03 Nov 2025 14:30:19
No coincidence our midfield looked drastically improved in terms of having some fight and actual solidity as soon as Wirtz was taken out of the team.
A lot of rose tints when he is spoken about on here, I understand everyone is desperate for him to show his BL form, but this rhetoric of just waiting for it to 'click' for him is ludicrous. How long do we wait? Do we just let every competition slip by as we wait for this mythical 'click? '
I've heard him being described as 'generational' on here which is absolutely laughable. He has never shown anything to be described as anything close to that. The two recent generational talents we have seen are Messi and Ronaldo and neither of them had this kind of transition period or were ever detrimental to their teams, which Wirtz is for us.
He's just not built for the PL. My opinion is he never will be, if we had spent the money on Cunha and Mbuemo, we would be absolutely running away with the league.
If we are going to have any success this season, he needs to be far away from the starting lineup. He should have been a part of the carabao team and I think this is where he will remain, cups and last 15 mins when we are comfortably winning.
For the 15 minutes he was on against Villa, aside from losing the ball 5 times, Villa instantly looked more dangerous as soon as he came on.
03 Nov 2025 14:42:40
Bob le Pong - writing a world class player off after a few game is pure Wool behaviour lad.
Wirtz will find his place in the team, hopefully as the new Bobby F.
03 Nov 2025 14:57:12
Could have sworn we just lost a game where Wirtz didn't start either. Complete joke to write off a player after 7 weeks, actually beyond a joke!
03 Nov 2025 15:09:25
Bob - you clearly don't remember Ronaldo being castigated by his own team mates for showboating when he first came into the team at Utd.
03 Nov 2025 15:12:32
Just on that Johnny. Could they try him in Bobby role? With salah and Palindrome either side?
Wirtz loading the bullets for the 2 boys?
03 Nov 2025 15:15:57
Cunha and Mbuemo are completely different types of players compared to Wirtz though. Mbuemo is a winger and Cunha is more of a cf. Wirtz is an attacking midfielder. Besides, having either of those two would not stop us playing with a gaping hole in midfield the past couple of games. So I doubt we'd "running away with the the league" if we had bought those two instead of Wirtz, unless they can somehow transform to be a solid DM and plug the hole in our midfield by themselves.
The only reason we won against AV was because Slot reverted back to what worked for us last season. I'd wager that if Wirtz had played instead of Macca and Szob had played next to Grav, we'd look even better. If you're given a diamond but no tools to work with it, do you chuck the diamond or find the proper tools? Wirtz is a diamond so we should set the team up to make the best use of him.
And also, you've been attacking Wirtz since before he even kicked a ball for us. So while you are entitled to your opinion and I completely respect that, it doesn't mean that your opinion isn't biased and one-sided.
03 Nov 2025 15:16:48
Grow up Bob. Wirtz is not and never was the problem. He is a generational talent and the team should be built around him rather than trying him in 5 different positions. Even if he takes 12 months to properly find his feet like Gravenberch did it will be well worth it.
03 Nov 2025 15:25:28
At this point, might as well try him at LW because I don't see where else he functions. The centre of the pitch is too congested for him, and he gets easily knocked off the ball, or panics and simply passes it to the safest option. Maybe out on the wing, where he has more space to operate, he'll be able to work on and develop his game.
Got to be honest, been really disappointed in him since he arrived. His physical limitations are staggering, I've never seen such an expensive signing look so ill suited to the physical battles that are common place in the Prem. Not only is he weak, but he also shies away from contact, no doubt for fear of injury. He has technical ability, no doubt about that, but the German league provided him space, which is a far departure from the Prem, where teams sit and physically look to outmatch you, in absence of technical ability.
He'll still get time, the price tag warrants that, but more should be expected on a signing that cost us 100+ million.
03 Nov 2025 15:26:50
Zola and Silva are on the small side, so imagine it’s getting up to speed for him (Wirtz) in the PL.
Have faith, imo.
03 Nov 2025 15:39:40
Bob le Ponge i think it is way too early to write him off. It will take him a bit of time to adapt but to be fair to the lad Slot changed a lot, so it is not like he has arrived to an inform team playing a recognised system.
There are countless examples of players not looking up to PL standard and then proving to be brilliant….
Fabinho and Robertson are both great examples of that (and Firmino come to think of it) . I think Wirtz will be brilliant once settled, but we do need to play to his strengths.
03 Nov 2025 15:41:33
He also didn't start the Chelsea or Manchester United games but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda.
03 Nov 2025 15:43:30
You are a really tiresome troll, how many posts are you going to start trashing wirtz?
03 Nov 2025 15:44:14
On a human level alone there’s a million potential reasons for a bumpy start to his new life. Moving abroad for the first time as a 22 year old can impact people very differently. Then you have to take into account the pressure of the price tag and the size of the club.
Plus he joins a team that’s clearly uncertain in their identity and having issues that goes well beyond him individually.
03 Nov 2025 15:45:23
Molby, don't forget place needs to be found for Isak. What a brilliant problem to have.
03 Nov 2025 16:37:31
The line "Correlation is not causation" comes to mind here. Another case of just smearing another player based on half-baked judgements and lazy narratives based on inconsistent facts, all agenda driven and blatant scapegoating. Absolutely bored with this crap at the minute.
03 Nov 2025 18:01:53
Many great players take a year to settle in. Look at Dom, he is getting better and better. Bobby too a while to warm up and was truly one of the greatest.
Slot needs to adjust the vision he had for him and allow him to bed in - he can lean a lot from how he's gone about the intro of Wirtz.
03 Nov 2025 18:17:39
Bob le ponge you must be a Man U fan?
03 Nov 2025 18:18:15
A question i have is . if a poster doesn't like a player/ manager or goes against the narrative. does that make him a troll . seen this a few times when posters don't seem to follow what most say.