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01 Jun 2022 21:44:24
This talk of salah joining a prem club when his contract runs out is almost coming across like a threat, is it really healthy to keep a player for a season when all the talk will be about what prem club he joins? and if he ain't playing well the narrative will be its because he is leaving, it feels a bit toxic to me and to show the club is bigger than him I would sell and move forward if we get a good offer because his mind is elsewhere, I have seen the club only offered him 15 percent pay rise can't blame him but the club is more important.

hailstones

1.) 01 Jun 2022 22:03:35
I was 100% do anything to keep him, but the way it’s going, like you, I think the situation is becoming toxic and it would be best to move him on now. There’s not going to be any agreement suitable to him and his agent. Sell, get some money, move on.

{Ed0666's Note - I wouldn’t sell him now to sell mane & Salah would be folly. Sell mane now, Salah leaves on a bosmon next season and go from there.


2.) 01 Jun 2022 22:04:33
If those comments are true then good riddance to the little rat. I think he needs a kick up his backside and remember what club made him who he is today. it’s all well and good if you want to better yourself and your family but don’t bite the hand that fed you. prick

( that’s if he did say those comments )

{Ed0666's Note - How is he a rat? If a rival company offered you a better salary and you joined them would you be a rat? Would you care what you ex employers thought of you? He’s done nothing wrong. Please let’s stop casting aspurtions before he’s joined City or United and if he does who gives a fu*k???


3.) 01 Jun 2022 22:14:23
So he wouldn’t be a rat if city or united offered him a nice wage packet and he went? This is just
Hypothetically speaking. because realistically it’s only city, Chelsea, city or united that could offer him that money in the prem.

{Ed0666's Note - why is he a rat if he signs for anyone apart from Liverpool? Is he Liverpool born & raised? As I said before they are all mercenary’s like most people on everyday jobs. I don’t think Owens a rat for signing for United I just don’t like him because he was all about himself and not the team. Salah has given us everything and not once complained about anything. Pre AFCON he was the best player in the world certainly better than Ronaldo isn’t it fair he asked for Ronaldo type money??


4.) 01 Jun 2022 22:23:28
Of course we would give a f**k if our best players join our rivals. We get weaker and they get stronger with our legendary players having dampened their own and our legacy. Michael owen springs to mind. Can’t think of much worse. It’s like if Utd got Klopp, I would feel physically sick for a long time. Has Mane actually come out yet and confirmed he wants to leave? I thought Salah was staying another year?

{Ed0666's Note - if he goes to city/United we replace him. It’s not like it’s the end of the world is it? We replaced Keegan, Barnes, Dalglish, Torres’s, Suarez, Gerard etc etc. Owen never had a legacy in my eyes he was a selfish twat and that will be his legacy not signing for United and scoring 2 goals.


5.) 01 Jun 2022 22:25:03
Has a rival offered him a better deal Ed? I’m not going as far as name calling but it does seem like a threat from his agent if true. The irony if Salah does run down his contract and still doesn’t get his big move would be quite something.

Personally it annoys me the club have let themselves get into this position. They should of started this last season moving one of mane and Salah then the other this year. Guess C.V. through a spanner in the works for many clubs tho.

But if Klopp is happy then so am I even if they decide to sell Salah now too, klopp and his team proven themselves over and over.

{Ed0666's Note - I don’t know what he’s been offered or by whom mate. It’s seems like the kangaroo court in these parts have passed sentence already.


6.) 01 Jun 2022 22:26:04
I think rat is uncalled for, but I do think it’s a lack of respect to the supporters and self awareness on Salah’s part.

I genuinely think I’d get rid now Ed. No point keeping someone who has no interest in the long term here. Get some money bring someone in, a bosman would be awful as all we’re doing is kicking the problem down the road and then having no money to replace him. Sell now, get some cash. Let’s get Nunez and Bowen and move on.

{Ed0666's Note - I’d rather keep him and let him go on a bosman replacing 30 goals a season guaranteed with Bowen is risky business mate.


7.) 01 Jun 2022 22:48:12
Take the red tinted glasses off and look at it from an employee's angle. That's what he is, an employee, and as in every walk of life those that don't get what they want move on to pastures new. No difference whether you're stacking shelves or playing football. Good luck to him.


8.) 01 Jun 2022 22:49:43
Hailstones - Mondidnt say he would join a rival PL club. You’ve been duped by the Daily Fail re-quoting Mo from an interview he did in October 2019. All he said was that he hates the thought of playing against Liverpool if they can’t agree a deal with Liverpool.


9.) 01 Jun 2022 22:57:41
Whoever we do buy is going to be risky, but we might as well face that problem now, and face it with some money to spend than have him leave with and have to address the problem with no money to spend and I’d far rather we went for Nunez and Bowen as a double transfer (like we did with Barnes and Beardsley) than waste money and time on the likes of Dembele, Danjuma, Gakpo, Antony or whoever else, as they would a far bigger risk given that Bowen and Nunez both have good antecedents in terms of goal scoring against decent opponents. Bowen in particular was responsible for nearly 25 goals in goals scored and assists in the league for West Ham (which was nearly half of all the goals they scored), so he isn’t a mug by any stretch, as for Nunez, I genuinely think he’s going to be top class. And he offers a physical presence we don’t have at the moment.


10.) 01 Jun 2022 22:59:21
@Ed maybe it depends on how you look at it but It would be such a shame and a sad thing to see if this does happen ( a big IF ) and his legacy is ruined due to to it and btw Ed I’ll say he may not be liverpool born but he was Liverpool raised 😉.


11.) 01 Jun 2022 23:03:41
Ed0666 your talking nonsense. Football isn’t just like someone leaving an office for another office. Football clubs such as Liverpool have millions of supporters and fans who pay thousands of pounds a year to watch them. If a player leaves for a closest rival it is a rat move. Plain and simple.


12.) 01 Jun 2022 23:17:51
Now Salah is a rat and we need to get shot of him all because of some crap rumours on the Internet.
There are some drama queens on here, seriously.


13.) 01 Jun 2022 23:25:17
Can we call fans rats for jumping to conclusions about what a player didn't say? I think it's fair game.

VVVV - it could go either way but I'd rather keep Mo for a year of production while he is still at peak. Remember, he'll be playing for a contract in a year that could be the apex of his peak years. So it wouldn't be in his interests to turn it in and pack a sad. I mean he already isn't drumming up interest from other clubs, so I think we hold a lot of leverage in terms of getting the best out of him next season. If he goes for free, then we clear that salary of the books and free up transfer money other ways. Either way I think it is a very viable option for us to look at.


14.) 01 Jun 2022 23:26:16
get rid, Get some money and get a player that wants to play for us.


15.) 01 Jun 2022 23:26:43
I actually want him to stay but fsg aren't budging and he isn't bending so we keeping our star player for a season knowing he is off but wants to stay in prem, my immediate reaction is let's listen to offers and send a message that we are not a club who relys on individuals.


16.) 01 Jun 2022 23:31:04
Just incase some of you didn’t see but I clearly stated IFFFF he did say those things then I stand by what I said. if it was, as you guys say a rumour, then no need to worry. simple.


17.) 01 Jun 2022 23:40:13
Salah hasn’t signed a new contract, is unlikely to Flash and his agent is briefing the press. It’s not getting shot, but making a sensible business decision as I would wager very heavily that Salah won’t sign a new agreement.


18.) 01 Jun 2022 23:40:17
We don't need to replace his "30 goals a season"

Fabinho can take better penalties than Salah does.

And the pointless goals when piling on against rubbish like United and Leeds would have been better replaced by at least one goal in a semi final or final.

Leaving for another EPL club does not make him a bad person.

In fact, I hope he does, because he is completely overrated. And just like Owen, he is all about himself and his individual awards.


19.) 01 Jun 2022 22:38:15
Ed0666 we have to move on from salah and mane at some point and i don't want players at the club who want to leave or feel they need a change. We are in a full on battle with man city who are hitting 90+ points every season and we need everyone on board pulling in the same direction .

{Ed0666's Note - yes but losing 30 goals a season and replacing with 10 or thereabouts will only take us further away from the holy grail.


20.) 01 Jun 2022 23:46:53
Thing is Faith, we work on a hand to mouth basis, so if Salah leaves on a free we won’t have sufficient money to spend to buy a suitable replacement. Sell him now while he had economic value, he’s not the long term of the club, use the funds from his and mane’s sale for two new forwards. If he’s here next year he’s not going to bust a gut as it will impair his chances of a big move. He’s almost entirely useless to us.


21.) 01 Jun 2022 23:59:35
Is that a direct quote from Salah, or is it taken out of context? I can't believe that he would come out and make that statement.


22.) 02 Jun 2022 00:01:10
Ed666 makes a lot of sense.

In fairness to mo, although I don't agree with all the crap in the press, has earned to leave on a free and command a wage.

I also believe lfc should think about the team and offering 1 man huge wages above everyone else.

The transition is key and 1 more year with mo and integrating another forward for mane is the way forward.

Just don't see mo replicating 30 goals a season over 3 years, fsg and to degree jurgen have a system and plan, painful as it Is we just need to trust.

Club, fans have values and its got us this far have respect for legends and trust the process.


23.) 02 Jun 2022 00:31:56
Damn, vvvv really have the klipperty on bowen and nunez didn't he.


24.) 02 Jun 2022 01:50:46
I thought we had decided that we don’t score enough goals from the chances we make (20+ shots in the CL final and no goals) . Perhaps if we replace Salah and / or Mane we might score more goals than this season. I’m fairly sure Lewandowski would give a fair account of himself as an example.

I get the impression that some fans think we own the person rather than the football player - we don’t (and neither does the football club for that matter) . If a player reaches the end of his contract and decides, for whatever reason, to pursue a new challenge then that is his right. The fact that people start calling them names, based mostly on heresay rather than actually knowing anything about the individual says a lot more about the person doing the name calling in my opinion.


25.) 02 Jun 2022 02:10:48
Stone - he didn't say that he will go a plan for a rival PL club. it is absolutely taken out of context and liverpool fans are lapping it up and giving the Daily Fail easy clicks.


26.) 02 Jun 2022 02:11:11
Sell him to the hihest bidder. he's had his best years. LFC need cash to buy for the future.


27.) 02 Jun 2022 02:11:32
VVVV - still think we're more likely to let him go for free than sell him for peanuts this summer.


28.) 02 Jun 2022 02:52:18
VVVV, Salah will bust a gut next season because that's what he's about and because he's putting himself in the shop window, so to speak. He wants that 30-40M signing on fee on top of the weekly wage. If his numbers are good he'll prob get it. I don't like this talk of going to another PL club. I think it's an indirect threat to the club. We scored a shed load of goals w Sterling Sturride Suarez and we will again wout Mane and Salah. Given the choice of keeping them and losing Klopp or the opposite, I know what we'd all take. Klopp is staying and I 100% trust him to keep us at the top.


29.) 02 Jun 2022 03:17:20
Its salah’s problem. Liverpool have offered him a huge deal. The numbers are staggering. He wouldn’t sign. He could have got more but his agent screwed it up for him. If a meaningful offer does come we would let him go. Problem is unlike mane, no one has any declared any interest in salah at the moment.


30.) 02 Jun 2022 04:07:22
the real impasse in these negotiations- Mo Salah’s Image Rights?
From what I gather, he’s the only LFC player holding onto them and they’re apparently worth at least £4-5m a year to a player of his global stature. The top players at LFC, City and elsewhere give up their Image Rights as part of their wage packages. The likes of Rooney in the part and Ronaldo always have these taken into account on their wage negotiation.
These images are extremely valuable. Plus, they not only have a current value but a long term money spinning value even past a players career is over as images are needed for retro stories as time passes.
In my mind, if Salah gives up his Image Rights to LFC, then his wage demands can be met. But he, and his agent, aren’t prepared to do this and are being disingenuous to the public perception of this new contract offering.
Can you investigate to clarify or feny if it is in fact the Salah Image Rights as the real reason behind FSG not breaking their wage structure for Mo? Given the amount of rancour and misinformation around these negotiations, I believe it would make a difference to the public perception of Mo’s integrity and FSG’s, and LFC’s, wage structure position.


31.) 02 Jun 2022 05:38:19
Only rats I can see are certain posters on this thread. By the same warped logic Salah shouldn't have signed for Liverpool because he had played for Chelsea before. Or Milner as he had played for City. Its Salah's career and he's entitled to make his own decisions.


32.) 02 Jun 2022 06:26:36
All this hand wringing and knicker wetting because of a clickbait rumour. You'd think folks would be wiser by now - but nope.
THe hysteria and faux outrage is comical.


33.) 02 Jun 2022 08:14:51
Scary how quick fans turn.

Also some very bizarre comments in this thread pushing this new agenda that Salah is actually not that good anyway because he scores some penalties and doesn’t score in finals.

All this over a supposed quote from a rag.


34.) 02 Jun 2022 08:43:46
Why the drama? Nothing to see here. Salah will be with us next year. He’ll be rested and back on top form. At end of contract he is free to go wherever he chooses. As always we will simply find the next keegan, dalgleish, rush, Fowler, ‘Owen, Torres, Suarez, salah etc etc.


35.) 02 Jun 2022 08:58:48
It's a changing of the guard this next 12 months. Milner possibly leaving, Mane appears like he might, with Firmino injuries last 2 years, I imagine he will be kept on and let walk next summer. With Salah, I think it depends on what we could get for him, 20-25 million, keep him, around 50, you seriously think about it, it would fund his replacement, if someone offers 75-100 range, take the money and reinvest in young, hungry players. We won't challenge for the league if that happens, Klopp will need some time to mold the players, get them used to the system, but the payoff could be huge in second part of the season and the future. I believe one of the Ed's said we are not a club that can let players walk out on a free in the months or years past, just don't have that kind of finances, I agree.


36.) 02 Jun 2022 09:21:39
The only thing I'll say is that Rami Abbas Issa enjoys playing games with the hierarchy at LFC. I'm not sure that they will keep putting up with his games even for a player of Mo's ability. He's been a good servant to the club but he's giving his agent too much leeway to say problematic things that will end badly. One would have thought that Mo would have learned by now that Issa is unable to deliver what he always wanted.


37.) 02 Jun 2022 10:24:56
I have a feeling Salah will be a Newcastle player.

I’ve said it since their takeover really, a Middle Eastern, Arabic speaking billionaire will give Salah a blank cheque.

He’ll be 31 by that time, won everything and might want to get the money in, while also competing in the league he wants.

I think it makes perfect sense to both sides, the Saudi owners get the Middle Eastern golden boy, while Salah is still competing at the highest level on ridiculous wages.


38.) 02 Jun 2022 13:19:35
Like Fottball Manager in this post. sell your two top scorers and just expect to kick on or at worst continue were we left off.


39.) 02 Jun 2022 13:26:02
He wants to stay in England. He’s got Prem records in his sights and the family is probably happy here. He wants to stay with us too. If we don’t pay him to going rate of top players someone else will.


40.) 02 Jun 2022 16:24:55
Dont get the drama with many LFC fans whenever 1 of our better players, god forbid want to move on. Regardless of the years at the club. Chelsea have the best policy. If a player want to leave they don't stand in the way. Every player is a serious injury away from retirement. The club will go on and the world moves on. 5 years or more at the same club for a foreign playet is more than enough nowadays. Thank you and good luck. Move on without bitching.


41.) 02 Jun 2022 13:58:10
With all due respect ed0666,we never replaced Barnes, we allowed him to get fat and old in a rubbish team. He was the best player in Europe in the late 80's, we never got a player of that level for a long time after.

{Ed0666's Note - Barnes moved into centre midfield all pudgy and slow and still was the best player in our team


42.) 03 Jun 2022 18:07:51
Spaceman. You coud be very right because for the longest time Salah had the same Image Rights issue with the Egyptian Football Federation. They've had disagreements and he has threatened not to play for the national team, because of their use of his image rights. I guess some kind of agreement must have taken place.

Aside from that. There's some seriously medieval thinking in this thread.


 

 

22 May 2022 22:02:06
Looks like tchouameni is joining Madrid, we seem to have been scouting sangare of eindhoven, he looks a unit of a man and going by clips looks great but does anyone know how good this guy really is?

hailstones

1.) 22 May 2022 22:44:58
Think we will be linked with just about everyone lol, whoever we sign we usually get it right :)

Not seen much of him tbf only bits, like gakpo big fast and physical.


2.) 23 May 2022 09:29:37
Hailstones check a Tifo video on the player. He looks to be a very good fit for us.
Shame re Tchouameni, but few players would choose anyone else over Madrid.
Our MF needs some work due to injury proneness, inconsistent form and age.


3.) 23 May 2022 10:41:11
He’s a big unit but his first touch is a bit of a shocker. He’s as likely to give the ball away as he is win it back. To me he has that same awkwardness in possession that Djimi Traore and Mahmadou Sakho had. The only similarities between him and Tchouameni is they have similar stats for tackling and interceptions (as stats are the in thing now) .

We should have moved quicker on Tchouameni while Madrid were being led a merry dance by Mbappe, we’ve missed out on a genuine top class midfielder who would have immediately improved our starting 11 and given us some security when fab is not available.


4.) 23 May 2022 11:48:29
I have watched long youtube clips of him but they only show his strengths, i wondered if anyone knew how consistent he is week in week out and how important he is to the team . It seems his passing tackling heading defensive duties and certainly physicality is on point. Sometimes players from french and dutch league can look deceptively good because of the level of opposition.

{Ed002's Note - He is very good hence the interest of so many leading sides.}


5.) 23 May 2022 12:09:10
VVVV, i watched Tchouameni for the first time against RC Lens the other day and he did not look like he'd immediately improve us, albeit one game is a tiny sample size. Passing was average, his crosses were over hit, when he tried to play a through ball he got it wrong most times, he fell over to gift Lens a golden chance, twice a player ghosted past him without him making a challenge, he blazed a shot a mile off target, and to cap it off he lost his man on a set piece for Lens to equalise in added time.

I'll give him his dues, he did make a lot of interceptions and he was very good at pressuring players into mistakes in their own 3rd. He did also get up and down the pitch well often popping up in both boxes.

I won't write him off as a player from 90 minutes, but from what i did see he'd need to improve massively on that performance to get near our best XI.


6.) 23 May 2022 13:16:47
May not be relevant here, but multiple media (via Google! ) suggesting that Tchouameni has agreed terms with both Madrid AND us.

{Ed0666's Note - I would have thought that his desire to join Madrid and Madrid losing out on Mbappe would put Madrid in pole position to sign him but hopefully I’m wrong.


7.) 23 May 2022 13:40:31
If he chooses Real after Klopp's pitch to him then his love for Real will be strong and there's not much else you can do really. We'd just have to move to the next target on the list.

Not a big fan of Sangare. Don't think he's technical enough to be much more than cover.

Wonder whether Agibou Camara is still of interest. Not a like for like physically but boy can the kid press and tackle.


8.) 23 May 2022 13:26:58
Fair point Ed0666, but the big boned lady is only just warming up until we get a formal announcement! Need a I mention Diaz ;-)

{Ed0666's Note - I agree maybe Jurgen can dust off some old VHS recordings of Brookside and see if a Jimmy Corkhill montage can persuade him to put pen to paper?


 

 

19 Feb 2022 00:09:42
Heavily linked with Anthony of ajax complete baller in the Dutch league but untested elsewhere. Personally I think he looks suarez levels and is completely worth it at 30 million would evolve our squad to levels we haven't witnessed its possible as mane, taki, ox, origi could move on and its looking more likely salah will play out his contract or be sold .

hailstones

1.) 19 Feb 2022 10:52:51
Would he be a Salah replacement? Haven't seen much of him but for some reason I've it in my head he's a left footer who plays on the right.


2.) 19 Feb 2022 20:08:56
Yes mane he is exactly that but can play either side and in midfield . The South American connection would really be taking shape .

{Ed0666's Note - that was some finish from mane today wow


3.) 19 Feb 2022 21:33:52
Thanks Hailstones 👍.


4.) 19 Feb 2022 23:49:52
Yes ed 0666 mane's goal was delicious, I think he plays centre forward for senegal very well an in bobby an jotas absence mane could evolve into that position he can hold the ball up well and harass.

{Ed0666's Note - he was interchanging with Diaz today which I was happy about also


5.) 20 Feb 2022 08:48:49
Ed0666 I said before I see the team yesterday I wanted to see Diaz Mane and Salah start to see how they play together and a goal each speaks for its self.
The interchanging from them 3 will be a total nightmare to play against because all 3 are so dangerous from all 3 positions I think that is are best front 3 as it stands and with all the goals Jota has got this season he can count himself unlucky but he does not link up as good as them 3.

{Ed0666's Note - I have no problems with mane taking Bobby’s place because him my opinion he’s will do a better job there than he would on the left. And that’s taking nothing away from Bobby who has been a lion for us but he’s more like a cat at the moment. There’s no doubts about Salah who I’ve run out of superlatives for. The man is just a genius and gives me more pleasure than any other footballer I’ve ever seen (apart from maybe the king, Digger Barnes, Bobby Baggio & Zizou) but Diaz is the one that may just well be the new Anfield Idol for years to come. He’s fit in seamlessly and I’d like to see those three play more together and Jota to be first sub. Maybe this will give Mane a new lease of life also? It would be remiss of me not to say at this juncture the construction of all three goals was simply breathtaking!


6.) 20 Feb 2022 12:11:02
It would be difficult to bench Jota the rate he's recently scoring at.


7.) 20 Feb 2022 16:25:31
Great players on a certain wavelength (world class) can play together and diaz has given us a spark of excitement and reinvigorated our squad . Bobby can still be an important squad player if he sticks around .


8.) 20 Feb 2022 17:12:41
Jota gets way too much disrespect. He’s second top scorer in the league. Think of the players he’s above, Kane Ronaldo Son Mane Sterling Fernandes Vardy Bowen…
IMO Diogo is undroppable in current form.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m one of his biggest detractors and I’m owning the criticism. If Mane plays well in the middle he’ll have an issue deposing him because Diaz is doing exactly what Jota should be doing and putting the ball in the net. Saying that I’m ecstatic we have a guy that knows how to put the ball in the net like Jota to call upon.


9.) 20 Feb 2022 19:34:10
Thing is LiverpoolFC8 Jota is now currently injured and the 3 in possession scored yesterday. We now have what we've always wanted super back up, no scratch that super options. 5 solid options for 3 places.


10.) 20 Feb 2022 20:51:39
Think mane will leave coz can't see Jota being dropped if he keeps on scoring goals.

Player of that Calibre who has potential to fight for golden boot will never accept to sit on the bench. Unless he's scoring rate takes a huge hit.


11.) 20 Feb 2022 21:28:38
Jota is not aesthetically pleasing on the eye, whereas diaz is technically gifted and flows past people for fun, but as we all know jota is deadly which is perfect for us . I agree if mane could evolve into a striker it could give him a fresh chapter in his liverpool career .


12.) 20 Feb 2022 21:37:06
Hailstones mate even if mane evolves as a striker whom will he displace? Like jota can't see him accepting to play 2nd fiddle.


13.) 21 Feb 2022 05:31:51
The fact that we have an abundance of riches upfront now should be seen as a real positive. I think jota has been great and I can’t see us getting rid of him when he is viable goal threat upfront. The same applies to mane, of course salah, and now Diaz. If you add in firmino, that’s some considerable options we have. I think it allows us to be able to be more tactical upfront. I don’t see jota leaving because he’s young and has so much potential to be better than he is already, but I can see at least one of mane, firmino and salah leaving. With mane and firmino, it will boil down to game time and age (they aren’t getting any younger) . With salah, whilst he is the same age as mane and firmino, I can see him still banging in 20+ goals for another 2/ 3 seasons at least (something I don’t think you are going to get from mane and especially firmino), so for him it will be money (because it doesn’t look like his contract issue is being resolved any time soon, although let’s hope it is as I would prefer to keep him as he is truly world class) . I have not mentioned the more peripheral players like minamino and origi only because they aren’t really in the same league as the players already mentioned, and I think we will try to sell them in the summer anyway.


14.) 21 Feb 2022 06:43:28
I’d expect us to want more than three attackers over the course of a season - in no particular order Salah, Mane, Jora, Diaz and Firmino being on the books next season wouldn’t be the worst thing that could happen.


15.) 21 Feb 2022 08:26:22
Why would you not want any of Bobby, Sadio, or Diogo coming off the bench over, oh let's say Divock (even though he deserves a statue), Kaide (though I think he will be mega in a few years when the time comes) or more to the point anyone we'd have to buy in for depth?

I know wages are a factor but you'd hope we keep these players on the books.


16.) 21 Feb 2022 08:50:13
WDW agreed and if we win trophies and rotate they will be happy enough for now.


17.) 21 Feb 2022 09:56:56
Yes in an ideal world we would want all to stay forget abt wages for a second and ask yourself.

Why would Jota who's 2nd top scorer in the league and a potential golden boot winner will accept to sit on the bench or play second fiddle?

Why would Mane who gets made when substituted will accept to sit on the bench and play 2nd fiddle at this stage of he's career?

Think only Bobby would be happy coming from the bench can't see Jota or Mane accepting that role.


18.) 21 Feb 2022 14:06:13
There are 2 reasons a player will stay even if they are rotated regularly.
1. Money
2. Trophies

Anybody here think Mahrez or Sterling like being benched when they could walk into any team in England other than Liverpool? They tolerate being subbed on or off, because they've won several medals in their time at City.

We should strive for those levels of competition. It's the only way to challenge on 4 fronts. Having said that, i think age should be considered and Mane or Firmino should move on to make way for a player with a part to play in the long term ambitions of the club. Maybe it's Gordon or maybe we dip into the market. But having 3 forwards in their 30's next year would be irresponsible financially in my opinion.


19.) 22 Feb 2022 07:02:18
@Kopforever, I understand the drawbacks for players who want to be a starter who aren’t starting but when was the last time we had all of our squad fit and ready to go? At the moment, as an example, Bobby and Diogo aren’t fit. Before that (admittedly for a variety is f reasons) Bobby, Mo and Sadio weren’t available. I’d imagine it would be pretty rare for all five to remain fully fit / available for an extended period of time and, God forbid they do all remain fit it is probably a burden O could live with as a fan.


20.) 22 Feb 2022 20:30:03
Yes but Klopp won't take a risk thinking they might no be available at the same time. Coz even if 4 of them are available can be a problem coz Jota Salah and Mane are starters unless Diaz is happy to operate from the bench majority of the games. There's a reason mane was straight out in 1st 11 after returning from AFCON coz him and Salah don't like to sit on the bench and then you've jota who's scoring rate is unbelievable and a potential golden boot winner.


 

 

29 Aug 2021 16:46:37
I have been moaning about a different option up front and that guy awoniyi has scored again today for Berlin, I would rather of kept him for a different option up front than origi who is done .
That guy was a unit strong quick an looks to be scoring bummer!

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1.) 29 Aug 2021 17:16:08
Think there was an issue with a work permit for him.


2.) 29 Aug 2021 19:17:26
Hindsight gives you 20-20 vision after a couple of games.


3.) 29 Aug 2021 23:51:02
Origi should have been moved on many seasons ago. He is a nice fella but they don't win you games when you need someone to come on and score!


4.) 30 Aug 2021 08:08:19
And how can the club force a player to move on Baz when he has refused to move? To see it from Origi's side - he gets on relatively well with everyone in the team and thinks of Liverpool as home but the only bids that came in for him were from clubs and places he did not want to go to. It is well documented from June 2020.


5.) 30 Aug 2021 08:10:58
Also, Minamino was meant to be the person that could come on and score but for various reasons that did not work out as yet.


6.) 30 Aug 2021 12:28:53
So Awoniyi was supposed to be our saviour now in hindsight, as usual. The kid never played a single game for us, not even in the reserves YET he was supposed to be kept cos he scored a goal for a bottom feeder club in Germany. Yep, I think we now have Michael Edwards’ replacement right here on this forum. Brilliant.


 

 

23 Aug 2021 12:58:52
If indeed we are looking to buy an attacker why are we not looking at joaqin correa he is available can play anywhere along the front line, whilst being tall he is quick holds the ball up and likes to take defenders on, I think if he comes to prem he will thrive in the same way Raul jiminez has as they are similar .

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{Ed025's Note - he is bound for either Athletico, Spurs or Everton mate..


1.) 23 Aug 2021 15:27:43
He has only managed 30 goals in 117 games in a good Lazio team in a poor division outside maybe 3 clubs so I wouldn't want to gamble on a player of those returns to be honest. He may come good but I wouldn't take the risk hard pass.


 

 

 

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25 Jun 2022 00:50:44
If we decided to sell mo salah this summer how much would he be worth? Also he wants to stay in prem so only man united, Newcastle, City and at a stretch Chelsea could afford him, this is just delaying the inevitable as he knows and we all know he is leaving bad energy to have him in the squad .

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1.) 25 Jun 2022 04:24:05
No one is knocking door for Salah mate which makes it very difficult.

Lets hope some desperate team can offer him huge chunks of their money which might change tho.

{Ed0666's Note I’ve had a change of heart - I honestly think it’s time to sell. He’s clearly asking more than the club want to pay him which is his prerogative but if we’re not gonna give him what he wants let’s not loose out on a decent amount of money and if it’s means sacrificing a season then so be it. FSG are not gonna break a wage structure and for good reason and that’s their prerogative also. If Madrid want him then so be it. Let the love story end a year early, break ups happen. We just gotta stop with the bottom lip tremble wipe our eyes and find another sweetheart. Torres left, Suarez left, Sterling left we got over them. We’ll do the same again. No one is bigger than Liverpool Football Club.


2.) 25 Jun 2022 05:07:16
Yeah £50+m would bite there hand off we still did ok last 6 months of last season without much contributing from Mo. Get the lad from Leeds even with a Barcelona clause as long as we get a profit on him who cares short term fix with a profit.


3.) 25 Jun 2022 05:12:56
It’s not going to happen. He’ll be here next season. I wouldn’t be 100% surprised to see him, at some point next season, do an ‘about face’ and sign an extension.


4.) 25 Jun 2022 06:55:51
Considering his has just 3-4 years left in his career, being the Star player and not being the highest earner at Liverpool he is right to seek higher wages somewhere else. What they say a bird in hand is better than 2 in bush.

TBH, he beat De Bruyne for PFA player of the year on half the wages. Also when he sees Sterling/ Grelish/ Werner/ Lukaku earn more than him and not perform anywhere near to his level he is right to seek more or turn his.

Isn't it what every employee does?

Sure Liverpool FC won't break the wage structure. I wouldn't want to stand in his way if any club offered decent amount for him.

The pressure should be on scouting team to identify a replacement in this window itself who can slot in seamlessly.

I bet if Man City or Chelsea comes and offer Liverpool 50+ mil for him and huge salary.


5.) 25 Jun 2022 08:41:07
This is a good post. Liverpool are actually very open to selling salah, they also have a replacement line up which would surprise many of us.
Only problem his agent can't find him a club. His agent p. ed off someone very high up in the club and then Liverpool had decided to part ways. It was because of klopps insistence we offered him a new contract with 15percent hike and great add ons in bonus clauses. But now that he won't accept a good offer made to him we are very open to sell. Problem again is like last season his agent can't find him a club.


6.) 25 Jun 2022 08:42:41
I know we say Salah didn’t do much in the last few months but every time he played he still had 2-3 defenders around him which made lots of space for others. And Bobby has made a career at Liverpool supposedly making space.

Without Salah playing then the other forwards I predict will find it harder.


7.) 25 Jun 2022 08:47:41
Even if he wasnt on the same level he was still marked by 2-3 players which opened up space for Luis and Mane. Happy New year.


8.) 25 Jun 2022 09:31:16
I agree i think if all of our current employers offered us a 50% pay rise but another company were willing to pay us double for the same job then I’m not sure many of us would turn the bigger offer down.


9.) 25 Jun 2022 10:32:57
I think If a suitable offer is made he should be sold. I REALLY want him to stay, but it doesn’t seem he wants to beyond this season, so next season we could find ourselves seeking a salah replacement and potentially a midfielder with no income from transfers.


10.) 25 Jun 2022 11:10:56
Possibly Real, PSG and maybe Juve are the only ones I can see buying him.


11.) 25 Jun 2022 04:43:48
Ed0666.Sterling.

{Ed0666's Note - I loved Sterling mate. He was a really good player for us and I was sad to see him go but we got Sadio so there was that.


12.) 25 Jun 2022 04:52:16
I agree ed, better to start the season without this distraction.

He’s a fantastic player and I wish he could stay, but quite clearly we’re at a stalemate.

I say, let’s rip off the plaster, get it over with and look to the future. It’s looking bright!

{Ed0666's Note - 100% agree mate.


13.) 25 Jun 2022 09:16:02
Totally agree ed. he wants out and we might as well try and push him into going now. Massive loss but that's what the scouting team are for. Who's it to be? Raphina, bowen, dembele, saka, or?

{Ed0666's Note - raphinha for 50-60 mill seems right to me. Talented, prem proven and tonnes of Portuguese speakers at the club to help assimilate. Or Diaby i like also.


14.) 25 Jun 2022 09:22:49
Actually starting to feel the same way Ed. Absolutely love Mo the player, but this is all beginning to turn into a bit of a soap opera now.
If he stays for another season the whole year will be taken up with the clickbait distraction of him running down his contract/ who he’ll leave for on a free.
Would be sad to see him go. Such a special player but that’s football. At least if he went now, the club would get a semi-decent fee.
Sometimes these decisions have to be made.

{Ed0666's Note - you’ve hit the nail on the head mate it’s a soap opera and we’re turning into Manchester United if he doesn't sign get rid.


15.) 25 Jun 2022 13:25:08
We've had this soap opera before with Gerrard. All it does is cause a distraction. Rodgers should have got rid of Gerrard as soon as he stated he was gone and Klopp should set Mo a deadline, sign by the 31st of July or go. Exceptional player but nobody is bigger than the club. Better players than him have left and we're still here.


 

 

08 Jun 2022 21:26:57
I hope the old links with viera of Porto resurface, he looks quality and has the ability to cover thiago and push for a starting place .

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1.) 08 Jun 2022 21:43:01
They must love Vieira in Porto. I did a stadium tour of the Estadio do Dragao last month and the amount of shirts they had ready printed with his name in the club shop was mad for a 21 year old!

They also have a room with 11 statues in the museum. The statues make up their greatest XI of all time as voted by the fans. Carvalho, Deco etc. I had a minor flash back panic attack when i saw Hulk's statue on the right wing. He is surely up there with Simao and Turan as Rumours-legends in terms of the traffic they've generated down the years.


 

 

31 May 2022 01:10:09
I haven't seen us linked with Noah lang what an absolute baller, can play all across the front line and deeper if necessary, destined for great things that kid .

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{Ed001's Note - doesn't track back though according to Bielsa, which is why he turned down the chance to sign him for Leeds.}


1.) 31 May 2022 04:50:13
He attracted some bad publicity on social media 18 moths or so back for his (alleged) personal beliefs. I believe the common opinion, which as we all know has never been young or foolish or, God forbid, forgiving, decided he wasn’t right for us.


2.) 31 May 2022 07:45:42
He was making anti semitic remarks and joining in with anti semitic chants and instead of apologising and trying to make good or seeing how harmful, he doubled down on it and repeated them. There’s being young and foolish and there’s being an outright Berkshire Hunt. He was the latter.


3.) 31 May 2022 08:46:45
We don't want any merchant bankers in this squad.


4.) 31 May 2022 08:55:27
@VVVV, If you say so, I read that on social media too.


5.) 31 May 2022 09:22:53
I've read from someone who works with De Ketelaere (and Lang) that Liverpool made contact with his agent. I read it on red. dit, make of it what you want.


6.) 31 May 2022 10:27:49
Just as a footnote to the. Alleged anti-Semetism, he was never charged with anything by anybody - despite there being an investigation by the Belgian football authorities and by the Police I believe, but by the time the investigations were complete social media had moved on and, of course, there is never any retraction.

I don’t know if he is anti-Semitic or not but one of my sons, who likes his footie, lives in Antwerp and thinks he is a good footballer having seen quite a bit of him actually playing.


7.) 31 May 2022 11:46:34
Thanks for the info guys I didn't know about his behaviour an beliefs .


 

 

25 May 2022 23:48:38
Mane is playing his best football as a striker at present so if he is to leave we need to buy a proper striker and seeing as origi is leaving a natural number 9 would be welcome .
I think we should go for darwin nunez same kind of attributes as origi but lethal, goal hungry and can play in wide attacking positions. I hope the interest I read from us is genuine .

hailstones

1.) 26 May 2022 00:39:36
Can’t see us getting nunez tbh with Madrid sniffing around him at the same time. it will almost definitely come down to who offers him more wages.


2.) 26 May 2022 10:21:18
I think if Mane leaves, but Salah stays I can see us going for Jarrod Bowen, which I’d be very happy with to be honest as he’s a very very good footballer and seems to keep getting better year on year.


3.) 26 May 2022 11:24:44
Apart from the fact that because Bowen is English and has just been included in the England squad he will cost a packet.
We could buy two Klopp style gems for the price of one Bowen.


4.) 26 May 2022 13:18:36
On the flip side Bowen's wages will not be like some foreign player wages. Certainly lesser than a Gnabry or Dembele.


5.) 26 May 2022 13:18:36
On the flip side Bowen's wages will not be like some foreign player wages. Certainly lesser than a Gnabry or Dembele.


 

 

07 May 2022 23:33:29
Can't help but notice since Afcon mo has lost his deadly instincts and world class form . He was on absolute smoke before he left now looks to have dropped a few levels. Could even be his mind might be set on a move in the summer either way we love him but he ain't firing on all cylinders.

hailstones

1.) 08 May 2022 00:45:06
Think teams set up to limit salah and in turn allows diaz the space maybe.

Just seems them half chances that he would score dried up a little, still hugely important, but just something missing.
Add that maybe due to his contract situation and the press/ agent/ club, everyone is looking more.

If rumours are true and not vindiacting they are when you want huge money and rumours say you do, then games like today and finals etc you need to perform or pressure builds.

Alot to put on him and not his fault but me personally I feel if you want 400k then you need to turn up and win a game like today.

Completely the wrong attitude and he has done this previous but now in the limelight it makes me think he should single handily win games, which is stupid but It's how this works these days.

Press media and agents, expectations is how modern day football is, if you want more than anyone else then you should do more.

Again poor attitude from a fan, and could be way off the mark.


2.) 08 May 2022 01:45:26
I get were you are coming from obviously and deservedly he shot himself up too best player in the world standards and wants a contract too mirror the standards set but I agree the big players win games single handedly or perform to that level and do it consistently. Ed 02 has said for a long time salahs agent has been laughed out of town by major clubs with his demands practically as soon as he arrived he has been hawked around pastures new .


 

 

 

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01 Jun 2022 22:38:15
Ed0666 we have to move on from salah and mane at some point and i don't want players at the club who want to leave or feel they need a change. We are in a full on battle with man city who are hitting 90+ points every season and we need everyone on board pulling in the same direction .

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01 Jun 2022 23:26:43
I actually want him to stay but fsg aren't budging and he isn't bending so we keeping our star player for a season knowing he is off but wants to stay in prem, my immediate reaction is let's listen to offers and send a message that we are not a club who relys on individuals.

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30 May 2022 20:31:55
Cost a lot to buy vvd after just signing new contract, any player that wants to leave fxck off and don't let the door smack you on the way out .

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29 May 2022 22:01:09
There is no way on earth we will sign kane completely forget about it . Nunez would be great but our scouting department surely will do us proud .

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27 May 2022 23:48:26
Darwin nunez please! proper striker is necessary with him he can drift out wide pace, heading ability, strength brilliant option.

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25 Jun 2022 14:30:12
Jk, its like having a girlfriend who you know is guaranteed to leave you in 12 months and she wants to leave and it could be to someone u hate hahaha, unless someone from abroad wants to sell him which would be ideal, as liverpool fc I would call his bluff be smart get a buyer and reinvest, I would rather have someone here who is invested long term than have someone for 12 months who is offski.

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25 Jun 2022 11:06:01
Sell him jk23 the club is bigger than the name on the shirt, our system catered for salah, we will cater for someone else . We have to move on from salah an mane, fergie evolved his teams in there golden era and so should we. Salah came into the team having scored 15 goals 11 assists in serie A, no reason we can't integrate someone else .

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31 May 2022 11:46:34
Thanks for the info guys I didn't know about his behaviour an beliefs .

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29 May 2022 17:19:59
Nkunku please.

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29 May 2022 00:03:54
It has shown we need better quality still in certain areas, trent and robbo need to be rotated more the amount of football has shown on them in the last stretch of the season .
We haven't scored a goal in any finals this season which shows we are lacking cutting edge up front and penetration in midfield.

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