19 Aug 2025 06:59:07
Tarkowski showing he has more goal keeping talent than Picoford ????
On a more serious note, someone please explain why the handball wasn't given in our game yet Tarkowski gets penalized for his handball?
According to the law, both of these decisions were incorrect, but hey, time to grab the popcorn and watch PGMOL dig themselves out of this one ?.
19 Aug 2025 07:09:46
How was last nights decision incorrect? The player leans into the ball and stops the ball with his arm, 100% penalty. If he had stood still and the ball hit is arm, then no problem. Bloody awful game, lacking any sort of quality.
19 Aug 2025 07:35:00
The red in me loved that this was given as a penalty.
However if this was given against us, then I would be fuming.
19 Aug 2025 07:44:42
Shouldn't he have been carded for an intentional handball?
SENDING-OFF OFFENCES
A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a deliberate handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
You could argue the keeper would have saved it but as it was heading towards goal it has the opportunity to go in?
Personally I think it was harsh as his knee comes up, body goes down whilst the arm gets tucked behind.
19 Aug 2025 07:48:20
I still can't believe that was given.
19 Aug 2025 07:59:54
Are you serious.
He knew exactly what he was doing - using his arm to block the ball that’s as simple as that. I do not understand how that is even debatable and the reaction of the player and Moyes in interview was laughable!
Regarding the one against us, it’s simple. The ref never saw it and he can only rely on VAR to determine if it stopped a goal scoring opportunity he cannot rely on VAR to determine if it was a deliberate hand ball unfortunately.
So as soon as they determined it was not denying a goal scoring opportunity (I believe that Ekitike had already run over the ball and the hand never changed the trajectory that much) that’s it. They can’t say but he did deliberately handball it!
19 Aug 2025 08:03:32
Btw before someone comes back at me for our one I am not defending it nor saying the VAR rule is correct just pointing out why it happened. It was handball and deliberate but I don’t think they can’t say decide that for VAR unless it has influence on goal opportunity.
In the old world if the ref never saw it he also don’t give it.
19 Aug 2025 08:04:19
I just saw that incident and it was ridiculous how that was given as a penalty. His whole arm was tucked behind his body. It's not like it was outstretched or anything like that.
{Ed078's Note - exactly. He's allowed to move toward the ball, with his arm in a "natural position". I don't know how this is even debatable.
19 Aug 2025 09:11:09
If that is the rule that I can deliberately use my arm by leaning in and as an extension of my body to deflect the ball, as long as it is by my side it is not handball then the world of football rules have gone bloody mad!
I might be wrong and it is the rule? But why then do the majority of players (indeed his teammates did) put their arms behind their backs? Should instead tell them this ludicrous rule (again, if it is indeed a rule) .
“Hey guys just use your arm to make your body bigger! ”
Nonsense! He knew precisely what he was doing and he got his comeuppance.
Regardless Leeds deserved the victory so maybe we should talk more about the respective play of the 2 teams?!
{Ed078's Note - everton deserved to lose. His arm was by his side, not in an unnatural position. His arm is a part of his body when kept in a natural position.
19 Aug 2025 09:20:26
@Dracred his whole Arne was not tucked “behind” his body it was by the side thereby extending his body (width) and he leaned towards the ball. I can’t deliberately “pat” it but I can deliberately lean to use my arm. Madness sheer madness. Well it’s not madness because the authorities saw through it and made the right decision for once!
19 Aug 2025 09:49:00
@78, that made me laugh, ‘ Tarkowski’s unnatural arm “ sounds like a great title for a book.
19 Aug 2025 10:00:26
Do you know how silly that sounds? That I can use my arm deliberately to deflect the ball if it’s in a natural position.
I will be honest it’s so difficult to interpret rules nowadays so I might be wrong in my interpretation but that interpretation IMO is the fair one and, again, the game authority saw it that way.
19 Aug 2025 10:56:17
His arm was in a natural position but he leant into the ball's trajectory. Leaning towards the ball therefore is the same as sticking your arm out to block it.
As someone else above pointed out, had the ball hit his arm without him leaning in, the call would have been harsh.
19 Aug 2025 10:49:30
You guys are a lot tougher than I am cos clearly I didn't have the stomach to get thru that absolute dross served up last night by Moyes' crew with only Leeds trying to play football. 50 mins in, I was done and went to bed.
Glad Tarkowski finally got caught with his hand in the cookie jar cos he has ridden his lucjk for years now doing a madness to oppo. players and getting off scot-free cos "Oh you know, that's not who he is" or my fav, "He is an honest player". Yeah, my foot.
19 Aug 2025 12:01:21
My gosh, do you people even know how the body works? His arm was behind his body. Try putting your arm behind your body and naturally, the upper part will stick out. It's physically impossible to put your entire arm behind and leave nothing exposed from the front unless you detach your shoulder. Hence, his arm was in a natural position when tucked behind his back.
He tried to block the ball with his body and it struck the upper part of his arm instead. The part that will naturally stick out when an arm is tucked behind his back. Notice that he also pulled his arm away from the ball and into his body as much as he could. It's not a penalty.
19 Aug 2025 13:18:14
Dracred you are confusing yourself. The whole rule about natural position/ unnatural position is irrelevant in this case.
He intentionally leaned his arm into the ball to block it. Where his arm is in relation to his body doesn’t matter. You can’t block every shot and he wasn’t in a position to block it but he used the width of his arm because he couldn’t reach it with his body. It’s a handball.
If he’d been standing there with his arms by his side and it was smashed at him from short distance and hit his arm then the natural position rule comes into effect.
In this case he actually leaned his arm into the ball intentionally because he couldn’t block the ball with his body. I really can’t understand how anyone could say that’s not a handball.
Otherwise I could run with a bouncing ball and nudge it with my arm as long as my arm is tucked into my body. You are getting mixed up with the rules mate.
This one is intentional handball, nothing to do with the position of his arm.
19 Aug 2025 14:00:41
@dracred it was not! His teammates all had their arms behind he had his at the side all the way down to his hand. Look at the footage again look at the best “still” photo they showed from behind where 2 or 3 other Everton defenders were gripping their hands together behind their backs and he was literally keeping his entire arm by his side as he leaned and the ball hit it - an intentional movement of his whole body led by his arm to block the ball!
19 Aug 2025 08:12:03
Where is Ed025 his professional input is required. Personally I would have given the penalty and sent Tarkowski off for his awful Tom Hardy impersonation. Then had Moyes for descending into madness and actually agreeing to manage such rabble.
Seriously I think ours was a more definite case of a pen as he scoops the ball away with his hand? he may only make contact with fingertips but it's not ball to hand. Tarkowski seems to move/ lean more after the ball is deflected. The ref didn't give it and relief on the assistant! It's madness seeing we have VAR
Comparing our right and left back to hinge and bracket ED025 your entire squad looked like it was on day release from the crayon club haha I'm sure I could hear you screaming.
{Ed025's Note - he was on the half way line when he handled it against you ffs SM how can that be a pen?, going back to our game we were an absolute disgrace mate and im making no excuses for them..
19 Aug 2025 10:07:51
The problem here I think is new rules v old rules. By the old rules (ball to hand v hand to ball) I think it is handball. He deliberately blocks the ball with his arm by leaning into the path of the ball. It doesn't accidentally hit his arm whilst he is trying to block it with his chest. Now however, if what is being said on here is true, the rule suggests that you can deliberately block the ball with your arm as long as it is a 'natural' position. If this is the case I'm with @Metro and think that is insane!
Surely the logical solution is a combination:
Ball to hand + natural position = no handball
Ball to hand + unnatural position = handball
Hand to ball + natural position = handball
Hand to ball + unnatural position = handball.
19 Aug 2025 10:17:38
You’re getting confused Ed with the whole ‘arm in a natural position’ ‘arm by his side’ thing.
The fact is he leaned his arm into the ball. It was 100% intentional handball. It doesn’t matter where his arm is, by leaning into the ball with his arm like that he’s made his body wider and intentionally blocked the ball with his arm.
You can’t block every shot and he doesn’t have the right to. He should’ve let it go past him because it’s a ball he couldn’t reach naturally without using his arm, which is 100% a handball.
The ball travelled quite a distance too it’s not like it was smashed at him.
I can’t believe how many people are saying that wasn’t a penalty. Even if you’ve got your arms behind your back if you intentionally lean your body to stop the ball with your elbow it’s still a handball.
You are all tying yourselves in knots because you can’t differentiate between a ball being smashed at someone’s arm and someone intentionally leaning his arm to stop the ball. Where his arm is in relation to his body is totally irrelevant if the action is intentional.
The arm away from the body thing is to stop people making themselves bigger when shots are smashed at them. It’s got nothing to do with someone deliberately leaning the arm into the ball to stop a shot.
19 Aug 2025 22:26:51
You are correct Ed025. I'm getting it all confused and should rectify that ours should have been given as a handball and treated as denying a goal scoring opportunity. I actually fell asleep during the game and woke from us being 2 nil up to watching them score and going 2-2.
{Ed025's Note - fell asleep watching Liverpool SM?....you want to try watching Everton mate it would put you in a coma..
20 Aug 2025 10:58:44
It is a lottery three incidence in a week palace game macca's was hand ball penalty all day long play on. Bournemouth
hand ball goal scoring opertunity sending off play on.
Everton penalty given for dubious hand ball all three incidents and diffrent out comes it shows who ever is on var have a diffrent opinion on hand ball incidents . YNWA.