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17 Sep 2017 20:55:07
Ed01, I read your match review and it was excellent. Also, thank you for spotting Migs' mistake on the goal. I thought I was the only one that saw it. As the high ball went towards TAA, I saw Migs shuffling over to the left corner of the 6 yard box. I said to myself, "Dude, what are you on about"? Then, Brady wins the header, Matip and Klavan don't communicate, Migs starts to shuffle back to his left and Arfield scores. I blamed him first before anyone else as it happened. Why did he go out to the corner of the 6 yard box? Who does that when the ball goes wide like that? He then, shuffles back, feet not set and the goal goes past him. Had he kept his position all the way, he would have had his feet set and had a better chance at saving the shot even tho, he has difficulty getting down to the ground hence, he gets beat at his near post a lot.
Frankly, Migs is no longer possible anymore. It simply no longer is. Don't let the pundits fool you, mate. Whenever he plays, they say he's not good enuff and then Migs get hooked like vs Arsenal or Seville, they come back and say he has done nothing wrong to warrant being dropped. Both of those cannot be true at the same time. Impossible!
Klopp needs to end this crap right now. We know he does not rate him so bin him, put Karius in as he rates him and let the culling begin. As long as he is in goal, we will always concede cos he will make a mistake leading to a goal and will never make the save you don't expect him to make to bail us out of a jam like yesterday, which is the job of a GK to begin with. Cheers, my friend.
1.) 17 Sep 2017 21:18:41
Where did you read Klopp does not rate Migs? I expect him to play again next Saturday against Leicester.
2.) 17 Sep 2017 21:21:58
I actually saw that at the time and then ended up forgetting about it by this morning. Ty for the reminder Ed001.
I said during the week when he was dropped for Sevilla, he's a shocking goalkeeper. No command of the area. Poor from crosses. Can't pass the ball. And he doesn't make quality saves. Simple fact is if Migs stops making errors for ever, he's still barely a Premier League goalie. Karius and Ward have the potential to be good goalies if given the chance. It's mind boggling that Migs continues to play and I don't really understand what Klopp's doing here.
It couldn't be a case that he doesn't rate Karius and Ward, or else he'd have sold at least one of them. Maybe he's trying to protect them from criticism for a bit longer? But I think it's time one of them just was just given the first choice role, and they make a mistake, they'll be given a chance to come back from it.
3.) 17 Sep 2017 21:25:00
Bingo might be inferring it from the fact that one of Klopp's first signings was a goalie. It would be nice if he used said goalie.
4.) 17 Sep 2017 21:26:23
That's the other thing that worries me. The rotation of gks can't be good can it? I'd like Karius to be given the shirt all season, we are better from set pieces with loris. I don't know why but we are so dodgy from corners with migs. I don't know if it's coincidence or what.
5.) 17 Sep 2017 21:30:21
No doubt Klopp needs to drop Mignolet but he was not entirely at fault for the goal. I do not know what was up with Klavan when it looked like he was running over to Matip to give him a hug.
There simply is no communication at the back.
To fix the problems, the problems need to be removed starting with Mignolet who has been a problem ever since he joined Liverpool.
He simply is not good enough and will never be. Klopp needs to pull the trigger otherwise defensively, nothing will change for us.
6.) 17 Sep 2017 21:25:42
He does not rate Migs, never has as that is the reason that Karius is here in the first place. If you think he will dump Karius for the disaster that we all can see then you are deluding yourself. Klopp is slowly getting Karius games to get him ready for taking over the spot. We all just want it to be done sooner rather than later. Just my opinion. Ed01, can you inform us more on this issue?
{Ed001's Note - he knows Mignolet is not good enough and Karius was bought to replace him. Ward impressed massively on loan and has moved ahead of Migs in Klopp's long term thinking. I will be very surprised if Mignolet does not leave next summer, unless he has changed his mind about being a back up.}
7.) 17 Sep 2017 21:38:54
Best goalie at the club is Grabara.
8.) 17 Sep 2017 21:40:29
@Something
May be. But what's this ". we know he doesn't rate him. " except the CL games Klopp has played Migs in all league matches. If he doesn't rate him he would have sold him in the summer!
9.) 17 Sep 2017 21:40:39
Klavan ran over to Matip because Matip had let himself be caught the wrong side of Wood and wasn't strong enough to recover. If Klavan hadn't come over, Wood would've been able to get a shot off instead of passing it.
It's all well and good to say it was a mistake because Arfield scored, but Klavan saw his defensive partner getting rinsed, and did what he's supposed to do, got over to help. If Matip had done his job right, Klavan doesn't come across.
10.) 17 Sep 2017 21:44:13
Bingo, I'm glad you mentioned the word communicate.
11.) 17 Sep 2017 22:01:23
Could be worse, we could have the lad that Everton have between the sticks 😂😂😂.
12.) 17 Sep 2017 22:18:08
Something Red, Wood almost missed the ball and did not look like he was going to get a shot out of the situation. Wood read the situation well with seeing Klavan leaving it wide open for Arfield.
Klavan should have stayed, instead he he did nothing to make it easier for Mignolet.
13.) 17 Sep 2017 22:47:53
Klopp should stop trying to protect players or rest players and just concentrate on winning football matches ðŸ¤.
14.) 18 Sep 2017 00:43:12
To be fair there were multiple errors,
- TAA gets beaten in the air (hardly surprising as a young kid against a bull)
- Matip then gets his positioning wrong as not goal side and ball goes over him
- Klavan sees the problem but makes a decision to help out when might have done better to leave Matip to himself
- Emre Can is defensive mid but is caught ball watching, doesn't track Arfield and leaves a gaping hole top of the box
- Robbo doesn't cover the run either
- Migs doesn't have his feet set to make the save
Of them all, I can understand Klavan's better than the others (except TAA) . Even if he made a poor decision and didn't get there, at least he tried to help out Matip. Can is probable the worst culprit IMO as so switched off.
15.) 18 Sep 2017 01:01:49
Agree with ed01. I think he would have been sold this summer if not for his decent form at the end last season. Would have been a bit of a kick in the teeth to unload him after he did so much to help us finish fourth. It's a difficult one and thinking with your heart I keep him, thinking with my head he shouldve gone. I'm just guessing however.
16.) 18 Sep 2017 02:20:17
Pretty spot on, SGRed, at least for me. Klavan's positioning is a bit suspect, but given Matip has the strength of a newborn kitten and is terrible at headers, I suspect he's just doing his best to cover. Can letting his runner go and watching him put it in the back of the net is really the big problem though for me.
{Ed001's Note - for me the big problem is and always will be the keeper. A top class keeper is set and saves it, Migs is still going the other way, after going walkabout and still gets close to it. Start from the back, keeper should be our priority. Until we get a better keeper we will always have issues.}
17.) 18 Sep 2017 09:04:06
Spot on, Ed. The GK screwed up at the very start which led him screwing up at the very end of that play that led to the goal. Migs does the dumbest things as a GK that I wonder how he even became one at the highest level. On that play and regardless of what the outfield players did, a good GK would NEVER have done what Migs did at the start. NEVER. A good GK should be bailing his team mates out hen they screw up as he is the last line of defence which is why GK's are very concentrated and are leaders cos in the end, they hate conceding. Migs is a poor GK with a poor attitude.
Also, look at the shambles btw Can and Klavan that led to the corner. They both go for the ball. A good GK would have yelled "Leave it" and come off the line to get the ball to calm things down. What does he do? He stays there, keeps quiet and both players collide. On the corner, Mee almost scores but Matip clears off the line. Why is Matip tracking back to do that? Could it be cos the GK was caught in no man's land off his line? See how poor the guy is overall? He made 4 mistakes in that game that could have led to us losing all 3 points YET many will come here and say he did ok. Pathetic!
18.) 18 Sep 2017 10:44:20
I find it difficult to settle on any individual when there are so many errors being made. the corner we conceded in the 80th minute when klavan and Can contrived to go for the same ball with no Burnley player in site summed up our problems in a nutshell - no leadership, no communicators. if we could get in someone who's best ability was his ability to talk and direct, that would do it for me!
17 Sep 2017 18:46:37
I disagree. Everton were the better team for most of that game and had they had a real striker, they would have scored 2/ 3 goals today b4 Utd woke up. Now, this shows how poor Utd was during the whole game overall. Ed25, I know it hurts right now BUT take heart as your boys were very good today.
{Ed025's Note - we played better than we have been bingo but scoring goals is still a massive problem for us, that and our dfence being as bad as yours means we will always concede as well mate..
1.) 17 Sep 2017 19:08:38
For large parts of the game.
2.) 17 Sep 2017 19:42:57
That's a typical Jose performance. You don't win matches for being a better team. You win when you score more goals than opposition. Everton has no pace up front or at the back. Only god knows why lookman doesn't get a snif in. Mirallas should have started as well. And Siggurdson is not a wide player.
Jose Mourinho's team doesn't dominate possession. that's not his style and never ever had been.
UTD had complete control of the match and had Lukaku not missed an open goal it would have been over by 45ts. Over to you Ed025.
{Ed025's Note - i cant disagree harry..
3.) 17 Sep 2017 19:51:41
Mourinho doesn't care a duck about possession. He laughs at those stats. He would do a Burnley against Burnley lol. You could see on his face. He is enjoying.
No drama! No moaning and no excuses! It's his team. If good football is 99% possession and no goals then it's laughable!
Why don't you give a chance to lookman? The only lad in your whole team who has some pace!
4.) 17 Sep 2017 20:12:42
Harry, had Everton had a decent striker who could really feed off Roo's vision and guile, Utd would have been sunk today. They were lucky to get a point at Stoke as Stoke should have put 4 past that boring lot. Today, They were awful, one-paced and after Valencia's goal, NOBODY could really say where their goal would come from until Williams made his howler (the guy is worse than Klavan) . I felt sorry for Roo as the Utd defence crapped themselves every time he had the ball. Jones the best defender in England? Only a manc or a "football fan" would believe that nonsense. The guy is a joke and Bailly was no better even tho, I rate him. The only good player they have is Matic.
We will see if they win the PL or if Mou will start blaming me for all his issues cos there are issues in this team and NO, Klopp should NEVER bring that boring dross over to Anfield as we actually like scoring goals. We just have to be able to keep them out to the barest minimum.
5.) 17 Sep 2017 20:30:32
Ha ha great post bingored love a bit of utd bashing! To bash mourinio with the same stone makes it even better!
6.) 17 Sep 2017 20:30:58
Ha ha ha Oh Bingo I am in love with you man! Everton doesn't have that striker attest untill January. We will see how Everton fare against UTD in the return fixture. So UTD have only one good player that is Matic.
I like your deepest love for liverpool and I completely admire it But why so bitter mate. Just accept certain things and let it go! It's so wonderful! UTD are the most compete team in the league! It's as simple as that!
7.) 17 Sep 2017 21:13:08
How can you say that man? As a liverpool fan? I don't think I could get the words out. I agree with bingo coz he talks sense and understands how damaging it is to constantly knock liverpool's defence and call for klopp's head. Do you want us to win the league? Or would you rather tie red and white tassels on the cup and hand it to utd. They are not the most complete side in the league. At the beginning I thought we would win it, honestly I did. I still think we have a chance. (I personally keep faith until it is mathematically impossibe) but I'm worried about the cbs, they look shakey and lacking confidence big time. At this stage you have to say city look good. This is really early doors though and those writing off liverpool would've written chelsea off last year.
8.) 17 Sep 2017 21:16:18
Harry, we know you are a closet cough "manc" cough, I mean, Mou fan BUT just remember, WE (LFC) and Klopp (the one you are so bitter about) led by our capt. Jordan Henderson finished comfortably ahead of YOUR team last season after spending a quarter of what OUR team spent in the TW. FACT!
Oh btw, Mou is still yet to beat Klopp in the PL while Klopp was the catalyst that sent Mou packing from Chelsea, that other team you are in love with. FACT! In Fact, Kloppo owns Mou in the head to head games as well. FACT! He is so terrified of Klopp since Lewandowski put 4 past him and Real by BVB under the tutelage of you guessed it, Jurgen Klopp that he has to play 6 defenders to celebrate a point against him, FACT. Now, that was beautiful.
9.) 17 Sep 2017 21:19:49
Most complete team Harry? Lukaku is the player who has improved UTD the most. It will be very interesting to see how they cope should he pick up an injury.
Zlatan won't be back until next year either.
10.) 17 Sep 2017 21:30:38
I don't expect City to win the league. They have weaknesses. That is my opinion. lol I was the only one who wanted us to win the league and all you super liverpool fans told me to shut my mouth and be realistic about top 4 last season! You can't blame me for not strengthening the areas that needed to be strengthen. You can't blame me if the defense concedes silly goals.
As a liverpool fan? Let me hear what according to you is a Liverpool fan? what do you even know about other posters on this site? So please stop acting like the only liverpool supporter!
11.) 17 Sep 2017 21:34:13
I think they'll struggle without lukaku max. And as has been said a few times on here. they ain't played anyone decent yet. Stoke shouldve done em and Everton, despite the scoreline, shouldve got something. I'm not that worried about the utd games. It's the city's the spurs and Chelsea that will be the big tests. Utd are a europa league team really, especially without the big lad rom.
12.) 17 Sep 2017 21:40:51
There's nothing wrong with thinking critically and deciding that utd will win the league, I suppose. But it's the passion with which you support your claim that utd are great and lfc are dross. I personally don't think I could do that.
13.) 17 Sep 2017 21:46:18
Spot on Superred. Max, Harry is a manc and has been found out to be a manc after that reply he sent. It's over. The manc agent has been outed. Nowhere to hide anymore, Harry. It's over.
14.) 17 Sep 2017 21:49:02
Harry, but you are always complaining that we need a defensive midfielder when a defensive midfielder would unlikely have stopped us from conceding vs Burnley unless you can explain how a defensive midfielder would have when the ball was hoofed over our midfield, TAA made a has of it, along with Matip being bullied, Klavan being in nomansland and Mignolet doing what he does best, panic.
You drag attention your way Harry so please, do not make yourself out to be the victim.
15.) 17 Sep 2017 21:49:30
Max
I agree to some extent. But they did cope without Pogba today. And jose is not a man who wants his teams to score in abundance anyways. Score one and shut the shop! That's his style and someone from his team would nick a goal for him.
In terms of balance they are the best bet!
Bingo
I admire your optimism and has nothing but respect, but let's be real here! No one really bothers any head to head mate. We play for EPL trophy. 19 teams battle year in year out to win this trophy. Nothing else matters. 4 best teams gets an entry info CL.
Are we playing for something else?
16.) 17 Sep 2017 21:50:03
Liverpool did not spend a quarter of what Man Utd did last season. You are spouting nonsense again Bingo. Shocker.
17.) 17 Sep 2017 21:54:57
When you walk, through a storm, hold your head up high.
18.) 17 Sep 2017 21:56:00
I can't stand Mourhino but at the end of the day he gets results. He won the Europa League and the league cup and got United into the champions league in his first season.
I've sat watching Klopps Liverpool playing brilliant football at times but we've won nothing.
I was at the fa cup final in 2001 when we beat Arsenal 2-1. We were poor for lost of the game but ended up running out winners, I was absolutely buzzing leaving cardiff that night.
It's all about winning in my opinion .
19.) 17 Sep 2017 21:58:19
@Superred
Liverpool defense is dross! Show me if I have said the entire team is dross anywhere! I ll shave my head and walk from North Pole to South Pole naked 😄.
20.) 17 Sep 2017 22:07:28
Max
We need both mate. A top class midfielder who is poditiinslly sound ( you call him DM, FM, CM ) whatever.
General and not in context with Burnley match
When someone hoof the ball your center backs need to win it called the first ball and so what happens after that? The ball doesn't reach the sky. Does it? There comes the importance of positionally sound midfielder to win the second ball. Most of the times neither we win the first ball or the second ball.
21.) 17 Sep 2017 22:52:05
Cbs look shakey atm but I don't think they're as bad as they're being made out to be.
Fair enough wcd but you spend a lot of energy bigging up our fiercest rival.
There are three or four players who if you took them out of utd I think they would struggle to finish in the top ten. Utd have a decent spine but the rest are awful.
22.) 17 Sep 2017 23:26:20
What liverpool spent last year must be close to a quarter of utd budget? Be interesting to see the numbers.
23.) 17 Sep 2017 23:28:31
Instead of "we can't defend" I would have called myself "we can attack" or for the utd page "we can send you to sleep"
24.) 17 Sep 2017 23:30:44
As a United fan this thread is magic 😂 Bingo I understand and admire your hatred towards us as I feel the same about your lot! And superred91 you say about taking 4 players out of our team? Take out mane, firmino, coutinho and salah and your left with chuckle vision 😂😂 we are far from perfect but the bias is laughable 😂😂 Ps this is your year! ðŸ†ðŸ˜‚.
25.) 17 Sep 2017 23:33:18
Some of us need to give our head a shake, Everton were the better team, that may be so but a poorer team just spanked them for 4? United have surprised me so far this season and not in a way I'd like. Will it continue? Who knows, I hope not. But let's not be stupid and make claims about them being a poor side when clearly it isn't true.
26.) 18 Sep 2017 01:12:14
Sturridge lallana henderson Can and wijnaldum are "chuckle vision"? Lol. Good point bigred.
27.) 18 Sep 2017 02:14:20
No one has mentioned the numerous world class saves De Gea has made each match.
That's the biggest difference of all between the 2 clubs, The 'spine' of any team starts between the sticks.
A keeper of De geas quality probably means you have 30 less goals to score each year.
28.) 18 Sep 2017 01:23:09
I didn't say they were a poor side, I said they aren't a complete side. They have had a great start, their new forward is scoring plenty already and their super expensive mf is coming good (still a massive rip off) But they haven't been tested against a decent team yet. Therefore to say they are going to win the league is more than premature. I think without lukaku they are going to struggle for goals and punning your hopes on one player is very dangerous.
But that really isn't the point of this thread. The point was about lfc fans swooning over utd and knocking lfc. I personally couldn't bring myself to say some of the stuff that's been said. For me it goes past thinking critically.
Bigred, truce mate, how often are liverpool praised on the utd page? I dunno, never been on it, that's your site, boundaries w/ e. I bet it's rare to non existent.
29.) 18 Sep 2017 09:21:39
Big red and Stand, I don't care for your post nor have I ever cared for what a manc has to say esp. a Utd fan who says, "This is your year" as that just makes him sound clueless. Mouth off all you want BUT you were in the same position early last season and what happened? Ah that's right, we finished comfortably ahead of you in the PL and with the ref's help, you won the EFL Cup and played the Ajax academy in the EL final. Brilliant! Get over yourselves cos you ain't won squat yet and neither has any other team.
No one is saying Utd are a poor side. All I said was that they were poor today (regardless of the final score) cos had they had a striker like Stoke did, they would not have lost that game. The facts back me up on that. Also, I don't care what other teams do neither do I go on their sites their sites trashing them cos I'm not interested in any of that crap. Utd has a very good team BUT they can be gotten at and Stoke and Everton showed that in abundance. What will happen to them when they meet a team with more attacking talent or better attacking talent than Everton and Stoke? That will be the test. Till then, The Utd fans need to chill out and btw, you will never find me on a Utd site cos I have nothing to say on there. Have good day.
30.) 18 Sep 2017 10:47:37
I think we're getting this all wrong regards Mourinho. how can people say that nay manager doesn't want to win 4-0? the point is that these managers set up their team to be difficult to beat but from that structure they have the firepower to also move forward and score goals. can't complain with their results so far. and actually if you are complaining it just sounds like sour grapes lol
leave it till they come to anfield!
12 Sep 2017 19:47:10
This is for Ed25:
Ed25, this is regarding the post I put in below:
Ed25, Koeman played a defensive setup at Saints with Wanyama and Morgan in front of the defence, which made Lovren look good as he was well-protected. We don't play that way here hence, why he looks shaky at times.
Now Klopp used a DM in Kehl and then Bender or both in his early days in BVB. He then shifted to a DLP in Sahin when they won the league in 2011. At LFC, he does not use a true DM cos per ED01, he wants his midfield 3 to offer energy, press hard and defend as a group as soon as the ball is lost. This is the way we play the press cos if we press and the gaps are not filled in behind it, the press is useless and we become vulnerable. That is the way it is. If you want to argue about that, no issues there.
The CDM issue is just a pathetic misnomer and a false argument that brings nothing useful to the table. If you think a CDM would have helped us vs City when we were one man down then you are either naive or dishonest as we did not need a CDM to pummel all the top teams that Klopp has relentlessly pummeled since he arrived so why is it now suddenly an issue?
You may have thought that I called you dishonest or naive. That is and was not the case. The "you" in there does not refer to you personally, in any way. It is just used to refer to "whoever" had the notion that a CDM would have helped us at City playing a man down which IMO, would not have helped. Again, it was not a personal attack at you, particularly. If it cam across as an insult then, I am sorry. That was not my intention nor did it even cross my mind.
{Ed025's Note - fair enough bingo but it did come across that way and thats why i took umbrage, the ED,s put in a lot of time and effort to make sure posts get aired mate and we do it for free, i am many things but dishonest is not one of them but as far as lm concerned the matter is now closed and we move on..
1.) 12 Sep 2017 20:22:11
A CDM will definitely help against the crap CB's yiubhave got. Well a good CDM would have marked out KDB which our 3 CM's failed to do so as he started picking players like paint balls on the field.
Why does 95% managers plays with one or the other CDM / DLP? Are they all dumb and Klopp the only genius out there?
A CDM on Sunday would have made sure KDB did not get any space! That alone would have saved 3 out of the 4 goals!
2.) 12 Sep 2017 20:29:44
Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Napoli. 4 different teams with 4 different playing styles and all of them plays with a proper DM / holding midfielder.
{Ed001's Note - Napoli don't and Chelsea don't any more without Matic.}
3.) 12 Sep 2017 20:37:18
When Kevin De Bruyne was picking out the spots left exposed due to Klopp going with a back three?
You make me laugh Harry, always a good shout when you post about us needing a defensive midfielder and the fact that you say it will make our current CB's perform better.
Ha ha. Let me go get my adult diapers too.
4.) 12 Sep 2017 20:39:05
4 goals? I wonder if one of these amazing CDM's could teach you to count, Harry? 😉.
5.) 12 Sep 2017 20:42:15
Chelsea has Kante who is equavalent to a DM ( Positionally sound Midfielder ) while they have also signed Drinkwater who is a DM. Napoli plays with Jorginho who is an holding mid.
The point is not what they are called ( DM, CM, DLP ) The point is how good they are positionally in the art to stop an attack and break a play.
On similar. Barcelona scored one and with Pjanic not tacking back Messi and boom! Typical example of how we concede!
6.) 12 Sep 2017 20:44:15
Just like most of the opposition manager deploy a CDM to mark out Coutinho.
7.) 12 Sep 2017 21:34:50
No problem, Ed25. I'm over it.
Harry outside of the posts you have made on this thread that I cannot make head nor tail of, what is this thing with you when you address Klopp and our players as "your players", your CB's" or "your manager"? What the heck is that all about? Are these not your players and manager as well? I know I have asked you this b4 and you did not answer so I will ask again, are you an LFC fan cos you sound like the Utd, Arsenal fans or Ed25 who come on this thread to trade banter with us?
8.) 12 Sep 2017 22:03:02
You could consider me as a Football fan bingo! No problem mate. Unfortunately I don't post on other pages so that rules out other clubs mate.
9.) 12 Sep 2017 23:50:23
Still doesn't rule you out as a supporter for another club Harry. You say you don’t post on other clubs sites but how do we know? You've had so many different names you could be anybody on any site haha.
10.) 13 Sep 2017 01:58:30
"A CDM will definitely help against the crap CB's yiubhave got".
Looks like Harry just disowned the entire CB lineup at LFC. Don't worry buddy, everyone knows they are piss poor defenders but we got to stick with them for now until we sign not one but two competent CBs (and that might take a while) .
11.) 13 Sep 2017 03:33:55
City game was the kind of game we could have done with lucas lieva. He was class against city last year.
12.) 13 Sep 2017 09:44:23
Superred, Lucas did not play either game vs City last season BUT I get what you are saying overall.
12 Sep 2017 09:40:37
Hello fellow Ed's and rds,
Tmrw is our big return to the big stage where we belong as in the CL, where we are one of the most successful teams and we all know that Europe is our playground and where our best memories and fans reside. We also have a manger whose record in Europe is more than solid and with him, we know anything can happen. Just ask BVB.
Let's forget the City result cos I know I have and get behind the boys tmrw vs Seville and make Anfield hell on earth for all our CL opponents.
1.) 12 Sep 2017 09:48:48
I agree with you! No really! 😂.
12 Sep 2017 09:39:21
Hello fellow Reds and Eds!
Hello fellow reds and Eds and hope all is well with you all.
I would like to comment on a certain talking point regarding the GK's that is doing my head in. When Migs is playing and making mistakes (see City's second and 4th goals, to see why) or being shaky, many of us and esp. those in the media say, "He is not good enough and is scaring the life out of his back line". Then, when Klopp takes him out and puts Karius in like he did vs Arsenal after Migs had flapped at two high balls vs Hoffenhiem or punished for some other reason as Ed01 said earlier, the same people say, "Why is he getting hooked? He has done nothing wrong to warrant it". Sorry but that is utter BS. Why? Simple. Both of those things cannot be true at the same time. It simply can't.
If he was was good enough and was not making mistakes, why is he getting benched then? I think Klopp is slowly but surely, phasing Migs out cos everyone can see that after a brief renaissance last season (at the last 2 months of it), he has gone back to becoming the crap GK that he always has been. But the reason he is often given the benefit of the doubt is cos people prefer the devil they know rather than the angel they don't know. I'm sorry BUT that is nonsense. In football, you want to have as many facts as you can so you can act on them. We know as a fact that Migs is crap. So why do we keep playing him, then? We don't know if Karius or Ward are the long term answer until they are given a full run of games like Pep did with Bravo at City, to know if they can do the job. Pep binned Hart cos he knew he was crap as a fact. He signed Bravo who got a full season to prove he was crap and he now has Ederson. You don't see anyone giving Pep grief for acting on the facts on the ground as they stand now, do you? This is what Klopp must do now. he must act on what he knows.
We cannot keep accepting a crap GK just cos we are afraid to give the younger BUT talented ones a chance as neither of these two could actually be any worse, IMO. Hence since, we know Migs is crap, he should be canned so we can focus on coaching and improving the young GK's we currently have who have IMO, an ability to improve as we know Migs after 4 seasons, has not improved and in fact, is getting worse. Thoughts?
1.) 12 Sep 2017 09:51:22
So i am getting the impression you don't rate Mignolet 😉.
2.) 12 Sep 2017 10:10:04
Mingolet should have been moved on ages ago.
3.) 12 Sep 2017 10:10:59
klopp needs to borrow a pair of Rafa's balls and stop playing players who are not good enough. It's quite simple. Isn't it! Mignolet doesn't automatically picks himself, the manager picks the team and well the tactics.
I don't know on what eveidence do you feel Karius would come good? Ward at least has a one full year at Huddersfield to show.
4.) 12 Sep 2017 10:14:06
I agree mate I have said it before when Klopp bought Karius and told everyone he was first choice he should have backed him for the season instead of taking him out before he could get a run of games. The lad was voted the second best Keeper in the Bundesliga behind Neuer. Yes he has lapses of concentration but I can't help think that's down to being thrown in and thrown out without a run of games. Mignolet fair play to him he did well towards the back of last season but how many years has he been here to show what he can do but shown he is not at the level we need. I think you will all be very surprised with Karius this season if Klopp gives him the champions league games.
5.) 12 Sep 2017 10:20:27
Rafa bought and played crap players on a scale tenfold to klopp OR brendan.
6.) 12 Sep 2017 11:27:48
If our GKs were girlfriends.
Migs would be current girlfriend, good but not great. You find yourself wondering why you're together sometimes, but then when you split up you can't help but remember the good times and give it a try one more time. Deep down you know it's not going to work but she's there until something better comes along.
Karius is the hot girl in the red dress you hooked up one night when out with your mates. The sex wasn't great though and you clashed teeth when kissing for the first time, but there was definitely excitement and a spark, and you can't stop thinking about her when you're sitting watching yet another series of the Great British Bake Off with your current GF.
Ward is like at sexy young 20yr old that's just joined your office - you know you probably shouldn't go there but it's still tempting.
None are marriage material at the moment but why settle for something that's just not working.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have a fourt goalkeeper registered in the first team squad as well.}
7.) 12 Sep 2017 11:50:34
I've never been happy with mignolet. Was very surprised when we announced him back in the day.
Riena was a hard act to follow and I really think karius will come good.
8.) 12 Sep 2017 11:40:11
That may be true Ed002, but nobody dates a bird called Bogdan.
In SGreds universe, Bogdan is the chunky munter who would make you steak dinner every night, forgive you for cheating on her with her sister, and even let you down the dirt track when the river runs red. But your mates will still laugh at you for trying to make a wife out of a pig.
9.) 12 Sep 2017 12:05:18
Lol SG that was world class comparison😄😄😄 ROFL.
10.) 12 Sep 2017 12:13:42
That's the jailbait.
11.) 12 Sep 2017 12:32:30
Good posts, boys and appreciate the responses as this is a debate that I have no clue why it is so hard to figure out.
Harry, I understand that Migs does not pick himself so Klopp must know something else that we don't. I will say that Klopp never rated Migs hence, why Karius was brought in as no. 1 and rightfully so cos Migs has been and is still costing us till this very day. He has definitely sent Migs a message thru his benching vs Arsenal that his place is under threat.
As for whether Karius will come good or not, I never said that he will come good BUT we have to give him a run of games to prove us right or wrong. We all want TAA, Woodburn and Gomez to get games so they can learn from whatever mistakes they make cos we believe in them. Should that not be the same for Karius or Ward or do the same rules no longer apply?
Now, I do believe that several areas of his game like his ability to be a sweeper-keeper, his distribution, his speed off his line are MUCH better than Migs. He just needs more experience and a long run in the team to see if he can get it done. Same for Ward. Surely, they can't be worse than Migs who has had 4 seasons to prove he is crap, right?
12.) 12 Sep 2017 12:36:31
Love your analogy, SG. Priceless! Are you speaking from experience, by any chance, LOL?
13.) 12 Sep 2017 13:15:44
Best post ever SGRED! Love the metaphor!
I'll try to add to it. Migs is the ex who you keep meeting up with for bunk ups even though ghe relationship is gone.
Karius is the new bird who your family hate. They keep talking about your ex (migs) in front of her.
Ward is the young page three girl who blows you away. until she opens her mouth and keeps yapping on about eastenders!
Not as good as your post SGRED but a bit of fun.
14.) 12 Sep 2017 13:44:47
I totally agree bingo. Our defence looks more organised with karius involved too.
07 Sep 2017 22:08:01
I love Carrasco and think he would be perfect for our system as he is lethal from either of the wide areas, were we ever need to replace Mane or Salah.
07 Sep 2017 22:06:29
Klopp said through out last season that the best in training in terms of attitude and commitment, is Moreno.
04 Sep 2017 20:13:26
He is injured and won't come back in time for the CL. What is there to discuss about conspiracy theories. It is what it is. Move on.
02 Sep 2017 08:07:57
LFcder, no players were pushed on BR any money men (whoever these people are) . BR was in charge of the committee and had the final say on who we get and don't get. If BR lacked the bottle to put his foot down then that is his problem and not that of anyone else's. Klopp is in charge of the committee as well with consultation from Buvac (who recommended Grujic) and Kraveitz. He is stubborn and sure of himself, things BR severely lacked which is why he is respected and BR never was. This notion that BR was overruled by the money men or by the TC (which he heads) has been debunked since 2015 by Ed02 so people need to stop pushing this myth as none of it is true.
01 Sep 2017 21:28:05
No agenda, Ed. I don't have time for such things. Just banter.
{Ed025's Note - banters good bingo i can work with that mate..
26 Oct 2017 18:10:26
Ed, Puskas was a god. I saw a documentary of the legendary Hungarian team he played for and saw the highlights of the 6-2 victory vs England at Wembley (a record till this day) and he scored such a brilliant goal that the defender he laid waste to afterwards said he had never seen someone with such quick feet. In the 1950 WC, Hungary was leading Germany 2-0 and Puskas who was injured in the semis, hit the bar and at 3-0, the game is over and that Hungarian team who had humiliated Germany in the group stages, would have won the WC at a canter. Alas, it was not to be. His exploits with Real Madrid next to the monument called Alredo Di Stefano is the stuff of legends.
23 Oct 2017 09:25:45
He has to drop Migs, play Can in the DM, never play Milner in CM again unless vs Maribor, drop Lovren for Gomez. These are things Klopp can do right now that won't fix all our issues BUT will definitely help. Will he do it? We will see.
{Ed025's Note - he has to do something bingo, his job may depend on it mate..
23 Oct 2017 09:07:13
Thanks for the compliment, Superred. I have been calling Migs out to be sold for two seasons now and unfortunately, he has failed to prove me wrong. In fact, the guy has succeeded in getting even worse than he was an that span. Klopp must act now for the good of the team or it will be HIS cross to bear, not Migs' cos Migs does not pick himself.
23 Oct 2017 09:03:57
MK, I'll go one better. Migs was responsible for the first, third and fourth goals last night. Karius was dropped for making two costly mistakes in 10 games where we were solid for the most time last season while Migs in addition to his countless errors this season and last, cost us THREE goals in ONE game YET Karius and even Ward, never play? That is on Klopp and all on him and I don't wanna hear that crap (not saying you said it) that Karius or Ward don't deserve a go from Klopp. No more! Karius and Ward are miles ahead of Migs, it's not even a joke anymore. If Migs is still playing come Sat vs Hedd then Klopp is to blame for any errors he makes. End of story.
23 Oct 2017 08:54:37
Everything starts from the GK, as Ed has said repeatedly here. Karius was dropped for WAY less last season YET Migs keeps playing. I wonder what Karius and Ward must be thinking to themselves. "I am on the bench or in the stands for this guy? Really? " Yeah, Really. Cos Klopp has made a mess of this GK issue, he will bear the brunt of it if he keeps playing Migs. Cou did not play well last night and frankly, he seemed to lose the ball to much and get bullied by Winks of all people. Spurs are the most balanced team in the PL and City are not a patch on them in that respect. This is what Klopp is trying to do here as Spurs is IMO, who we should emulate cos the checkbook managers (utd and City) are very unbalanced and have issues. Spurs seemingly, have NO weaknesses.