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18 Apr 2018 11:17:28
I've seen a lot of clamouring for Mathis de Ligt recently.

A huge talent by the looks of it but why are people so keen to sign him when it would / could be a blocker to Gomez? You know, the 20 year old talent defender we already have in our team?

Seriously, if we were to sign a CB, it needs to be someone on par with VVD in both experience and current ability.

I don’t see the point in buying an 18 year old when Joe Gomez is clearly a big talent himself.

87red

1.) 18 Apr 2018 11:55:33
If someone of that talent and potential is available you sign him. Massive if but if he came klopp would likely make say matip and klavan available and we'd then have 4 1st team cbs. 2 more experienced 2 young looking to get in the team.

But also do remember lovren has had shockers and it wouldn't be a surprise if neither Matip or Lovren were in klopps plans.


2.) 18 Apr 2018 13:20:35
Lovren next to VVD looks far better though. Lovren has cut out a lot of the errors but tend to struggle against certain opposition. He’s had a tough time from us as a fan base at times but he’s got his head down and always give 100% which I think should be appreciated.


3.) 18 Apr 2018 13:20:40
I'd have to disagree. you only sign someone of huge talent if you need them and it would be of benefit to both parties.

it wouldn't be of benefit to de ligt or gomez to warming the bench and our money could be better invested elsewhere.

you don't really rotate CB's like you do other positions and in the main need a settled back 4.


4.) 18 Apr 2018 13:23:11
Matthijs de Ligt will be a top top player.


5.) 18 Apr 2018 14:01:40
De Ligt is a couple of years away at least and could be cover for Klavan but I get your point OP.


6.) 18 Apr 2018 14:02:24
Agreed Cesar. It seems like the overt show of support from fans after the Spurs away game (voting player of the month and all) has helped Lovren turn a corner. And recently he's been very good bar the ManU game.


7.) 18 Apr 2018 16:43:57
Completely agree with 87 here, we have Gomez and that's that, if we was to sign such a player we'd be practically forcing Gomez out, something none of us want to see.

It's getting to that time of the year again though, we're 'linked' with literally everybody and his mother.


8.) 18 Apr 2018 22:17:44
To be fair Salah, I hear his mother is a decent footballer with potential to replace Can.


9.) 19 Apr 2018 15:13:22
Klavan and Matip will probably be gone in the summer which leaves us with VVD, Lovren, Gomez (and De ligt if he comes)
So even playing a normal back 4 means we have 2 experienced players and 2 young players for cover.

during early cup games it would be great to have Gomez and De ligt starting with vvd and Lovren rested.

Who knows the 2 youngsters could be a long term partnership when VVD and Lovren start to lose their legs.
Lovren is 28 in a couple of months. When he hits 30, Gomez will be 23, perfect age to begin his push into a permanent starting 11 spot at CB.

VVD is nearly 26 so by the time he is 30 De Ligt will be close to 22, again a good age to start pressuring VVD for the starting 11 spot. And after 4 years he should be well and truly intergrated into the squad and comfortable playing alongside Gomez.

My thoughts anyway xD

Although as someone else said, i’d rather we got another experienced CB and use Lovren as the experienced cover. He has excelled next to VVD but we never know if it'll last as he has been shocking for so long.


10.) 20 Apr 2018 07:39:00
If we buy him as cover he won't be getting much game time wich will hinder his developmwnt.


 

 

07 Aug 2017 13:06:31
Hi eds

I seem to remember a few months back a couple of other CBS were mentioned as us keeping a watching brief (I think it was Ed1 so apologies if I'm mistaken)

They were nastasic and dragovic - do you have any info why decided against pursuing?

87red

{Ed001's Note - no sorry.}


 

 

05 Jun 2017 18:17:46
Anyone claiming they don't want Salah because of Afcon are using that as an excuse because they're not really excited about him signing.

I guarantee you nobody would be putting this argument forward if we signed aubameyang.

87red

1.) 05 Jun 2017 18:37:02
The AFCON is years away and we have time to work on that eventuality. Fact is we will have two VERY rapid skilful goal scoring wingers!


2.) 05 Jun 2017 18:44:21
Nah, the same boo boys would use that argument against any African player. Most of us know it's a weak argument though.


3.) 05 Jun 2017 18:34:24
Or reuse who spends around same time on pitch as Sturbridge. though I Linda like him too.


4.) 05 Jun 2017 19:07:22
Going into january with potential semi finals (carling cup), fa cup and premierleague. Without argubably two of your better players is a worry.

But its a ling way off.


5.) 05 Jun 2017 19:41:56
Plenty more of time to prepare for it.


6.) 05 Jun 2017 19:44:44
Afcon won't be for another year and a half a lot of the youngsters (Ojo, Wilson, woodburn, ) will be hopefully first team ready by then, plus another two transfer windows on top of that. No need to panic just yet.


 

 

26 Nov 2014 18:34:48
Ed001,

I know you say you doubt klopp would take on the job but do you know if is at least a consideration or if we looked at him the last time round

Cheers!

87red

{Ed001's Note - he will always be under consideration mate, it comes down to if he has any interest in the role, which seems unlikely considering how beloved he is in Dortmund.}


 

 

 

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01 Sep 2018 06:15:29
Hi Ed1,

Indulge me if you will. do you think that Gerrard back in his prime would have thrived in a klopp system?

87red

{Ed001's Note - so long as he put the effort in and didn't strop about where he was asked to play, he would have been perfect in Klopp's system.}


1.) 01 Sep 2018 08:11:31
A slightly different question, do you think he would have been given the same opportunities in terms of breaking into to the team. The real top homegrown players of heater year broke were playing in the first team as teens which seems to have completely stopped.

{Ed001's Note - Gerrard was going to get a chance long before he actually did but for injuries. He stood out like a sore thumb as being first team ready. He would have walked into the side.}


2.) 01 Sep 2018 09:05:25
Gerrard did strop around at times but he got frustrated a lot at some of his team mates not being anywhere near his level. When the team got better players he was playing more for the team. He didn't strop around much when Torres and Alonso were there and we were challenging.

Gerrard used to fizz the ball into players just as he wanted but half the teams he played in couldn't handle the passes he was giving them. At his peak he would be the best player in this current side, getting 20+ goals from midfield.

{Ed001's Note - I was thinking of his strop after the best season of his life on the right and subsequent refusal to play there again for Liverpool. Unlike England where he played anywhere they asked him to.}


 

 

14 Jun 2018 16:41:20
I’m curious to know why people are so set against a Butland type signing.

90% of posters on here were dead set against signing AOC and Robertson, and have since held their hands up and admitted they were wrong.

Is there not a chance the armchair scouts could be wrong again?

The Butland signing wouldn’t excite me but I’m not opposed to it either. The scouting team have done well over the last 3 windows so I’m prepared to trust them.

Bring on the disagrees 😅.

87red

1.) 14 Jun 2018 16:56:19
Because people are smarter than the Liverpool recruitment team.


2.) 14 Jun 2018 18:25:37
87red and Kramer, it's called airing your opinions on a public forum for honest debate. You think Butland is good enough. I and many others disagree with that opinion hence, debate. It has nothing to do with being armchair-whatever the heck that means or knowing more than LFC's recruiting team as that is just a pointless statement as that is not a debate is for. It's a debate so feel free to join in and enjoy the back and forth or well, don't.


3.) 14 Jun 2018 18:42:17
The thing is that we’ve seen Butland makes the same mistakes (and more) that Karius has been pilloried for. So why spunk £30m on him for the same as we already have? My view is that unless we can or are willing to buy an elite level keeper. Then don’t waste the money.


4.) 14 Jun 2018 19:10:06
Frankly, you are correct BUT having watched both a lot this season (as I watch a tonne of PL games apart from those LFC participate in) and frankly, Butland not only made similar mistakes, he made MORE mistakes than Karius did. Trust me if Butland was not English, I can guarantee you that NOBODY would care for him. Butland is poor and does not even qualify as an "upgrade" to Danny Ward.


5.) 14 Jun 2018 19:20:16
Butland has the potential to be world class, I don’t benieve Karius will ever fully recover from the CL final. It was the most public humiliation in club football.


6.) 14 Jun 2018 19:34:25
Totally agree with Ron. Now he seems to be over his injurys I think he will blossom into a very decent keeper. He might not make world class but will be just under the top keepers.


7.) 14 Jun 2018 19:36:17
There is airing your opinions and then there is repeating the same thing over and over and over again. Those of us who would be happy to give Butland a chance get shouted down by the naysayers who quite frankly have a terrible record when it comes to players, the Ox, VVD and Robertson being three examples.


8.) 14 Jun 2018 19:41:29
Frankly - respect your opinion but you have to take into account that Butland has far much more to do than Karius, what worries me is that Karius could be smoking a cigar for much of games but still makes errors. Top keepers are always alert.


9.) 14 Jun 2018 19:54:27
It’s a tough one right I can’t see Karius recovering either personally
Thing is our keeper may go 6 games without needing to make a proper save so we need someone who maintains concentration and focus Aswell as being good on the ball and a good organiser.


10.) 14 Jun 2018 20:30:06
Butland is a mid to lower table keeper. He’s made some horrific mistakes this year. Absolute howlers under no pressure from nothing situations. There’s no point wasting any money on a keeper who is prone to dropping a bollock every game.


11.) 14 Jun 2018 21:06:56
According to the official premier league statistics Butland made 1 error leading to a goal all season. Maybe you were watching a different goalkeeper.


12.) 14 Jun 2018 22:13:24
Lies, damn lies and statistics. He made a hell of a lot more than just one. He dropped the ball at Everton under no pressure to gift them a goal, he gifted Spurs a goal with poor positioning and lack of concentration so the ball went straight over him, there was the goal against Leicester where he virtually threw the ball into his own net, I could go on. So no, he’s not the answer. Watch the player not useless stats.


13.) 14 Jun 2018 22:21:00
Spot on, Frankly. It is interesting to see those who wanted a top GK to come in now go for the next "big" thing as no top GK will be coming in as it stands. I don't have a prob with that HOWEVER, if that next "big thing" is the poor relegated Butland from relegation fodder Stoke then there is a swamp down in Florida that I would like to sell you.

What is also funny is that some say that a guy who has NEVER played for a big club, who got relegated with Stoke, is suddenly more experienced than one who had the most clean sheets in the CL this season, whose penalty save vs Spurs kept us in the hunt for top 4 at the time, a guy who conceded 1 measly goal vs City in a two legged q-final. Again, if you believe that then I have a swamp in Florida I would like to sell you.

The fact is that if Kaius needs replacing, great get it done BUT sorry, the Butlands of this world are not the answer. Why? He was at Stoke for a reason cos if he was that highly rated as many say, he would not have been there that long. Karius went from Mainz to LFC. Why? Cos Klopp thought at the time that he was that good. Why was Butland still at Stoke till relegation? Cos he was not that good.


14.) 14 Jun 2018 22:41:59
What planet are some of you on. Butland made some errors but the gravity of Karius’ mistakes are unforgivable. In addition, Karius has hardly been prolific. I mean off the top of my head the Spurs game with his dodgy parry to Wanyama is an example of his ineptitude. Has to go he’s not good enough.


15.) 15 Jun 2018 00:15:42
Doncopey1, the point is, if Karius isn’t good enough, then neither is any of Butland, Pope, Navas or Cillessen. As they’re not better and in Navas and Cillessen’s case they’re significantly worse. Now when you say the mistakes are ‘unforgivable’, I’d interested to hear your opinion on Gerrard?

When we won the champions league he threw the toys out the pram and demanded a move to Chelsea, he was involved in that fight in a bar and he was at fault for us losing the title with his slip against Chelsea? So by that measure, Gerrard can’t be a legend because his slip cost us the biggest trophy of all? As far as I’m concerned saying things like that makes a mockery of the words you’ll never walk alone.


16.) 15 Jun 2018 07:28:24
Yeah but you’re not really addressing the question me shankly.

You in particular are one of the worst offenders. You were so against AOC and like whenever you don’t fancy a player you troll every post that their name comes up.

I also don’t buy BRover argument about relegation fodder stoke - like Robertson at Hull right?

And BRover, I’m not in anyway saying people can’t have opinions. I’m just asking how these people who have such strong opinions can’t admit there’s a chance they could be wrong about Butland as they have been so many times in the past with AOC and Robertson etc.


17.) 15 Jun 2018 18:45:26
Butland was a promising youngster who has failed to live up to that and makes mistakes on a regular basis. He’s been particularly poor this season which is part of the reason that he not only lost the England number one jersey, but cost Stoke valuable points at against Everton, Spurs, Bournemouth and Leicester to name a few. Yes I was against AOC signing because based on the available evidence it looked like a waste of £35m. However in his case it’s player who was often played out of position and not used correctly by his former employers. In Butland case it’s hardly comparable, since Butland plays a specific position. Butland only looked ok behind a packed defence, when not playing behind a packed defence his weaknesses are horribly exposed. His distribution is poor, his concentration and positioning are poor and for a man of 6’5” he is poor on crosses. If the only basis people are suggesting him is because he’s English, available and they’ve heard of him, that’s a weak basis on which to sign a player.


 

 

12 Jun 2018 07:37:39
Before I start this post I will say that I would love an Oblak/ Alisson type keeper.

HOWEVER. I do think people overstate the jump in quality we need between the sticks. Joe Hart has multiple premier league medals, kasper schmeical has one, keylor navas has one or 2 and 3 champs leagues, Victor Valdes has countless winners medals and they’re all bang average to poor keepers.

Ideally we need to upgrade on our current keepers but an 80mil outlay is crazy.

I saw someone down the page suggest our only option is to either buy a Butland or an Alisson. There are plenty of levels in between that!

87red

1.) 12 Jun 2018 08:24:27
Using Valdes or Hart is false equivalency as they had significantly better squads around them, as for Schmeichel, just a case of the wrong man in the right place at the right time rather than him making any substantial difference.


2.) 12 Jun 2018 08:34:26
We would be mad not to get Alisson or OBlak for 50 million. BUt 80 million plus is too much imo so I would give Karius another chance rather than wasting money on Butland or Pope, who are not better than Karius.
We cans till win the league with Karius but it will need our midfield and attack to be at its best 9 times out of 10. Our defense is not as bad as the media makes it out to be, so we are fine there. Keita and Fabinho are brilliant additions but we need a CAM and backup winger to complete the puzzle up front.


3.) 12 Jun 2018 10:00:57
Frankly, there’s nothing false about it. These teams have all won multiple titles in spite of their keeper. That’s the point I’m making. Therefore, we shouldn’t place as much emphasis as people do on it.


 

 

25 May 2018 09:56:57
Buzzing for the final lads and ladettes.

I’m off camping in Norfolk today but managed to find a pub with a big screen so all sorted for the match.

My wife who is a hammer is even taking one of my old shirts to wear!

She’s a keeper guys 👌🏻.

87red

1.) 25 May 2018 10:40:22
Luckily she will probably never get the chance to ask you to do the Sam.


2.) 25 May 2018 10:42:02
Quality, have a great time mate.


3.) 25 May 2018 10:43:54
"she's a keeper guys" - better than Migs?


4.) 25 May 2018 14:24:58
managed to convince my mate (Leeds fan) to wear one too.


 

 

18 May 2018 12:29:17
honestly, Macca gives us amazing insight and what do we do?

a fat list of people complaining about said targets, writing them off, worrying that means Salah is off.

despite robertson, Ox, Salah (to some people), even Mane were met with sceptiscism - even outrage in some cases.

can we not just drop our armchair manager egos and trust the recruitment team for a change?

"oooh but this is a site about opinions and banter". yes it is but don't bite the hands that feeds you.

87red

1.) 18 May 2018 12:45:33
Well said 87, thank god I'm not alone in thinking this way.


2.) 18 May 2018 12:50:52
Nothing wrong with criticising the targets, but it has to be constructive or at least followed up with a bit of balance ie. "Maybe Klopp will make it work by-"

At the end of the day, these players are professionals for a reason. Is Butland weak on crosses? Yes. But he is great with his distribution and shot stopping.

Is Tarkowski slow and clumsy on the ball? Yes, but he is also a passionate defender who put a his body on the line.

Is Ceballos young and a little inconsistent? Yes but he has superb potential.

As you say, these guys signing these players are paid millions to be where they are. Sometimes, you just have to trust them. Doesn't mean you're not allowed to project your feelings or concerns. But their is a fine line between healthy debate and spitting venom. If you point out flaws, you should also point out strengths for the sake of balance and fairness.


3.) 18 May 2018 14:10:00
In Football manager 2018 Tarkowski Best role is Ball playing defender, Butland has better potencial and current ability than Karius, Fekir is class, Dembele has better potencial than Salah and Ceballos has better potencial than Emre.
I suppose to some extent their ability’s are correct. ( FM has their own scouting network ) just saying 😬.


4.) 18 May 2018 14:41:03
Well said 87red i posted something similar last week. Like deja vu. Am afraid if you're expecting us to go sign world class players you clearly don't grasp what klopp and fsg are about. We can't just go and throw £200m on defence in one window etc. And tbh id rather klopps way anyway love watching players grow and improve like ox mane salah id have that any day over pogba sanchez etc.


5.) 18 May 2018 14:48:28
Have to agree with MK here, no one is biting the hand that feeds them. Most if not all the users of this site appreciate maccas insight and he more often than not produces the goods along with the Ed’s. No ones complaining about the information and where it’s coming from. If people are criticising it’s towards some of the targets and like MK has said it’s usually constructive criticism, people have grown to trust the recruitment but how many times in the past have we been burnt by bad expensive purchases. Can you really blame people for having doubts? If we just sat there on this site and just said ‘well I trust the recruitment so I have no opinion on said player till they play for us’ then this would be one boring site with no debating going on what so ever. Player bashing is different from constructive criticism, no one has said any of these players are absolute rubbish but some people are doubiting whether some of them would really push us to that next level, what wrong with that?


6.) 18 May 2018 14:53:54
On one hand people say stop worrying about money and the other hand they are skeptical we don’t have £200 mill to spend. Coco, how do you know how much money have we got to spend this summer? Where did you get these numbers from! Including Kieta I am sure Klopp will spend £200 mill this summer.

Regarding players and opinions. there's is absolutely no problem in having an opinion on players. That is why you watch a match and not listen to radio! You could see what the player is all about. Having an opinion means you have seen the player play!


7.) 18 May 2018 16:13:36
I genuinely can’t see any positives go Tarkowski, he’s a dyed in the wool Man United supporter and I’d rather not have one of those in the ranks, he’s slow, clumsy, doesn’t read the game very well and is poor on the ball. Ok I get that he throws his body around to block etc, but really? Is that the best we can do?

Dembélé, his move to Barcelona hasn’t gone as well as he’d hoped, the injury he suffered was a really severe one and I’d worry that he’d lost a yard or two of pace and also there’s question marks if he’d be able to deliver after such a bad injury, not even thinking about the possibility of reoccurrence.

Ceballos, good player, but not absolutely top class by a long way, I’m reluctant for us to have any transfer dealings with Real Madrid while they hold any interest in Salah as they’re likely to want to make us a lowball offer and chuck him in as part of the deal. Ruben Neves would be a far better option for a deeper playing midfielder because he can hack it in a more physical league and has settled well in England.

Butland, has had a nightmare of a time with injury, before that was probably the best English keeper around. He has the presence in the box but his decision making is questionable, however a far better option than Navas. For the right price would be an upgrade on Mignolet.

Fekir, actually really like this player, has the ability to be top class. Can play multiple positions in attacking midfield and even as a false nine.


8.) 18 May 2018 16:22:08
87

I don't understand your post. Whether people have opinions or not on the players that macca posted has no relevance to whether or not they were grateful for the post itself.

Im pretty sure macca doesn't take offence to the fact that someone doesn't rate the players he has stated we are interested in. He is only merely stating that's who he thinks we are interested in and shouldn't take any offence at all if someone personally thinks they aren't good enough.

If people didn't have opinions on players pretty much 90 per cent of all the posts on here would be gone.

Ofcourse every player the club sign should have full support and a chance to prove themselves but at the same time if someone feels that they don't think they are good enough from the off set what harm are they doing by stating their opinion on it.


9.) 18 May 2018 17:57:28
Wolverine,

People clamour for insight on a daily basis and the second me get one people do nothing but whinge about who we’re after.

Again, fans have been proven wrong on numerous occasions but still think they know more than the people in charge.


10.) 18 May 2018 18:06:37
I have no name. I was clearly meaning spending £200m after sales etc. Like the two Manchester teams can do, with there resources. Let's trust our transfer team and klopp, they have done brilliantly in the market up to now.


11.) 18 May 2018 19:48:50
87

Your getting too worked up about what other people are saying. Let them have their say be it right or wrong. If you feel what they say is wrong drop them a post and state your view as to why you think their wrong. Even world class managers have different opinions on players.

I do kinda get what your saying now though mate. I probaby should have read over your post again. I just thought that you were saying people wernt allowed to have an opinion. Which is a very unrealistic thing to ask.

It takes all types mate. Some people are naturally negative and gloomy about the future. Some are blindly ultra positive.

Im an optimist about all things liverpool and will give any new signing a chance but i can totally understand why some people would be really upset if for example you sold torres and bought andy carrol for 35 million.

I think its going to be a good summer. Klopp seems to be after who he needs for his system or who he needs for any tweaks to the system.

It looks like its all on the up.


 

 

 

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29 Aug 2018 12:06:17
you can also add djimi traore and john o'shea as champions league winners.

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09 Aug 2018 09:07:29
if signing a quality young keeper, kovacic, jorginho and potentially fekir then I've woken up in an alternate world?

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01 Aug 2018 09:08:19
I’m not criticising him if he goes to Barca. Just pointing out it’s contrary to his apparent unhappiness of being a bench player.

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01 Aug 2018 07:24:38
I completely get where axed is coming from here guys. Word is that Migs wants out of lfc due to not being no1 - so how would going to Barcelona solve that?

And Putney it’s says a lot of a career highlight would be barely playing (if at all) for Barca.

He’s good enough to play for a mid table/ just below prem team. He’ll get good wages and actually play.

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27 Jul 2018 10:40:08
I didn’t say he would Ed2. Hence why I said I’d be surprised.

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12 Oct 2018 18:58:15
Again ArAy, you’ve misread the whole situation, trust me.

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12 Oct 2018 11:32:06
I think you’ve completely misread his meaning there mate. There’s no malice there.

He’s talking about the old argument that English players get less hype from English fans than foreign ones do. That’s all.

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10 Oct 2018 09:01:11
I must have missed the part where we won 6 and drew 2 of our opening 8 games with Can. Those draws were away to Chelsea and against the defending champs, nothing to see here right now.

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05 Oct 2018 07:03:45
Marcelo Salas Ed, played for Lazio.

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02 Oct 2018 21:17:57
He will be struggling in Germany playing in France Harry.

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