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24 May 2024 15:01:45
Liverpool reportedly interested in Mainz player, Brajan Gruda. 19 year old German right winger. If we signed him it would indicate Salah might stay one more year as Grudas's unlikely to hit the ground running and replace Mo's goals overnight.

MK Scouser

1.) 24 May 2024 15:22:12
Everyone thinks we need a right winger to replace Salah of he leaves, but personally I think Diaz was better when he played on the right, he didn't need to cut inside everytime.

2.) 24 May 2024 18:05:05
Dominik Szoboszlai?

3.) 24 May 2024 18:51:58
Not massively in favour of sticking Szoboszlai on the wing, but, he’s played there before successfully at his previous clubs, he’s quick over a sprint and distance, he’s got a few tricks and can beat a defender, he’s physically strong and great passer and has an eye for goal. Definitely worth giving him a go as he could be the answer.

4.) 24 May 2024 21:57:42
I wonder where Dom fits in next season.

{Ed025's Note - Accrington?.. :)

5.) 25 May 2024 07:22:58
Who are they?

6.) 25 May 2024 07:58:36
Salah seems like he’ll be staying but if he does go who says that we will want to replace ‘like for like’? If we play a different style / formation we might require a different type of player for the right side.

7.) 25 May 2024 08:27:27
I see Mo has got his hair and beard tidied up alot, definitely off to Saudi. :)

8.) 25 May 2024 10:03:33
@Dhfc - exactly!

9.) 25 May 2024 10:09:02
Accrington Stanley, who are they?!

10.) 25 May 2024 11:33:28
VV my goodness, I thought you were describing Gerrard not Dom.

11.) 25 May 2024 19:45:39
I agree with Diaz on the RW - he played well there and got in behind and put in some dangerous balls into the box. Diaz is good down the left but not quite clinical enough to be cutting inside and shooting IMO, I prefer Nunez or Jota doing that if we’re going to play inverted wingers.

12.) 26 May 2024 08:03:45
‘No thanks’ to Gruda.

To play that position in the PL you either need elite speed or elite close control.

Salah had both so he was elite, but he’s lost his pace.
Gruda has neither.

Please scout better.

13.) 26 May 2024 17:58:54
polecat, That only means he's off to wetherspoons for a nice evening surely. Bet Mo's been seen wearing a Ben Sherman shirt too.



23 May 2024 10:50:45
Ed002 have you heard anything about Liverpool interest in Kokcu? Or is it just a lazy link because he used to play for Slot?

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - He has a €150M release clause.}

1.) 23 May 2024 12:07:31
I’d have thought we have enough players who can play number 10?

2.) 23 May 2024 13:53:48
Cheers Ed002. Reports saying we want him for €45m are probably inaccurate then!

VV, I don’t really know much about him to be honest. Just saw the links, googled him, and saw he used to play for Slot. If he’s a 10 it makes very little sense when we have Macca, Szobo, Elliott and Carvalho on the books.

{Ed002's Note - Is that what is called a cheeky bid?}

3.) 23 May 2024 17:44:44
I’m pretty sure he threw a strop at Benfics as the coach tried to play him as a defensive midfielder (which was admittedly stupid as he’s clearly not one of those) he was gobbing off massively about it apparently. Would seem a very odd signing to me.

4.) 23 May 2024 18:08:41
I think that’s more than cheeky Ed002 ? maybe “outrageous”!

5.) 24 May 2024 00:12:47
Don't ask don't get, that's what we say in Liverpool.

6.) 24 May 2024 09:02:19
My Nan used to say ‘stop asking silly questions’.



16 May 2024 12:15:52
Just passing on a handful of rumours doing the rounds today that seem to be quite realistic.

1) Crysencio Summerville (RW/ LW) . Ed002 has said he's not aware of any interest from Liverpool only a month ago but things change fast in football and Ben Jacobs is now suggesting he could become a top target if Diaz were to leave.

2) Dani Olmo (LW/ AM/ RW) . Nothing in the search function about him. A few reports today are saying that Slot has personally asked the club to sign him this summer. Good player who's done well on the RW this season. Worrying injury record though.

3) Teun Koopmeiners (CB/ DM/ CM/ AM) . Rumour is that Atalanta are hoping the interest of both Liverpool and Juventus will drive up his price. Knows Slot-ball already and has all the attributes to succeed in the Prem. Ed002 has confirmed we have interest.

MK Scouser

1.) 16 May 2024 12:54:11
"Worrying injury record though. "

Why do I think that won't put us off? ?.

2.) 16 May 2024 13:30:57
Koopmeiners reminds me of Granit Xhaka or Ruben Neves. Not convinced that is what we need but if we are going to continue this obsession with building up from deep, then maybe. Not a fan of the style or the player myself.

3.) 16 May 2024 14:04:26
It is very worrying as well Adam. Two knee injuries in 2 years and missed half of this season with a badly dislocated shoulder. I really like him as a player but surely we can’t be silly enough to add an injury prone player to an already fragile squad.

I really like him FPF. His aggression and physicality combined with such composure and technical quality makes him a nightmare for opposition. Good with both feet as well. I watched Atalanta the other week and they were 1-0 down so they subbed Koopmeiners on and he was more or less playing right wing at times. Ended scoring a 25 yard winner first time on his weaker foot. Some player and one of those rare complete footballers who could play anywhere and still be a pro at the top level.

4.) 16 May 2024 15:38:37
MK, I think that's the issue for me. He's not a specialist DM. He's more like Henderson than Fabinho, when it is a Fabinho we need.

5.) 16 May 2024 16:16:51
Olmo should be dodged at all costs, more than just slightly concerning injury issues, he’s missed 19 games in 21/ 22, 20 games in 22/ 23 and so far he’s missed 28 games through injury. there's no sensible reason to consider a crock like that. That pattern of injuries is only going one way. Definitely not worth the risk. Although even without the injuries he is distinctly mediocre.

As for Summerville, Ben Jacob’s knows nothing about Liverpool. Only contacts he had are at Chelsea. If it hasn’t come from Ornstein or Joyce, you can probably disregard it.

6.) 16 May 2024 16:58:38
Joyce has also been distanced from the club.

7.) 16 May 2024 17:45:23
Still gets things unerringly right though, Drogie.

8.) 16 May 2024 18:42:28
A fit Baj changes everything.

9.) 16 May 2024 18:50:58
Thanks for passing on latest MK. Ed002 any ideas about Summervile? Seems a risk and can’t see need for more LW!

{Ed002's Note - Crysencio Summerville (RW/LW) Leeds have no interest in selling but his agent is looking for a step up and speaking with clubs about him - he has certainly approached Chelsea and Spurs and I suspect others. Bayer Leverkusen have spoken directly with Leeds. Agent is close to Aston Villa and the City Football Group. Any move will likely depend on promotion being gained or not. Leeds will look for a new contract. I am not aware of Liverpool making any approach yet but I understand slot is a fan of the youngster. If he were to replace Salah, there has to be an element of risk.}

10.) 16 May 2024 22:19:24
Leverkusken would be a good move for him. Can’t say he’d be ready for a Liverpool or Chelsea and definitely not as a Salah replacement! Thank you Ed002 hope you and yours are well mate.



25 Apr 2024 12:25:15
Ed002, do you think we might finally follow up interest in Teun Koopmeiners this summer? I believe we've been scouting him for a few seasons now and correct me if I'm wrong, but he's worked with Arne Slot previously at AZ.

When I look at our midfield options now we're missing one thing that Arsenal and City have, and that is a physically dominant but mobile player. They have Rice and Rodri who can both glide around the pitch and thrive in a physical battle. When we played Atalanta, Koopmeiners absolutely bullied us all over the park. He was quicker, stronger and more imposing than anything we have in midfield.

He'd be an excellent signing in my opinion, so just wondering if our interest has moved on or not.

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - Teun Koopmeiners (DM/CM) Atalanta are reluctant to sell but his agent wants the player to be playing regularly in the Champions League with Newcastle, Juventus and Napoli having declared interest. Interest of Milan shifted to Tijjani Reijnders so they can be discounted. Approaches were been made to Arsenal, Manchester United, Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea although none have spoken with Atalanta and all have other targets for now but cannot be discounted with Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester United having sent scouts. And Arne Slot, if he becomes Liverpool coach, knows the player well. Brighton and Aston Villa interest has gone. Juventus has a creative solution and, like Napoli, will push for a summer move. Player has made it clear he wants a Juventus move. Marseille have walked away due to the quoted cost although a change of ownership could see a huge shift for them. Atalanta are seeking €60M if pressed to sell.}

1.) 25 Apr 2024 13:46:21
It is evident we need a midfield anchor/ defensive midfielder, that ain’t Koopmeiners.

2.) 25 Apr 2024 16:01:40
Cheers Ed002, detailed as always!

Viktor, do we need an anchor? Endo has been very good and Bajcetic deserves a chance in pre-season before we commit to spending big on a more long term DM. Rice doesn't play as an anchor for Arsenal, Jorginho does, but that doesn't stop Rice adding physicality to their team. We lack that physicality in our midfield. I personally wanted us to sign Rabiot or Milinkovic-Savic last summer because I thought it was obvious we lacked a player of that ilk in a more box to box role. Koopmeiners can bring that to a team, but if not for us we need someone else of a similar profile in my opinion. He just makes the most sense having worked with Slot before and already being of interest ot the current recruitment team.

Szoboszlai in midfield just hasn't worked so we probably need to push him further forward as an option in the front 3 where he plays for Hungary and where he played for Leipzig. That (and Thiago going) leaves a big hole in the midfield roster so we should sign a player who can offer us something we lack which, in my opinion, is an indomitable presence in the midfield.

3.) 25 Apr 2024 16:16:56
Endo is not the answer if we want to push for a league title.
He's good at what he does, break the game up and play a pass. Very safe. He reminds me of Lucus Leiva. Lovely lad, good player but not to the level to compete for the title.
We may have it at the club already with Bajectic or Trent but if not, we need someone at the level Fabinho was at in his peak.

4.) 25 Apr 2024 16:40:07
Guimares at Newcastle has a release clause. Edwards liked him previously.

{Ed002's Note - Edwards does not pick the players.}

5.) 25 Apr 2024 18:10:11
I don’t see Trent being a DM.

6.) 25 Apr 2024 19:00:14
We were never going to win the league without a proper no 6.

7.) 25 Apr 2024 19:01:41
Koopmeiners, Rabiot or Milinkovic-Savic - good grief.

8.) 25 Apr 2024 21:00:26
Well we are not losing the league because we lack another defensive midfielder. We are losing it because we had injuries on key players also our forwards losed form and had bad luck with their finishing.

9.) 25 Apr 2024 20:05:16
I’d have thought it was pretty clear that we needed a defensive midfielder from our extremely soft centre that teams can run through at will, MK. As has been demonstrated so well by United, Palace, Atalanta and Everton recently.

And yes he might be physical, but he has the pace and turning circle of the QE2, which doesn’t suggest a player made for the premier league. If we sign him we’d still have a gaping hole in the middle for teams to run at our defenders. The last few weeks have shown that there is a need for a top quality defensive midfielder.

You won’t find a title winning team that doesn’t have a very good or brilliant midfield anchor, until we bought Fabinho we won nothing, we were also rans.

As for Rabiot or Savic, jeez. That’s the bottom of the barrel right there.,

10.) 25 Apr 2024 20:33:50
I think szobo is better further forward, but where? Is he a long term right winger, I’m not so sure. For me it’s time to put Trent in midfield, especially with Bradley coming through - he deserves more minutes than just when Trent is rested/ injured. I don’t see Trent as the six though, I think he needs to be free. So I would say we for sure need a 6, Endo can adopt a Milner type role and rotation, but no top team operated without a natural holding player.

11.) 25 Apr 2024 22:15:32
I agree we are a soft touch. We definitely need to strengthen the midfield and my god the set pieces v Everton were disgraceful. It was like watching under 9,s v under 16’s. Cowardly.

12.) 26 Apr 2024 04:12:02
Many may disagree with me but I see Trent as more of a deep-lying playmaker. He needs someone more defensive minded next to him though. Someone like Endo or Bajcetic is ideal but Mac in a double pivot works as well. I can see him launching balls from deep, similar to what Xabi used to do for us.

13.) 26 Apr 2024 08:32:55
Am I missing something here? Endo has been fantastic this season - as good as anyone in the league. It’s not the player that is the issue. I don't think it is a coincidence that he’s not been in the team for half of this poor run. Tactically we’ve got it all wrong the last few games. The players who won at Fulham must be fuming to be left out for those that came in.

Our issue is lack of intensity and desire to slow everything down at a time in the season when it all needs ramping up. Not Endo.

14.) 26 Apr 2024 09:04:47
@Drac - agree mate, If Arne comes in and adopts the 4 - 2 - 3 -1, I think TAA could quite easily be 1 of the 2 playing in front of the defence. Playing a bit deeper would suit his long range passing game and he’s not as inept a defender as sone on here would have us believe.

15.) 26 Apr 2024 11:43:20
Most of the trouble against Everton was that we kept giving needless freekicks away which we were unable to defend. Every Freekick and corner they took went to the far post and Once it went past the blocked Virgil they had free headers. Its happened more than once this year. Defensively we are naive.

16.) 26 Apr 2024 11:58:18
Endo, like Lucas, do their job very well.
Unless I've totally missed Endo shanking open shots on goal, then my thinking is he isn't really the problem.

17.) 26 Apr 2024 13:10:39
Agree with everyone above who defended Endo. Really don't see him as the problem, and someone nailed it that our recent poor run has coincided with him being dropped to bring Szobo and Jones back into the midfield. With Bajcetic as back up and Macca able to cover, I don't see a DM player as a priority. Endo and Macca are probably the only senior midfielders we have who actually provide any kind of genuine tenacity so they're not the 2 I'd be looking to replace. We just need a player in there with them who is more mobile and more of a physical presence.

Also, calling Koopmeiners slow is a strange comment given how well he moves around the pitch. He's far from slow. We simply need more physicality for me. We need a Declan Rice type player. I don't really care if that is Koopmeiners but to me he makes sense given his history with Slot. I'd be just as happy with Anguissa, Reijnders, Locatelli etc. No idea if we are interested in any of them though.

18.) 26 Apr 2024 16:20:14
Spot on, MKS and QV. It is now Endo's turn to get raked over the coals by the same people who prolly thought he would amount to nothing when he came in.

19.) 26 Apr 2024 18:02:50
Jones was phenomenal, and central to the good form and durability, earlier in the season.
Everyone hitting poor form at the same time has, perhaps due to over extending, as always seems to be the case when we go for the quad. I prefered it when we sacrificed the worthless mug and FA cup.



18 Jul 2023 11:55:31
According to his agent, Liverpool have held talks this summer regarding the signing signing Pape Diop. 19 year old Senegalese CM/ DM who plays for Zulte Waregem in the Belgian 2nd division.

No idea who he is, how good he is, or how true this is. But it is what his agent has claimed so thought I'd share the rumour!

MK Scouser

1.) 18 Jul 2023 12:00:26
I wonder if we have secretly entered a world of AI without anyone noticing, because some of these names are definitely football manager regens. I'm sure there are about 20 Pape Diops, Fofanas and Sergio Gomez's floating round.

2.) 18 Jul 2023 12:02:07
Don’t mind this sort of thing. It’s what Brighton do so well.

3.) 19 Jul 2023 08:20:52
I say the same thing all the time Thomas, you forgot the Mendy’s and Diallo’s!
Life feels more and more like a video game with each passing day.




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22 Jun 2024 09:00:33
Obviously no idea how true it is, but some reports flying about that after lengthy discussion about the plans for the team, Slot and Hughes have decided a CB is not a priority unless they can get a talent too good to turn down, such as Yoro. Allegedly, Slot is happy with the 4 we have. Those 4 being Virgil, Quansah, Konate and Gomez. I feel a bit nervous about the prospect of only having those 4 but I suppose that's pretty much all we had for 80% of last season after Matip broke down.

Again, no idea how true this is. I do genuinely believe a lot of our defensive issues were tactical though. Slot comes with a reputation for being a very good coach. Klopp by his own admission left a huge portion of the tactics and coaching to others (Buvac and Lijnders) . So whilst Slot may struggle to replace Jurgen's man management and motivational skills, I don't think it'll be as hard to improve on Lijnders tactical set up, which hasn't looked quite right for a while now. Not sure Lijnders is as bad as some made out, mind you. We still won trophies with his tactics and had a couple of title challenges. But if Slot is as good as they say, we'll hopefully see more structure to our defence which should leave the defenders less exposed. I'm certainly happy with Virgil and Quansah as the starting pair. Just not sure on Konate's fitness or Gomez as a CB. In Slot we trust though!

On a similar side note, I also hope to see better patterns of play to our offence. I personally feel as though we lost our attacking identity when Trent started inverting into midfield, especially when Gomez/ Tsimikas covered at LB and Nunez/ Gakpo came in up top. Our identity was always Trent and Robbo overlapping to create from wide areas and Bobby in the false 9 dragging defenders around to open up gaps. In the last 2 seasons I couldn't really put my finger on what we were trying to do and we didn't seem to be executing it correctly whatever it was. It was like a bit of a mash up of German heavy metal, English counter attack, Dutch total football and Spanish tiki taka. In some games it made us unpredictable and we'd run riot, but in others it made us look unsure and confused. What I really want from Slot is a clear style that the players buy in to. Of course, It doesn't have to be the same as it was (with wing backs and a false 9). I just want us to have that same level of identity where if you think of Liverpool everyone knows how they play because they have a clear identity.

MK Scouser

1.) 22 Jun 2024 09:35:49
It’s not true for various reasons. Slot hasn’t had a chance to see anyone yet plus it’s a known secret that the club cannot rely on 4 injury prone players for an entire campaign.

2.) 22 Jun 2024 09:47:25
Would ideally like a left sided CB to learn from Virgil for the next year or 3.

3.) 22 Jun 2024 09:57:05
Are VVD and Quansah injury prone. VVD has had one serious injury in his time with us. That's all I remember. I can't remember Quansah being regularly unavailable.
Konate, maybe. 51 league games in three seasons is not great but is that because Matip and Quansah were often preferred to him.
Gomez, again I'm not sure he can be called injury prone. He's not a starting centre back or full back and that is why he hasn't played, for me.
I'd like another centre half because of Quansah's age and because I'm not convinced by Konate.
To say all four are injury prone is not right, imo.

4.) 22 Jun 2024 09:59:06
Out of the four that MK mentioned, the only one that is injury prone is Konate. The others were generally fit for the entirety of last season.

5.) 22 Jun 2024 11:15:35
MK Scouser, don't listen or read into such rumours or second to third hand stuff cos I don't. Watch what the club actually does. That is the only way you will know what is actually happening. That's what I do and I know you are just bringing this up for discussion purposes so I get it.

Remember when last summer when some rando journo on the X machine saying we had NO money for midfield transfers when the Szoloslai rumours where heating up? What happened the very next day? We triggered his release clause and BOOM, the deal was done, as reported from the reliable Paul Joyce. See what I mean? Peace, my guy.

6.) 22 Jun 2024 11:20:44
I think there is a perception of Gomez being injury prone as he’s had four very serious long term injuries in his career, but over the last three seasons he has been ok. The only question mark for me is on his defensive ability as he has a mistake in him and isn’t particularly great in the air. Konate is injury prone. That is pretty clear. Personally don’t see the point in pursuing Yoro, by all accounts he’s made it clear that he only wants Madrid and is happy to wait for that. Another Bellingham/ Tchoumeni only destined to end in him not joining us. We should look at a left sided defender like Inacio who is attainable and would allow us to rest Van Dijk as he’s not getting any younger.

7.) 22 Jun 2024 12:11:15
VV, fully agree with you. The whole injury prone tag is thrown about too loosely, IMO. Gomez is NOT injury prone judging by his injury record and like you said over the past 2/ 3 seasons he has been fully fit so ain't buying that.

The likes of Konate, Sturridge, Matip and Keita? Now those are/ were injury prone cos they had this uncanny habit of picking up knocks here and there hence, could not be relied upon to play say, 3 games a week consistently in one week.

8.) 22 Jun 2024 13:09:35
Konate missed 5 games this season in the PL due to injury and Gomez has missed 2 ?‍♂️.

9.) 22 Jun 2024 13:51:33
"Human being has a mistake in him - get rid".

10.) 22 Jun 2024 13:58:09
Don't listen to second or third hand stuff, listen to Oli. Oli listens to Paul Joyce.
I don't think Oli or Paul Joyce are Scousers though.

11.) 22 Jun 2024 16:01:00
@Flash, come on man, get with the plan, you have to be 10% better than absolute perfection before we even start to consider a player for a spot on the bench. Anything less and the player is just dross, to be honest.

12.) 22 Jun 2024 18:45:37
I find it interesting there are reports of private conversations when there is barely any club activity. Are Slot and Hughes slipping into the DMs of journos?

13.) 22 Jun 2024 20:34:01
Rigsby, Joyce is connected to the club hence, he hands out FIRST hand information. And you are right, I'm not a scouser nor am I English or even European to begin with.

14.) 22 Jun 2024 20:45:23
Oil, I’m not taking it as gospel mate. Just posting a rumour on a rumour site ?.

15.) 22 Jun 2024 21:14:57
Oli, Paul Joyce is a journalist.
And you giving us information from him renders it second hand, doesn't it?



21 Jun 2024 09:00:41
Media agenda is in full flow already though this morning. Someone had to replace Henderson as the England scapegoat I guess, so who better than another Liverpool player!

Please Trent, just walk away like Scholes did. You deserve better than being played out of position, with no preparation in qualifying, in a broken system, by an incompetent fool.

MK Scouser

1.) 21 Jun 2024 09:44:28
The football game with 11 men on a pitch always has to be Trents fault doesn't it? Manager needs to take responsibility as these are the same tactics we have seen for years.

Every player was terrible but I don't understand how others get a pass. Foden, like Trent, is playing in a position he does not play, yet seems to be immune from criticism even though he has been awful.

Rice was uninspiring, defence was terrible and don't even get me started on Kieran Trippier who shouldn't be in the squad, let alone starting at left back!

2.) 21 Jun 2024 10:06:43
The scapegoat should be the manager. He’s been an embarrassment for ages now. The team set up and tactics are absolutely woeful.
Don’t mind Trent getting the stick though, he will have something to prove in the coming season and Southgate might get the unite job if nobody realises how inept he is.

3.) 21 Jun 2024 10:11:06
Southgate might be a fool but you are missing the actual point that he is no center mid. And honestly he is no better than Walker to play as a right bank which makes it clear he has no place there.

{Ed001's Note - give it a rest. You are the only one missing the actual point.}

4.) 21 Jun 2024 10:11:40
Only from what I've seen but it appears that the fans have turned on Southgate over Trent.

Southgate is like a politician and is a media man but i can't see him surviving post Euros so Trent would be silly to sacrifice his international career over media clickbait.

New manager to come in and hopefully play him in a position that he has proven he can be world class time after time.

5.) 21 Jun 2024 10:42:00
Yep it's Trent's fault Southgate is clueless and didn't play any runners last night. The media are so far up Southgates backside because he's a yes man.

6.) 21 Jun 2024 10:47:16
Many (myself included and I stand by it) had said that Southgate had essentially washed his hands off Trent set up Trent to fail the day in 2021, he criticised him overtly for his then poor play in the 20/ 21 season and hung him out to dry. It has been open-season on Trent since that day 3 years ago. This is something he had and has NEVER done to any other England player since then.

Since then, nothing has changed. If England play well and win with Trent playing well, you hear nothing. When they play badly and win, lose or draw, Trent is more than likely to be singled out. The fact is that regardless of whatever and wherever Trent does/ plays for England under The Waist Coat, it will NEVER be enuff for the media who have had it out for him from 3 years ago and use him to protect the blatant incompetent coward Southgate is who IMO, literally is hiding and let's Trent get near all the blame. Cowardice and incompetence at it's finest.

7.) 21 Jun 2024 10:50:20
Southgate doesn’t know what he’s doing. He never has. There was some cobblers on here a while back about Southgate being our best hope (or some such nonsense) in the last 50 years. The man has never won anything as a manager. His whole attitude is not to lose. TAA is going to get hung out to dry by the press no matter what now. God help him if he is still being thought of as ‘out replacement for Phillips’ - which in itself is an incredible statement by the manager - and we lose a big game like the semi or final, itself.

@MK, as an aside, I think Maguire has (rightly so) been the scapegoat-in-chief for the hopefully soon to end Southgate era.

8.) 21 Jun 2024 10:55:56
I agree mk there is a reason Ben white englands best defender this season refuses to play for the clown, plays Bowen and Eze when Cole palmer has the highest ga in the league last season and Saka looks tired so he should be before him. Defensive line deep no movement he should be sacked now.

9.) 21 Jun 2024 11:00:33
Jaguar, I don't know what game you watched but Trent was the only midfielder last night to win any tackles, create any chances or win any headers. Rice put on the worst performance in an England shirt since Heskey retired; it was so bad I even started to wonder if he always felt Irish and this whole thing was just a master plan to take England down from the inside. Bellingham was also useless losing every duel he contested, and having absolutely no effect on the game. Gallagher came on and did his best Lee Cattermole impression as well. Trent was decent, nothing more. But that was comfortably enough for him to stand out as the only midfielder working hard to win the ball back and trying to make things happen. Southgate has set the whole team up to fail ultimately and the buck stops with him.

JK23, my worry for Trent is that Southgate's comments a few years ago fuelled a media agenda and the general population have all jumped on the bandwagon like sad little sheep who can't make their own assessments. What he's doing now, essentially making Trent the scapegoat for his own inability to set up a team correctly is only going to make that worse. So even if a new manager comes in and wants Trent in the team, he's never going to respected or appreciated by England fans and pundits. Even some Liverpool fans have been brainwashed. In the game last night Bellingham lost the ball trying to shield it out, Rice then completely missed the cutback, and Trent spared their blushes by reading the situation and getting goal side of the attacker (who Rice had allowed to turn 5 yards out) to nip it off his toes. Commentators said nothing. Few into the second half Trent fizzed a pass in to Rice who took an embarrassingly heavy touch and the commentator said "ooohhh Trent". He literally get's blamed for other peoples mistakes now.

England don't deserve him and I'm starting to think Liverpool don't either. I swear, If Roberto Carlos or Dani Alves had played in this country the media would've hounded them over what they lacked instead of just appreciating how good they were.

10.) 21 Jun 2024 11:22:55
Shhhhhh Southgate is a footballing genius, and should be the next Man Utd manager after Ten Hag's inevitable sacking.

There's nothing new here. Gareth Southgate has been boring us with his approach for a decade now.

11.) 21 Jun 2024 11:26:42
Nobody has turned on TAA. His talent and ability are unquestioned. But facts are facts and he has played poorly, with the main reason being that Southgate has not done enough to ensure TAA knows what he's supposed to be doing. It's clearly apparent on the field. Why is it that when TAA is in the midfield for LFC his play is still miles better than for the English team? Granted there is no unanimous opinion on his being in the midfield in the first place, but what is clearly unanimous now is that Southgate has demonstrated he is completely out of his depth. I'd send him back home tomorrow, put an assistant in charge, and tell the players "boys, do what you do for your clubs and go out and win our remaining games for us". I bet you there'd be a marked difference. (I know it's not as simple as that, but my point is that Southgate is a drag on the whole team, and the players would be better off without him) .

12.) 21 Jun 2024 11:42:35
Did it improve when he went off?

13.) 21 Jun 2024 11:59:19
For me (only my opinion) Trent is better suited to right back because he has a great range of passing and the whole game is in front of him.

Against Serbia more of his passes were backwards than forwards because you can't pass it forwards if the majority of your options are beside or behind you.

Similar to the NFL and a quarter back. Imagine sticking them ahead of the rest of the team and asking them to pass forward.

14.) 21 Jun 2024 12:39:28
for all of the credit walker gets for being a great "defensive" fullback. the best of his defensive plays that I see is when he's using his pace to chase back and get a tackle or a block in. and then when he has to actually defend he's gets cooked 1:1 as much as any other fullback does or he's woefully out of position his pace can't help him recover.

15.) 21 Jun 2024 12:52:02
To be fair JK he hardly got on the ball to pass it any direction, never mind forward. Denmark never gave him any space to receive the ball. A lot of the time Trent ended up standing on so close to another team mate.

16.) 21 Jun 2024 14:09:47
This morning I've read asky Sports, Talksports, BBC sport, ITV and ESPN and I'm not seeing all the hate to Trent that you are all shouting about? Rice, Fiden and Kane are the three names consistently mentioned for very poor performances. Even Keane says it hasn't worked out as it's a really tough position to play if you're not used to it, hardly scathing attack? I suppose it's where you get your news from, maybe the tabloid are different but then we all know they are trash so I don't read them.

17.) 21 Jun 2024 14:10:03
When you’ve got so many players who want to get on the ball standing close together and nobody pulling defenders out of their shape off the ball or making runs in behind, then you have nothing but disaster, Kane is England’s best number 9 but only if a team is built around the way he plays, he drops deep to receive the ball and connect the play with the other forwards, if you have other ball dominant players who want to get the ball in those spaces and look to create it just doesn’t work.

Just bloody use Watkins instead and you’d have much better results, if you have nobody running in behind then of course Trent will be ineffective, when there were people to pick out getting into the box yesterday Trent did find them, so I’m pretty sure he was doing his job correctly?

Is there some kind of official England policy that dictates that the most talented footballers with the ball at their feet need to start together, rather than a unit that moves and runs for each other, like turkey for example (who also have excellent ballers but actually have coordinated and systematic movements off the ball, creating confusion for the opposition)? Surely anybody with a modicum of football sense should know that the best team is the one that works the best together, rather than the best ball dominant talents, given that there is only one football and there is a whole lot of defending to do when you don’t have it?

18.) 21 Jun 2024 14:57:02
Pelican, absolutely. The best, and most successful, England manager in the last 50 years.

If you embrace mediocrity, you're certainly welcome to it.

19.) 21 Jun 2024 15:22:15
McGovern you listen to Talk sport that's enough for me to consider your comments null and void.

20.) 21 Jun 2024 15:26:21
I mean England were awful - took far too much time on the ball, multiple touches and nobody moving looking for a pass - the entire team set up was just so passive.

No pressing, forward runs etc, too many players all just standing around and passing 5 yards here and there - they were criticising Kane for not having enough touches in the opposition box and I was like, seriously, nobody is near the box, their defence could be sitting in deck chairs - what is he supposed to do?

No running from Foden or Saka to support him at all.

The entire left side is unbalanced with Trippier looking lost at lb and Foden is awful on the left wing

Gomez would be better at lb, he did a job covering Robbo and did he not bring left wingers? Does Gordon and Eze not play lw?

I mean, Foden usually plays centre or on the right does he not? Better further forward than the middle where some pundits wanted him, Palmer I think a bit more central?

You'd think Eze and Gordon would contest the lw and Bellingham, Palmer the no 10 and Foden, Saka the rw?

Trent getting abuse, but who is he going to pass to? Nobody making any runs and the lw may as well just not be an option for all Foden did - and that's not a dig at Foden either, the kid is quality but just completely wasted out on the left wing.

Terrible match, great Denmark goal mind and as an Irish man the result doesn't annoy me too much lol lads but jeez that team could be so much better.

21.) 21 Jun 2024 16:15:03
Endo, so its lucky you are not an Ed or you wouldn't allow any other comments unless they agreed with yours! I think you are missing the point of the site, it's to allow comments and points of view from all and then maybe posters to have a modicum of respect for others comments/ opinions?

22.) 21 Jun 2024 16:18:55
Also forget Trent for a minute all modern top teams compresss the pitch by having defenders on the half way line and England sit on edge of box with a massive gap between them and attackers leaving midfield exposed. That man Southgate is a idiots.

23.) 21 Jun 2024 16:38:07
I’ve never liked Southgate but results at major tournaments have kept him in a job. The FA need to act as yesterday was appalling. Clueless, hopeless, embarrassing are three words that spring to mind. He clearly has no idea how to coach if we can’t organise a pressing system.

24.) 21 Jun 2024 17:48:54
Agree with much of the above. Southgate is an awful coach who has zero clue on how to use his best players or adapt mid game with new tatics. However I have commented before on this and I will die on that hill, that many of these England superstars are simply not as good as they appear in the EPL and they are made to look better by the over seas lads they pay alongside and when they come to play for England they settle to their level adapting to what's around them. Foden being one, dare I say Trent being another. They are good players yes but perhaps not what they appear in the EPL with the over seas lads surrounding them. Southgate can help much of what has happend, but can't help it of his players are constantly misplacing 10 yard passes like yesterday. that's down to quality under pressure and England have little of that.

25.) 21 Jun 2024 17:57:07
Southgate is a clown, if he had it mind to play Trent in midfield then he should have done it during qualifying NOT wait until the game before Euros.
His best position would be as wing back where he’s free to roam a bit, attack and not worry too much about defending.
Side note I think our best player has been Guéhi, I’m sure the England premium on his price tag but wouldn’t be averse to signing him.

26.) 21 Jun 2024 17:59:01
MK, the stats don’t match your assertion that Trent made the most tackles, or won the most aerial challenges. Whoscored showed that he won no tackles and won one aerial, he did make the most key passes which suggests to me that he’s not defensive midfielder material but better out wide. He’s Beckham without the PR machine behind him. Very good out wide, a bit suspect in the middle. To me he’s never going to make a great centre midfielder but he could become one of the greatest right backs since Cafu if he worked hard in that position.

27.) 21 Jun 2024 18:20:11
Cannot believe in an after match interview Southgate said that the position for Trent was an experiment. Really in the actual tournament.

28.) 21 Jun 2024 19:13:59
To the people who say he's not a midfielder, where should you play him? Because everyone seems to think he's a terrible defender. The hybrid role doesn't work either.

Personally I think he can play as a deep lying creative midfielder like what xabi used to do. Xabi too was pretty rubbish at defending, and very slow. So Rafa just told mascherano to defend and let xabi do what he does best - passing. No reason that exact same thing couldn't be done with Trent.

Everyone is just obsessed with "midfield destroyers " that do flying tackles every 8 minutes. Those days are gone, most top clubs don't have a 'hard tackling destroyer' almost everyone uses two or three players who all have high energy, good ball retention and decent at pressing.

{Ed001's Note - are you for real? Alonso was absolutely brilliant at defending. He didn't need to be fast because, unlike Mascherano, he could read the game and position himself in the right place to deal with the problem. Rafa did no such thing as tell Mash to do that anyway. If you had said Pirlo and Gattuso, then that would be an example of it, but Xabi? That is laughable. He is among the best ever defensive midfielders for a reason, he was exceptional at breaking up play and improved every team he played for defensively.}

29.) 21 Jun 2024 20:35:13
Got to agree with Ed001 there Nevada.

Xabi himself said ‘if I have to make a tackle, I’ve already made a mistake’.

Defending is not always about brilliant recovery tackles like Mascherano, it’s about preventing attacks, stifling the opponents, regaining possession. Positioning, reading formations, reading attacks, breaking up play.

30.) 21 Jun 2024 20:54:04
VV, I really can’t take those stats seriously when I literally watched Trent tackle someone in the 6 yard box just off the top of my head and also saw him win at least 2 headers. I guess it’s important to realise that what is defined as winning a tackle or a header is still subjective so if the person logging the stats is also in on this weird anti-Trent agenda they will warp the numbers how they see fit.

31.) 21 Jun 2024 21:01:56
Ron I think it was Paolo Maldini who is credited with that line.

32.) 21 Jun 2024 21:32:39
Alonso was a bad example to use; a very bad example.
As the Ed said, Pirlo is a good example. Or Glenn Hoddle. Both good players, mind.

33.) 21 Jun 2024 22:40:17
Maybe Gaga, could be Xabi quoted him.

34.) 22 Jun 2024 07:58:13
I’m not judging Trent’s positional suitability for Southgate’s England.

Southgate has made Foden look poor. That says it all.

35.) 22 Jun 2024 09:01:24
I enjoy watching England, I don’t rate Southgate and I do rate Trent (just getting my viewpoint across) . Trent from my point of view played poorly. One of my pet hates is when players stroll around the pitch not moving in to space and wanting the ball in possession or showing and urgency getting the ball back when not in position. Trent was the worst culprit of this on the pitch against Denmark, although he wasn’t alone.
I think he is guilty of this when playing for Liverpool also. At times last year, when he was receiving the most stick for his lack of defending, it was this type of performance that I noticed in him. He genuinely looks uninterested and mardy. At the time I put it down to him maybe not wanting to play RB anymore (although that shouldn’t excuse it) .
You would think that playing in a major tournament, in a position that you want to move in to and the fact that your place in the team is probably the one with most question marks around, you would be busting a gut to put in a performance. He certainly didn’t!
We can blame Southgate.
We can blame tactics.
We can blame experience in that position.
Maybe all the above had a part to play, but his constant strolling around the pitch made him look uninterested and that’s on him.

36.) 22 Jun 2024 09:35:43
I don't think Foden is playing in his best position though.
Anyway, it's now being said that the players are tired. I'm not going to dispute that because it's something that's always been said about English footballers. I know two of our better- if not the best- players play in Europe but I reckon they both played a lot of games last season. Why not play fresher players and and manage the team better then?
Bellingham and Kane were taken off but when the game had drifted away from us.

37.) 22 Jun 2024 09:44:32
Sorry, I didn't mean to say Bellingham was substituted. I meant to say he should have been. I don't know who by though ?.
I was surprised that Kane was but Bellingham should have been if he is tired and he looked it.
I'm not saying don't take your big players even if they are tired and carrying knocks but manage them better. The same does for TAA and Foden and where they play.



20 Jun 2024 13:06:43
I don't understand the uproar over a potential swap with Diaz and Raphinha. I'll pre-warn that this might come off as a bit of a rant so before you read, please understand I'm not trying to say I'm right and others are wrong. I just want to put my point across in one post so I can walk away from the tedious discussion afterwards.

I like Diaz a lot and his passion and work rate simply won't be matched by Raphinha as they're different players. In fact you'll be hard pushed to find anyone in Europe who works harder than Diaz out wide. But in terms of end product Raphinha eclipses him very comfortably. Last season he created 13 goals for Barcelona in 37 appearances. Meanwhile Diaz created 5 for us in 51 appearances. So you're talking about Raphinha being slightly better than 1 in 3 for creating goals and Diaz is barely even at 1 in 10.

Goals wise Raphinha had 10 and Diaz had 13 so there isn't much difference there given the difference in games played. Neither is likely ever going to score 20+ goals a season and that's pretty normal for wingers, contrary to what us spoilt Liverpool fans are used to with Mane and Salah.

So it really does come down to whether you value creativity over work rate as to who you think is the better player between Diaz and Raphinha. At the end of the day, goals win games so for all Diaz's charging about flying into 50/ 50's, for a winger he simply cannot cross a ball as well as he should be able to and he constantly picks the wrong pass when we're counter attacking which results in the move breaking down.

Throw in that we're severely lacking options at RW but well stocked at LW, and it makes perfect sense really. Barcelona have the opposite issue where they have Yamal coming though for RW who looks a really top talent, but they've got nobody of any real quality to play on the LW and resorted to putting Raphinha or Felix there out of position. So the swap would suit both parties on paper.

Raphinha at Leeds was a greedy penalty merchant but at Barcelona he has developed his game and maybe having better players around him that he trusted more was the catalyst for him showcasing his low key top draw creativity. Is he the best option? No, and at 27 years old he's only a 5 year solution at best. However, he's certainly not a bad option and anybody saying Raphinha is "terrible" is really just being drawn into hyperbole. Like Diaz, he's a good player, just in a different way.

We're not going to get another 20+ goal and 10+ assist RW anytime soon. I think people need to temper expectations and stop comparing every winger we're linked with to Salah because the guy is a freak and it's not normal what he's done from the wing. The only other player I'm aware of who got 20+ goals and 10+ assists last year from the RW playing in a top 5 European league is Saka and he's so far in his career done it once! Bowen, Foden, Palmer and Rodrygo all look capable on paper but played the majority of their football last season in AM or at CF so there is no evidence to support that they can do what Salah has done from the RW.

This is why I can't help but wince a bit when people say Salah needs to go. He's still by far the most effective RW in Europe and he and Saka are the only world class RW's I can see in the game right now. So if he leaves, Raphinha is about as good as the realistic options out there get. He's in that same bracket as other RW's like Mbuemo, Sane, Dembele, Kudus and Berardi where they'll probably get you around 10+ goals and 10+ assists a season and that is just what is normal for a top winger.

City won the league with Doku, Grealish and Silva playing most of the minutes out wide and they COLLECTIVELY got 21 goals and 22 assists. City's goals came mainly from Foden, Alvarez and Haaland who played down the middle. We need our AM's and CF's to step up after Salah goes because realistically, we're not replacing him like for like unless Arsenal let go of Saka and that just isn't happening.

Apologies again if this comes off in the wrong way. I just genuinely believe Salah's 'normal' has warped what people recognise as a good winger. There really isn't many world class ones out there so be careful what you wish for.

MK Scouser

1.) 20 Jun 2024 14:20:19
Thanks for the info mate. Before I jump on the bandwagon of not wanting the swap. I’d like to know more information about the deal as in wages he would be on and how much they would be adding to the deal. Am sure there are other options out there like Kvaratskhelia and nico Williams that we could possibly get. Lastly for all the good stats that Diaz and people wanting him to stay I think he is letting himself down by allowing his farther to constantly talk about move to Barcelona. This should not be happening especially after everything the club have done for the family.

2.) 20 Jun 2024 14:34:31
MK, appreciate your posts, but any chance you can start using bullet points ?.

3.) 20 Jun 2024 14:55:48
Lucho'd have better numbers in La Liga.

4.) 20 Jun 2024 16:07:00
I would love to get nico Williams, he looks like the real deal in terms of a winger who loves staying wide and taking people on one on one, but apparently he has extravagant wage demands, kvara would be a dream too but there’s no indication that we’re interested in him and Napoli would charge an extortionate fee considering they don’t seem to have any desire to let him leave

I think raphinha is okay but Diaz has such great work rate, has pace, loves taking defenders on, can run from the first minute to the last and is pretty much elite one on one, getting raphinha as a successor to mo or in exchange for Diaz can’t help but feel like a major downgrade however you look at it, especially since that means raphinha is supposed to then hold on to the starting right wing position for the next few years, I’m pretty certain we can do better than that, buying a younger and more adventurous option.

5.) 20 Jun 2024 16:27:13
June, Think there are just as many players who flopped in La Liga and succeeded in the Prem as there are vice versa to be honest. Sanchez, Hazard, Coutinho etc. There’s not much to split the two leagues as far as I’m concerned but if that’s your belief then fair enough. It’s a better argument than “Raphinha is mediocre at best”.

Stuie, I honestly don’t know how my posts end up so long sometimes ? surprised anyone even reads them to be honest.

Good post Longthing. Agree with all you said.

6.) 20 Jun 2024 17:19:23
Kvaratskhelia Plays on the left and we are overstocked there.

7.) 20 Jun 2024 17:27:13
There is no glaring differences between Raphinha and Diaz. Similar age and doesn’t score many. I don’t know how Raphinha is an upgrade to Diaz.
I agree we need to look for goals from midfield and attackers.

8.) 20 Jun 2024 17:35:05
Raphinha is one paced, lazy, loses the ball far too cheaply, can’t beat a man with pace or skill, his end product is modest and that is being extremely generous. For £60m you’d at least expect a winger who can beat a defender and get close to double figures in goals. That’s without mentioning his hissy fit that he threw to get his “dream move”.

Fans criticise Diaz for his decision making, but it’s light years better than Raphinha, Raphinha makes Diaz look like peak John Barnes in comparison.

Raphinha is no better than dross like Richarlison, Antony, Traore, Dembele, Sterling or Grealish and I wouldn’t want any of those pitching up here either.

9.) 20 Jun 2024 18:03:37
In fairness our midfield offered goals last season. I think Mac got 7 goals and 7 assists.

Even in our glory years with Hendo, Gini and Fab they never got those kind of numbers.

Hopefully Nunez and Diaz have better scoring seasons and Jota can stay injury free.

We have a squad full of players capable of scoring goals and winning games.

10.) 20 Jun 2024 19:22:27
That’s spot on JK23, and that’s why I’m not stressing about Salah’s eventual replacement scoring 20+ goals!

Personally I think we should give Salah a 2 year deal and reassess next summer. Unless he wants a mega pay rise of course, in which case just let him run down his contract because the fee we would get for him is not going to be worth the downgrade.

11.) 20 Jun 2024 19:23:38
Agree fully btw, Jaguar. The next step needs to be getting Nunez, Macca and Szobo bagging goals from central areas.

12.) 20 Jun 2024 19:40:12
@Longthing, why would you, as a football fan, want to know how much a player is going to be paid before deciding if he is a good signing or not? If the football club, and ultimately the owners, agree to the contract details then it’s no skin of your, or my, nose as a fan of the club. It’s the club’s decision and if they see the right player - at the right price - then we should get behind the new signing, at least until he played three or four games (that seems to be the ‘going rate’ these days) .

13.) 20 Jun 2024 20:07:04
Assists are hard to judge a player on. I’m not going stat digging as I can’t be arsed…. but in a season that we wasted soooooo many chances, if we had a lethal finisher up front, maybe Diaz (and Salah) would have registered more assists than they did. My personal view is that you are not strengthening the squad by removing Diaz and replacing him with Raphinha, regardless of and money to sweeten the deal.

14.) 20 Jun 2024 20:31:08
MK . how we going ro afford a top class replacement for Salah next season, when Salah goes on a free, if he goes now . we get a decent fee for him 50 mill plus . I don't get this let players run their contracts down . I keep hearing we're not loyal fans if we want him gone if he doesn't sigh extention etc, Ed002 has said he would have went years ago if he could have got his dream move.

15.) 20 Jun 2024 21:44:40
For all those courting the idea of Raphina swapping with Diaz can we just take a step back and look at the facts, Barcelona are the ones who are seeking to include him in a swap deal (allegedly) from this we can assume that they see Diaz as an upgrade! Why would we want their cast off? Also just to note Raphina is on 4 times Diaz’s current salary and would likely want similar if not improved terms….

16.) 21 Jun 2024 00:24:54
I totally agree with you on Salah, MK. We are spoilt by him. There isn't any RW like him. In fact, I couldn't think of the old/ retired RWs like Salah. He is a freak hahaha. I agree 100%.

17.) 21 Jun 2024 00:27:17
You can't stop a player from running down his contract. If you give someone a three year contract you are obliged to pay them for three years and then let them leave on a free.
We have benefited from players running down their contracts like Matip, Milner etc.

18.) 21 Jun 2024 02:06:44
A bit of a rant, but a very good one.

I think the right fit in the system is most important. I honestly never believed that Mane/ Firmino/ Salah would be the best front 3 in the world for a time, but they were because they fit the system well. I hope Slot has a lot of input because a player doesn't gave to be a big name to have a big impact.

Here's to hoping the team finds the right fit, regardless of where they come from.

19.) 21 Jun 2024 08:00:33
Haizan, there's only been three RW's in my lifetime who have had an equal or better output to Salah; Ronaldo at United for a few seasons, Messi at Barcelona for a few years before he moved central, and Bale at Spurs/ Madrid for about 6 years before he lost interest in football.

Salah is THAT special. He is clearly in a physical decline but he still has so many strings to his bow that even when it looks like he's struggling he'll create a goal out of nothing or pop up in the right place at the right time to score. We struck gold when we signed Mo. It's at least in the debate to be pound for pound the best signing in football history.

20.) 21 Jun 2024 10:52:35
Not bad for a Chelsea reject or the 6-time Premier League "one season wonder" right, MKS?



05 Jun 2024 21:21:43
Good luck to Calvin Ramsay out on loan at Wigan next year. Hopefully he can finally stay fit and show what he can do.

MK Scouser

1.) 05 Jun 2024 21:56:01
Well said @MK. Really feel sorry for the lad - seemed like he had a very bright future when he signed but has. Not been lucky with his injuries. Hopefully a year to re-establish himself and to kick on.

2.) 05 Jun 2024 22:33:20
Ed01 had him down as challenging for place, next season, if I remember. Never going to happen.

{Ed001's Note - no I had him down as cover. Not once have I ever suggested he would challenge Bradley for a place or Trent. In fact I have said all along he is a bad buy and should never have been brought to the club. Not that he js a bad player when fit, just that we never needed him and had better already at the club.}

3.) 06 Jun 2024 00:46:42
I think next season is him putting himself in the shop window. Like I say, I hope he can stay injury free and get himself back on track. I think he’s a chance to be a good player but it seems that he has limited chance of game time with Bradley and TAA on the books.

4.) 06 Jun 2024 07:38:49
If Trent eventually moves in to midfield, then we would need him to cover RB potentially.

5.) 06 Jun 2024 07:48:55
Agree WDW. I've been vocal about getting him off the books but there is still the human aspect to all this. He's a young kid who has had his career wrecked by a stress fracture in his back, then a leg break, and god knows what else. I feel for him and hope he can bounce back. I'm getting flashbacks to Martin Kelly, who also could've been a good option for us had he not been falling apart every year.

6.) 06 Jun 2024 08:09:46
TBF to ED1, he has always championed Bradley as the special talent to play RB, i think Mbuembo, Ignacio, Wharton and Hincapie would be agreat transfer window.

7.) 06 Jun 2024 09:15:20
Can say i've seen much of wharton, he that good?

{Ed001's Note - if it is the lad Palace got from Blackburn, yes.}

8.) 06 Jun 2024 09:20:21
Like the look of the lad Rigg at Sunderland, looks a player.

9.) 06 Jun 2024 12:14:55
Yeah it's the Palace lad, could be a player for the next decade, he is going to be class and already runs games at such a young age.

10.) 06 Jun 2024 12:17:20
Got to feel for Ramsey with the injuries. Hopefully a good injury free year at Wigan will be the making of him.

Personally, I think his future position is still undecided. Wouldn't surprise me to see him tried in a few positions as he develops. He's a big rangey lad who is good with both feet. Lots of options for him. But, he needs to get lucky with injuries first.

11.) 06 Jun 2024 12:23:38
Is there enough data on Wharton? He seemed to appear out of nowhere after Glasner came in.

Anyone here follow him at Blackburn?
Have we ever shown interest in him?

Does he keep Cheick Doucoure out of the Palace team when fit?

{Ed001's Note - he joined in January didn't he? And pretty much took over their team to become their main man.}

12.) 06 Jun 2024 13:22:39
I first clocked Wharton a couple of years ago. Our very own Tyler Morton was on loan there and I think I actually said on here that Morton had been very good but had been outshone by Wharton. He is so classy. Going to the very top in my opinion. Closest thing any academy in this country has produced to Carrick for years. There is a dearth of good DM’s in the English game. So much so that people want to shoehorn blatant box to box CM’s like Hendo, Rice, Gallagher or Mainoo into the role. We seem to produce an abundance of AM and CM players but even if you go back to the supposed golden generation, they ultimately failed because Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard had no discipline to protect a defence. That generation might have done something if Hargreaves had managed to stay fit (or if Barry/ Carrick had come through 5 years earlier so they were all at their peak simultaneously) .

Wharton won’t stay at Palace for very long. A Champions League side beckons.

{Ed001's Note - he doesn't play DM for Palace. He is a playmaker, not a defensive midfielder, and they usually pair him with a more defensive minded player. A lot of the time it was Richards.}

13.) 06 Jun 2024 14:19:28
Yeah he does seem to have more freedom at Palace Ed. At Blackburn he was very much a sitter. He's one of them rare players who can actually do both. Hence why he reminds me more of Carrick than say Nicky Butt!

{Ed001's Note - when Morton was at Rovers, he sat to allow Wharton freedom.}

14.) 06 Jun 2024 14:58:42
In the games I watched Ed he definitely seemed to be sitting but maybe it was just that he was roaming to find space then. Often saw him taking the balls off the CB's toes though. I really like him either way. He's solid defensively, graceful on the ball, decent passing range, and sets the tempo for the team. I don't think it's coincidence that Palace became a better team after he joined. The platform he provides in midfield allows guys like Eze and Olise to express themselves.

{Ed001's Note - I do agree with you in that, he massively improved them.}

15.) 06 Jun 2024 18:17:15
I saw the Wharton kid play vs Us and City and yep, he is very talented.



04 Jun 2024 16:16:30
World Class players like Alisson, Salah and Virgil can play well into there 30's. We should not be rushing to bomb them out.

Looks at what Benzema, Kroos and Modric did for Real Madrid. Look at what Iniesta, Xavi and Pique did for Barca. Look at what Neuer, Muller and Lewandowski did for Bayern. Look at what Giggs, Scholes and Neville did for United. Look at what Terry, Lampard and Cech did for Chelsea.

World class players endure the test of time and when you think they're down and out they reinvent themselves and keep coming back. You can't compare these 3 with Henderson, Firmino, Fabinho, Mane and Milner. They were great players but Salah, Virgil and Alisson are a level above. They always stood out to a frighteningly consistent level.

We should definitely be planning for the future by bringing in the right players to phase them out gradually and learn from them. But these are the kind of players you happily let retire on your books because they're genuinely that good. Look at the send off 34 year old Kroos got the other night. Does anybody really want to sit there and tell me they should've got rid of him 2 years ago? Does anybody genuinely believe Salah, Alisson and Virgil don't deserve that same loyalty and respect?

Personally I'd contract them all to 35 years old so they can help bed in the next generation and the new era, and then let them go out as legends. World class players always find a way to keep rising to the top and when they're not up to it anymore, they will let you know themselves.

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1.) 04 Jun 2024 16:58:08
Great post.

2.) 04 Jun 2024 16:59:32
Allison is the only one I’d absolutely contract to 35, I’m not entirely that VVD has the legs anymore and it’s plain to see that Salah doesn’t. The players you cite are exceptions to the rule and additionally, were surrounded by world class players in their teams. It would be difficult to argue the same in our situation.

Additionally those teams don’t operate on a hand to mouth basis and didn’t need to sell to be able to adequately replace, which we would. I’d say contracting Salah to 35 gives us a Ozil situation that Arsenal had, where they had a once great player on huge wages, unable to contribute as his legs has gone, but on such terms as they couldn’t sell as he was past his best and couldn’t do anything but let him wind his contract down. Sentimentality does not win trophies.

3.) 04 Jun 2024 17:15:02
VV, don’t talk nonsense. It’s nothing to do with sentiment. Salah just finished a season in which he had an AFCON and a hamstring injury with 25 goals and 13 assists. 38 goal involvements in two thirds of a season and you want to talk about sentiment? Pull the other one pal. Your trolling is boring now.

4.) 04 Jun 2024 17:40:42
did ozil really ever need legs? i'd say the ozil situation was more that he no longer fit the way the team wanted to play (and was also constantly made a scapegoat with people saying he had poor work rate and was a maverick luxury player), whereas wenger knew exactly what he needed from him and how he wanted to use him. ozil is a one of a kind player and a true genius of the game imo, who won't be remembered the way he should because position-centric tactics don't have a place for him. as such i don't think it's a good comparison with mo at all, mo is a player who once was instructed to play a certain way, and has shown signs that he can play an entirely different way.

it's examples like these that make me think you sometimes make sensationalist claims without really considering the actual basis behind arguments you make. on paper it certainly seems like your argument makes sense, but in reality football isn't simply about being able to run really fast for 90 minutes, mo isn't just a sprinter who plays in transition in behind, he also has the ability to create with first time passes with the outside of his boot in central areas, when participating in overloads and one twos in the right flank, his game can evolve because he's just a very good footballer.

the question is whether the evolution of his game will come with us- i personally hope so- or whether he does it somewhere else. whatever the case i'm sure this evolution will make sure he isn't pegged eternally as the right winger whose trick of running really fast in behind or dribbling inside to smash one into the to corner no longer works because his legs are gone.

and mk- excellent post, but for me. i think mane was a world class player too, as an athlete covering massive amounts of the pitch every game back and forth with an without the ball and as a footballer. we really miss the combination play he had with robbo and his instinctive finishing. i don't know if he could have evolved in the same way as mo but i guess we'll never really know after the bayern misadventure.

5.) 04 Jun 2024 17:44:33
MKS as I have said, I would not mind seeing Salah go as clearly he has lost a step and the injury he sufferred esp. including the setback he had, hurt him badly on an individual level.
However, he is not the only one who struggled amongst our forwards cos well, they all did. So if we can't move him and he wants to stay then, I will come that cos he has the power and like it or not, he knows where the goal is.

As for the others, anyone rushing to bomb them out is off his rocker. Those players (Trent, AB1, VVD) are still well on top of their games and it would be completely stupid to get rid of them on a whim or cos "Look how much money we can get for them". Nonsensical logic. IMO, those players esp. now under a new regime, are worth more to us than whatever fee we could get to them. You don't sell your best and veteran players during a new regime. That makes no damn sense at all, IMO. At least not in the short term.

6.) 04 Jun 2024 18:09:06
It all depends on the type of player. If a player relies on pace, reactions and skill tend to not do well when they lose one or more of those attributes.

Players that rely more on creativity, footballing IQ and technique tend to do much better as they adapt to different roles better as they age.

The players that you've listed for other clubs were not like that, except for Giggs, who completely changed his style of play to stay useful.

Out of the Liverpool players you've listed, VVD and Alisson are most likely capable of adapting as they get older, however I'm not so sure about Salah - there is just something that makes me think he'll be unable to adapt as his legs go.

7.) 04 Jun 2024 18:09:25
I expect Virg will get a new deal.
Can see Mo running his contract down as I don't see us being willing to improve his existing terms.

Don't think Alisson's deal is up for renewal.

The Premier League is physically unforgiving, and drop offs can happen overnight. It's right that PL clubs think very carefully about extending contracts in the mid-30s.

8.) 04 Jun 2024 19:25:40
For goals and assists per game it was one of Salah's best seasons for us. Not many right wingers out there that guarantee 25-30 goals a season lads.

9.) 04 Jun 2024 19:30:09
Patrik, Mane got very close but I think he was always more reliant on his explosive pace than Salah.

Oli, i’d say Salah could easily move central like Messi and Ronaldo did around this age. Honestly, I’d just give Salah and Virgil 2 year deals and reassess when they’re down to 6 months left and coming up for 34/ 35. Alisson and Trent there is no argument for me, give them both 5 years and put those conversations to bed for good.

We’ve got 4 world class players and people want to sell them because they are saleable assets. Of course they are. Because they are world class and everyone would be interested!

10.) 04 Jun 2024 19:47:32
MK - For such a consistently good writer your words to Viktor here suprise me. It isn't nonsense or trolling. He just has a subjective pinion, one that happens to be different from your subjective opinion. I also happen to think Salah is worth cashing in on now based on the quality of his overall play, but hey that's my opinion and I'll support any player in a red shirt next season come what may. If someone called me a troll for having an opinion that I'm fully entitled to have and share on a public forum I'd probably think a little less of them, at a minimum. There's no need to get personal. Please do better.

11.) 04 Jun 2024 19:51:19
I’ll hold my hands up MKS and say that I don’t agree with all of your posts but I 100% agree with your original post here, Allison, VVD, Trent and Salah are the back bone to this Liverpool team, to write 3 of them of is a travesty, Salah is not a striker, posters tend to forget that but yet year after year he’s scoring consistently 20 goals or more a season and I can definitely see him doing that this new season and to think that while he’s been with us he’s scored I think over 200 goals, I’m with you on this one, Salah has to stay and personally I think he will but hey if he does decide to go, he can leave with his head held high and he’ll rank with Rushie, Fowler, Gerrard, Torres as a Liverpool scoring legend.

12.) 04 Jun 2024 22:33:26
Westwood he accused me of being sentimental. Yet, Salah was our top goal scorer and joint top creator this season! Keeping him has absolutely zero sentimentality about it. In the here and now he’s been our best forward (again) . So that wound me up admittedly, but his comment here wasn’t necessarily trolling.

When I say trolling I’m referring to how he is so overly negative all the time and I honestly just find it boring now. The Eds have even said they are having to filter out his more nasty posts. It’s bad enough when he torpedos every player we’re linked to, let alone when he starts on a bonafide modern day Liverpool legend.

I’m not going to be doom and gloom if Salah goes, because we have lost great players before and come back. But in this instance we don’t need to sell him. We are in a strong position financially with other players in the squad we can sell who are less effective.

13.) 04 Jun 2024 23:15:37
Fair enough MK. I missed some context then so sorry about that. I admittedly also just get wound up when I read a lot of subjective opinion stated as fact on here and normally I wouldn't even respond to it. But from you it just seemed a bit off, not like you at all, that's all. You have a higher standard. in my opinion of course.

14.) 05 Jun 2024 01:18:11
Well said MK, a great post that mate.

15.) 05 Jun 2024 05:22:06
Just wanted to add as well that this "hand to mouth" model doesn't seem to be true in recent years. Who did we sell to fund the summer transfers of Mac, Grav, and Szobo. Those three are already in excess of 100m. And that is not to mention that we made a bid of over 100m for Caicedo. I don't think we need to sell the exact amount that we need to buy players at. We have shown that if we want the player, we would do what we can within reason to get him in.

16.) 05 Jun 2024 07:45:05
GKs can play well into their 40’s
Outfield players are different (Giggs being an exception) .
Most get recurrent injuries and gradually their ability fades. That’s happening to Salah. I noticed he’d lost his pace right at the beginning of the season - I think it was Newcastle away. I put it down to form and early season stuff. Then in the first home game with Fulham it was reinforced for me. Basically he wouldn’t get a new contract from me. If he stays another season, he probably hasn’t had a better offer.

Trent - he gets a new contract but £300k a week is pie in the sky
Virgil - maybe an extension but a short one.

17.) 05 Jun 2024 12:34:21
Nice one, Dracred. "Hand to mouth" model. Another clickbait buzzword that means absolutely diddly squat in reality.




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Let’s just agree to disagree. You clearly think your opinion is a fact so it’s not even worth debating.

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19 Jun 2024 11:49:22
VV, if you take away your subjective dislike of signing players from Barcelona it suits us in quite an obvious way.

We have Gakpo, Jota and Nunez to play LW even if Diaz leaves, however we only really have Salah for the RW and most people either expect him to leave or play more central next season.

So whilst it might not suit us from your subjective standpoint, in terms of squad balance at least it factually does suit us as we’re clearly light on senior options on the RW and inundated with senior options for the LW. This move would thin out our LW overstock, bolster our RW shortage, and bring in some cash.

In terms of ability, who am I to tell you that you’re wrong and Raphinha is a good player? So by all means maintain that view that he’s not good enough. I personally think he’s a very similar level to Diaz. Both just good players who flatter to deceive a little bit with their flair play, but should score more. Diaz presses much better, Raphinha is much more creative. It’s neither here nor there for me and I’ll not be losing any sleep over it, if this deal came to fruition.

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18 Jun 2024 18:29:20
If 27 is now too old to sign a player because they don’t have resale value then that’s a hell of a loser mentality to have. Surely we want to have players in their primes?

Madrid have been the most successful team in Europe the last decade and they’ve kept the likes of Rudiger, Nacho, Ramos, Ronaldo, Kroos, Modric and Benzema into their 30’s.

It varies player to player and I think the trick is knowing when certain players are going to peak or dip. You can’t put a blanket age restriction on it.

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Next Maldini? I’m not saying you’re wrong and maybe this is just ignorance on my behalf, but I hadn’t even heard of him last week ?.

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14 Jun 2024 10:42:52
Strange as that sounds you may be correct June Nkunku. Nacho is getting on, Alaba isn’t really a CB and Militao seems unfavoured. Whereas for us Virgil and Konate are both international starters and Quansah is a top top talent who was on the verge of pushing Konate out last season. With Matip leaving we are short at CB, but I don’t see Yoro as an immediate regular starter. Certainly not a guaranteed starter anyways.

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Oil, I’m not taking it as gospel mate. Just posting a rumour on a rumour site ?.

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21 Jun 2024 20:54:04
VV, I really can’t take those stats seriously when I literally watched Trent tackle someone in the 6 yard box just off the top of my head and also saw him win at least 2 headers. I guess it’s important to realise that what is defined as winning a tackle or a header is still subjective so if the person logging the stats is also in on this weird anti-Trent agenda they will warp the numbers how they see fit.

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21 Jun 2024 11:27:51
I don't know how Slot wants to play yet so that's impossible to answer, Jaguar. If it's similar to Klopp then he should stay RW but if it's more like a Guardiola system (as many reports suggest) then Salah would probably be better in the middle either as an AM or CF.

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21 Jun 2024 11:00:33
Jaguar, I don't know what game you watched but Trent was the only midfielder last night to win any tackles, create any chances or win any headers. Rice put on the worst performance in an England shirt since Heskey retired; it was so bad I even started to wonder if he always felt Irish and this whole thing was just a master plan to take England down from the inside. Bellingham was also useless losing every duel he contested, and having absolutely no effect on the game. Gallagher came on and did his best Lee Cattermole impression as well. Trent was decent, nothing more. But that was comfortably enough for him to stand out as the only midfielder working hard to win the ball back and trying to make things happen. Southgate has set the whole team up to fail ultimately and the buck stops with him.

JK23, my worry for Trent is that Southgate's comments a few years ago fuelled a media agenda and the general population have all jumped on the bandwagon like sad little sheep who can't make their own assessments. What he's doing now, essentially making Trent the scapegoat for his own inability to set up a team correctly is only going to make that worse. So even if a new manager comes in and wants Trent in the team, he's never going to respected or appreciated by England fans and pundits. Even some Liverpool fans have been brainwashed. In the game last night Bellingham lost the ball trying to shield it out, Rice then completely missed the cutback, and Trent spared their blushes by reading the situation and getting goal side of the attacker (who Rice had allowed to turn 5 yards out) to nip it off his toes. Commentators said nothing. Few into the second half Trent fizzed a pass in to Rice who took an embarrassingly heavy touch and the commentator said "ooohhh Trent". He literally get's blamed for other peoples mistakes now.

England don't deserve him and I'm starting to think Liverpool don't either. I swear, If Roberto Carlos or Dani Alves had played in this country the media would've hounded them over what they lacked instead of just appreciating how good they were.

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21 Jun 2024 10:25:51
Rodrygo would be a good player to sign because he could play with Salah and also go some way to replacing him when he eventually does leave. Being able the play LW, CF and RW without much drop off in level is a very rare skill. One Rodrygo has.

He probably needs to seriously consider his future at Madrid because Mbappe and Vini Jr are not going to be benched too often. So unless Ancelotti intends to move away from his preferred 4-4-2 diamond system, Rodrygo will find minutes increasingly hard to come by.

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