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15 May 2024 09:26:41
Just to let you guys know Alison rumoured to be of interest to an Arab team just sold his house this is why i think he does not want to be here but you guys will not let anyone have an opinion but thanks for your comments I take them on board.

iwillbered

1.) 15 May 2024 09:42:09
He's far too good for the Arab league.


2.) 15 May 2024 09:51:51
He's sold his house because he's just had a brand new one built round the corner.


 

 

 

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22 Jun 2024 09:52:41
The last two games, Trent has looked like a duck out of water to be honest and Southgate knows it. If I was Trent, i wouldn't play for England until a real manager comes in. Southgate cost England the euros last time and i wouldn't be surprised if he costs us again.

Ps, when you get Ten Hag giving you stick, then it's time to move on.

iwillbered

1.) 22 Jun 2024 10:23:52
Can you imagine the media backlash if TAA did that? ?.


2.) 22 Jun 2024 11:09:42
Rigsby, no need to imagine this. See ben White.


3.) 22 Jun 2024 13:51:52
I haven't seen much of a media backlash to Ben White.
Maybe it's been covered up. You know, like a Whitewash.


4.) 22 Jun 2024 15:56:27
Nice one @Rigsby that made me laugh out loud - banter isn’t quite dead yet ???.


5.) 22 Jun 2024 20:30:10
Nice one, Rigsby. I see what you did there, lol. Seriously tho, there has been backlash esp. at the time with Talkcrap's Simon Jordan lecturing White about his loyalties as if he is the first player in history to ever decline a national call-up. There were others too but I just can't remember their names.


 

 

17 Jun 2024 09:34:46
Bellingham is an outstanding footballer and if it's true about the story of Klopp leaving because he was let down on buying Bellingham, then i can understand that because this young man is the real deal. He had Serbia worried to death. He run them ragged. Loved to of seen him in the red of LFC.

iwillbered

1.) 17 Jun 2024 11:27:24
And you never will see him in a Liverpool shirt either.


2.) 17 Jun 2024 11:30:02
Klopp wouldn’t leave for such a trivial reason.

{Ed002's Note - It is just trolling - ignore it.}


3.) 17 Jun 2024 12:17:23
But Ron, have you considered "FSG bad"?

It should be obvious they intentionally didn't sign Bellignham to drive Klopp out cos they don't want Liverpool to have good players or a good manager.

John Henry's end game is to have Liverpool in League One cos a League One club is cheaper to run.


4.) 17 Jun 2024 12:48:22
Klopp will get his wish of Bellingham touchami and Mbappe when he takes over Real Madrid in a years time.


5.) 17 Jun 2024 13:28:45
I thought jude had a good first half but no more than that.


6.) 17 Jun 2024 13:30:58
I doubt Jude will stay at Madrid for the entirety of his career. I still reckon he may one day play for us in fact I would put money on it. We would be his preferred option if he wanted to have a go in the Prem.


7.) 17 Jun 2024 15:16:11
Really Nicol? Personally I don't see him leaving Madrid until he is ready to retires in the US. Madrid will likely win pretty much every trophy going over the next few years and then some.


8.) 17 Jun 2024 16:32:59
Klopp won’t be real manager next year, alonso will.


9.) 17 Jun 2024 17:06:32
For those that thought Trent could play midfield I hope yesterday opened your eyes. Wayne Rooney predicted this last week and said Trent would be destroyed against any of the bigger teams and it must be a bad day when I am quoting Wayne Rooney.

I hope Mr Slot was watching and dispells any idea of playing Trent in that position.

I do see a problem now with Trent, he does not want to play right back, he sees himself as a midfielder and it is fairly obvious to me that when he is put at right back his lack of effort is shocking.


10.) 17 Jun 2024 17:31:21
@Iwillbered, your troll job needs some serious work. I propose you don't quit your day job, bro.


11.) 17 Jun 2024 17:35:44
Polecat, not sure what you're on about trying to convince us (yourself more than anything) that Trent playing in a double pivot with Rice (good combo) in a CM system concocted by The Waist Coat actually means anything tangible.

Pretty sure Slot is smart enuff to know that int'l football is very diff. from the day to day rough and tumble of club and esp. PL footie so IMO, the man learned nothing. And if this was your way of slating Trent to say he could not play in midfield then, you are wide off the mark. Thanks for playing, tho.

{Ed025's Note - who died and made you the expert on who is a good midfielder or not Oli?, wind your neck in and show the poster some respect ffs..


12.) 17 Jun 2024 18:12:55
Ed25 ? ? ?.


13.) 17 Jun 2024 18:28:40
Ed25, nobody did. Now read my post again and let me knowor show me where I said Rice, Trent or any player for that matter is a good midfielder. Or even a bad one.

{Ed025's Note - you dismissed polecats view out of hand Oli and you were very obtuse about his opinion, i have read it again mate and you come across as though its only your view that matters, im not saying you should agree with him but at least show the guy some respect and if you cant then move past commenting on it..


14.) 17 Jun 2024 18:34:04
Olired, just a few days ago, you were called out for the disrespectful way that you replied to a poster on the rumours page.
Polecat is entitled to his opinion and I suspect quite a few fans will agree with him. He did not slate Trent, he made an observation about a player, like we all do.
Why write 'Thanks for playing tho' at the end of your post? So condescending and unnecessary.
I have read your posts for a long time now Olired and you are a good contributor to the site, but cut out the one-upmanship as it does you no favours.

{Ed025's Note - spot on Greenflash..


15.) 17 Jun 2024 19:01:50
No problem guys. I have re-read my post and indeed, it was out of order. We all make mistakes and clearly, that was a mistake by me.

My apologies to Polecat.

{Ed025's Note - well done Oli, lets all move on now guys and be a bit more tolerant of other posters views...cheers..


16.) 17 Jun 2024 20:12:38
It’s true that you cannot speak against Trent on this page. I assume it’s mainly down to the fact of him being a local lad. But when he plays average you say he is average. I agree with Polecat and two days back Mr Frode argued to me that Trent will boss our midfield. Midfield is not just about Hollywood passing, if so Jorginho would be the greatest ever.


17.) 17 Jun 2024 20:17:21
All good, Ed25. At the end of the day, we're all guys and gals talking smack on the footie site. No need to get worked up and Im talking about myself here, btw.

{Ed025's Note - all water under the bridge now Oli, time to move on mate..


18.) 17 Jun 2024 20:25:07
Oilred, you have ed25 taking the mick out of you.
As for not giving up my job, have you ever had a job or are you a universal credit kid? By the way i don't have a job i have retired.


19.) 17 Jun 2024 21:38:14
Jaguar, you can speak about Trent on this page. There have been loads of comments criticising his performance last night and his ability to play in midfield. And that's just from one of the Eds ?.
What you won't get is everyone agreeing with each other about everything and it would be very boring if we did.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely Rigsby...this is not the village of the damned mate.. :)


20.) 17 Jun 2024 22:42:37
I'm not offering excuses for TAA because I agree that he was not at his best last night, but maybe he needs a few more games playing that double pivot position? And why is Southgate trying it out right smack in the beginning of a tournamemt and not during friendlies?

Bellingham and Rice where everywhere and TAA seemed to be the least effective of the 3. The battle of midfield changed the moment Gallagher came in. He offered more pressing, more challenges and far more energy. You'd think that it was Gallagher who came from a Klopp trained team, and not TAA.

I agree with what has been said elsewhere about individul performance being linked to desire for results and the will to win. I'm not saying TAA doesn't have it but something is missing. Somebody or something has to light a fire under him to get him up to the next level.

My personal opinion is that this TAA midfielder experiment for the national team is a waste of time. I'd take Walker out, and stick TAA on the RB position and tell him to take the ball upfield and do what he used to do for Salah, with Saka. Ask Saka to cut in whenever TAA has the ball, Kane is always in the middle and Foden loves to cut in from the left also. And with a player like Bellingham bombing in from midfield it can't possibly hurt to have this additional attacking option. And instruct Stones and Rice to cover TAA's runs. Shifting to a back 3 when in possession is not exactly the most outlandish idea.


21.) 18 Jun 2024 04:07:57
I like that idea too ArAy. The only issue is that the width on the left is unutilised, leaving the team very narrow. But that is on Southgate and his refusal to bring another LB other than Shaw.


22.) 18 Jun 2024 07:39:51
ArAy, Gallagher does things that TAA doesn't and Trent can do things that Gallagher can't. It's comes down to what you want in there.
As much as I've backed TAA I can't have him in for Walker at right back. Not a chance. We all know Trent's weakness and I couldn't put them in that back four. I'm not a huge fan of Walker but he's the most experienced defender, has played at the highest level for a long time and has lightning pace.
He has to play.


23.) 17 Jun 2024 22:47:46
True, Ed025.
Different views keep the discussions going and things ticking over. That gives us the excuse to log in and gets us out of doing the boring everyday stuff.

{Ed025's Note - i have retired now Rigsby and cant stand that daytime telly, we all need a bit of discussion to keep the old grey matter working mate, so i see myself as more of a doctor and social therapist than an editor, even though it seems i have missed out on the kings honours list this year.. :)


24.) 18 Jun 2024 01:58:34
Alonso will go to Madrid, Klopp to Bayern, and Trent is neither a RB nor a CM and should be watching from the bench until he learns how to play an actual position. don't you dare question my expertise, ed025 (;

{Ed025's Note - Nostradamus eat your heart out.. :)


25.) 18 Jun 2024 10:03:29
Some decent points @ArAy

The issue is if England wants to play all 4 attackers at the same time (Kane, Saka, Foden, Bellingham) then they need two Declan Rice in the midfield. Unfortunately they have got only one. And if Trent is played at RB, Then one Declan Rice will always be dragged towards the right leaving acres of space through the middle.
We did not had this issue at LFC because we played a 4-3-3 and had two workhorse in Hendo / Wijnaldum alongside Fabinho.


26.) 18 Jun 2024 10:48:28
Interesting posts about Trent. I think one game on cm is too early to write him off, but he needs to improve his touch, ability to play with back to goal and his decision making on when to play the simple pass or try the Hollywood pass. Also, I think he needs to improve his intensity when defending.

I hope England persist with him in that midfield role though, I can also see potential, but I do think having Kane play on the shoulder doesn’t help him. He likes to get the ball up and over the top early, Kane cannot run in behind, he excels at linking others in and scoring goals.

All in all, Trent is a tricky one for Slot. He has so many skills and clearly a huge talent and he is a local lad. It is just a case of where do you play him that is best for him and the team? I honestly don’t know!


 

 

17 Jun 2024 09:06:46
Has anybody read this? Some person giving their explanation on why Rodri was not sent off by Mike Oliver when he caught the Croatian player in area pen given he gets a yellow goal scoring opportunity - no red card?

The explanation was that they don't want to send top players off for tackling in the penalty area.

I have not heard of this before today so if you're a star player you don't get a red, but if you're an average player, you get a red if you tackle in the penalty area and a pen is given.

I am so fed up with the running of football and the changing of the rules to suit it is not the game i was brought up with and loved.

iwillbered

1.) 17 Jun 2024 09:41:16
where did you read or hear the comment they don't want to send top players off? must of missed that. yes he should of been sent off by the law, but if you watch it I'm pretty sure he doesn't touch him its a dive to me which is strange he had a open goal.


2.) 17 Jun 2024 09:57:43
Who wrote it? I can't see that been true, surely not?


3.) 17 Jun 2024 09:48:14
Is it up to the ref to decide whether it's a top player doing the tackling or not?
I can't wait for a case of mistaken identity. The ref blows, gives a penalty, issues a yellow and then changes it to a red when he realises it is a rubbish player ?.


4.) 17 Jun 2024 09:49:12
I honestly didn't think it was a pen.

It looks like there is no contact and he then just kicks the floor and dives to the ground with an open goal.

Then yesterday in the Denmark game Hojland has his ankle stepped on and his boot comes off but nothing given.

For me neither is a pen but one has no contact and the other quite a bit and the non contact one is given.

Can't really make sense of it.


5.) 17 Jun 2024 11:14:56
You are right Kloppers.
That Coeatian player should have score instead he opted dive. It was not penalty to me.


6.) 17 Jun 2024 11:26:50
There are 20’000 reasons why Oliver would never give a decision like that against a City player and you’ll find them in his bank account.


7.) 17 Jun 2024 11:46:55
Sounds like complete nonsense to me. All refs know that millions of eyes are on them during international competitions. And the way social media is nowadays, the refs would never take the risk of getting ripped to shreds in the media.


8.) 17 Jun 2024 11:55:58
'some person'

is this the same person who said klopp left because he had a sooky wooky about missing out on Jude?


9.) 17 Jun 2024 12:44:24
Some of the views made it look like there was no contact but I haven't managed to find another view of it since. There must be one that shows enough to prevent them overturning it.

As for Rodri, I think he should of been sent off, I know there is the double jeapordy rule but that is only if they make an attempt at the ball, and I don't think he does in this scenario. My only explanation for it not being given on review is it wasn't a clear and obvious error and enough doubt on whethere it was a genuine attempt at the ball or not.


10.) 17 Jun 2024 16:41:36
If this is indeed true, Ryan Porteous is sitting in the huff somewhere for being deemed so far from a "star" player that he got sent off for conceding a penalty against Germany!


11.) 17 Jun 2024 18:11:14
There was contact. It was minor and he dived after. I hate that it’s considered a foul. I hate that the player dived. But there was definite contact. Should have been a red. Saying that- can someone explain why the goal was ruled out. Surely if the player ran into the box it is a penalty to be retaken. Or am I mistaken?


12.) 17 Jun 2024 18:32:43
aoe, it shouldn't have been retaken because Croatia got the advantage by encroaching.


13.) 17 Jun 2024 19:02:59
Cool. So it would have been a free kick out if the goal had gone straight in? I always thought if that occurred it was a retaken penalty.


14.) 17 Jun 2024 19:13:48
Did a little more reading online including a rather confusing read through the fa rules on encroachment which seemed to possibly not entirely not suggest a retake- kind of. But no one else seems to have an issue with it l-so my money is on me being wrong. rigsby- spot on mate.


15.) 17 Jun 2024 19:16:15
Exactly, @aoe. For me, it was a pen regardless of whether the player dived or made a right meal of it. Why? Rodri blatantly kick at him and made blatant contact. The movement of Rodri going for the player's leg is proves intent hence, what makes it a pen, not the level of contact, IMO.

And one more thing. I did not see Rodri protest vehemently at all I think and neither do his team mates. Now why would they not protest? Cos they know Rodri is guilty as charged. It's that simple, IMO.

Now as to whether Rodri should have been sent off, I thought he should have been sent off BUT suddenly, I don't know anymore cos of this "double jeopardy" thingy where a sending off cannot be given for denying a goalscoring opportunity in the box. Or was it vice versa.


16.) 17 Jun 2024 20:06:05
The IFAB football's lawmakers are the ones who have relaxed the rules on denying a goal. Obvious scoring opportunity is now deemed as a yellow card.


 

 

12 Jun 2024 08:15:08
I think Jones is a liability because he gets injured so easily and misses a lot of the season. I would move him on asap.

if he is not passing sidewards or backwards, he is trying to curl the ball into the top corner, which very rarely results in a goal.

iwillbered

1.) 12 Jun 2024 08:47:06
By your own logic, Jota is a liability as well. So based on your own logic, should Jota go as well?


2.) 12 Jun 2024 09:19:29
I think that’s harsh about his ability.
He needs to stay fit and then I think he’d be a regular.
He’s got a good chance with Slot, I think he’ll get the best out of him.


3.) 12 Jun 2024 09:22:49
I don't think you can accuse Jota of passing sideways and backwards too much. I would say he needs to do it more and not trying to do too much on his own.


4.) 12 Jun 2024 09:28:23
He's a class player. He just can't get a clean run of matches. The sideways and backwards passing does get frustrating, I agree, but it's more to do with match fitness than anything else. Long layoffs make it hard to read the game as well. It's not only stamina that suffers. When he gets a run of matches his passing improves. I'd love to keep him, but it's 50-50 at this stage.


5.) 12 Jun 2024 09:39:57
I think Ed001’s summary of Curtis Jones is fair, technically he’s he is very good on the ball, very good first touch, can beat a player for skill, but his decision making isn’t great, he lacks physicality (which for a guy his height seems absurd), is ponderous in possession, isn’t alert to danger and doesn’t read the game very well defensively, and always seems to take an extra touch when it’s not needed, that could be because he’s afraid of taking risks or it could be he simply doesn’t read the game very well. At this moment he is not a starter for me. He has a lot of work to do to get there.


6.) 12 Jun 2024 10:19:50
The difference is Jota influence games when on the pitch by scoring goals @Oli Red. Jones doesn’t. There are far better players in the squad currently than Jones to play in midfield. We don’t rely on him. I would sell him and sign a top class DM.


7.) 12 Jun 2024 15:56:51
In my opinion jones is probably the closest player we have to a wieffer type in slot’s system, he has the technical ability, the work rate and the ability to press and recycle the ball, the question is whether he can stay fit and reach form to play that role consistently, some of his injuries last year were very unlucky to be fair (getting poked in the eye) ; here’s hoping he can stay relatively healthy this year.

{Ed025's Note - closest player to wafer seems about right to me PB.. ?


8.) 12 Jun 2024 16:03:52
He’s a wafer in the sense of having pure quality sandwiched in between crisp fundamentals, ed25….

{Ed025's Note - i thought very easily broken and does not really satisfy PB.. :)


9.) 12 Jun 2024 16:49:14
Rigsby, He said Curtis was injured too often and that he is as a result, a liability at first so my post was directed at that point and clearly he did not respond meaning, that part of the comment is full of it, IMO.

As for the passing sideways stuff, that is what he is asked to do as he fits the possession style we were playing as one of Jones' strengths is his ability to keep possession of the ball under pressure. He also has the ability to get forward and score goals.

So for the poster to post such waffle and say all Jones tries to do is to bend balls into the top corner is also patently false cos he is confusing Jones with Salah on this front. The post is a shambles from top to bottom, IMO.


10.) 12 Jun 2024 17:17:26
Iwillbered you don't half talk a lot of wham ?.

Tactics and injuries are what is stopping Jones from showing the player he is. Although we have seen it in bits.

Other players (e. g Mac10) played DM last season and was woeful. Yet posters on here and supporters, said it was tactics, wrong position. Then low and behold he is played in a more natural position and looks a word beater. Jones has played a handful of games in his natural position (attacking mid or left wing) . Remember his wonder goal against Everton years ago? He was playing in a more natural position for him, albeit for 15 mins.

Hes a good squad player who can still improve, let's hope his injuries stop happening under Slots training methods and tactics.


11.) 13 Jun 2024 08:54:49
Oli, how do you know what Jones is told to do? What evidence is there for him being told to pass the ball sideways and backwards?
But you're right, Jones has the ability to score goals. He just doesn't do it very often. Unlike Salah.


 

 

11 Jun 2024 21:56:57
The team last season suffered a lot of injuries and if they had been available, i believe we would have won the League.

We have a team as good as any team in the premier league we are losing a couple of players soon but they were always injured and missed long periods so the team may need three or four players, but there are four new players who have had one season with us.

I would also say if you do not have expectations or your new manager has no expectations, then we may as well invite Roy Hodgson back to run the club. I am reading people happy with a third or fourth placed finish this next season, so that is your expectations for Liverpool. so if we don't get third or fourth and finish below that, you would accept that then because we have a new manager?

I don't think that way, i expect this manager to go for the premier league from day one after all he has won a league and it may be in a different league, but he has the experience of winning it.

iwillbered

1.) 11 Jun 2024 22:26:12
We were the third best team in the league last season and we finished third. Unlike Arsenal and City almost every game we played was in the balance going into the last 10 minutes. We didn't put teams away when we were on top and too often we conceded the first goal.

I hope to see a title challenge next season but I expect us to finish top four. Expecting a new manager in a new league to get the 90+ points it would take to win the league is unrealistic and is setting him up to fail and yourself up for disappointment.


2.) 11 Jun 2024 22:49:07
What is Slots assistant called then? I need to know who I’m going to Blame when we’re playing total crip now that Pep Lijnders is gone.


3.) 11 Jun 2024 23:50:28
We were third best last year and I can’t see that we’ll fare much better this coming season if the rumours are true of a very quiet transfer window. Third or fourth at best for us. City will have the title wrapped up by April unless by some miracle the FA gets its act together and their charge’s stick which would derail their season.


4.) 12 Jun 2024 00:28:02
Nah, we can carry on blaming Lijnders for a couple of seasons - his legacy (and his book is still being read in secret by some of the squad trying to figure out what an introverted full back is …) .

I think, on our day, we had as good a starting eleven as anybody. Jurgen reckoned we played our best game against City in his time here and we had them on the run. I don’t think we had the best squad in the league and I think injuries (to players in form, like Jones and Jota) broke our rhythms and we were never really sure what our starting eleven was. Plus Jurgen’s announcement had a toll on confidence and morale. Confidence also took a tonking losing the cup game to United - bitter blow to take and we never really recovered from that.

All that said, we do have the makings of a very good squad which is nowhere near the finished article. I think we are - assuming Slot knows what he’s about, which a lot of observers (some of them even informed) seem to think he is - capable of kicking on and doing well. A couple of starter quality signings for the holding role in midfield and a left sided defender, a closed window with the TAA and Mo dramas sorted out one way or another @nd we should kick on and, don’t forget we have Wednesday nights to look forward to this season.

{Ed001's Note - and yet while we had injuries was our best period. So not sure how they broke our rhythm? What broke our rhythm was the first choice players returning and the intensity dropping along with them as they followed instructions to play with more 'control'. So yes, we can carry on blaming Lijnders for his tactical instructions were a massive part of the problem.}


5.) 12 Jun 2024 02:11:07
I think we are probably agreeing - the rhythm that I was talking about was liar in the latter part of the season and ironically it was 2hen the ‘big’ names were the ones returning. I hadn’t considered the ‘Pep factor’ and attributed most of the decline to a lack of confidence based on Jurgen’s decision to go. I suspect there were elements of both . Either way, the end result was disappointing after so much (probably unexpected) promise for most of the season.

{Ed001's Note - I do agree Klopp's decision to go will have affected them, but only once it started to fall apart. Before then it would have been a reason to keep going. Once it went away from them, it becomes a burden to bear.}


6.) 12 Jun 2024 07:41:24
Jurgen was the man in charge, not Ljinders. The buck stops with Klopp. Pep can be blamed for the tactics but it was Klopps decision to run with them.


7.) 12 Jun 2024 08:06:33
Remember the name Hulshoff! People will be slagging him off in a few months, just like folk are still blaming Ljinders. For gawd sake.


8.) 12 Jun 2024 08:32:33
Simple fact is, we were not good enough. We also had a pretty poor record against the top 6 sides, you can't win the league unless you beat your rivals.


9.) 12 Jun 2024 08:24:40
I'd imagine the target would be to try and win the league and CL as we aren't really the club or have the players who just turn up for participation.

Aiming to win the league is obviously very different to actually winning it though.

During Klopps tenure we never ever set up or played for a draw which I'd love see continue moving forward. If you're trying to win every game then we will be in amongst the mix come the end of the season.

Trouble is we have City and Arsenal who will also be going out trying to win it and are top class teams with financial muscle.

Either way i'm looking forward to next season.


10.) 12 Jun 2024 08:51:30
I think realistically top 4 finish and a cup would be a fair expectation for most LFC fans. The team will need to adapt to a new formation, tactics and relationship with the coaching staff and that will take time. Arne Slot will need time.

Plus a few players leaving and a few new additions arriving so all that will take at least a few months, however I do feel the team will will be comfortable with their playing identity towards the end of the season and the following season is when we can confidently challenge for the title.

Let's remember when new managers' came in and their first end of season finishes:

Gerard Houllier - 7th
Rafa Benitez - 5th
Roy Hodgson/ Kenny Dalglish - 6th
Brendan Rodgers - 7th
Jurgen Klopp - 8th

The main advantage we have is that the team is more or less settled and no massive re-build needs to be done which the above managers had to do.


11.) 12 Jun 2024 08:55:00
Injuries are part of the game and we can't blame them for us not winning the League. I think we were third best last season and as Thunderbird said, we didn't seem to be as dominant as City and Arsenal were throughout the season.
Also, we'll never know what would have happened had Salah, TAA, Robertson etc not returned from injury but I doubt it would have made the difference between finishing third and finishing third because we were the third best side.
And I think the two sides that finished above us played with more control than we did.


12.) 12 Jun 2024 09:16:57
LiverpoolFC8:

His name is Spike, Spike Hasselhoff.


13.) 12 Jun 2024 09:19:52
Ed001 is absolutely spot on, our intensity dropped when the first team players came back

Maybe some should get to a game, then you’ll see exactly what ed001 is saying regarding the slow, controlled Laborious build up with no width and a congested midfield. Only when you watch the team live can you see the true picture of the game.

I was at Spurs away for Klopp’s first game and it’s like chalk and cheese what we were watching for the last few seasons.

Drogie.


14.) 12 Jun 2024 09:26:10
Sorry, I meant to say we'll never know if the first team players returning would have been the difference between finishing third and finishing first.


15.) 12 Jun 2024 09:32:54
Last season is gone, let’s look forward not backwards.


16.) 12 Jun 2024 09:50:37
We rode our luck in several games prior to our capitulation. Forest away, Brighton at home, to name just a couple. We rarely won comfortably all season and, like Drogie, I was fortunate enough to be at most of the home games. I don't buy that intensity dropped when first teasers came back, which led to our downfall, but we're all entitled to our opinion.


17.) 12 Jun 2024 10:14:40
Problem is the opposition know Darwins strength is giving him space so that's not going to change anytime soon.

If he improves the timing of his runs, composure whilst finishing then he would be unplayable.


18.) 12 Jun 2024 12:18:30
Pretty sure most fans are able to notice the slow laborious build-up from the comfort of their armchair too in fairness.


19.) 12 Jun 2024 13:25:37
Don't we have to play slow- or patient- build up football when the opposition plays deep and defends?
For me, a bad run was always going to happen and it happened when some of the first team players came back.
I don't agree that Elliott playing instead of Salah or Gomez instead of TAA or Robertson helps us win or go closer to winning the League.


20.) 12 Jun 2024 16:10:31
The thing that confused me a bit with Liverpool last year was we seemed to be doing the sort of press baiting very deep build up that the likes of Brighton like to do, but when we were actually pressed in our own half we didn’t seem to be able to handle playing through it the way Brighton are drilled to do, against Atalanta we simply crumbled after conceding and everybody looked so nervous on the ball (though to be fair we got a few excellent chances early on in the first half because of good movement from several players dummying their markers and wriggling loose to break through the lines, Elliott especially was very good in the opening exchanges doing this at the midway line), every time a team actually pressures us we looked distraught, so I don’t know what the team was actually trained to do?

Even though slot himself loves to build up from very deep and bait the press and even though he also likes to invert one full back, his team is actually trained to effectively move very fast up the field when the opposition actually takes the bait, so I expect that our build up will actually look like it makes sense next year, rather than being a sort of mishmash of de zerbi ball and klopp’s more direct full backs staying wide and spraying the ball quickly out wide style.


21.) 12 Jun 2024 16:24:28
I’d also like to add that the way Trent was used as an inverted fullback wasn’t necessarily the biggest problem, there appear to me to be a whole bunch of ways in which a fullback inverts, in slot’s system geertruida moves into midfield to simply create an overload in midfield as well as make up the numbers in the center so they don’t get played through the middle when they lose the ball, rather than take time on the ball to play the quarterback launching the perfect ball upfield like Trent

I think Trent playing that role (as well as not having a very well designed way to fall back into a decent defensive shape if we lost the ball in transition), with him tasked with picking out the perfect ball into the forwards, just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense sometimes, he gets slated for losing the ball when it doesn’t come off and then gets slated again for not getting back into position, I get that the team wants to make best use of the best progressive passer probably in world football, but surely there is another way and surely there are other ways this team can create? If Trent does play the geertruida role in slot’s system, he won’t be playing as a quarterback but will be asked to move up in passing triangles, so it looks like slot will have to change the way his system works to accommodate his glorious long passing or Trent will have to move upfield finally

Was wondering about your thoughts regarding this subject, ed001.

{Ed001's Note - I find myself agreeing with you completely, but I hope Slot will look at the squad and see that Bradley is such a good wing-back that it makes more sense to allow him to drive on from wide areas and play Trent as a normal midfielder. You are right that an inverted full-back can be made to work, particularly by understanding how to revert, which Lijnders never seemed to understand. Nor how to control the play for that matter, which he seemed to think simply came down to having more bodies in a particular area, with no understanding or appreciation for space and movement etc.

I can see how it can work, but it doesn't make the best use of either Trent or Bradley. Both offer far more threat, when playing at full-back, by getting down the flank. Geertruida, that he used in Feyenoord, was a more defensive player who was capable at centre-back. Neither Trent nor Bradley are adept there and it would be shoehorning players into a system, rather than adapting the system to make the most of the abilities of the players that he has at his disposal.}


22.) 12 Jun 2024 16:53:35
Completely in agreement there, Ed, neither Conor nor Trent can or should play the Geertruida role the way that slot has designed it, but here’s hoping slot has the sense to adapt his system to use the qualities of both of them in the starting eleven…

I hate to always slate ljinders, it makes him out to be a scapegoat, but I do think it’s ridiculous that we were once the deadliest and fastest team in world football in transition, and that went out the window once our tactics basically became let the other team assume their shape once we get the ball, and have Trent try to hit a hallelujah pass with laser precision.

{Ed001's Note - it is not just slating Lijnders, as Klopp was the one who chose to let him take charge of tactics. That is why it is so difficult to criticise, as Klopp brought so much joy. But the system didn't work and was badly organised. You can see why Lijnders didn't succeed as a head coach at first, he has a lot to learn. I just hope his ego does not stop him from realising that and from making the adjustments to his system that are so desperately needed. He is still young in coaching terms, he has lots of time to alter and adapt his approach.}


23.) 12 Jun 2024 16:57:23
Nobody held Klopp to ransom demanding him to accept the ubbish tactics proposed by Lijnders. He made that choice and that's on him, not Lijnders.

Now there are a lot of things that hurt us down the stretch and as I've said, many of us knew the issues we had from the off and when those don't get fixed and when Klopp's loyalty kicks in relying on senior players too much, that does not help when the team eventually hits the wall.

As @WDW said, we have a really good team on paper BUT they have to play the tactics that suit them which IMO, is the press-high tempo style cos we simply do NOT have the players to play slow, possessive footie and if there is one "good" thing with Klopp going, is that he has take Lijnders and his wretched style with him. It is what it is.


24.) 12 Jun 2024 21:00:41
I think another point to consider is the change in personell and being used to the players your playing with plus some/ most being new to premier league football, Look how many times we went 1-0 down, so we're on the back foot early and trying to get into games with new personell. We didn't do too bad tbf but if you remember we did also go 1-0 down fairly often with our previous personell. Previously I was always confident we'd turn it around, I used to say to my fellow watching mates (whether LFC fans or not) "not to worry, we are comeback kings"! More often than not we did with the likes of Mane, Firmino, Salah, Hemdo, Wijnaldum, Milner, Van Dijk Matip, Robbo Becker et all. Last year going 1-0 down, Like I said we did fairly well but I was never as confident of turning i around as before but i think that could be largely due to new players playing together and of which some being new o prem league football. Remeber the time we used to fly out of the blocks, sometimes we would go 1 down but didn't seem to really matter. Conseding the first goal this year so often hindered overall end of season acheivments IMO, I'd llike to see that resolved next season now that my fingers nails have grown back!


25.) 13 Jun 2024 08:59:27
Good point about the personnel, fezza.
This team's defence, midfield and frontline are all weaker than the ones that won the League and CL.


 

 

 

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