last year) or Heaton the older of the two 31 I think. But he has premier-league experience and he maybe even 3rd choice at Burnley. Either of the two and I'd be happy. Mignolet may get a hard time from the fans but he is a better goalkeeper than some give him credit for and he will go to a decent team when he leaves. I personally thought at Sunderland he had a better season than Pickford when both were signed.

6.) 01 Jan 2019 11:14:32
In. Wan bissaka, de ligt, rabiot and fekir.

Out . Mig, Matip, Moreno, clyne, Milner (let him go on a free if Leeds come up), lallana, sturridge, solanke.

I've no worries anymore about our club.

We are now 4? Transfer windows into klopp and every single one has been pretty much on point.

Don't think klopp will ever sign more than 4 players.

The club don't seem to be cutting corners either on there top targets.

I think letting de ligt and wan bissaka go anywhere else when we are at the top of our game would be I'll advised.

De ligt and vvd for starters and then we ligt and Gomez. for what 12 years?

Wan bissaka is going to be the best rb in the league. Trent can take over Milner in the middle.

Fekir is a beast and rabiot is a great cm.

Always strengthen when you are the top.

7.) 01 Jan 2019 13:17:28

Migs, Moreno, Clyne, Milner, Lallana, Sturridge.


Butland, Bissaka, Coutinho.

Promote Lewis, H. Wilson and Brewster.

8.) 01 Jan 2019 13:25:32
There is talk of lloyd kelly left back from Bristol city, could b another Gomez lower division quality.

9.) 01 Jan 2019 14:01:07
Kelly looks like a left sided Gomez. Tall strong fast and a good tackler. Would Ward even come back do you think any of the Ed's? Surely being on the bench back at Liverpool is better than being on the bench at Leicester. I know he left because of the talk of Kasper leaving but that never came off. Or would you expect him to push for a move away from the King Power in search of a regular spot somewhere else?

{Ed001's Note - he is hoping to get regular first team football somewhere.}

10.) 01 Jan 2019 14:30:43
I know we probably have never considered him at any point. But a player I feel would fit well up too would be Jamie Vardey. Even though he’s pushing on in age his pace is still very good along with his finishing. He could play anywhere along the top and offer great cover for the front 3. Surely at his age he may not cost too much and would be far better off the bench than Solanke, Origi, Sturridge.
But I feel cover for full backs is our priority especially left back. Moreno can’t defend and the fact that Milner would often be the second choice left back says it all. We have plenty of cover at centre back and in the middle of the park. But let’s trust Klopp many of his signings have been underwhelming, yet turned out to be very good and very popular. Robertson, Ox, Shaqiri, Wijnaldum.

11.) 01 Jan 2019 18:12:55
I agree Ibiza red he would be brilliant for us, he has that pesky nuisance style that would be boss in our pressing style.

12.) 01 Jan 2019 21:17:35
My argument is that many people want us to buy players that could be £50 million plus and I don’t see that happening. Not that I see us going for Vardey or Leicester selling him to us but I think he would be relatively cheap, may be happier to sit on the bench than many players people want us to sign, he’s english, and I genuinely think he’s a good player and would work in our system.
I think our midfield is fine until the summer, and our defence unless we ship out Moreno then we could do with cover for Robertson.
But in general I don’t feel we need to do anything to this squad until the summer.

13.) 01 Jan 2019 23:58:48
Agree with some of the comments. I actually anticipate about 10 - 15 players leaving this summer (Migs, Clyne, Moreno, Lallana, Markovic, Kent, Ojo, Randall, Solanke, Sturridge, Pedro, etc. ) and am hoping some of the promising youngsters can fill these spots.

I'm unsure if Butland would want to come and sit on the bench at 25, thought Heaton seems possible but am unsure if we have any interest. I will be surprised if Nick Pope doesn't replace Joe Hart if they are still in the PL next year. He is way better than JH.

With the kind of football we play, I actually think we need 7 - 8 CMs to last the distance. Last season we had 6 senior CMs and towards the end, we were short on bodies and fitness.

While I'm all for youth, I think its quite a big risk to rely on Brewster and Duncan only as back-ups for striker / centre forward.

As Ed001 regularly laments, if the window is open for 3/ 4 of the seasons, I would have no issue letting the youngsters have a few months to try out. But if they bottle their chance or is shown to be not ready and we have to go 5-6 months with them, that's a very scary thought for any manager.

Keep the comments coming. Be glad to hear from various ones, even if our opinions differ.

14.) 02 Jan 2019 09:59:50
Personally think we don't need to mess around with squad harmony that much.

Get rid of mings leave Karius out on loan (recall option impcase of emergency) and let the young lads progress.

Full back.
Keep Clynn and start positional training for left back having him in the squad and rotating will be brilliant.

If no on leaves then we don't need to look we have 4 good CB's that most teams would be happy with.

No change unless there is a creative player out there available.

Look at Jaden Sancho not sure Dortmund will let him go cheap though.

If Sturridge and origi are off we should look at Bellotti strong lad has a good instinct for goal decent in the air personally feel he will be a brilliant signing.

We need to be realistic we all want Mbeppe and players of that caliber but do we need loads of big egos all coming in no.

15.) 02 Jan 2019 21:05:06
Ideally a better senior back up keeper, a 2nd LB to challenge Robbie, and a forward who can play up top or out wide, so we can rotate the front 3 with no loss of quality.

16.) 03 Jan 2019 02:21:32
Migs Will leave so we should get a back up keeper I suppose getting Butland will be viable and we were interested in him last summer.
If Clynes and Milner leave we could get Wan Bissaka and start playing A. Arnold more in Middlefield.
If Moreno leaves we can promote A. Lewis as back up for Robertson.
It seems Lallana is leaving so we need a player who can play forward and Middlefield so who can be better than Coutinho who is available.
H. Wilson deserve a chance to be part of the next season.
If Sturridge leaves we still have Origi, Solanke and Brewster but at least one should leave on loan.

Then the team will be like this (4-2-3-1):

Alisson/ Butland
Bissaka/ A. Arnold
Robertson/ A. Lewis
VanDijk/ Matip
Lovren/ Gomez
Henderson/ Fabinho
Keita/ Wijnaldum
Mane/ H. Wilson
Firmino/ Shaqiri
Coutinho/ Chamberlain
Salah/ Origi/ Solanke/ Brewster.

{Ed0333's Note - lots of unreal variables there mate




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17 Jun 2022 02:27:17
In spite of departures, I still think we have a v strong squad going into next season

Likely departures
- mane
- Minamino
- ox
- naby (pls)

Gk - excellent
Adrian (he's staying yea? )

Cb - excellent
And we still have Davis, phillips, Williams as cover if they don't get sold or go on loan

Rb - excellent
Calvin Ramsey (likely incoming)
Neco Williams (he may yet go on loan or sold)

Lb - excellent

Cdm - v good (because the cover can be better but who would come and sit in the bench and be stand in for Fab? )

Cm - v good (if the kids step it up, it'll be excellent)
- Thiago
- Carvalho
- Hendo
- Milner
- jones
- Elliot

Lw - v good
- Diaz
- jota

Rw - v good
- Salah
- cover from Jones, elliot, Carvalho

Cf - v good
- Darwin
- firmino

Personally, I hope Minamino stays and to get one more Versatile dm / cm

Otherwise, we're quite good isn't it.


1.) 17 Jun 2022 05:42:31
It’s funny you say “who would come and sit on the bench for DM” and then mention Jota and Diaz for the LW role (one would always remain on the bench) ???????.
The midfield is weak and it’s been on the decline for two years and you are simply pretending.

2.) 17 Jun 2022 05:56:49
"sell Keita so Jones can become regular starter"


3.) 17 Jun 2022 06:39:51
And yet Harry, that weak midfield came within a point of winning the PL, unlucky in a one sided CL final and won 2 other finals. I bet a lot of other teams wish they had our midfield which has been in decline for years.

4.) 17 Jun 2022 07:33:53
By your logic City shouldn’t sign anyone as they won the league last year @Irish ???. If there is one area city are streets above Liverpool it’s the midfield and the amount of goals and assist it get from there.
One point or ten points this midfield would always come second to Manchester city.

A lot of other teams wouldn’t include Manchester City who we are competing with. Who cares about the rest 17 teams lol.

{Ed001's Note - but Liverpool get more from attack and defence than City. Yoh really do obsess over nothing. }

5.) 17 Jun 2022 07:46:04
Seems unlikely that Keita is leaving right now.

Williams x2, Phillips and Davies will all leave though i think. Be it on loan or permanently, who could say.

6.) 17 Jun 2022 09:42:28
On this occasion I am kinda with Harry. We went into last season a defensive-minded midfielder short and paid for it in the first half of the season due to Thiago's lack of availability. I hope we don't repeat that.

PS I don't think Jude Bellingham is the answer to our current gap.
PPS I don't care what City do in the market. It's just about what we need.

7.) 17 Jun 2022 11:55:03
FlyPelicanFly, how did we pay for it, exactly? We were close to wining the fricking lot so I'm not having this whole hindsight nonsense all over again. Saying we didn't win the title or CL cos we did not make one signing in one area, is just ludicrous stuff and it is not even true. In 19/ 20, we only signed an 18 yr old Van Den Berg with a 16 yr old Elliott and Adrian off his couch (despite people moaning for big signings) and absolutely annihilated the league. So how did we win the title then? Come on, man.

Do we need one now? Of course BUT let's not start rewriting history here. We tried to sign Bissouma BUT it did not happen and YET we nearly won the lot, fact. Not So let's look forward and not backwards, IMO.

8.) 17 Jun 2022 12:15:32
The thing is OliRed, I felt from a very early stage that something was a bit off with this Liverpool team. I felt we were both simultaneously the best side in the world and yet also playing within ourselves. A sort of Schrodingers Reds if you will.

By the end of the season I feel that anxiety has been vindicated. Winning domestic cups is nice but all in all, if we aren’t winning the League or the Champions League with the best side in the world, then something has gone wrong.

You don’t get extra credit in the bank for taking the League and Champions League to the final game and then losing. Nobody remembers the 2002 Leverkusen side, do they?

3 cup finals played, 0 goals scored.

Failure to beat any of the other top four teams in the league.

5 games where points were dropped from winning positions, and extreme amounts of complacency displayed in almost every single one of the Champions League games, only without consequence until the final.

That is the key word i feel; complacency. We are good, but maybe not as good as some of the senior players feel we are. We exemplified it far too often last season. That is why i would have looked to bring in Nunez for Mane even if he didn’t want to leave.

We need fresh blood to keep this group on their toes. Whether it’s complacency or tiredness or both, Henderson and Fabinho had way more than their usual share of bad games last season. I don’t want us to surrender the big trophies again just because we didn’t get an extra body in midfield to help control the games. I strongly feel we made that mistake last season and I don’t want to see us make it again.

While he is being hyperbolic as per, for once, I actually agree with Harry.

9.) 17 Jun 2022 11:48:40
There he goes again, ED01. Harry speaking in hyperbole again to make it look like he knows what he is talking about whereas.

10.) 17 Jun 2022 13:21:27
Anonymous Woolback - great post. Especially the Schrodingers Reds analogy. I felt exactly the same. Regardless of the amazing results and almost unprecedented achievement of 4 pots, the balance just wasn't quite right.

11.) 17 Jun 2022 14:12:30
OliRed - I think I've explained it in my other posts.

We paid for it by losing points from leading positions in 5 games. This was, in my opinion, down to a combination of a lack of midfield control (no Thiago in all of them) and profligacy in front of goal.

Champions don't lose that many leads. Pretty simple really.

The 19/ 20 team only lost points from a leading position in two games - both after already sealing the title. It that season we would go whole games without conceding a single shot on target as that midfield suffocated the opposition.

12.) 17 Jun 2022 14:42:08
FlyPelicanFly, Many thanks for your response. The losing points (10 points while City lost 2) from winning positions is the VERY thing that cost us the league IMO, if anything and I am glad you have pointed this out cos I have been saying the very same thing since the season ended.

I also agree that it was due to a lack of control in midfield and poor finishing, as well so I'm happy we agree here. This is where we need to improve whether it be via better tactics to see out games, signings or better nous during games and not being too open late in games. Play smarter, not harder is the mantra here.

What I disagreed with you on, was that not signing one player in one position, cost us cos sorry, that's not a thing. With the way last season went, you cannot say that with all the games we won in a row while playing every 3 days for 5 months. That's all. All the other things you have posted, I fully agree on and I hope we do better here, like we did in 19/ 20. Cheers, man.

13.) 17 Jun 2022 14:48:47
AW, I can see your point and there is a theory I heard on a podcast where in the first part of the season, it felt like we were still trying to feel our way thru games getting used to playing with our CB's like VVD esp. again after the horror show of the season before. This may have led to us being a bit tentative at times like in the Brighton and Brentford games where we didn't seem to know whether to control the game or keep going and ended up not winning either, for example. We need to be more decisive going into the next season with a clear message on how to react during games better.

As for the whole, "nobody remembers who came second" or "not getting extra points for being second or making a CL final". Sorry, that's NOT even true to some extent. If it was that easy to make a CL final, why has PSG never done it? Why did Roman spend 1 bn pounds just to win one? RM went 10 yrs w/ o making a final? Why is Pep still useless in the CL if it was that easy? If it was that easy to compete with this City clocking 90 + points then why has NOBODY ever done it in the past 4 years? Ain't having it, bro.

Like Tiger Woods once said, "You always want to be in the conversation" which is wha.

14.) 17 Jun 2022 14:51:06
Sorry AW, pressed send too soon. Tiger Woods once said, " You always want to be in the conversation" and THAT is what Klopp has been doing since he got here. You win some, you lose some but you are ALWAYS in the conversation. That is what sports is and that is the mentality Klopp has instilled in this team. There is a reason he has won the lot with us. Peace and Love, mate.

15.) 17 Jun 2022 15:10:23
Weren’t PSG in the final like 2 years ago.

16.) 17 Jun 2022 15:44:19
JK23, That's actually true. I actually watched the game.

17.) 17 Jun 2022 16:06:53
Oli I had to double check myself. I thought they were but I wasn’t 100%.

18.) 17 Jun 2022 16:13:25
OliRed - I guess my point is that we went into the season a defensive minded midfielder short and it was no coincidence that the games whereby leads were lost, Thiago was not available. Yes you could also put some of it down to players learning a new system or the return of players (like Virg) from long injury lay-offs - but.

West Ham don't run straight through the midfield, Brentford don't get that late flurry and we likely hold onto at least one lead against one of Spurs, Chelsea or Brighton with the availability of an additional defensive minded mid.

Opinions eh?



24 May 2022 05:32:59
Just some thoughts on pitch invasion
It really must be dealt with now
Some will say it's only taunting it minor altercation, but let it brew and you could be seeing some serious damage real soon

I think some things being done now is fining the club? I think it's not enough. Yes the club is responsible for security but a small fine is a slap on the wrist.

Bans for the fans that caused mayhem? I think there's only that handful and if the person was caught on camera, they'll get away with it.

More importantly, we shouldn't just punish those that harassed players or did real harm, as the primary issue is pitch invasion. So I think we must hit where it hurts - outcome of football matches.

If it happens during a once off game or play of, the team that failed to control their fans will automatically lose the game 3-0. If it's a league game, the team will experience an automatic 10 point deduction, barred from winning the title or European appearances. It's a high price to pay such that both clubs and fans has an incentive to do right - the club to manage security and educate fans to behave, the fans to actually behave or their championship win / relegation survival / European qualification will b made null regardless of match outcomes.

Of course I'm not seeking retrospective actions for what happened this season (I'm not that pitiful to want us to win the league via a back door), rather, we really need to sort this out now before someone gets really hurt.

Would love to hear from the rest.


1.) 24 May 2022 07:09:54
Clubs have responsibilities but so does the individual. I would introduce fines, removal of season tickets and banning to people identified invading the pitch. it’s impossible to fine all in a mass invasion, but if they face the possibility of an arbitrary ban etc then it will act as a deterrent. If people choose to ignore then they run the risk of following the club they love.

Use mobile phone footage, social media and cctv to catch. It will soon stop. People have to be held accountable for their actions and will think twice.

2.) 24 May 2022 07:17:52
That can't be policed properly. Just say you dock points, what's stopping a few liverpool supporters going to man City running on the field and hitting one of their players. Or vica versa their supporters doing the same. You all remember the idiot who threw the bottle at the man City bus and we were up in arms over it, who did he support.

3.) 24 May 2022 07:38:57
No fans inside the ground for 2 games chosen by the FA be it a home game or away game and bring in the Police mob handed toward the end of the game in full riot gear works in Italy.

4.) 24 May 2022 08:15:24
There is already an issue of police shortages in this country, so we can't expect every game to have a riot squad on stand by. I don't belive point deductions will work either as like mentioned, will likely just encourage fans from other teams. The Individual punishment needs to be more severe, yes ban them, but also add hefty fines to the individual as well.

5.) 24 May 2022 09:10:13
An off duty police officer ran onto the pitch at City, didn't he?
You don't need to celebrate on the pitch or by breaking goalposts.
If you're 'celebrating' on the pitch, you're spoiling it for the others sat or stood where they should be and it isn't fair to the players.
It's selfish.

6.) 24 May 2022 09:24:18
The FA should introduce a zero tolerance policy and an instant 5 point deduction to teams who cannot control there fans from running onto the pitch - maybe the fans will think twice about doing it then.

7.) 24 May 2022 10:20:26
A two point deduction is enough. Starting last Sunday!

8.) 24 May 2022 10:34:32
I was also thinking about the bottom of the table and the consequences that would of caused, when Patrick Viera was assaulted.

If there was a zero tolerance and a 5 point deduction - then the consequences are literally in the hands of the fans, so you would like to think they may think twice about doing it.

9.) 24 May 2022 13:04:32
It will be hard to judge whose fans actually committed the offence no?
As @ Deisered above has mention.
By Jersey, by id? It wouldn't be 100%.

10.) 24 May 2022 15:32:37
When thinking of "pitch invasion", for some reason, my mind went immediately to the time Klopp ran over all the way to Alisson in that Everton game, LOL. He was lucky to escape sanction (or I'm not aware of what was said or done to him by the FA) .



22 May 2022 14:47:56
Has there been a season like this? Where there is all to play for
- the title
- final CL spot
- decide who's in Europa, who's in Europa conference
- final relegation spot
- golden boot
- golden glove

It's like everything that can be up for grabs is.
Let's enjoy the final 90mins and hope that the ribbons will be red today.


1.) 22 May 2022 18:16:01
Yes - season city won league with augero and 88 when Thomas won league for Arsrnak.



19 May 2022 12:50:07
Look at the difference in quality of commentary:

Minamino's goal ⚽️
Tyler: 🗣 'Oh, it's 1-1'
Drury: 🗣 'On a night of obligation, out of the shadows has stepped Takumi Minamino to score a big one for Klopp and the Kop'

Matip's goal ⚽️
Tyler: 🗣 'They're checking whether the ball went out from the corner. What a strange goal'
Drury: 🗣 'And Liverpool lead! Joel Matip has Liverpool where they need to be! '

The difference between Tyler and Drury during Southampton vs Liverpool is staggering.


1.) 19 May 2022 13:04:09
In point of view we get to see how disturbing it is to a united fan everytime we score lol.

2.) 19 May 2022 13:39:00
Martin Tyler sounds like he's about to fall asleep at every game and he's trying his best to get you to do so too. Absolutely dreadful that he's on the mic for every big game.

3.) 19 May 2022 13:49:46
The Minamino goal was a new level of dispassionate loathing from him. The same bloke lost his mind when we beat City in the league 4-3 a few years back (YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT! etc. ) . Although maybe cos it was we were stopping City from going unbeaten at the time.

Is he just gone too ould for it?

Watching Mark Goldbridge support Man City cos he hates us so much is funnier anyway.

4.) 19 May 2022 14:19:03
On the Tyler thing, I don't even think it's because he hates us (I know he does) but every dog has its day and he can make the most compelling game feel drab and boring. His enthusiasm seems to have all but disappeared and even his 'AND ITS LIVE' feels forced and insincere.

He needs replacing, if that is Peter Drury, then perfect but even an Ally McCoist with someone. either way we need new commentators on SkySports because Martin Tyler is a dementor to great games/ goals.

5.) 19 May 2022 15:06:26
To be honest I couldn't tell you who is commentating any of our games. Its not something I think about or listen to intently. For me its just noise in the background while I focus on the game.

6.) 19 May 2022 16:05:50
TIR the same mate. I don’t think I’ve ever stopped and listened to what someone is saying especially if we’ve just scored.

Agree though that Drury collaborates it brilliantly when listening back.

7.) 19 May 2022 16:53:40
JK23, you don't need to stop and listen. It is right there and the OP didn't even need to describe it as well as he did. The first time I knew about Tyler's conduct whenever LFC scored was a couple of years ago where he commentated on the Barcelona game at Anfield in the CL. For each goal we scored while Darren Fletcher was losing his mind on BT Sport, Tyler sounded like his heart had sunk or he just heard some tragic news, it was that underwhelming and blatant.

That is when I started noticing it and it is getting worse. Look at the pen shoot out on Sat. The guy (along with Stuart Robson) was literally willing Jota to miss before he scored. Also, when Mendy saved from Mane, his voice decibels went thru the roof. But when Alli saved from Mount, the guy sounded like he needed a nap. I don't know if he hates LFC BUT I can tell he really struggles describe the great moments whenever we have in a game.

8.) 19 May 2022 17:13:00
He's just miserable. Whether that misery is due to bias or not, I don't really care. He's just miserable and I'd rather turn the sound off.

9.) 19 May 2022 17:55:08
Oli when I said stop and listen. I meant stop celebrating to listen. As I’m normally bouncing around the house or pub screaming so my volume outweighs the commentary anyway.

10.) 19 May 2022 18:02:00
Did Tyler commentate on our semi versus Barcelona?

11.) 19 May 2022 18:50:06
No as that was on BT I think.

12.) 19 May 2022 19:13:55
I didn't think so, kimuraking.
I've seen the game a dozen times and I don't remember Tyler commentating.

13.) 19 May 2022 20:54:50
I’d rather listen to Alan Partridge commentate that Martin Tyler.

14.) 19 May 2022 22:42:06
Martin Tyler has been dreadful for years he’s boring and drones on. I hear him breathing down the mic far too often too.

15.) 20 May 2022 07:09:04
Based purely on comments on here I’ve listened carefully to his commentary over last few matches and I have to say I think it’s nonsense about him being anti Liverpool.

He’s balanced (more so when Carragher is co commentator than Neville to be fair) and says many positive things about Liverpool - however he is pretty dull.

The biggest shame for me is Jonathan Pearce. He was a legend when first started but he was told to tow the line when he got BBC matches and he’s just a shadow of his former self.

Best co commentator by miles is Andy Townsend and have been saying that for years. Macca is possibly the worst (though Hinchcliffe is close second) - just repeats everything the main commentator says and offers no insight at all.

16.) 20 May 2022 08:24:11
Guys, there is a clip on youtube where he is the commentator which is how I know. Check it out.

17.) 20 May 2022 08:34:20
1jj, Tyler is not balanced. A guy who was willing a player via his words, to miss a penalty is not balanced. He said on commentary that Jota could miss cos he wasn't part of the first five pen takers is ridiculous. You have your opinion and that's fine but he is not balanced at all. Peter Drury? Yeah, that's balanced commentary right there.

18.) 20 May 2022 12:10:28
this seems to be the new fad - criticizing the dulcet tones and intention of a football commentator lol

I seen him called out for other games, not just Liverpool. Maybe he is just a boring commentator!? haha.

19.) 20 May 2022 13:51:20
I think many missed the point of my post
I stated quality and wasn’t on a witch-hunt to find out who dislikes us
I do enjoy good commentary and Tyler puts me to sleep while Drury helps me to enjoy the moment
Unfortunately I watch on streams and can only get whoever has the most stable connection
And sadly often times I end up with Tyler who spoils my match experience that’s why I’m critical of him
Just craving for some good commentary that’s all.



16 May 2022 13:22:14
2 wins and let's see what happens
Strange as it sounds, I actually prefer this scenario than if City lost to WH
Reason being GD is now immaterial and we won't be tempted to do silly things like against CP in 2014 and eventually went on to drop previous points

The goal is now super simple - just go and win 2 games and see what happens
Doesn't matter is it's 1-0 or 10-0.


1.) 16 May 2022 14:04:21
Sgynwa, fully agree with everything you have said and that has been my mantra on this scenario. Will all your games and then, hope. That's all we got right now regarding the title.

2.) 16 May 2022 14:05:05
Funnily enough, I was just thinking the same sgynwa.

However, even better would have been if we'd been able to squeeze a winner in against Spurs!

3.) 16 May 2022 14:10:24
Was thinking the same thing. If it were a slugfest last game of season City would always win by more goals. Paradoxically we have more chance of City drawing than us winning by more goals last game of season.

That makes sense in my head!

4.) 16 May 2022 14:57:44
When it was like 10 left I knew we both wouldn’t win every game. Just who fuched up less. It’s not over til it’s over.

5.) 16 May 2022 16:49:09
Y'alls thinking in some higher dimension which I cannot fathom.

City with 1 fewer point would mean that we would have an outside chance of winning on goal difference irrespective of City.

Now we are wholly reliant on then dropping points.

6.) 16 May 2022 17:33:10
Actually see it the other way. Preferred it being in our hands with the goal difference no matter how impossible it appeared. Now we are reliant on City dropping points. Either way it was a big task to ask and proud of the boys for even making it a fight as we were 14 points behind not long ago.

7.) 16 May 2022 21:48:40
agreed. i think if City had lost to West Ham we'd still be wanting them to at least draw with Villa anyways. Thankfully West Ham got a result because Villa beating City on the last day really would feel impossible.

now there is light, and where there is light there is hope. And where there is hope in your heart . . .

8.) 16 May 2022 23:22:48
We needed Villa to get a result on the final day regardless. The goal difference is just too much to realistically claw back.
Let’s just win our games and see what happens. With Fernandinho at CB City have a glaring weakness that Watkins and Ings will be looking to exploit. Plus Pipco always loved a goal and performance against City as he gets space high up the pitch and has quality on the ball to use it.
It will be difficult for Villa to keep a determined City out at the other end but if they are within a goal going into the last 10 minutes City will get nervous.
There’s still a chance.




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07 Apr 2022 16:33:59
Whao. We now have 3 young players in that position - Jones, Elliot, Carvalho.

Seems like Ox will be gone.




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18 Mar 2022 04:20:18
I hope taki can stay
He is a good utility man for front 3 and midfield 2.




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17 Mar 2022 21:54:21
Whao. If we do get Bowen, we’ll have a super strong front 6 that can rotate a lot more and keep things fresh.

Would you say midfield will be our priority? As it stands, we are pretty strong and stocked in all other areas of the pitch but midfield may need some upgrades in there.


{Ed002's Note - The club will look to making changes but I doubt there will be significant changes. The forwards are getting older and something will need to be done before too long. I can see one or two midfield changes.}



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24 Aug 2021 23:08:36
I’m actually not so keen on him. He’s done very well since he left, winning many league titles and even the CL and I continue to wish him well.

But personally, I don’t see it as a good business as he is
- already 29 (and we have an ageing squad)
- actually feel that he slows down our play if he played in midfield (could be because he felt he was the best player then in LFC and hogged the ball more, but towards the end he became predictable in my opinion)
- may be back up to the front 3 but not sure that’s what he wants (and I personally wouldn’t drop Mane nor Salah for him)




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23 Aug 2021 14:04:57
Ed 002 I recall you mention at one time he was noted as one of top 5 youngsters in the world. What went wrong for him?


{Ed002's Note - He was really well liked but it has gone downhill as he has not settled anywhere and there have been off-field issues.}




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18 Jun 2022 07:53:09
And there we have it
The midfielder we all wanted but don’t deserve.




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09 Jun 2022 02:09:20
Lambert being an old boy
I just wish things had worked out for him
If we had solid starters then, and he was the backup and option to change things up as needed, he may have become a cult hero like Origi
But alas, he was made starter on the back of Suarez and the drop in quality and difference in play style was too evident.




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08 Jun 2022 12:02:32
I like Joe Gomez
But he might just be too injury prone
Each time he gets a good run, puts in performances then gets injured and is out for long
I feel for him.




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22 May 2022 18:09:15
We did our best
But if I’m feeling salty, the VAR decision for city Vs Everton May have made a difference.




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22 May 2022 14:45:17
Klopp is great but event he makes mistakes
So it’s fine to say he had a few bad signings
The plus was most of his big money spends and most players in general turned out fine
At one point, the norm was we got most wrong and the one that turned out fine was the exception than the rule
So I’ll gladly take what we have now.