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04 Jun 2020 19:31:18
To the Eds
Regarding Timo Werner and Liverpool transfer targets.
Of all the available players of that calibre who we have been linked with (Werner, Harvertz, Sancho, Dembele et al) surely Werner was the 'cheapest' of the lot? Is it a case of we dont't have the funds, Liverpool did not see the value at the price quoted or prioritizing a different position?
What does it mean for transfers this window? Will we only sign someone if one of Mane, Firmino and Salah 3 leave? I appreciate liverpool don't have the same resources as others, but i would expect them to look to improve the team and not stagnate on glory of recent success.
{Ed002's Note - I have answered all of these questions on numerous occasions. Liverpool have not gone about trying to sign Werner in an appropriate manner - perhaps that is something they could still chase down as the player’s head has been turned. There is no interest from Liverpool in Sancho and I can’t see Liverpool being able to afford Havertz without significant sales. I have explained of the interest in Dembele who would be cheaper and perhaps some sort of loan to buy might work. I have explained the financial situation repeatedly.}
1.) 04 Jun 2020 19:45:38
Thanks for the quick reply Ed002!
Much appreciated.
2.) 04 Jun 2020 21:01:22
Just had a quick look at dembele on transfermarkt, seems he was relatively injury free until his move to barca, since then his hamstrings have been pinging. If its a loan with an option I guess it could work as he certainly has talent but you would think Barcelona would want a sale or at least a guarentee of a sale at the end of a loan as he is coming into the last 2 years of his deal. I do think we need cover accross the front 3 and with money being an issue you would think he would be a good solution also he really needs to resurrect his career at some point, still only 23.
{Ed002's Note - Barcelona would certainly prefer a sale - but they have a lot of players to move on so a loan may be possible.}
3.) 04 Jun 2020 21:02:46
I liked Werner for his ability to play striker or wide, but I guess salah can too, and mane, although mane is mor effective wide as he tracks well and beats men 1v1 consistently. Dembele plays right side, so if we were to add another forward player salah could play striker and bobby at 10. Salah wouldn’t drop deeper allowing the space for bobby.
4.) 04 Jun 2020 21:12:19
Really can’t see the logic in going after a player like Dembele who is almost always injured and shown absolutely no capacity or will to be a professional, just because he might be cheap isn’t enough. He’ll be playing for a mid table french side in a few years time, his career is drifting into mediocrity and we shouldn’t look at a player like that.
5.) 04 Jun 2020 21:15:35
Those type of hamstring injuries are the sort that finished Owen, it affects running ability and the ability to either sprint or run quickly over any distance, once the pace goes with a player like that you’ve got nothing left. Whoever buys him from Barcelona is getting a dud.
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30 May 2020 07:34:12
So here is my question of the day.
Who in your opinion is the most successful player in the Premier League era to have achieved what they did whilst being one of the least talent players of their generation / era / team?
Exclude players who have won things by merely sitting on the bench etc. So someone who played regularly, had little natural talent, but achieved what they did through dedication and hard graft.
Keen to here everyones thoughts.
1.) 30 May 2020 09:41:57
Most of the Man Utd players under Fergie!
2.) 30 May 2020 10:12:21
Ryan Giggs, Ronaldo from Manchester United and our very own Xabi Alonso stand out for me. Jamie Carragher deserves a mention as he only missed out on EPL and World Club winners medals at domestic level.
3.) 30 May 2020 10:36:58
I was thinking Phil Neville or Nicky Butt.
But KingCarlos has made me have second thought with the Carragher shout.
4.) 30 May 2020 11:00:28
Ray parlour
Freddie ljunberg
Nicky butt
Carragher
David batty
Tim sherwood
Fabian barthez.
5.) 30 May 2020 12:05:00
I always think of Arbeloa. 1 World Cup. 2 European championships. 2 champions league winners medals. Enough said, but I Never rated him 😂.
6.) 30 May 2020 12:59:03
I have never worked out how Paul Konchesky was awarded a professional contract at any of his eleven clubs. Lots of his games were in the lower leagues but he also had many Premiership appearances.
He even scored against us in an FA cup final!
7.) 30 May 2020 16:21:55
Xabi alonso?! Surely one of the finest players to grace the Premier league.
Nicholas bendtner for me.
8.) 30 May 2020 16:57:22
I’m looking forward to reading Ed’s article on Giggs, I am really surprised to see people questioning his talent. Will be interesting to see Ed reflect back on Giggs’ career.
9.) 30 May 2020 17:53:37
Yeah I was surprised lfc hopeful. Brilliant winger.
10.) 30 May 2020 20:25:13
Giggs, Ronaldo and Alonso least talented of their era/ generation King Carlos. Darren Fletcher, John O Shea of Man Utd and Joe Hart of Man City.
11.) 31 May 2020 13:52:50
ray parlour, Kevin philips, Rob Lee, Gary neville, Dennis irwin, Carragher, cahill.
29 May 2020 12:38:42
Hi Ed's
Greetings from a cold and rainy Cape Town.
I wanted to know your take on the Liverpool midfield. Since the days of Gerrard, Alonso and Coutinho the team really seems to lack someone that can/ scores from long range and a central position. In many of the games this season and last there were a lot of moments where we would have possession in dangerous positions outside of the opposition box and none of our midfielders seemed keen or able to have a hit (or it was woeful) .
If I look at rival clubs they all seem to have people who a capable of this:
City: De Bruyne and Mahrez
United: Fernandes and Pogba
Chelsea: Alonso, Willian, Mount
Arsenal: Pepe and Xhaka
In your opinion (s) is this a area that Liverpool need to improve on or acquire a player with that ability? We no longer seem to be a threat from long range in central positions.
All views / opinions welcome!
Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - most of those players play ahead of the midfield, as attackers when they score goals. The exceptions being Pogba, who barely plays as he can't be arsed, Alonso is a defender and Xhaka who is crap anyway. It doesn't matter what you do, there is always things you want to improve, but we do have players who can score from there, it is just that they usually have people in better positions to play the ball to.
I would rather they didn't do a Couts and Gerrard of hitting it constantly and just handing the opposition possession most of the time. We are a much better team than those days, with full-backs and centre-backs adding more goals and forwards racking up huge numbers, so it is not as important for the midfield to add many. Certainly Henderson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho etc have the potential to smash them in from range, but there is no need to just hit it from range usually. There is almost always a better choice for them to make.
That is the thing, if they started smacking more from range, it would reduce the chances for people like Mane and Salah to score. We have a good balance right now and it is working, we need to be careful not to upset it.}
1.) 29 May 2020 14:47:17
Good question TRC. I hope with Ox and Keita finding more fitness and consistency in the coming seasons we will have plenty of goalscorers in midfield also. Both of them have the ability to thread passes and shoot from outside the box so they will not only add goals but also the element of surprise which will help our front 3.
2.) 29 May 2020 16:02:06
I would say the ox is as good as any of those mentioned at hitting shots from outside the box.
Imo, Gerrard earned the grace to smack shots from outside the area, he scored some crackers. And often he had poor players ahead of him.
3.) 29 May 2020 16:26:01
This got me thinking of long range goals we've scored under Klopp, and apart from Couts, the ones that stick out are the Ox scoring in the PL and the CL against City a couple of seasons ago (Salah scored far out in that first game too but that was basically an open goal), and Fabs scoring against City this season. Kind of interesting that we've scored a few from long range against City.
4.) 29 May 2020 16:32:07
Thanks for the insight Ed001 and others.
I was asking as sometimes i felt when teams sat very deep against us to mitigate being exposed by our pace, we had moments where we should have taken on a long-range hit in the space provided.
I also felt often teams would double-up out wide on Mane and Salah which i felt opened up the middle for a long range effort.
We are playing and like mentioned the side is balanced and contributions coming from multiple sources. I guess a just love a long range golazo :)
5.) 29 May 2020 18:00:42
The stats show that Liverpool have scored 8 goals outside the box this season, that's the third highest in the league.
6.) 29 May 2020 18:15:55
Agree 100% with TRC the midfield need to shoot more from outside the box and shooting in general is an area we could improve on.
7.) 29 May 2020 18:56:12
25 points clear, current CL holders and about to win first title in 30 years. I think Klopp has balance right don’t you?
8.) 29 May 2020 21:03:46
Spot on, SupaReds. We are European, World and soon to be crowned English Champions. I think I'll leave the midfield balance talk to the guy who has masterminded our great success which is our very own Jurgen Norbert Klopp, thank you very much.
9.) 29 May 2020 22:18:13
I have to say that when the Ox is fit and firing, he does all of that. However I couldn't agree more with Ed001's comments. We are a better team now and usually have better options than trying to beat a top keeper from distance.
10.) 29 May 2020 22:41:49
I agree with The Red Cape
Having a player that is capable of scoring from distance would be a huge asset. Whilst I understand what Ed 01 is saying about shooting and missing just gives the opposition the ball back, having someone in the team that can score from distance would give teams something else to think about, and could actually create more space, with defenders coming out to shut down the likely shooter, which in turn could create space for any parries or rebounds. I can't count the number of times one of our players has shot from out side the box and I have said "well he is no Steven Gerrard"
I absolutely love watching Stevies goals they are so WOW.
11.) 30 May 2020 02:23:10
Yeah, Ed is bang on of course. You generally shoot from range when you're out of ideas. Our boys don't give up until the final whistle. Hendo wouldn't smash one with three World class forwards making moves in front of him. Unless the space opened up and the ball was in the perfect position to hit.
04 Jun 2020 19:45:38
Thanks for the quick reply Ed002!
Much appreciated.
01 Jun 2020 07:19:51
@6Times
to be fair the same could be said for Drogba when he was in France and Chelsea signed him. I remember he even got a lot stick in his first season in the Premier League. he turned out alright didn't he?
I think it depends on the manager and coach. Are they willing to work with the player/ transfer target to improve him and iron out weaknesses in his game (players attitude and application is also important)
30 May 2020 10:36:58
I was thinking Phil Neville or Nicky Butt.
But KingCarlos has made me have second thought with the Carragher shout.
29 May 2020 16:32:07
Thanks for the insight Ed001 and others.
I was asking as sometimes i felt when teams sat very deep against us to mitigate being exposed by our pace, we had moments where we should have taken on a long-range hit in the space provided.
I also felt often teams would double-up out wide on Mane and Salah which i felt opened up the middle for a long range effort.
We are playing and like mentioned the side is balanced and contributions coming from multiple sources. I guess a just love a long range golazo :)