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03 Feb 2025 20:26:48
A lot of talk going around that Ben Doak might have done his ACL, and will be out for the season. I really hope that is not the case as he was really starting to be a force at Middlesbrough, and, if the injury being reported is real, then he will have to start all over again.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 03 Feb 2025 21:26:48
Looks like it as Boro are signing wingers today. Fingers crossed it’s not such a bad injury.


2.) 03 Feb 2025 21:46:41
I can’t see anything about it online anywhere just comes up with we will not listen to any offers.


3.) 03 Feb 2025 23:16:49
Theres Boro fans saying 6 weeks on twitter.


4.) 03 Feb 2025 23:38:42
Apparently it's a thigh injury and Doak will be out for a couple of weeks. Thankfully, it isn't an ACL.


5.) 03 Feb 2025 23:41:19
Northern Echo and Teeside Live are reporting it now

Asked about the 19-year-old’s absence, Carrick said: “He just felt his thigh during the week in training. We'll see how it is. It won't be a few days, it will be longer. Probably weeks, not ages but yeah, it won't be days.


6.) 04 Feb 2025 07:22:34
“He turned me into a newt ………. but I got better” Monty Python.


7.) 04 Feb 2025 07:38:04
You might have become my favourite person, WDW, after that Monty Python reference.

I didn't know people still watched it.


8.) 04 Feb 2025 10:31:51
Doak will be fit and well enough in time for the run in, and then can be flogged to Palace for 25m so Richard can keep the books looking nice for The botox king.


9.) 04 Feb 2025 12:07:06
Vango, is everything okay?

You seem weird. Has something happened? Liverpool are in every cup, top of every league, have the best squad in the league - but you seem obsessed with creating character flaws for people you’ll never meet.

Have you tried being different?


10.) 04 Feb 2025 12:40:38
Why0why Its changed to a parody account to mirror the deluge of negativity about the lack of transfers elsewhere on the interweb.


11.) 04 Feb 2025 13:02:14
Why0why, stop speaking utter sh*te mate - he's said what he wanted to say, leave it at that.

Many people are against Hughes and have a reason to be, just because you're up his backside doesn't mean everybody else has to be.

It's not Hughes that's got us to the top of everything by the way and it sure as hell won't be down to him to keep us there. Wake up and appreciate other peoples views instead of having the patronizing superiority attitude.


12.) 04 Feb 2025 13:48:47
Why are many people against Hughes, Salah?
I get that it's not down to him that we are competing on all four fronts and that it will be down to him when we run out of gas but why is that?
I'm not trying to change your mind- or anyone's mind- I'm just asking why you are against someone that you know very little about?


13.) 04 Feb 2025 15:23:21
Rigsby, mate you're like a broken record, we've been here tons of times before and I aren't saying the same thing over and over again to somebody who needs it spelling out as often as you do, it gets too boring mate. You know my reasons full well, ask everybody else theirs and I'm sure theirs will be similar or the same. It's not hard to understand mate lol.


14.) 04 Feb 2025 16:33:45
Salah - you don’t have a tangible reason to be. You have limited information which you’ve cobbled together to form a view point to support a pre-existing agenda.

To you, football is Top Trumps. You want loads of signings because they make you all excited. However there is a reality - that reality is once you’ve assembled a squad you don’t keep buying players. Our squad is top of everything. Therefore we don’t have a need to buy.

Regarding the contracts. You have no idea what stage we are at, how much has been offered, how much has been demanded and what the gap is. But, you know the club, an exceptionally well run club, has done something wrong.


15.) 04 Feb 2025 17:10:32
Why, I don't want to keep buying players nor do I want us to spend too much, what I do want is us to protect our team by upgrading as and when needed along with bringing in relevant cover when we're in clear need of it. Something we haven't done since Hughes was brought in, or am I wrong? the summer he did nothing and January he did nothing. You have to be open to how other people see this as a negative. Just because we are top of everything? it means absolutely nothing, you're not seeing the bigger picture.

Let's see how the summer goes when it's looking like we'll need 7-8 players added. Do you think Hughes is capable when in two transfer windows he can't add one quality player? if he does it then I'll quite happily post that I was wrong will you when he does next to nothing - again?

Who said anything about the contracts? that's not on Hughes it's on Ward.


16.) 04 Feb 2025 17:32:26
Salah, mate, but you've never said why. You keep repeating that you, like many others, are against him.
Do you say that in the hope that someone else will explain why you are against him?
I suspect it's because you read some of the Ed's comments about him and you just run with that.
The facts are though, that we are top of the League, still in all other competitions and you have a very limited knowledge about what Hughes is doing.
Oh, and you claim City 'smashed it' in the last transfer window.
Why not wait until Hughes fails and City's new signings do actually smash it before making these claims?
You know, use some facts and proper evidence?


17.) 04 Feb 2025 18:00:05
Well yes, you’re factually wrong.
We signed two players.

So yes, you’re wrong.

But the point that matters is how we do on the pitch. I imagine this summer three to four players leaving (not including Rhys Williams etc) but players that regularly play. At that point I’d be annoyed if we didn’t replace them. Right now you’re conflating buying players with ambition or good club management.

Here’s why teams make signings:

Players leave
Players get long term injury
Players get too old
You signed the wrong player and need to correct it


That’s it. We don’t have a not currently have anything that fits this. We have two players at least in every position.
We play a core of 17 players (these play most CL and PL matches) these are supported by solid back up (like Endo) and exciting youth. That’s an ideal squad. The notion of 30 man squads with a world class player as back up is what happens on computer games. Not in reality.

Managers line lean hungry squads with actual competition. That’s what we have that’s why we’ve been knocked out of zero cups and too every league.


18.) 04 Feb 2025 18:04:43
Salah, mate, you don't protect the team by upgrading. If you sign upgrades on players then you replace them with the upgrades. How is that protecting them?
Again, you say it's clear we need upgrades and cover. That's your opinion but it's clear to me that the current squad is doing very well and you want to change that.

What are you basing us needing 7 or 8 players in the summer on? Do you think Hughes is going to act on what you think? And how do you know that he is incapable of bringing in 7 or 8 players if that's what we need?
You don't.
And last summer, Hughes was largely responsible for the signing of the season when be brought in Slot.
That's just my opinion and I could be wrong but I'm willing to change my mind if the evidence starts to stack up against Slot and Hughes.


19.) 04 Feb 2025 18:19:22
7 or 8 players a bit over the top now.


20.) 04 Feb 2025 23:08:08
I'm glad people are finally starting to learn Hughes doesn't do contracts.

I think everyone can agree that in the summer we could with a new left back and possibly replacements for outgoings players but this really isn't a major surgery situation. These players are very likely to win us a premier league, perhaps even a double. What kind of message does it send if we suddenly ditch some of them after a successful season in favour of new players who have won nothing?

{Ed001's Note - the message would be that the club is looking to move forward, not sit on its laurels like City have done and that underperformance will result in replacement.}


21.) 05 Feb 2025 00:49:19
But City have just signed three or four players and six PL titles out of eight is hardly sitting on its laurels.
Maybe that's why we are reluctant to give the three players 'what they want', as well. Two of them have had their best years and we might be looking to the future. TAA might have his head turned, has said he's won it all with us and we could be looking for someone younger and hungrier.
Who knows. Van Dijk and Salah could easily look like de Bruyne in a season or two.

{Ed001's Note - they sat on their laurels in the summer, even you are not this dense as to miss the meaning.}


22.) 05 Feb 2025 00:52:19
7-8 players is not over the top Florian. A LB incoming is inevitable as is another CB and midfielder - 3. Our three lads, if they don't sign a new contract we're looking at another 3. Then we have to think about the club looking at a striker, make it 7 players so far? and while we're at it what about Diaz? who clearly wants out of Liverpool and has done for some time. That's 8 players, will we get 8? who knows and it all goes on the contract situation, it's all if's and buts but worse case scenario the summer will be a very busy one. Let's revisit this conversation after the summer window closes.


23.) 05 Feb 2025 03:38:10
In my opinion, this summer would be make or break for Hughes. The past twontransfer windows have been disappointing but I can see why there was little movement for either.

Last summer, Slot and his coaching team had just come in so they would need time to assess the squad and see which players can suit they system and who can't. We did add in an RW, an area we were short in, with the signing of Chiesa and we did go for a CM in Zubimendi which ultimately didn't happen. Personally, I would have liked a CB or LB as well but we don't know what discussions went on behind the scenes that led to us not signing one. We also did sign a GK and although I still fail to see the point it that signing currently.

For the Winter window, I really didn't see any players who were available that would have improved us. Hato was the only one linked to us that I would have liked us to sign since he fills an area that I feel we have a need in but other than him, I can't think of anyone else. The transfers that happened overall were mostly either panic buys (like all of City signings) or players who needed a new environment (like Ferguson, Asensio, Rashford, etc) .

This summer would require a lot of work. We definitely need an LB, unless Slot feels that either Chambers or Beck can fill that role, and a CM to either play alongside or in place of Grav. Attackers also seems like an area that we are looking at. So that's alrdy 3 players that we'd need to bring in and that's not counting the three whose contract is still not settled.


24.) 05 Feb 2025 07:20:50
I'll ignore your dig, Ed001, because I remember what you said about the atmosphere they create on here.
I agree that City did sit on their laurels in the summer by only bringing in two players. I'm saying that with the benefit of hindsight and Rodri being out for the season though. I would say that de Bruyne was on the decline last season and maybe they should have looked at replacing him but how do you replace a player like him?
I didn't miss your point but I didn't realise you were talking about City in one transfer window.
Sorry about that.
Maybe the charges had a bearing on that in the summer and now they are more confident about them and looking at shifting some players so that they can freshen up their squad.
It certainly looks like that with Haaland's contract and the January transfer window.


25.) 05 Feb 2025 08:46:32
For me salah as it stands we need someone who can cover left and centreback, a midfielder and a forward. No point saying"if"the 3 boys leave, as it stands now them three signings would complete our squad.


26.) 05 Feb 2025 14:44:33
Florian, why?

What about our teams current performances have allowed you to arrive at that conclusion?

Is it that you like that or that we need that? They are very different. I suspect you’d like that because signings are the bit about football you love.


27.) 05 Feb 2025 16:28:56
Why, so I'm getting from you that we don't need any signings, now or in the summer? Because of how well we're currently doing?

As for wanting signings, there’s a clear difference between needing new players and simply wanting them. It’s not about satisfying a transfer obsession; it’s about acknowledging the gaps that exist within the current team. If you’re in denial about the need for reinforcements, you're only setting us up for failure in the long run. Sure, it's easy to be attached to the current squad, but it’s a dangerous stance to take if we want to evolve and compete at a higher level consistently.

Simply put, If you’re suggesting we don't need signings, you’re ignoring the reality of the squad’s limitations. This isn’t about “liking” signings - it's about facing facts. Teams do sign players you know? Incase you didn't realise that.

Being top of the league doesn’t mean we’re immune to the glaring holes in the squad. Yes, we might be playing well right now, but let's not kid ourselves this isn’t a sustainable long-term strategy if we don’t improve. You can’t just rely on form forever. What happens when injuries hit or the current players start to tire out? We’ve seen it before, one bad stretch of games and we’re scrambling to make up for it. The reason we didn't sign anyone in the last windows was because Hughes dropped the ball, he’s been clueless with transfers, leaving us exposed. Now we’re being left with a squad that’s thin in key areas, and eventually, that will catch up with us.

We should've made moves last summer and January to build depth, not just rely on being “top of the league” to mask the fact that we’re one or two injuries away from chaos. Other teams are strengthening, and if we don’t follow suit, we’ll get left behind. Playing well now is great, but it’s not a guarantee of continued success and not acting now to sign quality players will only hurt us in the long run. Don’t mistake temporary success for long-term stability.


28.) 05 Feb 2025 17:32:38
So when I previously said, on this very conversation, that we don’t need players now but will in summer, I’m assuming that didn’t land, right?

Did you miss that?


29.) 05 Feb 2025 17:57:26
Going on your previous responses, why it is evident that you are focused solely on the present. This reinforces my point. I will leave it at that. Next time, ensure you have a solid basis before making unfounded statements. Gobsh*te comes to mind.


30.) 05 Feb 2025 18:36:05
Who has ever said that we don't need signings next summer or after that?
Is it something made up by fans that are don't like having their outrage at no new signings questioned?
And it seems that the fans going on about digs being thrown are very quick to throw digs themselves.

So, come on, are there any quotes or any evidence that fans have said we don't need future signings because we are top of the League, currently?


31.) 05 Feb 2025 19:00:43
Why0why don't be playing the resident shrink with me. for people that'd be on here years they would know i'd actually rather the Academy guys get a chance over new signings a lot of the time. But im also realist that realises you also have to keep improving the squad to compete. Now if you don't think we can improve at LB and CF or that it'd be nice to give the likes of Gravenberch the odd rest next season that's your perogative but stop short of givin me your best sigmund frued impression. impression.


32.) 06 Feb 2025 17:15:02
Florian.
You don’t “have to keep improving the squad” when the squad is spot on. You’re again confusing signings with a guaranteed positive. If it was Chelsea and United would compete every year in the Champions League final and win the Premier League.

You also seem not to understand the law of diminishing returns.
You also don’t value loyalty.
You seem to think Slot, Klopp, Pep, Jose, Carlo etc. are wrong about the ideal scenario being to operate a lean squad.

Teams get better when they play together a lot and know each other well, good teams aren’t “telepathic” they are familiar with each other.

Right now we have the worlds best keeper and the worlds best back up keeper - we also have the big Georgian lad. No deals needed.
Right back, we have Trent (who the biggest team on the planet want) and the most promising right back in the world as his deputy. If Trent leaves we will need a right back.
Centre back. We have the two best in the world. We have superb back up in Quansah and Gomez.
Left back, right now Robbo and Tsimi are doing just fine. In summer one may move on and we may need to buy or see how Beck does.
Six - we have the best six in the world, we have Japans captain as his cover and the excellent McConnell, we also have a returning Bajcetic in summer. If Endo, McConnell, Morton and Bajcetic leave - we’d need cover. As is, we are good.
The eights, Mac, Dom, Jones, Elliott and Nyoni. We are good right now, maybe Elliott isn’t a Slot style player, if he went and we got Kulisevski that’d be a positive. Right now, we are golden.
Forwards, Diaz, Gakpo, Salah are amazing. Jota and Chiesa are top back up, would be great if they could remain fit. Nunez is amazing sixth choice but if he goes or him and another leave we would need to buy a replacement. Right now, we good. Doak may come back, Rio is a bit too young. No emergency signing needed now, a summer reshuffle may happen.

Does that make the position we are in now clear? Where we may be in summer? My position on why we aren’t desperate or indeed in need now?


 

 

02 Feb 2025 22:16:38
Stefanos Tsimaz has just joined Brighton, for £20 million. I know we were heavily linked, with Macca being the first to mention him, but I guess we didn't feel it necessary or a priority. Seems a decent player, and Brighton tend to get it right with recruitment, so will be interested to see how he gets on.

Will be interesting to see how we operate from now till the end of the season. Arsenal look ready for a big push till the end, and I suspect the points difference will be tight, yet again. Makes for great viewing for the neutral, but my god is it nerve wracking.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 03 Feb 2025 04:46:22
Keep calm and keep doing what we’re doing. Arsenal can have their ‘big push’, City might rediscover some form, Forest may go on an unbeaten run. Its all irrelevant if we continue our form. We have momentum, form and an excellent almost-fully fit squad. We can only defeat ourselves at this point.


2.) 03 Feb 2025 06:08:48
Maybe we are getting Joao Pedro who Tsimaz is replacing.


3.) 03 Feb 2025 08:38:24
City and Forest can’t possibly win the league. Arsenal seem to have easier fixtures and might be able to get to 88 points if they really step up.


4.) 03 Feb 2025 09:16:37
If it happens Tsimaz is coming in to replace Ferguson who is going to West Ham.


5.) 03 Feb 2025 09:19:42
After yesterday I think Arsenal will run us right to the end. Was hoping they would fade away but I have my eye on that game we have against them as crucial as I think we will drop more points than them over the next 7/ 8 games.


6.) 03 Feb 2025 09:21:53
Forest are 3 points behind Arsenal, Markp08. Are you suggesting that we should book the victory parade if Arteta’s lot lose another game?


7.) 03 Feb 2025 09:50:26
Bloom's StarLizard doesn't seem to miss. Will be interesting to see how the kid does.


8.) 03 Feb 2025 10:24:47
Ah sure. he was only a 2nd division german player, not nearly good enough for us. Wait till ye see the same people who said he was crap demand we buy him next summer?.


9.) 03 Feb 2025 11:06:32
With players like this we have to admit they may become world class but in most cases they are not good enough to get the game time at Liverpool that they need to develop into those quality players and that is why the clubs like Brighton can sign these players "on the cheap".

They can give them the game time, develop them into quality players and sell them for a huge profit. That is why the multi club setup is such a good system. If FSG owned a club that can sign these players, give them the game time and develop them before moving them on to Liverpool (or in some cases signing them and loaning them out to a sister club with guaranteed game time) it is a much better approach.


10.) 03 Feb 2025 12:09:14
I cannot believe people are still referencing Pedro as a Liverpool level player. He’s a 9 who can’t lead the line, doesn’t track back, throws his hands up in frustration at his teammates and has very suspect temperament.

I know people love a signing but we are Liverpool, we are significantly better than Pedro.


11.) 03 Feb 2025 12:44:11
I'd rather spend any money on 3. Ew contracts than on new players. Happy for this to be a quiet one (again)


12.) 03 Feb 2025 13:44:50
Your FSG's dream fan Brommer.


13.) 03 Feb 2025 14:06:32
Yes Florian, someone who supports the team. That’s what being a Liverpool fan is about.


14.) 03 Feb 2025 14:31:40
We all want to sign these players before they're worth huge money but how do you strike that balance of giving them enough game time to develop to that level whilst also staying competitive? Brighton do the first part well but they're always mid table. Maybe that's where the multi club model is useful.


15.) 03 Feb 2025 14:46:40
I think one of the Eds mentioned that Brighton are able to sign these players because they are seen as a stepping stone club by players. It's a win-win to me. Brighton can remain competitive and maybe qualify for Europe for the odd season and these players can then go on to play for bigger clubs. If this continues and they can qualify for Europe regularly, they'd be seen as a destination club by a few and maybe these players would stay longer. It's slow progress but it's still progress nonetheless.


16.) 03 Feb 2025 16:30:08
Yep I reckon so DE, if Arsenal drop 3 points before we play them it’s done imo. They have a very favourable run though.


17.) 04 Feb 2025 07:26:48
@Why You say Pedro has scored 9 - how many has Darwin scored?


18.) 04 Feb 2025 12:11:19
Less. He’s also played less games and is our fifth choice forward. What you’ve done is conflated Darwin having a poor season with Pedro scoring 9 goals.
Darwin has a better g/ a than Bobby, but that doesn’t matter right?

But the issue is we’d be buying a player who doesn’t fit our style, has a suspect temperament, would cost well over £60m and doesn’t move the needle. I suspect you’d like to sign him because when we do he can be someone else you moan about. All this advocacy for him will be forgotten and you can climb on your hobby horse and have a good old public cry.


 

 

14 Jan 2025 12:10:08
So, if word is to be believed, Barry Hunter is in Germany, negotiating the deal to bring Stefanos Tzimas to Liverpool from Nurnberg. Michael Edwards is leading negotiations with Al Hilal for the sale of Darwin Nunez.

So, what is Richard Hughes job exactly? I'm getting more and more confused lol.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 14 Jan 2025 12:32:19
Nunez is far too good for the Saudi league.


2.) 14 Jan 2025 12:34:59
You heard things reported and believed them.

Let me ask, what is more likely: one of the best run clubs on the planet have hired someone who doesn’t do anything?

OR

You don’t understand what he does because the day to day activities of the senior people at Liverpool aren’t actually reported on Twitter?


3.) 14 Jan 2025 12:40:19
Either Hughes is cooking something big (Nunez replacement) / DM or his job is in danger. Assuming the above is true that is.


4.) 14 Jan 2025 12:52:12
Hughes is window shopping at Harrods before heading off to Aldi to buy the weekly shop.


5.) 14 Jan 2025 13:03:02
Richard is busy refreshing his brogue and blazer collection in the January sales today. Apparently he's available on his mobile if something important comes up.


6.) 14 Jan 2025 13:05:25
For all the commenting on Trent Salah and VVD wages at least they contribute. Paying wages to Hughes has been the biggest waste of money I’ve seen in a long time.


7.) 14 Jan 2025 13:06:16
Apparently Hughes is on two weeks holiday, no joke. Most large organisations place a moratorium on leave during strategically critical periods, which the January window clearly is. If it’s true then it certainly blows more holes in that idea that we’re a well run club.


8.) 14 Jan 2025 13:12:42
One of the best run clubs on the planet, that’s got to be the best joke ever on here.


9.) 14 Jan 2025 13:14:19
Yep, we have the best squad in the league and are managed by imbeciles apparently.

Amazing how such imbeciles get it so right. Pure dumb luck.

Defo not the transfer obsessed fans making stuff up to suit their preconceptions.

Fairly certain at least one poster on here believes the world is flat.


10.) 14 Jan 2025 13:27:05
Hughes is on holiday. In Munich. Negotiating a deal to sign Kimmich, and finally push Victor over the edge.


11.) 14 Jan 2025 13:30:19
Thank god we sent Big Baz over. I'll be beside myself if we miss out on a striker from the German 2nd division. Hopefully we're watching a few pub teams to find alternatives just in case.


12.) 14 Jan 2025 13:34:29
I seem to remember Barry Hunter being involved directly in past negotiations when Klopp and the German interim were around, so that in itself wouldn’t be a problem or issue as the Greek youngster is just that. He’s a young buy for the future, it’s probably just been delegated.

It was said somewhere Michael Edwards is the person on major contracts for the big three, not Richard Hughes. Maybe he does major sales and buys as well.

That would presumably leave Richard doing mid market transactions, I can’t believe for a minute he’s on holiday. Surely that’s a wind up.


13.) 14 Jan 2025 13:35:15
Better bring back the guy who recruited Dom, Mac, Endo and Gav.
At least he could Spot a good player.


14.) 14 Jan 2025 13:38:59
I still haven't forgiven him for knocking us out of the FA Cup in 2004.


15.) 14 Jan 2025 14:10:28
We need to see Hughes doing something with our own eyes though.
Maybe rolling the sleeves of his turtle neck up, tiredly sighing, wiping his brow, talking loudly on his phone etc etc.
Fans need appeasing. Doesn't he realise?


16.) 14 Jan 2025 14:24:40
If they are good players, do we need to replace them, kit?
Didn't Ward work on the Mac transfer?


17.) 14 Jan 2025 14:46:33
Why0why one hundred percent agree mate.

The clubs on an all round basis is handled extremely well and ran even better, especially considering the current state of owners in the PL.

Sure there’s been some unfortunate periods like currently where the contracts aren’t sorted, but people have to remember it’s not like the club aren’t doing anything, and it’s not like any player would’ve even put pen to paper anyways during the summer before evaluating Slot.


18.) 14 Jan 2025 14:54:32
Why0Why, has this particular squad won the league yet? No.

Do they hand out trophies for being top of the league at the start of January? No, as a matter of fact, we’ve lost more titles from this position in the last 35 years than won them. 96/ 97, 08/ 09, 13/ 14, 18/ 19, 20/ 21, leading at the same point only to capitulate. In fact we have lost more from this position than any other team since 1992. So I’d say caution is better than hubris at this stage as statistically we’re more likely to fail than win.

You say we have the ‘best squad in the league’, but that statement has no substance and isn’t backed up by any trophies, it is however evident that we’re very thin on quality in midfield, look at how over run we were against United and Spurs. We looked absolutely spent, do you think that’s going to miraculously solve itself?

And when you say that we “get it so right”, does that include when we went into the 20/ 21 season with just three centre backs then didn’t bother to deal with the injury crisis until the last day of the window? And even then that was a disaster. Or failing to refresh our midfield after an extremely draining 21/ 22 season, and panic loaning Arthur which resulted in losing a spot in the champions league? Or failing to deal with the renewals of contracts of three senior professionals until it was close to being within 6 months of their being able to leave on a free? Or Hughes being a man employed way beyond the level of his competence?


19.) 14 Jan 2025 15:25:13
Anywho, what we have got right in recent years is appointing the correct managers and it’s probably Slot’s biggest game as the Liverpool boss tonight. Very hard game after the 2 below performances. We have probably our first choice side available so let’s really go for it and stamp our dominance on this league.


20.) 14 Jan 2025 15:31:54
Rigsby, I heard he likes the short sleeve turtlenecks. Absolute psychopath him.

{Ed001's Note - is that a euphemism? Are you trying to say he only likes uncircumcised players?}


21.) 14 Jan 2025 17:02:10
Yeah Ed01, that went south very quickly.


22.) 14 Jan 2025 16:41:19
Good grief, Ed. Haha.

{Ed001's Note - just asking.}


23.) 14 Jan 2025 17:21:19
We looked absolutely spent against United and Spurs so we sign Zubimendi in the summer, eh, Vik?
Can you support Arsenal for the rest of January, please? It would be very entertaining. Havertz as number 9, Jesus does his ACL and it is looking at signing a midfielder next summer.


24.) 14 Jan 2025 17:26:56
Viktor- think you might be treading into “no true Scotsman” fallacy here. “Has this particular squad won anything yet”?

When does one squad become the next? Ali, Robbo, Trent, Virg, Joe, Mo, Harvey have all won things right?

Didn’t this squad win a trophy last season, didn’t they win two the season before? So I’m not sure what your point is?

You seem to be very good at moaning, but is there an actual thrust to it or do you simply like cryarsin?


25.) 14 Jan 2025 19:46:42
Well said WhyOwhy!

At least someone is talking a bit of sense.


 

 

09 Jan 2025 20:44:14
Not many will know him, but a WWE wrestler called Sheamus just locked Gary Neville in a Texas Cloverleaf and shouted, "Say Liverpool are going to win the league! " repeatedly while Gary wailed in pain from the submission move.

The man has now become my hero and should be written into Liverpool folklore :P.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 09 Jan 2025 22:32:49
Sheamus has been on Sky Sports many a times and will often promote Liverpool. So I’ve been a fan since.


2.) 09 Jan 2025 23:00:47
My lad showed it to me ?.
It was funny and fair play to Neville for going along with it.


3.) 10 Jan 2025 09:29:28
Wish he’d hit him with a folded up chair when Neville got to his feet, or got Mick Foley to join in with Mr Socko.


4.) 10 Jan 2025 11:27:27
Showing your age there lad! Lol

Just need the legion of doom and we're golden lmfao.


 

 

04 Jan 2025 16:59:07
So, it looks like we will be cutting Bajcetic's loan at RB Salzburg short, and instead loan him out to Real Betis.

Strange decision, in my opinion. His loan at RB wasn't exactly working, seeing as he was a sub more often than not. While Real is a decent move, a mid table club in the Spanish league, I feel like his time would have been better served at Liverpool.

It would have made sense to keep him at the club, to work with Slot, and allow for Grav to get more rotation. It is unlikely we will sign anyone at 6, so recalling Baj would have at least covered that issue until the end of the season.

I fear we are light in midfield and, having sat through numerous seasons where injuries utterly debilitated us, I really don't want to have to sit through it again, with Premier League ambitions on the line. It is one thing for things in the background to affect the players (I. e. Contracts) please let's not add to it.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 04 Jan 2025 17:54:03
Maybe he is not really wanted by Slot. If the rumours of his discipline are true, would you want to adding him to a focused happy squad?


2.) 04 Jan 2025 18:31:16
At the start of the season some posters had us basing this seasons team around Baj, Carvalho and Van den Berg with Grav being shipped off to Turkey.

It’s pretty clear Slot sees things differently.


3.) 04 Jan 2025 20:49:31
It’s pretty clear Slot sees things clearly, JK. No rose-coloured spectacles for him.

Hence why I am struggling with his decision to omit Endo but he is getting slightly more minutes lately ….


4.) 04 Jan 2025 21:02:09
I don’t get the clamour for Endo to play St Stienne. He clearly can’t do what Grav can do, not even close.


5.) 04 Jan 2025 21:04:59
I love Endo and have nothing but good things to say about his time at Liverpool but he just doesn’t fit the way we play.

His weakness is receiving the ball under pressure which Slot’s system relies on. That’s why he doesn’t play.


6.) 04 Jan 2025 21:07:11
Why it unlikely we sign anyone at 6?


7.) 05 Jan 2025 05:20:38
Endo has been a machine in his recent appearances and a team player, how odd to bash him. Berch will needs breaks or hit the wall, get injured, etc. Fake Supporters!


8.) 05 Jan 2025 08:09:45
Endos only played 37 mins of our last 7 league and CL games. I think quite a few other players have been machines in those games ahead of him.

Unfortunately Slot doesn’t seem to believe he’s a starter. Perhaps Slot is also a fake supporter.


9.) 05 Jan 2025 14:51:30
Maybe Betis is just a better environment for him to develop, they seem to have a good vibe around the ground and the squad, have a deeply passionate fanbase who adore the players and are well respected in the league. He’ll also be at home in what looks like a beautiful city.


 

 

 

LFC-S MANGO's banter posts with other poster's replies to LFC-S MANGO's banter posts

 

08 Jan 2025 22:51:08
Feel like Slot has been having a little bit of a mare recently. He still has tons of credit in the bank, but some of his decision have been honestly baffling.

Rotation has been our major Achilles heel, and it looks to have finally caught up with us. Grav has been played through the ringer, despite Endo, Elliott, etc, being readily available, depending on the opposition and requirement of the match. Not to mention the recent performances of Jones, where he has gone back to holding on to the ball for too long and killing our momentum. He needs to be rotated far more because he falls into bad habits, and should be considered a squad player at best.

How Elliott and Endo haven't received more minutes I'll never know. One provides a creative edge, can unlock a defence with his creativity. The other is a battering ram that will set the tone of a match and force the players around him to follow his example. Yet both have been left on the bench for a notable period of time, despite fatigue being evident in Macca, Jones and Grav.

We are playing a game every 3/ 4 days, and yet Slot rotates minimally. I know he talks about Feyenoord, where this tactic worked, but the intensity here is an entirely different beast. I thought he would have recognised that by now but clearly not.

I do think Slot needs some help in January, reinforcements to help stabilise this period of instability. Injuries are beginning to stack up, and we lack the bodies and quality necessary to prolong this push. Not to mention the contract situation that hangs over every press conference.

The media smells blood, and they are desperate now to get it. Slot shouldn't have to answer these questions every press conference, they should have been handled by now, one way or another. Whoever is handling the contracts is clearly not fit for his role. No idea who it is, but how has this situation been allowed to continue.

Like I said, Slot still has tons of credit in the bank. However, the same can not be said for the decision makers at our club. No one seems to be effective at their jobs. We have numerous positions in the squad that have not been covered for years now, no development on contracts, and this uncertainty is all coming to a head now.

After all our good work, I would hate to see our season unravel in January, again. Slot needs help, players that he actually wants and would be willing to play and share minutes accordingly. If not, I can see a season of disappointment by the end (with title expectations not being met) and further disappointment when Trent, Van Dijk and Salah see the clubs lack of competency and leave for pastures new.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 08 Jan 2025 23:11:22
Strange endo conversation whe. Although played out of position was bang average at best tonight played most of the game and I can honestly say could be improved upon.


2.) 08 Jan 2025 23:33:14
We don't know how we'd have played or be playing had Slot been rotating more though.
We haven't played well for the last couple of games- not easy games, btw- but we're still in a very good position. I wouldn't be that confident we would be had Endo and Elliott and the like played more.

You can't have your cake and eat it. Would we sooner have fewer points in the leagues, maybe out of the EFL Cup but be fresher with some catching up to do?
There is no right answer because we'll never know.


3.) 08 Jan 2025 23:39:19
Don’t blame slot. Slot hasn’t been adequately supported by those supposedly supporting him in the sporting directors roles. Whether that’s in failing to get contracts resolved, or bringing in fresh legs to the squad. Regrettably, our squad is thin on quality in some areas beyond our starting 11 and that is likely to be a problem very soon. The answer does lie in using the January window, but we are very unlikely to use it.


4.) 09 Jan 2025 00:44:38
All fans want new players to come in. Even myself and I've been loathe to join the Ebeneezer Hughes witchunt but who would that be, Vik?
Fresh legs alone doesn't guarantee you anything.
I'm not having a go but I'm struggling to find a LB and midfielder (what we need, imo) that would sign for us in January and improve on what we have.


5.) 09 Jan 2025 00:45:59
It’s been coming. Only good thing is it’s half time. Hopefully it will open slots eyes because so far it’s been a cake walk for him and us made easier by the fact the teams we expect to be top are having there own problems. I agree on his lack of rotation if last season proves anything then it’s that the kids and fringe players can perform and deserve a chance.


6.) 09 Jan 2025 04:49:29
Top of domestic and European leagues by some way and all you can see is disappointment, Mango?


7.) 09 Jan 2025 07:01:12
Fresh legs isn’t the real answer, we can get that from the bench. We need two quality starters, one centre mid, one left back. This level of sport is completely unforgiving, weaknesses get exposed, our poor decision making over a number of windows is leaving us short. There’s no over reaction on this site we just want to win the league, it’s there to be won.


8.) 09 Jan 2025 07:58:31
Dreamofgin, it's irrelevant till we win it.
We were ahead 2 years ago, we were in for the quad last year and lost it all in 2 weeks.
We really need a good performance, we're lucky arsenal and city have been out of it, otherwise with all the draws we could be in a worse position.


9.) 09 Jan 2025 09:01:43
JordanSimon-Some good points here, although any elite coaching team should first assess and work with what they have before steaming into the market.

For some context, only a season ago we purchased the best MF in the league in Dom, Alexis and Grav, with Endo as back up. Now ALL of those players have shown their worth.

We are a very well run club, with a proper transfer strategy that has proven to be superior to most of our rivals, if not all of them. Steaming into the market to top up now, when the liklihood is that our prime targets are not available until summer, and once Slot has had a full season with what is an already great squad doesn't make any sense unless a VVD level player is actualy available.

Yes the contract situation could derail us, but look at the two nearly seasons under Jurgen, when we walked away with the dummy proze after promising so much all season.
This could be down to mentality, exhaustion from being overly invested in micky mouse competitions (without having a shadow squad like City's) or who knows what, but to simplify it all down to spending money on new bodies is reductive and childish.


10.) 09 Jan 2025 09:04:02
If it's irrelevant why are you disappointed, DeanW. We can't win anything yet.
The last two games have been disappointing but we are still in with a chance of winning both trophies.
Are we just lucky that City and Arsenal haven't brought in the players to get them fewer losses and draws? Or is it only Liverpool that does that?
We all want to see improvements but the bottom line is we've lost two games all season and one of those is a two legged tie and it was by only one goal. In the manager's first season, too.


11.) 09 Jan 2025 09:18:09
Because the form is concerning, these are 100% winnable games. Both Spurs (who are injury ridden) and United (who are dog), and I wouldn't mind if we played to a good level and conceded some poor goals, a bit more like the 3-3 against newcastle.

But this "its all fine" can't be used till we recover.


12.) 09 Jan 2025 09:20:05
Why are we on panic mode 1 nil down second leg at annfield of which I'm sure we will turn it around top of both the Premier league and champions league the referee made an error that is no doubt but konate should never have been shrugged off so easy as he was we will come good again of that I'm assured off so let's think positive and not negative we are after all LFC not all the others.


13.) 09 Jan 2025 12:06:44
I agree, it is concerning, Dean.
But it's not a crisis. Yet ?.
I just think that we maybe weren't that great when we were winning and scoring loads of goals and are not that bad when we lose and draw a few.
That could be more my personality than the reality though, mate.


 

 

05 Dec 2024 12:09:28
Apparently, since joining Liverpool, Jota has played 104 games and missed 78.

I mean what a life, play a little bit of footie in your spare time, get injured, then back home to play computer games at your leisure. I kinda respect the hustle.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 05 Dec 2024 13:15:24
I find it mad that people come with this sort of comment and attitude that a player can control how often he is injured and, even worse, some sort of suggestion that he would actually be happy about it. "what a life" you say? You really think a professional footballer playing at the top level for maybe 10 years max would get some sort of satisfaction from getting paid to not play football?

I get that you're (hopefully) partially joking and probably partially venting a bit of frustration but you only have to watch Jota for 5 minutes to know that he is a committed and passionate professional. The thought that his injury record would cause him anything other than extreme frustration and upset is ridiculous.

Now, maybe he is more injury prone but that's completely different and not his fault (assuming he trains well, looks after himself properly and has good nutrition, lifestyle, etc) .

By the way, Alisson has missed 54 (and counting) matches in the last five years. I would say a keeper missing 54 matches in 5 years is a bigger problem than an outfield player missing 78 (neither is great obviously) . Do you think he's sitting at home with his PlayStation and a big smile on his face as well, counting all the money he's getting paid for not playing? Or extremely frustrated and desperate to get back?


2.) 05 Dec 2024 13:44:52
Agree with a lot of things there, RR regarding Alisson esp. With Jota, it is his muscle injuries that give me concern cos that ain't going to get better the older he gets. Same can apply to Ali, too.


3.) 05 Dec 2024 13:56:57
He doesn't play footie in his spare time though.
And does anyone really know how much time he spends playing computer games? ?
I'm sure the last injury he got was nothing to do with him playing these games.


4.) 05 Dec 2024 14:15:09
I think there certainly will be a correlation between Jota's lifestyle and the amount of injuries he picks up if what is being said about him staying up too late playing video games is true. Being well rested absolutely contributes to your physical wellbeing so in that regard he could control the amount of injuries he sustains. Compare that to Salah who is the complete opposite when it comes to nutrition and wellbeing. Barely ever injured.


5.) 05 Dec 2024 20:48:55
I mean it's not like they get injured, then sit on their ar*e like you lot for months, then suddenly come back to premier league football and running 9-10kms out of the blue.


 

 

29 Oct 2024 14:56:59
So, Jota and Elliott confirmed to be out until after the international break in late November.

I understand that someone fell on Jota, and that injured him, but this is becoming a joke now. This isn't the first time someone has landed on him and kept him out for a period of time. I don't know how much longer we can contend with Jota as our striker. His availability is poor, and, despite his obvious talents, there is no point keeping a player that is rarely available.

Hopefully Nunez can make the position his own now, in Jota's absence. When it comes to pressing, covering passing avenues, etc, Nunez is brilliant and works hard. However, offensively he still needs work, especially on his finishing. Hopefully, with a sustained period of game time, he will get the necessary experience to strengthen these parts of his game.

Having said that, though, I do feel we need a proper, number one choice Striker. Rather than a rotational option, which Jota and Nunez are pretty much viewed as. Neither have really made the position there's, due to time and availability, rather than ability.

Gyokeres would be the dream, but I doubt we would have the funds to cover that, plus the number of positions we failed to strengthen at the start of this season. Not to mention the players that may be departing next season that will need to be replaced, with little in the way of a transfer fees coming into the club for those players. Zero, in fact.

Big job for Hughes and, unlike Slot who has impressed me more and more, Hughes has done little to suggest he is capable. Chiesa was one of the few positives of this window, and that is quickly turning into a mistake with the numerous injuries he has already picked up. Fingers crossed this all gets done, and our squad is able to go again, with little in the way of setbacks.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 29 Oct 2024 15:35:58
@Mango respectfully, Where did Chiesa pick up all this "numerous" injuries you are talking about, pls?

As for the strikers, the real problem here is that we are not able to offer them consistent service and Slot has already addressed this after the Bologna game. Darwin in the last 2 PL games has only received one piece of service which was the assist to Salah. That is NOT good enuff even if Gyokeres was signed. I propose you worry about that immediate issue than signing some other "Top" striker cos frankly, there's not that many around anymore.

This is where we have to work on and progress, IMO cos regardless of who you get (Gyokeres included) if you cannot offer the right service to them then, nothing consistent will happen in terms production. Just my opinion.


2.) 29 Oct 2024 16:17:13
Slot said this concerning Chiesa, which to me sounds like he is picking up small injuries during training, which is far from ideal.

“That’s always difficult to say because he goes a bit up and down: sometimes he’s there with us, training for a few days, and then he goes out with injury again.

And I completely agree with you about the service, that is the first port of call to ensure there is opportunity for the striker to finish. However, I still don't trust Nunez offensively. All his positives are when it comes to tracking back, work rate, heart and passion. I have seen little offensive improvement since joining. He continues to stray offside and looks uncomfortable when one on one with the keeper. Jota, injury prone and becomes far too detached from games for my liking.

When we do create these chances, I want a striker that is cold and clinical. Nunez and Jota are not that for me. Decent rotational options for different phases of a game, but lack the killer instinct I feel we need to progress as a team. I also believe we have the creative individuals in the squad to create something out of very little, Trent as a main example. Szobo, he lacks the necessary technical and creative elements, I would personally prefer Macca in that role, as he has a keen eye for a line breaking pass. Jones, has impressed me in the 6, as has Grav more so. Elliott has the ability to create also. I believe we have the players to create already in the team, I'm just not sure I trust our striker to provide the necessary finish, for one reason and another.


3.) 29 Oct 2024 16:20:42
“I understand that someone fell on Jota, and that injured him, but this is becoming a joke now“

Is it really a joke? He got fouled and had a lump of a centre half land on him. It’s not surprising he got injured from that.

It’s not like it was a muscle strain or something? It’s not his fault that somebody landed on him mate

Think you’re being very harsh on jota.


4.) 29 Oct 2024 16:47:46
I was really hoping to see Danns push on this season. He returned to running at the beginning of October after his pre-season back injury.

Hopefully he will be back sooner rather than later, as we could do with his 3 goals in 7 game return.


5.) 29 Oct 2024 17:07:33
Hopefully slot reads the banter page and sells Jota in January.

Likelihood is though he doesn’t and Jota returns to the match day squad for the season after the international break.


6.) 29 Oct 2024 17:08:10
Fair on Chiesa however, you have to understand that the huy has not hasd a ^reseason as he was frozen out at Juve cos Motta wanted him gone ASAP so with that b eing know, he is not just lacking match fitness, he is lacking footie fitness in general so relax and don't judge him too early.

As for your trust or not in Darwin, if he is not getting the correct service consistently then, your trust will never confirmed nor debunked so until that improves, let's wait and see what happens before we judge the guy.

I also fully disagree with the fact that you have "seen little improvement" since he joined. To say he has not improved a lot is just not true at all. The goals and assists numbers alone has gone up from the first to the second season alone. Seriously if you have not seen all the great strides he has made since he joined esp right now doing the things many of his detractors never thought he could do (and even rival fan are bigging him up for) then, I cannot help you.

As for Jota like @Navy said, are you criticizing him for being injured cos someone fell on him? If that is what you are doing and calling it a joke then, your lack of perspective, patience and grace is deafening and at this point, Im done. Peace!


7.) 29 Oct 2024 17:40:27
@Oli, the problem with our two choices for the starting CF position is that neither of them are reliable and neither of them really fit into the system they way that Slot wants us to play. As I’ve been saying since the last transfer window our priority, certainly in midfield / attacking terms should be a CF, and should ideally do the job for us that Bobby did - hold the ball and bring the other forwards into play and also lead in terms of pressing from the front, and, of course have an instinct for scoring.


8.) 29 Oct 2024 19:40:17
I’ve seen him loads live Mango and Gyokeres is and always has been never good enough for title chasing teams. I’d take Nunez over him any day of the week - not even close.


9.) 29 Oct 2024 20:13:33
I see that Cannonier played half a game recently - hopefully his injury woes are over.


10.) 29 Oct 2024 20:28:55
WDW, that is not the conversation we were having to begin with. Now to address your actual points you are making, I have not seen anywhere Slot saying or the Ed's saying neither Jota nor Darwin fit in the way he (Slot) wants to play. In fact, we don't need to guess how Slot used his CF cos we can go to Feyenoord to check out Santiago Jimenez who Slot signed from Mexican football and study the way Slot used him to great effect and his goals helped Slot win trophies in Holland.

Now if you have seen Jimenez play consistently under Slot then pls, enlighten me on how he played and how he fit into Slot's system. Now if you haven't and don't know how Jimenez did then, how do you know Darwin (more similar to Jimenez) or Jota don't fit in Slot's system?

And I'll repeat. Regardless of who you get even Haaland, if we don't do a better job of providing good and consistent service to "insert your preferred CF here", it's NOT going to matter. Said CF will struggle and both Jota and Darwin currently are. Get that part fixed and then, we will know a lot more, IMO.


11.) 29 Oct 2024 20:53:19
I have not seen anywhere Slot saying or the Ed's saying neither Jota nor Darwin fit in the way he (Slot) wants to play

What bearing would it actually have if the Ed’s were saying it.


12.) 29 Oct 2024 21:08:55
Oli, how would the Eds know how Jota or Nunez would fit into the way Slot wants to play?
How much influence does what Slot did at Feyenoord have on what he will do at Liverpool? He might do things differently or want to do things differently because they are different clubs.
And Nunez is in his third season with the club. Are you saying it's because of the service that he's only scored 21 League goals? If it is would you change the team to accommodate Nunez? He wasn't starting regularly at the end of last season and he hasn't been starting this season so Klopp and Slot didn't think so.


13.) 29 Oct 2024 22:12:36
Nunez is far from perfect but he clearly is willing to learn - his link up play alone has improved tremendously. he is even passing to someone other than Salah now ;-)


14.) 29 Oct 2024 22:44:07
More Darwin bashing I see.


15.) 30 Oct 2024 00:07:30
?? @Oli, sometimes conversations develop though.

That said, it wasn’t an attack on you in any way, shape or form. It was me expressing an opinion. Sometimes opinions differ.

However to address one or two of your comments: how likely do you think it is for Slot to say our two primary CFs aren’t fit for the job? From the point of view of the Eds, they too are entitled to their opinion but that doesn’t always make them right.

I’ve seen Jimenez on the box a couple of times but didn’t really take much notice of him (or anybody else in particular) and certainly not in comparison with the quantum idea of how Slot would set up future teams with the players available.

The last point I’d make is, how come Salah keeps scoring? How is it the passes to him seem to reach their destination?


16.) 30 Oct 2024 07:47:39
If it's Nunez bashing, then is the lack of service to him the rest of the team bashing?

I was going to make that point about Salah, WDW, if only to see how many of his goals were penalties ?.

It's not Nunez bashing to talk about how many goals he has scored and the fact that Klopp and Slot didn't always pick him, is it?


17.) 30 Oct 2024 10:02:28
"neither of them really fit into the system they way that Slot wants us to play"

I can't remember seeing more varied tactics under a manager in such a short space of time. Slot looks for the opposition weaknesses and sets the team up to play in a way to try and exploit them. He wants Liverpool to be able to play every way possible.

And as for Darwin showing no improvement - even the commentators were praising him for his improvement this season. His defending and pressing is second to none for a striker and his link up with Mo is great. His numbers are never going to be like Haaland but that's because he doesn't get the service and he works hard for the team rather than just hanging out around the goal. Haaland is ideal for city but if you put him in our team his numbers wouldn't be nearly as good and we would all be moaning about his lack of effort.


18.) 30 Oct 2024 10:07:49
I would add a Diaz to Salah in terms of passes to him resulting in goals.

I love the tacit double standards . If I criticise X for poor play I’m expressing my opinion. If somebody else criticises X, who I think is a good player, then it unfair / unjustified of the player.


19.) 30 Oct 2024 13:59:58
WDW, I did not see it as an at.


20.) 30 Oct 2024 14:00:21
I like Nunez and it doesn’t bother me if he starts or Jota.

But Darwin gets given far too many excuses. How can someone who missed the most big chances last season be in the same sentence as he doesn’t get service.

His pressing and effort is good but is it 2nd to no one. On Sunday he won 5 of his 15 duals.

99% of the time commentators don’t have a clue what they are talking about but now we are using them as character references for Darwin improving.

I really hope him and Jota score a hatful of goals this season but if it’s believed that it’s the rest of our team that needs to improve over the strikers then it’s clear unconscious bias.


21.) 30 Oct 2024 14:09:02
Sorry, I'll try again.

WDW, I did not see it as an attack on me so all good there. I was just trying to clarify or make a distinction btw what was said earlier and what you were saying afterwards. Like I said, all good.

Now regarding Jimenez, I have never seen him play so was asking legitimately if you have so you can enlighten me on how Slot uses his CF's. Regarding the Ed's, I asked that cos there was an occasion where Ed01 had hinted that we may be looking at replacements for Jota and Darwin but it may just have been his opinion so I get that now.

As for your last statement, you can clearly see in games that once we are on the move, our attack almost always goes on the right side where Salah is and we almost look for him at every term which is normal. Even the equalizer vs Arsenal, the pass was for Salah (who would have been offside), not Darwin who was onside. And comparing Salah to Jota and Darwin of finishing is just lame, man. Therefore, we may need to variate the way we attack esp. in transition and get others involved rather than ultra focusing on Salah and get them involved, IMO

At the end of the day, the problem remains that we are not getting the correct service to Jota and Darwin. That much is a fact and we have to do better there. Slot has alluded to it so it's not like I made it up.


22.) 30 Oct 2024 16:04:57
I reckon we, like most teams, have more than one problem.
I know it's easy to focus on one thing- especially if you don't like to scapegoat- and last season it was Pep Lijnders and his tactics.
Funnily enough Jota has been scapegoated but now it's of a lack of service to a position where Jota plays.


23.) 30 Oct 2024 18:10:05
Are you suggesting double standards @Rigsby? How could you entertain such an idea ?.


24.) 31 Oct 2024 08:25:56
Missed big chances is a misleading stat on its own. You know who was second in that list? Haaland.

Anyone want to argue haaland is a bad player because of all the missed big chances (he's up there again this year too)


25.) 31 Oct 2024 09:01:07
Nevada the argument was that Nunez doesn't get any service.

The fact that he's missing big chances proves that wrong.

No one ever said he was a bad player for missing big chances.


26.) 02 Nov 2024 04:20:38
Can I say that I don’t think Haaland is a good football player? He’s a world class goal hanger - a bit like an XL version of Harry Kane.


 

 

26 Oct 2024 16:31:44
Well lads, I hate to say it, but I think Trent might very well be gone at the end of the season.

Trent did an interview with Sky Sports and openly admitted that he would care more about winning a Balon D'or than being captain of Liverpool Football Club. His reasoning being, he has been captain already. The interview is quite damning of our chances to retain him.

When I saw the headlines, I thought little of it, simply more pointless speculation, etc. But, when you watch it, you realise this might be his first hints at leaving. He actively tries to move past any mention of Liverpool, when it is brought up by the interviewer, and talks about his aspirations instead. This sounds to me like a man with eyes elsewhere.

If he does leave, I do not think it is on him. He has abided by his contract, and served his time ably. This is on the club not sorting out a contract and waiting till he had less than a year left. The fact we might be letting one of the best right backs around, leave on a free, is mind-boggling.

Hope I am wrong, but that interview came across as writing on the wall, and hinting at what is to come. A real shame.

LFC-S MANGO

1.) 26 Oct 2024 16:46:25
Can't remember the last RB to win a Ballon D'Or. maybe Madrid will play him as a CM, and he'll become Stevie G over night!


2.) 26 Oct 2024 17:31:46
Madrid aren’t going to want him to play midfield.


3.) 26 Oct 2024 17:46:02
It’s about aspiration @Fisk - it’s about the desire to be best you can and to take any and all opportunities to make yourself better. In this case it’s about a massive talent trying to be the best he can possibly be. It’s not about winning trophies and awards per se, but if he can be the best that he has the potential to be then an effect will be to win awards and trophies.


4.) 26 Oct 2024 17:54:21
Good luck to him. It's a game of football lad. Never forget that. a lot more going on in the world, negatively and positively to ever give the time to care about where a football player ends up. Extremely poor financially but personally? These lads kick a football, a lot better than us but they kick a football.


5.) 26 Oct 2024 18:13:27
All our players should want to be the best player in the world. It’s normal.


6.) 26 Oct 2024 18:21:51
If the club hasn't or isn't going to offer him a contract then it doesn't want him anyway.
I doubt this is the case though.


7.) 26 Oct 2024 19:30:55
If he leaves i don't buy this its not on Trent attitude. Sure the club should have offered him a contract earlier maybe but he still has 8 months left and has been offered a contract. if it really"means more"and its your dream to captain the club then sign on, don't use when you were made an offer as an excuse to head of to your mate Jude. i would never leave liverpool to join Madrid, Barca r any other club because im a liverpool fan, just like trent. For what its worth i still think he signs but if he does go he'll go into the Owen and McManaman bracket for me, both were castigated for leaving the club and us getting pittance for them and Trent will be doing the same thing.


8.) 26 Oct 2024 19:55:59
It’s great to see Trent have the ambition for the balon D’dor but unfortunately he’s up against it.

The award usually goes to mavericks, goal scorers or players with the biggest fan base at the time.

De Bruyne is a fine example of winning things with assists and world class passes and not coming even close to the award.

Tent will win trophy after trophy at Real but I’d be confident enough to bet that one of them won’t by the Balon D’or.


9.) 26 Oct 2024 20:15:12
As biased as it sounds, he's more likely to win a ballon d'or at Liverpool than he is at real Madrid.

Hear me out!

It's widely accepted that the ballon d'or winner is usually a player from a champions League winning team, or a world cup/ euros winner, or someone who stands out head and shoulders above everyone else in the world. If he wins the champions league with Madrid, so do Bellingham, mbappe, vini jr, and possibly haaland in a season or 2. There's no way he outperforms any of those teammates unless England also win the world cup, but then Bellingham will probably be in a better position.

At Liverpool, he's the best Englishman in the team, he's setting records for assists, he's team captain, so if the stars align, Liverpool win a league and champs league double and England put on a good show at the world cup, he's got a chance.

Obviously, I'm not saying those things will happen, but that's his only shot in my book, because there's no way in the world he's winning it over other teammates at Madrid.


10.) 26 Oct 2024 20:41:21
It’s a team game, if he doesn’t want to stay then it’s no big deal. He’s impacting games less and less these days.

Hope he stays, think he will, but if he leaves then “good luck Trent”. ?.


11.) 26 Oct 2024 21:48:10
Totally agree JK23, that was my point about him being a RB, Madrid will not sign him to play CM so i don't think he'll ever win it with the likes of Mbappe and Yamal around. At least with us he has a chance to transition into midfield eventually and then he might actually have a chance depending on how we're doing.


12.) 26 Oct 2024 22:16:13
Thankfully he plays right back for Liverpool FC and we're about to play Arsenal.


13.) 26 Oct 2024 23:24:19
He might need to flutter his eyelashes at Barcelona instead of Madrid if he wants to win things.


14.) 27 Oct 2024 07:06:53
He’s an employee at the end of the day and as ed002 correctly says, most players are simply transient.


15.) 27 Oct 2024 07:17:31
Honestly, I think it’s completely on Trent if he leaves. For me it’s the reason why there have been no negotiations, the club already know it would be futile. It makes sense to me.


16.) 27 Oct 2024 09:53:50
I agree with IR that it’s the players decision if he goes.

Apparently he’s staying though.


17.) 27 Oct 2024 10:24:07
Respectfully, who said there are no negotiations going one, exactly? Cos I've never heard that from anywhere else.


18.) 27 Oct 2024 10:45:09
Id be surprised if Barcelona were not in for him also, and I think he'd have a better chance with them for some reason.


19.) 27 Oct 2024 10:56:12
Just to back you up Oli, Trent specifically said the negotiations won’t be happening in public, it will all be done in private.

So no-one actually knows apart from the club and the agents.


20.) 27 Oct 2024 10:58:30
I can’t blame him for wanting to leave, we’ve toed the line in regards to ambition and given Klopp’s tenure we should have invested more when we were on top to reaffirm those positions. He’s guaranteed silverware at Real, so whilst I’d be disappointed if he were to leave I wouldn’t blame him.


21.) 27 Oct 2024 12:06:13
Not guaranteed much this season Frode.


22.) 27 Oct 2024 12:26:16
All this talk about the 3 players contracts is very tiresome, it really is a distraction as the players/ club keep being asked about it, rather than focusing on playing. The club really have taken their eye off the ball, not nailing down the contracts last summer, or bringing in replacements if they weren’t going to renew them.

On TAA, I’m a big fan of what he brings to the team, when he focuses on what good he brings to the team. Over the last few years, he/ Klopp has been culpable for the mistakes which led to losing matches against better teams who can expose his positional/ defensive weaknesses. He must surely know that the protection he gets at Liverpool for his mistakes will be in short supply with Madrid fans and the media, you can see already that Bellingham is beginning to take flak there, even though he was superb last season. If there is one consultation, it will be that if we play Madrid next year, Diaz will shred him.


23.) 27 Oct 2024 13:20:09
The negotiations and real decisions will be done in private and the mudslinging by fans will be done in public.
The club, The Three Stooges, TAA and Real Madrid have all been blamed for a decision that hasn't been made yet!
Or has it. ?.


24.) 27 Oct 2024 14:26:20
I could be wrong, but I think all 3 players have said that the club had not approached them last summer about contract renewals. That is a decision they made Rigsby, and something which is certainly comment worthy.


25.) 27 Oct 2024 19:19:21
The decisions were not made last summer, D-day. They are out of contract next summer.
What did TAA say exactly, btw?

The contract situations are worthy of comment but I'm talking about the OTT stuff. The contracts and transfer window were as disastrous and shambolic. People were talking of sacking Hughes months ago. Trent and Real Madrid have received stick because of it.
We all want certainty but it doesn't work like that.


26.) 27 Oct 2024 20:29:32
Trent has said no such thing, he insists it will be done in private.


27.) 27 Oct 2024 21:38:42
Trent is great on the ball and can play a killer pass once or twice a game but I do wonder if the all round team would improve if we did get a replacement? I do sometimes think Trent gets a free pass because he can ping a ball like he did today against Arsenal for our goal but prior to that pass he was shocking, positionally all over the place, very poor passing, can’t remember him winning a challenge and to be honest I got a real bad attitude off him in last few games.

Not trying to send him out the door to Madrid but I don’t think it’s an absolute disaster if he leaves and probably the easiest out of the 3 contract expirations to replace and possibly strengthen on.


28.) 27 Oct 2024 21:43:08
May not be future tense @Ron.


 

 

04 Oct 2024 19:12:18
So, it seems like Stefan Bajcetic was fined £500 by RB Salzburg for being late to a training session, and several of his teammates are unhappy with his selection on the grounds of 'sporting reasons. '

I'm going to ignore the latter part because it just sounds like childish griping from entitled players, but the late to training does have me concerned. This is not the first time this has happened to Bajcetic. At Liverpool, teammates have mentioned Baj being late to training and tactical analysis meetings, Gakpo and Robertson most recently.

If he is continuing this behaviour at his loan club, then I have to admit I am concerned about Baj's temperament. The penny should have dropped by now, yet Baj still doesn't appear to show signs of change. Small things like this can affect their development, no matter their technical ability. I mean just look at Ravel Morrison. The world was at his feet, and he scuppered it due to his awful attitude, temperament, etc.

Hopefully Baj fixes this soon because he is quite some player when up to speed.

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1.) 05 Oct 2024 01:14:03
He WAS quite some player. The season before last. For less than a season.

One swallow does not make a summer. He needs to knuckle down and recalibrate, otherwise he will be just another promising young player who failed to live up to the hype.


2.) 05 Oct 2024 01:22:56
I think we need to forget about him personally. A great talent but will ruin it all, his attitude isn't right. If anything he should be turning up early, he's not taking it as serious as he should be doing and if I were the manager he wouldn't be in my team. I would love for him to change it all and sort it out but I have my doubts. Bloody idiot if you ask me, risking it all - a great career (what could be) for what? being a lazy sod? nah I don't want him at Liverpool sadly.

Lol funny thing here is, I'm often very wrong - you watch him come back next year and smash it with us.

Not going to happen. These lads need more discipline - guaranteed he was in stitches to his mates about a £500 fine, it's nothing. Too much money and no passion.


3.) 05 Oct 2024 03:29:14
I think we need to forget about him personally. A great talent but will ruin it all,
How easily did you say that @Salah. We wrote off an entire last season in the back of “Bajectic is our next Alonso and we need not buy a top DM”.


4.) 05 Oct 2024 04:33:07
I saw somewhere that Millie used to stay out on the field after training when he was with us as he wanted to improve his skills with his weaker left foot and he was in his mid-30’s. The examples are there if the youngsters want to see.

I have to say that’s me with my ‘do what I say, not what I do’ head on, as I probably wasn’t overly keen on pushing myself to be better when I was a teenager.


5.) 05 Oct 2024 09:46:19
I love your honesty WDW, I was probably the same, or worse. I was terribly lethargic during my late teens.

I hope I wouldn’t have messed up a promising football career but that was never going to happen, not with these knees!


 

 

 

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04 Feb 2025 07:38:04
You might have become my favourite person, WDW, after that Monty Python reference.

I didn't know people still watched it.

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01 Jan 2025 19:48:24
After what the lad has said about us?

He can do one.

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07 Nov 2024 00:58:14
Tchou is a capable player, no doubt, but he has been picking up an awful lot of injuries these last few years. Plus, he hasn't played much first team football at Real, due mostly to the performances of Kroos, Modric, Camavinga and Valverde, during his time at Real, coupled with his injury issues.

I would prefer a more consistently available option, but with Tchou's ability. That is a hard ask, of course, but I would look elsewhere. Or, maybe I am fearing another Chiesa case, where we sign him and barely see him again due to what we all knew and feared. Injuries.

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19 Sep 2024 17:27:08
FSG hire the people in positions to negotiate contracts, so yes, they are involved in the process. They can delegate, no issues there. But, there has to be a principle of trust. When you hire someone to do a job, and they do not do it, that reflects on the individual and employer. So I do hold FSG accountable for this mess.

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{Ed001's Note - I give up, this is moronic. Klopp was more at fault than FSG but you are not blaming him?}


 

 

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19 Sep 2024 13:34:21
It is genuinely shocking, and has me concerned about what FSG's plan is here.

You wouldn't allow your best player, or players in this case, have 2 years left on their contract, without first addressing it. Now, we are but a few months away from all 3 being out of contract, and nothing has been done about it. Contracts take time too, it is not a simple sign on the day it is offered, there are negotiations, etc. Plus, if we do not get this sorted by January, then other European teams can discuss pre-contracts with these 3, I believe, and hand Trent a contract that blows ours out of the water.

Even an FSG defender has to admit, this has been handled poorly. I just hope it doesn't end up costing us dearly. Negligence of the highest order.

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{Ed001's Note - FSG do not handle contracts. Embarrassing this is.}


 

 

 

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02 Dec 2024 12:12:16
I would honestly consider another centre back as well, because we only have Konate, Van Dijk, Gomez and Quansah. Konate always picks up an injury at the worse time, and that leaves us with 3. In order to compete on all fronts we need to be able to rotate more, and 3 players doesn't leave us much room for that, risking further injuries. I would say dip into the loan market, if none of our targets are available, but we have not had much success there.

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29 Oct 2024 17:58:09
If I remember correctly, wasn't Amorim supposed to be Liverpool's first choice to replace Klopp, by the new hierarchy/ decision makers. But Amorim was asking for too much control, etc, and we instead turned to Slot?

I believe many were saying Amorim embarrassed himself with his demands and that Liverpool and Chelsea turned away from him as a result.

Might just be me making stuff up, but I swear I remember hearing that.

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29 Oct 2024 16:17:13
Slot said this concerning Chiesa, which to me sounds like he is picking up small injuries during training, which is far from ideal.

“That’s always difficult to say because he goes a bit up and down: sometimes he’s there with us, training for a few days, and then he goes out with injury again.

And I completely agree with you about the service, that is the first port of call to ensure there is opportunity for the striker to finish. However, I still don't trust Nunez offensively. All his positives are when it comes to tracking back, work rate, heart and passion. I have seen little offensive improvement since joining. He continues to stray offside and looks uncomfortable when one on one with the keeper. Jota, injury prone and becomes far too detached from games for my liking.

When we do create these chances, I want a striker that is cold and clinical. Nunez and Jota are not that for me. Decent rotational options for different phases of a game, but lack the killer instinct I feel we need to progress as a team. I also believe we have the creative individuals in the squad to create something out of very little, Trent as a main example. Szobo, he lacks the necessary technical and creative elements, I would personally prefer Macca in that role, as he has a keen eye for a line breaking pass. Jones, has impressed me in the 6, as has Grav more so. Elliott has the ability to create also. I believe we have the players to create already in the team, I'm just not sure I trust our striker to provide the necessary finish, for one reason and another.

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Damn, that's actually good.

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18 Sep 2024 01:42:06
I honestly understand players complaining about the number of matches they are being forced to play. Players will be expected to play upwards of 70 matches a season. Especially now, with the newly revamped 2025 FIFA Club World Cup starting on the 14th of June to the 13th of July. A brand new tournament designed for one main purpose, financial gain for a major federation at the expense of player welfare.

This is compounded with the frequent international breaks in the middle of club football, adding so many inconsequential matches that few actually care about. I mean, what is the point of the Nations League? I doubt any player or fan has gone to sleep at night dreaming about winning the prestigious, career defining., . Nations League?

I suspect UEFA and FIFA will be relieved to see a section of fans ignoring the players concerns, putting it down to a soft attitude, 'back in my day' mentality, I've seen a few spouting. Ignoring the fact that, the ones who benefit the most from these additional matches are UEFA and FIFA officials, no doubt reaping the benefit of more matches. Yet, I never see that mentioned.

The negativity always seem to be on the players, that they should consider it an honor to be a footballer, that they are lucky, ignoring the years of dedication, hard work and perseverance it takes to reach this level. Yet, high ranking officials get a free pass because they lack the profile, can remain anonymous and do zero work for far greater financial reward.

Just my two thoughts, saw quite a few remarks on Twitter, and it was honestly doing my head in.

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