Liverpool Discussion posts 4

12 Oct 2026 15:42:16
Interesting article on Sly Sports News, essentially saying Anderson is better than Wirtz, the irony is the picture they used clearly shows Anderson Fouling Wirtz. One hand on shoulder and grabbing his hands.

I am an optimist, and while he needs to improve, Wirtz will be a top player for many years to come if he stays or goes. Value will go up when AI has the team ticking again.

Ref was shocking TBF.

12 Oct 2026 16:27:10
I hope your right viaggression.

12 Oct 2026 18:16:08
"Wirtz will be a top player for many years to come if he stays or goes" I can't wrap my head around that statement, because currently he's not a top player, nowhere near it, did you mean to say something else?

12 Oct 2026 19:42:47
Meh, I got to be honest mate I love the optimism but I can't see it. He offers nothing almost every game I watch him in. I get the argument that he needs other players around him to do stuff but to build an entire team around one player is in my opinion not a good idea, and never is unless said player is a generational talent. Nothing Wirtz has shown since he came to us indicates he is at that level. At some point you just have to concede that this isn't going to work and to be honest I don't think we are far from that point.

Carra said he's a tidy player, sorry but I don't even see that currently. He doesn't seem capable of performing the simplest of passes and link up's, let alone the sort we brought him in for.
Personally if he doesn't improve drastically by X-Mas I'd drop him and play Ekitike in behind Isak when he's back from injury, or go back to a workhorse 3 in midfield like we had when we were really good.

12 Oct 2026 19:47:32
"Will be"
Not hard to understand the statement.

He is not doing great right now but will be.

I can try a different way if you want?

The guy is 23 years old. And only just i believe.

It is my opinion that he is a fantastic talent. Liverpool may not be able to unlock it before the fans and media have their way.

12 Oct 2026 19:57:49
Not sure i disagree with anything you said west.
He needs managing. If that means dropping him, bringing in bodgers hypno concinfidence people so be it.

We will have easier games than city, though no easy games any more to be fair.

12 Oct 2026 20:46:03
I am hopeful like you Via, I just can't see it happening.

13 Oct 2026 07:25:25
Anderson is a better player than Wirtz, currently.
We all want that to change.

12 Oct 2026 11:31:34
Can anyone think of a player who eventually came good after having had as long as Wirtz has had here looking a bit rubbish? Maybe Havertz?

12 Oct 2026 12:51:29
It's very rare, especially in attacking positions where players often hit their prime earlier. Many really successful attackers score on their debut at a young age and then just keep on rolling, they may have the odd fallow period but generally they just produce until their pace and sharpness decline. Wirtz is slow in comparison to many of our best attacking players so could mature later, but it looks like he just doesn't fit our needs.

Sometimes central defenders and keepers are slightly slower burners, but again if they don't show their best form within twelve months they're usually done at a club our size.

With the rest of our current crop the likes of Kerkez just remind me quality wise of a player like Bjornebye, whereas we were hoping for another Robbo. That's ok if you have better quality around them to help them lift their game but at the moment we have a team full of good but not great players. The issue is the likes of Brentford and Brighton can also afford good players and a good coach so we don't have any competitive advantage over several much smaller clubs, and as a result we're scrapping for top six.

12 Oct 2026 07:10:28
So Shaw's push on Bentancur receives the same punishment as Gravs no-touch tackle on Anderson.


Sounds about right.

11 Oct 2026 23:30:53
I see my stance last week is taking off now on socials. Why is this city team allowed to continue with an illegally attained squad. Every single club now is going to grow in anger at competing against these lot.

12 Oct 2026 09:11:13
Couldn't care tbh. I care how we do in our next game now. We put it up to them for an hour yesterday till the red card. We don't play them again for months. All about Brentford now for me. We have our own team to sort out. The title race is between City and Arsenal. We just need to get top 5.

12 Oct 2026 09:18:50
I would go one step further, this now needs to go to a Criminal Court of Law there are obviously backhanders that infer's that Income Tax Avoidance has been committed. It cannot be investigated by Coward Webb and his cohorts, similarly to how Suarez was given a fair PFA trial?

That's the reason for the long delay in charges, enough time to hide all the evidence from "BOTH" sides, both parties can dish the dirt out on each other.

An online petition needs to be raised ASAP, and signed by all football supporters so that it can be heard in Parliament, there is a can of worms here that needs opening, the PGMOL are in my opinion more guilty than the Cheats.

YNWA 97 and 20.

12 Oct 2026 18:21:16
Suspiciously timed meetings with the PM, commitments to invest 30 billion into the UK and plenty of backhanders might have something to do with it.

13 Oct 2026 07:28:04
Because it's not illegal, yet?

11 Oct 2026 22:57:12
Thought we'd hear this cranked out today:

"You've never won the league, you've never won the league, you pack of cheating persons, you pack of cheating persons, you pack of cheating persons. You've never won the league."

11 Oct 2026 18:46:53
This is about as bad as I've felt after a loss in a long time. That was never a red and we just aren't good enough.

11 Oct 2026 20:02:10
We were better than them prior to the red.

11 Oct 2026 20:30:59
Stone we had 5 first team players out injured, 3 of them being our 3 strikers.

If we'd had Szob, Ekitike, Isak, Bradley and Gakpo available all of a sudden the team is much stronger and we have strength on the bench.

Regardless of that the game was in the balance until a really poor ref got involved. It's crazy how Kavanagh was ever given that game he's got the weakest personality of any ref in the league. That needed a strong ref who can manage the game without dishing out needless yellow cards it was always going to be a hyped atmosphere.

Just one of those days, we move on.

12 Oct 2026 09:13:57
We were seriously weakened yesterday Stone. i liked the way we tried to play I've felt way worse after other defeats.

11 Oct 2026 19:14:25
It really is time to admit Wirtz is a bust.

11 Oct 2026 20:32:21
It will be hard for a few but they will get there eventually.

11 Oct 2026 22:22:09
Unfortunately it's not just Wirtz. Kerkez is appalling as is Frimpong, both now have played enough games to be judged.

11 Oct 2026 18:06:20
Wirtz and Barcola have been very poor, again. Doku comes on and shows how a winger should play. Direct, take your man on and create havoc in the defence.

11 Oct 2026 18:00:25
Wirtz really needs to be sold in January if not then definitely next summer. Simply just not good enough and even if got 60 million back I think we should take it.
His first touch is like a trampoline most of the time and doesn't score enough goals.
Get rid and try to strengthen the team elsewhere.

11 Oct 2026 18:42:17
Really really silly comment, sorry. Who in their right mind would sell a 100m player for 60m a season later, I don't care he hasn't lit up. the Premier League but we would recoup most, if not all his fee.

11 Oct 2026 19:01:14
How would you recoup all of his fee if he is not the player you bought in the first place? Lol.

11 Oct 2026 19:07:11
Who do you recoup most of if not all of his fee from Bazzinga? No one in the Premier League. And who of the handful of teams with the money outside England(Bayern, PSG, Real, Barca)would want him. Bayern maybe but they were only going to £88m when he was probably the golden boy of European football. Not a hope they offer above £60m now.

11 Oct 2026 20:13:05
Just because a player doesn't always world. put that you massively lose on their fee, and if you think that then that really raises questions if you lot actually watch football!
Many players in their times haven't worked, yet still sold for the same, and sometimes more based on their previous abilities.

11 Oct 2026 20:48:40
Only at Chelsea Bazzinga. Wirtz will not go for more than £60m. So the club either refuses to take that hit or they bite the bullet. Big 8 months for Wirtz ahead. Do you honestly expect to see him here after the summer if he keeps playing as he is?

11 Oct 2026 21:07:34
@Bazzinga tell me these players then?

11 Oct 2026 22:36:18
Reallifered, massive prime example, one of our old players: Mohammed Salah. Bought by Chelsea for 11m, classed as a flop, sold for 15m!

11 Oct 2026 23:18:41
??? That's your smoking gun Bazzinga?! Have a kit-kat mate will you.

12 Oct 2026 09:02:24
Wirtz "is" a 60 million player, he's not a £100 million player his PL figures and performances prove that, 17 PL games to score his first goal is absolutely embarrassing!

12 Oct 2026 10:11:08
doesn't score enough goals? That made me laugh to be honest ? what goals? What assists? He ran like 8km yesterday in 60 minutes (great workrate) and had 1 good pass in the 1st half otherwise Nothing. Sell him before he loses all value and bring in a RW instead.

12 Oct 2026 17:07:54
That was one example Chewy, I wasn't going to sit and list every single player.
Nice to see the support for one of our players. We had more people on here support Slot then half our players, even with him not being present for training/ coaching and generlaly wrecking the team.

These players are still learning and adapting to IA's wants and needs, especially in terms of fitness.