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03 Aug 2019 05:56:48
Any news on where Kent is most likely to move? Any advanced talks taking place?


1.) 03 Aug 2019 18:22:30
Leeds?


2.) 03 Aug 2019 20:03:27
Would be a good signing for them.


3.) 04 Aug 2019 11:56:30
I can’t see a move to be honest Har. From what I can tell it’s fairly stuck where it is. If there was a move away that would leave London and Surrey with a coastline which would be fun but I think East Sussex would be a bit exposed so it’s a non starter. There could be a loan to France but it take a while to get there.


4.) 03 Aug 2019 14:16:42
Last i heard was no club could afford him (they don't think he is worth it) and only want loan deals. Klopp Said no loans but when no bids come in we'll let him go on loan with an option/ obligation to buy or something.


5.) 04 Aug 2019 20:37:18
Not even close to an accurate prediction. In your defence Lerchy that’s how the vast majority of confident calls go on this site.


6.) 04 Aug 2019 22:41:05
The PFA Scotland Young Player of the Year? No interest!? Shockin.
He'll prob be sold for 6mil on Wednesday, no biggy. I'm actually way more curious to see if there'll be any late surprise incomings. I expect nothing, but they've surprised us before.


 

 

04 Jul 2019 11:17:19
Ed a quick question if you have any info.

I remember laxalt being linked in the past but I'm sure you mentioned us giving up on any interest. With Milan now poised to sign Theo Hernandez would they possibly look to offer laxalt around at a decent price? Would it be a possibility we may look again at him if readily available or is it non runner?

{Ed002's Note - It is a good question. Laxalt would be happy to stay at Milan and it is Ricardo Rodriguez who was blocking his place in the first team for much of last season who is being offered around. However, with Marco Giampaolo as the new coach and Theo Hernandez joining it will still limit opportunities - although with serious financial issues they will be thinking about keeping him to cover the LB, LM and LW positions - which he is capable of doing. Interest remains from Atalanta and Newcastle enquired - seeing him as a left sided option to Kenedy. For me he would be ideal cover for LB, LM and LW at Liverpool but there has seemingly been no recent interest from the club although he is one of those players - like Valentino Lazaroon the right, who is comfortable in several positions.}


1.) 04 Jul 2019 12:16:41
Thanks for that answer, very insightful overview in fairness. It's his versatility indeed is what would have made him a sensible option too I think. Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


 

 

 

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28 Aug 2019 00:19:02
Seems to be talk of us offering matip a new contract which he clearly has earned. Just a year left on his current one so I believe he'd have the option to pre negotiate with other clubs in January if not renewed before then. He's 28 now so a 3 year deal would be good business and with him currently confident in his form of late he will feel he's capable of holding down his starting role so now would be the perfect time to sign him up, . If he was still playing 3rd or 4th fiddle he would likely not have been keen to sign.

Similar to origi, he was surplus for a while but earned his game time and when the offer of a contract was there he was in a position to be happy to commit. Origi and matip were 2 players who at the start of 2019 most would have expected to be moving on with contract running down but both have played their parts and gained a Liverpool future. With AOC also extending its great to see that we continue to keep tying down our players to long contracts.

Puts us in strong position to avoid situations like losing emre can, Moreno etc for nowt. Wijnaldum I think doesn't have much left on his and I'd expect him to be the next to be rewarded if he can continue to show that he deserves it like matip and origi have. Sturridge and Moreno couldn't earn their deal and I'd suspect lallana might be one also who won't be offered anything unless he contributes.

Great business on our behalf and shows we have a happy camp in comparison to other clubs who have players stalling and turning down offers. Erikson, alderwield, Ramsey, koscielny, Hudson odoi, hazard, sane, De gea all recently causing their clubs hassle and public distraction.


1.) 28 Aug 2019 16:52:35
I’m genuinely surprised no contract has been offered before. I have no substance to my claims but perhaps Matip wasn’t happy at Liverpool being the number 4 centre back. He doesn’t get as much publicity as the others so it’s hard to know.

The only fact I do know is he took his chance brilliantly and if he did have any negative thoughts before I would be surprised if he still has them.


2.) 28 Aug 2019 19:21:27
g1dgo, not sure Matip deserved a new deal and had he not upped his game last season or had Gomez not gotten injured at the time he did, not sure Matip would have gotten the opportunities he got, he would be looking to leave now just like Lovren is. Glad for him and for us the penny dropped and he has now become well IMO, undroppable.

{Ed0666's Note - it’s funny that his game improved about the time his contract was up for renewal 🤣


3.) 28 Aug 2019 21:20:41
Come on Ed triple 6, you do know money is always a major issue, right?

{Ed0666's Note - huh?


 

 

21 Aug 2019 23:24:52
Looking forward to arsenal on Saturday after having a full week to prepare, anfield will be the difference, our team is designed to hurt this type of arsenal side at home, they're dreadful on the road too.

I'd want Gomez back in for his pace, fabinho and hendo with either gini or ox. Milner not the best option to start this type of game. I'm not worried about arsenal, they can't afford to start all 3 of auba lacazette and pepe with ceballos too. Maitland niles will be in for a tough day with robbo and mane if he's not given help on that wing. Same on the other wing.

Ceballos looked good at the Emirates against Burnley where he had acres of time and possession, he won't get that at anfield and a slow rash xhaka beside him won't be of any benefit. A CB partnership looking shaky will be dragged about by our front 3 and arsenal will find it hard to get their forwards into dangerous areas.

Arsenal really looked dodgy against Burnley and Newcastle both teams lacking real attacking threat yet they caused all kinds of problems. I can see us cutting them to shreds personally and inflicting a real hammering.

I'm usually very realistic and always cautious so this isn't red tinted over hype, I genuinely feel this is set up to be a big mis match in style.
Thoughts?


1.) 22 Aug 2019 00:46:10
Agree Gomez should play for his pace although i think matip has been r best defender defensively if that makes sense lol.

In midfield I'd play hendo, fab and gini.

We have looked a little shaky at the back at times so far this season and arsenal will have chances and I di expect them to score, but their defence is a car crash waiting to happen, and i predict we will win 4 2.

{Ed0666's Note - Jamie Carragher thinks they will cause us serious issues with their pace and our supposed new ‘high line’ defending. Personally I think he’s jumping on the sky bandwagon. Personally I think we’ll give them a pasting.


2.) 22 Aug 2019 01:10:59
Pepe will start for the first time and he's the anomaly in all this. They're also an enigma at the back. I really rate David Luiz but it obviously depends on if he turns up with his defensive head or his crazy head. I've no doubts that it will be a great game.

{Ed0666's Note - I don’t think they’re an anomaly at the back Epic I think they are just plain shi*. If we can’t beat a team with a defense that poor then we don’t deserve to win the game.


3.) 22 Aug 2019 01:41:12
A full weeks rest is a bonus.


4.) 22 Aug 2019 02:07:18
I wonder would they start pepe though? I think if he started you'd need to leave out either auba or lacazette in exchange for midfield strength, they would be taking a risk going that attack heavy at anfield.

Though they might want to play auba and pepe out wide and try to target our FBs I think that would play into our hands, they gave 2 weak full backs and with no support the likes of Trent salah and robbo mane getting 2v1 at pace would be devastating as it's been the last couple of seasons we've played arsenal at home. Interesting stat that each of our front 3 have scored in every single one of their games in this fixture.

{Ed0666's Note - I hear you mate their wide forwards don’t do the dirty work defensively like Salah and mane and obviously Bobby.


5.) 22 Aug 2019 07:17:38
I'm really looking forward to the game and I have no doubt our lads will rip their defence to shreds.


6.) 22 Aug 2019 09:58:24
Im really looking forward to the game but guys let's not get cocky and overconfident. They have a good team some really good attacking players and loads of pace.

On there day they could really hurt us. History is irrelevant.


7.) 22 Aug 2019 10:49:36
If our defending doesn't improve, Arsenal have the firepower up front to cause us problems.


8.) 22 Aug 2019 14:38:52
O think Gomez will start at Rb

usual practice for Klopp lately for defending team with pace.


9.) 22 Aug 2019 17:37:27
Arsenal have the firepower to cause damage to any team so that is not news to anyone who actually watches PL footie. People said the same thing last season before they came to Anfield and tho, they scored first, that midfield and defence, completely capitulated to our press and fitrepower that they conceded 4 in a 30 mins span. The same good attack, average midfield (Xhaka will make any good midfield weaker) hopeless defence, will turn up at Anfield this Sat, to face the very same attack that ripped them a new one. Sorry, I love our chances under these circumstances. It's not about being cocky. It's about being certain of your strengths perfecting them. Klopp does not allow for such things in his prep. for games and I know we will be fully prepared to bring the pain.

As for our perceived weaknesses in defence and to some extent, midfield, I think it is mainly down to our boys still trying to gel after preseason and with Adrian in goal, who is diff. from Allison. The full week we have had will hopefully allow us to get thing right for the most part and with Anfield rocking to the beat of the Champions of Europe, I am confident we can get the win.


10.) 24 Aug 2019 09:29:29
Yeah I wouldn't say we're being cocky or arrogant just assessing the realistic chances. I was pretty worried we would struggle vs Southampton and would need to grind out a narrow win, I'm much more confident of this game playing to our favour as certain teams suit us to play against.

As silly as some may think, I'd fancy us at home to arsenal more than I would if we were playing Burnley at turf moor for example. Bournemouth too always get smashed by us and city simply due to how their set-up is perfect for us and city to exploit.

Arsenal haven't changed much to make me think we can't run them ragged again in a realistic not arrogant prediction.


 

 

21 Jul 2019 07:33:28
Morning Eds.

{Ed002's Note - WRONG PAGE/}


1.) 21 Jul 2019 09:38:06
Apologies mustn't have been clear in my wording, I was meant to refer to Liverpool in that question I'm sure ha.


2.) 21 Jul 2019 09:52:55
Hahaha this is the Liverpool page and since the 6th European Cup we don't wake up until 12. Clearly a Spurs imposter.


 

 

18 Jul 2019 13:15:38
I'm not one to ever take notice of managers talking transfers with the media as they are never going to give much info.

Klopps latest quote though he mentioned maybe 1 position to strengthen. All along we mention FB and attack as the 2 focuses. If only 1 addition would surely be a forward, maybe signal intentions that Lewis can be trusted as understudy along with Millie of course for LB.


1.) 18 Jul 2019 13:54:10
Maybe the targets wanted are not available this summer and it’s a waiting game until the right player is available rather than any player.


2.) 18 Jul 2019 14:16:43
I think you have to freshen up, even if it's one player. Ex players always say they preferred it when someone was brought in as it gave everyone a buzz.
I remember Chelsea winning the league a few years ago, they stood still that summer and haven't recovered. Our fans keep mentioning Spurs yet they lost 20 last season.
Real want to sell, Klopp likes Asensio, I don't know how much he's available for but I think that would be a good move?


3.) 18 Jul 2019 14:24:20
I don't rate asensio at all, vastly over hyped. What makes you think klopp likes him? I wouldn't see him as a klopp type personally.


4.) 18 Jul 2019 15:31:47
Har_red, absolutely agree with you. Asensio is vastly over rated, much like Alvaro Morata before him, Madrid want stupid money for him and they’re welcome to keep him on their bench. Let some other sucker part with £70m.


5.) 18 Jul 2019 16:04:08
IMO, Asensio has massively regressed and for me, is no longer the player he once was. Maybe CR& leaving had a knock-on effect on his progression. As for who we could bring in, we know we are interested in Max Cornet so that may be who Klopp is referring to as the one option. We shall see.


6.) 18 Jul 2019 20:52:00
He can certainly score worldys and I feel his reputation exploded on some of those goals alone. Goes missing for large periods, zidane did seem to use him regularly in his last spell alright but he's not my cup of tea.


 

 

04 Jul 2019 14:36:31
Just a little thought guys as I was thinking to this time last year what we were all hoping and expecting to happen. With fabinho and keita signed and we were counting down to fekir too we thought the excitement on here and with all fans was great. We all had the idea of fab, naby and fekir as our 3 man new midfield. Looking back now i think personally myself I was naive to think they can function well in the team. We had no OX for the year, hendo wasn't appreciated and we seemed content to get gini out the door. I think we were quite clueless in our ideas of building a strongest 11 in hindsight. Anyone disagree and still think those 3 would have worked together?


1.) 04 Jul 2019 15:46:52
I still believe that midfield 3 would be incredible. Fekir can play false 9 too.

Understand wed need an outgoing player to make space in the squad though so looking unlikely right now.


2.) 04 Jul 2019 15:49:43
I kinda agree Har mate. Although if Fekir did sign last year we would of been over stacked with centre midfield players dont you think? Given all those youve mentioned with Ox and Keta the main 2 to play instead of Fekir. Makes you wonder what we would do with all the midfielders if we do bring in another this window? Which is why I dont get the need and hope for another one to arrive, unless its more of a Winger/ Forward that arrives. Lots still pine for Fernandes or Fekir but truth if the matter is who do we leave out the squad to get them in?

{Ed002's Note - Fekir is not a CM player.}


3.) 04 Jul 2019 16:21:53
Klopp wanted 3 midfielders because he wasn't happy with what he had. Hendo can't play dm. Gini had a really poor season and we lacked midfield goals.

It was a no brainer really as was buying a new keeper and a cb.

{Ed001's Note - Klopp has always used a midfield 3. He used it at Mainz and Dortmund. He wanted 3 midfielders because it enables him to dominate midfield, you are completely and utterly talking bubbles.}


4.) 04 Jul 2019 16:28:40
I guess we learn lessons each year and try and improve.

The biggest improvement last summer was in GK and defensive midfield areas which allowed us to play a more controlled gameplay which tremendously improved our results.

The lessons from this season are that we are already really good! We just need a creative edge in the midfield - which should be addressed by Keita and Ox - and need effective rotation options up front. Sadly Shaqiri and Lallana just don't cut it! We also need a left footed LB backup option.


5.) 04 Jul 2019 16:45:34
Ok Ed I guess what your saying he could play in the N10 but not really suited to covering the rings is he? And Har was referring to a 3 in midfield of Fabinho Keta and him thats all so was just saying we are stacked in that area?

{Ed001's Note - Fekir has often played on the wings. Usually he plays as a forward.}


6.) 04 Jul 2019 17:02:05
True Ed002 about Fekir not being a CM but with our front three being first choice, Mane, Salah and Firmino would possibly have to see Fekir taking up a midfield place if we ever had to sign him like Shaqiri has had to do in midfield.

Think it is fair to say that Fekir will not arrive at Anfield unless we move on a 1st team player as Fekir not going to sign to play second or 3rd fiddle. He will also come at a very high fee and wages. No point in having someone like that on the bench.

It has been mentioned many times by the Eds that we opted for Shaqiri after the move for Fekir broke down last season.

So if we did not sign Shaqiri and opted for Fekir then that might have meant less playing time for the likes of Firmino.

I honestly do not see us moving for Fekir in this window.


7.) 04 Jul 2019 17:24:31
Fair point then Ed001, sorry mate I didnt realise he had or could play on the wings or as a forward player tbh. On the strength of that he would make a lot of sense, lets hope we go for him before he gos to Inter or somewhere else.


8.) 04 Jul 2019 17:42:12
Fekir broke through as a striker and has only transition to a deeper role in last couple of years, like dybala, griezzman type, can drop into deep zones and pockets but he's far from a midfielder. That's my point really he would never fit in 433 unless in false 9 or inside right possibly instead of salah. That 3 were talked about last summer as one of the possible best midfields about, we wouldn't have even made top 4 or past group stage in Europe with that as first choice I believe. I remember klopp tried shaq in the 3 and had to sub him at HT for Milner as we didn't control, I remember before spurs game we were all delighted to see a line-up of hendo with wijnaldum and keita ahead of him, they walked through us. 2 games with an unbalanced midfield, Porto away too we had no control first half until sub at the break. Away to Southampton Milner and Henderson had to come on and we didn't gain control until we did. Fekir would have offered nothing in terms of shape and control and every game keita played without fabinho and either Henderson or Milner we struggled badly. The huge dominant performances were all built on dominating midfield with aggression. Bayern away, Barcelona at home, Chelsea home, United home. Arsenal home. Every game had fabinho with 2 of hendo Milner gini. The loss to city, fabinho was dropped, 2 draws with west ham and Leicester keita played without fab and hendo or milner due to them either injured or playing defence. That spurs game we were outplayed, along with the 2 Southampton results. Loss away to napoli in Europe then lucky draws with Chelsea and city was before fabinho was bought into the fold. Everton United and Barcelona away we failed to score in each. Trent and firmino missed those 3 games which proves what I'm trying to say, when Trent was out, Gomez Milner and Henderson each had to play right back, with firmino out we even had to play gini up top as sturridge failed so miserably, Milner was used at LB when robbo missed out. For a period klopp never had his choice of midfield. Keita is not a tactical controller of play, he needs a Henderson or Milner experience alongside. And Milner hendo and wijnaldum play better with fabinho to complement. If we had full back or attacking options and played with our current midfield we would have picked up more wins. There's a pattern to our poor performances. Last 10 or 12 games, we only struggled in moments when either fabinho Trent or firmino didn't play. A forward and defence back up means a stronger midfield without even signing a midfielder.


9.) 04 Jul 2019 17:45:42
If he joined Id expect hed be used as cover for the forwards when were playing 4-3-3 (as Ed says, Klopp preferred setup against the better teams so we can control midfield), or occasionally he could be used as an attacking midfielder if playing more of a 4-2-3-1. Klopp has occasionally used four more attacking players against more stubborn defensive setups and when weve dominated the possession. In these sorts of situations there would be a clear advantage to having a Fekir type player over a Gini or a Milner playing as a 10 IMO.


10.) 04 Jul 2019 17:56:29
What are you talking about ed (Willis)

Fabinho came in to play the number 6 as Hendo was not playing well/ suited to that role. Keita came in because he wanted a player who can carry the play in midfield. Fekir was targeted to play AM.

Which part don't you agree with

Gini was terrible in 2017/ 2018 season
Hendo is not as his best in the number 6 role.
or at the time we needed Keita to carry the ball in midfield.

Of course he plays 3 in midfield but he wasn't happy at the time with their performances, hence why he let Can go and targeted 3 new players.


11.) 04 Jul 2019 18:07:34
I dont understand where youre coming from Har mate.

People seem to think a 433 is 3 Central Midfielders in the classic sense.

There are lots of variations of the shape of that middle 3, one of them being you have 2 classic central midfielders whilst the other is a CAM no 10.

That formation is where Fekir would come in.


12.) 04 Jul 2019 18:16:04
He aint going to come as a back up SG Red.


13.) 04 Jul 2019 18:16:56
Probably his best position is false 9 so he could interchange with front 3. Also the 4 could play together, there would need to be a sale though.


14.) 04 Jul 2019 18:23:14
Mark, do you know what a false 9 is? If that is the case as you have explained the Fekir would need to take up Firmino's place who is our false 9.


15.) 04 Jul 2019 18:37:38
Firmino won't play 55 games Max. Also as happened this season players were out of form at different times.

Fekir can play false 9 or AM, he would get enough game time IMO. But Shaq or Lallana would need to be sold.


16.) 04 Jul 2019 18:42:50
How will Fekir be a regular starter in Klopp's setup Mark?

Fekir can play up top but he will only sign if he is going to play regularly. I hope you understand that.

So with Firmino, Mane and Salah being regular starters, where is Klopp going to fit Fekir in to start regularly as you are smoking your socks if you think Fekir is goint to be a sub.


17.) 04 Jul 2019 18:43:24
Yeah shaq attack I'm not an idiot. That set up you describe is pretty much a 4231 not 433, the exact point I'm making, he would have fitted easier in that formation that we tried and failed to play well with. Would you think that formation would suit us? Fekir is not a midfield player.


18.) 04 Jul 2019 18:53:48
False 9s! Sweet baby Jesus! Cant we just have one of those players who is fast, skilful, good in the air and puts the ball in the net when another player passed to them. We used to call them strikers I think?


19.) 04 Jul 2019 19:16:30
Casey, should we sign Sharp from Sheffield UTD? It just ain't going to work. Not even Origi plays as a natural striker when he is selected.


20.) 04 Jul 2019 19:34:37
Har, youre being perdantic. 433 and 4321, whatever you want to call it are exactly the same thing, either way he plays no10 in that role, there really isnt any difference.


21.) 04 Jul 2019 19:36:16
Mark, based on your comments, you seem to have NO idea of what a false 9 is as that position does NOT exist. CF's come in different shapes, size, styles and forms. Some are old fashioned target men. Others can occupy the channels and make CB's chase and get dragged out of position. Others do both and press the back line while others can do all of that and drop into midfield and create. George Weah was one of the first to do that after Marco Van Basten retired even tho, Van Basten was not known to press that much.

Bobbie is the guy who does nearly ALL of the things I mentioned above. He is not part of the system we deploy by Klopp. He IS the system. Bobbie may not score as many goals as other CF's BUT that is NOT his fundamental job in Klopp's system. His job is to press the opposition and leave them no time to get on he ball and pick passes. He sets the tone for Salah and Mane to press and harry as well. They feed off his energy and his ability to occupy CB's and drag them out of position. There is a reason why there is near NO CF like him on earth.

As for you saying Fekir is a false 9. That is just operating from a position of ignorance. Fekir and Lacazette were strike partners when they both started at Lyon (taking over from Gomis and Lisandro Lopes) . NEVER A FALSE 9. In fact, Lacazette started on the right wing due to both of these players while Fekir came in later. Fekir then played with Lacazette up top and then dropped into the no. 10 role a couple of years ago when Lacazette left for Arsenal. Again, you seem to say a lot of stuff BUT vknow very little of what you are talking about. Sheesh!


22.) 04 Jul 2019 19:44:15
Hed score more Origi who scored 3 league goals last year by the way but is being fawned over like he was Marco Van Basten

We need Werner from Leipzig. and not as a back up either. Our front 3 are knackered after 2 hard league seasons, a World Cup, AFCON and Copa America. Were going to be up rubbish street if one of them goes down with injury. Praying and keeping your fingers crossed that Brewster is more like Michael Owen than Adam Morgan is asking for trouble.


23.) 04 Jul 2019 20:07:02
Red Wolf I said he can play as a false 9 which is true. The Firmino debate has been done to death. He was very average last season and we still won number 6, never turned up in a final etc etc. I disagree with most of what you normally say. STOP USING THE CAPITALS. Sheesh.


24.) 04 Jul 2019 20:33:12
Red Wolf I think some in here THRIVE ON CAUSING ARGUMENTS MATE for some reason, rather than adding something positive.

Ed001, seems were on the subject mate, do you have and reason to believe we might go back in for NF this Summer then?

{Ed001's Note - not really. The lad wants the move to us and Lyon want to sell him but I don't know of any fresh interest from our side.}


25.) 04 Jul 2019 21:43:14
Fair enough Ed, cheers mate.


26.) 04 Jul 2019 22:06:51
And the winner is. Har-red92. Under the category of "Consistent long essays worthy of a book".


27.) 05 Jul 2019 07:04:02
Replying to the original post.

Bringing in Fabhino, Naby and Fekir ( which didnt happen ) certainly wasnt to displace Hendo and Gini, why would anyone think that?

They were purchased in order to complement the existing team and give us more balance and protection for the back 4 from midfield.


28.) 05 Jul 2019 08:42:38
Do people really see Keita displacing anyone? some bright flashes, but otherwise not very impressive so far.


 

 

 

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18 Sep 2019 00:47:22
I think it comes down to more than just the language, communication and relationships on field can work with understanding and intuition regardless of language. Firmino still doesn't speak comfortable English but you can see him smile, point, wink, laugh, complain with his teammates which is a form of communication.

Keita needs to settle for sure as he's never looked part of this group confidently, but I'm being patient with him as I'm sure klopp is too.

Remember this time last year everyone was calling fabinho a spud and wrote him off even calling for him to move on in January. If keita has the persona to succeed in England klopp will use him when ready, if he doesn't then he will be excluded no doubt. Let's back him until we see that jurgen has given up faith in him.


 

 

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04 Sep 2019 22:41:50
The fact that salah bobby mane etc are ahead of him is kind of the reason he probably wanted out, he wasn't saying he deserved his place in front of them but he still wants to play first team so fair enough that he wanted out.
Just a shame that he didn't act great with the public drama that forced the move. But we move on, no big loss and the player moves on with a big challenge for him to prove he's worth his words.


 

 

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30 Aug 2019 21:43:15
Where is Sami hyypia these days? Is he currently managing? He always struck me as a former player who looks like he has the strenghts to make a good coach and i remember a few years back he was doing decent starting off but no clue where he's at now. ?


 

 

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30 Aug 2019 21:35:49
One thing that has been clear is lovren looks much better beside VVD, as does matip and Gomez. Yet matip and lovren are poor together. The key is when they have a leader, someone to organise and talk beside them they look much better. Lovren and matip don't show those qualities.

Like Ferdinand and vidic were such a good pair as they complimented each other's strenghts.

Henchoz looked good with hyypia leading but put henchoz beside matip for example and they would struggle.

You need the right pairing to suit your players strengths. Lovren and matip have had a much better performance level over the last 18 months with virg than anytime previous.


 

 

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30 Aug 2019 18:55:25
If we want to challenge for all the top honours you need 4 capable CBs over the course of maybe 50/ 60 games. Be a huge risk to let him go, just 1 injury immediately leaves us bare at the back. Lovren is far from perfect but as squad player for backup with his experience there aren't many CBs around with better quality as a 4th choice. 1 more year and then let him choose his next club if he can't hold down a regular spot for us.

This time last year matip was in his position but took his opportunity to claim 1st team spot. Competition is strong in CB and let the young lads have another year of development before we prematurely rely on having to use them.


 

 

 

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18 Sep 2019 02:42:35
That was a great overview of each teams business and it's seemed clear that this summer not many clubs have strenghtened largely, with many actually losing their best talent. West ham, Everton, villa on paper seem to have added and upgraded group of players but yet to light the league up. City have not replaced kompany and weakened at the back, Chelsea couldn't replace hazard or strenghten anywhere in the squad, arsenal haven't improved their weak defence or spineless midfield, spurs haven't dealt with unhappy ageing players running out contracts, signings with hardly any PL experience, United only bring in 3 players, 2 of which defenders for 130mil. Lose 3 times as many squad players without any replacing. Liverpool sign no first team quality. Replace mignolet with Adrian, lose only dead wood squad players.

No team did strong business this summer really. When you compare to last year with us signing strong, city previously adding laporte, ederson, bernardo Silva. Chelsea strengthening with kante, rudiger, kepa. Arsenal even perfecting attack with lacazette and Aubameyang. In the last 3/ 4 years each team have had summer signings strengthen them for the most part, allison, VVD, salah, fabinho, kante, rudiger, kepa, laporte, ederson, B. silva, mahrez, Son, Lucas moura, lacazette, aubameyang, (United no player really an upgrade? )

I just feel this summer that no club has improved what they needed. Ndombele, rodri, wan bissaka, Tierney are the only players I think might actually strenghten in their teams role. Only because they are replacing monreal, Valencia, wanyama, and long term fernandinho. Ceballos doesn't upgrade Ramsey, luiz not koscielny, angelino not delph, cancelo not danilo, Maguire and AWB surely an improvement but unlikely enough. Spurs have still used the same players they've had for the last 3 years, Liverpool same squad, Chelsea weakened squad, city defensively weaker, arsenal strenghtened attack but still as weak at back. United strenghtened defence but weakened attack.

Been a poor window I think for most clubs in England and I'm sure the early closure compared to Europe must play it's part. City needed a CB, United an attacker, arsenal a proper defensive leader, spurs a RB, Liverpool a flexible forward.

We've already seen city are bare at the back, United lacking creatively, arsenal shipping goals, spurs getting exposed, Liverpool with no forward on the bench with origi injured.


 

 

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18 Sep 2019 03:57:16
I think bobby has had much more influence on games since coutinho left even though not drastically obvious. Coutinho loved that inside left space and always wanted to drift into those pockets which I often noticed left firmino going missing or sitting very deep, with mane and salah they like to either go behind the defence or come short in wider areas, firmino then plays his best football with the spaces between CB and MF from the edge of the box to the 40 yards from goal at His disposal, he creates the openings for Trent, robbo salah and mane far more often than we notice. When coutinho and/ or lallana played with him I thought we lost out on his best involvements as they want to play in those spaces too. Our current midfield and wide players don't crowd him out.


 

 

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18 Sep 2019 03:32:42
How I see this topic trying to look without red tinted glasses is that I'd call VVD the best CB around. I'd have allison and robbo in the definate top 3 in their positions with argument of being no.1. Kante is not a DM in the same role or type fabinho is. I wouldn't swap Fabinho for anyone currently, busquets, fernandinho, matic, khedira, have had their success over recent years but no one stands out currently in the position. Mane salah and firmino are perfect for us and I can't rate them as individuals in a different setup team. Each player has doubled their best numbers since playing together for us. Trent is far from the world's best RB as an overall player.

Put firmino up front for juventus, put robbo LB for atletico Madrid, put fabinho DM for bayern Munich, put mane in Barcelona team and you might not see the best of those players. We currently are draining every inch of quality out of their strenghts and making them perform among the best around.


 

 

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18 Sep 2019 02:55:04
To be fair another 3 years left is a long time, no need to panic and try to renew, it's not going to be a situation where he's getting his head turned by Madrid or Barcelona etc, his contract really doesn't hold much importance. Remember 3 years ago we were finishing 7th or 8th outside a EL spot so just envisage what could be different in another 3 years time, no need to throw huge contracts or silly money at him now.

At Dortmund he went from winning the league to spending most of his final season only short time after struggling in the bottom half of the table.
Klopp isn't an individual who works towards his next pay rise and contract benefits.


 

 

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18 Sep 2019 01:45:06
Fabianski is their No.1 and rightly so. If Adrian had the choice to either be first choice at another decent club or be 2nd choice at a superior elite club it would have made no sense for him to sign on with west ham to be reserve for a mid table side.