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26 Jul 2023 09:14:32
Few rumours circulating that Liverpool are interested in Kessie and a deal could be done quickl, could be an interesting signing and compliment a signing like Lavia well. Would give us more experience in midfield and is still only 26.


1.) 26 Jul 2023 09:34:54
I would be very keen on this, I think he’s a decent player for whom the move to Barcelona hasn’t worked out.

I actually posted a week or so ago as to whether a Thiago+cash deal could be done with Barcelona if they were interested in having Thiago return and finish his career where he started it.

Lavia + Kessie (with or without Thiago going the other way) and I think our midfield is done.

Then just get the CB sorted ?.

2.) 26 Jul 2023 10:04:09
Agreed Zeddicus.

Plus, wasn't Klopp keen on him last season?

3.) 26 Jul 2023 10:13:48
Is kessie not an alternative instead of lavia?

4.) 26 Jul 2023 10:30:18
Yep, he was PV. Hopefully he gets his man this time.

No, Magico, I believe, and Ed002 shares that opinion, that we will get Lavia + one other CM given we are losing Hendo, Fab and possibly Thiago too.

If Thiago went, and we get Lavia and Kessie (who is a versatile midfielder who can play CDM, CM and CAM) we would have:

CDM: Lavia, Bajcetic, (Kessie, TAA)

CM: Mac Allister, Szoboszlai, Jones, Elliot (Kessie)

We don't really play with CAMs, but Szob, Elliot and Jones could play in that position, as could Gakpo.

To me that presents a decent balance, albeit quite a young midfield - if we ignore Trent, there's an average age of 21/ 22. I know we had more midfielders last season, but most of them were on the treatment table! With a bit of luck we get good availability from all of the above so plenty of rotation options without clogging the team (and wage roll) or blocking development.

5.) 26 Jul 2023 10:31:05
What’s Kessie like Zed?

We need a MK player review!

6.) 26 Jul 2023 11:22:34
Yeah, you're right, NK! I only know what I have read, I haven't specifically watched Kessie play. He's described as an all rounder and also apparently available for a reasonable price (c£25-£30m) so seems a good fit for us being an older pro.

I know nothing about his character, leadership qualities etc.

Where are you, Adam?!

7.) 26 Jul 2023 11:41:24
A few comments from Ed002 on the availability of Kessie:

14 Jul 23 - Ed002's Note - I suspect Kessie will go out on a loan or loan to buy deal.

7 Jun 23 - Ed002's Note - I am not aware of a bid being made but the third party looking to broker a sale says Klopp is keen.

6 Jun 23 - Franck Kessie (CM) Not working out - available. Inter or Spurs may offer a solution. A third party has offered him to Newcastle and Liverpool. [T]he player is fine but it simply did not work out.

Some posts from 2021/ 22 are not that encouraging - he wanted a huge signing on bonus as a free, Ed0666 wasn't that keen on him saying his form had suffered at AC Milan etc.

He's not had huge injury problems - 2 muscle injuries in 22/ 23 and 21/ 22 keeping him out for 4- 6 weeks each, other than that, he's had a handful of minor strains (absence of 1-6 days each) . In total he's missed less than 90 days in the last 5 seasons.

If Klopp and the team like him, he could be the sort of bargain that we are renowned for.

8.) 26 Jul 2023 12:03:04
A loan would be a great bit of business, but the idea of the trade between Thiago and Kessie is a good one too (much as we know player trades don't really happen often) . I have to admit, I'd be gutted to lose Thiago, but you can totally understand if he wants to return to Barcelona to end his career.

If we get Lavia, I think Kessie would be an excellent choice to finish up the Midfield for now. He adds good level experience, physicality and adaptability.

{Ed002's Note - Right now, Barcelona are trying to get wages off the books and will accept loans with the obligation to buy, but they could do with some cash as they try to regroup - so a preference will be to sell, even at a slight discount.}

9.) 26 Jul 2023 12:22:26
Ed002, I may be pushing my luck here (and apologies if that is the case) but do you think Kessie could be a shrewd acquisition for Liverpool? Do you consider him to be a decent player who would suit the Premier League's physicality?

{Ed002's Note - There is no doubt Kessie is a good player and he would certainly fit in the Premier League and a third-party has been asking around for interest on behalf of his agent. Even though the wage issue and signing on fee needs resolving, Juventus are well placed to give him the move he wants as they have a tax advantage. So I think any move to Liverpool may be difficult, but not impossible.}

10.) 26 Jul 2023 12:25:42
I'd just get lavia and thuram. And if thiago goes another. maybe kone or palinha.

11.) 26 Jul 2023 12:34:18
Thank you Ed002.

12.) 26 Jul 2023 13:34:01
I'll be honest lads i haven't seen that much of Kessie recently. The last time i saw him play was when Nat Phillips sent him and Zlatan for a hotdog with a Cruyff turn 8 yards from our goal ?

He was a good player from memory, but i always saw him more as an energetic box to box player, probably another who is misidentified as a DM because he likes a tackle. More like a Kante type player than and Fabinho in my opinion. If you shackled him in a holding role you would take away his best asset which is his work rate and powerful running. I can't say i've seen him play since he left AC Milan though.

13.) 26 Jul 2023 14:21:36
Although my preference is still for Lavia and Thuram, I wouldn't be against Kessie being brought in. Even if he is more of a CM than a DM (as people are saying) it's not a deal-killer for me; just a matter of telling him to focus on the DM role of protecting the back 4, tackling potential threats and positioning himself to cut off passes through the channels.

It wouldn't be the first time we've bought a player and asked him to play a different role from the one he previously played. As long as Klopp and staff think he can do it, as well as the player agreeing with the "new role", there shouldn't be any fuss.



05 Jun 2023 11:25:57
MacAllister being reported as done by Fabrizio, medical in next 48 hours and fee ‘way less than £60m’, intrigued to know what ‘way less’ means… money aside a good solid signing and someone who has all the tools to prosper in our team.


1.) 05 Jun 2023 12:16:16
Anything less than 50 million is a fantastic deal given the season he’s just had! Think he’ll be a great signing for us.

2.) 05 Jun 2023 12:18:12
Very good start to the window. He certainly improves the first 11. We do seem to be loaded on the left mid position.

3.) 05 Jun 2023 12:22:29
The rumour going around is 47 million. Will be interesting to know the specifics of this release clause because apparently it is not an ordinary one. Perhaps related to Brighton making Europa League. Possible that is what activated the clause.

Either way, that is a great deal for us. When I heard 70 million for Alexis Mac Allister, my only concern was the price because he is still a very good player. Now, that fee is a little more manageable, if true.

Our midfield rebuild is already continuing on the right foot. If we get Thuram, then I will be elated. Then, Kone. Still, I see Veiga's 40 million release clause and kind of hope we go for him. But, then that is 4 midfielders, which is too many. So not happening. Great player though.

Only concern really is how this will impact Bajcetic's development. Then again, we have Europa to give squad players more opportunity. Perhaps this is the perfect time to be in Europa League over the Champions League. The level of competition isn't as high, and allows for more rest periods for our main starters.

Next season can not come sooner.

4.) 05 Jun 2023 13:16:53
Reports say £45m . Don't know if that correct or not. Will be good player for us, v good all round midfielder who can do bit of everything.

5.) 05 Jun 2023 12:57:52
Will be interesting to know what we plan to do with Mac Allister. I hope it is for the left sided midfield roles ie no8 in the 433 or no10 in the box midfield. I think that would suit him best and he will really enjoy playmaking Lucho, Darwin and Jota in that quarter of the pitch.

That does make the right sided midfield more curious. Can see why Veiga is being linked. Is he ready to take the position off Henderson now?

6.) 05 Jun 2023 13:34:39
For 45 mil it’s brilliant business. Enables us to sign 3 mids for the price of Bellingham which makes it understandable why we stepped back from the deal. Hopefully we don’t take our foot off the gas and sign all the players we need to get back challenging. 3 mids and a CB would be a great window and seems affordable with Mac being nearly half the price it was being reported.

Strange that everyone wasn’t in for him at that price though. Seems far too straightforward for how cheap we are getting him but not complaining.

7.) 05 Jun 2023 13:37:12
Well if that fee is accurate I don’t know how we have got him for that. Hopefully Thuram follows.

8.) 05 Jun 2023 13:26:55
Reports now saying even lower than £45mil. The way this is going Brighton will be paying us!

9.) 05 Jun 2023 15:38:16
I wouldn't get too excited by the fees, guys. We'll have probably paid an eye watering agent fee.

10.) 05 Jun 2023 16:07:17
Apparently below £45m for how well run Brighton are i don’t see how he ended up with that in his contract only signed in October. They got 60 for Cucurella 50 for White etc before he signed it.

11.) 05 Jun 2023 19:46:10
Right side mid I. e Hendo’s position is there for Trent to take I think. I would hate for us to make all these great signing and stick with this hybrid role thing. Yeah It worked because teams didn’t expect it but they will continue to target the open space down our right hand side when Trent moves to midfield and target him specifically when he drops back into defence. He needs to move to midfield full time and put a proper RB in that position to plug these weaknesses.

12.) 06 Jun 2023 01:45:09
Is it possible that the fee might be lower than the £70m we all thought we were going to pay until Saturday just gone because we are going to pay all / the greater majority of the fee as an initial ‘lump sum’. If it is then it’s not really a sustainable way to sign, say, another two midfielders, a centre back and any one of a RB, LB or RM in the upcoming window.



02 Jun 2023 07:53:46
Has interest in mount completely gone? He is a good premier league player who could offer something to our attacking midfield but appears massively overpriced given he is entering his final year of contract, 100% swerve to me…more than happy to see Utd mess around for months negotiating with Chelsea for a money draining signing and wouldn’t be surprised to see a last minute change of mind and new contract with Chelsea being agreed.


{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Chelsea having given Liverpool a price for Mason Mount but they are in discussions with another side about him.}

1.) 02 Jun 2023 12:37:51
Last I heard they wanted 85m for him. come on your having a laugh Chelsea. 50m max for me.

2.) 02 Jun 2023 13:55:57
Utd will stump up what Chelsea are asking for. Like it or not Utd can offer CL football we can’t so we have to let some of our targets go to our nearest rivals when it comes down to financial details.

3.) 02 Jun 2023 14:13:57
Delighted he’s chose them reds over us.

4.) 02 Jun 2023 14:30:44
Daretodream. If Utd are willing to meet Chelsea and the players (apparent) demands then WOW, they are welcome to him. He's not THAT good. Just hope we get McAllister signed.

5.) 02 Jun 2023 14:34:51
Good player, seems a nice enough lad. Not an easy decision to leave Chelsea if he does go.

Definitely not the player we need.

6.) 02 Jun 2023 14:39:56
With MacAllister all but done focus needs to be on defensive cover and CM, in my opinion mount never made sense as to me he is a similar profile to Elliott?

7.) 02 Jun 2023 15:31:20
RedDan I get what you are saying but he was a main target for us and he has chosen Utd over us. Hard to swallow that’s all.

8.) 02 Jun 2023 16:10:51
How exactly has he chosen Utd over us if we haven’t even tried to agree terms with him, or tried to negotiate a fee with Chelsea?

If we was a main target for us and we were that bothered, we’d be trying a bit harder to sign him don’t you think.

You’re absolutely unbearable drunk the transfer window mate ??‍♂️.

9.) 02 Jun 2023 16:27:06
For the reported 85m I'd be going for declan rice myself. we don't need mount.

10.) 02 Jun 2023 17:52:13
Mount would be a replacement for Ox in my opinion. I can't see him surpassing that level hut happy to be proven wrong.

11.) 02 Jun 2023 17:54:19
Should say during the transfer window.

12.) 02 Jun 2023 17:56:50
Let him go to Utd. Not sure he’s that good really. I like what I’ve heard and seen of Kone and Thuram, it’s these signings we should be after. If not bargains then certainly players who have real potential. Like many I’m gutted we aren’t going all out for Bellingham, but we just have to be better at scouting like Brighton have.

13.) 02 Jun 2023 18:26:55
Klopp doesn't play with the type of playing profile that Mount has. Pretty much a No.10, hanging just behind the forwards and always ready to pounce on any goal scoring opportunities. If Klopp was seriously interested then I think it would have been with the intention of turning him into a CM; exactly what he did with Wijnaldum by taking a No.10 and coaching in defensive skills to the already existing offensive skills.

I'm happy Mount is going elsewhere. The only benefit I saw of him joining was his homegrown status and not much else. We are in no state to be paying premiums for that, if it can be avoided.

{Ed002's Note - You wonder why Klopp tapped him up the ?}

14.) 02 Jun 2023 22:00:43
Are any of the players we seem to be after - Mac Alister, Thuram and / or Kone a possible replacement for Gini? I know it’s about 20 years since he played for us but some of the lads on here still tend to fret that he hasn’t been replaced and was just hoping that we could call one of the newbies ‘the new Gini’. It’ll make next season a lot more of a happy experience.



25 May 2023 21:58:35
Reports all over the media that Ugarte is off to PSG with Chelsea rumoured to be willing to trigger his release clause also. After the tapping up warning do you know if we have walked away from this option, is it a done deal to PSG as is being reported or do you see a late play from Liverpool? Plenty of other options out there but exactly the profile of player I think we need.


{Ed002's Note - I explained - they do not wish to do business with Liverpool.}

1.) 25 May 2023 22:21:56
It's annoyingly counter-productive to spend all that time and resources scouting a player, concluding they would be a good addition to the squad, only to then tap up the player and annoy their club to such an extent that they won't do business. Time, money, and resources wasted.

2.) 25 May 2023 22:24:47
Still baffles me that we would mess around so much particularly when there is a clear release clause which others are willing to trigger! Either indicate that you are willing to trigger the clause and get permission to speak to the player or move on. very disappointing that we are still at this kind of behaviour as it ultimately costs us targets! Who would be your preference as an alternative, I like the look of Kephren Thurman but in your last update I think you said we had looked at him and that there are other more active teams pursuing him, he appears to be one of the closest profiles to Ugarte or can you recommend any other DM players that may be an option.

{Ed002's Note - Actually nobody was willing to pay it but after discussions with thwo sides they both are.}

3.) 25 May 2023 22:37:17
That’s an interesting update Ed, maybe if we went the right way about this transfer it would have been 3 clubs willing. do you think we go back now and offer the release ( if it meets out valuation of the player) or do we need to walk away completely or risk being reported/ sanctioned? all this repeated tapping up *** either highlights that we are trying to reduce transfer fees or we aren’t convinced that we can attract players on a level playing field and need to perform some dark arts persuasions.

{Ed002's Note - I am not so sure they would.}

4.) 25 May 2023 23:53:35
Makes me laugh when idiots say “we do things the right way” when we evidently don’t.

5.) 26 May 2023 02:07:30
Seems like we never learned from previous mistakes. Not sure if this is the reason why Michael Edwards and now Julian Ward has decided to leave the club.

6.) 26 May 2023 07:33:15
I think why klopp does this and always has done it is because he's operating with a team who has less financial power and to an certain extent less attractive than his competitors. I think he feels if he can talk face to face with player is the best way to overcome this. If you look back to tapping up of vvd, city+ chelsea and possibly man utd where all interested in him at time, no doubt all 3 couldve offered him more wages and at time city + chelsea certainly more chance of winning trophies and being successful.
I'm not condoning it, it's disrespectful to players current club, but that's why I think he does it.

7.) 26 May 2023 08:20:54
Digger10 why doesn’t Klopp just wait until the players club gives us permission? Surely it’s not hard to do.
And in terms of VVD we had to pay over the odds due to Klopp tapping up.

8.) 26 May 2023 08:35:04
@ Digger, spot on, but say it as it is, we can't compete with most of the other teams in the league financially, until w sell it will always be that way, or at least until ffp is actually used correctly.

{Ed001's Note - or we start using our funds correctly. We can compete if we manage our finances properly. Hopefully now Ward and Edwards are out of the club that might actually happen.}

9.) 26 May 2023 08:44:12
We’ll know by August where all of this behaviour leaves us. The window was already the most crucial one in Klopp’s tenure without having other clubs refusing to talk to us.

10.) 26 May 2023 09:38:07
Jude to be fair the Portuguese league is much better than the Bundesliga. I don't recall their strongest side getting battered by Rangers at home.

11.) 26 May 2023 09:47:55
Will never be able to compete against other clubs financially. Unless we have different set of owners. The last decade has shown even top of the tree we couldn't compete financially against clubs who weren't in champions league forget now when we need massive rebuilding.

The way things are going unfortunately I doubt Klopp or FSG are going to last much longer.

There's a reason they've been testing the market to see how much billionaires are willing to pay for us hence going publicly last few months.

12.) 26 May 2023 10:11:42
Astarkey. I think klopp believes he needs to speak to the player 1st as he needs player to put pressure on his existing club that it's lfc he wants to play for not man city/ chelsea etc. That's hoping the player has a good relationship with his existing club that club takes this into account.
Again I'm not saying this is the right way to do things.

13.) 26 May 2023 11:00:54
Hi Ed001. You mention edwards and ward, if we can manage the funds correctly we can compete? Can you explain a little more on this and what you mean?

Was it because we were offering too high wages thus leaving our fund pot lower?

Be good to get more on what you mean by that.


{Ed001's Note - not just salaries, though that was a huge part of it. It is the overall package, obscene agent fees, bonuses etc added to having too many players left us haemorrhaging money. City have a smaller squad than us, so clearly it is not necessary to have as many players as we do. You are talking tens of millions a year that is just wasted. For instance, just Naby Keita alone was costing us around £10m a year, so when you have 5 players too many in the squad, for example, even if you average it out at £5m a year for them, that is £25m that you do not have available for transfers.

If you have a squad of 20 players, even if the average weekly wage is reduced by just (just! What a world these pampered brats live in!) £5k a week, which is easily done, that is over £5m savings for the club over the year. That is money that could potentially be put towards a new signing. And most of the players are overpaid by a much larger amount than £5k a week.

Once you start adding it all up, on top of any money you would receive for selling any of the excess players, it can significantly alter the transfer budget available. A lot of that is on Klopp, who is far too keen to hang on to players and wanted 5 centre-backs for this season. If you can't trust the ones you have to stay fit, you don't keep an extra one just in case, you get rid of them and bring in someone who can stay fit!

And when someone comes in with a loan offer for Keita, you have to be a fool to reject it, even if they are only offering to pay a percentage of his wage. You just get that shirker as far away from the club as possible. I am still disgusted by the club referring to him as a 'legend' when he left. He should have been embarrassed by that label. To put him alongside Millie and Bobby was a disgrace. Utterly sickening. It was disrespectful to those two.}

14.) 26 May 2023 11:32:12
Absolutely agree with your comment on Naby. I've not seen anything really said about though.

How he was paraded with Milner and Bobby I just don't understand. They both gave everything for the club. Naby didn't even break a sweat.

Don't understand it at all.

If I was Naby, I would have done the decent thing and refused.

I'm surprised they actually found some pictured of him playing to actually put in the frame!

{Ed001's Note - must have been photoshopped....}

15.) 26 May 2023 12:05:59
So, Ed001 regarding your response to Sl09, I'm not sure you were clear on your feelings about Keita. What do you really think? :-)

{Ed001's Note - sorry mate, I will try and make myself more clear in future. I know I do tend to sit on the fence.}

16.) 26 May 2023 12:33:32
Well, there's no Edwards and Ward to hide behind now, Ed.

Klopp is in full control.

This summer will be revealing - in terms of the profile of signings and the tactics.

While I may sound like a broken record on this, we need to freshen up or add to the coaching staff. We shouldn't be so arrogant to think we can keep generating fresh new ideas internally with the same people.

{Ed001's Note - definitely. And not allow the ones we have at the club to be so arrogant as to be releasing books about the season.}

17.) 26 May 2023 13:23:46
Absolutely nailed it Ed001. Blows my mind that people would rather blame FSG for lack of funds. FSG have their flaws (trademark, super league etc) but one thing you cannot accuse them of is trying to micromanage transfer or withhold funds the club has earned from being spent.

{Ed001's Note - they have very little to none involvement in the day-to-day running of the club. They appoint people to roles and then let them do their job.}

18.) 25 May 2023 23:28:04
Do you have insight from the players side as to preferred destination, given that Liverpool didn’t return with an offer to the club do you think he has eyes on someplace else. Regardless of where he ends up I hope we start doing business the right way, Liverpool is a footballing institution and should carry themselves better!

{Ed002's Note - His agent and his representative have moved on from pushing Spurs to seeking an agreement with PSG or Chelsea, and they would not do that if they player was not happy with it. Sporting have been clear that they do not wish to do business with Liverpool.}

19.) 26 May 2023 15:09:40
If we are praising fsg for putting staff in jobs and letting them get on with it, surly we can't beat klopp with a stick for allowing his staff to get on with it. If klopp takes the heat because he not in control of his staff tight enough surly fsg as owners should be under scrutiny as it them (Mike Gordon I presume) that has put edwards/ ward in there job.

20.) 26 May 2023 12:20:07
I get that Ed, but you see the crap, like Keita and you get better players who force them out, Bajetic and Jones will save us needing extra players, when you get a talent like Bellingham desperate to join then not even entertain changing a little bit of a budget to get him, yet look to pay way over the odds for a player like MacAllister or Mount for similar money, it doesn't make sense, yes Klopp is too blame too, he won't come out and get into a slagging match with the owners as him and his Mrs love it in Liverpool, he has been approached by Real, Barca, Spur, Chelsea but Loves it here, they know that, they care only about their US Business, anyone who doesn't want them out needs to see they are bleeding the club dry and setting us back, we are lucky to still have Klopp.

{Ed001's Note - what on earth are you wittering on about? This is just utter deluded nonsense due to your irrational hatred of the owners. You need help.}

21.) 26 May 2023 15:03:37
All I want to say on that. Thank you for the awesome response Ed :) appreciate the time to write and put that info down.

That goes to ed002 as well for all the amazing work you put in for this.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}

22.) 26 May 2023 20:45:45
Our behaviour as a club needs to improve and we have to mend fences quickly. Keita has been a terrible signing and he’s taken the mick for much of his time with the club, and stolen a living. Both him and Ox should have been sold last summer.

23.) 28 May 2023 04:42:57
That was a tough read Lancaster. Just sounded like a twist to find a way to blame the owners again.

Back to edwards and Ward, ed1 is bang on as we’ve said in the past. People talk about needing depth, but we’ve had one of the biggest squads in the league. Poorly managed squad and think we need smarter people in those roles.




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26 Jun 2024 01:25:12
Has everyone been watching Nunez in Copa America, the lad is on fire for Uruguay! Biesla certainly knows how to get a tune out of him…admittedly he could have scored even more goals than he has if his finishing was a bit more clinical but he clearly trives under a different set up and in particular in a team which presses high! Optimistic for next season under Slot and let’s hope we play a system which will play to his strengths.


1.) 26 Jun 2024 07:06:36
Good to see him get a goal against Panama and hopefully he gets a few more for his confidence.

“he could have scored even more goals than he has if his finishing was a bit more clinical” sounds like a similar issue he’s had with us despite Uruguay setting up differently and Bielsa supposedly getting more of a tune out of him.

Biggest issue we might have is Uruguay have every chance of going to the final which is 15 Jul and the with 3 weeks break it means Slot won’t likely see Nunez u it’ll August which will be 2 weeks before the season kicks off.

Doesn’t leave the new manager much time to work with Nunez or build a system around him.

I’d imagine the system will be to the squads strengths and players will need to adapt and get onboard with it.

2.) 26 Jun 2024 08:59:39
The plus side of that is that Nunez comes back full of confidence and happy, JK, he could end up top scorer of the copa.

3.) 26 Jun 2024 09:31:31
Yes he could Patrik"if his finishing is a bit more clinical". But hey shudn worry cos Bielsa can get a tune outa him? ?. Bloke just needs to start putting more of the guilt edged clear cut chances his teammates are creating in the back of the net, no more excuses.

4.) 26 Jun 2024 11:16:26
I'm sure Anre Slot is watching. Positive signs.

5.) 26 Jun 2024 11:56:07
Darwin has always killed it with Uruguay so no surprise here. the question will always be whether he can translate such consistent goalscoring ability (which he has shown he has with Uruguay and Benfica) into consistent goalscoring in the PL, the highest level he has played at in club football. That's the only question for me personally.

6.) 26 Jun 2024 11:58:48
Think Nunez is always going to be the same Nunez . people looking at systems for him to thrive etc . but as everyone knows if his finishing was more assured clinical, he'd be a world beater.

7.) 26 Jun 2024 12:21:41
Patrik the more confidence he comes back with mate the better. Gakpo is in amongst the goals in the euros as well so good positive signs for them both.

Still no news on Salah and the Olympics and let’s also hope Jota is injury free come August and Diaz raring to go.

8.) 26 Jun 2024 13:46:36
I'm by no means a football tactical genius, but people keep talking about 'the system' to get the best out of Nunez. Did the system last season not create a huge amount of opportunities for him that he missed due to his poor finishing?
I feel like it is the individual at fault here, not the system and unless he improves his own abilities, whatever system we deploy will still end with him missing most chances.

9.) 26 Jun 2024 16:03:13
Stuie, Darwin needs to improve on his overall game. It is also true that the system is part of the problem hence, why people are talking about it. For ex. at Benfica, they never asked him to press, track back, defend, make tackles and so on. You know where else he does not do that? With Uruguay. All they ask him to do is be available for the team whenever they need him to relieve pressure or be there when the chances come and even tho he does not score them all, he scores/ scored enuff at both places. Don't forget that confidence is a huge thing cos at Uruguay, he has the confidence/ support of his whole team and countrymen.

Now with us, the slow possession system doesn't work at times cos we are/ were too busy passing the ball we win it. That was the hallmark of our offensive play cos why? We were NOT a possession team. So the chances we create for him/ he create for himself, of course he should score more but I think he just needs to calm down BUT that's hard cos he is running at full speed towards goal and trus me, it does not help. That's on him to improve on and for Slot to help him.

And one more thing, for a team that possesses a CF with the qualities Darwin possesses, why don't we cross the ball more? We have the two best deliverers of a football the PL (in Trent and Robbo/ Tsimikas) has ever seen yet we barely cross the ball to a player who is pretty good in the air. What's up with that? Also, were they coaching him on how to time his runs better? Cos he kept making the same runs and got caught offside. You can't just ignore that cos I've observed the same thing.

Now I am NOT saying Slot should play the way Uruguay plays or Benfica played when Darwin was/ is with them. All Im saying is that it's NOT always on the player. Coaches exist for a reason.

10.) 26 Jun 2024 16:34:52
That's all well and good Oli and you do raise some valid points, but at the end of the day, whether the ball is crossed he's one on one or on the edge of the box, regardless of how he got in that position with the ball at his feet, the aim is to put it in the net, and he more often than not can't seem to do it.
Confidence comes into it but he doesn't strike me as someone low on confidence, I just think he is a poor finisher when you drill down into it. You also noted his offsides which is a good point as well. I think next season is make or break for Darwin with LFC.

11.) 26 Jun 2024 19:14:04
That told you, Stuie ?.

The two best deliverers of a ball the PL has ever seen in Trent and Robertson/ Tsimikas?
What about de Bruyne and Beckham, Oli?

{Ed025's Note - i forgot to explain that Oli had been on really strong drugs when he said that about Robbo and Tsimikas Rigsby, the 2 of them couldn,t deliver a letter never mind a cross mate.. :)

12.) 26 Jun 2024 20:31:05
Robertson isn't that bad when he doesn't hit the first defender which isn't very often. But Tsimikas!
Trent is not as good as de Bruyne or Beckham either. I could add Henry, Bergkamp, Ronaldo and David Silva if we're talking about delivery.

13.) 26 Jun 2024 20:36:32
Stuie, Darwin does not lack confidence for sure BUT that has it's limits too as we have seen with him deleting his LFC stuff on SM due to the dog's abuse he was getting.

Also, I see your points as well. Im just giving you a diff. point of view cos these are very nuanced topics that don't just come down to one or two issues alone. Darwin has shown the ability to work on his game and improve, which he has done from two seasons ago to last season. He just needs to increase his output by another 5 to 10 goals and nobody's talking. IMO, That's how close he is to being a very good finisher, not a poor one. Peace.

14.) 26 Jun 2024 21:14:45
Slot may be able to get a tune out of him but the issue is the PL is FAST compared to international football.

You have less time to pick your spot. Less time to react to chances.

Clean slate, new coaches etc. I still think he needs to work hard at his game.

15.) 26 Jun 2024 22:25:19
I think that Slot will get far more financial backing from FSG than Klopp did at his beginning. Simply because of the financial health of the club back then and the situation now. But along with that financial support will be greater pressure to produce results and win things, on Slot. And if that happens, then Darwin will have to step up and become "the main man" because (Salah is leaving this summer or next) Slot can't afford to maintain a "wait and see" posture with Darwin for ever.

People rarely mention it, but Darwin was supposed to be our answer to the Haaland purchase by ManCity. It hasn't worked out that way, but it doesn't mean it can't be corrected or changed. But I disagree with people who say "it will depend on Slot and his tactics etc etc". I think more depends on Darwin himself than anything else.

16.) 26 Jun 2024 23:44:54
I’m not so sure that Darwin is as full of confidence all the time as you think, stuie, his performances near the end of the season were that of a player who was getting in his own head and thinking too much when he got the ball (as well as us being more slow and ponderous in possession in general, which obviously don’t suit a player like him) . It has happened before at Benfica, incidentally another season where he received negative press and fan attention, but when he got going the next season, he was relentless, scoring and creating for others. He is clearly an incredibly emotional and instinctive player, and needs the right environment to succeed, but also the right tactical setup.

17.) 27 Jun 2024 00:39:31
Nunez is up to ten goals away from being a very good finisher?
Is the reason that he doesn't get another ten goals because he isn't a very good finisher?
The finishing usually comes before the goals ?.



16 May 2024 16:26:16
What do people think of this vote to scrap VAR? For me it’s never going to happen and the vote is being used to facilitate change.

This has got me thinking, what are the big changes that need to happen next season to improve VAR.

In no particular order;

1- Automated offside - these need to come in

2- playing the review live into the stadium so fans have a clue what is going on.

3- no decisions made by stockley park officials, the ref should be making all subjective decisions (except offside) watch the review on the big screen and make their own opinion up

4- removal of clear and obvious, if an error has been made it should be corrected and that responsiblity lies with the ref.

5- stop using so much slow motion replays, slow motion should only be used to confirm where a foul occurred ( inside or outside the box scenario) or where contact was made ( high tackle or to confirm if there was a handball)

6- cut the time for decisions, if something takes 3 or 4 minutes to review then it’s never going to please everyone and it is clearly a subjective decision so go with what you think is the correct call after reviewing the footage

7- remove Howard Webb, this man wants publicity and craves attention, scrap this Mic’d up rubbish with Michael Owen and get on with it

8- stop expecting perfection, we will never get 100% of the calls correct so stop measuring refs to this standard.


1.) 16 May 2024 16:58:26
VAR is just a qualified referee watching an incident multiple times on a tv screen, anything less than 100% success rate is unacceptable.
Ultimately fans can accept and move of from a referee on the pitch making a wrong decision but not from someone watching something multiple times and still making the wrong decision.
Get rid of it.

2.) 16 May 2024 17:52:45
I’ve dabbled with the notion of bin VAR too but where does that leave us, a terrible referee making a decision on their own! If they can’t make a decision with 100s of camera angles and a team of refs then it will only get worse on their own. I guess the big decision is, does the marginal increase in correct decisions coming from VAR mitigate against the negatives which VAR brings ( fan experience and speed of the game) .

3.) 16 May 2024 21:48:24
Multiple posts on this and not seeing any valid points about why it should be binned other than hysterics over the extreme mistakes.

Need to evolve and get better at using the technology.

4.) 17 May 2024 15:34:37
For me:

1 - offsides, let play continue then have the VAR check (as it is currently) but no lines to check millimetres. Only one still, when the ball is played and along the line and look with the naked eye. If he's on or off it's usually obvious, if you need lines to determine if his wee toe is offside then it's too close to tell and the benefit of the doubt/ advantage goes to the attacker - simples, and should be less than a minute to sort

2 - I too like the idea of the replays been shown in the stadium. It works in Rugby, something happens, a short delay and then the decision and the replay is shown backing that decision made - no bother, quick and the fans actually know what is happening and why

3 - I do not like this 'clear and obvious' nonsense. If the VAR official spots something the onfield refs missed, then direct the ref to the monitor, but it is his call and his call alone. If after watching he is happy with the onfield call then so be it, his call

4 - the time it takes annoys me too and seems contradictive to the purpose of VAR. If VAR only gets involved within the parameters of 'clear and obvious' well then it shouldn't take 5 mins plus should it? If it is clear and bloody obvious then you should kinda see it quite clearly shouldn't you? The thousands of us watching at home do.

5 - I dislike Webb as well, all about him - also, he has shown a complete negligence in managing this issue. Should it really take this long? Has he never managed a team before? Performance management/ corrective action? Really should not be alien concepts to a man in his position.

6 - VAR is a great tool but is being horribly mismanaged. Either that or we will find out that 6 of these guys have been bribed or are in a betting syndicate or something cos what other reasons are there for the same 6 or so experienced refs making ridiculous error after ridiculous error week after week after week and somehow face no sanctions for this? What other job in the world could you perform as consistently poorly and have nothing done?



30 Apr 2024 21:12:54
Why o why do they allow Howard Webb on tv with that other clown Michael Owen (the nodding dog) . It’s actually embarrassing hearing Webb defend incompetence, I’m not surprised that clubs and managers are now speaking out because Webb needs to go! Why can’t he just come out and say that it was a mistake because we already know it was a mistake so now instead of simply making a mistake they are also liars or delusional…personally I can accept errors but the blatant denial and whitewashing over errors is infuriating.


1.) 30 Apr 2024 22:10:01
The game is officiated by humans?

So goal line technology? The only decisions we can rely on - artificial intelligence.

2.) 30 Apr 2024 22:23:58
a joke and noddy Owen plays the perfect role , yes it's a joke but not funny.

3.) 30 Apr 2024 22:27:24
Michael Owen, a nodding dog? Good job Bobby Madley wasn’t there given his interest in the canine species.

4.) 30 Apr 2024 23:30:14
Im surprised Owen never had the courage to argue back considering the risks he took to throw his apple in the bin in front of his mother.

5.) 01 May 2024 00:25:27
Webbs explanation had more holes in it than a hookers tights! The onfield ref repeated in the audio at least 5 times ‘ played the ball’, VAR can clearly see that the defender didn’t play the ball and so the ref has made a clear and obvious error. Webbs response was basically, we don’t just rely on what the refs say they saw Var also review the footage to see if an error was made? Emmm hello the ref has literally stated he made an error and VAR looked at the incident and could clearly see the defender didn’t play the ball I mean could there be a more clear cut case of ‘clear and obvious error’? And STILL Webb uses wishy washy relies like we would have liked to see an intervention and maybe the outcome would have been different…I mean honestly incompetence aside does the PGMOL not have a PR team or at least one idiot that might point out the glaringly obvious.

6.) 01 May 2024 02:57:16
we all know the clear and obvious error thing is just stupid. they need to change that. as long as that is the standard then we will always have this issue.

and agreed, these TV spots for Webb hosted by Owen are a waste of time. If they want proper scrutiny, it should be him on Soccer Saturday or whatever that review show with stephen warnock is. The ex-refs they ahve there get the tough questions, but they really need to be aimed at Webb.

7.) 01 May 2024 07:42:26
The only problem with having VAR run by AI is that eventually Howard Webb will be replaced by a T-2000 and I think we all know what happens after that.

8.) 01 May 2024 10:19:57
I get the premise behind the clear and obvious rule. They want the ref on the pitch to ref the game and for VAR to intervene as little as possible and only when the ref has made a glaring error.

In theory that’s a good idea but it doesn’t take into account the psychology of the on field ref.

Because VAR is there the refs don’t make big decisions because they think VAR will help them out if they’re wrong. Then VAR tie themselves in knots trying not to go against the on field ref’s non decision which he only gave because he thought they’d get involved.

So you end up with an absolute sh@tshow where nobody wants to give decisions as they are both passing the buck to each other.

It won’t happen anytime soon but we need independent, specialist VAR operatives who are nothing to do with the PGMOL and are not afraid to tell a referee he cocked up. They should basically audit the ref’s decisions in real time and pull them up if they call something wrong. The ref should have no relationship with the VAR so there’s no bias in someone bailing out their mate. Until then we will keep getting what we are getting.

9.) 01 May 2024 11:22:35
Seriously, who pays attention to this fraudster and his wretched accomplice at this point?



27 Apr 2024 23:13:44
Hi all, a lot being publicised about a certain Bruno guimaraes having a £100m release clause in his contract, what would people think of spending some of that Salah money on sorting our midfield? Absolute class player and would play that double pivot position brilliantly! Does beg the question why we were bidding over £100m for Caicedo when Bruno is available at that price! Wouldn’t mind stealing Isaak from them either the guy is absolutely clinical and calmness personified in front of goal.


1.) 28 Apr 2024 01:41:36
Would take both in a heart beat, Twitter seems to think Edwards wants isak but realistically I can't see us getting either unless Newcastle needs to sell for ffp.

Pretty sure they won't need to though, oil money talks.

{Ed001's Note - why is Edwards involved? Recruitment is not his job is it?}

2.) 28 Apr 2024 01:53:22
Some of that Salah money? How much are we getting?
Seriously though, I don't know if Salah will be sold or not but I do rate Guimaraes highly. It's just a feeling but I don't think he'd fancy us. I can see him going to City or a big club on the continent but I'm not sure who could afford him there.
I would take him, definitely.

3.) 28 Apr 2024 02:35:24
Bruno didn’t move last summer.

4.) 28 Apr 2024 10:08:50
Just the usual drivel on twitter ed.

5.) 28 Apr 2024 10:27:47
Yeah the idea that Edwards ‘isn’t happy’ with signings we’ve made and is going to chuck Nunez out for Isak, despite that not being his remit, is very funny to me.

6.) 28 Apr 2024 14:27:17
I seem to remeher reading that Newcastle might well have to sell one of their bigger players this season.

7.) 28 Apr 2024 15:15:47
Apparently that clause expires this summer or next, but either way, Newcastle would want a hefty fee.
I think the big fee for Salah has failed, we'd be lucky if we get £70m. I still think we should have sold last year personally.
Amorin, pretty sure Newcastle do need to balance the books, they can't do what city did those years ago and just splash the cash anymore, needs to be a gradual thing. unless you get some convenient sponsorship deals that are suspiciously greater in value than any other, more successful club!

8.) 28 Apr 2024 22:19:51
What Salah money are we talking about?



29 Mar 2024 23:07:31
With all this talk over the next Liverpool manager is anyone else baffled that United may be looking for a manager at the same time and opting for Southgate? I often criticise the owners for not spending in the transfer market etc but in spite of that I trust the owners and the people they have in place to make smart decisions making and will back whoever they put in place….


1.) 30 Mar 2024 03:08:49
Agreed 100%. I trust the owners and the process.

2.) 30 Mar 2024 08:26:44
Southgate is not cut out to be a club manager. I really hope Man Utd go for him.

As for our owners - let’s see. They’re in a tough position, I don’t envy them.

3.) 30 Mar 2024 09:06:11
Oh please, let Utd get The Wais Coat. The jokes will literally write themselves.

4.) 30 Mar 2024 13:09:15
All for Gareth Southgate in at United if they cannot hold onto ETH.




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09 Jul 2024 17:33:32
Joao Neves doesn’t improve our starting 11…. WOW, the lad is going to be fire and would be an amazing signing for your however I think he is actually out of our reach in terms of cost and reckon he will end up at City.




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19 Jun 2024 21:05:42
I’m sure Barcelona would like to include Raphina into any negotiations for Diaz but in reality it is never going to happen, his age profile, fee and also salary are outside of FSGs model for purchases, let’s be realistic Liverpool will go into negotiations with our own best interests in mind and that is cash sale, if Barcelona can’t meet the asking price we set then Diaz stays! We have been here before with players and Diaz has 3 years left on his contract so all the negotiation leverage is on our side… in my opinion we do sell Diaz to Barcelona but cash sale.




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29 Apr 2024 23:45:41
If Bruno is available we should definitely be in that conversation even at the quotes £100m, excellent player and an upgrade on any of our midfield, that signing would be transformative and akin to Arsenal signing Rice. Unfortunately I think priority may be elsewhere with our backline needing investment and worse still if Salah does leave and needs to be replaced!




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25 Apr 2024 15:08:52
Surprised not to see Bowen on potential Salah replacement? Perhaps cost would be prohibitive but surely a better option than Sane who is of a similar age before people jump in and say Bowen is too old!




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01 Sep 2023 17:29:48
Gravenberch deal will be off as transfer was contingent on Bayern getting Palhinha in. Could Liverpool turn to Fulham as an alternative.





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02 Jul 2024 20:17:01
Hasn’t Gakpo not scored 4 goals so far this Euro campaign and played against the same calibre of players as the likes of Saka, Palmer, Foden and they’re all part of the England golden generation? I think credit should be given where it is due, I have watched all his matches and he has been their star player by far playing in his favoured position. not saying that he is curing world hunger or whatever that reference was supposed to mean but the lad is doing well and I don’t think we should be knocking our own when they are clearly doing well.




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24 Jun 2024 01:04:58
For me TAA is a RB, he was a RB when we won every major honour and had a rediculous amount of assists from that position! Trent has obvious defensive weaknesses but with the right set up ( as we did when we won the league) you compensate what he brings offensively for what he lacks defensively… I’m not a fan of the inverted RB position or at least I wasn’t under Klopp because I don’t think we were set up very welll defensively but maybe in a 4-2-3-1 formation we may offer Trent more protection in that inverted role.

For me Trent is a great talent, not without weaknesses but a player you keep and appreciate, he has been exposed both at club level under Klopp and on the international stage and been made a scapegoat many times. I’m not trying to say Trent couldn’t defend better or apply himself more but at times over the last season or two we have given him no protection and asked him to almost cover the entirety of the right side of the pitch.




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23 Jun 2024 18:46:57
Let’s all hope that Slot has been watching the Euros and doesn’t try pull a Southgate and play Trent in our midfield. Trent is not a midfielder and never will be because he just doesn’t have the skill set, game management skills. Trent is a fantastic RB with skills that not many RBs posses so I can never understand why people want to push him into midfield?




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20 Jun 2024 21:44:40
For all those courting the idea of Raphina swapping with Diaz can we just take a step back and look at the facts, Barcelona are the ones who are seeking to include him in a swap deal (allegedly) from this we can assume that they see Diaz as an upgrade! Why would we want their cast off? Also just to note Raphina is on 4 times Diaz’s current salary and would likely want similar if not improved terms….




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22 May 2024 21:52:02
Gasperini provided a tactical masterclass against ourselves and Leverkusen, fair play they are a great watch and well deserved winning e competition.




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