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01 Feb 2021 21:32:05
Anything in the minimino to saints rumour ed002?

WYred

{Ed002's Note - H was offered to a number of sides.}


 

 

16 Sep 2020 11:25:36
So apparently Brewster is off to Shef United, I think this is a great deal for all parties personally.

The lad needs to be playing week in week out for a couple of seasons if he is to hit his potential. We get money in now to invest in players that Klopp feels can help now rather than helping in 3-4 years time.

If it works out we will likely have first refusal, the player may be willing to come back as we have allowed him to leave for his benefit. If it doesn’t we have pocketed some cash for someone that hasn’t developed as hoped at the height of his value.

It is smart business all round in my opinion and if there is a buy back figure it will likely be lower than his perceived value in a few years time. And he is working under wilder who will keep him on the straight and narrow.

I am a huge fan of his but if he stuck around is he even going to make the bench? And that just isn’t good for his development.

WYred

{Ed025's Note - your spot on WYred mate..


1.) 16 Sep 2020 11:40:37
Do we have any idea what kind of fee we may be likely to get? What was Liverpools valuation of him?

{Ed025's Note - not at the moment snoots, it will be getting thrashed out as we speak mate..


2.) 16 Sep 2020 11:49:28
Ah, well we Usualy get decent fees, I know it's random but if we could get enough together to bid for patson daka, he looks a good prospect could take game time off our front three I think.

{Ed025's Note - i think if money is available snoots then thiago will be one to be coming in mate..


3.) 16 Sep 2020 11:52:54
We would never buy him back. we need to take that myth away. Let's wish the kid has a stellar career at Sheffield or beyond. At least we aren't making any fake promises to the lad.


4.) 16 Sep 2020 12:08:33
Harry, why wouldn't we buy him back if he proved good enough and there was a position available for him? Truth is none of know what the future holds but do dismiss that we could potentially buy him back seems crazy to me.


5.) 16 Sep 2020 12:08:45
Stop leading us down the garden path ed, I am at me whits end with the thiago buisness.

{Ed025's Note - hes the one jurgen wants mate, i would have thought cover for the front 3 myself but its hard to argue with mr klopp..


6.) 16 Sep 2020 12:28:27
The Lad is good today But he is a proper center forward, something we don't play with. Brewster like Danny Ings is a very good striker. This sale has nothing to do with him needs to prove a thing.


7.) 16 Sep 2020 12:43:44
It’s kinda strange that we let a homegrown out to get Thiago where we are well stocked in midfield unless we are pushing Fab as backup for CB and Gini as CDM.

However, with Brewster going, the cards will be shifting around for movements.


8.) 16 Sep 2020 12:43:53
But harry that's how we play today, in 3-4 years we may have an entirely different system.


9.) 16 Sep 2020 12:54:45
WYred

Sheffield might sell him next summer or maybe in two years, we don't know. Not sure what the clauses are but if there are clauses then the price also decreases. We are not looking at 3-4 years for sure.


10.) 16 Sep 2020 13:30:21
Whilst I wish he stayed, fair enough. If he isn't getting game time and playing every few games for at least 45 mins and starting cup games, I don't blame him. I do think it's a weird transfer as he's HG and looked an absolute baller, played very well for Swansea. I just hope we have a buy back clause in, because if he ends up scoring double digits for SU this season, I'd love him back, we definitely need cover for the front 3, and Ox/ Shaq/ Origi haven't been doing it for me. I would have preferred selling Origi to Villa and keep Brewster, mainly for HG benefit. Oh well, hope he has a great career at SU! Wilder is a good coach and I'm sure he'll do well there.


11.) 16 Sep 2020 19:53:32
Don’t forget about our Japanese pocket rocket! I’d say we are doing well if Brewster leaves and Thiago comes in. Cover for the front three looks like Minamino - ox- Origi- Shaq. That doesn’t look too bad does it? It’s looking possible that Sarr could be added to the mix. That would make a pretty decent window for us!

{Ed025's Note - that cover for the front 3 looks very very weak to me redman, the only one who looks half decent to me would be minamino mate, the other 3 would do well to get a game for rochdale..


12.) 17 Sep 2020 04:22:51
If a deal includes any sort of a buy back that would make him a valuable future option and we get 20 or 25mil income now it can only make sense as it's a risk with very little chance of causing us regret. If you asked me would I prefer thiago in our team for next 2 or 3 years or Brewster I'd 100% say thiago. If the buy back option looks good value compared to his future progression then we could nab a potential bargain when Firmino is no longer our no.9. To receive 20+ for a player yet to play in premier league and only 6months first team involvement at championship level would be silly to turn down. He could either be a solanke or an ings. We would love to have a situation where ings could be re signed at a good price or else be satisfied that we got paid well for solanke and never seek to bring back. Sheffield Utd will know that they can't guarantee to be in a position of strenght in a few years where they could expect to demand much higher fees for him than maybe 30 or 40mil potential buy back fee. The likes of pogba and sancho going on to become so valuable when let go for so little must have frustrated United and city but negotiating with those top clubs made it unlikely they would agree to a buy back where as with sheff Utd it could work out for both parties. Ed are you aware if the likes of iheanacho or moise kean for example were let move with something similar in their contracts as big clubs letting hot prospects leave must want to consider the possibility of future success. Madrid have done this with carvajal, morata and recently hakimi all becoming twice their value over 12 months. Didn't bayern bring gnabry from Bremen at cut price? I'm not 100% sure on that one. Are there many notable big players who were used in that way?

{Ed0666's Note - What I want for Xmas is for you to start using paragraphs in you’re posts.


 

 

28 Aug 2020 06:41:15
Thank you for the update Ed002, if Mane does leave do you think Chiesa would potentially become an option or they heading elsewhere?

WYred

{Ed002's Note - Federico Chiesa (RW/F) much more affordable than Sancho for Manchester United and of prior interest, but Inter remain keen although talks are now on hold. Radja Nainggolan will be offered to Fiorentina as part of a deal for Chiesa which could ease the transfer through. But Inter feel it is taking too long and may turn elsewhere. Fiorentina are willing to sell in the summer. Should it happen at some point, he would be a direct replacement, has similar attributes to Salah, is liked by Klopp and, although Liverpool have shown no interest. Inter to push for a move for him as soon as they can. And that is the move the player has wanted. Sarri desired the player when at Napoli and he wanted to improve his options at Juventus but it would mean moving on both Douglas Costa and Bernardeshi first - although they are still trying even though Sarri has departed. Napoli remain in some turmoil and unattractive to players whilst they get their act together. Milan interest runs hot and cold, and money could be an issue. Prior interest of Napoli and Roma has gone due to the asking price.}


1.) 28 Aug 2020 08:50:08
Plays on the right and Salah has a dead left foot. We need a Left-winger.


2.) 28 Aug 2020 09:45:49
Tyrion Lannister, that left winger we need is called Robbo.


3.) 28 Aug 2020 09:53:43
The knowledge shows no bounds, cheers ed002.


4.) 28 Aug 2020 10:19:05
Chiesa is deceptively good with his weaker foot. He'd be fine either side.


5.) 28 Aug 2020 21:50:04
My god, season starts this weekend. The team is ready to go, stop planning without our front 3. They will be there for the season and future. Champions.


 

 

25 Jun 2020 22:31:55
There will be an influx of posts but enjoy it lads and lasses this has been 30 years in the making. Times maybe slightly odd but enjoy it with those loved ones around you and hopefully we can enjoy it together in liverpool soon.

At times over my time supporting liverpool I thought I'd never witness this and there has been difficult moments but to all involved and especially Jurgen, Danke and prost to the champions of 19/ 20!

WYred

 

 

16 Aug 2019 11:31:31
Adrian a doubt for a Saturday, apparently a fan ran in to celebrate, slipped and took him out. A decision will be made tomorrow.

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22 Feb 2021 19:10:14
So with the possibility that this will be all over mid June (absoloute best case) what are peoples views on having a parade?

We joked last year of what itd be like if we had a poor season and then had a parade but it looks like that will be a real possibility.

Personally I'll be going if I can, we didn't celebrate properly last year and I have been waiting my whole life to celebrate winning it. I know it'll be the butt of many jokes and rival fan banter but I don't really care.

Just intrigued on other liverpool fans views?

Hopefully a massive parade will also be motivation to want to do it all again!

WYred

1.) 22 Feb 2021 19:46:08
Nah. No parade unless we win the champions league.
It’d be embarrassing when City are already 19 points infront of us and rising.


2.) 22 Feb 2021 19:50:29
What is the meaning behind a parade for a title won 12 months ago, and a title that has a new champion since then? It looks not just a bit but very much hollow, to me. But then I'm not a Liverpudlian, so I will not assume to know how the residents feel about it. Maybe it still means a lot.


3.) 22 Feb 2021 20:02:59
No way. it will be a massive mistake to do a parade now. Next time yes.


4.) 22 Feb 2021 20:04:00
No parade. An it pains me to say it. We wait 30 years, and then can't celebrate it properly.
However by the time we can, somebody else will be the champions.
Id be using the fact of no celebrations with the fans, as a way to motivate next year!


5.) 22 Feb 2021 20:33:42
We will do a double parade after we win our next PL or CL along with the 2020 title.


6.) 22 Feb 2021 20:35:22
It’s been and gone!
Anyway this season is the real asterisk season 😉.


7.) 22 Feb 2021 19:32:10
Wyred it will be very interesting to see what the club do regarding this. Personally for me I think the ship has sailed. But I’m sure thousand and thousand of fans will disagree so would turn out for such a parade.


8.) 22 Feb 2021 21:10:30
Appreciate the opinions chaps, maybe it’s because it makes me regret not going to the CL one that I am clinging on to it so much.


9.) 22 Feb 2021 21:12:56
Think instead of a parade we should do a testimonial game after the season and get as many of the title winning squad as possible involved, donate the profit to some of the local charities that have been screwed over in the past year.


10.) 22 Feb 2021 21:19:01
Hjikle, good shout that, maybe split the team in half and fill the squads with people that have gone above and beyond in these trying times.


11.) 22 Feb 2021 21:57:45
The way the squad is playing that game has a 0-0 draw written all over it 🤣.


12.) 23 Feb 2021 00:30:47
It's one of the biggest disappointments of this season, that the club and fans haven't had the chance to celebrate the victory together.


13.) 23 Feb 2021 10:27:33
Agree with the sentiments here, and the overall conclusion. I'm like you, WYred, in that I didn't go up to Liverpool in 2019 for the CL parade and really wanted to celebrate the EPL after so many years, but it's not to be.

Any sort of parade now would be in bad taste, unless of course we win No 7 :)


14.) 23 Feb 2021 10:53:53
your probably right but we will see how the club deal with it. i think it will be even worse as the likes of United fans will revel in the fact we won it and couldn't really celebrate it. fingers crossed it's not another 30 years!


 

 

21 Feb 2021 12:38:16
I want to make it clear before I start that I am not blaming our current predicament on no fans as everyone has the same problem.

But I think the lack of atmosphere is creating the impression that our performances are lacklustre (at least more so then last season) i liken it to watching a thriller/ horror without its soundtrack the movie would seem a lot less intense then intended.

Now I can't comment on other games as I don't really watch them any more but when watching us pre C. V. if one of the full backs bombed forward or Bobby did a few tricks you would have the fans on the edge of the seats and the instant feedback of 40 odd thousand to accompany it, providing the impression that we were relentless or smothering teams. Now you just have nothing so if it dwindles out its forgotten about. The only thing that seems to excite at the minute are goals (and even then I've stopped celebrating due to VAR, but that doesn't need going over again, we all know we hate it) .

Again, I'm not saying we have been perfect or trying to defend the performances just trying to make the point that the lack of atmosphere (soundtrack) to a game means everything seems diluted and therefore less exciting. So when watching one of our games at the minute its compounded by the lack of noise imo. I'd love to watch a game pre C. V. on mute and I bet its very similar to what we are watching at the minute. The only difference between us this season and last is converting chances and grinding out results. I honestly don't think there is a huge difference performance wise. You tend to look back that we were a swashbuckling team, but we were maybe like that on a handful of occasions the rest were methodical waiting for an opportunity to create a chance. But that approach only works if your players convert those opportunities.

WYred

1.) 21 Feb 2021 12:58:43
I get your post WYred but our performance in a lot of games have been lacklustre. That’s not to say there are reasons for this. One being our players are well and truly knackered both mentally and physically. Injuries and form have meant we can’t rest players like Trent or Robertson for example, which inevitably leads to those “small muscle injuries” we have been picking up. Add that to the major injuries we have and lack of squad depth then you end up getting games with a lack of intensity.

The other obvious factor would be the defence. VVD and Gomez allowed us to be further forward, with us virtually playing most of our games in the opposition half. Our full backs essentially played us wingers without fear of being countered, which meant our forwards constantly had the ball fed to them. This was also reinforced by having Hendo and Fab in the centre of the park. Then it’s form and results I would say. Winning games breads confidence, which kind of ties into the point of the mentally and physically knackered. It’s harder to be those if you’re winning games week after week.


 

 

20 Feb 2021 20:37:46
Just seen a stat, apparently if Henderson made it to half time, kabak and Henderson would of beat the record for our longest cb partnership this season.

As he didn't our best partnership to date this season is, Henderson and Phillips at a massive 2.5 games!

If its true its bonkers and some may say its an excuse but after 18 different partnerships (or whatever it is) there this season im not too sure what else to expect.

WYred

 

 

09 Feb 2021 09:53:07
Is it just me or do we seem a lot less of a threat from set pieces at the minute?

I feel this is something else we miss VVD for, because he is such a threat at set pieces he takes the best defender and can cause confusion allowing others to benefit. Best case he gets on the end of one himself.

At the minute we don't have a threat as such so they all just seem to peter out.

I think it was one of our biggest weapons especially against the lower teams in the league.

I know some will say its just another excuse but you need as many tools as possible to unlock some teams and set pieces were critical imo.

WYred

1.) 09 Feb 2021 10:40:11
I’d say we are one of the shortest in the current starting 11 that’s only looking at the team
So I may be well wrong! The presence of vvd and Gomez/ matip even Lovern was massive in set pieces! we haven’t had that more or less all season!


2.) 09 Feb 2021 11:03:46
Weve been awful from set pieces since VVD has been out. Very little threat from anyone elseb.


3.) 09 Feb 2021 12:28:22
Not just you mate. It's the loss of VVD. Off the top of my head he scored both goals in a 2-0 home win to Brighton last season and the first goal in a home win to Utd. It gives a platform because teams need to come at us then and we can hit them on the break. Case in point the second goal of that Utd game.


4.) 09 Feb 2021 15:04:30
OP, Pep and Klopp addressed this very thing in an interview on youtube. They said that sice they could not score as many goals as City did, they needed to find more ways to generate more goals and working on set pieces was a critical part of the evolution of this team. This is where VVD and Matip come in.

They are both lethal from set pieces and with their presence s VVD's, they attracted so much attention that it also allowed other guys like Mane and Bobbie to get open cos they are great in the air as well. As a result since 2018, LFC have scored more goals from set pieces than any other team in the PL for the past two seasons. With those two out, this is what you get. There is no one to hit and with our poor delivery at times, it does not help. The loss of VVD and Matip is felt all over the pitch, man.


5.) 09 Feb 2021 20:29:56
I'm just relieved when our corners beat the first man. Been an issue for a few years, IMO.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m relieved when I only use the toilet two times during the night. Oh to have you’re problems Burkey.


6.) 09 Feb 2021 21:32:33
WYred, you are spot on. No excuses here. Just reasons. Of course VVD is a blow in this area and so is Matip's absence. Also when we were smashing low block teams for fun in the past 3 seasons in the PL and CL, set pieces was a key way of breaking the deadlock and this was an area where even Klopp and Ljinders addressed as a way to score more goals (they addressed this in an interview you can find on youtube) .

People seem to forget that LFC have scored the most headed goals and most goals from set piece deliveries in the PL for the past two seasons. VVD has a lot to do with that cos not only does he score or does Matip score, he is a key target that attracts sometimes 2/ 3 opponents and that frees up others like Mane and Bobbie who are pretty lethal in the air as well.

Now with both being absent, that threat is nearly gone. Another thing is that the delivery was superb from set pieces but since TAA and Andy are a bit off form, the delivery has been poor which is why sometimes, we don't deliver the ball directly in the bow but play it out to try and disassemble the defence cos they-re is no big target to hit. These are not excuses. They are facts and reasons, IMO.


 

 

01 Feb 2021 22:32:41
For everyone questioning two cbs, matip out for the season!

Our cbs for the rest of the season are Davies, kabak, Phillips Williams and hendo fab as emergency cover.

Three senior cbs with huge injuries, unbelievable luck but to still be in the mix means anything can happen.

Onwards and upwards!

WYred

 

 

 

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21 Mar 2021 14:42:24
I read the story myself, it basically said they were on a 'collision corse' but it was in speech mark and had no quotes from either party. Basically just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.

VVD won't go to the euros without klopps blessing but in one way for us it's the equivalent of a pre season for him. He gets competitive games and he will only play if 100% fit so gets some game time under his belt.

But if he is rushed back just to play in it that is a whole different matter.

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24 Feb 2021 13:05:28
exactly space and the more injuries you get, the more you rely on others to play more which increases their chances of getting an injury due to less rotation. Vicious cycle unfortunately.

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01 Feb 2021 22:28:55
No brainer if someone was interested, especially a team like Southampton. Feel good factor around them at the minute, good football and will be interesting to see how he links with ings. Guaranteed games I expect and he should come back stronger.
Club must be confident jota isn't too far away where he'd fall even further down the pecking order.
Plus any sort of loan fee will go towards our outlay. Smart business all round I think.

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01 Feb 2021 07:50:35
Bax give the lad a chance, he may not have an ‘o’ at the end of his name or cost the earth but he hasn’t kicked a ball for us yet.

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31 Jan 2021 21:01:49
I think this is a cracking bit of business if true.

He seems very highly thought of and is likely to replace matip long term who can’t be trusted with his injury record.

From what I have heard he seems pacy and can play out from the back but I think ed001 said his weakness his aerially. Which long term can be developed, in our situation we were never getting the perfect cb for peanuts.

But at 2m for a 25 year old he has resale value if it doesn’t work, and if it does our likely 4th choice hasn’t massively damaged the coffers. Plus I presume he’s home grown which is a bonus.

The club have a fairly good track record and I have no reason to doubt them on this. Rival fans will no doubt mock but the proof will be in the pudding. If we can get one of Hendo or fab in midfield it can only be a positive imo. Plus ed047 will have to try flog mustafi to someone else 😂.

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18 Apr 2021 19:00:43
It's a 'breakaway league' but their proposal appears to be a replacement for the champions league rather than going to play the likes of Barcelona week in week out. Their main aim is to cordon off the champions league revenue without their league form effecting their participation. I. e have a terrible league season like ours but know come what may you'd still be in the big competition.

As much as we all hate it money is entwined in football and clubs and owners will do all possible to ring fence and limit their their risks on investment.

It's not in the spirit of earning your place at the top table but this proposal is designed to put pressure on UEFA and put x amount teams in yearly as guaranteed spots rather then it ending in a breakaway in my opinion.

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21 Mar 2021 19:21:26
Gomez isn't a full back, personally I'd keep trent there. Yes he may be able to play in midfield but I'd be more confident in getting another quality midfielder in then a new RB to fill TAA's void (who grows up wanting to be a full back? ) . Keep trent there and maybe move him when he can't be bombing up and down the pitch a few years down the line.

WYred

{Ed077's Note - I agree. We dont know how good Trent will be in midfield but we have seen him be the best RB in the world when in form. I would only play him in midfield if he doesnt want to play RB anymore. Or in major injury crisis in midfield.}


 

 

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21 Mar 2021 14:52:42
If it were to happen it may get called 'Sponsor's Anfield stadium. As brom said we'd still call it Anfield and I think it'll happen eventually. It's another way for clubs to squeeze money out the brand.

As long as its not something stupid like sports direct arena I'm all good!

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21 Mar 2021 14:43:57
It may make sense for matip to go but for it to happen we need a buyer. Which I think would be unlikely with his injury record.

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08 Mar 2021 17:20:01
I will always be thankful for the owner we have. Yes they have made mistakes, haven't we all. But we can't blame them for not spending last summer when C. V. was hurting everyone's bottom lines.

They are every bit of the reason we won the trophies we have recently it wasn't all Klopp.

WYred