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19 Aug 2014 13:12:59
So apparently Suarez went for £65 million quid, not £75m. Absolute outrage, Ayre should be sacked, as well as Rodgers, and Gerrard and the lady who makes the teas at Melwood while we are at it

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - The total amount that went to Liverpool after a small payment to Ajax, converted in to Sterling at today's rate, is a £62M and change. There would then be a few other costs that the club has to pay - and that would need to be deducted. I did explain this at the time, so can we finally now put this to bed.}


1.) 19 Aug 2014 14:14:47
Thanks a lot for the figure ed
hope it finally ends all the suarez figures saga

{Ed002's Note - It is actually the same figure I gave at the time, but it has now appeared in the UEFA database.}


2.) Alot of us don't really factor in agent fees and a lot of these fees are documented in the annual reports. In some cases, there weren't. In the case of Suarez, we do not know what the proportions were. Even if it was 75m, LFC won't get 75m in total and I imagine something in the line of 65m would sound rather reasonable.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona were responsible for the agent fees as buyers. You are making numbers up.}


3.) 19 Aug 2014 15:14:57
Is the UEFA database something that is publicly accessible, Ed002? Doesn't seem so as I can't seem to find it if it is?

{Ed002's Note - It is not in the public domain but those that provide the start of season data to Transfermarkt use that data. It is maintained as part of a commercial database that has to be purchased (newspapers, clubs, television companies, press agencies etc. buy it). It is maintained on a regular basis although some (like Transfermarkt) don't take the updates so I would not entirely rely on their data.}


4.) 19 Aug 2014 15:17:51
Yet again another reason why we never ask figures on the forum, when will the lads totally understand that this is not an easy issue to understand if not in the thick of things, thanks for the response though Ed002

{Ed002's Note - As a reminder for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).


5.) 19 Aug 2014 16:44:04
Big deal, I used to care about how much we spend and wages for the club and ect. But to be fair we are not the owners, we don't spend the money ourselves and also we don't even get to pick our targets. So why do we care?

{Ed002's Note - You should care that the club is well run from a financial perspective. Portsmouth, Leeds, etc..}


6.) 19 Aug 2014 17:40:34
They are professional business men, funding their own money. They are the best people for it. the person who will be most angry in losing millions is the board more than the fans its there money lol they will do what's best for own company. no need to worry.


7.) Suarez as gone its time to move on. I think ed2 said at the time the only one to blame why we didn't get more for Suarez was the man himself and his behavior. As I say time for a new star to be born.


8.) 19 Aug 2014 19:28:17
Thanks, Ed002. Makes sense.


9.) 19 Aug 2014 23:09:28
So we only got 15m more for Suarez than Chelsea got for for David luiz.Sounds wrong but a player that wants to go and tends to get himself in trouble too much 40m profit we will take that and move on imo.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty certain that this is nothing to do with Chelsea. Why this embarrassing obsession?}


10.) 20 Aug 2014 04:13:40
Ed002, I seem to recall at the time of the Suarez transfer you said the fee was £72 million give or take a few hundred thousand £'s.

{Ed002's Note - It was £63M and that was discussed at the time.}


11.) 20 Aug 2014 11:50:27
There is no obsession with Chelsea Ed002 I was simply making sense of transfer prices of players 1 being 1 of the best players in the world and the other being average imo, but I do think Suarez behaviour brought our price down its just luiz did leave Chelsea so they got mentioned

{Ed002's Note - The price of a central defender sold by Chelsea has no relevance to the price of a striker sold by Liverpool nor the height of the Delhi Dynamos' goalkeeper.}


 

 

19 Aug 2014 11:18:32
Hi Ed/s, what's happening with Luis Alberto? I see Llori has gone on loan, any news on Alberto? I would be quite interested to see him get some cup games

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - He has gone. Moved to Malaga for a year and then I would think will be sold next summer.}


1.) If he has a really good season, do you still think we'll sell him ed?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't think he is in the plans going forward any more than the majority of the players Rodgers has purchased.}


2.) I thought he was one for the future? Any idea what happened EDs?

{Ed002's Note - My views on many of the purchases of BR have been explained. Take the search engine for a run.}


3.) I would add Ilori, Assaidi and Borini to the 'weird transfer decisions' pile along with Sahin. Not sure what the deal is with Sakho either. Have to agree that thus far, by and large, we seem to spend a fair amount of money rather ineffectively.


4.) I'd like to see Llori given a chance at Liverpool, he's only 20/21. I've got a lot of Spanish mates, Granada and Sevilla fans mainly, and they feel he has a lot of potential. Can't say I have seen much of him myself though.


5.) Luis Alberto was done for drink driving as well - not a great way to endear yourself to the coaching staff.


6.) I believe Llori is considered "one for the future" and possibly for next season.
I think the hope is he pushes on while at Boudreaux and can possibly stake a claim next season.

On another note. I have to agree that most of BR signings haven't worked out and not surprised a committee make the decisions now.

Eds, do you think that BR gives a wish list to the committee or possibly just a list of positions that need strengthening? Does it then just mean the committee are the "directors of football" and didn't Rodgers not want that when he was at appointed?


7.) Ilori imo.


 

 

06 Aug 2014 13:14:12
Manquillo signed on loan. 2 years or one?

stuie_boy

1.) Two year loan with the option to buy after the first year


2.) 06 Aug 2014 13:46:58
2 with an option to buy at the end of year one

Very strange


3.) Initially 2 years but with an option to buy after the first year


4.) 06 Aug 2014 14:00:18
2 Years. Liverpool have the option to make it permenant on a fee after one year.


5.) That is a strange one. In his interview he seemed to hint that he wants to stay 'for many years'.


6.) Read elsewhere we have the option to buy after the second year, Atletico have the option to pay a penalty and take the player back after 1 year. No idea if that's true or not though.


7.) Don't think its that strange, other than why AM would want to let him go if he is so good - maybe he always dreamed of the EPL?

Clearly Liverpool & Manquillo expect it to be a long term stay, but we have an option not to buy him if he doesn't perform.


 

 

 

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20 Jun 2021 09:18:53
Ed001, I just read your player review on Luka Jovic. With what you write, would he be a good fit for LFC? I know we have shown no interest, but I remember him tipped to be one of the best, and since he moved to Madrid, seems to have vanished.

stuie_boy

{Ed001's Note - no mate, he has lost his way.}


1.) 20 Jun 2021 09:31:51
Shame really, cheers Ed.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome stuie.}


2.) 20 Jun 2021 10:46:37
Couldn’t see the fuss, he had one hot streak in Germany and Madrid spunked a fortune, madness.


3.) 20 Jun 2021 11:55:01
Worth noting some of the other players who have had similar hot streaks in the Bundesliga, such as Haller and Werner and both have been absolutely rubbish in England, Keita looked like the next Iniesta in Germany as well. Makes you wonder whether spending all that money on Haaland and Sancho will be such a good idea after all👀.


4.) 20 Jun 2021 11:44:53
Parallels with how Andy Carroll's early career went. Good season. Big move. Bad attitude. Unfulfilled potential.


5.) 20 Jun 2021 13:48:21
Difference with Haaland is that you can see he is world class by the eye and not looking at stats. His champions league and international record are also ridiculous.


6.) 20 Jun 2021 13:53:36
That’s why you have to allow players to perform over a decent amount of time before deciding whether to pull the trigger on signing them.


7.) 20 Jun 2021 14:00:50
Some players seem to take to some leagues and sides like duck to water and then some massively struggle. You could make an endless list of players to back this up. British players are always overhyped but they are probably the lowest nationality that play their football away from their shores. I’m sure If some of the so called British legends had tried their luck in Spain or Italy etc then they might have been thought of as overhyped or flops as well.


8.) 20 Jun 2021 16:23:10
JK23, this is why I like the fact that Paul since moved to the ten best league in the world at the time meaning, the Serie A. Same with David Platt. They went there and proved themselves to be the real deal, not just overhyped British players. I wish that happened a lot more cos England have some good players who can actually hack it overseas like Bellingham and to some not others, Sancho.


 

 

15 Jun 2021 21:33:54
Good to see the magic sponge has made a come back in the France v Germany game.

stuie_boy

1.) 16 Jun 2021 10:26:53
The magic sponge never went away, Stuie. It has just been hiding in a tube of savlon for a few years ;-)


2.) 16 Jun 2021 10:59:45
Broke my ankle playing in my early teens and that magic sponge was the only thing keeping my leg together.


3.) 16 Jun 2021 15:16:15
OP, it was replaced with the magic spray. It never left.


 

 

25 May 2021 14:41:20
Hi Ed's, with the end of the PL season upon us, it got me thinking. Has there been any thoughts on hosting another Liverpool Rumours football match? Obviously things are up in the air at the minute, but is one being planned for next year at all? I have been abroad for the last ones but will be moving back to the UK for a time and would be keen to get involved and raise some money for good causes.

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - Next year perhaps.}


1.) 25 May 2021 18:29:00
I am in training as we speak Ed002.Lift glass 2,3 bend elbow 2,3 order another pint 2,3😃.


 

 

02 May 2021 09:30:36
Just looking ahead to today's game, I had no idea our record away to united was so poor, haven't won at OT since 2014 and Klopp has never won away to United. We've only won one of the last 15 away games to united as well. Considering how good we've been and how poor united were for a few season, that really surprised me. Hopefully it all changes today!

stuie_boy

1.) 02 May 2021 09:50:19
We freeze like rabbits in the head lights. Today will hopefully be different as no crowd in.


2.) 02 May 2021 09:59:44
If we had a full strength squad I would fancy us for this one without a crowd.
It’s got a 1-1 draw kind of feel though. Or a 3-1 to United.


3.) 02 May 2021 11:43:18
I think man utd will beat us convincingly. We will have a spell where we will dominate and create lots of chances and we might even score but then Utd will then dominate, and if klopp plays Fabinho as a CB, we are going to get battered!


4.) 02 May 2021 12:09:11
No chance it’s going to change today. We’re weak in defence, weak in midfield and toothless up front. If they get an early goal I can see it being a cricket score.


5.) 02 May 2021 12:19:06
well, who knows team. We've been dominating for a few years, especially while manU have gone through their barren run. yet we haven't really put them to the sword. SO maybe while we're having a downer, we'll turn up for this one and put them away. I'm backing the team!


 

 

28 Apr 2021 19:21:46
Ed002, I had a look and couldn't find a Spurs page through the drop down, so thought I'd ask here. IS there any interest in Kane at all? I know it isn't LFC related as we wouldn't be in for him, but I would be interested to know if anything had been discussed outside of Spurs. He is obviously a great player, no doubt, and with all the hype around Mbappe, Haaland et al, it seems Kane could almost slide under the radar.

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - Kane won’t be moving to Liverpool I am afraid.}


1.) 28 Apr 2021 21:41:29
I wouldn't want kane. Good goal scorer but doesn't turn up in the big games. Who will be able sign him. Mbappe is my favourite and I would go all out for him if we had the money.


2.) 28 Apr 2021 22:03:39
Yes, I stated in my post that we wouldn't be in for him, so was asking if any other clubs had shown interest as there is no Spurs page.

{Ed002's Note - There is a Spurs page.}


3.) 28 Apr 2021 22:20:03
I wonder if stuie is related to the lookout on the Titanic.


4.) 28 Apr 2021 22:33:01
It's all about supply and demand Stuie. On the balance of traffic on the site, there is more demand for a Biscuit Banter page, than a Spurs Banter page.

{Ed0666's Note - Spurs are very much like a soggy biscuit so it a great anology and very apt.


5.) 29 Apr 2021 07:31:26
So there is, despite me even writing Spurs myself, I was looking for Tottenham. Apologies Ed002, I shall scurry over.


 

 

 

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04 Apr 2021 11:22:15
Great thread by the way, good to have some differing opinions argued out properly! Having read all the posts, there is obviously a big split between fans of who should be sold.
My two cents worth: People need to also Co aider the bigger picture overall in that our front three are all nearing their 30's (makes it sound old! ) during one of the worst years in modern football financially. Realistically, a shake up if the squad is required, and not just at the front. Our midfield is also in a similar age bracket and the club have to be extremely careful to maintain the last few years success, and the only way to do that is by refreshing the squad with quality.
It is well known LFC do not have the funds of other big clubs, so it is vital that the club raise money through sales to afford this quality. Unfortunately, with the emergence of Haaland and Mbappe, it has probably taken the attention of Mané and Salah by the big spenders, who have now put their financial focus on the other two.
That may be a good thing for some fans, but it also likely means if bids were to even come in for one of our front three, it will likely not be anywhere near the valuation we fans expect.
I think the club is about to arrive at a cross road and needs to make some very smart decisions ions to secure the next 5-10 years of success. Yes, we have some good youngsters coming through, but the next 2 transfer windows will be huge for LFC in my opinion and the only way to do that is by selling a high value asset or two.

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20 Jan 2021 19:18:47
I lived in MK for years and he was well known in the local area. Played in the same team as some of his good mates. The rumour is Spurs chucked in a rather nice auto mobile as a golden handshake to convince him to sign, which he gladly accepted.

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21 Oct 2020 11:33:18
The fickleness of fans is unbelievable. "they need to sell ASAP"? Really. A few weeks ago everyone was on here raving about FSG. Fans need to get over this issue of owners not wanting the best for the club. Football is a business and always will be. What top 6 club is owned by a "local" fan? If FSG are only interested in money, common sense says they will leave the club in a healthy state in order to maximize their sell on profit.

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06 Oct 2020 20:20:26
Plus, you have to remember there are thousands of agents worldwide and it would be interesting to see what percentage make more than the average salary in their own countries. We only hear of the small minority no doubt who are making millions.

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21 May 2020 01:46:18
Hi Ed, great answers. It appears from the outside the PL is hesitant to make a decision for whatever reason. Didn't they just appoint a new Chief Exec? Would this not be an ideal time for a new leader to step up and make authoritative decisions on matters such as H&S and salary caps? I know you say countries are different around Europe, but why not make a statement and lead from the front, introduce it in the PL. For the 'best league' in the world, it seems like no one is prepared to take a leap, or is there just too many politics involved and too many/ much invested to take risks like that?

stuie_boy

{Ed002's Note - He has no powers to do such things. The power is in the voting members.}


 

 

 

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20 Jun 2021 09:13:03
I disagree Ed. As mentioned, we are talking about his national team performances. Is he also now unhappy there as well? I agree, abuse is never warranted, but respectful criticism is more than justified.
If an employee is unhappy in a job, they move jobs and I'm sorry, but if he is truly unhappy, mental health is more important than 'ludrucous wages'. You speak like he is some sort of political prisoner held against his will.

stuie_boy

{Ed0666's Note - I misconstrued you’re post mate I was talking about him not wanting to be at United not playing for the national team. He’s no political prisoner yet he is an economical one. Millions of footballers would not move on the contract he’s on because we’ll let’s face it who would? In his mind he’s probably thinking only one more year of Ole to bear and then I’m done. It’s a reasonable musing given the situation


 

 

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20 Jun 2021 09:31:51
Shame really, cheers Ed.

stuie_boy

{Ed001's Note - very welcome stuie.}


 

 

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16 Jun 2021 13:57:38
Was the same on Manchester and some of the far North areas of England I believe Longthing.

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15 Jun 2021 16:05:11
A very good friend of mine, his Dad used to either lead or co-lead the Arsenal firm in it's hey day. I have no interest in that side of the game so don't know the full details, but needless to say, his dad is not a pleasant one to say the least. He would regularly bring the violence home with him. No reason why anyone involved in that should be celebrated, Liverpool included.

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12 Jun 2021 12:52:59
Obviously my wages were not comparable to a PL footballers, but when I worked in Oz and NZ, I was always paid weekly. Was so much better than a monthly pay cheque and now I'm back in Europe. I'm back on monthly and can't stand it!

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