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21 Apr 2020 18:31:31
Hi ED001,

I hope you are keeping ok.

I was recently reading the Steven Gerrard autobiography and there were some pages dedicated to his change of position into the 'quarter back' role (as BR used to describe it) . SG had admitted to BR that he thought his performances were slightly off. Subsequently, BR arranged for more detailed analysis. This showed that he was lacking in his head movement and not picking up angles quickly which leads me to my question: In your view are these traits related to age in the way that as you start to get older you naturally become slower (physically and instictively in the mind) less confident and are more focussed on getting the basics of what you are doing correct (especially in an aggressive fast paced midfield) as in SG's case you look up and make angles less? Also if it is an 'age' thing, then what would you advise the older player could do to improve their game - specifically 5 a side (asking for a friend ;-) )

Thanks Ed, would appreciate your feedback.

KPee

{Ed001's Note - no, it was related to his attitude. Gerrard was not one for thinking of the defence and his focus was always on looking at getting set to play passes. Someone like Henderson is constantly looking from side to side, because he is always preparing to cover a break. Gerrard was always looking at where he would be playing a pass or breaking into space. Gerrard was mentally unsuited to the role. He was always slow to react to danger, rather than anticipating it and being in position to cut it out. That is why he so often made those last-ditch tackles that so many fans loved him for. It was poor play as he was caught sleeping and had to charge in. A good defensive player very rarely has to make last-ditch challenges.}


1.) 21 Apr 2020 19:33:27
Thanks Ed, really interesting read.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate. It is something I had said of Gerrard throughout his career. The ability to do anything was there, but his mentality was all about getting the glory, rather than doing what was needed. It stopped him becoming the best midfielder we ever had and also contributed to the club not winning as much as it should with him in the team. Gerrard could have been the complete midfielder if he had just taken more notice of the defensive side of the game. We know he was capable as he had been excellent in defensive positions early on.}


2.) 21 Apr 2020 22:23:33
ed001 where do you put him among the great Liverpool players for me Kenny and Hansen then Barnes are my top 3 players. I know what you mean about getting the Glory the midfield 3 that Gerrard played in was great if I could have any of them now in there peak I would love Xabi Alonso he controlled games great in the middle of the park and I think he would be great in are midfield.

{Ed001's Note - Souness, Keegan and Liddell would be ahead of Gerrard as well for me. I would pick Alonso over him if I was choosing a player to play for me, but for Liverpool Gerrard has to come ahead of him for longevity.}


3.) 22 Apr 2020 13:11:54
Yeah some players don't have the discipline for a defensive role but that's what Gary medel and mascherano and fabinhos are for

If we had Gerrard back in our team he wouldn't be a defensive minded midfielder.


4.) 22 Apr 2020 20:35:56
Spot on, Edo01 regarding SG. There is a reason why Rafa (who spotted all these flaws you have mentioned) wanted him to use all that energy and natural ability to pick a pass and look for what space to play it in, to play on the right wing cos his delivery was immaculate. His goals and assists in the one season 05/ 06 he played on the right were off the charts as well.

SG was miles ahead of Scholes and Lampard in terms of natural ability, athleticism, raw skill, vision and passing range. Neither of these guys can hold a candle to SG, IMO. Had he imply possessed the type of discipline, defensive acumen and attitude that Hendo possesses (and we see how he has become a great player and leader, as a result), he would have been a much bigger force esp. with Alonso next to him cos IMO, he made SG a much better player.

{Ed001's Note - Alonso was an incredible player.}


 

 

03 Apr 2020 18:49:41
Much has been said in the press relating to wage cuts of players at this concerning time, but on a side note it is great to see our players Hendo and Milner taking the initiative to bring the Premiership together to form a charity. We have spoken about the top mentality of our players but it's more important to see the good morality of our players at this time.

KPee

 

 

28 Mar 2020 21:58:48
Hi ED001, hope you are keeping ok despite the crazy and sad situations of late.
As things are slower than normal, I just wanted to request if it would be possible to move the John Barnes player profile up on your priority list? No worries if it's not possible for you to get to at the moment. Cheers.

KPee

{Ed001's Note - I can do that for you mate.}


1.) 29 Mar 2020 10:26:27
I'd like to see that player profile Probably my favourite player and rapper 😉

How do you think he would have got on if he'd been around as a player in this day and age? Pre and Post injury that forced him to change his game winger to centre midfielder?

I think. if he was at his peak playing days in this era, one of our front three would be struggling for game time and he'd be worth around £200 million.

{Ed001's Note - he would be up there with Messi and Ronaldo in this era. With no one trying to break him in half every time he got the ball, as you simply can't do it now, and bowling green modern pitches, Barnes would be unstoppable. He would suffer a lot less injuries, partially due to the lighter tackles, partially due to lower wear and tear on flatter pitches and mainly down to a more professional lifestyle he would have to adopt. Barnes would have to be in perfect shape all the time, rather than carrying a few extra pounds. His diet would be laid out for him etc. It would take his game to a whole new level.}


2.) 29 Mar 2020 10:51:38
Yes Ed001 👍.

{Ed001's Note - he was such a special player.}


3.) 29 Mar 2020 12:00:03
Loved Barnsey! also think formations now would help him. 442 would mean he’s was back in left back positions! Mostly got chalk on his boots as now he could still do that but also play inside, just off etc. more than he did.


4.) 29 Mar 2020 12:02:57
Seriously Ed and lad's could you just imagine a John Barnes in his prime playing for Liverpool there would be no modern day defender that could live with him.

{Ed001's Note - he was strong as an ox as well, so defenders trying to tactically foul him would just bounce off him in the modern era or get themselves sent off trying to bring him down.}


5.) 29 Mar 2020 12:51:38
My favourite Liverpool player of all time. 87/ 88 team played the most exciting football we ever played, in my opinion. We lost Rush and went to another level.
Barnes was always shackled with the "he never did it for England" label. I could never care less. Agree with Ed01, totally. Playing now on better pitches, different rules regards to contact and, as important, better understanding of diet, he would be up there with the very best.


6.) 29 Mar 2020 13:51:29
Barnes did actually did it for England as he was brilliant in the 1086 World Cup so not sure what all the fuss was about, really.

{Ed001's Note - yeah but none of us saw that one, so we wouldn't know.}


7.) 29 Mar 2020 13:59:53
I and so many from my neck of the woods support Liverpool due to John Barnes
What a player only rob jones Comes anywhere close to being my all time fave red but Barnes takes it
He would be near 150m in this current climate easily.


8.) 29 Mar 2020 15:47:56
Ed01, come on man. You had to know that it was a typo and that I meant the 1986 World Cup, right?

{Ed001's Note - oh really? I would never have guessed ;-)


9.) 29 Mar 2020 16:24:25
Thanks ED001, really appreciate it. I have always said Barnesy would be up there with CR7 and Messi so it's good to hear a similar endorsement from yourself. In terms of his qualities he could pick a pass, take a player (or a few on) as though they were not there, take a free kick from a goal scoring position, score goals (including 'rare headed goals'. strange as he seemed to score a few with his head), take pens, had power, pace, reinvented himself to play in the holding role later in career but still made it a success. I'm not sure you could match his attributes to any footballer of this era. ED001 have you ever met him? I have a Crown Paints jersey with 10 on the back. Would love him to sign it one day!

{Ed001's Note - a few times actually, he was always out and about in Liverpool and lived in the Albert Dock for a while. Maybe still does? Always a nice guy and always happy to stop and chat with fans in my experience.

One thing you missed out was his ability to defend set pieces. He was the guy at the near post and cut out probably 50% of the balls played in before they reached anywhere dangerous. Barnes was excellent in the air.}


10.) 29 Mar 2020 16:53:54
Thanks ED001, good point re his defensive qualities.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}


11.) 29 Mar 2020 16:56:55
Hey Red Meister, can I borrow your time machine? ;-)


12.) 29 Mar 2020 17:12:56
miss Barnes!


13.) 29 Mar 2020 19:38:05
Nice one, KPee. Stay safe, my friend.


14.) 29 Mar 2020 19:48:54
Didn’t he score a header from outside the box maybe against Watford or is my memory playing games.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, I don't remember that.}


15.) 29 Mar 2020 23:25:11
Yourself too Red Meister, take care.


 

 

29 Feb 2020 21:32:47
Hi ED001, it would be interesting to hear your views on our performance today. I think there were poor performances all around but we are entitled to some off days. Seems strange that I couldn't single one player out that played well. perhaps Robbo for trying. The loss feels dreadful but the boys have spoilt us somewhat. Cheers.

KPee

{Ed001's Note - it was always going to happen. The loss of Henderson and Milner is a big part of it, as there is no one kicking arse. Virgil is a great player, but he is not a captain, he did not get in any of our player's faces and get them going when it was needed. That was what was missing. Nobody got the team by the scruff of the neck on the pitch and made them wake up and perform. It might turn out to be just what was needed to fire the lads up for the run-in. Hopefully.}


1.) 29 Feb 2020 21:50:40
I totally agree eds1. Only thing that’s really bugging me is the winter break. We have been really poor since then. Would you agree?

{Ed001's Note - we always struggle to get going after a break.}


2.) 29 Feb 2020 22:19:11
We have been poor since the break. But we haven't lost many players to long term injury. I was on the live chat and anyone would've thought we'd slipped into the bottom half. We lost a game. How many have our closest rivals lost? 4? 5?

I thought Watford were good but sarr was incredible. His composure to finish his second was impressive. His movement was class too and his pass to deeney for the third was clever.


3.) 29 Feb 2020 22:45:32
I've worked out why we lost. It was Allison's new hairdo.


4.) 29 Feb 2020 23:37:29
At the end of the live chat today, while everyone was going on endlessly about Lovren, I wrote that there was a complete and total lack of leadership on the field today. It was so apparent . Goes with what you have mentioned Ed01. I'm somewhat disappointed Virgil was not able to take up the baton, though, I must say.

{Ed001's Note - laid back people like him are not suited to those types of moments. It is the way he is. When things are going well, he is the best type of captain, but when people need a boot up the backside it is not his way. Virgil has been brilliant at bringing Gomez on as a player, but it is a different kind of leadership from the kind we needed against Watford.}


5.) 29 Feb 2020 23:47:04
Thanks ED001, interesting point regarding VVD especially. I think it proves all along how vital Henderson really is to us. There has been much discussion on that point and hopefully this will once and for all lay any doubters to rest. Milner is of a similar vein as Vice Captain.

{Ed001's Note - Virgil has been fantastic for us, but even he has his weaknesses and screaming and shouting is not a skill he possesses. There is a time and place for it even in the modern game, for someone to get in the opposition faces and give as good as they get. The thing is that only Lovren tried to give some back and he is getting the blame for the defeat! If more of the team had got in the Watford players' faces like he tried to do, that game might have been different. I mean look at Wijnaldum, Hughes clearly left something on him but, after an initial reaction, he just sulks about it rather than gets after Hughes to give him some back. When Trent was done by Deeney, no one went and gave Deeney any back. Hendo and Millie would have. That was what was missing. We were soft and allowed them to bully us.}


6.) 01 Mar 2020 00:13:13
Spot on. Lack of accountability out there.


7.) 01 Mar 2020 00:26:05
Who is captain after Henderson retires or moves on? I totally agree that vvd is great at keeping the boys calm when we're winning but no so good at firing them up when we're losing.

I think trent might be when he matures and robbo would be a decent shout.

I know what you mean about lovren at least having a go ed01, but he was poor. So were everyone but he was the pick.

{Ed001's Note - he wasn't the pick, he is just the scapegoat. Virgil was far worse, at fault on the first two goals when he stood off and allowed a cross and then stood and whined for a throw in rather than dealt with the play by dropping off. That doesn't mean it is Virgil's fault either. It was every single one of the 14 players that pulled on a shirt. Every single one was terrible. People are just singling out Lovren because he is a favourite target. It was happening even before kick off that Lovren was getting it. He had no chance. It was always going to be blamed on him.

Oh and Trent is too quiet for a captain.}


8.) 01 Mar 2020 06:43:34
One word Hendo. And now you see.


9.) 01 Mar 2020 06:44:18
We're always terrible after any break takes the wind out of our sails and takes away momentum but hopefully we wake up now for Atletico at Anfield and Chelsea in the cup.


10.) 01 Mar 2020 06:45:11
Is there any law against Hendo encouraging the team on the pitch from the technical area?


11.) 01 Mar 2020 02:21:57
Couldn't agree more ED, exactly what I was saying on the live chat that Lovren was being scapegoated despite everybody playing awfully. Some posters said he was to blame for all 3 goals? Ludicrous.

{Ed001's Note - this is the problem, people need to blame someone for some reason. They were all poor and he was just one of 14, but he was targeted before kick off and then afterwards it was like they are all desperate to pin the blame on him for 13 other players failing to turn up!}


12.) 01 Mar 2020 12:50:46
Brilliant analysis, Ed. I for one, love Lovren for the very reasons you laid out. He does NOT hide like many other players (Including VVD) do when things get rough and tumble. He is brave, courageous and ready for a fight. Sometimes that works for him and sometimes it's not BUT true to form, he gets all the blame and VVD goes scott free, AGAIN.

VVD was poor and just as bad as Lovs was but he will get no blame for it cos well, Lovs is the guy people love to hate. Lovs was also out of rhythm as he has not played for weeks BUT who cares, right? VVD needs to get a spine as well cos that laid-back schtick needs to go out the window if he wants to be capt.

We missed Hendo and Milner for sure cos the Watford players were doing our players and nobody was there to defend them and Watford could feel the softness of our boys cos no one clapped back on them and that can't happen. Either way, we lost a game. We learn from it and get better. Peace.


13.) 01 Mar 2020 12:57:22
stoneage, no I don't think there is, but it's not the same as from 2ft away from a player or players, just ask Klopp.

{Ed002's Note - Actually there is.}


 

 

08 Jan 2020 11:25:13
Hi ED001,
I was curious to have your views on Bruce Grobbelaar both as a player and person. The memories that stand out for me is him playing in the excellent team of the 90's where he had a decent defence in front of him. He was a big personality, but in terms of goal keeping he was prone to an error or two. I recall he had sone on field spats with Mcmanaman and Beglin. Of course there were the match fixing allegations where he was proved not guilty. Those are the standout memories for me, but keen to get your thoughts too when you have a chance. Ps if you could please delete my draft post on the same subject. I accidentally clicked the send button. Cheers.

KPee

{Ed001's Note - I loved Brucie. As a player he gave me a few heart attacks like, but he was pure entertainment with his handstands and dribbling past attackers. I only really met him once properly but he was sound then, I was just a kid pestering him but he was really nice and put up with a lot.}


1.) 08 Jan 2020 19:07:33
Did anyone see the thing about the witch doctor and pi####ng on the posts at anfield? Seems an odd fella to say the least. Earliest keeper I remember was dudek unfortunately.


2.) 08 Jan 2020 21:59:29
I have tried to send in the link. Its brilliant.


3.) 09 Jan 2020 08:25:20
As a kid I used to wait outside Anfield to get autographs from the players and there was one particular time when the usual crowd had gathered as Brucie came out. There was some pushing and shoving and Brucie absolutely flipped and started shouting at all the kids.
Usually he was fine and pleasant without being overly nice but that time he was tetchy to say the least but that’s now my overriding memory of Brucie.
Shame really.


4.) 09 Jan 2020 10:05:32
Brucie was genius between the sticks, back in the day it wasnt normal to come rushing out like a sweeper but he was always at it, he got stick when it went wrong but people like Bob Wilson and a lot of other goalkeeping experts had him down as one of the best ever, his shot stopping was second to none and his reactions were unreal,
You didn't play in that side unless you were top drawer.
The only one anything like his class back then for me was up the road at the blues, Big Neville Southall, another of the best i've ever seen by a long long way, im not sure what any of them would have thought of how light the ball is now lol! I remember trialing at Maidstone utd at 16 and coming out 50/ 50 in short shorts and getting a mitre tattoo on the inside of my leg for a week haha!
I feel old now at 46! Them were the days lol!


5.) 09 Jan 2020 17:36:39
He lives in a small community in Newfoundland (eastern Canada) now, and does a fair bit of volunteer coaching with the soccer association in the area. I've taken a travelling team out to that city a few times and gone to watch while he was running sessions with his teams, but never wanted to intrude or said more than a passing hello to him.

For what it's worth, just sitting in the stands listening to him train/ instruct/ coach, he's a pretty sharp communicator and respectful to those players. Obviously has a bit of a checkered past, but seems to live a pretty quiet, sensible life at this point.


6.) 09 Jan 2020 20:51:28
I bumped into him once at a bar and spent half an hour or so talking to him, he was a real gent about being approached and shared a couple of beers - awesome guy.


 

 

 

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Thank you ED002, this is a wealth of insight for us. Much appreciated for you taking the time to update us.

KPee

 

 

 

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25 Apr 2020 19:04:16
Thanks Ed, very interesting read.

KPee

{Ed001's Note - cheers KP.}


 

 

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21 Apr 2020 19:33:27
Thanks Ed, really interesting read.

KPee

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate. It is something I had said of Gerrard throughout his career. The ability to do anything was there, but his mentality was all about getting the glory, rather than doing what was needed. It stopped him becoming the best midfielder we ever had and also contributed to the club not winning as much as it should with him in the team. Gerrard could have been the complete midfielder if he had just taken more notice of the defensive side of the game. We know he was capable as he had been excellent in defensive positions early on.}


 

 

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03 Apr 2020 19:39:10
Thanks ED001, that was really insightful. I was pleased to see Jordan in the top 2. I think his contributions have been more appreciated this season by all and not only LFC fans. He has afterall lifted the CL, WCC, and SC. I think he deserves the PL player of the season accolade. Also he seems to be a very likeable and genuinely humble individual. a quality that often goes amiss in modern day footballers in my opinion.

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03 Apr 2020 18:57:49
Thanks Ed, I'll try but already getting bored. I've saturated watching the movies I wanted to watch, have a day off from working out, and finished the spring clear up in the garden. I am contemplating breaking out my super size Lego Millennium Falcon set but not sure where I would display it once built! Have you anything planned for the weekend at home?

KPee

{Ed002's Note - I understand that many folks are struggling to keep busy - I have to work so it makes little difference to me really - aside from being in England rather than somewhere else. i also have a "to do" list which does include such things as putting up a new postbox. You should all set targets, or organise some sort of virtual get together on social media where you can sing famous Liverpool songs like "You'll Never Walk Alone", "Help" and "Oops Mrs Worthington" as a group. It should be pretty simple for one of you to set up.}


 

 

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03 Apr 2020 18:19:00
Thanks Ed002 for the detailed insight, really appreciated. Please look after yourself also.

KPee

{Ed002's Note - Have a good evening.}