28 Mar 2023 22:48:47
So we had an amazing season last season and a disaster this season
Sell vvd sell salah be ruthless
Should've of kept mane

This season we will have played the least games in a season for 6 seasons I think our squads just exhausted mentally and physically some players will bounce back after a summer off next season I don't think everyone past it we need to be clever in this window refreshing the squad get few those 40m winger style transfers in and keep creating superstars.

1.) 28 Mar 2023
28 Mar 2023 23:05:09
Exhausted mentally and physically really! Just by playing football. 99% of footballers nowadays have no clue what a hard days work even looks like. They go to training in the best cars you can buy. kick a ball for a few hours, do run around then get a nice massage. Get paid more in one month than most people in a life time.
There’s people out there with two or more jobs just to put basic food on the table and still won’t have enough to pay all the bills. They have no choice but to keep going! Now that is mentally and physically exhausting. This isn’t really a dig at you Dezydekidd am just fed up of hearing the same excuses mate.

2.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 00:51:57
You seen Mane’s performances for Bayern?
VVD has had an ordinary season, can he regain his best? If so, there’s nobody better. If not, he’s very hard to replace.
Remember how he and Alison transformed us?
Salah I agree. I was disappointed he was signed onto a huge contract.

{Ed001's Note - why do people keep saying we should have kept Mane? He wanted to go and was forcing a move away.}

3.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 02:09:04
I hate it when we compare footballers to every day folk. I mean I get it, but let's be honest here. all of us would love to be a professional footballer but the vast majority of us didn't have the commitment, skill, attitude et al to make it. So let's not pretend that our ability to work hard in our average joe job is harder than working as a professional footballer.

4.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 05:53:46
“the vast majority of us didn't have the commitment, skill, attitude et al to make it. So let's not pretend that our ability to work hard in our average joe job is harder”

Are you a motivational speaker by any chance faith or an MP currently in power?

5.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 07:30:02
All that about pro footballers having it easy is a stupid argument anyway. Reminds me of my mum, she always use to say
"all he has to do is kick the ball ball in the net, I could do that! They shouldn't get paid if they don't score"

Nobody ever mentions the opposing pro footballers trying to stop them scoring! If you drop off in form them you aren't going to play to. the best of your ability are you? If you are even slightly more tired than your opposing player then. surely you're at a disadvantage already.

Or is this the whole woe is me my job is harder than anyone else's routine?

6.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 08:07:54
The argument should be footballers Vs footballers as they aren’t playing every day people. If one top level footballer is even 5% below their normal level then the other other top level footballer will be better.

So if they are tired Vs other footballers due to last year’s workload or motivation slightly dropped due to disappointment of being so close to the quad then other teams will be better than us this season.

7.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 08:32:41
Some of the fans are clearly as detached from reality as many of the players are.

8.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 08:57:11
Flash which is higher?

Your horse or your ivory tower?

9.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 09:27:14
Mané wanted out….

And as for comparing footballers to us “ regular folk “
Sometimes I work 15 hour days, often 6 or seven days a week.

Sorry, but these footballers are doing a job most would only dream of both in terms of salary and job satisfaction. Are they worried about their amethyst bills and mortgages going? Are they feck. They get the whole summer off and get off to exotic holidays.

Tired, mentally exhausted- try living in the real world.

{Ed025's Note - im with you drogie..

10.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 09:38:59
The argument is baseless. Everybody knows footballers get paid to much but to suggest that they can not suffer from mental stress and burnout is laughable. Elite people in any job suffer from the same things. Wether you work as a salesman, doctor, surgeon or footballer all can suffer from burnout. I keep coming back to this but no team has ever played a full amount of available games and been in the hunt for 4 trophies until the final kicks of those games. Let that sink in for a while. The amount of mental strain and physical endurance to get the close would have been enormous. I don’t excuse lazy behaviour but give the boys a bloody break. 6 seasons of being right at the top, they deserve our support and an off season once in a while. Apologies for the rant but I’m tired of armchair keyboard warriors taking the p@ss.

{Ed025's Note - yeah my heart bleeds for them.. :)

11.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 09:39:27
I love the duel argument.
“ Should sell older players winding down their contracts”
“ Never should have sold Mane”.

12.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 09:44:20
The narrative around Klopp rinsing his players more than any other manager is a little worrying, although last seasons ultimate failure alongside the huge number of games must have been crushing for the players.
If we could get 70m for Mo now, I'd take it, which sounds daft considering all he has done, but he looks spent, and this is a ruthless game.

13.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 10:36:23
Footballers are in the entertainment industry and its huge TV fees that largely pay their wages. I'm sure most of us could sing a bit but don'r moan that Ed Sheeran is paid more for his efforts.

14.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 10:43:17
Faith, Charliesgrumpydad -> Most of us are not professional footballers because we didn’t have the talent nor skillset at a young age that would ordinarily bestow a greater degree of patience in which we’d better accustom to the rigours of high-level football (we were told we weren’t good enough after a few training sessions and didn’t bother giving it another go) . Admittedly, most would not make it regardless. Fundamentally, elite footballers don’t know why they’re so good at football, hence why most elite players make poor managers. The idea they spent their youth going to bed at 7pm, up by 6am and eating boiled vegetables 3 times a day is ludicrous. The regularity of young players getting into mischief can attest to that.
Top level professional football can be compared to regular jobs, and by that I mean it is a much easier life, with everything you ever wanted (materially) given to you on demand - the opposite of most people. To excuse these players’ miserable performances as due to tiredness is unacceptable. Though I understand that players suffer from the same ailments as the general population, pretending that professional football is as hard as everyday life is for many is insincere and disingenuous.

15.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 10:49:56
Sell both? Really?

Look at Salahs numbers - 22 goals and 10 assists - pretty decent for somebody you want to bin no?

VVD - Been poor tbh by his lofty standards. Tbh I think he played far too much football on his return from injury. Should be rotated more, especially when going through poor form

Salah too plays every game, again it's rotation options we need - if VVD continues all next season in poor form then yesh maybe sell then, but rotate him and give him a chance

As for Mane, the guy wanted out - thank him and let it go.

16.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 11:39:08
Not sure why anyone is responding to the OP, personally. Sounds more like a whind up post trying to get a reaction cos he is all over the shop, IMO. I stopped reading as soon as he said "we should have kept Mane".

Seriously, Is he talking about the same Mane who has completely lost is mojo currently at Bayern? The same one many wanted gone during last season YET some of the same people changed their tune as soon as things got bad saying he should have been kept even tho, he wanted to go even before the 20/ 21 season already? That same Mane? Yeah, take a day off, OP. Must be a slow day at the office.

17.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 12:03:37
I think the fact that VVD is coming in for criticism from the Dutch press, as well as Gullit and Van Basten, for his lack of leadership as captain of Holland is particularly telling.

Yes, VVD playing at 90% of the old, pre-Pickford VVD, is still one of the best in the world but he is not playing at 90%. He is continually switched off, lacking in motivation and looking to blame others. He gets away with it for us, although some like the Plank (Steve Nicol) are highlighting his deficiencies.

However, he is under the spotlight in the Netherlands because he is captain of the national team. I personally do not think he is captain material. I also think he needs to raise his game and switch back on, attention wise. Being laid back is something he always had a tendency to do but now he needs to get his hands dirty and do his talking in the pitch.

18.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 12:33:58
“Seriously, Is he talking about the same Mane who has completely lost is mojo currently at Bayern? “

The same Mane who has 11 goals and 5 assists in less than 1800 minutes of football? And you think he has completely lost his mojo?
Personally after reading that I think you’ve lost the plot.

19.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 12:39:29
The thing I find about footballers salaries, is because they are always listed as a weekly wage, people often don't realise that other sports pay even more to elite players. If you broke down the top earners in F1, basketball, baseball etc, it is actually quite eye opening.
Secondly, what a lot of footballers earn is nothing in comparison to senior business executives when you take into account bonuses etc. Just look at some of the top earning CEO's, bankers, lawyers etc. I know some doctors who are earning ridiculous amounts of money as contractors etc.
Its all relative, if you exceed in your desired profession, you will do very well financially. I don't begrudge anyone who has worked hard to better themselves financially.

20.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 14:08:47
Selling Mane was the right decision. He looked like he was losing his pace and he wanted to go anyway.

Selling Virgil is not a pressing issue as he isn't agitating for a move, but also if we wanted a player like Gvardiol he would be the logical player to make way and i believe it's an upgrade. At least Virgil can stay fit though unlike our other options at centre back.

With Salah, i don't see a better right winger in world football. 22 goals and 10 assists already is crazy numbers. But if he decides he wants to leave I'd let him go and reinvest the money in a younger model. I'd be gutted but I also think we'd find a new way of playing to cope with the loss.

21.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 14:44:07
is this the same Mane that had to moved inside to actually be useful on the football pitch for last season? because every time he played out wide he looked dreadful, go and search on Bayern fan forums or anything like that they are not a happy bunch and thought he was going to be a superstar for them.

22.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 14:50:19
Is the OP the knee or the jerk?

23.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 15:22:19
Stuie top CEOs are responsible for often 100,000+ staff, all the rubbish that goes with running huge companies and hitting huge growth targets across the globe. Let alone the unbelievable pressure from shareholders if you don’t give them a return or your job is gone.

A footballer is responsible for keeping fit where possible and doing their best.

Not compatible one bit.

24.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 16:25:07
Pack away the jealousy lads. All you need to succeed as a premiership footballer is an enormous amount of talent and almost as much luck.

25.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 19:47:23
Health care workers or footballers - who do people think work harder or in more potentially life threatening situations? Rhetorical question, but in my opinion if anybody has pause to think, that would be a worry.

26.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 22:35:33
JK - not sure what you're getting at but my point remains. Let's not talk as if these guys just lucked into their roles by sitting around all day.

27.) 29 Mar 2023
29 Mar 2023 22:25:32
1jj, it is compatible in the fact that not al CEOs work under the same circumstances and was merely an example to highlight the fact that football players are a small minority of a group whom earn astronomical fees, though I also realise you neglect to reference the numerous other examples used. I have first hand experience working with people at that level and no, the vast majority are not responsible for 100,000 staff, sometimes barely 100,but still earn vast sums of money.
Secobdly, WDW, but not all Healthcare workers earn their money in life threatening situations as you out it. Again, this amplifies the fact that people have tunnel vision when it comes to professional footballers and likely unfairly tarnish them.

28.) 30 Mar 2023
30 Mar 2023 06:12:13
Faith of course your point remains and so does mine.

I can’t see where I’ve said “these guys just lucked into their roles by sitting around all day”

Anyways I’m off to my average Joe job.