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01 Sep 2021 15:18:48
Is the current squad better than the one that won the Champs League and the Prem? Only major change is no Gini. I think this squad is at least as good as, if not better IMO. More experienced with some quality fresh blood in it. We have as good a chance as anyone to win the league again.
We now have Jota/ Thiago/ Elliot and Konate (unproven I know), all good enough to win the league with.
YNWA.

1.) 01 Sep 2021 15:49:46
Dont forget Timmy a top left back. It will keep Robbo fresh and he is a very welcome addition to the squad.

2.) 01 Sep 2021 15:56:02
It is objectively much better but the Ultimate Team babies simply cannot look beyond the big flashing dollar signs and Jim White’s yellow deadline day tie.

Compared to the squad that started our title winning season, players we now have settled in and part of the squad include:

Kelleher
Williams
Konate
Phillips
Tsimikas
Jones
Thiago
Elliott
Jota

That’s 9 new players, all of whom go a long way towards improving and fixing major holes in our squad. You could even throw Minamino in there too but i’m just not sure Klopp will ever really trust him enough to be considered a dependable squad member. With a bit of luck maybe even Gordon will be considered a solid part of that group before long.

If we’d brought them all in this summer at a considerable cost then i bet all the doomers would be chuffed. Alright we’d all have liked an extra forward and midfielder but if the right targets aren’t within our reach right now then it’s better to wait and give the youngsters a go, rather than bring in Traore and Sanches just because their clubs were willing to accept staggered payments. Objectivity and rationality are powerless in the face of social media hysteria.

3.) 01 Sep 2021 16:01:42
It’s about the same. Question is have our rivals improved?

{Ed0666's Note - I’d say chelsea improved.

4.) 01 Sep 2021 16:04:18
In itself, I think the team is as good as it was, if not better. The more relevant question is whether the team can play better than everyone else (on average) and if the others in the league will play poorer than us (on average) . It's saying the obvious, but needed to be said.

5.) 01 Sep 2021 16:05:19
I think Gini’s role is underestimated as he sacrificed his natural attacking game to be a water carrier, he was almost always a 7/ 10 performer and almost always available, that kind of player is hugely important in Klopp’s system. Someone else has to step up now and fill that role.

{Ed0666's Note - we have Jones, Milner, Hendo, Keita to do one mans work surely they are capable?

6.) 01 Sep 2021 16:10:50
I agree that our squad is very strong. What we have going against due to not upgrading our squad is:

1. It may be harder to win now against Chlesea, Utd and City. Chelsea have already denied 2 points to us.

2. The other big 3 are better equipped at picking points against mid and low table teams than they were in 19/ 20.

3. Opponents are more familiar with our weaknesses now.

I still think we have a good chance of finishing 1st. But it would be much harder to do now than it was before.

{Ed0666's Note - mate there’s always the January window to look forward to?

7.) 01 Sep 2021 16:13:01
Sanch and varane definitely improve utd, their problem areas for them for some time now.

{Ed025's Note - but they dont have a DM port, and would have been better with someone like declan rice for me mate..

8.) 01 Sep 2021 16:14:12
OP, I fully agree with you. The squad that won the lot were nowhere near this current one. Jelle her went from academy graduate to first 11 option at GL. We had Milly covering LB now we have the Greek Freak as a starter next to Robbo. We let Gini go BUT replaced him with Jones, Elliott and of course, Thiago who gives us the creativity we needed. Konate and Phillips at CB and let Lovren go. And we added Taki and Jota to the attack. That’s a lot of players that have come in for a club that has stood still after we win the lot. Never knew you could stand still and run at the same time.

9.) 01 Sep 2021 16:15:45
Thats my position. We have enough to get till Jan, then we reassess.
Hopefully FSG buy Klopp something he wants for Christmas.

{Ed0666's Note - I see that as the most viable scenario

10.) 01 Sep 2021 16:20:15
Chelsea have certainly improved. Was relieved they didn't get a centre back.

11.) 01 Sep 2021 16:26:58
Agreed Rome I think they probably needed one, and as mentioned Man U need a DM.

12.) 01 Sep 2021 16:27:53
Most teams outside the top 4 have improved too.

13.) 01 Sep 2021 17:44:07
Both United and Chelsea have caught us. Mane and Bobby are not as good. Midway through that season Athletico Madrid figured us out. It’s not the same now as 2019-2021. We won’t be 33 points ahead of those clubs. We’ve aged, stood still and got stale/ burned out. The same players cannot keep going and going. Sir Bob wouldn’t be sat on the same squad.

{Ed014's Note - Jesus the shit on here over the last few days has been unreal.

No offence mate but ffs!

Fans on the other pages must be literally pissing themselves laughing at you.

14.) 01 Sep 2021 18:13:09
The excuse in the January window will be players are too expensive and no team wants to sell in January. That's the usual spin.

15.) 01 Sep 2021 18:14:42
Why oh why do we have to persist w teams have figured us out? Do you REALLY think it takes other coaches, players, etc. 2-3 years to say "ooooohhh. I get it now! " It's ridiculous. Klopp said as much. We had to play differently last season. Already we are seeing long diagonal balls from Virgil that we missed, more balls coming through the middle and also Matip adds a dimension to our attack.

16.) 01 Sep 2021 18:37:31
I really fell your pain Ed's because it is really getting ridiculous now lad's.

{Ed014's Note - it is mate, you are in with such a good shout of winning the big ones again this season and the whinging is unreal.

Tell you what, we’ll swap squads and give them something real to moan about! 😂😂

17.) 01 Sep 2021 19:25:49
Sir Bob never had to manage the club through a C.V. with no money. Doubt he ever had to cope with playing in empty stadiums or having all of his centre backs injured for a whole season either, particularly seeing as transfer windows didn’t exist back then and you could just buy people whenever you wanted.

‘Athletico Madrid figured us out’ firstly i can’t listen to anyone that still thinks it’s pronounced ‘Athletico’ and secondly you do realise we just lost a Champions League tie right? Like that’s it? Only one team can win it and great teams get knocked out of the Champions League all the time. Has every single team that's ever been eliminated from the competition been ‘figured out’ as a result and then fallen to bits?

Have City now been ‘figured out’ and rendered redundant because Chelsea have beat them 3 times in a row? We didn’t lose to Chelsea. We also happen to have two actually very good centre forwards, unlike City. Does the same logic not apply to them because Daddy Mansour bought them shiny new toys?

Fgs man I think i speak for everyone when i say i’m losing the will to live here.

{Ed014's Note - I think myself, Ed01, ed25 and ed666 are all broken after editing on here for the last few days.

18.) 01 Sep 2021 19:26:15
It's hard to read some of these comments. agree with Ed025, think united missed what they needed. a dm because they have a Fred sized hole! Anyone would think we were an awful team with no promising youngsters. space has to be created, it was always about contracts this summer. that's where the resources were spent (and debts, stadium, ground! ) . if u are going to saddle the club with more debts just to have some shiny new toys and jeapordise our longer term future is that how you want our club run (again)? No thanks. increased sustainability and if it means only one major transfer so be it. I'm sure the owners will back Klopp in future when he needs to.

19.) 01 Sep 2021 20:08:55
I put a post up yesterday, used to love the banter on here on deadline day - all the silly rumours about seeing Messi at Lime Street station etc….

Was quite depressing reading some of the trash over the last few days.

{Ed025's Note - yeah drogie, i loved riquelme at john lennon airport.. :)

20.) 01 Sep 2021 20:27:17
I don't know about fans on other pages p. ing themselves laughing at him, I certainly am!

21.) 01 Sep 2021 20:21:59
Ed14, I could literally feel the pain on your words as I read them. You’re prolly right. Other fans are prolly laughing at us right now with the absolute strop throwing and petulance being displayed on this forum for the past few days. As an Arsenal fan, I’m sure you must be livid.

AW, I no longer respond to the “we have been figured out” rubbish anymore cos it is not worth explaining anymore. It is nothing but a trope that was made up out of whole cloth by the media years ago and many fans bought it. Teams lose games. It’s football.

As for FSG, people have forgotten where they found us. We were dead broke like Barcelona are now and I’ll be damned if anyone would suggest we do anything that could lead us down that path again like get us into debt by fulfilling a splurge of fans who only care about themselves and their shiny new toys I. e transfers.

22.) 01 Sep 2021 20:25:52
Haha, forgot the John Lenon airport rumours mate 😂.

{Ed025's Note - ahh the good old days drogie..

23.) 01 Sep 2021 20:55:43
Why is everybody so disappointed, we wished for so many players over the years. When Alonso went we were delighted we got aqualani. Last year we didn't werner and we nearly had meltdown here, how did that work out. I'm watching the pool since the 70s and have seem the ups and down of our team, this is the most exciting team I have seen in a long time. There us a lot going on in the world at the moment so football is a great distraction, just sit back and watch the ride.

24.) 01 Sep 2021 17:40:07
Ed0666, my views are these.

Jones - though a promising young player, he does have a tendency to hold on to the ball too long and his decision making isn’t quite there yet (Wijnaldum was an experienced international player when he joined and sacrificed his own natural game to fit in with what Klopp wanted) . There is definitely a good player there though as he’s got quick feet, he’s physically a big strong player and he can pick a pass. I think MK suggested he could fill in for Firmino in that false nine role, I think that’s a great shout.

Milner - hasn’t got the legs any more, he is looking his 36 years now and is only an occasional use or sub player. He looked like he was struggling against Norwich.

Hendo - love him to bits but he’s prone to injury so isn’t the bullet proof player that Wijnaldum was and he’s also the only cover we have for the number 6 role when Fabinho isn’t available.

Keita - normally breaks down after 3 or 4 consecutive games and doesn’t seem to want to do the dirty work. Though he had a good game against Burnley, that has to be said.

Ox - can’t fault his willingness, hard work ethic or dedication. Just a shame he is made out of crisps, otherwise he’s almost the perfect replacement.

Also it seems unfair to turn a genuinely gifted player like Elliott into a water carrier.

{Ed0666's Note - we’re doomed we’re doomed. Even if 2 of the midfielders you critique step up well be ok mate. Hendo I have no qualms about but can you imagine Ox & Naby playing to their potential and we have zero worries. All we have is hope which springs eternal. Let’s not carry out the post mortem before the death hey?

25.) 01 Sep 2021 23:07:59
Athletico 'figured us out' Comment is back again. If anything the home game was one of most dominant one sided displays I had seen in Europe against an Elite team. So much so that Diego Simeone even said at the press conference that they were lucky! It was a mistake that cost us the tie; and missed chances. Not because Atletico figured us out for !

26.) 02 Sep 2021 00:05:33
We've got such a talented squad of players - why do folks obsessively go on and on about negatives they think are there?
Is it a generational thing, is it seen to be cool or something to do nothing but pick fault with a squad that in the last 2 years has won everything worth winning?
What kind of mentality causes people to look for the downside in eveything? Where's the joy in supporting the club?
I really don't get it.

27.) 02 Sep 2021 00:29:14
I would guess that a lot of posters might say that Hendo, Salah, Mane, Milner, Firmino are older since those days of winning the PL and CL. Its not an unfair observation but they certainly aren't ancient either. Keeping them fit is most important.

28.) 02 Sep 2021 03:03:32
Our squad is absolutely top drawer and capable of challenging, so agree that I don't see what all the whinging is about. I too would loved to have a signing like Saul or maybe another CF like Lukaku, but we built our squad in a similar way a few years ago to win the PL and CL and we just didn't have the same problems that needed fixing as some of the other teams.

In terms of who's had a brilliant window, it's hard to look past Chelsea. They proved their defence is going to be huge for them this year, and with Lukaku in there and creativity from the likes of Mount etc., I think they're very dangerous

Utd I agree has strengthen, but also completely agree with Ed they have a giant sized hole at DM that will likely scupper them (not to mention Ole's tactics)

Man City always dangerous but I think they can be got at with the lack of a CF, so not a slam dunk to win it this year

I think it's going to be one of the tightest seasons ever, and our experience and togetherness as a squad could well be critical. Everyone's going to drop some points this year.

28 Jul 2021 15:30:43
Not long to the first game.
I am hoping:
Mane is refreshed and ready, he really needed a mental break from playing footy to rediscover his form. When he is on it, he is just brilliant and can give Salah a run for his money.
Salah is even more determined than ever to finish with a Golden boot. His commitment on the pitch cannot be questioned. He is still our main man. He always has 2 or 3 defenders on him, can we find him some space to play this season? Can you imagine if we could.
Firmino finds that spark that was missing from his game last season. Possibly slowed a little too and maybe mentally fatigued too last season. And can we get him some and some scoring boots please, his finishing should be better to justify his place in the team.
Jota remains goal hungry but finds a greater level of composure in his play. I want him to remain selfish but not worry about competing with the others. Still young and plenty to learn and give to our team.
VVD/ Gomez are fit and healthy. We missed them for sure and that high line is made for their game. Biggest factor that was missing in our play last season and was the only reason for the poor run we had IMO. Effected everything including Klopps mindset. Just bad luck really. It will really help Robbo and TAA too.
Konate is as good as we think/ hope he is, and that he will give Gomez a challenge. He does look like a very fast hard tank, and he could be a permanent starter in quick time if results go our way.
Elliot gets a few games and becomes an established player by the end of the season. Could be a gem but we need to be careful not to pile pressure on him as fans. Still a boy.
Thiago finds way of being effective in every game because we will need it. He is top quality, but I do feel he can and should offer more, a high defensive line might just help him the most.
Hendo stays fit for all the prem games, we need leadership unless someone else can step up in a game ( VVD maybe)
Ox can remain fit. He has so much skill driving forward and can be a game changer for us.
We don't miss Gini too much, he was awesome for us and will be a great great loss. Others WILL have to step up for sure.
And Finally:
I am hoping Klopp is a bit more reflective after matches. He lost his ability to be humble and forgiving of bad luck IMO last season at some points. One or two too many public rants about the opposition or refs or other etc. The players and fans react to that in a negative way. I do love him though, I just want him to get back the the joy from games, that will translate to the whole squad more positively in general.

It might all seem obvious to us all, just my thoughts.

I am hoping for plenty more but if we get most of the above, it could be a great season, regardless of what any other club does. :)

YNWA.

1.) 28 Jul 2021 17:19:48
Keita. Not holding my breath on him, but seeing Pep raving about him last week. Surely last chance saloon for him?

2.) 28 Jul 2021 17:52:36
Yep we need quite a lot to go our way, but I will be very confident after the midfield signing appears.

3.) 28 Jul 2021 18:10:28
If Peo loves Keita so much he’s welcome to him. Just leave an cheque for £50m….

4.) 29 Jul 2021 12:48:49
Keita already strolls round like he is the bees knees, blowing smoke up his but won't exactly spur him on ha.

18 Sep 2020 17:03:52
Emergence of Komieto at CB means Hoevers chances restricted to right back only and then only if others get long term injuries. We have enough in that area of the pitch. Best to let him go and play elsewhere and have a great career. Jota is great, very good option to front 3, providing cost is low. But Taki should be played more. Can't wait to watch Thiago pull the strings. World class player.
If we can find a way of giving Salah more space to play instead of being crowded out by defenders, we can win it again for sure.

1.) 18 Sep 2020 17:27:49
Fans have clambered for Trent to move into midfield but it’s doesn’t look like it’s on Klopps agenda as he’s not trialled him there for a sustained period of time and we’ve got ample of options in the centre. That tells me Trents future lies at right back. And he is arguably one of the best right backs in world footballl. Williams has just signed a new contract also. That means Hoever is at least 3rd choice RB behind a world class one who has at least 10 years in the game and Williams. As far as CB goes if he’s leaving then Klopp doesn’t see him as a future LFC CB either.

18 Sep 2020 16:47:19
Emergence of Komieto at CB means Hoevers chances restricted to right back only and then only if others get long term injuries. We have enough in that area of the pitch. Best to let him go and play elsewhere and have a great career. Jota is great, very good option to front 3, providing cost is low. But Taki should be played more. Can't wait towatch Thiago pull the strings. World class player.

1.) 18 Sep 2020 17:01:11
Agree with all. But Taki isn’t good enough out wide he’s best through the middle. Jota would be a More natural back up for mane and salah if he came.

2.) 18 Sep 2020 17:39:15
LiverpoolFC8, I can see what you mean regarding Taki however I think Taki can play the inside right or left channel cos in the CS vs Arsenal, he played on the left with Salah in the middles, Bobbie in the hole and Mane on the right. So I think, it can work.

02 Sep 2020 14:04:09
Unbelievable. Fans crying over other clubs spending millions and Liverpool potentially not. Get a grip, enjoy the coming season as Premier League Champions. If we buy, great, if we don't buy, don't worry. Others are just trying to catch us up. No guarantee of success for any team spending millions. And just think, if we spend very little in this window, how big will your smile be if we retain the title. Imagine if Messi went to City and we still win the title. Or Utd get Sancho and we still win the title. don't you want to see Chelsea fall flat on their faces with all the new players they've signed. Stop all the whining and moaning, imagine how much all the other clubs want to be in our position right now. Reigning champions. Support the clubs decisions. You can't spend if you don't have anything to spend. You can't be stronger if you already think you can't be strengthened. All the new superstar players coming to England have to step up to a tougher, faster more intensive competitive league compared to where they have come from and they have to get used to living in a new country and integrating with their new club. We've already done that. 30 year wait for the title and we have moaners and whingers searching for better days. Give yourself a slap and remember what has just been achieved. Get behind the team we have now. YNWA.

1.) 02 Sep 2020 17:47:46
Nailed it, OP. It seems like some of our fans seem to b scarred for life and can never take joy in our club’s great successes. They always have to look elsewhere to see what others are doing and if we cannot match that, everything goes to bits and the whining and bitching is on. Even after winning the PL and CL back to back, this sense of self pity an inferiority complex still exists. Asda state of affairs, really.

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