29 Nov 2025 16:14:22
Watched a couple of YouTube guys this morning, not the dtupid silly ones either. 1 saying there is a major issue with the players and gvb. His info came from a very trusted source within anfield. The other claiming to of been told this info from within that slot has been informed that he will be given 5 games to prove he's the right man, the 1st game being the psv game and the last being inter away.
So he's down to 4 games. Both you tubers arex of the older generation and fans more than anything so I'm choosing to believe this myself. Heard on here that West ham will be his last no matter if we win or lose, but it could more games yet. Feel we will lose tomorrow anyway.
29 Nov 2025 16:23:58
5 games could completely finish the season. Should have been ended the day after PSV.
29 Nov 2025 16:44:39
I have been told he has the next 2 games and needs to win both….
29 Nov 2025 16:47:47
GVB as in Gravenberch?
29 Nov 2025 16:52:01
I personally agree vv. But atleast they are seriously looking at him now, add that we've alledgely spoken to Julian Nagelsman to step in already. Hopefully he goes and we get a manager to entertain us again.
29 Nov 2025 17:38:21
I've never understood the whole "you have x number of games to save your job"
What if Slot reverts to our system of last year. wins the next 4 games, gets the nod of approval, then changes things up again and goes on another losing streak? Does the board then give him another ultimatum?
All very strange.
29 Nov 2025 17:39:50
GVB = Giovanni van Brokkoli.
29 Nov 2025 17:42:45
Van Bronckhorst Rax.
29 Nov 2025 17:09:14
JLC I don't think our system is massively different from last year. We rode our luck a lot and Salah saved us quite a bit.
29 Nov 2025 17:10:44
He can’t play last year’s system as Trent is gone. People hammered Trent for leaving gaps in defence, but maybe they perhaps now realise how much he had to do with Mo not tracking back at all. Bradley has, bar one exceptional performance, struggled to cope with it - and doesn’t have Trent’s tools in releasing Mo to an early ball.
No Trent means Mac and Mo struggling. Mac’s lack of pace now an issue.
When everyone is fit, I would like to see Wirtz back in midfield, with Grav and Slob holding.
29 Nov 2025 17:44:02
Trent barely featured last year and when he did he was more often than not, poor.
29 Nov 2025 17:48:15
Salah has never given the full back as much defensive help has he should
But that doesn’t mean the RB can walk through games or duck out of challenges.
That’s what Trent got to, and there’s no excuse for that.
29 Nov 2025 17:52:19
Phase two of the rebuild coming up, this time with the right manager in place.
29 Nov 2025 18:10:23
Trent had a nightmare v United, but otherwise was generally our MOM in every game he started - and our form nosedived when he was injured.
Local lad, who was at the heart of all our success - he was one of our all time greats, and made us more successful than other Liverpool born greats of the Prem era.
Sorry, but of the local lads he is above Gerrard, Robbie and Macca for me. He just changed the way the game can be played.
29 Nov 2025 18:48:07
The two games I think showed what Trent brought to the team last year were the games he missed PSG at home and the cup final loss to Newcastle.
29 Nov 2025 19:19:24
Red Flyer you’re talking rubbish it’s like night and day. Salah being the prime example, we broke quick last season, pressed higher and were not depressingly negative in the build up play. There’s a reason why Salah in about five months has gone from the most G/ A to barely getting a touch.
29 Nov 2025 20:24:00
Above Gerrard? You must be too young to have actually seen him play.
29 Nov 2025 20:35:03
@JLC, I agree with you. The idea that you have 2, 6, 10 games etc isn’t how a team / manager should be judged.
The yardstick should be the manager introducing or improving the was in which a team is set up to 0ay that works to the skills and strengths of the players available, that plays (or tries to play) attractive football that people want to watch and that wins.
Two (Villa, Real Madrid) possibly three games aside this season we have been abysmal. We have lacked basic energy, cohesion and any apparent desire to win. The rot set in when we won the PL last year. As soon as we were mathematically uncatchable we clocked off and have been getting worse at an increasingly alarming rate. Slot seems like a decent bloke but it’s time for da change - we are coming up on a quarter of the season being done and we are steadily getting worse with no sign that things will (perhaps even can) change.
29 Nov 2025 20:42:43
Me? I saw Gerrard. Saw Souness, Molby Whelan too. Always felt Gerrard could have been a great right back, but he never cut it for me in central midfield. Too many telegraphed passes, never took control of a key Prem game. Great in cup games, less so in league matches.
I would happily put Hendo and Szob above him as best cms since Souness.
Fine player, but not a leader - rather than dragging other players over the line, I always felt he held them back by saying give me the ball, I am more talented than you. Just don’t think that - against top 6 clubs - he ever seized control of a game.
29 Nov 2025 20:51:50
The football hasn't been as exciting but (as you may remember) my son and I analyze the xG statistics and our analysis shows that actually we haven't deserved to lose anywhere near the number of matches that we have. In fact looking at the xG we should have 24 points at the moment and be 3rd.
Now I know that there are lies, dmn lies and statistics but we haven't been as bad as everyone keeps saying. Watching the games I think we quite often look good until we go behind. There are certainly things that need sorting but I don't think it's quite as big a task as people are making out.
Agree with you @WDW about the clocking off. Quite disappointed about that.
{Ed025's Note - XG wins you nothing just like possession MCH, in fact you could have lost a lot more points than you have only for good fortune mate, please consider this as a reality check.. :)
29 Nov 2025 20:55:38
The nonsense about Trent last season! Our form nosedived? We won the league! Trent was awful last year. He started less than half of the games we played overall. Started 25 in the prem.
29 Nov 2025 22:20:21
Frode I wouldn't go so far as to say night and day. We flattered to deceive a lot last season especially the last 2 months of the season.
Salah has had moments this season but his vision, touch, passing and finishing has deserted him. He's not the same player.
29 Nov 2025 22:58:34
@ManCalledHorse I have seen the XG statistics, and while Liverpool have better XG most of the time, they do not pass the eye test at all.
Additionally, one mistake of the xG is that is cumulative and since we normally shoot more than the teams we play against, we end up with higher xG. It would be better to normalize it by shots or combine it with chances created and big chances missed.
So yes, it is a big task to ask, because as you say, we do not play bad offensively until we go behind. The problem is that defensively and the cohesion between defense and offense is bad points during games and that is not shown in most statistics.
29 Nov 2025 23:13:18
Trent was awful last season on the whole, bar maybe two or three games. As for the ridiculous assertion that he was better than Gerrard, utter nonsense. Never saw him grab a game by the scruff of the neck like Gerrard. He had good moments, but that’s all. Below average right back with an above average right foot.
29 Nov 2025 23:54:46
I think you might have watched a different Gerrard Monster. All opinions of course and I respect yours but mine is very different. Trent was and is a special player no doubt, but there's a reason a player with such vision and passing ability played at fullback. He didn't have the other necessary attributes, even at a basic level to play midfield effectively I e he has immense talent but his deficiencies limited where he could be practically utilised. Meanwhile Gerrard was one of the most completed all round players I think I have ever seen. Comparing Trent to Gerrard, a midfield general who could run all game, was quick, pass short, pass long, thread balls through the lines, finish, score from range, score free kicks, tracked back, good in the tackle all the while almost single handedly leading and dragging our team through 2 decades of relevant mediocrity, is totally unbalanced.
I can't think of a single modern midfield player that can do all those things. Take all the best bits of Szob, Hendo, Trent, Gini, Macca, Fabinho and roll them up into one player and then we might be getting somewhere near Gerrard. Prime
Gerrard in today's market would fetch over £200m easy.
30 Nov 2025 00:07:33
Not one person over the age of 25 calls the Premier League the Prem ?.
30 Nov 2025 00:51:17
Monstersouness - Gerrard may not be a nice person but as a footballer? You need to give your head a wobble.
30 Nov 2025 00:52:34
I just think we need a shoutier assistant manager. Both AS and GVB are just too reasonable.
Nice guy, shouty guy.
Maybe oversimplified but losing Heitinger seems to be the difference for me.
Len.
30 Nov 2025 01:43:30
Trent was awful last year? Besides the fact that your observation is in my opinion quite plainly wrong, the fact that Trent is even on the field affects the way the other team approaches us. I'm not saying he is indispensable but we haven't fixed the way we play to account for his absence.
29 Nov 2025 23:30:54
@Ed025, True but the stats also suggest that Everton should be 15th - that's fairly accurate ;)
{Ed025's Note - the stars will line up now and again MCH, but as they say even a broken clock is right twice a day mate.. :)
30 Nov 2025 06:48:21
'above average right foot', Viktor? Let's be real, the lad redefined the full back position and has been one of the most creative players in the premier league/ one of the best progressive passers in Europe the last few seasons, all this while playing in defense.
I think it's nonsense that the bitterness over his departure has led folks to suggest he contributed little to the title win and that they are glad to see the back of him. I think it's a fact that we miss him, and again I would reiterate that I don't think that he is absolutely indispensable, it's the fault of the recruitment team to not adequately replace his progression from the back in this team.
I personally think that if we had somebody who had even half the ability of Trent to find runners in space or in behind this year Ekitike and Isak would have scored 5 or 6 more goals than we currently have right now.
30 Nov 2025 06:55:35
Monster souness. I think you have spoke the worst load of rubbish on here. Trent was better than Gerrard . give your head a wobble.
30 Nov 2025 08:53:20
Trent’s peak years in the prem by some distance for creativity were 2019, 20 and 22. He was clocking up an assist every three games around that time. In 2024 it moved to one in seven, and in 2025 he was at about one in five or six. He was never a really prolific goal scorer in the league, two or three a season type level. Some of his assists were equally due to the brilliance of Mo and Mane to be fair, he’d ping a pass and they still had a lot to do to convert those chances.
When you go deeper into the stats though he didn’t come out nearly as well defensively or in terms of passing accuracy. The likes of Walker, Reece James and even Trippier were often better than him even in the early 20’s when he was at his best.
So yes we definitely miss the creativity he offered at his best, his best was a while ago not last few seasons, and defensively and in other ways he wasn’t as good as others.
Where we’ve done badly is succession planning. He wasn’t as good and had been on the wane for a while, it was obvious he wasn’t going to stay, and we didn’t have a back up lined up that could stay fit.
Connors stats are well off creatively, a big part of that is due to him playing so few games, Mo has declined massively and we don’t have a Mane quality left sided player to supply. All of which points to having a more defensively sound right back, rather than worrying too much about trying to recreate a Trent from four or five years ago.
30 Nov 2025 09:14:58
Not just the RB getting no cover, Diaz worked his arse off on the left, Gakpo doesn't so both Fullbacks massively exposed, Konate and VVD equally exposed because of that.
30 Nov 2025 09:37:23
Trent's importance surely can't be evaluated purely based on his assists, he would find players in space who would then possibly provide an assist, he was a cheat code to spray the ball wide to the wings early or get the ball through the lines. Putting his pass accuracy next to the likes of Trippier and James is also a bit pointless, because Trent was tasked, by Klopp especially, to be the player that plays the riskiest passes up field, Trippier and James simply were never asked to play those sorts of passes up the field.
Yes defensively he was never brilliant but the team was built in a way to try to attenuate the impact of his deficiencies. All this is to say that comparing Trent to other right backs purely in terms of stats says nothing, really. He offers something that was of huge value to us and the way we play.
Not every coach wants to build his team around Trent, that's perfectly fair, I can imagine Tuchel probably won't ever want to do that, and Xabi looks like he's still on the fence around the issue. Slot last year was also trying to move away from having Trent be the hinge around which the entire team revolves in the build up, though Trent continued to play a massive part. Just because those coaches don't fancy paying the cost of putting Trent on the field, though, doesn't diminish his value as a player.
30 Nov 2025 09:38:17
And by 'recreate Trent from four of five years ago', I think you misunderstand my meaning. I mean we need to replace Trent's ball progression and creation from deep. You are talking about something entirely different.
30 Nov 2025 08:28:00
Talking about stats.
I read somewhere that if it weren't for late goals we scored in the first 5 games we would be 19th.
Though at the time i think we all thought it was just the team needing time to gel.
In some moments you would think. wow when this team clicks were going to destroy. turns out it was ourselves being destroyed.
30 Nov 2025 10:07:01
Monster, Gerrard is an all time first 11 LFC player. No question. It's only a pity that the timing of him going and Klopp incoming did not align. That would have been special.
30 Nov 2025 12:34:17
Monster. Gerrard is among some of the best midfielders in world football. Carried Liverpool for years. Had he gone to United or Chelsea or Real he would of been a superstar. To say trent was above him haha.
Madness. If trent is so special, what's he upto these days? Can't defend really, can ping a pass sure, never scored many free kicks either and not good enough for midfield. You seriously can't compare those 2.
30 Nov 2025 12:45:05
Ternt, Hendo and Dom above Gerrard?! Who let the United fans in?
Gerrard is an out-and-out legend. When people talk about the greatest midfielders of all time, Gerrard's name will always be one of the first on the list. Hendo couldn't lace Gerrard's boots. And while Dom is a very good player, he's still a country mile off Gerrard. If you never saw Gerrard take control of a big Premier League game, then you never watched him mate. You won't be able to convince anybody in here otherwise.
When people talk about the greatest RB's of all time I guarantee you, nobody will ever mention Trent. Ever. Great long ball specialist, good crosser and a threat from set pieces. Outside of that he had no pace, poor ability to run at players and take on defenders, awful one-on-one defending, a lack of consistency, terrible defensive positioning and one of the worst examples of a ball watcher I've ever seen. If I had a 5er for every time Trent forgot to pick up his man I'd be a multi millionaire.
These aren't opinions, these are just facts.
30 Nov 2025 11:51:32
Just goes to show that stats can mean anything you want them to. It doesn’t matter what ‘value’ xG computes, it’s what the score is at the end of the match that counts. We haven’t been unlucky, we are just playing badly.
30 Nov 2025 09:47:44
@Dominican_fan, you won't have seen our statistical analysis which gives far better consideration to the games than just adding up the individual xG values (which is what you get on TV) . I have created an android app which I'm happy to let the ed's have, and yourself since you have been looking at the stats, if you are happy not to distribute further at the moment. (There is a limit to the number of users that the server can support) .
Ed's please drop me a note if you/ df are interested in having it.
30 Nov 2025 14:16:27
With Stevie G (am I allowed to abbreviate his name? One poster had an issue with me abbreviating Premiership to Prem…. ), I do think he was a great. But not in central midfield. His best seasons were under Rafa as a 10 or on the right. Rafa never trusted him in cm, and I think he would have been better for England as a 10.
In cm, I always felt he lacked positional discipline and tried too many Hollywood balls.
And, funnily enough, I seem to remember him playing right back in an early game - and I always thought he could have been an era defining right back.
When it comes to an all-time LFC team, he would be right midfield for me. And Trent at right back.
30 Nov 2025 08:28:00
Talking about stats.
I read somewhere that if it weren't for late goals we scored in the first 5 games we would be 19th.
Though at the time i think we all thought it was just the team needing time to gel.
In some moments you would think. wow when this team clicks were going to destroy. turns out it was ourselves being destroyed.
30 Nov 2025 16:29:30
PB . the fact that you've had to write 3 essays of trents play to justify your love for him doesn't matter . other people can see he could pass a good ball but was a terrible defender and cost us plenty of goals .
he couldn't even get in the England team, there was James, Walker n Trippier all ahead of him . n now he can't get a game for Madrid with their first choice right back out.
30 Nov 2025 17:36:05
Trent is not even in the same stratosphere as Steven Gerrard. The best player i've ever seen in a liverpool jersey. only Barnes nd Suarez's 2 fantastic seasons come close to him.
30 Nov 2025 17:53:56
There were games where we conceded in the last minute too so we could be in the top 4 now if we’ve not lost those games. So let’s have some balance please.
01 Dec 2025 03:13:13
I specifically brought up the point of Trent not playing for real or England, did you miss that? Not every coach will like the plus and minuses that building a setup around Trent will bring and will want a more conventional fullback. So what? Does that make him a worse player or less important when he played for us? i don't think those coaches are wrong btw, it's just what they want from their team and how they want to progress the ball from other areas.
My sense is that you didn't read any of the 'essays' I wrote about Trent and simply repeated a point that I already addressed.
01 Dec 2025 03:28:16
Not ITK at all lol
But just can’t see Hughes, Edwards and co giving a 5 game ultimatum lol
Also, people say we should make a change to save the season? But making a change would literally end the season.
01 Dec 2025 06:48:15
PB . what ever way you wrap it up , its the same line . in your opinion no one is better than Trent but then you don't listen to what other people say about him, if you close down certain arguments to justify your argument.
the fact is Trent was that good, he'd be England's and Real Madrid first choice . yet these coaches don't agree with you, only Klopp thought this but he also let Trents ego go unchecked, walking round in the United game etc.
01 Dec 2025 09:12:21
The United game should be seen in context though. People forget that less than 24hrs prior, RM put a bid in for him to unsettle him. It clearly worked though because his head wasn't in the game that day. Trent has his deficiencies but he did help us win the PL twice and the champions league once.
01 Dec 2025 09:36:23
I never said that no one is better than Trent, I simply said he was a very important player for us and his function in our team hasn't been adequately replaced. Also why should it matter whether he plays for tuchel or Alonso? I only care about what he gave our team and what role he played.
01 Dec 2025 13:01:47
Steven Gerrard was an immense player, one of the best midfielders we’ve had. Definitely top 6. There was one season where he played a lot off the right, and his crossing and goal scoring was excellent. That was arguably one of his best spells but he preferred to play through the middle.
01 Dec 2025 15:52:06
Monster, right midfield would have been his best position. Rafa wanted him to play there but SG wanted CM and got his way. I remember ED01 spoke with knowledge on this previously. I believe so anyway!