08 Oct 2025 21:56:30
10 years ago today, Klopp started a new chapter for the club. With his famous line "We have to change from doubters to believers, now"
Open question for the floor and honestly not looking for a fight lol
Just interested in what that sentence, that rallying cry means to you?
What does it mean to be a believer?
Is it blind faith as the boat sinks to the bottom of the ocean, is it steadfast backing of the team and the process?
Or do you prefer to remain a doubter.
And if so, what does that mean for you and how you support the club?
For me, being a believer means believing in the culture of the club, how we operate is the best model to keep us competitive at the top over the long term.
Amongst other things this includes the profile of player we sign, the coaching group, our playing style, how connected the fans are to the team are all as important factors to me that connect me to the club despite being oceans apart.
So whilst there may be blips along the way, I believe in the journey, doing it the right way and that these blips are necessary steps towards our ultimate goal each season which is to be competing for trophies at the end of each season. Obviously we want to be winning them too :)
How bout you!?
08 Oct 2025 23:12:29
Might add too - for me, being a believer means that I'm not inclined to defer course just because we don't win a trophy. You can do all the right things and ultimately not win every trophy, or even a trophy.
If all the ingredients are there then I'll be right back there next season backing the club to make the next step!
Now if trends develop like they did under Rodgers, Hodgson etc then that's a different story because that is when I start to stop believing in what we're doing and can feel the synergy not quite there and we're primed for a change!
08 Oct 2025 23:21:31
I remember having a conversation with a mate of mine who’s a Spurs fan years ago, must’ve been around 2011-2012.
We hadn’t won the league 20 odd years and were in the midst of the Hicks/ Gillette troubles and Roy Hodgson era. Spurs were, well they’re Spurs.
I asked him if he thought Spurs would win the league in his lifetime and he said no. He said he supports them but doesn’t expect them to win the league or the champions league although he hopes they’ll surprise him.
He then asked ‘Why? Do you honestly believe Liverpool will win the league again in your lifetime? ’ I was a bit confused by the question because in my mind we are the greatest club in England and will always win major trophies even though we were going through a tough time. I answered ‘absolutely! We’ll win loads of leagues and champions leagues in my lifetime’.
That for me is the difference.
To believe is not just to say you believe it’s to feel it. It’s to know it. I’m so proud I was born a red and no matter what happens I will always believe in and trust in this club. I accept you can’t win all of the time but I always know the club and the fans will always pull us back to success and I understand my role in that as a fan.
That’s why I can’t stand it when we lose a couple of games and some so called fans start blaming everyone right down to the tea lady. It’s football, we will always lose some games but it’s the belief that we’ll ultimately be successful that will pull us all through.
08 Oct 2025 23:35:39
"Klopp believer to Arne doubter"
09 Oct 2025 00:19:03
To be fair, Robbo, we have always had recent memories of glory days to fall back on when we are not winning. Spurs fans still hark on about Ricky Villa.
09 Oct 2025 01:13:10
For me it was a rallying call to the crowd and I remember a couple of early incidents that illustrated the point.
In an early game at Anfield - can’t even remember the game - we weren’t playing well and we weren’t winning. Some of the crowd left early after 78 mins. Klopp immediately called it out and couldn’t believe people were leaving with 12 mins to go, he almost shamed them in post-game interviews.
Then I remember a terrible game against WBA at Anfield. We were losing 2-1 in injury time and Big Div scored an equaliser. The crowd obviously went crazy but at the end of the day it was a draw at home versus WBA.
Klopp made the players line up and celebrate with him in front of the Kop. He got some abuse for it externally for celebrating a draw at home versus WBA. But for me, this was Klopp forming a connection with the crowd and the players. Almost saying, believe in us, stick with us to the bitter end and we can achieve greatness.
Then obviously there were the incredible games against Norwich 4-5 and Dortmund at home.
Those amazing tight finishes which Klopp celebrated like he was ‘the goalscorer’ all fed into the ‘doubters to believers’ story.
It was a rallying call to the supporters to wake up from our recent slumber and drive the team on to greatness.
09 Oct 2025 04:35:32
Yeah, the celebration at the end of the WBA game for me felt more like he wanted to thank the fans for staying all the way until the end, rather than the team celebrating the draw. That was at the very beginning of his tenure, I think and also what brought him closer to the fans and made him feel like he was one of us.
09 Oct 2025 04:58:59
I mean give us something to believe. Klopp came in and the changes and things he did changed fans minds. There was progress, there was vision, there were the building blocks of us improving. Right now it feels like we’re regressing - want us to believe? Give us something to believe in. Dreary possession based, slow football game after game, whilst continually shipping goals, ain’t it. We are not the UK’s most successful team because we blind ourselves to mediocrity. The team needs to show fight, work rate, desire to give everything for the shirt - they aren’t showing that. Say what you want about Trent but he did have passion, he did have fight - time for the players and coaches to stand up and he counted.
09 Oct 2025 05:48:40
Regressing? That guy just won us the league few months ago.
I agree that something is wrong. The games we won weren't great, and we lost a few already.
But regressing? Come on man.
09 Oct 2025 07:02:25
I must say that this site has been so boring in the last few weeks! People slagging off the manager and the team non stop. Don’t get me wrong, I understand constructive criticism but some people on here ain’t supporters. It’s embarrassing to be honest. Please turn it in! Also some of the stuff that gets posted is a joke! Surely there needs to be more of a filter! It’s the same people again and again too. Let’s just try and be more positive hey.
09 Oct 2025 07:40:28
What harm are the doom and gloomers causing with their posts.
I don’t agree with the majority of posts on here but i don’t believe it makes me right and them wrong. They just have a different opinion to me.
If people get offended by what a stranger posts who they will likely never ever meet in their lifetime then maybe the internet isn’t the place for them.
Nothing of what we think or post has zero bearing on the club mind.
I personally enjoy reading all the posters (except 1) posts be it the world is ending to the most positive and everything in between.
This site wouldn’t be the same if everyone had the same opinion.
09 Oct 2025 08:18:57
I agree to a point JK but some of it is complete and utter nonsense! Same people, same rubbish being posted again and again! It just makes it a little tiresome!
09 Oct 2025 08:27:05
Salmon I agree mate. But I chuckle at some of the posts.
Some of them you can actually tell who the poster is before you get to sentence 2.
Some of my best banter is with my mates over their support for other clubs. If people want to be cup half full or half empty then I say leave them too it.
09 Oct 2025 08:36:10
JK23, do you not see the irony in saying "if people get upset by random posters perhaps the internet isn't for you? " and then in the same post carry on your vendetta against a particular poster?
I enjoy yours and your rivals posts, because you both speak intelligently and tend to back up what you're saying with a clear thought process, but this internet goading is getting a bit silly now.
As for the original post, I believe klopp was just trying to get the fans to shift their mentality from "we've sucked for ages, I doubt we're going to improve any time soon" to "if we give our full support at all times, maybe it'll give the players that extra 5% that we need to start winning consistently". We can all sing when we're winning, but it takes belief to carry a team through rough patches. It seems quite relevant at the moment with the amount of doubters that have appeared on here after a few close defeats.
{Ed078's Note - stop talking sense RP, it'll never catch on.
09 Oct 2025 08:44:06
Fans of the club will get behind it, no matter how disgruntled they get.
Fans of winning, the bandwagon jumpers will throw the toys out of the pram as soon as the winning stops and start abusing all and sundry connected to the club.
It's quite easy to discern between the 2.
09 Oct 2025 08:51:50
@salmon monkey!
My father was just 18 years old when the Second World War broke out, he spent the next six years away from home, in El Alamein, Sicily, Monte Cassino, Italy and Rome, the war when he reached Germany was thankfully coming to an end.
One of the many things he was standing for was "Freedom of Speech" none or any of your Ilk will "EVER" stop me from expressing "My Freedom of Speech" Full Stop.
09 Oct 2025 08:56:06
If you have already made up your mind on what you wish to read or listen, what is the point of coming to the site @SalmonMonk.
And that’s exactly why some of the posters don’t bother to turn up on the main page and stick to the Live chat.
09 Oct 2025 09:12:20
Rugby no not at all mate. I don’t get upset over it. It’s just a bit of banter on a banter site. I’d happily meet up with any poster at a game for a pint and have arranged to a few times on the live chat.
Some poster (s) like to hold others accountable and dish it out. I’m just doing the same back. Like you’ve just done to myself.
As far as the rest of your post I for one cannot wait for this team to click. Once it happens I think teams could be in for some hammerings. But with a glass half full point of view I don’t think it’s going to Happen soon.
Actually I see us doing a PSG. I think we’ll get through to next round CL maybe end up playing the play off game and peaking around Xmas time onwards and possibly getting that no 7 big ears.
09 Oct 2025 09:43:16
Whether I'm a doubter or believer come purely down to how we play, win, lose or draw. Klopp made me a believer, so did Slot last season. My belief is wavering not because we lost 3 on the trot, but because we have player terribly all season so far even when we were winning. My belief remains though because Slot has shown throughout his career he is adaptable. I believe he can turn it around, at which point those poor performance wins will be invaluable, rather than the beginning of a regression.
09 Oct 2025 09:51:24
"If you are fine with things not working out then, you can go for it"
Jurgen Norbert Klopp.
@Faith, that is one of the greatest lessons Klopp ever taught me.
Love the guy, worts and all.
09 Oct 2025 10:15:54
“Warts” and all.
Never question my English apparently.
09 Oct 2025 11:11:24
Hehehe, it's almost like you deliberately set that one up Oli!
Fair enough lads, if your bickering occasionally gives me a chuckle like it did there, then I guess I shouldn't criticise.
I think you could be right JK, a later-season surge could work well in our quest for number 7, but the worrying thing is PSG could afford to start slowly in the French league because they have very little competition, whereas we don't have that luxury.
I trust that Slot will be studying footage of our last few games very closely over the international break and we'll destroy utd when the league restarts.
09 Oct 2025 14:28:25
Lol JK, no need to guess who your “except 1” poster is, mate! ?? We’ve all got one. That said, I’ve probably got a few now - the obvious one, Harry, and Leeks’ new account. As soon as I see their posts, the gobsh*te radar goes off and I just scroll on by.
Most on here are sound though - even when we don’t all agree, it’s more funny than anything.
09 Oct 2025 14:38:09
RP, let's be clear. Not bickeing with anyone a.
09 Oct 2025 14:39:15
I didn't know your father was German, 007.
09 Oct 2025 14:43:09
Sorry, RP. Pressed send too soon.
Just to be clear, I don't bicker with those who's opinions I do not and will never care for. Please, recognise the difference.
09 Oct 2025 15:22:02
Oli don’t be like that mate.
You’re starting to remind me of my wife.
She doesn’t like me or watch Liverpool games either.
09 Oct 2025 16:52:00
Salah, you forgot me!
Only joking, mate. I think I've agreed with your past half dozen posts, as it goes. You must be doing something wrong ?.
OliRed, whose opinions I do not and will never care for.
Sorry, I couldn't resist ?.
09 Oct 2025 18:25:54
Agreed, most people are spot on and the chat and banter is great. I’ve been on here for years. Let’s just say those with the James Bond penchant post a lot of utter waffle ??.
09 Oct 2025 18:55:30
My apologies Oli, and fair play, you gave up responding to JK a fair while ago.
In the words of someone, at some point, "can't we all just get along? "
09 Oct 2025 23:30:08
OP, from the early 1960’s up to now I have wanted Liverpool to win every game they have played.
From the late 60’s up to the end of the 1980’s I thought that if we played as well as we were capable of we would win.
About half way through Jurgen’s first season until now I’ve thought that if we played as well as we are capable of then we would win. Not sure if that makes me a believer or not but I think it probably does.
10 Oct 2025 10:25:17
Salah agree mate. I remember back in the day we had a heated exchange mate ?.
Top bloke and poster though.
Definitely a LFC banter page night out is in the works.
10 Oct 2025 13:20:28
Sorry, my post was meant for the thread immediately below this one - the 10 year anniversary of Jurgen joining.