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21 Aug 2021 09:53:17
Sorry but not been on for a while. Noticed a lot of adverse reaction to my posts on CJ. Lots on this site seem to think he is the answer to our midfield issues butI just don't see he is going to be good enough for a title winning team. Hope I am wrong because it will save us a ton of money in the transfer market over the next few years, maybe he is the next Stevie G or maybe the next Ben Woodburn. guess we all need to wait and see.

{Ed077's Note - or he could be your version of Darren Fletcher?}

1.) 21 Aug 2021 11:06:37
Thats a good shout Ed077. CJ can be a very handy utility player for the club in the long run. Like it or not, players like Darren Fletcher would worth their weight in gold in modern day football.

{Ed077's Note - not world class but a very vital member of the team, was Darren Fletcher

2.) 21 Aug 2021 13:33:24
or he could be the 1000s of players that are somewhere in between stevie and ben woodburn. Are you looking for signs of stevie in order to validate that he has place in the squad?

3.) 21 Aug 2021 18:18:19
Not at all Faith, but to become a regular in a (hopefully) title chasing team he has to be closer in ability to Stevie than Ben.
Ed77 do you see that CJ has that level of versatility?

{Ed077's Note - I wasn't trying to compare CJ directly to Fletcher, more so that without being World Class he was still one of the most consistent performer who made a difference to the team. CJ seems to have the heart and desire for LFC and a bit of quality too so he can become a vital member of the squad with the right attitude and application

4.) 22 Aug 2021 04:12:41
ok, he clearly closer to stevie than he is to ben. that doesn't mean that is almost stevie now or will ever be, but it does mean he is miles further along than ben woodburn.

Also he is one of ours. from the acadcemy, from the streets of Liverpool. I'd be giving him far more room to grow than any other player being brought in.

13 Jul 2021 09:55:52
Oli I was just agreeing with ed25 as he made the comment. I tend to agree with him but hope I am wrong and I get the comment regarding Foden and game time. Just my opinion that he won't be a regular in the first team, he is a solid player but has not for me shown enough to suggest he could be special.

1.) 13 Jul 2021 12:06:51
Eh? He's already a regular in the 1st team. He played 34 times last season. Including 5 Champions League starts and 13 Premier League starts.

So what is considered a first team regular? He's not in the best XI when everyone is fit, I'd agree with that. However 34 appearances, 20+ of them starts, means he's already a first team regular.

He also had more goal involvements than any other midfielder in our squad last season with vital goals against Ajax in Europe and Sheffield Utd in the league.

Transfermarkt already have his markey value at Â£27m. He's a bonafide Premier League midfielder already at a very young age and he's only going to get better. Not sure what started this nonsense debate, but anybody saying Jones won't make it at Liverpool needs to give their head a wobble.

It's up for debate whether he'll be a Danny Murphy or a Steven Gerrard, but i'll wager with anybody he plays 300 games minimum for Liverpool. He's not even 21 until next January and he's already played just shy of 50 times in his first 2 seasons in the first team squad.

2.) 13 Jul 2021 12:52:42
So the people who think this haven't watched Jones then? The boy is class and should of played more already.

3.) 13 Jul 2021 12:53:15
There is a "Reply To Above Post" button under each post as well which you should use rather than starting new threads for the same thing.

4.) 13 Jul 2021 12:54:23
Everything MK said.

5.) 13 Jul 2021 13:03:05
The quality of the modern day footballer has taken a dip anyway. Theyâ€™re fitter, but less talented imo.
Just look at national sides like Brazil Holland Germany Argentina Spain. Average players everywhere. It makes it exciting that arguably the worst Chelsea team in the last 20 years can win the Champions League but the quality has dipped, for now anyway.

6.) 13 Jul 2021 13:47:56
I do agree that I think Curtis will be a very good player but I can understand the point OP is making on regular starts. I was happy to see him get game time last season but a lot was down to the injuries and shuffling the midfield around. If we end up replacing Gini, do you think heâ€™ll make 30+ Appearances? I hope so but should he not, sub appearances and sporadic starts wonâ€™t further his development the way we like.

That being said, I still think heâ€™ll be a top player. 300 games is a bold prediction! But hope youâ€™re right!

7.) 13 Jul 2021 13:47:57
But he got the 13 PL starts mainly because of the injuries. I donâ€™t know how many starts Williams had but couldnâ€™t call him a first team regular or Phillips for that matter. Without the multiple injuries at the back I donâ€™t think he would have got 5 starts. I agree he has big potential but he has to bring it, he was only ok for me last season.

8.) 13 Jul 2021 14:03:14
LancasterRed, i'm inclined to think the same mate. If you watch him you can see that he has the composure and reading of the game to play at a high level. He even filled in at right back to see out a game last season and didn't put a foot wrong. If he avoids injury and doesn't succumb to the fame or fortune, he'll be at Liverpool for as longs as he chooses to be.

I fully accept the debate over how good he will be. That's perfectly fair because there are a lot of factors and variables in football. But how can anyone say he won't be good enough to play for our first team, when he is already good enough? That's a truly baffling assessment.

I'm inclined to believe that the reason we've not rushed out to buy a midfielder this summer is because Klopp wants to give Jones, Ox, Elliott, Keita and Cain chances in pre-season to prove they can replace Wijnaldum. I think Clarkson will go on loan which is why i've omitted him. Grujic, Shaq, Wilson and Minamino will almost certainly leave too. There is a real chance for Jones to go out this summer and force Klopp's hand. He went from 13 appearances to 34 appearances in one season! So who is to say he can't kick on again?

Anyway, i'll stop ranting now. Just annoys me when people write off young players for no logical reason.

9.) 13 Jul 2021 14:19:10
True but there's not many 20 year olds ANYWHERE who would be getting many starts if Hendo, Fab, Thiago, Gini, Millie, Ox and Keita were all fit. We have to realise how difficult it is to play regularly here, if Jones was at 75% of the other Premier League teams he'd be starting every week.

10.) 13 Jul 2021 14:31:43
MK, I think heâ€™s definitely good enough for our squad but is he good enough to break our first 11 and get regular game time to aid his development? Thatâ€™s the question that can leave some doubt. I guess time will tell

No need to be annoyed, game of opinions! I recall some on this site people hating firmino whilst others were convinced Kevin Stewart and jay spearing will be first team regulars! Like you said so many factors involved and anything can happen.

Side note, I do hope we sign a midfielder!

11.) 13 Jul 2021 14:32:06
markp08 all i'm saying is give him time. Gerrard at the exact same stage of his career (20 years old, first 2 seasons) had 1 goal in 44 appearances. Jones has 7 goals in 47 appearances. If he has half the career with us that Gerrard managed, he'll have done bloody well!

12.) 13 Jul 2021 14:43:24
Agreed.

13.) 13 Jul 2021 15:29:05
Reyrey, i also hope we sign one but more because i don't trust Ox or Keita to stay fit. That and Milner turns 36 in January.

14.) 13 Jul 2021 15:53:06
MK, Good point, i think if we played with a standard number 10 more often i could see him there, he can turn on 6 pence, drop a shoulder, see a pass and has a decent engine, the thing i like the most, is that his first look when receiving the ball is forward, too many players are side and back players, Its one reason i won't miss Gini in the team, he put us on the back foot or knocked our rhythm, Jones is more positive and has more belief in his own ability to beat someone, something Gini had but lacked the bottle to do.

15.) 13 Jul 2021 17:04:07
Plus last season he was in an under performing team that was unsettled because of injuries.

16.) 13 Jul 2021 19:54:15
OP, your opinion on not thinking CJ will be special is valid. My only response is that it is too early to tell cos he has only had 1 season in the first team esp in a season where it was hell all season long for the whole team. And even then, he more than held his own in the PL and CL. Foden wasnâ€™t doing any of that in his first season for City and it took him 3 years to become the player he is now.

Not saying CJ will be as good as Foden BUT it is too early to tell so slow your roll, relax and let the kid either prove you right or wrong in due time. Pretty sure Stephen Gerard wasnâ€™t lighting it up until a good 2/ 3 years.

Once again, stay away from Ed25. The guy watches LFC players with his eyes wide shut.

{Ed025's Note - my problem is that i tell the truth oli, yours is that you dont like hearing it mate.. :)

17.) 14 Jul 2021 12:47:54
Nice one, Ed25.

{Ed025's Note - cheers mate..

13 Jul 2021 01:27:02
I tend to agree with ed25, hope I am wrong but I don't see CJ quite making it.

1.) 13 Jul 2021 07:56:50
Hes already made it. scoring a winner in the Derby.

2.) 13 Jul 2021 08:40:57
Think he's showed he's good enough to be a squad member at one of the best club sides on the planet. mostly as a teenager! He isn't fully matured yet both physically and as a footballer. Not a chance he won't end up AT LEAST a premier league level player.

{Ed0666's Note - the kid will have a stellar career, hopefully at Liverpool for years to come. I canâ€™t see him get anything but better moving forward. Training with Thiago, Millie, Fab and Henderson every day is supreme schooling for the boy and if he doesent shine going forward and kick on Iâ€™d be shocked.

3.) 13 Jul 2021 08:45:56
OP, if your "I don't see CJ making it" means you don't see him becoming a regular then let us give it time and see what happens. Now if you think don't see CJ making it in the first team then yourself and Ed25 need to get open your eyes cos CJ has played a lot more games than even Foden did in his first season (not saying he's better than Foden) so not sure what that's all about.

Also, not sure Ed25 is the right person thru who's lens you should be seeing these things. I mean, This is the same guy who said Fabinho would not make it at LFC, who said Gini was a dud YET played here for 5 yrs and won the lot, or who said Bobbie does not work hard enuff in his opinion (yeah, he literally said that in a podcast and got laughed at by the other Ed's) . Next time, consider the source before you make your opinion. Just saying.

4.) 13 Jul 2021 09:12:47
When he combines his natural attacking instincts with the other midfield tasks klopp asks he will be stellar. he's been learning how to play the way klopp asks of his midfielders yet we have already seen an eye for goal - he likes to run late into the box and is a good finisher. Last season for a chunk of games when our midfield played in defence he did very well. No pressure but encouraging signs .

5.) 13 Jul 2021 09:43:53
The boy is 20 years old. He is still developing and there is not better place for him to grow. We have only witnessed a tiny bit of what Curtis can do. If youâ€™ve watched him I. The youth teams including the u23â€™s he takes games by the scruff of the neck and takes the p. He is stepping into the first team now and has played a little safe. Once he feels he has earned the right to be in and around the team I feel we will see him out his stamp on the team. Lots more to come.

6.) 13 Jul 2021 13:30:19
Would folks see Jones not making it as they're desperate for an expensive incoming transfer or because they genuinely doubt his ability?
It seems that Klopp rates him highly, and I'd say Klopp is a better judge of player than anyone on here.

7.) 13 Jul 2021 16:46:06
Oli. my own opinion my friend. Just don't see him the same way as you and that is allowed mate. I know you jump on every view you don't agree with but I've only seen a few flashes so far but I'm hoping you are right and he's a revaltion but we shall see. I'd suggest taking everyone's opinion into account though, you can't always be right mate. I thought he was great but his performances tailed off imo but he is young and that is understandable. So I may well be wrong.

8.) 13 Jul 2021 16:47:26
And I meant being a regular in the squad mate.

9.) 13 Jul 2021 20:04:41
Mark Hersey, noting gave an opinion and I challenged it using facts. That is the essence of debate. Nobody is stopping you from giving your opinion. People challenge me on my opinions all the time and I welcome that. It is not about being right as that is the wrong attitude to have in a debate.

Oh and one last thing, I am free to jump on any debate or discussion I darn well please as this is a public forum where we are free to express ourselves respectfully. Or maybe I need to read the terms and conditions of this site once again.

10.) 14 Jul 2021 04:54:19
Mark hersey?! ðŸ¤£ðŸ¤£ðŸ¤£ no one saying you can't join a debate mate. although just because you join doesn't mean you are right! Cheers.

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21 Aug 2021 18:18:19
Not at all Faith, but to become a regular in a (hopefully) title chasing team he has to be closer in ability to Stevie than Ben.
Ed77 do you see that CJ has that level of versatility?

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12 Jul 2021 08:37:23
Agreed as did Phillips, just too defensively minded. Italy were there for the taking imho.

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12 Jul 2021 06:32:02
First time poster here, love the site but it's a bit depressing seeing the animosity against our national team. We are all LFC fans but that does not preclude us also supporting our country. It seems like a lot of Liverpuddlians have a giant chip on there shoulders about something. I love visiting this site but it seems like a lot on here think they are superior to the rest of the country, get a life cos you are not.