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14 Aug 2023 19:21:26
Once a club renowned for shrewd and smart business, this DM situation has been so scattergun, it's unreal.
1.) 14 Aug 2023 19:43:24
One word, Edwards.
2.) 14 Aug 2023 20:00:00
I think it’s more a case of avoiding anyone who Chelsea are interested in.
3.) 14 Aug 2023 20:00:58
What the same Edwards who got Kabak and Davies.
4.) 14 Aug 2023 20:01:19
Apparently klopp is having big say in transfers, there is no excuse the club have to move on and get other targets . If we finish this window as it is we need answers as this is embarrassing and neglect beyond belief.
5.) 14 Aug 2023 20:20:51
Calm down we need an experienced player for a DM not e kid. More importantly a top class player to play across the back line.
6.) 14 Aug 2023 20:26:36
I think the fact that Boehly got personally involved in the dealings is prescient.
Chelsea's transfer approach somewhat mirrors Boehly's US sports strategy, basically blow the opposition financially out of the water.
If there's any lesson that Liverpool can learn now, it's surely to do your own transfer business very decisively and swiftly.
The market is extremely swift moving and value is not easy to find, so don't haggle over £5 million here or there because the consequences can be much more costly.
I do feel that there's a bit of leftovers from the two owners' US rivalry playing out here too.
7.) 14 Aug 2023 20:26:46
Well as disappointed as i am with how the last few days have been played out in such a public forum, I retain hope. They are not the only two DMs in the universe.
We signed Fabinho out of the blue. We did the same with Dominic Slobazai (sp) . I'd never heard of the kid quite honestly and I'll be many on here were the same. Not losing hope or trust at this point. Deflated yes massively. I just hope whoever comes in doesn't feel like sloppy thirds or fourths after the public mess the club have just put itself through.
Other clubs know we have money now and the clock is ticking. Won't be easy but not panicking just yet. I honestly wouldn't mind a punt on Kyle Walker Peters at RB and push Trent up the pitch.
8.) 14 Aug 2023 20:31:00
I agree with you wethereds. Somebody should definitely get sacked Jorge schmadtke one of them.
9.) 14 Aug 2023 20:38:15
We need answers! LMAO
Liverpool made accepted offers for 2 players who as it turns out want to play for another club. If it was the other way around you’d be crowing like a cockerel in a hen house. It happens so get over it put away your pitchforks and dismantle your guillotine. It’s football not life or death, if we finish 4th or 10th enjoy the good days, stop the arrogance and support your team like some of us have through good times and bad.
10.) 14 Aug 2023 20:40:33
Shambles. Acting like a small club.
11.) 14 Aug 2023 20:52:10
Sack schmadtke? He was only brought in for this transfer window. That’s worse action than the lavia saga your beaching about.
12.) 14 Aug 2023 20:57:49
Business is that and only that, this is not fifa football 2001, you guys have no idea what goes on but like to come here every day and bitch about the players, bitch about the club and bitch about the management while you're at it, best support in the world my foot.
{Ed025's Note - lifes a bitch napoleon.. :)
13.) 14 Aug 2023 21:05:58
Bit of an echo chamber going on here, we are not embarrassing, we aren’t a shambles, two targets picked another top flight club, one is a childhood fan, the other probably didn’t want to relocate up north. Who really cares, they are not coming, let’s go again. I doubt a single one of you was demanding we sign Lavia 12 months ago. All this talk of just pay the extra 5 million, don’t be crazy, in what world is just throwing around 5 million ok, it’s still 5 million pounds or another way to think about it is more money than you’ll earn in your life.
I want players who want to play for the club and I want the club to behave responsibly with its funds, so that we can keep signing players season after season. Chin up folks, all will be fine, good draw away at Chelsea, Bournemouth at the weekend, and who knows which awesome players will turn up before the end of the window, let’s be optimistic for a change.
14.) 14 Aug 2023 21:14:15
Can only work with what he had Frode, Better than melo and what’s going on atm.
15.) 14 Aug 2023 21:47:27
So we did not have the money initially.
What we did was to add the money we got from the sale to the wages saved.
Milner
Bobby
Ox
Keita
Henderson
Fabinho
6 players if the earned 150k per week is 47m + 52m
Thats 99m.
16.) 15 Aug 2023 05:10:34
Kit you also need to factor in agent fees and other costs, please wages saved is not incoming money, and will be replaced by any wages on new players or increases in other contract renewals.
In short, the numbers don’t stack up that way, it’s a lot more complicated, hence why best to stay away from the finances.
17.) 14 Aug 2023 23:11:34
Ed 25 what I mentioned by that it the liverpool supporters consider themselves as the dest in the in the world and there is nothing like a good night in anfield but the same bitch will stab the players in the back in a second because the Internet says so.
{Ed025's Note - every club is the same napoleon, microwave supporters who want success instantly, liverpool supporters are no better or worse than any other club mate and your right the internet has made it worse..
18.) 15 Aug 2023 07:35:26
Ed25, Ed2 won't agree with you.
{Ed025's Note - even the ED,s dont agree all the time Lenkijah, we all have our own views mate just like the rest..
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22 Aug 2023 18:13:53
Liverpool WIN appeal for Alexis Mac Allister's Red card. YES! YES! YES!
25 Jun 2023 12:08:19
Good day Eds,
What would you make of Liverpool's shift from getting top talents who can adjust more quickly like Jude Bellingham, Tchouameni, etc. to fancying young prospects with good potential like Thuram, Manu Kone, etc.? Is this a shift in transfer strategy?
Also, what do you think if Mac Allister didn't have this clause (Brighton's Europe qualification) and had a price tag of around 70m then Liverpool had fancied him or would he still be good value then?
What do other readers think?
1.) 25 Jun 2023 12:22:12
We have no idea if Tchouameni or Bellingham would've or could've adjusted quicker than Thurman or Kone. Bellingham is younger than the 2 you mentioned and Tchouameni is about the same age. They just come with bigger price tags, higher wages and a want to live in Madrid.
2.) 25 Jun 2023 12:33:08
Usually the strategy our board employs makes sense to me, and I support it. Lack of investment aside.
However, the whole situation around Fabio Carvalho has really left me puzzled. I’m not quite sure yet exactly in what position Klopp planned to really develop him. He was a free roaming 10 under Silva, and clearly has played the most minutes as a midfielder. But we seem to not want to try him there, and as a result he falls down the pecking order in our stacked front three.
I’m not criticizing, I guess I’m just disappointed we bought him, didn’t really let him have a proper run (correct me if I am wrong here but that’s how I remember it), and now look to ship him off to Leipzig for a season. I feel like if it’s his defensive work rate, pressing/ energy that is keeping him out of the side, surely staying and working with Klopp/ Ljinders would be the best option. What are your guys' thoughts?
3.) 25 Jun 2023 12:33:31
Regardless of price tag you can never know which players will settle in quicker or not.
I’d say Bellingham and Tchouameni were more established (full internationals) or known of but that doesn’t necessarily mean that Kone and Thuram can’t reach their levels or even better them in the future but in fairness I imagine Bellingham and Tchouameni will set the bar quite high.
The biggest difference in the first two seems to be the price tags.
The one thing all 4 have in common though is we’ve been linked to all 4 players but have yet to ever sign one.
That could very well change soon but only a few months ago Thuram and Kone weren’t being talked about and Bellingham was definitely joining us as he was a huge fan.
4.) 25 Jun 2023 13:02:51
The drop off in quality from Jude to the rest of our rumoured targets was always massive
So when we didn’t get him, we was forced to change our approach imo.
But 3 Mac Alister type signings, might be more useful to Liverpool, than 1 Bellingham.
5.) 25 Jun 2023 16:26:59
We should have paid what it took to get Bellingham and I will not veer from that view. I understand the finance side but that’s on FSG.
6.) 25 Jun 2023 16:41:49
I don't see a massive different to Tchouameni's situation last summer and Manu Kone's this summer. They had about the same amount of experience and are both considered to have promising futures.
Had we been smart, we should have moved for Kone last summer after Tchouameni made his decision to go to Real.
Khephren is a year behind that in his development as last season was his breakout.
As for Jude - I guess we'll find out what happened in time. I had always found the pursuit a little strange and his salary at Real pretty much confirms that he was never viable.
7.) 25 Jun 2023 16:48:01
I don’t think Bellingham wanted to miss out on CL football.
If we’d qualified we would have had more guaranteed funds and more prestige to attract players.
Top players want to play in the CL.
So it’s not purely on FSG. Results are on the manager.
8.) 25 Jun 2023 17:05:23
OP, we've literally signed a World Cup winner in the last few weeks. Price tag has no relevance to how much a player has proven. Mac Allister has a far better chance to adapt quickly than Bellingham or Tchouameni. Neither of them have ever even played in the Premier League.
9.) 25 Jun 2023 17:14:57
Ron, even if we were in the CL, Jude's salary demands would have been a no-go. Good luck to whoever is dealing with his next contract renewal in two years time.
10.) 25 Jun 2023 18:13:47
MKS, thanks for your input, mate.
I agree with your take on Mac Allister. He's a winner and premier league proven. That's why I mentioned him separately.
My question was more like "If McAllister's contract didn't have a European league clause (rumored ~35 million), would we still have picked him for the originally rumored price of 70m-80 million? Did his clause make him an exception? "
11.) 25 Jun 2023 19:21:11
That’s true FPF, they did the same with Gareth Bale and he milked them dry. Very difficult to move these players on when you give them such a contract.
12.) 25 Jun 2023 20:06:09
Right, got you now mate. I hope so but I can see your point. Maybe not. Mac Allister was too good an alternative to Bellingham not to go all in for though so I don't know to be honest. With him being able to play 6, 8 and 10 (like Jude) it just gives us so much more tactically flexibility.
I don't think we've been shy of a big money deal under FSG to be fair. When we were leaking goals for fun we went and got Virgil, Fabinho and Alisson for about £180m. This time the midfield is shot and our centre backs are fading and i reckon it'll be a similar story with the amount we'll spend to repair the damage. Not because that is our limit, but just because that's what you have to spend to get 3 or 4 good signings in the door to revamp a faltering team, and we don't really subscribe to the Chelsea/ United approach of signing 5-10 players every season. 2/ 3 midfielders and 1 centre back is what we needed and I'm sure we'll get it. I don't see it as a limit on what we'll spend on 1 player. More as a limit on what we'll spend in one financial year as we actually try to follow the FFP rules.
I think a decision needs to be taken on Fabinho as to whether we go for 2 or 3 midfielders. If he is considered to be finished as a starting midfielder then i think we'll have to sign a couple of younger midfielders on top of Mac Allister, such as Thuram and Veiga who will be more reasonably priced. However if Klopp and the staff think Fabinho can rediscover his form then i wouldn't be surprised if we went big on just 1 more midfielder and get a top top player such as Barella or even Mount if United can't agree a deal. The main priority this summer had to be to replace Henderson and Thiago in the starting XI as they just don't have the legs or fitness to press for 90 minutes across 50 games a season anymore. Mac Allister and Barella would be absolutely incredible replacements for those 2 players. If we ended up spreading the £80m Barella might cost across Thuram and Veiga though, I can live with that.
Either way I think a centre back such as Schuurs or Van der Ven will be signed to gradually surplant Virgil over the next few seasons (similar to how Konate gradually replaced Matip) .
13.) 25 Jun 2023 20:17:48
Am worried that we are making the same mistakes as last year, buying potential, both Ramsey and carvalho are leaving on loan as they are not ready, 100% agree Bellingham was too expensive, but think we need to buy more experienced players than Thuram and Kone.
{Ed002's Note - Most clubs look to bringing in younger players and supplement their younger squads and build a potential future for them through growth and loans. Expecting Liverpool to keep signing the Bellinghams, Gvardiol etc is unrealistic.}
14.) 25 Jun 2023 22:57:31
A very fair assessment, MKS
And yes, I believe Barella would be unbelievable - will be a statement signing just like VVD and Alisson.
For the last 2 years, there seems to be a growing discontent among the supporters (at least online) against FSG's lack of investment. Many argue that it was only Coutinho's money that enabled us to buy Ali and VVD.
Last summer, we were ready to splash cash on Tchouameni. Although it didn't materialize, we bought Nunez, the club's most expensive signing. I don't know whether it was an alternative (tactically, to compensate for the lack of midfielder signing) or if we'd have in any case bought Nunez given Mane's impending departure, etc. Again, similar arguments are thrown in that it was either-or and the departure of Mane, Minamino and Neco were to recover most of the spending.
Whatever it is, I guess this window will answer most of the questions.
This time, I believe Klopp finally must have learnt from our unsuccessful pursuits of Tchouameni and Jude.
Let's hope we have a banger of a transfer window and next season we get back to our very best. Cheers.
15.) 26 Jun 2023 00:42:28
Here's a novel idea as to why Bellingham picked Madrid over LFC ( I know I can be a real maverick with off-the-wall ideas sometimes ?) .
He didn't want to miss out on the 110K extra, per week, that he is getting at Madrid? Because I don't see how LFC could muster up the courage to pay more than 200k a week to an 18 year old? Despite the LFC fanbase fully convinced that he is the reincarnation of Pele, Maradona, Cruyff or something similar?
Just a thought.
16.) 26 Jun 2023 08:51:13
ArAy - it’s twice that.
17.) 26 Jun 2023 09:48:07
We the Reds, Ed02 addressed this very topic on the Rumours page. I propose you check that out and give it a read. Awesome stuff.
30 Aug 2023 15:18:44
I guess, Klopp meant no departures "on permanent basis".
{Ed002's Note - Probably just another lie.}
24 Aug 2023 16:13:40
I support and love this club, and try not to doom and gloom all the time.
But if we should be honest, last 3 summer transfer windows are big big flops from the recruitment, ownership, and Klopp’s part. I don't want to put the blame on one department but on whole organization.
Our obsession with the right player brought us down from the top. I have always confidence in this team and Klopp, but I can't see us challenging for the title in the immediate future. You can not do this without quality depth, which I think we don't have in many areas. Would love to be proven wrong of course.
Complete disaster class from us in transfers, bar Macca and Szobo clauses.
23 Aug 2023 22:24:35
Davey, as reported by The Athletic, Caicedo was never even willing to discuss personal terms with Liverpool. There was never an agreement with the him. He only wanted Chelsea. He conveyed the same to Klopp.
The question arises, why the heck we even bid without getting a nod from him?
19 Jul 2023 15:30:08
Great point, MKS.
I know this might not be a popular opinion, but I'm open to a sale if we receive a fantastic deal, and £50 million isn't considered one. I believe a figure around £75 million or above would pique our interest. I don't agree with those who claim he's worth £100 million or £150 million.
However, I want to emphasize that I'll only consider selling him if we can secure a replacement like Kvaratskhelia or Rafael Leão.
Let's keep our options open and see how things unfold.
24 Jun 2023 17:33:00
That means we can only afford players who ONLY want to play for Liverpool come what may. ALL THE BEST!
{Ed002's Note - I thought all players are Liverpool supporters - it is what I am constantly being told.}
01 Sep 2023 22:23:10
Man. of. todd, To be fair I don't see anybody bashing Jones in this thread.
Yes, JK, it was £58 million (50+8). Nowhere near 80 million. Also, Paulinho turned 28 in July.
25 Aug 2023 15:24:25
Well, we've built the team around getting the best out of Salah. It may be true that there is no clear and obvious replacement. I'd suggest that means, when Salah goes, we likely change our tactics. Different type of winger and shift the focus of the attack elsewhere.
{Ed001's Note - but we haven't done that. I don't think you understand the tactics if you think they are built around getting the best from Salah. If they were, we wouldn't be playing the system we are doing.}
25 Aug 2023 14:01:58
Has to be some type of joke, without even adding Murillo to Forest….
- Liverpool have spent €298m in two seasons.
- Nottingham forest has spent €385m in two seasons.
FSG are really killing us off, we’ve deserved better for years, yet we’re still getting out spent by a team who could be in the championship next season.
And some here are howling we can't compare ourselves with Man City blah blah! I mean, get real.
25 Aug 2023 11:32:41
Klopp said, "Konate's got an injury, so he won't play against Newcastle. "
"We need to be lucky with injuries", he added.
25 Aug 2023 11:19:34
Haha, LFC8.