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22 Oct 2015 22:43:15
Whats the situation with Brannagan?

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13 Feb 2020 19:30:58
If a club has agreed to buy a player next season, can they in the meantime sell the player to another club? For example Nicolo Barella is currently on loan with Inter but I understand there is an obligation to buy. Could another club come in and pay an exorbitant price to Inter for them to sell Barella as soon as they have his contract transferred to them? Or do they have to wait til Barella is officially their player?

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{Ed002's Note - Nicolo Barella will join Inter in the summer - they will not be looking to sell.}


1.) 14 Feb 2020 00:33:12
Sorry i was just using him as an example because he triggered the question for me. I was more wanting to know if theoretically Inter could negotiate the sale even though Barella is still technically another clubs player? As in - when can a club legally start negotiating the sale of a player? Is it only when they actually have his contract? No real reason for the question - just pure interest.

{Ed002's Note - There is no legal framework around negotiation but if there was only an option to buy a player the owning club would need to be involved. THis has been the casee in recent months with Stefano Sensi where Inter have an option to buy from Sassaulo in the summer but another club has been speaking to both to remove the option and take him themselves.}


2.) 16 Feb 2020 19:16:31
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10 Dec 2019 03:02:41
Ed002 youve mentioned previously that one of the big problems that Jose has with Manu was that he didn't see them as a club prepared to make the necessary changes in order to challenge for titles. i was wondering
1.if Manu are now making the necessary changes
2. Is Spurs the sort of club that coaches like jose would see as being professionally run?
3. What sort of things does Liverpool still need to do to be considered in the league of "well-run clubs".

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{Ed002's Note - (1) No, they are not making changes. (2) Only time will tell if Levy provides Mr Mourinho with what he needs - he says he will. (3) Liverpool has improved by the coach must stop making illegal approaches and tapping up players of other clubs and they still need to sort out the loan system and get it working for the club better.}


1.) 10 Dec 2019 16:00:57
Thanks for the reply Ed002.

I think Mr Mourinho will be a big success at Spurs. He is a fantastic manager and will bring them some much craved silverware.

In respect of Liverpool and their loan system - it does seem frustrating that it still seems a bit unorganised. Is this something that a Director of Football would usually be in charge of? Long term planning and overview of youngsters progression to first team etc? I remember a few years back FSG wanted to bring someone in, have these plans stopped?

thanks for the continued contribution to this site - heres to hoping santa clause brings you many a fancy bottles of gin to celebrate the festive period.

Red Sandman.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, typically a DoF or equivalent is in charge of such a system. However, Chelsea's loan system runs well although at this time they do not have a DoF. The club has no plan to bring in a DoF at the moment (as far as I am aware). Enjoy your holiday season.}


2.) 10 Dec 2019 20:57:49
Thanks mate.
Regarding Spurs, is that just financial support that Levy has promised or are there other things that Jose wants to see done?

From stuff Lampard and others said last year, it does sound like our loan system is improving (though its hard to see how it could have got any worse from a few years back)

{Ed002's Note - Mr Mourinho wanted certain guarantees and certain people involved and certain control. He has been assured that is cool. I don’t know what Lampard has said about the Liverpool loan system.}


3.) 11 Dec 2019 23:32:49
Lampard made reference to the club being in regular contact with both him and Wilson and that they had a clear vision in mind of what they wanted the loan to achieve.

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure that means much.}


 

 

09 Dec 2019 22:08:26
The thing i liked most about the Bournemouth win was that each goal was tactically very different. Suggests that Klopp is trying to mix it up and keep the opposition guessing.

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1.) 09 Dec 2019 22:47:15
If you can’t go through them, go round them, and if you can go round them, go over them! I hope it’s klopp but I hope the players have the nouse to exploits gaps no matter what the style. Else you end up with a game like United, where we look flat. We’re a threat any which way now, set pieces too. If they push high and close off Trent and Robbo we have pace in behind, if they sit deep Robbo and Trent have time, it’s a lose lose either way. Even on an individual level, give salah time and he will run last you, but Get too tight and he will roll you; it’s impressive to watch. Mane no matter what you do he will do his thing!


 

 

28 Nov 2019 03:19:26
Sorry i've looked but can't where you have your articles on different players. In particular I was looking for the one on Ruben Dias that I remember Ed001 did.

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{Ed001's Note - the player profiles site is there. If you put a name in the search box at the top of the page on the site you should be able to find those players easily.}


1.) 28 Nov 2019 19:36:43
Thanks mate - not sure why the link didn't appear for me yesterday. Good read though.

{Ed001's Note - glad to help mate.}


 

 

08 Oct 2019 04:50:15
At the risk of opening a can of worms, I remember some time back that you gave a breakdown of Coutnho's fee eg 120mil spread out over 5 payments plus various hurdle fees (eg 5mill when he reached 25 first class appearances)
I assume the hurdle fees won't be paid out if Coutinho moves on. but does Barcelona still have to pay the 120mill and does LFC still have to pay Vasco De Gama.

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{Ed002's Note - The performance based fees are paid if they are met. Barcelona are paying the €120M in accordance with the contract. And Liverpool obviously have to make payments themselves. Someone pointed me at an item produced by the Mirror - it is nonsense.}


1.) 08 Oct 2019 08:29:53
As Ed002 said, what is being reported by various newspapers is nonsense.

Someone at the Echo (I think) clarified that LFC had sold the receivable to a bank at the time of the transfer, and therefore received their cash upfront. Barcelona owes the bank, not LFC, the remaining fees.


2.) 08 Oct 2019 16:25:25
Ed002, Coutinho's situation raises the interesting question whether clauses contingent to performance, such as the number of appearances or winning of certain trophies, are honoured if the player goes on a loan to another club? For the purposes of performance clauses on player sale, do appearances for the loan club count as an appearance for the parent club?

{Ed002's Note - No, if a player is surplus and wants out, being sold or loaned raises no questions and obviously does not count as credit toward appearances for Barcelona. Everybody understands and nobody has any complaints about it.}


3.) 08 Oct 2019 20:56:52
Thanks Ed for clarifying. Seems fair.


4.) 10 Oct 2019 04:59:52
Thanks Ed002. I thought that might be the case. If I can clarify a bit more, in the case where a player dies before all the installment fees have been paid out (eg Emiliano Sala) does the club still pay out (ignoring the fact that Cardiff are trying to dog it)?

{Ed002's Note - Obviously the payments which are performance based and have not been met will not be paid.}


5.) 10 Oct 2019 21:21:59
thanks mate.


 

 

 

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01 Apr 2020 04:00:50
Half the title? that must be like being half pregnant.

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27 Feb 2020 03:41:25
Ed002 am i right in believing that Liverpool can touch base with Forster to sound out possible interest but can't progress further than that unless RBL agree eg can't agree package or anything similar?

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{Ed002's Note - The process should be along the lines of: Clubs will typically informally ask an agent (a) if the player is going to be available, and (b) would the player consider a move to the club. There may be some broad discussion on the sort of deal that would be offered but no more than that. If the answer is yes, it is then necessary for the club to approach the player's club to ask if they would be willing to sell and if they would grant permission to speak to a player's agent formally about a transfer and possibly even the player about actually making a move. This will typically involve either broadly (through an offer) or actually agreeing a fee and responsibility for any significant costs (agents fees etc.). Once this has happened the club will be able to speak formally to the player's agent and perhaps the player himself to look at the package that will be involved. Many players are looked at and discussed at a high-level with agents and clubs; a subset of those have an offer placed; a subset of those involve discussions with the player's club; a subset of those involve discussions over terms, and; a subset of those go ahead.

Agents will often try and get more specific details of wages and other financials before they should - but most clubs are happy to follow this process. Players will often talk to other players about moves but, whilst wrong, is tolerated as it would be impossible to manage.}


 

 

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23 Jan 2020 03:58:43
There is strong evidence to suggest our loan program totally sucked up until recently and so it is likely that Ed002 is correct about Liverpool being poor about planning the future of their lads. It seems we are getting better but if we are honest, we probably have a long way to go. As a side note players such as Adekanye and Ibe are now playing at a high level (not sure whether wee can count the ones plying a trade in Scotland? )

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06 Jan 2020 02:57:08
Dont Hull already have an abundance of young midfielders? I wonder if Klopp has sanctioned this to give Herbie some competition and not make it too easy for him?

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06 Jan 2020 02:52:52
Jones is great when he has the ball (though he can be a bit selfish) . But does he work hard enough off the ball? It certainly seemed to be a weakness of his in the past but maybe being part of the senior setup has changed this?

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15 Mar 2020 20:55:32
I agree with LFC Hopeful - The bosch tv series is pretty good.
If you are into more medieval style fare then The Last Kingdom series is also pretty good (based on books by Bernard Cornwell about saxon england in the time of Alfred the Great)

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05 Mar 2020 21:50:08
Do Cardiff's accounts include the money they owe Nantes? Or are they excluding that?

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{Ed001's Note - they say that has been put aside in case.}


 

 

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16 Feb 2020 19:16:31
thanks mate.

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14 Feb 2020 00:33:12
Sorry i was just using him as an example because he triggered the question for me. I was more wanting to know if theoretically Inter could negotiate the sale even though Barella is still technically another clubs player? As in - when can a club legally start negotiating the sale of a player? Is it only when they actually have his contract? No real reason for the question - just pure interest.

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{Ed002's Note - There is no legal framework around negotiation but if there was only an option to buy a player the owning club would need to be involved. THis has been the casee in recent months with Stefano Sensi where Inter have an option to buy from Sassaulo in the summer but another club has been speaking to both to remove the option and take him themselves.}


 

 

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09 Feb 2020 21:28:49
Id love to see Barnes play nowadays. he would tear teams apart even more than he did back then.

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