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31 May 2022 12:43:15
Ed002, just seen a rumour that PSG might be interested in Keita, any legs to it or would his past indiscretions rule out a move anyway?

WYred

{Ed002's Note - It seems unlikely to me but their new DoF is working hard to refine their targets.}


1.) 31 May 2022 13:39:27
Is that new DoF Mbappe, Ed002?


2.) 31 May 2022 13:53:07
Please be true. He is ideal for the French league.


3.) 31 May 2022 14:05:43
The new DoF will probably have to run it past Mbappe first lol 😂.


4.) 31 May 2022 14:12:20
Plz be true.

{Ed0666's Note - 2 hopes Bob & no…


 

 

21 May 2022 15:39:27
Ed002, sorry if this has been asked already today. It looks like mbappe is staying in Paris, with Haaland at City could this open the door for Salah to get his wish and be back of interest for real?

WYred

{Ed002's Note - It is possible but right now it seems unlikely. Real Madrid have other options they have been working on but they have to deal with a balancing act that sees departing wide players and bringing in younger players as they work to keep wages down. They could keep just two of their wingers, add replacements and improve on their striking options and some will argue that might be money better spent.


1.) 21 May 2022 18:01:41
When Real get Edwards and change their MO, it is going to be tough to ever be first choice for any player.


2.) 22 May 2022 01:20:54
I agree Edwards leaving is going to be a huge loss, let's hope his successor learn from him well.

{Ed001's Note - why do people rave about Edwards? What has he done that is so special? He doesn't pick transfer targets, he has ended up having to overpay on every target due to the terms we could offer. The wage bill has risen massively under him and he struggled to offload surplus players due to our wages for fringe players being so high. Not sure what is so special about him that has made Liverpool fans rave so much about him.}


3.) 22 May 2022 08:51:04
Never looked at edwards like that ed1 it doesn’t make him look good at all.

{Ed001's Note - it is not all his fault. He had to overpay for targets as the club was hamstrung with a lack of upfront cash to pay, so had to agree to pay more over the term of payment to get the deals done. But that then meant we had even less cash for the next deal. Hence why we are left paying off lots of deals that are already done, such as for Jota.}


4.) 22 May 2022 12:16:13
Cheers ed1 great answer as always.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate. It is a difficult one, he was working with one hand sort of tied behind his back, so difficult to judge him, but what he did was hardly earth shattering. He seems to have rode the Klopp-bandwagon, rather than being a key component of it, imo.}


5.) 22 May 2022 19:10:47
Ed001, I think a lot of people are impressed with the amounts he got for the sale of some of our players - Coutinho, Brad Smith, Jordon Ibe, Dominic Solanke, Rhian Brewster, Mamadou Sakho and others. I agree that some of the purchases from the view of amounts, terms and agents' fees have been quite high.


 

 

20 Jul 2021 16:50:50
No space in the 22 for Harry Wilson or Neco, I'm guessing both are nearing moves. No nat either so he may be closer to the door.

WYred

1.) 20 Jul 2021 16:59:18
Neither Wilson nor Williams have unpacked their suitcases yet.


2.) 20 Jul 2021 17:21:49
Wilson and Williams only arrived yesterday. Kelleher and Phillips not involved either so are both out the door?


3.) 20 Jul 2021 17:42:26
Karius playing so he's our number 1 now.


4.) 20 Jul 2021 18:40:05
I forgot that they were at the euros so came back late. Its been a long day! Either way I'd still expect wilson to be gone by season start.


5.) 20 Jul 2021 18:01:04
Waste of time even starting the season. 1-1 with weed wacker fc and losing to Stuttgart. If we don't sign Oblak, Pavard, Kante, Mbappe and Haaland among others then we'll never get top 4.


6.) 20 Jul 2021 21:07:25
The sad thing is OMM is that there are probably fans posting pretty much that on Tw@tter and won't be joking either.


7.) 20 Jul 2021 21:43:45
I think you mean ‘people’ rather than ‘fans’ Flash.


8.) 20 Jul 2021 22:05:22
100% Flash. I'd call them idiots though not fans.


9.) 20 Jul 2021 18:01:04
Waste of time even starting the season. 1-1 with weed wacker fc and losing to Stuttgart. If we don't sign Oblak, Pavard, Kante, Mbappe and Haaland among others then we'll never get top 4.


 

 

01 Feb 2021 21:32:05
Anything in the minimino to saints rumour ed002?

WYred

{Ed002's Note - H was offered to a number of sides.}


 

 

16 Sep 2020 11:25:36
So apparently Brewster is off to Shef United, I think this is a great deal for all parties personally.

The lad needs to be playing week in week out for a couple of seasons if he is to hit his potential. We get money in now to invest in players that Klopp feels can help now rather than helping in 3-4 years time.

If it works out we will likely have first refusal, the player may be willing to come back as we have allowed him to leave for his benefit. If it doesn’t we have pocketed some cash for someone that hasn’t developed as hoped at the height of his value.

It is smart business all round in my opinion and if there is a buy back figure it will likely be lower than his perceived value in a few years time. And he is working under wilder who will keep him on the straight and narrow.

I am a huge fan of his but if he stuck around is he even going to make the bench? And that just isn’t good for his development.

WYred

{Ed025's Note - your spot on WYred mate..


1.) 16 Sep 2020 11:40:37
Do we have any idea what kind of fee we may be likely to get? What was Liverpools valuation of him?

{Ed025's Note - not at the moment snoots, it will be getting thrashed out as we speak mate..


2.) 16 Sep 2020 11:49:28
Ah, well we Usualy get decent fees, I know it's random but if we could get enough together to bid for patson daka, he looks a good prospect could take game time off our front three I think.

{Ed025's Note - i think if money is available snoots then thiago will be one to be coming in mate..


3.) 16 Sep 2020 11:52:54
We would never buy him back. we need to take that myth away. Let's wish the kid has a stellar career at Sheffield or beyond. At least we aren't making any fake promises to the lad.


4.) 16 Sep 2020 12:08:33
Harry, why wouldn't we buy him back if he proved good enough and there was a position available for him? Truth is none of know what the future holds but do dismiss that we could potentially buy him back seems crazy to me.


5.) 16 Sep 2020 12:08:45
Stop leading us down the garden path ed, I am at me whits end with the thiago buisness.

{Ed025's Note - hes the one jurgen wants mate, i would have thought cover for the front 3 myself but its hard to argue with mr klopp..


6.) 16 Sep 2020 12:28:27
The Lad is good today But he is a proper center forward, something we don't play with. Brewster like Danny Ings is a very good striker. This sale has nothing to do with him needs to prove a thing.


7.) 16 Sep 2020 12:43:44
It’s kinda strange that we let a homegrown out to get Thiago where we are well stocked in midfield unless we are pushing Fab as backup for CB and Gini as CDM.

However, with Brewster going, the cards will be shifting around for movements.


8.) 16 Sep 2020 12:43:53
But harry that's how we play today, in 3-4 years we may have an entirely different system.


9.) 16 Sep 2020 12:54:45
WYred

Sheffield might sell him next summer or maybe in two years, we don't know. Not sure what the clauses are but if there are clauses then the price also decreases. We are not looking at 3-4 years for sure.


10.) 16 Sep 2020 13:30:21
Whilst I wish he stayed, fair enough. If he isn't getting game time and playing every few games for at least 45 mins and starting cup games, I don't blame him. I do think it's a weird transfer as he's HG and looked an absolute baller, played very well for Swansea. I just hope we have a buy back clause in, because if he ends up scoring double digits for SU this season, I'd love him back, we definitely need cover for the front 3, and Ox/ Shaq/ Origi haven't been doing it for me. I would have preferred selling Origi to Villa and keep Brewster, mainly for HG benefit. Oh well, hope he has a great career at SU! Wilder is a good coach and I'm sure he'll do well there.


11.) 16 Sep 2020 19:53:32
Don’t forget about our Japanese pocket rocket! I’d say we are doing well if Brewster leaves and Thiago comes in. Cover for the front three looks like Minamino - ox- Origi- Shaq. That doesn’t look too bad does it? It’s looking possible that Sarr could be added to the mix. That would make a pretty decent window for us!

{Ed025's Note - that cover for the front 3 looks very very weak to me redman, the only one who looks half decent to me would be minamino mate, the other 3 would do well to get a game for rochdale..


12.) 17 Sep 2020 04:22:51
If a deal includes any sort of a buy back that would make him a valuable future option and we get 20 or 25mil income now it can only make sense as it's a risk with very little chance of causing us regret. If you asked me would I prefer thiago in our team for next 2 or 3 years or Brewster I'd 100% say thiago. If the buy back option looks good value compared to his future progression then we could nab a potential bargain when Firmino is no longer our no.9. To receive 20+ for a player yet to play in premier league and only 6months first team involvement at championship level would be silly to turn down. He could either be a solanke or an ings. We would love to have a situation where ings could be re signed at a good price or else be satisfied that we got paid well for solanke and never seek to bring back. Sheffield Utd will know that they can't guarantee to be in a position of strenght in a few years where they could expect to demand much higher fees for him than maybe 30 or 40mil potential buy back fee. The likes of pogba and sancho going on to become so valuable when let go for so little must have frustrated United and city but negotiating with those top clubs made it unlikely they would agree to a buy back where as with sheff Utd it could work out for both parties. Ed are you aware if the likes of iheanacho or moise kean for example were let move with something similar in their contracts as big clubs letting hot prospects leave must want to consider the possibility of future success. Madrid have done this with carvajal, morata and recently hakimi all becoming twice their value over 12 months. Didn't bayern bring gnabry from Bremen at cut price? I'm not 100% sure on that one. Are there many notable big players who were used in that way?

{Ed0666's Note - What I want for Xmas is for you to start using paragraphs in you’re posts.


 

 

 

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10 Aug 2023 07:49:29
Personally I am not too fussed about Lavia, don't get me wrong, I think he has a high ceiling, but I think we already have a promising young DM in Bajectic. I would rather go for someone a bit older that can slot straight in and leave the opportunity open for Bajectic to take in a few years.

We are terrible at progression planning for our youngsters and we have to let them have the opportunity to prove they are good enough.

50m when you have limited resources is a huge risk and surely there is better value out there. Although the market seems to have taken another leap forward in terms of prices this year.

We have missed out on targets before and found, arguably better replacements, salah is the perfect example.

So let's not panic just yet, we need to let the dust settle and then we can review it and see if it was a good/ bad window when it closes.

WYred

1.) 10 Aug 2023 08:15:40
Klopp wants Lavia and the club has been in dialogue with Southamption for a month now.

{Ed002's Note - No they haven't.}


2.) 10 Aug 2023 08:25:56
The debate is no longer about Lavia, you could replace his name with anyone and it wouldn’t change anything.
It has moved on to wider concerns about how the club is run and why we have seemingly refused to strengthen and rebuild the way we should be doing.
The Klopp-FSG dynamic as it stands has reached a miserable, underachieving end - you cannot pair Klopp’s sentimentality with FSG’s acquisition model, nor can you pair Klopp’s 2023 style of play with FSG’s miserly (tbh, downright atrocious) spending levels.
The club is a rudderless ship above Klopp’s level, and is a few departures from being an absolute dumpster fire.


3.) 10 Aug 2023 08:32:12
If there is better value out there why haven’t we A, spotted it and B, gone after it?


4.) 10 Aug 2023 08:48:56
I agree. But, the lack of signings is extremely worrisome. I check in 3 times a day thinking surely today! But i will reserve my judgement for when the window closes.


5.) 10 Aug 2023 08:51:50
Don’t be so reasonable that won’t go down with the cancel kids on here ?

Now watch the irony of the incoming comments.


6.) 10 Aug 2023 08:54:08
What a rubbish window we’re having yet again.

Self destruct mode.


7.) 10 Aug 2023 08:56:13
I’ll reserve my judgement for now. We should have had other deals in the bag for preseason. Shocking club management as usual.


8.) 10 Aug 2023 09:06:19
On that note ED02. what exactly was the club doing all these weeks? Klopp wanted all his signings to be on board before the pre season here were are ready for the new season in less than 72 hours.
As per your info, The club is struggling to offer anything for a center back and all our targets are moving elsewhere. Where do we go from here?

{Ed002's Note - As I explained, the club did approach his representative to see if he would be open to a move and then they approached his club to enquire after terms and what they were asking. After that they carried on talking to his representatives and then made a low ball offer to test the waters. Southampton have made it clear what they want and are unhappy with being screwed around - hence discussions with Joe Shields at Chelsea and Manchester City. As to where next, the first discussion will be about another offer and whether the club have the stomach for getting involved in an auctio; next might be to fill the other midfield vacancy - perhaps Gravenberch. Then look to DM options if they lose out on Lavia. Liverpool stepped back from Thuram but could look again; but the price will hurt them. I don't know of any interest in Dewsbury Hall from Liverpool but perhaps Tyler Adams will enter the thoughts - albeit he now has permission to discuss terms with another club. Amrabat has gone has an option. Adding a versatile player like Gravenberch or Thuram first means that there will be cover for DM.}


9.) 10 Aug 2023 09:36:09
Brilliant info Ed02. Doubt Thuram would be any cheaper to Lavia, if that was the case he would have been signed months ago. And he is not even remotely a DM. Gravenberch is not a DM either. Kone won't happen and we screwed Sporting over Ugarte.
If klopp wants Lavia give it him. Its that simple. why screw around. We priced out Nat Philips who hasn't kcied a football for over two years for three windows and here we want Southampton to budge their asking price. Hillarious.
Anything on Defenders ED02. It seems we are very quiet on that front. We need an LCB and a good one else we are finishing midtable again

Thanks again ED02.

{Ed002's Note - Thuram plays regularly as a DM player. Gravenberch has also played as a DM player. You maybe want to try and think about not trying to trash prospective Liverpool players. Nothing has changed regarding defenders.}


10.) 10 Aug 2023 09:37:56
If Lavia isn’t happening any idea of who is next on our list of alternatives or is it a case of the current squad is what we’re going to go with.

{Ed002's Note - As I mentioned, for me I think the next move will be to add another midfield player who is versatile and can play at DM if needs br - Gravenberch is a good fit for that, is well priced, and is available with Liverpool having shown an interest. I think Tyler Adams would be a good option and even though he has permission to speak with another club, Liverpool could consider him. I am not sure the club would be willing to go back to look at Varela (in talks for a move elsewhere where a WP would not be an issue) or Florentino Luis (buy out clause is huge). Llorente is no longer an option. As I mentioned, Andre Trincade was recommended to Liverpool as Fabinho cover a couple of years ago, but he is not a realistic option before January now - and even then it is complicated. Kalvin Phillips will likely stay for now unless Manchester City look to a replacement.}


11.) 10 Aug 2023 09:38:19
Lavia doesn't do anything Bajcetic/ Morton can't do so doesn't even improve our squad, let alone best XI. So looks like Todd might save us with his blank cheque book!

Hopefully we move on to Gravenberch now, who probably does improve the team as he's actually more experienced than Baj and Morton. I don't rate him further forward though as his first touch isn't consistent enough to operate with his back to the opposition but when he's facing the play he's a good young player who would slot in well next to Trent in the 3-box-3 system we're hell bent on persevering with.


12.) 10 Aug 2023 09:48:36
Kalvin Phillips still being considered Ed002?
Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester City want an upgrade but were shocked at the price of their first choice so for now, or at least until they find someone else, I expect him to stay there.}


13.) 10 Aug 2023 09:59:09
personally looking forward to Lavia securing a move to somewhere, anywhere. just get the saga over with so we can move on and get this season going! I hate that the window is still open after the season starts, let's get the business done and then just play!


14.) 10 Aug 2023 10:09:44
Thanks Ed002, if Man City offer for Lavia do they get 20% of their money back (sell on clause)?

Makes a difference to their offer.

{Ed002's Note - They can invoke a £40M buy back clause if he is for sale next year or take 20% of any sale to another side - so if Liverpool buy Lavia for £50M, £10M goes to Manchester City. Meaning Southampton still get their £40M. The same happened with Livramento, although a much larger cut went to Chelsea. Additionally, development club payments need to be made in both cases.}


15.) 10 Aug 2023 10:27:55
Cheers Ed002 great reply and really appreciate.


16.) 10 Aug 2023 10:34:52
I think we'll sign Lavia and Chelsea will sign Caceido or Adams or even both.


17.) 10 Aug 2023 10:46:47
Lavia doesn't offer more than Bajcetic/ Morton? Prefer Gravenberch to Lavia?

MK, I love your hot takes. Up there with your Neves, Rabiot Mount midfield dream.


18.) 10 Aug 2023 10:49:12
Faith, my money would be on Lavia going to Chelsea to warm the bench with the last generational teenage midfielder they signed for big money after he had 5 good games (Chukwumeka) .

{Ed002's Note - The posts are getting more and more embarrassing.}


19.) 10 Aug 2023 11:11:01
I just say it as i see it Ed002. I've been consistent about Lavia throughout even when Liverpool looked favourites. He's not a £50m player for me and its a huge gamble to pay it and hope he will be.

{Ed002's Note - It is going to be even more embarrassing for those who thought him "world class" yeasterday and a worthless waster today if the transfer to Liverpool goes through.}


20.) 10 Aug 2023 11:32:08
Has anybody called him a worthless waster Ed002? Far as i've seen i have been his biggest critic on this site and all i've said is he's good for his age but not worth anything like £50m. He's a £10m player in my mind. No better than Carvalho was when we signed him last summer, or Gomez in 2015, or Origi in 2014. I don't agree with signing teenagers with half a good season for that sort of money, and i don't think my opinion is unreasonable. For £50m i expect a player with at least 2 or 3 years of evidence behind them at relatively good level. If he on and does well at either Chelsea or Liverpool I'll admit i was wrong.

FPF, i never said Rabiot, Mount or Neves were my dream midfield. You're making things up which is very crass and disingenuous of you. Mount i said to steer well clear of and Neves/ Rabiot i said would be good choices from the players available and in our price range. Neves did disappoint me moving to Saudi though, as at his age that shows a huge lack of ambition. Regards Lavia, what has he done to suggest he's better than our own young midfielders? He had about 5 good games last season. Similar to Bajcetic last year and Morton the year before.

{Ed002's Note - Huge amount of abuse about him has been deleted this morning.}


21.) 10 Aug 2023 11:55:57
Well said Ed002. Lavia is what klopp wants clearly, and at 19 has potential for him to progress. Obviously at 19, barring a few exceptions to the rule, must players at that age are raw and still learning their trade.
At this time we have no DM, or at least with no experience. Bajetic is also young, has the makings of a great player but is injured and also needs competition.

Baz.


22.) 10 Aug 2023 12:32:15
Fair enough Ed002, and that's disappointing to hear. He doesn't deserve abuse.

{Ed002's Note - I agree.}


23.) 10 Aug 2023 14:03:39
It’s hard to tell bajetics best position though. He did well covering fabs, but was probably even better when he played further forward. Promising talent for sure but not yet clear where he’s best position is.


 

 

07 Jul 2023 21:21:23
Doff my hat to you ed014, I don’t even think you were trying to get that many bites.

Ed’s please join the posts, fat finger syndrome!

WYred

{Ed014's Note - sorry mate, I’m not that techie! ?

They’re the gift that keeps on giving! ?‍♂️?


1.) 07 Jul 2023 22:48:32
Oh well I just look like a numptie to the page, but think most knew that anyway ?.

{Ed014's Note - I’ll doubt they’ll even notice and if you don’t say anything, I won’t! ??


2.) 08 Jul 2023 09:09:22
Just had a look at the Man Utd banter page and ed 14 when are you taking them out your pocket? Absolutely battered them ???.

{Ed014's Note - not any time soon ??


3.) 08 Jul 2023 12:13:45
Very funny ed 14. But a little too easy.


 

 

07 Jul 2023 21:20:43
Ed014 rattled a few on the united page ? great thread to read.

It has someone wondering why united stories turn up when you search united in a search engine. That’s like me as a teenage boy questioning why naked woman kept cropping up when I searched, you can fill in the blanks might be young impressionable kids on here!

Or the united fans talking about history after berating us for years, I d.

WYred

1.) 08 Jul 2023 10:40:41
WYred, Utd fans are easily triggered, IMO. There is a podcast I watch with a fan representing each of the Big 6 clubs and the Utd fan is so easy to get to, it's insane. He just can't stand when the others get to him.

@Ed14, can you just offer a summary of what you said on their page? Pretty please?

{Ed014's Note - I can’t remember Oli it was yesterday ??


2.) 08 Jul 2023 12:59:30
Oli just go read it, it won't bite ?.


 

 

17 Jun 2023 08:52:42
Martin Tyler is leaving sky sports! Please get Peter drury in to replace him. Tyler used to be good but recently he has just sounded like he lost interest in the sport and it wasn’t just us, some of the clips of other teams was equally as bad.

WYred

1.) 17 Jun 2023 09:02:39
WYRed, I hope you are right. Tyler doing an LFC game with his chuckle bro. G. Neville is like pulling teeth. If LFC scores, it feels like Tyler just had a tummy ach with how he reacts to it.


2.) 17 Jun 2023 09:49:59
Be replaced by a female.


3.) 17 Jun 2023 10:05:36
And she'll do a better job than Tyler

He has become very difficult to listen to lately.


4.) 17 Jun 2023 10:25:40
Tyler and Stelling will not be missed in the slightest just wish Steve Macca could join them the horrible worm. In fact the only pundits I have missed would be Hansen mark Lawrenson was hilarious and Chris Kamara. Might miss Souness sticking it to Keane and Richards though.


5.) 17 Jun 2023 10:27:16
Should've gone 5 years ago.


6.) 17 Jun 2023 10:43:07
He is awful.


7.) 17 Jun 2023 10:49:02
He's a complete joy vacuum, unless his precious United score.


8.) 17 Jun 2023 10:57:11
Boy you guys are bitter and easily wound up if a commentator gets under you skin so easily ?.


9.) 17 Jun 2023 11:20:19
I love Souness.

I remember he was stuck in traffic and late to the studio once and Jamie Redknapp tried to slag him.

" Not the first time you've been late Graeme"

Souness got really thick and replied,

"You could have done with being late once or twice in your career buddy, too bloody nice, your problem"


10.) 17 Jun 2023 14:05:22
No 1230 Sat kick offs and no Tyler commentating on our games so as long as we keep the wind out and the grass not too wet or too dry then we should do the quadruple next season without losing a game.

Can’t wait for 24/ 25 season now.


11.) 17 Jun 2023 14:36:38
I've been happy in the States with Arlo White followed by Peter Drury. Always liked Derek Rae and Tommy Smith when ESPN did Champs League.


12.) 17 Jun 2023 14:45:45
Str8talker I agree so much on Steve mcmanaman he is such a tool. Try’s to talk so posh but he forgets where he’s from.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair he is from Bootle so he is posh.}


13.) 17 Jun 2023 15:50:27
Best news in a long time …… Tyler gone!
We turned the sound off if he was commentating, he was horrendous .
Imo, Neville and Carragher should follow him.


14.) 17 Jun 2023 15:56:44
He might take up offer from mutv???.


15.) 17 Jun 2023 16:09:44
I think there's a Waitrose in Bootle.


16.) 17 Jun 2023 16:34:58
Why the dislike of all these commentators? Tyler was pretty good at the job, but like so many of them: never really analysed where the momentum of a match was going. The shame is that the pundits good with analysis don’t get to commentate, but just provide post-match analysis. Commentary would be so much better if likes of Mad Roy and Mad Graeme provided the commentary - spotting tactical shifts etc. Cricket commentary is way better because of this (though, obviously a much slower game) . I’d far rather Lineker was a commentator AND a pundit.


17.) 17 Jun 2023 23:24:39
Mcmanaman is from Walton Ed not Bootle.

{Ed001's Note - he was definitely from Bootle.}


18.) 18 Jun 2023 08:29:42
Maybe Laura woods to replace him? She’s leaving talkSPORT and is a lot better than him. And better to look at.


19.) 18 Jun 2023 10:53:35
Macca is like Owen on commentary. Severely painful to the ears.

@420, Arlo White and Peter Drury are awesome. Lived in the States and those where the PL commentators on NBCSN at the time. Glad you still have them and can enjoy them as good as I did.


20.) 18 Jun 2023 11:31:52
I always liked Steve McMahon when he was on, despite his condescending attitude towards whoever he was talking to/ with. Made some sense at times. I know many on here don't like him.


21.) 18 Jun 2023 14:29:33
If “a female” was qualified for the job it would be no issue for her to get it.


 

 

21 May 2023 15:50:10
Ed001 what's your opinion on the decisions yesterday?

I finally got to see the highlights and personally feel that they only one they got wrong was the offside call.

The mings one, he gets the ball first and although high, is no different to the Jota one. Yes the still pic looks awful but you can only judge it on the play. If the ref sends him off it wouldn't be overturned. I'd stick it in the orange category.

But the offside is baffling to me, the villa player goes to intercept the pass and it then goes to VVD. They need to remove subjectivity as much as possible, personally if it touches an opposing player, it should cancel the offside. You'd get some really unlucky ones but at least we know where we stand.

Make the rules simpler for the refs and fans and there might be less contentious issues.

WYred

{Ed001's Note - I am with you on that, rules should always be what they are and not subjective. Yes it might be bad for you sometimes, but sometimes it will work in your favour as well. At least though, as you said, it makes things simpler and everyone knows where they are.

As for the decisions, I think you are right, the rest were arguable, which means you should just go with the on-field decision and get on with it.}


1.) 21 May 2023 17:01:09
Of course The Villa player hasn’t intentionally tried to play it to Vvd but he’s intentionally gone to play the ball so goal should have stood.

Any intercepted back pass goal could be ruled out on this basis as no player intentionally tries to play it to the opposition player.

Offside should be a simple rule but the powers that be make a rod for their own back by massively over complicating things.


2.) 21 May 2023 18:03:46
I think the positive from yesterday's game was that we had the stomach to keep coming back at villa in the 2nd half after a torrid 1st 40mins and also every decision going against us. Pre march we wouldn't have had it in us to keep trying to force a goal when things going against us.
Tend to agree with wyred on the decisions, although hendos v easily could've been a pen, he made contact with his ankle and didn't touch ball. Couldn't understand why gakpos goal ruled put at time and still can't. Mings no different til jota's other day, a yellow correct in both cases for me.


3.) 21 May 2023 18:10:55
Heard Mings was the same as jota a few times now! i know, jota could have easily been a red but we've all tried to drag a ball down like jota and at the last minute someone sticks a head in, it happens but is mostly accidental even as i said by the rules of the game it could have easily been red. Mings on the other hand, in my opinion knew that winning the ball first would probably allow him to plough his studs into someones chest and stay on the field. Also, as much as its probably wrong there's players who get more benefit of doubt depending on what kind of player they are and in these cases i have to say i don't think Jota's a dirty player whereas again, in my opinion i think Mings likes leaving a bit in there.


4.) 21 May 2023 18:44:29
One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Just because the officials missed the Jota call doesn't justify the Mings decision. Mings was a clear cut red, period.


5.) 21 May 2023 19:18:10
Stone, the thing I want most from officials is consistency.

If mings gets nowhere near the ball yesterday he's gone, but he's won the ball and then there is contact. Obviously not a nice one for Gakpo and you can debate if there is malice or not, but Jotas was similar. He got the ball then clattered the player. Unfortunate but in football these things can happen.

Both got a yellow and may have been lucky not to see red. I'd put both in the orange category. But in both instances the ref gives a yellow first and then VAR doesn't overturn it. Both are subjective but same result.

For me I think it would have been worse if they did send Mings off yesterday as we would all be questioning what's right and what's wrong. A precedent seems to have been set and we will see if they stick to it.

However, I will never understand the offside and how that can be viewed like he hasn't made a play at the ball. As I say, the rule should be changed and be done with it.


6.) 21 May 2023 18:39:00
Ed01, The PGMOL have now essentially created a new rule (within the one on the books) to cover for their refs' incompetence blunder on the disallowed goal. The rule states that if a player deliberately plays the ball in the direction of an oppo. player who's offside and he picks it up, it's a new phase of play hence, no longer offside. Salah scored vs Spurs in 17/ 18 when Dier passed it to him in and offside position. Thierry Henry scored after Gerrard played the ball to Pepe Reina and Henry intercepted it in 05/ 06 so there's your precedent.

Now in order to cover for an inccompetent ref and VAR official, they have now added "intent" or "he intended to clear it BUT did not intend to clear it TO Van Dijk" into the mix which has never been a thing to begin with with how the rules in general are applied. They made that up out of nothing. Which is why VAR in England is a shambles, IMO. We will see what they do when the next time this happens to a team not named Liverpool.

@Jude, I see what you are saying regarding the Jota incident in comparison. The problem here is consistency. Haaland did the exact same thing to a Palace player and no red was given. Dermot Gallagher came out to cover for the ref and said it shouldn't have been a red. Same thing happens with Jota and the same Gallagher comes out, says the ref made a mistake and that it should have been a red for Jota. See what I mean? Also, getting the ball first and then severely injuring the player no longer protects you from punishment but again, lack of consistency. Not only that, the goal posts seem to change when Liverpool is concerned, IMO.


7.) 21 May 2023 19:33:26
WYred, winning/ touching the ball first no longer protects you from being punished for severely endangering the safety of another player which is what Mings did to Gakpo with the stud marks on his chest to prove it. What Mings did was dangerous play, end of.

But again, I get it. The lack of consistency is a problem cos I bet you in any of the next set of games next week, the same thing will happen and a player will get sent off for it this time.


8.) 21 May 2023 20:39:32
Wyred, I agree about consistency. I think we all thought we were lucky that Jota was not sent off at the time and most believed he should have been sent off. To me they were both red. But, just because the officials missed the Jota does not excuse Mings. Good discussion.


9.) 21 May 2023 22:59:51
I think if you look at both incidents (Jota and Mings) you’ll see they are very different. Jota raises his foot to get the ball but the player comes in from the side so he had no idea he would do that.

Mings is more head on so he can see the player coming and knows that by raising his boot he will catch him on the follow through.

Personally I don’t think either are a red card but Mings would be more a red than Jota’s.

The offside thing is just baffling they seem to change that rule by the week!


10.) 22 May 2023 09:09:07
I was watching on a weird channel and whoever the commentator was should honestly have been fired on the spot (I put the game on mute) after he said of the potential Ming's red that they might have gotten confused over whether to award the red for last man tackle or the high foot and decided it was easier to not give the red ?.

So the logic now is we wanted to give 2 reds but can't and we couldn't decide which red we wanted to give more so we gave none hahaha. The standard of commentary is actually atrocious.


11.) 22 May 2023 10:24:44
PR as is the standard of refereeing. The game is becoming farcical at times. The players all do it now tho and the refs allow it. The introduction of VAR has had a very detrimental affect on the integrity of the players and the game. I don't like to see our players doing it (Hendo against Villa being an example) but like I said all teams are trying it on. Sad to see.


12.) 22 May 2023 10:05:29
That's it lads, it the consistency that drives fans nuts. There's been so many wtf moments this season with officiating you'd think something would be done

I mean, in theory, VAR is a great idea. The match officials miss things:
- play was too fast to see something
- ref too far away
- players blocking view
- looks like a foul in real time - replay shows a player threw himself to the ground
These are the things that happen and officials miss - completely understandable

The issues though
- when an official misses something right in front of them; the Silva foul on Salah was right in front of the linesman - he misses it and somehow VAR misses it? Really? I mean, every single person watching at home saw it as a foul
- when VAR decides not to get involved - likes of Dermot Gallagher gets up and explains the rules as to why VAR was right to not get involved
- when VAR decides to get involved, for an identical issue as above - Dermot Gallagher again gets up and explains the rules as to why VAR was right to get involved, completely contradicting what he said the week before
- and, just like the 2 examples above, there are numerous examples of VAR making one call one week, only to make a different call the next week on an incident that is exactly the same - each and every time Gallagher and the PGMOL praise VAR and the officials for getting it right
- the biggest gripe though is when VAR misses something so blatantly obvious to the millions at home watching the same replay; like the Rodri handball: cost Liverpool the title and could have saw Everton relegated - i'm sorry but the apology given ain't fixing that! The Lindelof 'handball' against West Ham, as blatant a penalty as you have ever seen, but nothing?

Look the officials miss things, but VAR shouldn't - it needs a complete overhaul as the officiating in this league is horrendous and seems to fluctuate depending on what team you support with some smaller teams getting shafted in comparison to larger teams and then the connundrum that is the 2 Manchester teams.


13.) 22 May 2023 10:05:29
That's it lads, it the consistency that drives fans nuts. There's been so many wtf moments this season with officiating you'd think something would be done

I mean, in theory, VAR is a great idea. The match officials miss things:
- play was too fast to see something
- ref too far away
- players blocking view
- looks like a foul in real time - replay shows a player threw himself to the ground
These are the things that happen and officials miss - completely understandable

The issues though
- when an official misses something right in front of them; the Silva foul on Salah was right in front of the linesman - he misses it and somehow VAR misses it? Really? I mean, every single person watching at home saw it as a foul
- when VAR decides not to get involved - likes of Dermot Gallagher gets up and explains the rules as to why VAR was right to not get involved
- when VAR decides to get involved, for an identical issue as above - Dermot Gallagher again gets up and explains the rules as to why VAR was right to get involved, completely contradicting what he said the week before
- and, just like the 2 examples above, there are numerous examples of VAR making one call one week, only to make a different call the next week on an incident that is exactly the same - each and every time Gallagher and the PGMOL praise VAR and the officials for getting it right
- the biggest gripe though is when VAR misses something so blatantly obvious to the millions at home watching the same replay; like the Rodri handball: cost Liverpool the title and could have saw Everton relegated - i'm sorry but the apology given ain't fixing that! The Lindelof 'handball' against West Ham, as blatant a penalty as you have ever seen, but nothing?

Look the officials miss things, but VAR shouldn't - it needs a complete overhaul as the officiating in this league is horrendous and seems to fluctuate depending on what team you support with some smaller teams getting shafted in comparison to larger teams and then the connundrum that is the 2 Manchester teams.


14.) 22 May 2023 11:27:49
Fully agree redflyer.

What I will say is that personally have been impressed might be a stretched but not appalled on the way Howard Webb is speaking about the issues.

I think he is aware that the standard of reffing is not high enough and we need specialists in the VAR room.

Ed001 and or Ed002 I would be curious on your thoughts on Howard Webb in his role and whether he is the right man to improve the overall standard of reffing and the utilisation of VAR?

{Ed001's Note - no he is not the right man, no one from within the PGMOL is the right man. They are an old boys club who need to be broken down and booted out of the game. It should be independent of them, no one from the refereeing group should be involved. Until it is independent, you can't trust it on decisions or that it will make the necessary changes as they will involve tearing down the PGMOL's involvement.}


15.) 22 May 2023 11:41:50
People go to courts of law to determine intent
Even then it’s usually contentious and debatable
Yet the ref believe by looking at a video they can determine intent of players….


 

 

 

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14 Aug 2023 19:18:38
We are going with a spider keeper this year and using Ali in DM, he is excited by the switch in position and can't wait to showcase it against Bournemouth. He was willing to move to Chelsea but after they got two shiny new ones he was no longer interested in the 15 year contract they were willing to offer.

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We are going with a spider keeper this year and using Ali in DM, he is excited by the switch in position and can't wait to showcase it against Bournemouth. He was willing to move to Chelsea but after they got two shiny new ones he was no longer interested in the 15 year contract they were willing to offer.

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14 Aug 2023 10:54:48
If true, and then he does end up picking chelsea, it would be an awful look for the negotiating team.

Caicedo was worth a shot, and we would have got the go ahead from the agent (at least I expect so) to go after that deal. Imo, that's just football and you move on.

However, if you wanted a player for £45m, moved on to someone over twice as much, to move back to the oringal player for 15m more, and still don't secure the player because he prefers Chelsea. It would definitley leave a sour taste in the mouth and really put the pressure on the powers that be.

Alternativley, we get the player for £60m and still look a bit foolish for not just paying the £50m they originally asked for.

As I have said in a previous post, there is a scenario where both Liverpool and Chelsea overpay on their targets by about 15m because they each got involved in the other deal instead of just biting the bullet and accepting the selling clubs terms. I. e. 50m for lavia or 100m for Caicedo.

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13 Aug 2023 18:21:24
I presume the payment structure needs to be considered when some players are deemed too expensive.


2 players may be 50 or 60m each. But one club may want the bulk of the 50m upfront whilst the other is happy to have it over a couple of years. Any clubs budget will vary depending on the cash they have on the initial outlay and it will then impact other signings.

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12 Aug 2023 21:16:33
I thought this length of contract was banned or have I mis-interpreted the rules?

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26 Feb 2024 07:54:32
I think it should be called the Jurgen Kop stand. Doesn't alter the name but a nod to a manager who (hopefully) firmly puts us back on our perch.

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22 Feb 2024 11:35:52
If Anfield reaches those levels bill 6 of them will be as good as done! Not done a CL night but I would imagine it's close to the levels of noise of last night. That noise/ memory will stay with me for a very long time.

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22 Feb 2024 08:20:59
We need Anfield like that for the rest of the season, it was incredible especially those 15-20 minutes of the second half. Got a few games before our game against city but I hope they get one of those special welcomes and Anfield is like that all game. If it is, City have no chance.

Whatever happens between now and the end of the season just enjoy the ride. Klopp is a once in a generation manager and we have been super lucky to witness it.

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05 Feb 2024 14:16:33
Thanks Ed033, a big fan of the live chat. Yes it can get tetchy at times but that's what football can do to us. Don't get on as much as I used to but getting to discuss the game and share opinions with other fans really adds to watching the game from the comfort of your home!

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01 Feb 2024 11:56:32
Just on the penalities, I don't think the first one is a pen. There is contact but not sufficient to bring him down. It's not the stonewaller that people are screaming for. The second was a much tighter call but I think the chelsea player going down like he had been hit with a sniper from the Kop made it difficult for VAR to overturn.

It's one of them, if either were given I don't think VAR would overturn them. There is a huge amount of subjectivity in football which makes 100% accuracy impossible, but last night I could understand the logic they followed. Mic'ing them up is going to help the experience massivley.

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