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06 Oct 2020 07:38:06
I know not Liverpool related, and I know the figures can be exaggerated, but I read that though Cavani signed on a free, the agent's fees are expected to come in lower than 10m euros. Can that be right, 10m in fees? What do they do for that money?
{Ed025's Note - the same as what mino raiola done for the pogba to united deal burkey...he raked in £42m for that one, so very little, these leeches are bleeding the game dry mate..
1.) 06 Oct 2020 09:16:49
That’s disgusting they need to be removed leeches is being polite.
2.) 06 Oct 2020 10:07:19
I really don't understand why they get so much money? what am I missing here? I don't get it at all. There should be some sort of cap on it.
{Ed002's Note - There are already rules concerning agents and there are plans to change them that will possibly come in to force next summer.}
3.) 06 Oct 2020 10:13:59
Well that's refreshing news Ed! a long time coming.
4.) 06 Oct 2020 10:57:11
I feel like I can add something here as I did meet mino once and had a chat with him. I think I've posted the conversation before but I'll give the broad strokes here.
From the perspective of an agent, they feel they are worth their money because their job is to get the best possible financial deal for their client. They believe they're the only ones solely focused on their clients finances (clubs largely want to use the players talent and would not be focused on finance at all )
He (mino) said "footballers career is short. They spend much while they play. Its my job to make sure when the career is finished they still have money to spend and don't need to work in supermarket. Why should I negotiate millions for my clients and peanuts for myself? "
He also alluded a few times to the fact many executives in football get paid huge sums.
I'm not saying that his view is 100% correct, because it's not. But it's also not wrong either. Before agents had the power they do now footballers were paid significantly less and many footballers even at pro level had no money beyond their career.
5.) 06 Oct 2020 11:10:16
I know! Perish the thought of a footballer having to work like the rest of us until their 60s!
Even Ed002 still works although I'm guessing that's just to keep him in the finest gin and cocktails 😉.
6.) 06 Oct 2020 12:04:12
Agents may try and get as much money for their clients as possible but they quite often ruin careers and advise players to go where the money is rather than what will be good for their development.
Would be good if agents gave players useful advise on what to do with their millions such as good Long term investments rather than watching them continuously burn through it and keeping them topped up, that’s not good for when the players career does end and they are still burning through it.
{Ed002's Note - The players get advised over money matters but there has been a recent trend with some younger players running wild. Clubs rather than agents take this responsibility.}
7.) 06 Oct 2020 12:55:29
Thanks Ed002. I do worry to hear of some young players running wild as you say, makes me worry what kind of mess their lives will be like when they Eventually get thrown into the real world. Hopefully clubs will start to get a grip on it and keep these youngsters grounded.
{Ed002's Note - They will fall back on the typical post-football trades of publican or insurance salesman.}
8.) 06 Oct 2020 13:43:20
IMO athletes get the raw end of the stick, no one ever says anything about Oprah raking in 100 millions for having a talk show or even Kelly Ripa who earns a million dollars for talking about what she had for dinner the previous night (Mainly U. S references as I am state side) . In regards to an agent, I have had the pleasure of knowing some when they were starting out it is rough. I had a buddy who was going to the colleges in the U. S and begging players to sign with him prior to going professional. Then investing their own money into the player such as creating a profile along with marketing material and preparation for the upcoming draft. They would get the player drafted and prior to negotiating a contract, he would get a termination letter from the client, where they would get minimal reimbursement for services rendered.
The average footballers career is 8 years, god forbid they get an injury or have any long term nagging injuries that will impact them for the rest of their lives. Just my opinion.
9.) 06 Oct 2020 20:20:26
Plus, you have to remember there are thousands of agents worldwide and it would be interesting to see what percentage make more than the average salary in their own countries. We only hear of the small minority no doubt who are making millions.
10.) 06 Oct 2020 20:27:59
Harry your not wrong, also when you compare to other entertainment industries the salaries aren't so disproportionate to the salaries earned. However, usually agents fees are capped, likewise commissions. The issue I see is in extortionate fees and whilst not privvy to the detailed info the sancho deal and pogba transfers seem v v high.
The issue of earnings I can give a small insight into. Footballers are second to only stockbrokers as the biggest idiots with their money! I wish I had more as clients. so many wouldn't need TV work to supplement earnings and then maybe michah r and jenas wouldn't have to work anymore :)
11.) 06 Oct 2020 22:46:24
It's amazing to see United's history if doing deals with raola and his clients costing the club so much money while the record of transfers being a successful investment is rather poor. Pogba, di Maria, falcao, myhkitarian, lukaku, ibrahimovich were all his clients if I'm not mistaken and he negotiated huge deals which couldn't have been kind to United's finances. Is there a reason he has extra joy working with United for example? Would personal friendships etc play a part to help him?
And then for example there's hardly any previous signings we attempt to pursue for players signed under his agency. Do clubs purposely ignore certain players due to simply not liking dealing with their representatives?
21 Feb 2018 07:15:43
Been busy for a few days so haven't checked site much. Did a quick search for Wanyama after seeing some links, but can't find anything from Ed001 and 002 specifically ruling out any interest. Please tell me the links are crap.
{Ed001's Note - I do not know of any interest in him from us at all. No idea where the links come from, but it sounds like manufactured crap because he once played for Southampton.}
1.) 21 Feb 2018 07:28:44
I would be extremely happy if we could bring him in. He will do a great job covering the back 4.None of the players we have right now is a defencive midfielder and from what i 've heard and read mostly neither is Keita (I 've seen very little of him to form an oppinion) . In any case it is a position that needs strengthening in the summer.
{Ed001's Note - but he is awful at the role, he is constantly caught out of position and it terrible on the ball. He is just a big, powerful lump with none of the mental attributes required to be a top level player. You need more than pace and power to be good at the role of defensive midfielder, positioning is the most important part of the job and he has not got a clue about it.}
2.) 21 Feb 2018 07:54:47
Who would be your preference Ed001 for defencive midfielder? I remember the Southampton Wanyama who was really dominant. Has he declined that much?
{Ed001's Note - he was crap there too, I don't know what you are remembering at all. He uses pace and power to make up for his own mistakes but it does not always work. He is just an average player who has risen too high for his limited talents. Southampton and Spurs have an extra body alongside him to provide cover for those lapses in concentration he has numerous times a game, so they can get away with him being asleep, we don't.
I do wonder why I bother answering questions like this as I have said already on a number of threads who my preferences are. Is there much point me constantly repeating them only to get asked the same question the following day?}
3.) 21 Feb 2018 08:32:19
Ndidi!
stevie started the rumours about wanyama. and actually it's quite funny when you think about it. A+ for idnteifying we need to solidfy the midfield and then he gets an F for saying we need to bring in a big powerful midfielder like wanyama to do that.
4.) 21 Feb 2018 10:30:24
Very worrying for Gerrard's credentials as a future first team manager 🤔
Ed001 didn't actually say Ndidi by the way. For years he wanted Gary Medel and more recently he has suggested Nampalys Mendy as his preferred choice. He's playing well in Nice to be fair.
Ndidi is a player he's said he likes though, along with Obiang and Doucoure. It wasn't his suggestion though.
I still think Demirbay might be the "powerhouse" midfield signing though. He seems to be regarded as an attacking player by most on here, but he is actually very similar to Doucoure. He is fast and powerful which does allow him to break forward from deep to score and create goals, but he actually averages 2 tackles a game for Hoffenheim which is comparable to an out and out holding midfielder. He's over 6 foot, very aggressive, and can play the holding role, box to box, or the No.10.
He's very versatile, and brings much needed steel to the midfield. Most importantly, he is a player we are actually interested in though. Don't forget Keita too who is also very aggressive and contributes a lot defensively. Not many teams would want to face a trio of Keita, Henderson and Demirbay! That is a lot of pace and power, combined with high quality on the ball. Wanyama unfortunately lacks the quality side of things!
5.) 21 Feb 2018 11:20:34
For all wanyamas bad points.
Having someone 6ft, strong, uninterested in wandering up field and will just plonk his was between the two cbs for me is just what we need. It will allow keita, Hendo and the 3 amigos to run riot whilst having someone help us keep our defensive shape.
Also if he is relatively cheap it could be a wise move for a few seasons, maybe focus the rest of our budget on cb and qingback needs.
6.) 21 Feb 2018 12:17:36
his bad points are the very reason to steer clear, as van morrrison would say keep mediocrity at bay.
7.) 21 Feb 2018 13:07:49
Unbelievable people thinking plonking Wanyama in front of defence will improve the midfield. This is not under 10’s football.
8.) 21 Feb 2018 13:31:12
Not good but still managed that screamer against us lol. I don't think he's that bad but he is not good enough for us, especially in a defensive position.
9.) 21 Feb 2018 13:32:53
I've watched Wanyama start twice recently, against Newport County and Rochdale and he was woeful in both games against quite terrible opposition.
There is a reason why Dembele (an excellent player) and Dier (a distinctly average player) are ahead of him in the Spurs team. He is poor. He runs around a lot and is quite strong, and every now and then he hits s thunderbolt of a shot which everyone go "ooooo".
I hope we steer well clear. (if we are even interested at all. which I doubt)
15 May 2016 09:01:45
Hey Ed001. Any chance Ings could be on the bench? I know he's only just returned to training, just wondering.
Also, so happy for Suarez. I know he couldn't wait to move on, but he gave his all when wearing the shirt.
{Ed001's Note - they were hoping he would be fit to take at least some part in the game. I don't know, nor will I ask as the club a long time ago asked me not to give out team details prior to matches, whether that is still happening. I want the club to succeed first and foremost, so, as they said it was giving an advantage to the opposition, I am happy to steer clear of team sheets etc. Sorry, I know it is not ideal for the sites, but the club is more important to me.}
1.) 15 May 2016 10:12:13
Well done 001.
{Ed001's Note - it has to be done. The club are my first love after all!}
2.) 15 May 2016 10:21:50
Are team sheets/ news banned now? I hope so for the same reasons Ed01. The people it benefits most are the opposition.
{Ed001's Note - no mate, I just have no involvement in them.}
3.) 15 May 2016 10:32:10
I hope your wife to be isn't reading, ed. Lol.
{Ed001's Note - she knows mate.}
4.) 15 May 2016 12:17:01
I'd say Ed most of us here aren't to bothered about team sheets. It's who's coming and going that we are more interested in.
{Ed001's Note - it does make a huge difference to traffic if you can post them up, so it only applies for those here now, rather than those we could attract.}
5.) 15 May 2016 13:13:00
Thanks for doing that ed, that's completely the right thing to do! Come on reds let's get top 5 and build for next year.
15 Jan 2015 00:02:54
A week ago someone mentioned aussie keeper Matt Ryan. I see a couple of papers are suggesting we're interested. Heard anything Eds?
From the little I've seen he looks a decent keeper with good distribution and is quite vocal. Pulled off a blinding save last week in their first group game of the Asian cup, ball looked destined for the top corner.
{Ed001's Note - from what I have been told there has been an enquiry from us, that has been leaked to try and bring others who are interested out of the woodwork.}
1.) 15 Jan 2015 07:48:00
Ed001 - a leak from Ryan's management or from Bruges?
{Ed001's Note - Bruges, they are looking for more money.}
2.) 15 Jan 2015 08:23:01
Seen him in a few games now. Not sure if he is the real thing YET, as he seems to loose his head (Like Grobelaar), but the kids got a big talent for sure
3.) Thanks Ed001. Presumed that would be the case, but just wanted to check.
4.) 15 Jan 2015 09:22:31
This bloke is 5ft11 just as well puttin Warwick Davis between the sticks
5.) 15 Jan 2015 17:21:20
Completely agree, far too short for the premier league. We are the worst in Europe when it comes to scouting and transfersz
13 Aug 2013 06:40:34
Eds, I assume the ESPN rumour is of their usual reliability, surely we wouldn't pay 35mil for Willian? {Ed002's Note - They will be running with a story that is from elsewhere. As I have said, I am not aware of any interest in Willian from Liverpool at this time.}
1.) In our dreams
2.) If you look at his goal return its far from good and there are better options out there for half the price being mentioned.
Iker Muniain
Shaqiri
Salvio
Erik Lamela
Konoplyanka
3.) 13 Aug 2013 10:27:31
I saw him playing in the CL last season and he was spectacular, however £35m is way too much. £20-23m would be fair, I'm sure he'd shine at Liverpool and partnering up with Coutinho wouldn't hurt. Adding Willian, a solid CB and LB and it just might persuade Suarez that we'll be a top 4 team this season. {Ed002's Note - A bid of just under €40M has already been rejected.}
4.) Was that €40M bid before or after the Anzhi situation developed? Thanks. {Ed002's Note - It was 10 days ago when Anzhi were already looking to start to restructure their wage budget. It is also irrelevant to what they are asking for, although as we get closer to the window closing they will possibly be accepting less. There is interest in Willian from elsewhere and a prospective deal might just include a player or two on loan for the 2014-2015 season - and a lower cash sale.}
5.) Was that 40m offer from Man City Ed? {Ed002's Note - It was less than €40M and it was from Manchester City. It seems they have since dropped their interest - at least for now - after it was rejected.}
6.) We are aiming too high, we are not a big club anymore. Nobody of any stature/class wants to play for LFC.
7.) 40 million for a striker whos scored 40 goals in 274 appearances hardly seems worth it mind you a majority of his goals came from the ukrainian league which people were already concerned about when we were interested in Micky and he scored 25 goals whilst Willian scored 2 in his league 1 in the domestic cup and 4 in europe I really don't think he'd be worth it.
8.) 13 Aug 2013 17:10:37
Ed02 do you think there is any possibility Liverpool go for him or is he out of our reach? {Ed002's Note - I can't say - but it would cost a great deal of money.}
9.) 13 Aug 2013 17:42:08
We already have Coutinho.
10.) The Times Tony Barrett who so far has been fairly on the ball, is saying we have moved for him now.
11.) 13 Aug 2013 22:58:52
Ben smith and tony barrett say we are interested
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25 Nov 2020 21:33:49
Regardless of the result, my favourite person on the field is easily the ref. Don't bother falling over, he doesn't care :)
1.) 25 Nov 2020 22:56:53
Agree Burkey, the ref was excellent at ignoring the amateur dramatics and histrionics that a lot of Italian teams use to disrupt play. Maybe we could get him for the next derby match to oversee Richarlson and Rodriguez.
2.) 25 Nov 2020 23:45:25
Put your keyboard down and pull your head in.
3.) 26 Nov 2020 04:44:18
mea gan, that's actually quite witty and insightful, well done, I do love being quoted.
4.) 26 Nov 2020 09:02:08
I thought the ref was brilliant.
5.) 26 Nov 2020 09:39:57
"Quoted" - what is that a synonym for?
6.) 27 Nov 2020 08:21:08
Mea gan you seem to be confused. Synonym is a word or phrase which is very similar to another word or phrase in the same language. I didn't use a synonym, I used the word quoted, which is what you did to an earlier phrase of mine directed at a post you made. Ok?
11 Nov 2020 20:46:40
So, looks like our new formation will be:
Alison
Robbo
Henod Milner Naby Thiago Gini
Salah Jota Mane
Bobby.
1.) 11 Nov 2020 21:06:01
Alisson Not attacking enough for me mate. Plays way too Deep.
01 Nov 2020 21:27:15
No Virgil, no fans, no scintillating football yet. Still top of the league.
I think if we're win it this season what will set us apart is mentality and the team spirit Klopp and co have developed.
1.) 01 Nov 2020 21:36:09
Don’t forget that seemingly every member of our squad has been injured at some point, including all of our first team centre backs bar Gomez, the referees giving awful decisions against us for 4 league games in a row and that we should be 2 points better off than we are if not for one of the most shambolic refereeing displays i’ve ever seen against everton, can’t be considered as anything more than daylight robbery. Despite all of that and what you’ve already mentioned, we are still top. I bloody love this team.
2.) 02 Nov 2020 11:22:36
It’s pretty much ours to lose, the other teams that would normally push us have been poor. We could do with some competition to keep us motivated.
3.) 02 Nov 2020 13:47:01
OP, too early to say who will win right now as no team is able to get seperation from the rest yet. Give it about 15 games in and we will start to see real contenders rise, IMO.
17 Oct 2020 22:45:23
Genuine question. How is the decision made when to pause the vision for an offside decision? As in, is it a bloke with his finger on the pause button judging when the ball has left the passers foot/ head? If so, a tenth of a second error could be significant, much the same way a10mm line call on the offside can be.
{Ed002's Note - It is not a button but a dial that allows scrolling.}
1.) 18 Oct 2020 03:46:44
I've seen an article last year actually about this. That the cameras operate at a certain amount of frames per second that makes a big difference. For example if the pause is made when the player makes the pass you could also choose other frames which look like the correct moment the ball is played but in those frames the offside player or last defender has the ability to be change positions despite all looking like those frames were accurate as the time of pass. There is human judgement at play here and they can only select the best moment that they think. I'm not sure that the cameras are capable of being able to constantly focus on zoomed in footage of the ball and foot making contact to pinpoint the exact moment that is correct. It's nothing that should be over analysed as we get too hung up on decisions being made on fractions as it is and I remember the writer of the article saying he's worried that soon we will see people debating the timing of the pass as being controversial as time goes on with VAR.
I don't think anyone ever inspects the accuracy or even glimpses at the player making the pass to ever argue that point and I hope it stays that way too.
2.) 18 Oct 2020 04:01:52
How many frames per second are we talking about.
{Ed001's Note - 25.}
3.) 18 Oct 2020 09:23:45
That's a pretty crappy frame rate being honest, for trying to find and confirm such fine margins.
{Ed001's Note - there is also motion blur to take into consideration.}
13 Sep 2020 10:22:39
Can't believe what I'm reading. I mentioned before the game that some would throw a tantrum if we lost. Lost. After watching MOTD you'd be forgiven for thinking they were all over us and battered our goal and we escaped with a few lucky counters. First game of the season and we had plenty of chances, could easily have scored 6. Gini had a good chance, Bobby too, a disallowed goal etc.
Leeds played well and are clearly a Bielsa team. The thing that does disappoint me is the possession we had. That does bring a question to the midfield control. Clearly the backline was pulled out of shape too often also. On the VVD mistake, clearly it was, but I was surprised Alison didn't come for it.
But, on the whole they scored 3 from their 3 on target though they did have a couple of other chances. We did what we did for most of last season, converted a relatively small percentage of the chances we had. Tidy up the defence a bit and get a bit more energy into the midfield and we'll be up their again this season.
1.) 13 Sep 2020 10:30:13
Burkey you started your post with moaning about moaners mate and then went on to give your own criticisms. I don’t understand why everyone gets so bent out of shape about other posters opinions. I love reading all the comments on here regardless of what side of the fence people are on.
2.) 13 Sep 2020 10:45:29
The important thing is that we won. I don’t remember us looking defensively solid at the beginning of the last 2 seasons either, that takes us a few games to get right.
3.) 13 Sep 2020 10:46:23
Jk I felt my points were just that, points, not criticisms as such and tried to leave the impression that although we weren’t perfect, we got the result against a good team and the knee jerk reaction are over the top. Apologies if it came across any other way.
4.) 13 Sep 2020 10:52:06
Burkey just re read my post and I probably didn’t word it correctly as it wasn’t a personal dig at you. What I meant was I’ve seen plenty of people on here criticising others being critical and then go on to be critical themselves in either that post or another.
5.) 13 Sep 2020 10:53:16
Leeds has 3 shots on target and scored them all. They were good, we were far better.
6.) 13 Sep 2020 10:55:36
Yeah burkey just like you have an opinion the rest of us might have differing opinions like this squad needs a big kick in the ass, we seen the best and worst of us yesterday and someone needs to tell these lads the worst bits and get it right, it seeped in last season and we need too eradicate it quickly.
7.) 13 Sep 2020 11:16:06
Burkey I agree with most of your assessment mate. This bit is not aimed at you but the way I see it is Klopp will not have been happy with a lot of what he saw yesterday and you can bet your bottom dollar he will tell those players that. You see how Klopp reacts on the sidelines when players make mistakes. Perhaps he isn’t a true red then with him being critical as that’s how it feels on here when a fan dares to be critical. Personally I love this site and I think we will 100% challenge for the league again this season. Is it all rosy for me. The answer is no. But it’s a million miles away from being doom and gloom as well but like I said earlier I love reading everyone’s posts.
8.) 13 Sep 2020 11:45:39
Fab takes 3/ 4 games to get going, Henderson was completely shot and not match fit. Those are our only DM options and it exposed our defence. Gomez was coming into midfield and getting done. Big Virg had a shocker.
Alison also usually saves one of those but he’s also had no pre season, it’ll click man. Just need to somehow improve Fast if we want to beat Chelsea and Arsenal.
9.) 13 Sep 2020 17:32:49
The worst is the people having a go at our strikers. I only recall Bobby having 2 chances. One he tried to cut it back because the angle was too tight, and the other was his outside of the boot which was heading bottom corner if it hadn't been blocked. Mane was unlucky not to score too. Think the keeper stopped it with his feet when he was wrongly flagged offside. Salah obviously stole the show with a brilliant performance winning one penalty and converting it, scoring a rocket, then converting another penalty under huge pressure.
How people can come on here moaning about the strikers is baffling. The defence and midfield were the issue but let's just remember Henderson and Trent missed nearly all of pre-season and as Klopp said, he lost nearly his whole midfield and defence to international duty in a week they should have been working on a gameplan for Leeds. Scotland, England and Holland don't exactly play similar styles so they always going to look disjointed against very fast and aggressive opposition. I saw enough positives to believe we will be in another title race. The mentality giants are still alive and kicking.
21 Sep 2020 04:15:21
So we’re all talking about a CB, but Eds, do we know of any actual solid interest in any? I’m hoping you won’t say Carlos.
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anything different to what has been discussed I am afraid.}
03 Jul 2019 08:44:08
Not sure you're getting it tobi.
26 Jun 2019 00:52:19
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, say no more. Bit of a goer is she? Well, yes, she does go. Bit of a sport? Yes, she like sport.
So, you've had sex then have you? Well, yes.
What's it like?
Sorry, for python fans.
10 Jun 2019 23:19:52
Ed025 you clearly are not on here enough for people to get that scouse sense of humour mate. What are you doing with your time? Actually don't answer that, there are some things in life you just don't want to know.
{Ed025's Note - people tend to get too serious at times burkey, life is too short for seriousness all the time so im here to lighten the mood mate, hell im an evertonian for gods sake and spend most of my time crying so i come on here for respite and a way to vent my frustration, most people get me and some dont and they are the ones that make it all worthwhile.. :)
17 May 2019 06:32:19
Can't be Walter he used the noun "we". Then again, it's only a few days after the league finished and plenty of time before the CL final for him to flip again.
19 Jan 2021 22:03:26
But the Eds have explained that we did try to buy a central defender. The club did invest in a few players last season when it seemed they'd need to sell in order to buy. So, they did invest. Your issue seems to be leading into this window alone. A window unlike any other I can think of. Forget the financial uncertainty going forward, name me one player you believe would have improved our 11, we could afford, would be willing to come and potentially fight for a spot?
17 Jan 2021 22:44:17
I've got the smelling salts Pegleg.
17 Jan 2021 22:42:49
Can't agree mate. In these games where we have dropped points lately, we've actually played some good footy. Last season we managed wins at times when playing poorly. That's just football. Teams know how to get a result against us, that's the issue, the tweaking that I'm sure they're working on. Having Thiago in the middle who isn't afraid to have a pop from distance will help in time, Jones too if he decides to. We need to draw defences out.
That said, our counter attacks have seemed non existent lately. Is that because we have 2 mids in defence? Hendo is great at releasing people early when a teams attack breaks down or we break from a corner, maybe that all adds to it?
Let's remember our front 3 have been collectively seen as the best on the planet for a few years now. I'm confident this will pass soon and they'll batter a couple of teams. The key is an early goal so teams can't sit back looking for a result.
Any idea how soon Jota is back anyone?
06 Jan 2021 22:07:07
Is this the Barry appreciation thread? Wondered when he'd challenge Salah for the top spot :)
03 Jan 2021 21:45:38
Yeah, a few times I've been hoping he'd have a pop from distance like couts used to. I get though that he's being responsible and playing to the system. We do need to hit from range at times though, get the defence to come out to close down and open up space.