20 Oct 2024 18:54:33
I'm sure this doesn't come as surprise. but I'm confused. Pgmol have been justifying decisions by saying we are relying on the on field decision. unless its clear and obvious.
Is the Jones penalty that? Some think it's a pen? Less don't? We keep being told players need to control their follow through? Why is has this threshold not been upheld here?
City goal. same as above. Is it clear n obvious? Micah Richards thinks not?
Pgmol will justify both decisions. I have no doubt. but forget the teams involved. Are these really clear n obvious?
20 Oct 2024 19:19:49
To be honest it doesn’t really matter, PGMOL will come out and whitewash everything with their BS excuses. Two occasions today VAR intervened on decisions which were not clear and obvious errors and ultimately got the wrong decision on both despite the ref being sent to the monitor. Scrap VAR all together and let the ref make their decisions on field, yes there will be errors there always has been but atleast we can accept a ref making a wrong call at first glance but all this VAR nonsense is just boring and tedious.
20 Oct 2024 19:33:48
I don't think it's clear and obvious you are right.
For me though it erred on the side of not a pen so I wasn't too upset about it.
However I did lose the plot that the ref just gave a free for anyone who fell down. Especially that last one by Darwin. That was so clearly not a foul.
At least we got the win. Too early to start complaining about ref decisions in this game or others. Other teams too have had bad ones against them like Arsenal. I think we ve been mostly ok with calls this year to be fair. City will always get calls their way. I'm sick of complaining about it. Forget it. Let's just keep the heads down and keep driving on. One game at time. Let's see if we can be in this thing this year.
20 Oct 2024 20:12:03
The process goes : Was a pen given? Agree with onfield decision. Did it affect City in a detrimental way? Overrule it with VAR.
20 Oct 2024 20:58:50
At first look in real time I didn’t call for a pen I just thought Curtis overran the ball so if the ref didn’t give I wouldn’t have been too aggrieved.
However once the ref did give it, it should not have been overturned because there was enough in it for it not to be clear and obvious.
The VAR make rod for their own backs, we’ve heard repeatedly from Webb this season about how they are doing a ‘light touch’ with VAR and how they don’t want to re-referee the games and then they go and do exactly that.
This incident will now be used time and time again to beat VAR over the head every time they don’t get involved because it’s not clear and obvious. They did it at Liverpool so why didn’t they do it here etc etc.
VAR is, always has been and always will be a shambles. They seem incapable of putting rules in place and sticking to them so inconsistency will always be a problem.
20 Oct 2024 21:45:02
If it was a defender that did exactly what Sanchez did it would’ve been a pen 100% or anywhere else on the pitch. As it was given I was surprised it was over turned. Thought the ref was hopeless today. The worst being the fouls given against Liverpool when Reece’s james was pressed and that put Jota through on goal. Jones was brilliant. Salah first half was as good as I’ve seen him in ages. The only small negative for me was kelleher seemed very reluctant to come off his line. There were a couple of incidents where defenders shielded the ball but he never came to collect.
21 Oct 2024 01:06:10
VAR doesn't make the rules so it can't make a rod for its own back.
It's just another referee following the rules laid down for it.
I don't think the Jones one was a penalty. The keeper got to the ball before Jones so why wo it be a penalty?
21 Oct 2024 04:02:56
Splitting hairs here.
The second foul on Jones was not a pen, so that’s pretty clearly an obvious error.
21 Oct 2024 04:58:27
I thought VAR got both major calls right. The Chelsea goal was onside and the tackle on Jones wasn't a penalty. We're only complaining because both calls were not in our favour, but since VAR got it right on both occasions, there should nothing to complain about really. We still won the game at the end of the day.
21 Oct 2024 09:23:13
LFC08, ever tried stand up coedy cos that was hilarious.
@Dracred, Im not complaining about anything. I actually agree with you that the ref and VAR got all the decisions correct except for the Tosin/ Jota situation.
Based on the actual law and just like Saliba at B'mouth, that should have been a red card cos all the parameters for eliminating a legitimate goal scoring opportunity were met, IMO. It doesn't matter if a defender was close to Tosin or not or whether the CB was the last man (never been a thing) or whether Jota could have scored or any of that crap the Chelsea fans are using to explain the absurd cos none of that was a thing when Saliba had a brain fart either.
Jota had a chance to get the ball with ackers of space to run into with Gakpo sprinting in support to either square it to Gakpo or face Sanchez directly. All that was crossed out due to the challenge hence, stone-wall red, IMO. What say you, sir? .
21 Oct 2024 10:36:03
Rigsby it’s the PGMOL that’s controls VAR that decide the rules on how VAR will be used if we’re going to be pedantic about it.
Dracred and Faith, the fact that you don’t think it was a penalty is not the point. As I said, in real time I didn’t think it was a penalty either but once it was given there was enough in it for VAR to not intervene.
Even the pundits were split on whether it was or it wasn’t a penalty so how can that be clear and obvious?
I’ve actually got no problem with it not being a penalty, Jones should’ve tucked it away but he dallied and allowed the keeper to come out and get the ball but the keeper’s follow through caught him and he even raised his arm to throw Jones over his shoulder.
Once it was given, under the new rules that Webb has used to justify VAR not getting involved in these kinds of decisions, it should not have been overturned. Now there will be loads of teams pointing to this every time Webb says VAR are allowing refs to referee games without getting involved too much.
I’m not complaining about it I’m just making an observation. The PGMOL need to make rules that the VAR stick to but they keep going against their own rules in isolated incidents which just causes inconsistency and confusion.
21 Oct 2024 11:33:28
BP, someone has to decide whether it is clear and obvious. Not everyone has to agree that it is.
Who do you think decides that an error is clear and obvious?
21 Oct 2024 11:36:09
"The PGMOL need to make rules that the VAR stick to but they keep going against their own rules in isolated incidents which just causes inconsistency and confusion. "
@BP, I have no issues with the decisions last nigh except the Tosin/ Jota topic and I have explained that. Now your quot above is highlighted cos IMO, they do this cos they can't stand the backlash that comes with ref. issues on a week by week basis nor do they have the fortitude to take responsibility and stick with the rules they themselves set.
They now say what suits them on an incident by incident basis just to survive the weekly news cycle. If you have to change your standards every time to suit whatever narrative then, you have NO standards. It is what it is.
21 Oct 2024 12:20:25
Sanchez hits the ball back on to Jones who manages to ricochet through the keepers legs and is still taken out on the second challenge. It’s a pen it amazes me how anyone could think any different lots of people would still make terrible referees it seems. Certain penalty the official where obviously trying there best to not give us anything the entire game just the same as usual. Well done lads for once again overcoming the opposition as well as the officials.