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19 Aug 2021 10:00:35
Morning Ed002, I remember you saying LFC had interest in Hoppe from Schalke and it is now being reported that Everton could sign him for as little as £4m. Have we acted on our interest and would he be considered a player to challenge for a starting spot, I don't know much about him (MK - feel free to report! )?


{Ed002's Note - Matthew Hoppe (S) American youngster has been advised to stay in Germany although Schalke are likely sell him in the summer. However, he has attracted interest from a number of sides including Everton, Barcelona and Spurs and the feeling is in the States that FSG might look to having him recruited for Liverpool as he is one of the up-and-coming American players. Certainly, clubs have been scouting him and recent form has been good. I don't see that he would be a starter for any of the leading clubs and unless paying well over the odds a Work Permit may be an issue in England.}

1.) 19 Aug 2021 10:31:16
I think at £4m it’s worth a punt. Loan him back out to Schalke so he gets regular first team football and go from there.

{Ed002's Note - That is not going to happen.}

2.) 19 Aug 2021 11:19:57
With our transfer budget. It’s No hoppe.

3.) 19 Aug 2021 11:52:33
Not a Hoppe in hell we'd sign him!

4.) 19 Aug 2021 14:34:59
Thanks Ed, interesting take on the FSG feelings towards the signing. Are they pushing LFC as a market in the US? If so, a signing like Hoppe would attract fan interest State side.

{Ed002's Note - The feeling in the US is that they should recruit an American player if they can.}

5.) 19 Aug 2021 14:53:17
Should have bought dest when he was in Holland and moved Trent into midfield if that’s the case. Could probably get him from Barcelona now with all their money troubles.

6.) 19 Aug 2021 15:47:38
Interesting on American players. Big fan of Weston Mckennie from Juve. Would be a nice addition to the midfield. Good Gini replacement and I think Juve are open to offers.

{Ed002's Note - He has only moved this summer.}

7.) 19 Aug 2021 16:10:47
Christian Pulisic would have been our best American option.

8.) 19 Aug 2021 16:48:30
I really like Hoppe. Young and with a good motor. Was the best player on the US squad during the Gold Cup in my opinion.

I tend to agree that staying in Germany may be long term, but it would be fun to see him in England like Sargent.

9.) 19 Aug 2021 19:56:51
The US must be a huge potential talent pool?
Massive population and many awesome athletes, albeit soccer is far from number one sport out there.
But, with the game growing, I can really see the US being a future source of talent.
I’d certainly like to see FSG look at this, if they’re not already doing so.

10.) 19 Aug 2021 20:53:49
If only that Clint Dempsey transfer had come off!

11.) 20 Aug 2021 00:44:21
Juicer, believe it or not it’s the most played sport in the US by a long shot. We did coin the phrase “soccer mom”. I know it had the most registered players over any other sport for year after year. I think the biggest problem is that as kids get older and into high school (14/ 15 years of age) the sport isn’t as attractive for nailing down scholarships etc., sports in general here is a huge business within the under 18’s for both boys and girls. Sadly many of the parents think their kids will get a scholarship for college but in reality few do, and many of the scholarships aren’t even a drop in the bucket. My wife is going to Bard College in NY, she got a full scholarship, definitely not an athletic one. The tuition there is $75k per year…. that’s not a typo. So most kids go into baseball/ softball/ basketball/ football/ golf…golf is a big one too….



19 Aug 2014 13:12:59
So apparently Suarez went for £65 million quid, not £75m. Absolute outrage, Ayre should be sacked, as well as Rodgers, and Gerrard and the lady who makes the teas at Melwood while we are at it


{Ed002's Note - The total amount that went to Liverpool after a small payment to Ajax, converted in to Sterling at today's rate, is a £62M and change. There would then be a few other costs that the club has to pay - and that would need to be deducted. I did explain this at the time, so can we finally now put this to bed.}

1.) 19 Aug 2014 14:14:47
Thanks a lot for the figure ed
hope it finally ends all the suarez figures saga

{Ed002's Note - It is actually the same figure I gave at the time, but it has now appeared in the UEFA database.}

2.) Alot of us don't really factor in agent fees and a lot of these fees are documented in the annual reports. In some cases, there weren't. In the case of Suarez, we do not know what the proportions were. Even if it was 75m, LFC won't get 75m in total and I imagine something in the line of 65m would sound rather reasonable.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona were responsible for the agent fees as buyers. You are making numbers up.}

3.) 19 Aug 2014 15:14:57
Is the UEFA database something that is publicly accessible, Ed002? Doesn't seem so as I can't seem to find it if it is?

{Ed002's Note - It is not in the public domain but those that provide the start of season data to Transfermarkt use that data. It is maintained as part of a commercial database that has to be purchased (newspapers, clubs, television companies, press agencies etc. buy it). It is maintained on a regular basis although some (like Transfermarkt) don't take the updates so I would not entirely rely on their data.}

4.) 19 Aug 2014 15:17:51
Yet again another reason why we never ask figures on the forum, when will the lads totally understand that this is not an easy issue to understand if not in the thick of things, thanks for the response though Ed002

{Ed002's Note - As a reminder for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).

5.) 19 Aug 2014 16:44:04
Big deal, I used to care about how much we spend and wages for the club and ect. But to be fair we are not the owners, we don't spend the money ourselves and also we don't even get to pick our targets. So why do we care?

{Ed002's Note - You should care that the club is well run from a financial perspective. Portsmouth, Leeds, etc..}

6.) 19 Aug 2014 17:40:34
They are professional business men, funding their own money. They are the best people for it. the person who will be most angry in losing millions is the board more than the fans its there money lol they will do what's best for own company. no need to worry.

7.) Suarez as gone its time to move on. I think ed2 said at the time the only one to blame why we didn't get more for Suarez was the man himself and his behavior. As I say time for a new star to be born.

8.) 19 Aug 2014 19:28:17
Thanks, Ed002. Makes sense.

9.) 19 Aug 2014 23:09:28
So we only got 15m more for Suarez than Chelsea got for for David luiz.Sounds wrong but a player that wants to go and tends to get himself in trouble too much 40m profit we will take that and move on imo.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty certain that this is nothing to do with Chelsea. Why this embarrassing obsession?}

10.) 20 Aug 2014 04:13:40
Ed002, I seem to recall at the time of the Suarez transfer you said the fee was £72 million give or take a few hundred thousand £'s.

{Ed002's Note - It was £63M and that was discussed at the time.}

11.) 20 Aug 2014 11:50:27
There is no obsession with Chelsea Ed002 I was simply making sense of transfer prices of players 1 being 1 of the best players in the world and the other being average imo, but I do think Suarez behaviour brought our price down its just luiz did leave Chelsea so they got mentioned

{Ed002's Note - The price of a central defender sold by Chelsea has no relevance to the price of a striker sold by Liverpool nor the height of the Delhi Dynamos' goalkeeper.}



19 Aug 2014 11:18:32
Hi Ed/s, what's happening with Luis Alberto? I see Llori has gone on loan, any news on Alberto? I would be quite interested to see him get some cup games


{Ed002's Note - He has gone. Moved to Malaga for a year and then I would think will be sold next summer.}

1.) If he has a really good season, do you still think we'll sell him ed?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't think he is in the plans going forward any more than the majority of the players Rodgers has purchased.}

2.) I thought he was one for the future? Any idea what happened EDs?

{Ed002's Note - My views on many of the purchases of BR have been explained. Take the search engine for a run.}

3.) I would add Ilori, Assaidi and Borini to the 'weird transfer decisions' pile along with Sahin. Not sure what the deal is with Sakho either. Have to agree that thus far, by and large, we seem to spend a fair amount of money rather ineffectively.

4.) I'd like to see Llori given a chance at Liverpool, he's only 20/21. I've got a lot of Spanish mates, Granada and Sevilla fans mainly, and they feel he has a lot of potential. Can't say I have seen much of him myself though.

5.) Luis Alberto was done for drink driving as well - not a great way to endear yourself to the coaching staff.

6.) I believe Llori is considered "one for the future" and possibly for next season.
I think the hope is he pushes on while at Boudreaux and can possibly stake a claim next season.

On another note. I have to agree that most of BR signings haven't worked out and not surprised a committee make the decisions now.

Eds, do you think that BR gives a wish list to the committee or possibly just a list of positions that need strengthening? Does it then just mean the committee are the "directors of football" and didn't Rodgers not want that when he was at appointed?

7.) Ilori imo.



06 Aug 2014 13:14:12
Manquillo signed on loan. 2 years or one?


1.) Two year loan with the option to buy after the first year

2.) 06 Aug 2014 13:46:58
2 with an option to buy at the end of year one

Very strange

3.) Initially 2 years but with an option to buy after the first year

4.) 06 Aug 2014 14:00:18
2 Years. Liverpool have the option to make it permenant on a fee after one year.

5.) That is a strange one. In his interview he seemed to hint that he wants to stay 'for many years'.

6.) Read elsewhere we have the option to buy after the second year, Atletico have the option to pay a penalty and take the player back after 1 year. No idea if that's true or not though.

7.) Don't think its that strange, other than why AM would want to let him go if he is so good - maybe he always dreamed of the EPL?

Clearly Liverpool & Manquillo expect it to be a long term stay, but we have an option not to buy him if he doesn't perform.




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11 Nov 2021 13:30:23
As it's a slow news day, can anyone give a run down of how the players are doing on loan? Anyone see much of Ben Davies to comment on how he has done?


1.) 11 Nov 2021 16:03:50
Not really followed any of them apart from Seppy at preston from reports and a few highlights I've seen they are really happy with him he has played a lot of his football there at RB/ RWB I believe his last few games he has started at CB, only other one I can think of is Glatzel got two goals and a assist last week.

2.) 11 Nov 2021 16:52:09
I can vouch for that. My son lives near Preston so takes his lad to watch them. He said that VDB is a class above anything else in the team, even when playing out of position at wing back. He’s beefed up as well and is a proper unit now.

3.) 11 Nov 2021 18:53:36
I watched him at Bournemouth game and he looked decent. Good on the ball and calm.

4.) 11 Nov 2021 19:37:02
Ben Woodburn got a couple last for hearts the second in particular was a nice finish. I believe glatzels 2 goals recently were his first but he's played predominantly out wide. Think Davies is a regular starter for Sheffield utd. Ojo not tearing up many trees.

I know leighton Clarkson has so far made 6 championship appearances for Blackburn. I know his debut was considered to have went well not sure on how he's progressed since.



20 Oct 2021 11:13:34
On a side note, it's good to see Solanke doing so well for Bouremouth this year. Was a tough time for him at LFC but looks like he's foung a good place.


1.) 20 Oct 2021 12:23:46
On the flipside I'm kinda gutted for how things are going for Brewster, big things expected and he can't even get on the pitch at the bottom of the championship.

2.) 20 Oct 2021 12:57:58
Yeah, so much promise around him wasn't there. Still very young at 21, so hopefully things work out for him. I think we put in a buy-back clause of £40m from memory as well.

{Ed002's Note - No, there is no buy back clause. There was a sell on clause that Liverpool owed to Chelsea.}

3.) 20 Oct 2021 13:20:13
Ah ok, thanks Ed002. I did very nearly type 'I'm sure Ed002 will correct me on this. '!

Ed002, by the way, great shout on the Armagnac Castarède, I went for the 1980, very nice, though I do still think Delord nicks it!



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27 Aug 2021 09:07:55
Just went to the West Ham page and seen someone asked how Ed002 knows what he knows. gentleman adventurer and part time rodeo clown, classic. Anyway, Ed002, with WH reportedly keen on Zouma for £26m, have they not shown interest in Phillips at all? I feel he would be a great signing for a team like WH and would cost half of what Chelsea are asking for Zouma.


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool were asking too much.}



11 Aug 2021 14:13:54
Hi Ed002, I wanted to ask a question regarding 'free' transfers without getting too complicated. With PSG recently signing a handful of top class players on a free (for simplicity, we will call it a free) and tipped to do the same with Pogba next season, do you think we wil see a rise in the number of players running down contracts in order to secure a big money move? I assume when a player is signed on a free, the associated fees are paid directly to the player and their agent, making it more lucrative for them as individuals as opposed to being sold by their respective club?
Thanks as always.


{Ed002's Note - No, I would doubt you will see more. You will always have a few who let their contracts run down and some clubs who let contracts run down, but it won't become a tactic.}

1.) 11 Aug 2021 15:23:59
it is stunning what PSG have been able to do this summer. this number of quality "free" signings has to be an anomaly and I wonder if it's to do with C.V.-impacted finances? Perhaps some selling clubs just can't do anything if buyers can't stump up?

2.) 11 Aug 2021 16:03:10
Imagine signing the captain of Real Madrid and Barcelona in the same window.

3.) 11 Aug 2021 16:33:25
But a these players past there peak?

4.) 11 Aug 2021 17:12:28
I doubt they would be called free transfers if you could see the sign on fees and agents fees associated with them.

{Ed025's Note - very much so mate..

5.) 11 Aug 2021 17:59:04
Would love to know how much these transfers actually cost when fees and wages are included.

6.) 11 Aug 2021 18:26:00
Except for the keeper, is anyone that impressed with these signings really? Ramos - 35 (? ), Messi - 34, Wijnaldum - 30. Sound to me like the signings of an American Soccer team and all on stupid money - I read earlier that PSG may have to sell 10 players to cover the cost of these 'free' transfers. It's like fantasy football in Europe's 4th best league.

7.) 11 Aug 2021 18:38:52
I heard a report that Messi will be wages of €1m per week at PSG!?

8.) 11 Aug 2021 19:01:22
Seen the same thing, Juicer. Not really impressed with these retirees PSG are signing BUT only time will tell if they are the right players for them to win the CL cos that’s why they were brought in along with Gini and Donaruma.

9.) 11 Aug 2021 20:48:21
I very much expect messi to tear the french league apart. got to give credit where credit is due and the guy is an ultimate freak of nature. Fair play to Ramos as well he keeps himself in unbelievable condition (similar to our very own Milner) . Perhaps these 2 signings might teach Neymar and Mbappe a thing or 2 about professionalism as Neymar (most of his career) and Mbappe (recent reports) are big time Charlie’s.
PSG in Europe will be brilliant going forward but don’t expect much defensive work from the frontline.

{Ed025's Note - i wont be giving any respect to messi JK, great player but a bully..

10.) 11 Aug 2021 21:30:13
Ed025 I didn’t realise that mate. I know he had a lot of power with the Barcelona board but didn’t realise he was a bully. I think if you scratch beneath the surface of a lot of successful or in positions of power people you will find far more skeletons in their closet. Egotistical people are normally ruthless.

{Ed025's Note - your spot on there JK..

11.) 11 Aug 2021 23:06:14
My favourite Messi moment?

12.) 12 Aug 2021 04:15:14
Juicer, he had agreed to double that with Barcelona (100 million per year), until La Liga pulled the plug on the deal. What a show he put on for the media and then went and signed for somebody else two days later.

13.) 12 Aug 2021 07:17:06
25, can you elaborate on the bully part? Interested. Thanks mate.

{Ed025's Note - hes not well liked marty and is seen as a big time charlie, especially by the youngsters at barcelona who he treated with disdain mate, you will find more about it on the net..

14.) 12 Aug 2021 00:25:17
ed2 - whether a transfer fee is involved in a player purchase, does that make a difference to the signing or agent fees?

{Ed002's Note - No - they are open for negotiation.}

15.) 12 Aug 2021 12:15:02
Ed25, I knew Messi was a bully for a long time now. The reason Barcelona are broke is partly because of him using his power over the fans and threats of departing as leverage to milk them dry all those years. At Barca, You either had to get with him, his programme and his clique in the DR at Barcelona or you were left out in the cold. There's a reason Suarez ran to him and did ALL that was possible to be his best mate.

Why? IMO, he saw what happened to Zlatan when he arrived at Barcelona and would not defer to Messi cos well, he is Zlatan. What happened to Zlatan? He got left out in the cold and eventually got sold esp. cos according to him, Pep took Messi's side and treated him in a very passive aggressive manner that Pep is known for (just ask Samuel Et'o) . This is just my opinion, btw.

{Ed025's Note - your right oli, he also picked the side in some instances and if he didn,t rate you you never played, he had far too much influence mate and im sure quite a few are glad to see the back of him..




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17 Nov 2021 14:12:11
VVVV - we cannot compete for the top players. you mean like the world record GK and CB we purchased.? I get your point, but come one, it's a bit drastic. LFC will always be able to compete for top players.




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10 Nov 2021 23:00:18
Matip was a free transfer and Robbo was £8m. They must have been for the reserves ;)




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10 Nov 2021 13:59:27
Faith - every time a Gini story is told, he gets better and better. It's like an old fishermans story!




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09 Nov 2021 16:14:32
Think it was MK Scouser who was pushing Bowen a few months back, and took some stick for it from memory. I think he would be a decent player and further strengthen the squad. Would imagine a fairly decent price would be required though.




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25 Oct 2021 09:30:19
VVVV you really need to stop stati g how 'little' the club will get for him as if it's fact. It's is literally just your opinion. You, like everyone else on here, has no insight into the actual numbers being discussed. Has ever occurred to anyone that the club may not be able to physically afford what he's asking for? LFC is a business and has financial limits, they can't just magic up money. When we bought the current best player in the world, he was a 'Chelsea reject' who couldn't make it in the PL. Great players come and go, and LFC make them. If Salah does leave, the club will carry on.





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02 Dec 2021 13:42:18
I think people are getting a little ahead of themselves here. LFC have given it just as much as Everton have in the past. Last night didn't have any malicious tackles compared to previous years and frustration is expected when getting well beaten by anyone, let alone your local rivals. Also, fair play to Ed025, he hasn't hidden from any of it and has taking it in his stride. I personally miss the days where the derby was tightly contested, made it exciting watching it with my dad who's a blue, now I just feel sorry for him!


{Ed025's Note - we dont want your sympathy stuie, we want your players mate.. :)



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30 Nov 2021 21:05:41
I am clinging onto the hope that by June 2033 we might get a small window of opportunity for a game, we can use it as a chance to celebrate Ed025's 93rd birthday as well.


{Ed001's Note - I am sure they will have found new reasons to lock people away by then mate.}



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30 Nov 2021 20:57:02
Ed's, any update on the footie match? Keen for a kick about and raising some money.


{Ed001's Note - I don't think there will be one for a while yet mate. Not with the new Transformers virus about, you are likely to be going into lockdown again by the looks of things.}



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29 Nov 2021 20:44:31
As opposed to that old man Trent eh Mark, all down hill from 23 ;)




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29 Nov 2021 15:27:37
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