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16 Sep 2020 11:25:36
So apparently Brewster is off to Shef United, I think this is a great deal for all parties personally.

The lad needs to be playing week in week out for a couple of seasons if he is to hit his potential. We get money in now to invest in players that Klopp feels can help now rather than helping in 3-4 years time.

If it works out we will likely have first refusal, the player may be willing to come back as we have allowed him to leave for his benefit. If it doesn’t we have pocketed some cash for someone that hasn’t developed as hoped at the height of his value.

It is smart business all round in my opinion and if there is a buy back figure it will likely be lower than his perceived value in a few years time. And he is working under wilder who will keep him on the straight and narrow.

I am a huge fan of his but if he stuck around is he even going to make the bench? And that just isn’t good for his development.

WYred

{Ed025's Note - your spot on WYred mate..


1.) 16 Sep 2020 11:40:37
Do we have any idea what kind of fee we may be likely to get? What was Liverpools valuation of him?

{Ed025's Note - not at the moment snoots, it will be getting thrashed out as we speak mate..


2.) 16 Sep 2020 11:49:28
Ah, well we Usualy get decent fees, I know it's random but if we could get enough together to bid for patson daka, he looks a good prospect could take game time off our front three I think.

{Ed025's Note - i think if money is available snoots then thiago will be one to be coming in mate..


3.) 16 Sep 2020 11:52:54
We would never buy him back. we need to take that myth away. Let's wish the kid has a stellar career at Sheffield or beyond. At least we aren't making any fake promises to the lad.


4.) 16 Sep 2020 12:08:33
Harry, why wouldn't we buy him back if he proved good enough and there was a position available for him? Truth is none of know what the future holds but do dismiss that we could potentially buy him back seems crazy to me.


5.) 16 Sep 2020 12:08:45
Stop leading us down the garden path ed, I am at me whits end with the thiago buisness.

{Ed025's Note - hes the one jurgen wants mate, i would have thought cover for the front 3 myself but its hard to argue with mr klopp..


6.) 16 Sep 2020 12:28:27
The Lad is good today But he is a proper center forward, something we don't play with. Brewster like Danny Ings is a very good striker. This sale has nothing to do with him needs to prove a thing.


7.) 16 Sep 2020 12:43:44
It’s kinda strange that we let a homegrown out to get Thiago where we are well stocked in midfield unless we are pushing Fab as backup for CB and Gini as CDM.

However, with Brewster going, the cards will be shifting around for movements.


8.) 16 Sep 2020 12:43:53
But harry that's how we play today, in 3-4 years we may have an entirely different system.


9.) 16 Sep 2020 12:54:45
WYred

Sheffield might sell him next summer or maybe in two years, we don't know. Not sure what the clauses are but if there are clauses then the price also decreases. We are not looking at 3-4 years for sure.


10.) 16 Sep 2020 13:30:21
Whilst I wish he stayed, fair enough. If he isn't getting game time and playing every few games for at least 45 mins and starting cup games, I don't blame him. I do think it's a weird transfer as he's HG and looked an absolute baller, played very well for Swansea. I just hope we have a buy back clause in, because if he ends up scoring double digits for SU this season, I'd love him back, we definitely need cover for the front 3, and Ox/ Shaq/ Origi haven't been doing it for me. I would have preferred selling Origi to Villa and keep Brewster, mainly for HG benefit. Oh well, hope he has a great career at SU! Wilder is a good coach and I'm sure he'll do well there.


11.) 16 Sep 2020 19:53:32
Don’t forget about our Japanese pocket rocket! I’d say we are doing well if Brewster leaves and Thiago comes in. Cover for the front three looks like Minamino - ox- Origi- Shaq. That doesn’t look too bad does it? It’s looking possible that Sarr could be added to the mix. That would make a pretty decent window for us!

{Ed025's Note - that cover for the front 3 looks very very weak to me redman, the only one who looks half decent to me would be minamino mate, the other 3 would do well to get a game for rochdale..


12.) 17 Sep 2020 04:22:51
If a deal includes any sort of a buy back that would make him a valuable future option and we get 20 or 25mil income now it can only make sense as it's a risk with very little chance of causing us regret. If you asked me would I prefer thiago in our team for next 2 or 3 years or Brewster I'd 100% say thiago. If the buy back option looks good value compared to his future progression then we could nab a potential bargain when Firmino is no longer our no.9. To receive 20+ for a player yet to play in premier league and only 6months first team involvement at championship level would be silly to turn down. He could either be a solanke or an ings. We would love to have a situation where ings could be re signed at a good price or else be satisfied that we got paid well for solanke and never seek to bring back. Sheffield Utd will know that they can't guarantee to be in a position of strenght in a few years where they could expect to demand much higher fees for him than maybe 30 or 40mil potential buy back fee. The likes of pogba and sancho going on to become so valuable when let go for so little must have frustrated United and city but negotiating with those top clubs made it unlikely they would agree to a buy back where as with sheff Utd it could work out for both parties. Ed are you aware if the likes of iheanacho or moise kean for example were let move with something similar in their contracts as big clubs letting hot prospects leave must want to consider the possibility of future success. Madrid have done this with carvajal, morata and recently hakimi all becoming twice their value over 12 months. Didn't bayern bring gnabry from Bremen at cut price? I'm not 100% sure on that one. Are there many notable big players who were used in that way?

{Ed0666's Note - What I want for Xmas is for you to start using paragraphs in you’re posts.


 

 

28 Aug 2020 06:41:15
Thank you for the update Ed002, if Mane does leave do you think Chiesa would potentially become an option or they heading elsewhere?

WYred

{Ed002's Note - Federico Chiesa (RW/F) much more affordable than Sancho for Manchester United and of prior interest, but Inter remain keen although talks are now on hold. Radja Nainggolan will be offered to Fiorentina as part of a deal for Chiesa which could ease the transfer through. But Inter feel it is taking too long and may turn elsewhere. Fiorentina are willing to sell in the summer. Should it happen at some point, he would be a direct replacement, has similar attributes to Salah, is liked by Klopp and, although Liverpool have shown no interest. Inter to push for a move for him as soon as they can. And that is the move the player has wanted. Sarri desired the player when at Napoli and he wanted to improve his options at Juventus but it would mean moving on both Douglas Costa and Bernardeshi first - although they are still trying even though Sarri has departed. Napoli remain in some turmoil and unattractive to players whilst they get their act together. Milan interest runs hot and cold, and money could be an issue. Prior interest of Napoli and Roma has gone due to the asking price.}


1.) 28 Aug 2020 08:50:08
Plays on the right and Salah has a dead left foot. We need a Left-winger.


2.) 28 Aug 2020 09:45:49
Tyrion Lannister, that left winger we need is called Robbo.


3.) 28 Aug 2020 09:53:43
The knowledge shows no bounds, cheers ed002.


4.) 28 Aug 2020 10:19:05
Chiesa is deceptively good with his weaker foot. He'd be fine either side.


5.) 28 Aug 2020 21:50:04
My god, season starts this weekend. The team is ready to go, stop planning without our front 3. They will be there for the season and future. Champions.


 

 

25 Jun 2020 22:31:55
There will be an influx of posts but enjoy it lads and lasses this has been 30 years in the making. Times maybe slightly odd but enjoy it with those loved ones around you and hopefully we can enjoy it together in liverpool soon.

At times over my time supporting liverpool I thought I'd never witness this and there has been difficult moments but to all involved and especially Jurgen, Danke and prost to the champions of 19/ 20!

WYred

 

 

16 Aug 2019 11:31:31
Adrian a doubt for a Saturday, apparently a fan ran in to celebrate, slipped and took him out. A decision will be made tomorrow.

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13 Aug 2019 10:38:51
Lovren not included in the squad for the super cup due to 'Illness', either it is a huge coincidence or the club are working on his departure.

Or maybe I should just put my tin foil hat away.

WYred

1.) 13 Aug 2019 11:06:48
Gomez and Matip are there as CB cover so I do not read too much into this but it is good to see the following young lads make it (Brewster, Hoever, Kelleher abd Elliott) - van der berg is not included so it must be a numbers thing so I only expect Lovren to leave if we get a decent sized bid, 15m as reported today is a very good price for the buyer.


2.) 13 Aug 2019 18:03:22
How is gomez CB cover? He’s first choice.


 

 

 

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13 Jan 2021 08:07:23
So we have a huge game Sunday’s and I cannot wait! Yes we trail united by three going into it but it’s at Anfield and every man and his dog knows how they will approach it.

But if we win we will be right in the fight, having had our sticky patch in the season and united having their best spell for quite some time.

We clearly have higher gears to go through after some terrible performances and results. But grab the win on the weekend and I think it’ll kick us on from there.

Don’t forget this is a united side with Ole at the wheel and he hasn’t become world class overnight. They are just a confidence side, they have proven it throughout his tenure so as soon as something goes wrong it’ll be interesting to see if they recover or if the wheels come off.

Also seeing the likes of Neville celebrating like they’ve won the league by being top after 17 games brings a smile to my face. They would mock us for that during our wait so it’s nice to see how far they’ve fallen after watching them win so often.

WYred

1.) 13 Jan 2021 08:37:01
Pure sense. Thank you.


2.) 13 Jan 2021 10:14:30
Good post wyred. It’s over to the lads now to get the job done. Win and we go top. Lose and we could be 6th.


 

 

03 Jan 2021 11:05:12
So I thought I’d look back on last seasons league table at GW16. 33 points would of been third last season so no sparkling form from anyone this year. Second were leicester on 38 points!
City were third last year on 32 points and ended on 81. So a fair assumption would be anything north of 82 would possibly put you close this year.
It’s obviously all guesswork based on previous trends but we are still in the race, leading it I may add. So can we just stop the doom and gloom and look forward to tomorrow’s match?

WYred

 

 

01 Jan 2021 22:19:02
I've seen a few posts complaining about who we have dropped points to or questioning our mentality.

The previous results don't matter until the end of the season when you can see if its where we have fallen short. Yes its frustrating but it might prove enough. We just don't know. What we do know is we have the same amount of games left and the same amount of points to fight for plus two games against united which could prove critical.

As for our mentality I don't think we can question it because the team has dared to drop points. Points that were a mixture of misfortune and bad finishing. If salah and Bobby score the Newcastle performance all of a sudden becomes a solid away performance. Its fine margins.

But we now have competition and the team know that any mistakes now will be punished by a good united side. A very confident one at that too. I still hold question marks over them as they had a similar run last season then hit a wall. However all we can do is concentrate on ourselves and hopefully get a run together but I'm already looking forward to the united game.

We are starting to get players back and that could help us with these tight games. Plenty of distance left in this marathon for it to all change but this team have proved in the last two seasons that they have the mentality for the fight.

WYred

1.) 01 Jan 2021 23:47:18
Agreed. However, the loss of virgil and gomez for pretty much the season has chipped away at my confidence. Thank goodness Allison is fit and in goal or we would already be chasing united. I still city as our main rivals but ill gladly let the media boost united up as the contenders as it puts the pressure on them more. We still have lost one game this season despite the so called lack of mentality. I just hope Edwards pulls off a miracle and we sign a decent cb.


2.) 01 Jan 2021 23:48:00
OP, I fully agree. It’s fine margins really and sometimes you get the bear like we did vs Spurs at the death orchestra bear gets you like it did vs Newcastle.

Right now, we have competition for the title and not just from Utd cos City and Spurs are in there as well. We are a veteran team that have been here before. We know the pressure that comes with these scenarios. So is City. Spurs and Utd? Nope. Utd are two bad results away from the anti OGS fans kicking off again. While Spurs a Jose meltdown a way from doing a Spurs. One game at a time and we will b fine.


3.) 02 Jan 2021 07:04:28
The way I see it we’re level at the top, but have dropped points in games we should have won, and have been slightly unlucky with some tremendous late saves (eg. Firmino vs WBA) or missed opportunities. By comparison, Utd have put together a good run, but with plenty of luck and some scratchy late winners.

This should even out over time, so long as we keep up our performance levels and our forwards start to put their chances away. It will also be helpful to have Jota returns, as Mane, Salah and Firmino need someone else to shake it up, and we’ve missed his killer touch in the box of late.


4.) 02 Jan 2021 08:41:09
Couldn’t agree more WYred.
There is no other team in the league who would still be top after losing all 3 senior CH’s for the majority of our games.
Reminds me a bit of 83/ 84. A team lauded as one of our greatest ever - but scratch the surface, and it was a battle, where we dropped silly points, and looked like we were doing our best to throw it away.
Whatever happens, i am ridiculously proud of this team, what it’s achieved, and how it has dealt with adversity.
Lets get behind them and help them achieve even more.


5.) 02 Jan 2021 10:29:16
some good posts here. My worry is that we always found a way to win last season. This time round those types of games we are drawing.

Utd on the other hand are finding ways to win, and I just think that with the problems we have with injuries (which Utd are avoiding up to now) it might be a bridge to far this time round.

the other thing is the number of away fixtures are taking their toll in my opinion - 6 away in 9 games starting with the Crystal Palace game.


6.) 02 Jan 2021 11:01:09
KBL, comparing this season to last season is a false comparison cos the seasons are clearly not the same, different conditions and circumstances, diff type of motivation and diff types/ level of injuries and absences. We did not win the league under these conditions of the current season so why compare? We did not win the title with both VVD and Gomez out for the season nor did we win it without a real preseason so again, why compare?

I think this comparison should stop cos your judgment will be clouded hence, your conclusions false. We should take this season as it is and stuck with it do as not to get all sad and negative by comparing it to last season IMO.

We have the hand we are dealt and we have to roll with it nobody is is going to be pulling away from anyone cos it is going to be an up and down season for everyone. Some think City will not b a factor due to their injuries and poor start to the season. I don’t think so cos they win both games in hand and they are in it. Utd and Spurs as well. Utd have not had to deal with the injury issues and poor ref decisions that have fine us in during these games yet they are still behind us on GD.

Same with a Spurs and they are 7 back. It is going to b a dogfight till the end do this is not the time to chicken out or go flaky as fans cos things aren’t going our way. This is a time to grow a sound and toughen up cos that is what hit us here in the first place.

We need to improve our finishing as that is hurting us more than even the injuries and CB issues cos you do that, then everything else is irrelevant in the short term till things get better. Just my take.


7.) 02 Jan 2021 12:05:12
RM - I agree with most of your post, but you shouldn't take my comments as sad and negative. They are just my thoughts. In view of our problems so far (with injuries) I am delighted at where we are right now.

It is interesting you agreed with me about the fact that Utd have avoided the same injury crisis as we have had, and that is just one of my comments as to why it has been frustrating so far.
My point is no team could have done better with the same problems, but if we have the same 2nd half of the season it will be unlikely to bring success.

To be honest, I would be disappointed, but not unduly so because of our efforts anyway.

Nice to have your thoughts though RM.


 

 

30 Dec 2020 11:25:09
Anyone been reading robbo’s book? Fascinating insight into last season and highlights the mentality these boys had going into games and how they reacted to setbacks.

Cracking read and proceeds also go to his charity so I highly recommend it.

WYred

1.) 30 Dec 2020 12:38:34
What’s the book called WYred? Sounds like it might be worth a look given Robbo seems pretty well spoken and literate.

{Ed002's Note - He would have had someone else write it.}


2.) 30 Dec 2020 13:11:09
Robbo, now you’re going to believe us.


3.) 30 Dec 2020 15:26:57
I heard that they wouldn’t let Wayne Rooney colour in his book in case he ate the crayons.


 

 

28 Dec 2020 16:13:02
Citys game postponed, that's the second due to C. V. this season. Wonder how many it'll take before they review the situation.

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16 Jan 2021 20:05:54
I reckon salah will go in the summer if he can get one of the Spanish clubs to nibble.

So a replacement for him and a cb (preferably homegrown) plus a replacement for Keita (if we can find a buyer) and I don’t reckon we will see much more business unless there are further outgoings.

Don’t see the need to replace Origi to be honest he doesn’t even get a look in at the minute.

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02 Jan 2021 19:54:28
Unless botmans team fancy origi as a swap deal I just don’t see how this will get done. The Ed’s have said it’ll be unlikely we get a cb and we don’t have the space in the squad unless someone is sold or VVD is removed for the remainder of the season.

I just think this will be the rumour that keeps rumbling on throughout the jan window.

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05 Dec 2020 20:57:53
Fingers crossed that's true, don't want any first 11 defenders playing wed! Although we can't go to weak due to UEFA rules.

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21 Oct 2020 13:03:59
LR, I hate to dissapoint but the vast majority of people that buy football clubs will want to make a profit.

We are in a position of selling to buy because of C.V. nothing the owners could do about that one.

As for investing they have spent money on the infrastructure of the club and improving the squad with wages etc. I would rather they spend within their means then shaft us and we end up in the championship (leeds Wigan etc) because our finances are shot.

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07 Oct 2020 07:40:23
Glad he got a move, he would be wasted with not being in our squad.

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18 Jan 2021 17:54:44
Jan is a hard window to buy in under normal circumstances never mind under CV. And i am pretty sure the eds have said we are strapped for cash (if that's not the case I'm happy to say I was wrong) .

IMO buying any cb will A) be expensive as people will be unwilling to sell and know we are up s*** creek so will charge a premium. B) no signing is a guaranteed success no matter how good they are (keita) and C) we don't just need a cb as a short term fix we need one to push gomez and VVD as a starter and if they aren't available I wouldn't want the club to buy any CB just to appease fans.

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18 Jan 2021 16:58:25
Because you can't magically make a cb appear, we have to sell to buy as cash is on the thin side at the minute.

I have watched sky sports news when I was waiting to see if the club entered administration before FSG bought us and I don't fancy returning to that just because we have been unlucky with injuries.

If we can sell someone like origi to raise funds then great, but I don't see the point of buying for the sake of it. Remember Caulker? a new CB isn't necessarily going to fix it. and city with what feels like their never ending pot of money, struggled without 1 starting cb last year, currently we are trying to get by without 2.5!

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17 Jan 2021 19:07:23
I could be completely wrong but if you have VVD and gomez at the back you can play with a higher line, that leaves less space in midfield where fab and hendo then are brilliant at turning it over and 'suffocating' teams. I think its that we are missing rather then Henderson being key to us unlocking defences.

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17 Jan 2021 18:48:22
Patching up defence is definitely hurting us but if the money isn't there I don't want them breaking the bank to get one in.
Frustrating at the minute but luckily the league isn't like last year with someone running away with it or we'd be well out of it. Because its so competitive we are still right in the mix and anything can happen.

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16 Jan 2021 10:50:28
Problem is if there is contact and its given is very difficult to overturn.

Also Rashford blaming mourinho seems a bit of deflection, he has had three times as many pens awarded under ole then he did under mourinho with a similar amount of games for each if I remember the stat correctly.

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