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26 Mar 2020 10:49:55
This will be unpopular but I don’t think Gerrard deserves his legendary status. He belongs in the “very good player” category. And he really wasn’t always very good since about 2007 on. If he was as good as people claim then he would have led us to a Premier League title, similar to how Maradona did with Napoli or Cantona did with Leeds and then United, or Kanye with Leicester. But the closest Stevie G came was 2014 - which was the year the truly world class Luis Suarez almost did a Maradona for us. Gerrard made that year all about himself as per usual, culminating in the silly huddle for the cameras after the City game at Anfield, being overly-hyped up against Chelsea which undoubtedly led to his title-blowing slip, which by the way wasn’t a slip as such, it was a costly mistake. As soon as he was no longer first choice he was off and yet people call him a one-club man. It’s laughable! Even his stated reason for going into management is bogus - he said winning a league title as a Liverpool manager would make himself feel better about not winning it as a player. WTF? LFC does not exist to make Steven Gerrard feel better about himself!

KloppBoom

1.) 26 Mar 2020 11:12:40
I started to follow footy in 2008 because of the sheer brilliance he showed on the pitch and the enigmatic and romantic persona he carried in relation to the club.

Players like him create fans. They make people love Liverpool football club. There is no point comparing him to Maradona or Scholes or Xabi Alonso or whoever. A LFC fan from a certain generation will always hold Gerrard in a certain esteem that no other player can occupy. It's not a matter of rationale. His decision to stay at LFC when he could have gone to Chelsea or Madrid is enough of a gesture of loyalty we need.


2.) 26 Mar 2020 11:43:40
I stopped reading after that first sentence. My God!


3.) 26 Mar 2020 11:16:35
Load of tripe. Can’t remember Cantona winning the CL with Leeds. Or Kante with Leicester. Or Suarez with us. You give poor justifications for criticisiing a superb player and club legend other than an apparent chip on your shoulder. Easily one of our best midfielders in the modern game.


4.) 26 Mar 2020 13:23:23
I didn’t mean him any disrespect, he was a very good player but not as effective as he should have been. His ego got the better of him. It’s the clubs fault as much as his own.

Klopp is proving that a top class manager is more important to a club than any player.


5.) 26 Mar 2020 14:04:11
I suppose it depends on how you define legend. In terms of him not being a league winning captain, I don't think he can be blamed for that. He only ever played for one manager (Rafa) who was good enough to win the league (yes, I know we were technically closer under Rodgers, but given how mis-shapen we were in the second half of the season and the passage of play against a lot of poor teams, it would've been very fortuitous) and for most of his tenure here the club was run in a backwards and at times disfunctional manner. If we'd had Barnes or Kenny at their peak ability instead of Gerrard, I doubt we'd have won the league either.

Did he have too much power at the club? Maybe. But he was as knobbish as let's say, Michael Owen with his employment of it? Not that I can tell.

The biggest criticism I can think of the guy is that he refused to play in his best position because he saw himself as something he's wasn't.


6.) 26 Mar 2020 19:42:08
Christ mate. You’re ignoring the goals he scored in all the finals? His partnership with Torres in the 08/ 09 title chase? His double digits goals and assists in 13/ 14? Those were all after 2007. And I don’t think you can adjudged a player as not a legend due to him not winning a league title.

Players often revered for “leading” their side to a title are all attackers, your Maradonas, Peles, Messis, Ronaldos. It’s very difficult for others to be seen in that light.


7.) 26 Mar 2020 20:13:23
Gerrard wasn't a very good player, he was world class.
He would have walked into any team on the planet.
When other top players tell you just how good he was, it's because they know, and who would know better than them?
It seems that some people have too much time on their hands at the moment.


8.) 26 Mar 2020 20:38:01
WHAT A HIT, SON, WHAT A HIT!

I'd be interested to know Ed001's opinion on this, since it seems the OP's post is based on info learned on this site.

The general public don't really know about Gerrard's power behind the scenes. It is Ed001's inside knowledge that has let us in on the extent of Gerrard's clique.

{Ed001's Note - I think he deserves it because of what he did on the pitch. What happened off the pitch was down to Rick Parry, who was a weak, inept man and so he let Gerrard become too powerful. I don't think that can be allowed to take away from the good performances Gerrard put in.}


9.) 26 Mar 2020 20:50:06
What has Klopp got to do with Gerrard. why use how great Klopp is to beat a player who served this club brilliantly? will none of the current players get the credit they deserve in years to come because they played under Jurgen? I spent me entire 20's in awe of Gerrard, he was phenomenal. i'd say the amount of times he was less than an 8/ 10 in all of his 700 plus appearances for the club could be counted on one hand. if a liverpool fan can't look back on Gerrards career with us as bathing of beauty then he's wasting his time supporting any football team.


10.) 26 Mar 2020 21:10:37
I knew it would be unpopular! But I stick by it. He had everything but his “I’m the Effin’ man” attitude went against us and him - even when he was the man! He was tough but he always wanted to be seen to be tough. He cost us against Chelsea and spent the rest of the match shooting from distance even though his legs were gone by then. It was unprofessional when so much was at stake.

And he wouldn’t have got into Pep’s Barcelona’s team at the time, Flash, not even at right back.

Sorry.


11.) 26 Mar 2020 21:21:46
Just for a bit of fun to follow up on your response Ed001, which Liverpool era/ team and under which manager do you think Gerrard would have been at his best?

{Ed001's Note - Klopp. Gerrard was so physical and he would have had to learn to work back.}


12.) 27 Mar 2020 07:21:20
Can we make a list of top ten poor posts of the year? I'll kick it off by nominating this one.
You say you didn't mean him any disrespect, but you haven't just commented on an existing thread, you started this one clearly to diminish Gerrard's legacy.


13.) 27 Mar 2020 08:29:52
Someone's forgotten Istanbul.


14.) 27 Mar 2020 11:03:43
"He cost us against chelsea". again, I just stopped reading.


15.) 27 Mar 2020 11:42:44
Not as effective as he could have been? Olympiakos, West ham, ac Milan. He was pretty effective in those games eh. He was easily our most effective player in his time with us. It's a shame we didn't have more Gerrards. We would have won the league every year if we had a team of Gerrards.

How can you say he's in the very good player bracket? He was absolutely world class. Definite club legend.


16.) 27 Mar 2020 19:31:58
Steve G was the best footballer of his generation at LFC but Souness was the greatest midfielder of any LFC era he dictated the pace of the game won his tackles and he scored goals when Souness came on the park in the first ten minutes he would have won midfield battle game over.


17.) 27 Mar 2020 19:46:51
Geez, why do so many of you guys get so easily wound up? He's entitled to his opinion, let him have his say. Of course he's wrong, about Gerrard, if he says he's not a legend. Gerrard definitely is. But if he means Gerrard was not the best player in LFC's history then he's right. In the top 10 of LFC's history? Definitely. Top 5? Maybe.


18.) 27 Mar 2020 23:25:13
I posted a couple of months back that Gerrard would get in the all-time Liverpool team. I'm not talking about his ability. But Steven Gerrard was finished once he became Stevie G.

Did none of you guys see the cringe-worthy interview he did with, of all people, Mourinho, when he retired? Can you imagine say, Robbie Fowler doing something similar with Alex Ferguson, because I can't. Fowler was all about the club and the team. Fowler is a legend. Dalglish is a legend. Gerrard should have been a legend but lost his way after Chelsea tried to sign him.

Anybody who celebrates a goal by screaming "I'm the f@#$%ing man" is an egotist. Pride is the worst of all sins and is usually followed by a fall, or a slip. Post 2005 he played like he was doing us all a favour by still being here. Shankley said "Ive drummed it into the players again and again how honoured they should feel to play for you (the fans) ".


 

 

25 Jan 2020 15:01:50
I don’t think Salah is being purposely greedy. It’s more that he moves so quick and is single minded about scoring that he simply doesn’t see other players. He’s a tunnel-visioned goal scorer who lacks vision for the game around him. Despite his faults he’s still brilliant though! Annoying but class.

KloppBoom

1.) 25 Jan 2020 15:47:12
Salah is a brilliant footballer. An international super star and a world class talent, hands down. The scary thing is that he still has a lot to improve in his game which is mad cos he has already improved in leaps and bound since the time we signed him.

Now, Is he selfish or single-minded in front of goal at times? Sure and yes it is frustrating to see BUT in the end, I would rather have him on my team than a player with WAY less ability who is "unselfish".


2.) 25 Jan 2020 16:08:11
I'd prefer he get into greedy mode at 2 nil. We don't throw away 2 goal leads anymore.


3.) 25 Jan 2020 16:15:29
Redscarface, I do not recall a game where we threw away a two goal lead in the PL since last season. Can you provide evidence of this, pls?


4.) 25 Jan 2020 17:51:39
Sometimes looks also like he’s trying to score the perfect goal? Could shoot earlier than he does.


5.) 25 Jan 2020 18:11:20
A few days ago, Klopp was asked about Hendo and this is what he said :

“With Jordan, I don’t read newspapers, but I heard that people were not happy with this or this or this and I could then react to that. It’s important that I can say I’m completely happy with the performance even when the public perception is different - you get grades that look like you weren’t really relevant on the pitch and if I see it differently, then I tell it to the players. I know exactly what was expected so it’s the more important feedback. If you fulfilled that job, it’s good.

“If he scores two goals, but other things went wrong for example, then I would tell him as well. That’s what a coach does. I need to know about these things so I can work with it. ”

He could just as easily have been talking about Mo or any other Liverpool player. Klopp selects them with a particular job in mind. If they do it, great. If not, he points out where they must improve. If they don’t improve, they will be replaced. I think we can all trust that Klopp knows what he is doing and leave him to get the most out of the players and select the best team for the game to be played.


6.) 25 Jan 2020 18:42:24
Would we be better if we had sancho instead of salah? He’s selfless and always looks for the pass but do we need a greedy player? Would mane get the goals? I think we’d be better but it’s a tough one.


7.) 25 Jan 2020 19:29:17
I don't buy it. Salah is a top footballer, he can see a guy 5 ft away in space. Had salah scored we would not be too worried but he would be just as good, if not better if he had three assists instead of one goal.

Had we drawn that game it would've been a massive issue.


8.) 25 Jan 2020 23:34:29
I have no issues with Salah being greedy, I think every striker needs to be a bit greedy, its not an issue at the moment because we are winning, the problem may be when we are against the cuff in an important game and he is greedy when there is a better option to score. The other problem is if it causes tension with other players, (I hope that isn't the case), but as said above, i feel Salah can get even better, it is actually frustrating watching him because i do feel he can get better and better. I don't think we should trade any of the front 3, they are all integral to the team, and from what I see from games is they all want to play for us, and enjoy playing together.


9.) 26 Jan 2020 13:06:34
I believe we all get frustrated when there is an obviously wide open player and Salah takes on three defenders or a more difficult shot. But it evens out in the end and he is certainly one of the most talented players in world football. He produces game in and out and is actually on a great run of form. I wouldn't trade him for anyone.


 

 

17 Jan 2020 13:56:29
Ed’s and Reds, for a bit of fun: what’s the best goal you’ve ever seen from a Liverpool player. Both an individual effort and the best Liverpool team goal.

I love McManaman’s length-of-the-pitch run and finish away at Celtic and Salah’s header against City this season.

But there must be millions!

KloppBoom

1.) 17 Jan 2020 14:32:45
King Kenny's to clinch the league at Stamford bridge . 1st touch and finish was just sublime .


2.) 17 Jan 2020 15:17:57
Can's bicycle kick goal and Salah's pile driver against Chelsea in recent years. Unexpected and technically superb.


3.) 17 Jan 2020 15:19:14
Gary mac last minute free kick against Everton.


4.) 17 Jan 2020 15:27:27
But if we go back into history (mine), then Kevin Keegan's run down the wing before being brought down by Berti Vogts ("the Bulldog" of Borussia Moenchengladbach) in 1977 at the Champions League final (equivalent) . The penalty led to a goal which led to a win. Got me hooked on to LFC and announced to the World that the club had arrived.


5.) 17 Jan 2020 15:29:35
Emre Can's goal against Watford was spectacular.

For team goal, id go with Coutinho's 2nd goal against Spartak, lovely team move.

{Ed025's Note - terry Mcdermot against spurs for me..


6.) 17 Jan 2020 15:31:38
Gerrard scored a great goal against Marseilles around 2008ish. Ball was played slightly behind him with little pace and he still managed to adjust his body position to sweep it into the far corner of the net from about 30 yards. I'd put it above his Olympiakos and West Ham goals in terms of technical quality.


7.) 17 Jan 2020 15:41:47
I remember a Neil Mellor goal think against the Arse?


8.) 17 Jan 2020 17:06:58
Terry Mac v Spurs three touches from spurs corner the last touch Terry Mac converting and they think LFC today scoring from break always is something new.


9.) 17 Jan 2020 17:17:52
Robbie fowler, on the left hand side, flicks it over him and the defender and lovely finish to top an amazing move. Anyone remember that goal? Surely. The flick was with the outside of the left boot

Trent corner to origi has to be my fave team goal. In terms of what it meant, the cleverness of it and the way we didn't bow down to Barcelona and ask them if they were quite ready for us to score against them.

Loved the Gary mac free kick that beat the keeper at the near post from 45 yards. And mcmanaman goal v celtic was pure class.

A bit more recent, salah goal vs spurs in the dying minutes, when he beat four of them and the keeper.


10.) 17 Jan 2020 17:44:05
Thinking about it i have to change my pick to 'corner taken quickly origi'. 4th vs barca.


11.) 17 Jan 2020 18:19:05
Barnes solo goal vs QPR in 87. Sublime.


12.) 17 Jan 2020 19:54:15
Fowler against villa flicks it around Staunton or both his goals away against utd on Cantonas return.


13.) 17 Jan 2020 20:19:15
Robbiesline I think that Fowler goal was against Celtic, best I've seen, I just sat there trying to figure out how he did it.


14.) 17 Jan 2020 20:43:44
Riise free kick against United sticks in my mind.
Salah against City after Ederson cleared it to him. Great control and an even better finish.
Suarez lob against Norwich.
Mane’s backheel against Watford was it? Different class.
Jan Molby mazy run and 30 yard pile driver I think it was against Utd.
Djimi Traore’s OG against Burnley. Superb!
So so many to choose from it’s impossible to pick just one!


15.) 17 Jan 2020 21:25:09
Whelan’s curled it.83 league cup against Utd in Bobs last season. Ronnie curls one in in extra time. Bob went up the steps first to collect the trophy. I was 8, listening to it on radio and remember crying like a baby when he scored. We won the league same season even though we lost 8.


16.) 17 Jan 2020 21:36:40
Hendersons brilliant goal vs Chelsea, if for nothing else but Marko Grujic's jaw hanging open in amazement from the bench. Priceless!


17.) 17 Jan 2020 21:41:32
I dunno if the fowler was against celtic. I just YouTube it and it's no1 on his top 10 goals (subjective, I know) but the team he scores against is in all red. Trying to think who wore all red back then. Middlesbrough? Weren't Swindon about then? Red AND white I suppose. We were in the cream away kit. What a goal though. His overhead kick against utd? Or was it arsenal? The deft finish. That was lush too.


18.) 17 Jan 2020 22:36:17
Mcmanaman goal vs Celtic made me fall in love and support liverpool BUT. corner taken quickly. brought tears to my eyes.


19.) 17 Jan 2020 23:11:05
Fowler’s flick and volley was in the UEFA cup. Could have been a preliminary round. Against some Scandinavian team, I think. Not many players could have pulled that off, it tells you what a natural he was. It’s a shame he was sold by Houllier.

God, he was brilliant!


20.) 17 Jan 2020 23:27:48
I was there when Gerrard scored ‘that’ goal against Olypiacos. Wins it for me, missed the famous commentary though ohhhh ya beauty.


21.) 18 Jan 2020 00:31:05
Fowler flick over his and the defenders head was in a UEGA cup tie against Brann, I believe.

My favourite, as has already been mentioned is John Barnes 2nd v QPR in 1987.

I also loved the 4th goal, I think, v Forest in the same season when Barnes put it through the legs of Chettle before pulling it back for Beardsley.
That season was something else.


22.) 18 Jan 2020 01:20:26
Luis Garcia half volley against Juventus was a beauty.
We were spoilt for a long time during the Gerrard-Torres-Suarez period as any highlight video of those players goals makes my jaw drop. Recently Sturridge against Chelsea, Emre Can overhead and Fabs piledriver against City.


23.) 18 Jan 2020 03:16:58
I've got a goodun. Very recent. Aoc goal vs genk. Scored 2 I think, both excellent but the dink with the outside of his boot was unbelievable.

Danny sturridge, chip, lob from outside the area. And also the curler against? Leverkusen?

It's so obvious, and Been mentioned I think, but Gerrard volley in the fa Cup final vs West ham was one of the greatest goals I've seen. In terms of what it meant, the technique. And the look on those cockney faces. Forever dribbling spit bubbles. Pure class.


24.) 19 Jan 2020 02:18:48
Hamman volley v Portsmouth.

But what about firmino goal vs man City. Where he budged stones off the ball and drinks a little chip to the far corner. Was that this season? Or European Cup? Brilliant goal.


 

 

28 Oct 2019 16:07:00
Ed 1 - massive respect, I remember you singling out Son as a future star long before he went to Tottenham. He would be a terrific signing for us - I love his attitude and temperament. With Tottenham going nowhere and needing money do you think it is a possibility we might go for him?

KloppBoom

{Ed001's Note - no mate, I don't think there is any chance of it happening sorry.}


1.) 28 Oct 2019 16:47:40
That's a pity. Thanks Ed!

{Ed001's Note - very welcome.}


2.) 28 Oct 2019 17:37:00
He Is a perfect match for us. It's actually a shame for him because at Liverpool he'd become a world renowned breast.


3.) 28 Oct 2019 20:09:23
my girlfriend had a couple of the world renowed breasts you speak of.

{Ed047's Note - and what’s not to love about that!


4.) 28 Oct 2019 22:07:09
I think it would be a huge boob if we signed him. He’d just make a massive tit of himself and get man to mammory marked out of every game.

{Ed025's Note - good stuff BP..


5.) 28 Oct 2019 23:18:22
Just to add my two cents to the real conversation as things are going a bit "t*ts up" here, I have always said that were either Mane or Salah to leave us, I would like us to pout in a near 120m pound bid for Son. He would be perfect for us and a huge star. Won't happen, tho as Ed01 has said.


6.) 29 Oct 2019 13:20:23
He hit the bra on Sunday, too.
I think he'd be tempted by some bigger cups with us.


 

 

 

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I'd like to be sent to King's Landing to warn the Prince of Dorne that the Mountain is only playing possum and to avoid standing too close to him.

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27 Mar 2020 23:25:13
I posted a couple of months back that Gerrard would get in the all-time Liverpool team. I'm not talking about his ability. But Steven Gerrard was finished once he became Stevie G.

Did none of you guys see the cringe-worthy interview he did with, of all people, Mourinho, when he retired? Can you imagine say, Robbie Fowler doing something similar with Alex Ferguson, because I can't. Fowler was all about the club and the team. Fowler is a legend. Dalglish is a legend. Gerrard should have been a legend but lost his way after Chelsea tried to sign him.

Anybody who celebrates a goal by screaming "I'm the f@#$%ing man" is an egotist. Pride is the worst of all sins and is usually followed by a fall, or a slip. Post 2005 he played like he was doing us all a favour by still being here. Shankley said "Ive drummed it into the players again and again how honoured they should feel to play for you (the fans) ".

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26 Mar 2020 21:10:37
I knew it would be unpopular! But I stick by it. He had everything but his “I’m the Effin’ man” attitude went against us and him - even when he was the man! He was tough but he always wanted to be seen to be tough. He cost us against Chelsea and spent the rest of the match shooting from distance even though his legs were gone by then. It was unprofessional when so much was at stake.

And he wouldn’t have got into Pep’s Barcelona’s team at the time, Flash, not even at right back.

Sorry.

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26 Mar 2020 13:23:23
I didn’t mean him any disrespect, he was a very good player but not as effective as he should have been. His ego got the better of him. It’s the clubs fault as much as his own.

Klopp is proving that a top class manager is more important to a club than any player.

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08 Mar 2020 16:04:25
Ed 1, do you remember Leonardo playing left back for Brazil in World Cup 94? He got banned for a horrendous elbow to an opponents face but before that he was unbelievable! Never seen anything like it since. He was really a number 10 but couldn't force his way into the midfield or attack as Brazil were so strong at the time!

KloppBoom

{Ed001's Note - yeah I do remember that. It is probably the main memory I have of that tournament to be honest. He just lost the plot. It just shows how attacking, in theory, Brazil intended to be, though it never seemed to work like that.}


 

 

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25 Jan 2020 15:21:54
Klopp loves him, described him as a “generational talent” after the 5-5 this year.

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