Liverpool Banter Archive March 11 2012
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11 Mar 2012 23:25:27
Hi again Ed ,from what I understand carra was happy to see raffa go and is often disrecptful to raffa in saying that the champs league win wouldn't have been as good as the treble under houlier, come on , but gerrard never really commented on raffas sacking did he ?
Thanks jeff
11 Mar 2012 23:12:32
Hi Ed ,why do fans want to get rid of glen Johnson he's quality going foward as nothing bad can be said of him defending because our defence has been quality this season Johnson included ,seriously people get a grip Kelly is no were near good enough to take over at right back
Thanks jeff {Ed001's Note - because he is lazy and doesn't perform anywhere the level he is capable of. No good having a great player that swans around the pitch, we have carried him when he plays on the right. His best performances have all been on the left for us, he clearly has concentration issues on the right. He is paid far too much to carry for 90% of the season.}
How can u say he's lazy he's constantly up and down the right wing and as for concentrating ,should we get rid of carra enrique downing Adam spearing reina and all of our other players because surely Johnson isn't the only player we have that looses concentration every now and then come on Ed I thought u would have given me a good answer
Jeff {Ed001's Note - how is he up and down? He barely stays on the right these days, constantly wandering infield and then slowly jogging back into position leaving space for someone else to have to cover. He is lazy, lazy mentally, he doesn't think, his positional sense is terrible and his tendency to wander infield this season has left us lacking any kind of width down the right. Bringing other players into it is just idiotic. We are not talking about them, we were discussing Johnson, there is no relevance in what someone else is doing. The point is that he is an extremely skilled player who is earning huge wages but not making anything like the most of his ability, he is barely at half of the level he should be at. We may as well have a less well paid player of half the ability who is performing at his best. Or a slightly worse player being paid less but performing at closer to their optimum.}
Johnson's main problem is he sprints forward and jogs back whereas Kelly gets forward all the same but sprints back. It wouldn't annoy me half as much but he has got it in him, glen was probably the best play on the pitch vs Man City away in the cup but most other games he just doesn't look interested.
always a red
Can we just agree to try Johnson on the right wing and play Kelly behind him? Seems like problem solved to me, at least for the time being. We don't have another good option on the right aside from Kuyt, who I think is more effective up front. Maybe I'm delusional, but it just clicks in my head. Probably why I'm just playing FM and not managing Liverpool....
Brian from Birmingham
11 Mar 2012 23:05:21
Hi Ed you say raffa brought on all his own problems how were hicks and gillett raffas fault ? They weren't ,rick parry sold the club to them and moved to slow in signing players like danny alves , ok he went on a rant and it back fired but that wasn't the reason for us not winning the league ,we just fell 4 points short to united , and played sum great football .here's a question for u Ed do u think if raffa was in charge when nesv took over would we be in a better or worse place than we are now considering torres would have still been here upfront with suarez and the 100m to go on top of that.
Thanks jeff {Ed001's Note - Rafa was far too busy playing politics to bother managing the team, without Pako Ayesteran it was crumbling around his ears and all he cared about was the fact he wasn't going to be given more money to spend. He bought far too many players every single season, we never got the chance to settle them in, he never let first team players appear for the reserves so they were never sharp enough when they did get games. He bought a ton of players that were utter dross and not good enough, and enticed them here with huge wages the club couldn't sustain.}
Ed001 are you Kenny or Paul Dalglish by any chance?
You've always had it in for Benitez and forget to mention all the astute buys Rafa made and how he nearly won us the title. Always negative about him.
Can I please have your assessment on Kenny's buys? And why you think Kenny is a better manager.
Forget about the 80's and how Kenny's through and through...in this modern world of football what makes you think Dalglish is more capable than Rafa at making Liverpool a successful club again?
"Fickle"Fan {Ed001's Note - don't talk rubbish, I have not got it in for Rafa at all, I like him a lot as a person and he did fantastic work in overhauling the Academy. But he was too busy messing about with politics, his fringe players were always awful, he spent far too much time washing the club's dirty linen in public and he never led us to the League title he was employed to bring to the club. That is not to mention that, apart from one brief spell which almost gave us a title, the football his team played was dull to watch and extremely defensive. Just because I can see a balanced view of his failings and strengths, doesn't mean I have it in for him. Take the blinkers off and open your eyes.}
Nice try Ed, but you ALWAYS talk negatively about him, and you sidestepped my question as well.
Rafa played attractive, attacking football, which was evident in alot of his results, our GF in numerous league table standings and an 8-0 drubbing of Besiktas in the CL.
You're the one talking through uranus. Defensive, don't humour me. We're more defensive under Dalglish, but until you take YOUR blinkers off, you will argue a black sheep white.
Rafa Defensive, my God.
"Fickle"Fan {Ed001's Note - I am wasting my time talking to you, clearly you have forgotten just how defensive and negative the team played. You have also not read most of what I have said. Try reading what I have said, instead of making up lies about me always being negative. Mostly negative, yes, just like the style of play under Rafa. But then someone has to educate blinkered people like yourself, those who have forgotten just how boring we were to watch under Rafa. How he bought huge numbers of players each season, yet he still couldn't manage to play anyone in their correct place. You might want to go back to that, but I would much rather steer well clear and just remember him for the 2 trophies and the youth academy overhaul. I really can't believe you are trying to kid on that Rafa played great attractive, attacking football!}
Doesnt change the fact rafa is still twice the manager kenny will ever be.
Indian Buzzer
Ed we will also remember him for the 2nd place in the prem.
Those fans who wanted Rafa out and KK in are now cry for the opposite to happen. Those fans who were excited when Carroll, Downing and Henderson joined are now crying for them to be sold.
The rest of us are supporters not fans and will support whoever manages or plays with a Liver Bird on his chest. If we were relegated, or bankrupt or re-signed Paul Konchesky the SUPPORTERS of LFC would still be behind the team and the management, not crying for heads or throwing toys out the pram because we've drawn too many games ffs.
cozinoz
"But then someone has to educate blinkered people like yourself"
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Look ed001, just because your an Ed, it doesn't mean your opinion is always right, so don't act arrogant and as if you know more about football than the rest of us. And don't condescend to me like you just did!
I believe and statistics will back me up everytime, that Rafa played attractive attacking football, and if you think differently, then I believe it you who has the blinkers on!
Maybe I should educate you a little? Or when can disagree to agree?
It's a matter of opinion on the matter, so how can you or me be right? And that's a FACT...Oh wise one!
"Fickle"Fan {Ed001's Note - yes, those same statistics that Fat Scam always points to which show he is a great manager who plays fast, flowing, attractive football? I prefer to trust what I saw with my own eyes, they give me a much better idea of what is boring to watch than a set of numbers on a spreadsheet. Jesus I hate stats, people use them with no idea what they are looking at, yes I do mean you. I will watch football, you just stick to reading numbers and stop wasting my time with this. Rafa's football was mildly more entertaining than Houllier's, but that was all, it was hardly the Roy Evans' days. Try watching that if you want to see what good, attractive, attacking football is, you might learn something.}
We went back to Kenny
Do we really want to go back to Rafa
Going back its never the same again
Anyone had a girlfriend (probably not) broke up and went back - was it ever the same - for most the answer would be NO {Ed002's Note - I remarried my first wife - so #1 and #3 are the same.}
Well ed002 you are woman, the tone of your writings, your willingness to forgive others, your patience, etc. clearly shows you are not male
So should that not be husband?
But leaving that aside, if its not too rude a question
Was it as good as the first time?
{Ed002's Note - Weddings are weddings, a few drinks, friends, what teh hell.}
11 Mar 2012 23:08:13
What a different story today could be. We really should have beaten Arsenal and gone into yesterday's game full of confidence. But here we stand 0 out of 6, slipping away from everyone above, fans calling for a player and manager cull etc etc. Football can be a bloody frustrating game sometime. We can't win pretty and we can't win ugly. I understand after the insipid display yesterday why a lot are frustrated. It was as bad as Bolton and Tottenham away earlier in the season and frankly it was as bad as a Roy away game.
It seems that the mindset just isn't there, yes we lost to Arsenal but everyone was up for it, for a real change I think we were unlucky. Luck didn't have a part to play yesterday, we were plain dire from pretty much start to finish. I, like a lot of you, put the team on paper and say yeah next year add a winger and a striker and we'll be right up there, but after yesterday I just can't see it. On paper yes, Downing should be a top winger creating regular chances for AC. Suarez should be dangerous and provide for others and Gerrard should supply from deep and lead.
The defence is strong and the squad is good but were really lacking some bite and desire in midfield and goals up top. Adam is plain lazy and damn right annoying, Jay is a good little player but nowhere near good enough to replace Lucas and Suarez has frankly lost the plot and it's his own making.
I love Kenny he's a great man, but I think the Suarez saga and media pressure has got to him big time. Our attacking expansive play from earlier in the season/late last has all but gone. Yes we looked good against Arsenal for the first half, but their defense was so slack and lazy and again its a big game so the players try. Players that hit form are dropped (Carroll/Downing) and players that deserve to be dropped (Adam) play. I know Gerrard was out but why not play Henderson with Jay and Downing/Maxi instead. Maxi has all but disappeared, yet he links well with Suarez and Bellamy, plus he can score on a regular basis. Shelvey despite some attitude issues is a confident bold player and may at least take a risk unlike Henderson (who I do like). Also what's the harm of giving Suso ten minutes here or there, we all may be surprised.
I can't quite fathom where it's all gone wrong, we've got some time and the fa cup to repair some of the damage and at least build some positivity before the summer. We're Lfc and we can always attract players, but this summer is so crucial. I think Carroll and Downing will succeed, but perhaps not with Kenny's style of play, so maybe something will give come the summer. Either way we'll move forward and support come what may. If Kenny leaves its with a trophy in hand and he's steadied the turbulent ship, but perhaps isn't the main to quite take us back to the promised land.
Papa G
11 Mar 2012 23:04:18
I need to apologies to everyone on this page. I come on here for a bit of banter, but I've just looked at the league table.
Manchester United are a massive 28 points points above your, now confirmed little club.
I didn't realise you now have progressive clubs like Sunderland, Norwich, Everton, Fulham, Swansea, Stoke and WBA breathing down your necks.
Perhaps next year, to make you feel as though you are still a rival of United, we will only count our points from when Father Christmas visits against Liverpool's full season points so its a bit more even. Anything to help, bless!
Anyway, good luck with your midtable tussle, although I really believe that all of your peer rivals are better than your, what I like to affectionately call, Kenny's expensive mistakes FC!
Remember, there's always next year, as usual.
Eric Banterna, lover of Seagulls, Trawlers, and Sardines.
Was wondering what the smell was.
k-h
Go back to the city of Man Utd
11 Mar 2012 22:47:51
Im not a rafa hater in the slightest, but why would we want him back? i remember him subbing FT against birmingham and most of you lot slatting him on here! Talk about double standards! INKENNYWETRUST
LeeWils
If we get beat by everton , it will be 4 loses on the trot , in kenny i trust will pack in if this happens , want kenny to do well but just because we all want him to will not make it happen.
he is the reason for the poor players in the team .henderson , adam ,downing , carrol , if we had the chance none of these players would be in any of our teams , be honest and do not just say support the team , evertonians support their team and look what that has done for them over the last 10years.
11 Mar 2012 22:38:28
I'm all for supporting the team and backing Kenny, I really think this season has been unlucky. Change draws into wins next season and we're looking a very different side.
I don't see, however, how fans can accuse others of being disloyal when they state that season simply hasn't been good enough. As I see it, if people view Kenny or the team as poor, they have every right to. Liverpool are 28 points off the top, and just 6 from 15th place. The team in 16th place is Steve Keens Blackburn. That speaks for itself.
The money spent and the results don't. I will back the team and the manager as long as they are representing Liverpool football club, but when fans vent their disappointment I don't see how they are accused of being poor fans. If you're not disappointed or you think everything is great, you're the one in the wrong.
I believe it's easier to find victims to blame other than going straight at the problems.
Pomme
11 Mar 2012 22:33:19
Eds,
any chance one of these managers will arrive in the summer? Marcelo Bielsa, Unai Emery, Lucien Favre, Jürgen Klopp, Joachim Löw, Rafa Benitez? {Ed001's Note - I am not getting into it.}
11 Mar 2012 22:33:07
If Benitez had been backed at the time when he had got us to the best club in Europe ( over a five year period) we would be challenging for all top honours now. He built spine of reina, carragher, skirtel, macherano, Lucas, gerrard, Alonso, Torres. Was not quite there when the carpet was pulled from underneath him. He lost his cool because he knew how close he was and because he cared so much for this club.
I was dead against dalglish being made manager but spent 2011 saying that had been proven wrong. We are now playi g how I thought we would under Kenny. Lacking in positivity and ideas. Keep Kenny upstairs and everpresent
Selling Alonso is almost unforgiveable. He was our ticking point, everyone could see that. Benitez couldn't.
BthekingB
11 Mar 2012 22:30:19
I think whether dalglish goes will very much rest on the fa cup. If he wins then he will get one more season to try to get champions league football, if that isn't achieved then that's it for kk.
In terms of replacements, there isn't much coach high profile coaches available.
Rafa- the obvious choice. But very hard to work with, owners may find it difficult to work with him, especially if he still uses his facts.
Deschamps- I rate him very highly, but prefer rafa tbh.
Jurgen klopp- highly rated coach in German football. Klopp is specially attractive, won the league with borrussia in his third season when the club finished 13th before he took over. But what are the chances of signing him as he looks to win the league again this season?
Joachim low- again a highly rated German coach, plays attractive attacking football.
Eds any chances Liverpool can attract any of these German coaches? {Ed001's Note - I really don't care to speculate on it.}
11 Mar 2012 22:28:56
Hi Ed ,I've always been a big fan of raffa and I remember back in his final season I was totally gutted with the way lfc fans and ex players pundits treated raffa . Under raffa we were a real force in european football . We were a top club and if only we had our cutrent owners backing him we would have won the league and been in the champs league every season .slot of fans seem to forget that raffa fought too hard on his own againist the owners hicks and gillett and that's why things went pear shaped on the pitch , players couldn't help but be distracted with the board room battles and poor raffa couldn't do everything on his own ,and it didn't help when the likes of ronnie whealen and other explauers were slating him on tv .raffa almost had us to were he wanted us to be we were two players away from winning us the league and the owners pulled the plug .I really don't understand who was responsibly for sacking him and why ?because he fought tooth and nail for us againist hicks gillett ,cos he pissed off blue nose and mourino , fans seem to forget he won us the champs league fa cup and bought players like torres reina alonso mash skyrtel agger Johnson kuyt and found gerrards best position up front were he is deadly and still should be sure he mafe mistakes who dosent fergie has blown a fortune on bad players over the years does he get slated ? Would raffa have spent 80million on carroll adam henderson and dowing i doubt it we all know he was the best thing to happen to this club in the last 20 years and all it took was a bad season and he was sacked and buy who not hicks and gillett a a bad decision was made from the temp board how could raffa get sacked and Roy hodgeson get his job ? Please post this Ed I just wanna c do fans realize now that we sacked a great man and manager , thanks raffa you'll never walk alone
Thanks jeff {Ed001's Note - Rafa caused most of his own problems, if you can't see that, then I fear for you.}
Rafa spent 40 million on Robbie Keane and Aquilani. I'd prefer Andy Carroll over those 2 any day of the week.
BthekingB
Raffa didn't want keane ,party bought him and I would much prefer aqua than Adam or Henderson
Thanks jeff
I think Rafa has seen his mistakes and will come back a better manager.
Hero.
We gave kenny a chance even though he was sacked at celtic and newcastle why are we not supportive of giving raffa a chance , he could not be worse than kenny
Aquililani was lousy
11 Mar 2012 22:17:20
I really dont understand some of the criticism on these pages and some of the people only write when we lose. Did people expect us to win everything this season including the league. Ok Kenny has spent a bit of money but it still takes time for players to gel and we have a young squad.
We have one trophy and a quaater final to look forward to. Ok our league position could be better but at least wait untill the end of the season. I think some of our performances this season have been brilliant without getting the results.
People who are disrespecting KK need to take a hard look at themselves and ask if they are proper fans after what he has done for our football club.
Anyway a massive derby followed by a huge quaarter final and i believe we can win both and change our season into an either better one. But fans need to all stay together.
Mighty reds
11 Mar 2012 22:07:46
EDD y evry tym i post do i get q lil ad saying im the 10000th customer and to claim my prize do you get paid to have them adds on the site jus curious. STEMLOCC {Ed002's Note - Not the money, but we get all of the prizes and share them out between the Eds.}
Hi Ed002 - you deserve a prize for being able to translate this post.
Dutchmal {Ed001's Note - she does speak fluent gibberish.}
Great answer lol
LeeWils
11 Mar 2012 22:05:32
Would evry1 b happy wid a fa cup win but finish 6th or 7th in the leauge but still having won the 2 cups agree for ye dissagree for no jus want people opinion. STEMLOCC
11 Mar 2012 22:05:12
at the game yesterday, and after that, we need much more creativity in midfield, henderson, adam, and kuyt. kuyt cant do anything but chase everything, not a good enough team for europa leeague never mind champions league.
Dirk kuyt are you haueing a laugh he as been a work horse for us i am sick of all you so called lfc fans and sack king kenny hang you head in same you are not true reds dont slag off your on team weve got plenty other teams fans doing it on there pagers and on ares what the f going on get behind this great club not slag them off ok we haue a cup we might get another will you slag them of then i am pissed off when i read this s**t from so called fans whos gonner be are next manager ihope king kenny will be f*** rafa been there done that long live the king
Kuyt is one of you best players you wouldnt even have the micky ouse cup without him short memories
11 Mar 2012 22:05:04
28 points, just sayin ;)
MUFC_DEVIL
Athletic bilbao...
Just saying :)
The southern red
Crystal Palace
Just saying:)
One win in the prem this year
Just saying ;)
CnM
FA cup... Just saying..
Phooey
11 Mar 2012 21:36:51
Suarez's word will have been twisted in the interview. It was only a few weeks ago that he said he wanted to extend his contract past 5 years. Can't believe some people want him to be sold, he was voted the 6th best player in the world last year
11 Mar 2012 21:36:35
Ideally KK will stay on as manager for the foreseable future until Guardiola decides he needs a new challenge and becomes Liverpool manager, just as his friends Jose Segura and Rodolfo Borrell, have a crop of extremely talented young players ready for the first team :)
My nan could of done what guardiola has done at barca. Dont see all the hype! {Ed002's Note - Thing is that after your nan had managed Real Madrid Barcelona are never going to be interested in her.}
11 Mar 2012 21:27:25
Suarez better stay and make it up to by scoring goals, if he leaves to go PSG for anything less than 45-50 million he would have spat in our face.
How can Suarez decide his own transfer fee while negotiating?
AG
11 Mar 2012 21:17:20
I dident realise lucas was only 23 we got bags of tym left wid him cant w8 4 him 2 cum bak I think kenny needs to start playing maxi i dont understand henderson on the ryt he cant cross the ball also maxi gets into good attacking possitions and opens space up for players like suarez cum on kenny got to do something new also think suarez need to work on his passing if he going to play in hole behind strikers if surez learn to play the through ball we should start to win lot of games but most of tym he greedy an shoot but he drags players twards him wich creates space for a final pass wich he never tries. STEMLOCC
Lucas is 25
You playing fifa 10 lad?
BthekingB
That gave me a good chuckle then, BthekingB lol
Gav
11 Mar 2012 21:07:59
You must consider where the club were when Kenny took over.
I firmly believe we would have finished no higher than 12th last season or possibly relegated if Hodgson had been kept on.
Instead Kenny came in and did very well with an extremely limited squad. Everyone expected miracles this season but we have been massively rebuilding. When you bring in 8 new players almost at once it takes more than a season for them to adjust to playing with each other.
There have have also been a number of factors which have limited our options and drained our confidence, such as long term injuries to Lucas and Gerrard and the 8 match ban for Suarez.
I think the club constantly being attacked by the media has also had a profoundly negative effect on the performances.
If we replace the manager now or in the summer we will be in no better position than last season (replacing many players), wheras if we keep faith in Kenny we may only need to make a few choice additions to kick on next season.
Billfaethetoun
Yes but we are getting worse and worse
Also Kenny finished 6th
Sorry mate, but:
hodgson 17 games: 22 points
kennys last 17: 21 points
and that's 100million £ later!
My be so woy or kenny for me its kenny
Roy should of been given more of a chance
11 Mar 2012 21:01:37
Fabio Capello.
His CV speaks for itself.
Whether he would want the job, is another matter.
11 Mar 2012 20:59:32
Two players who get let off every week, who are totally over-rated are reina an suarez! Sell them both in the summer, get 50m and add a bit of pace on the flanks and add two strikers who can actually put the ball in the net. Plus we will have lucas back. Job done. Easy!
Peter
Mate They are 1 billion times better than Henderson and Adam. They are not overated but brilliant.
So sell Rein and buy attackers . Will Carroll be our new Keeper. ? Some people just dont get it .
AJI
Pepe reina has won the golden gloves 3 times, came 2nd twice and is 2nd in the list at the moment for the premier league total behind joe hart in the 2nd best defence in the league. he's carp!
sack him! and very quick!
some people aye, always the couch potato manager....
I must say I have to agree. If there isn't much money to spend in the summer it would make sense as there are more important things than having an average gk an a forward who is more hassle than he's worth an cant score goals.
The only thing I would say for reina is that his distribution is the best in the world but seens
Carroll for keeper lol
Well in aji lad that's exactly what I meant. Sell reina an not buy a keeper mate. Think you don't get it u tool...
What's wrong with what torte ham have done by gettn a brad friedel at the end of his career, get two years out of him and then get a young consistent keeper after that
Peter
11 Mar 2012 20:56:44
I remember reading this a few days ago and keep thinking, he must like what he sees, so why can't the fans? Saying that, I would like to have got his views after yesterday's game against Sunderland!
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/bellamy-i-like-what-i-see
Keith
11 Mar 2012 20:56:27
I would personally spend around £100mil to sign Torres, Martinez, Jesus Navas and Tello.
Ed are any of those realistic targets? I know you'll probably say no chance with Torres but with a change of manager and his poor form I think it's possible.
Harry Cullen {Ed002's Note - No.}
Torres no
Martinez - way out of your price range - especially with the big clubs going for him (e.g Man Utd Man City Real Madrid etc)
Jesus Navas - can barely play away games let alone live in another country
Tello - new upcoming star of Barca! - why would he leave arguably the best side in the world and the best player in the world to play for Liverpool?
What has Torres done this season that would remotely make you want to sign him???
Torres has done more for Liverpool this season than many of the Liverpool players! Unfortunately, we've not taken advantage of how bad he has been for Chelsea!
11 Mar 2012 20:53:29
If Kenny does go, I hope we don't turn back to Rafa, he did well whilst he was here the first time, however he also made a few really poor decisions too, like the way he treated Alonso. I think the club would need to look to the future not the past, and with hinsight we should have really done this instead of bringing in the King. I understand both sides of the argumant on if he should go or stay and I have to agree just because he's a legend he shouldn't get special treatment if this carries on, however he still deserves a lot more respect than some people are showing him.
I'd go for someone like Van Basten, Laudrup, Klopp or Emery at Valencia if Kenny were to leave myself, I think if we are going to change it again we need to go in a completly different direction.
JFT96
Smithy
Go all out for Joachim loew after the euros if they get rid of Kenny but sincerely hope they keep Kenny.
King luis
11 Mar 2012 20:47:49
Ive just picked this gem from our banter page
How you can bring a man to take charge well knowing that he has not been in management for the past 16-18 years is just ridiculous. Next up, Messi will play as Goal Keeper for Barca...
Kenny is a disgrace, Kenny is way down my list of Legends anyways coz he is like Torres, just looked good because he had a great team who would feed him simple tap ins...I wish someone would just assassinate KD for good!..
I hope whoever posted this isnt a true Red because if
they are then god help us.....every one is entitled to
an opinion but this is absolutely ridiculous...another
gutless keyboard critic who hasnt got the balls to put
a name to a post....i know we are all fed up at the
moment but if you post something lets have something
with a bit of sense about it
Deano95
Totally agree Deano the fool gives away his lack of knowledge by referring to Kenny scoring tap ins,obviously did not see him play.
Derek
11 Mar 2012 20:40:03
Its me I've said over and over again,bring back Rafa,teams feared when they walked out at anfield specially all the great europeans nights,game against,Arsenal,Chelsea,R madrid,Barcelona,Porto,and many more games,I use to eagerly waiting to watch liverpool that I would schedules my time at work to watch lfc,now when the game is on tv I can't watch it,I still went and watched carling cup final is oslo bar with local lfc supporters and majority feel that lfc don't fear anyone anymore,any club can take points from us,and this is how low lfc has gone,last season under rafa was disasster,bt all the club politics was to blame,under the new owner rafa would be a good choice,as long cammolli is not there to interfere with rafa's purchase,I'm sure he had some bad signings due to lack of fund but no one can deny that players like alonso,garcia,arbeloa,reina,kuyt,torres,macherano,agger,skertel,lucas and few more,yes ppl will so he signed
Josemi,krompkamp,aqualani,ngogg,but he never had 100million to blow away?under rafa the most expensive player we bought was torres,
So in simple way,with current owners who have said they want best for the club,Rafa would be the perfect choice to take over in summer,
And yeah even if we win tomorrow night whic I want us to win still my opinion will be same KD is not the man to take lfc forward,Rafa is the man BRING BACK RAFA BENITEZ....!!
Tomorrow is Monday and we play on Tuesday...
Alex
11 Mar 2012 20:38:44
Evening Eds and fellow reds , lets try and pick up 3 points on tuesday,then kenny and steve should sit down look at whats missing then if theres any players in the reserves then give them the last 10 league games .play the top players in the fa cup but in the league pull morgan, suso,flano robo,sterling,into the squaud give them 10mins to gain the experence and if one of them comes through then thats one less to look for in the summer.i do think suso and morgan can make the grade . lets take refrence from the anfield rap graig johnston line ( come on kenny man give us a game).any thoughts cheers psv
11 Mar 2012 21:10:49
Burak Yilmaz - Turkish Superstriker - 2012
Looks a good solid player, certainly knows where the back of the net is,
Paul the red
Pretty impressive looks like a late blossomer....2 good feet and quite a bit of pace ...id just be a bit concerned that hes doing it in the turkish league and not germany or holland ...might be worth a punt for 5-6 million
11 Mar 2012 20:27:25
ed, if kenny were to leave in the summer, who would your prefered successor be?
GawaRed {Ed001's Note - I honestly don't see anyone I would prefer, I don't see anyone out there who stands out as a top class manager, except maybe Bielsa. His Chile team was incredible to watch, though their formation was bizarre, since moving to Bilbao he has shown how well he can change his formation to suit the players he has.}
What about emery? Van basten? Klopp? Guardiola? Mourinho? Menezes? Loew? Laudrup?
They are all very capable managers, emery in particular would suit given his track record of working with low budgets, low morale players and fans and he plays attractive attacking football which is moderately successful. Not think any of them could do it ed?
I'd like Kenny to stay but all of those would be good replacements
Nevada {Ed001's Note - I really don't want to get into it, I have no interest in speculating about a replacement for Dalglish.}
Rodgers or low
11 Mar 2012 20:20:52
On top of the obvious gaps that have already been mentioned, I really think we need another LM/LW. If Downing is going to live up to his 'reputation' at all I think he needs more competition. Bellamy is brilliant, but he's never going to have a solid run in the first team, even if he's playing better than Downing due to his age/ fitness. Do we have anyone coming through the youth system that could fill the role? If not, I'd really like to see someone new next season.
Are we even looking at this position eds? {Ed001's Note - Sterling, Suso, Silva are all capable of playing on the left wing.}
I agree with you Ed but do you see any of them getting chances {Ed002's Note - Time will come. You are expecting too much right away.}
11 Mar 2012 20:15:30
not a rumour but please post
eds do you think this is a realistic team for next year?
Reina
Johnson agger skertl enrique
hoilett lucas gerrard philips
suarez huntlaar
subs
doni
kelly
coates
hendo
shelvey
sterling
bellamy
de jong
thoughts eds>? keep up the great work {Ed001's Note - no, Huntelaar?? I can't see any chance of that happening.}
11 Mar 2012 20:09:22
People wanting Kenny out, who would you want to replace him with?
Rafa?
Fabio Capello?
Jurgen Klopp?
Unai Emery?
Quique Sanchez Flores?
AVB?
Brendan Rodgers?
Michael Laudraup?
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Personally, I think the club has failed to keep up with our rivals in a lot of stakes. We're severely restricted by Anfield. Man Utd and Arsenal each earn £1m+ more per home match, and until we rectify the situation, we will continue to slide further and further away. We're catching up with Utd in terms of our kit sponsors, but commercially we're miles behind. While that won't matter to some, the future of Liverpool Football Club depends on it.
Currently we're in the same situation Man Utd were in the 80s, our biggest rivals were winning all before them, and piling up the titles. Man Utd could have 20+ league titles before we can realistically think about winning the league again. The club need to put the structures in place to ensure the future of Liverpool Football Club is a prosperous one, just as Utd did.
Putting in the sort of infrastructure to ensure LFC can continually compete in the future will take time and a huge amount of money, as well as a hell of a lot of patience. Personally I think we need to invest another £100m+ on the playing staff to get closer to the top 4, even more if we want to challenge for the title. Add £400m+ for a new stadium, the £2.5m+ per year to have a grade 1 Academy to get the best youngsters around....
FSG are working on the stadium to find a solution to suit everyone, it is a decision which will influence the future of our club, and should not be rushed. The Academy is starting to develop players who could have a role to play in the 1st team in the not to distant future.
The 1st team at the moment aren't performing, but when you add 9 new 1st team players in 12months, expecting them to gel in such a short space of time is asking a lot. Kenny needs another season to fully get the best out of the team next season. Further Cup success will help, 2 Cup wins this season will be a good achievement, and whilst I say it wont make up for our poor league position, if it happens I will be delighted.
Kenny should get another season to finish the job he's started, but whether he will get it I don't know...
RedSG
I can see your point but Mourinho managed to get plenty of new players to gel in time to pick up a league winners medal in his first year. If Kenny really is king then perhaps he could do the same?
You may point to the riches at mourinho disposal...Kenny spent more. Mourinho spent 70m in his first season. Those of you might say that Kenny hasnt spent that due to the money he re-couped (despite this being a skewed way of viewing business finance) but Mourinho spent wisely and won the league and league cup.
I still think he should be given time, but I can also completely understand why people are now doubting him...the team just arent playing for him. Maybe time will tell a different story...does a club of Liverpools stature have the time to be out of the biggest european competition? I dont think we do.
It only takes a few years absence before we are Everton. They are a club with rich history and tradition and plenty of trophies in the cabinet, but no decent players will move to them. So if you think our history will attract players think again, it will attract some...for a while. 4 years out of CL and we will be in same position as Everton.
Nevada
Seems to me that employing Ian Rush as a 'Shooting Coach' could solve most of our problems at the moment. We lost 2-1 to United (Rooney 2 goals), lost 2-1 to Arsenal (Van Persie 2 goals). These are 2 guys who can be relied on to hit the target most of the time. Suarez is the only player we have of that calibre, but he mostly has to fashion his own openings. Gerrard could hit a few from outside the penalty area in the past, but he has also been misfiring recently. How many times has the ball been blasted high and wide by Downing, Adam, Henderson etc. Extra homework (Shooting Practice) is what's required.
NorthernGit
It is impossible to teach someone how to finish, you either have it or you dont. Ask Fowler to teach someone how to finish and he couldnt do it, its instinct.
I like your points Nevada, the difference is the quality of the players Mourinho brought into Chelsea. I've had a look at his transfers and I think the amount spent in his 1st year at Chelsea and they're as follows:
2005
Aug Michael Essien £24.4m
July Shaun Wright-Phillips £21m
July Lassana Diarra £1m
July Scott Sinclair £160,000
June Asier Del Horno £8m
Jan Jiri Jarosik £4.83m
July Ricardo Carvalho £19.85m
July Didier Drogba Marseille £24m
July Tiago £8m
July Mateja Kezman £5m
July Paulo Ferreira £13.2m
July Arjen Robben £12m
That's well over £100m but look at the overall quality of some of those players, the majority were high quality players entering their prime.
We will have European football next season, but not the competition we crave. If next season we don't qualify for the Champions League, I think there will be greater justification for Kenny to be moved on.
RedSG {Ed002's Note - Robben, like Cech, were not Mourinho buys.}
I just copy and pasted that list from an article in the Telegraph.
RedSG
'skewed way of viewing business finance'
absolute carp from the original poster.
the order in which we bought and sold is irrelevant, that's just how the club decided to do business in the summer. all that matters is the final net spend-roughly £38million under kenny's reign.
that's just over half what mourinho spent and it's 6 years later without even including inflation of player prices. £38million couldn't even buy us sergio aguero now....
Were you defending Kenny there by saying Jose did better because the quality of players were better?
Kenny bought those players so he must shoulder the responsibilities for their quality. Kenny should get more time but perhaps Damian should be given more say on purchases
Nevada
11 Mar 2012 20:07:20
when you have a hunch in your heart that LIVERPOOL might become`like newcastle or leeds. they were so great and now look at them. newcastle have had a good seaon but you know what i mean
11 Mar 2012 19:59:31
whats with all the kenny bashing ??
Record club expenditure and worst run of games since 1954
Oh boy...this blindness is infectious!
"Fickle"Fan
Its a new sport played on the streets of Toxteth after midnight
11 Mar 2012 19:52:36
So if we beat the blues**te on Tuesday, all the fans calling for Kenny's head and for a new manager will no doubt either change their tune or not bother posting at all.
B.Rogers, really? what has he done in football that says he is ready for us? I seem to recall this time last year a massive clamour for Owen Coyle and even AVB to become our manager. Think it safe to say we missed 2 massive bullets there wouldn't you say?
Obviously things are not great at the moment, 3 defeats on the bounce in the league tells the story. But, and this is were I am shocked, the amount of fans, notice I used the term fans to describe us all, as at the end of the day thats what we all are fans of LFC, who actually would gladly sack Kenny Dalglish as we are:
a. Not top of the league - becasue he's spent £100m
b. Not in the top four - because he's spent £100m
c. Because he's spent £100m
I have pointed out before he's actually spent £32m, but clearly those figure doesn't impress the media/some fans so £100m it is then..........Winning the carling cup for £32m doesn't sound quite right either because it's ONLY the carling cup, so spending £100m for winning a cup no one wants, sounds better, right?
We have won one of the 3 competitions we could have entered this year and still with a chance of a second. How many other clubs can say that this season (not including either Manc team as dropping into the Europa gives them an additional chance. Effectively, they are both down to 1 chance and they both cannot win it).
As I said earlier, 3 defeats on the bounce tell their own story. But how easily some fans seem to forget just what a MESS we were in when Kenny took over, effectively a rudderless ship, drifting into obscurity, with owners who had no idea, a manager who was out of his depth and players who no doubt we slated week in week out on here.
Yet in stepped Kenny when we needed him the most (again) and brought a smile back to our faces and a belief to our hearts. He restored our passion, made us feel good about ourselves and OUR club. Yet here we are, well some of us, screaming for him to be sacked as he didn't buy, Mata, Augerio(?) etc but bought established premier players from which he could begin to build a stable base, not one built on sand of quick fixes and star names who come for the money (Tevez, Adebayor for example).
Some fans reference other clubs as a guide to us - what other clubs do/achieve has little interest to me, neither does it matter to me what other teams fans say. I am only interested in ONE club, Liverpool Football Club, my support will always be unwavering (blind some might say) but it will always be there no matter what.
I think some people need to take a deep breath, a step back and realise that this journey back to were we want to be is going to to be a bumpy ride, with a few highs and equally a few lows. But to sack the manager after less than 15 months back in the job borders on lunacy. The two most successful managers of the last 20 years have been at one club, wenger and whisky nose. Even City with all their wealth have realised it takes time to build an empire.
We are all entitled to our opinion and I understand the frustrations, believe me it pisses me off when we lose, but I also believe a little patience is called for here. Sack Kenny, then what the new manager doesn't get us top or top 4 within a year then sack him, then what?. - TMac
No offence but did you support Roy like this?
Plead to give him another season or 2?
That's what I thought. Kenny has no more experience than Roy does, so what makes you think he can succeed?
He's only going to hinder our progress with his tactical ineptitude, and absent knowlegde of leagues and talented potential abroad.
I agree about Brendan Rodgers and AVB however.
We need a world class manager, not a "Match Of The Day fever" manager.
"Fickle"Fan
Personally I think Kenny should stay for 2 more years, the project that whoever our manager is will have to do here will take 3 years minimum.
I think any fan expecting to finish in the top 4 in the first 2 years was deluding themself, if Kenny misses Champs league next year then maybe consider his position then.
However should he go this year then I think any of the following would be decent candidates to follow him.
1 - Unai Emery: can work with a very limited budget and even managed to stay competitive when his best players got sold every year. Solid tactician and his style of football is attractive.
2 - Deschamps: Football may be a bit boring but he is successful. Not scared of making bid decisions and dropping big names.
3 - Van Basten - Good style of football, winning mentality, not afraid of big names.
Nevada
3 -
Fickle - In answer to your question, no I never supported Roy in this way. Simply because I never wanted/thought he was right for our club. When you check his past history his achievements were limited. I still believe the media played a massive part in him getting the job, the same media who don't even discuss him for chelski or England......- TMac
Net spend is different from how much a manage has spent...so i think u'll find its closer to £100 million than £32 million! Also incase you like to forget I will remind you, it was not £35 you spend on Carrot but £35 million, which in itself is more then £32 million....top of the league boys come on!
Fickle Fan
Hodgson was not disliked purely for poor results, so to compare Hodgson and Dalglish is futile. Hodgson was clueless as to what it meant to be a part of LFC - I think his problem was he still couldn't believe he managed LFC - it was too big for him and it was plain for all to see. Kenny is LFC to his core - more than any fan on here, so don't go making such silly comparisons of the two - they are worlds apart in all the right ways when it comes to LFC.
LIVERPRES
Fickle Fan, you are obviously a kid. KD was manger at LFC from 1984-1990, didnt we win the league a few times then?, he also guided Blackburn to a premier league title. He was boss through our darkest hours, yes he has been out of the limelight for a few years, but once you can ride a bike you never forget, you may fall off now and then but you dont forget. He needs one more year, or we will become another Chelsea with an ever revolving managerial door.
LIVERPRES, I respect what you're saying about KK being Liverpool to the core, and I do hate criticizing him as I know if he's reading the comments on here he'd be devasted and heartbroken, so it's not easy and he must be hurting twice as bad as the rest of us.
But I have to be honest and say it as I see it. And surely Kenny himself must realize that the 80's are over, and that it's more difficult than ever for him to compete at the highest level.
"Fickle Fan, you are obviously a kid"
Your obviously being irrational because you dislike my opinion, that in itself would constitute as childishness. Thx for telling me something I didn't already know, but incase you haven't realized, this is 2012 and the game has moved on.
"Fickle"Fan
Dalglish became player manager in 85/86 season, Joe fagan was manager in 84,
Espur
Fickle Fan,
I agree fully with the original poster and yes i did support Roy like this, i was one of the few that thought he had the potential to a decent job and thought he wasn't given enough time, and yes i despaired at his press conferences and signings and well defensive football too but i never once moaned about him as he was the incumbent manager and therefore had my full support as does anyone who pulls on the red jersey, after they go i am quite happy to point out where imo things didn't go right but while they are still here they have nothing but my full unequivocal support, you should try it sometime, they say a change is as good as a holiday. On to your next point, So Roy won the league with Blackburn did he? Oh, must have missed that, Kenny has plenty more experience - to suggest otherwise is rubbish and you know it. Tactical ineptitude? Hmmm does pass and move football no longer work? You better give that bloke in Barcelona a tinkle then as he's completely wasting his time. Now don't get me confused i am not for a second suggesting we are anything like as good as Barca, but the quality of the football in terms of movement and ability to create chances has been superb at times this year, better than when Rafa was here and certainly better than Roy. The absent knowledge of leagues abroad is utter nonsense too, that is why you have scouting teams, do you think SAF knows all the leagues all over the world intimately? of course he doesn't that's why you have a scouting system - its not rocket science now is it! You're fed up, we all are, results recently have not been what's expected, but from what i have seen we simply look like a team without confidence, Charlie Adam is a great example, he was spraying the ball left right and centre for Blackpool last year, dangerous from free kicks, corners and devastating from the spot, has been allowed to do any of that, regularly? Have the people who have been, supplied anything better? (corners accepted, they've poor all round). Let me ask you if you walk out in front of 40K expectant fans and at the first thing you do wrong they all groan at you? what would that do for your confidence? Would you be inclined to try that 40yrd raking cross field ball again or just take the easy option to avoid the possibility of more jeering the "fans"? The effect this has is plain to see, especially with Downing who clearly beats himself up enough (insert your own joke) when things go wrong. Would it kill all the glass half full people to have a little hope pull together back all our guys to hilt no matter what and raise the roof at anfield no matter who the travelling team is? It doesn't seem like much to ask. We can pick the bones out of it all and see how far we have come at the end of the season, don't get me wrong i see flaws and things i would like to see done differently (mostly for us to stop hitting the frickin post/bar) but moaning and bitching about it isn't going to change the outcome, but offering a little support, pulling together and showing some determination as supporters might just transfer a little of the same to the guys on the field, but I fail to see how changing the manager at this point would do anything for the club, I was under the impression we didn't do that at Liverpool, we are patient, understanding and respectful of the players and staff and that all should be given the opportunity to show their worth? Am I wrong? If we beat Everton tomorrow all will be well again on here, which is great but I could just really do without the doom and gloom sack the players sack the coaching staff rubbish every time something doesn't go our way.
Andy C
11 Mar 2012 19:42:25
ed do you think adam isnt playing well because lucas is injured so he has to track back which he isnt good at.DORSET RED {Ed001's Note - yes, he is not playing his game at all, he needs freedom to play his way if you are going to get the best out of him.}
So doing to do with the fact he is a s**t player then {Ed001's Note - he is quite clearly not, which is why he played so well for Blackpool, he is just limited in what he can do. We are not getting the best out of him, instead of playing to his strengths, we are playing to his weaknesses.}
Ok Ed, granted Adam's strengths would be better with Lucas, but the injury has meant he and Gerrard have had to adapt their game....I'm sure we'd all rather see Adam/Steven in the oppositions third but needs must.
Questions, why does Adam try to hit the ball as hard as possible for every shot/penalty? but where have his "£10m corner kicks" disappeared to?
Richards {Ed001's Note - confidence mate, he has none, that is why he spent most of the season deferring to others on the deadballs.}
11 Mar 2012 19:45:37
Hi fellow reds, just a quick comment about the great run we went on this time last year when alot of the displsys were wonderful and goals were flowing, paryicularly away to fulham. I seem to remember maxi and flanagan featuring quite a bit plus gerrsrd was injured i think. i wish we could get back to this standard. Luxas has been a big miss imo.
11 Mar 2012 19:37:43
what we really lack is pace and quality in attack.lets look at the teams above us for wingers and strikers.they all have at least 3 top strikers and good wingers:
MAN UTD-nani,valencia,young,wellbeck,hernandez,rooney,berbatov
MAN CITY-aguero,silva,dzeko,balotelli,tevez,nasri,johnson
ARSENAL-van persie,walcott,chamberlain,gervinho
SPURS-adebayor,defoe,saha,bale,lennon
CHELSEA-torres,drogba,mata,malouda,sturridge,kalou
LIVERPOOL-suarez,carroll,kuyt,bellamy,downing
so if we look at it we have no real pace or quality in front of goal.look at utd and city full of pace and finishers hence why their top.chelsea may be ropey but their forwards are better than ours.arsenal rely on rvp but hes so deadly in front of goal.spurs have pace and finishers.we have bellamy and downing with pace and no deadly finishers.once this is adressed we will win the league.in summer id hope we sign players with pace and finishing and replace maybe what weve got.DORSET RED
Sorry DORSET RED - you lost me at Nani.....
LIVERPRES
11 Mar 2012 19:32:14
A quick stat for u all kennys last game as manager was against everton !! A little bit of history repeating !
Kennys last game as manager was actually against Sunderland yesturday and by last I dont mean he wont be manager again
11 Mar 2012 19:28:34
Guys what about Neil Lennon in the summer?
Young full of passion and bossing the SPL.
He could give our squad a kick up the .... He is hard as nails and always good and picking up good players for a bargin.
Now your just being silly.John lennon would do a better job.
King luis
What about stopping this b@ll@cks and getting behind The King? What about that then?
ND
11 Mar 2012 19:10:43
All you read on this site after a loss is,"Taxi for Kenny", "The players are nowhere near good enough", "We shouldn't of got rid of x,y & z players" etc, etc,etc. The best one is "Kenny's taking our club backwards". You sound like a bunch of spoilt brats that have always got your own way.
So what we lost, it's not like we were going to make top4 after last weekend anyway.
What's important now is supporting the club and bringing the FA Cup to Anfield.
Fans saying Kenny's lost it and he should of bought a ST in Jan are deluded. This isn't a playstation 3 game, this is real life and players don't come easy or cheap in January. Kenny will get it right, but no manager will get it perfect straight away.
We've dominated most teams this season and yes, that doesn't win games. The main thing is we are not far away from competing again and Kenny will do what's needed in the summer. Soon we will be winning and playing beautiful football.
If you've stood there at Anfield and sang YNWA and then come on here slagging the players, manager, club etc then think about what your singing and what it represents. If you still don't get it, don't bother singing it.
Winners of the Carling Cup and one game away from a return to Wembley. Top4 has gone so what does it matter if we finish 5th, 6th or 7th? We already have European football next season Ok it's not our preferred choice but it's better than none at all right?
Lets get behind the team and show our support for the club, Kenny and all of the players. Let's bring the FA Cup back to Anfield and try again for top4 next season. Kenny isn't going anywhere in the summer and he is more than capable of getting us back to the top.
Yes we have a right to be disappointed, yes we have the right to be hurt, but some posts on here are dam right pathetic. Stop acting like spoilt children and trust in a man that has the same passion as you and I.
Walk on with hope in your heart, and you'll never walk alone.
YNWA TIZER RED
Your clueless mate. It's deluded people like you that make the team sound better than it is.
Think you find that most people have been say kenny is the right man for a while. Not after each game, even if we win on Tus night, i agree many fans will be happy. But that doesnt change the fact kenny has to go. He did i good job as safe hands manager but not full time.
Spot on Tizer, I think some fans believe as they "forced" the previous owners out they can now stamp their feet and change whatever they don't like! - TMac
"Kenny's taking our club backwards". You sound like a bunch of spoilt brats that have always got your own way."
"We've dominated most teams this season"
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You are correct on number 1. Liverpool fans who wanted Kenny back in the 1st place acted like spoilt brats by making an open letter to John Henry to oust our last manager and get Kenny back in.
That is acting spoilt. Yes we all wanted Roy out, but we couldn't even let the owners handle the issue themselves.
Bar the CC and 6-7 league games this season, we have been absolutely awful all season...we have become boring to watch and too afraid to take the game to teams. This is the mentality Kenny has installed.
Why can't fans hold him accountable for our lacklustre season?
There's more cutting edge in a wooden spoon.
Kenny needs to walk, it's as simple as that if we are to start challenging again.
It's not the late 80's annymore, the quality of the game has changed, and Kenny isn't competent enough to compete in this era.
He lacks the tactical knowledge required for a team to build, never mind succeed, and it will only hinder our chance of progression.
On a final note...I feel Kenny has no ability at spotting talent anywhere in the world apart from the British isles. It's like he lives in a bubble and can only see things in his own area.
Commoli? No comment!
"Fickle"Fan
PS: I support LFC, not a man associated with it. The club is bigger than Kenny, and I mean no disrespect to the man.
I'm not even wasting my time with muppits that havn't got the ***** to sign there posts.
TIZER RED
YNWA
Fickle fan
We either need our strikers to start scoring or bring in someone who can. We don't need a new manager and we don't need a new sways, we just need a few players in the summer.
We're missing Lucas and I'm shaw next season we will see a different side. A RW and a ST in the summer and we will be a much better side.
We've hit the woodwork 23 times this season. Ok that doesn't win games but the foundations there. We've created hundreds of chances but our finishing has been.
Get behind the team and support instead of winging at every possible chance.
YNWA
TIZER RED
YNWA
TIZER RED
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No offence mate, but I made very valid points about why I don't think Dalglish is capable of making us a force again, irrelevant if he needs another 2-3 yrs.
I just don't think he's got the qualities you need as a manager, to succeed in modern day football.
If you think of me as any less of a fan or supporter because of my views, well it saddens me but your entitled to believe that.
I agree with your point about needing a winger or 2 and striker, but we also need a LB to cover Enrique and an attack minded midfielder (God do we need one of those badly). We need to double up every position.
My problem with Kenny is I don't think he knows much if anything about the talent abroad, and I don't trust Comolli either.
So where is the quality we need going to come from?
"We matched Sunderland". A quote from Kenny yesterday which worries me and makes me question who he thinks we were playing!
"Fickle"Fan {Ed001's Note - what is wrong with Robinson as cover for Enrique? He is excellent and Enrique doesn't miss many, so he can be eased in.}
Nothing wrong with Robinson Ed, in fact I rate him very highly, but why aren't any of these youngsters getting a shot? Even seeing 1 or 2 on the bench from time to time would be encouraging.
They need time bla bla bla.
Well there's no time like the present, especially now more than ever (in the league).
How do we know if they're good enough to represent Liverpool in 2-3 yrs time if we don't give them a chance?
Why hasn't Robinson featured much this season?
"Fickle"Fan {Ed001's Note - because Enrique has been fit most of the season and Kelly is currently ahead of him, due to Robinson's age. He is just a kid, he is not ready to play regular first team football.}
11 Mar 2012 19:09:20
Does anyone know of any other 6 foot 2 right backs in the premiership. As good a talent as Kelly is, he is not a natural right back, he's a centre half and this gets exposed every so often. Yesterday was one of those days, to many touches required because he's to tall for the position. This example in my opinion illustrates the problem we have throughout the team. To many players playing out of position to fill in voids.
Ozone
Not premiership but Paulo Maldini was over 6ft and I think you'll find he was quite a good full back!
Chris in Tamworth
Micha Richards?
Micah Richards isn't tall and slim, he's a stocky build, which gives him power and speed. Point taken re Maldini but I still feel 'the out of position' things an issue.
Ozone
Maldini was exceptional. He was like Gerrard - he could probably have played any position.
But the game has changed, and today full-backs play as wing backs. Kelly is not a wing back. {Ed001's Note - the game hasn't changed that much, Bielsa has shown that you don't have to conform to whatever the latest fashion is. You just need to tailor your tactics and formation to the strengths of the players you have, rather than a one size fits all tactical solution. If your right back is more defensive, then it means your left back gains more freedom to attack instead, it means you can play an out and out winger on the right, because there is no need for cover, etc etc.}
11 Mar 2012 19:08:33
I think the problem is strength in depth. Are first 11 are a very good team, but we don't have adequate back up in key positions and we don't even have a RW in our squad. We have had to do without Gerrard and Lucas for the majority of the season, and the replacements aren't good enough. Spearing and Adam are not the same quality, and Kenny won't play Henderson there for a good spell. Are striking options are Carroll, Suarez and possibly Kuyt and to a lesser extent Bellamy. I'd of liked to see more of Bellamy and Suarez upfront together, as I think Bellamy is a better partner for Suarez then Carroll, however we need to play Carroll between now and the end of the season as much as we can to see if he will ever be good enough. Are defense is great, and we have good players to back them up, but we lack strength in depth in midfield and attack. Next season we will hopefully see Coady replace Spearing as Lucas' back up and some good aditions made upfront and outwide, with some of the youngsters getting a chance, even if its just a cameo. If Ed 002 is right and both Suarez and Kenny leave, we will have to go back to the drawing board and it will be the most important summer in the clubs recent history.
JFT96
Smithy
11 Mar 2012 19:07:14
one more lost Kenny will resign.
No he won't!
Kenny was brought in to steady the ship, noting else, he's not the greatest manager in the world but the players respect him... We've won our first silverware in 7 years and a chance to win more this season, people may not be happy cos we've dropped more points, but get over it, thats football, its not always gonna go our way. The squad we have at the moment is good enough to get us 4th place IMO. Maybe some players aren't playing at their peak but to just say get rid of the manager is stupid. What is the point in sacking Dalglish at this stage? Will we improve all of a sudden if the manager was sacked? I dont think so, get behind the team and do your job as a Liverpool SUPPORTER and give the lads some confidence, dont just criticise their every performance and keyboard bash when we lose... For me the turning points have been losing Lucas and the whole racism saga. I'll always get behind MY team and try get to games and roar us on, its easy to sit at home and complain about this and that cos things aren't going our way. People need to wake up and stop expecting so much, we're still building our squad... We still have players that need to be replaced. Carragher isn't good enough anymore i think thats evident, Gerrards form is up and down, Suarez's confidence is gone, Henderson is trying his best, playing out of position, Enrique needs a rest, Carroll not doing enough up front... We all notice these things but this is what we have til the end of the season, we'll have 3 or 4 new additions in the summer, its obvious what type of players we need, a striker (possibly two), a playmaker, a right winger and another left back as cover and we'll get them. The owners will give money to spend this summer, our squad is already better than what we had the last two seasons. This is just the beginning for us, we'll be alot stronger next season and the young players like Henderson will be alot more settled next season. Keep the faith people, 11 games for us left, still alot to play for this season...
YNWA
Rocky
Not the next game, but I feel his position may become untenable if we lose the next 2 games. It's a sad situation, for sure.
11 Mar 2012 19:05:20
I strongly dislike the club we are becoming!
Bland corporate franchise there to be milked by more SOCCER loving YONKS! Why does the off website have to post Lindas banile tweets "business is the most powerfull force for social change in the world" or telling us how wonderfull the Buffets are. Shankly would be turning in his grave at what LFC have become and how far we have fallen.
Everthing great about our club was achieved by 2 great men Shankly and Paisley. We will never see their like again Lord knows we need to though.
Tom and George out Tom and John in and still we are stagnating.
So Einstein! If you don't have the corporate side of football were do you raise the money to compete at the highest level!!
Mate, the world of premiership football is all about business. The marketing of a Brand, targetting set demographics, and settling on a long term strategy to 'acquire and retain' those consumers (supporters are consumers).
Its a race to acquire new supporters, open up new markets and get your brand message out there, building strong relationships with 'key' stakeholders, sponsors and partners, and continiously looking at new opportunities.
If you don't like it, or can't relate to it, then I suggest supporting a team in the lower leagues or your local sunday teams.
Why do you choose to shop at one retailer and not another, buy certain goods and services, this is all marketing at work, speaking to you, a language you can relate to, issues that resonate with you, and of course the "aspirational concept' (wearing and owning the best, consuming the best, supporting the best).
Shankly's Red Army.
11 Mar 2012 18:50:44
The team need a Gerrard and Owen Type of player from Academy . That can take us in high level. I don't think Liverpool going to buy any high profile player as that will cost £30m to £40m . and owner may not use that amount of money for a player after saw what happen with carroll.
abcd.
2 words.
Adam Morgan.
RenegadeRed
Morgan maybe fella adam is no stevie g
mrbrown
Renegade red your spot on mate.watched in in the win against sheff wed and he was the difference.made 2 scored 1 then got subbed at half time.
We just need to give him a go.
King luis
2 words
Won't happen
Bean
Why do fans obsess over a player being high profile? Was Rushie high profile? Surely it's better and more cost effective to focus our efforts on unearthing some unknown gems and starting to build a team rathe than a collection of 'high profile' mercenaries?
The much vaunted Atletico team that everybody has been creaming themselves over doesn't contain too many high profile players but is based on a sound, organised team ethic and tactics.
Don't judge a player on his market value. Open your eyes and judge him on his abilities.
The Robin.
11 Mar 2012 18:48:21
why do people want rafa? only 1 reason i dont want him, zonal marking. just go for anther manager, not rafa tho!
11 Mar 2012 18:35:41
eds any chance of rafa coming back?
he loves liverpool and i know he has put himself forward for the chelsea job but if the job is available do you think he would take it ?
thanks {Ed002's Note - Please read the other posts.}
Why rafa he is boring and his style of footy is boring! kenny is the man for now and if and when he decides he cannot take us further then there are other managers out there with flair and style.
most liverpool fans are dieheart and hardcore so lets get behind what we have till atleast end of season ynwa
mr brown
Kenny = 7th carling cup
Raffa = 4 years in CL and 2 finals
simples
Kenny = 7th carling cup
Raffa = 4 years in CL and 2 finals
simples
****************
And the guy above you said, "Rafas style was boring".
lmao, he obviously hasn't been watching Liverpool this season under Kenny!
And for the record, we played our best football since the late 80's under Mr. Benitez...sigh, what a short sighted bunch!
"Fickle"Fan
11 Mar 2012 18:33:59
If we had of gotten what we deserved against Arsenal, which was 3 points, then played like we know we can against Sunderland to have also got the 3 points, then we would be right in the mix for 4th. We'd have the momentum over Arsenal & Chelsea and everyone would be really optimistic and singing the praises of King Kenny.
Yet, after 2 really bad results, everyone wants him out. Seriously?!
Think back to the great Liverpool teams, 83/84, 88/89 & 'arguably' the latest 08/09. Each one of those teams had a striker that stretched opponents' defences with great pace & finishing, Rush, Aldridge & Torres. That is what's missing in this current team!
"Kenny out, Kenny out!" will not solve our problems.
If my auntie had an adams apple she'd be my uncle.
Ash
Ash, if you said something positive for a change it, you won't be so grumpy.
KT!
And im fairly sure im not the only one whos tired of thinking back.
ASH did you once work in property for a large retailer if the answer is yes I know you
2 bad results? 10 wins from 27 games would suggest 17 bad results would it not?
11 Mar 2012 18:29:19
Does anyone know if adam's carling cup penalty kick come back to earth yet?
Ask kenny.
Its still on course for the sun
Tom hanks found it and called it wilson
Id like to see some of the critics on here try and take a penalty kick with 90,0000 pairs of eyes watching you. Not to mention the 127 odd countries it's being televised in.
Still the post made me laugh still.
TIZER RED
Thats their job, people watch me in mine, and working in my profession adam's penalty would be like me cutting my arm off on a table saw whilst people were watching me. Fail to see your point, they are paid to play a game at the highest ability for people to be entertained by their attributes which we the supporter watch whether it be at the stadium on the tv or streaming if we were not watching would it of made any difference I personally believe not as I cannot remember a good set piece from adam all season neither can I recall a fairly decent shot from him, so therefore questioning his set piece abilities including his missed penalties is surely a valid point well it is in my eyes anyway
11 Mar 2012 18:20:04
Ed do you think jochim low or le blanc could be possible replacements if kenny left? {Ed002's Note - No idea, sorry.}
11 Mar 2012 18:08:34
last summer when we made our signings i was happy.we had brought:
doni-good backup
coates-young top rated cb
adam-dead ball specialist
enrique-top lb something we were missing
downing-consistant crosser england international
henderson-england under 21 captain
add
suarez- creative spark bags of goals
carroll-young beast of a forward leading num 9
i was thinking wow good signings yes expensive but all young apart from doni.will save us in long run.we spent a total of 115m for 8 players.got rid of loads and got 57m for two players.so affectively spent 58m on 8 players.
iam not happy about are league position but knew it would take a while to get back up there again after two rubbish seasons with mediocre players and a unfit gerrard.so i would of settled for europa league anyway then build again for next season.people moan about adam but at blackpool he had people to cover him allowing him to move forward.thats why we really miss lucas.henderson plays best at cm but kennys played him outwide to learn more roles within the team and to accomodate others.downing on his own admission has been poor.keenys made some mistakes such as not making subs quick enough and not really having a plan b.but he will learn and next season i think we will come back stronger.the only people i see leaving from the 1st team squad are:
suarez
kuyt
maxi
aurelio
johnson
jones
doni
for me spearing is ok but id like to see coady play next to adam in the centre along with henderson aswell.drop suarez and have downing and bellamy supporting carroll.see below:
--------------------reina----------------------
---kelly-----skrtel-----coates----enrique------
--------------------coady---------------------
----------henderson----adam---------------
---bellamy------carroll------downing------------
i feel this would be a good starting eleven and to slowly ease pressure off stevie.suarez i feel needs togo. its not like hes creating any goals or infact scoring.kenny needs to play his first choice 11 everygame. DORSET RED
Paker cost nothing better then Adam. Turan is in £10m we go for downing. Hendo bought in £18m let Aquilani go for £5m ? £35m for Carroll is make everyone laugh. all that not good sign.
hhh
Hhh parker is good but is wrong side of 30.turan is too lightweight and we didnt go for him.hendo was 15.6m so get ur facts right.spurs bid 25m for carroll so we had to bid above.DORSET RED
10 million more lol? Perfect!
No they rejected 30m dumbass so we had to bid 35m.we wanted him and had to pay it to get him.wish people would understand.DORSET RED
11 Mar 2012 18:01:00
holloway wants shelvey back put adam in the car with him
Just send adam and keep shelvey
LeeWils
11 Mar 2012 17:58:11
ed016's note - Remember, Rafa didn't reach fourth spot either in his first year. People easily forget that, and he came in to the club with a much better team than Kenny did last January.
Better?Biscan,Traore etc...Serbian red
He did win the champions league though so we can let him off. Also, the top four were far stronger then than they are now.
Ash
The team he had was nowhere near better, in fact it was a team going through a serious transition. He also signed players that made a difference (Luis Garcia most notably that season) so your comparison is not correct.
Bottom line Liverpool need a top manager. If we remove sentiment can we honestly say Dalglish is a top manager? No we cannot.
Rafa never get this much money for one transfer window. Rafa was close to buy barry and owner say sale to buy. Rafa want Silva we don't have £20m .
so don't blame Rafa. as Rafa make good money for Liverpool. Alonso £30m Torres £50m Mesh £20m and Pepe man utd offer £20m if we want sale sure price going to £25m
what.
Top 4 better back then?
There was only Chelsea, United and Arsenal up there, the rest were miles behind.
KT!
What rafa won the champs league with houlliers team yes he managed the team and got his own players the nxt season so what did rafa with his own players actaully win us an fa cup.
dont see how u can ask for boring football agen.if you want rafa prey he gets a job soon then go and support them simple
mr brown
I would rather play boring and win games than playing exciting and losing every game nobhead
11 Mar 2012 17:52:29
Hey Eds, if Suarez left in the summer, do you reckon we'd try and buy a striker to complement Carroll's style of play?
Thanks, Sam. {Ed002's Note - Any bought would have to fit with the team.}
11 Mar 2012 17:47:48
im afraid the ROT has well and truly set in . sorry to say but theres worse to come . only bright note rodolfo will bring the next gen trophy to anfield . hope he stays
11 Mar 2012 17:32:29
Will Aston Villa win the Prem next year? Will Villa qualify for CL next season? Will Villa bounce back from a poor season by buying some of the best quality players in the world? Will Villa win the title in the next 10 years? NO? Then thats the same chance we have.
We are in fast unending decline. Now our priorities are wage reduction and stabilising after collusol revenue loss.
Cheers Kenny for buying Adam,Hendo and Downing
Ye missed carroll out. all the crosses miss him out as well
Another unsigned rant. YAY!
The only thing we have in common with Villa is that both managers are from Scotland.
KT!
11 Mar 2012 17:31:17
i think kk is obsessed with the number 7
11 Mar 2012 17:28:46
Ed what are the chances of AVB or Rafa being manager next season? {Ed002's Note - The summer is a fair distance away. I would be surprised with either though.}
11 Mar 2012 17:21:08
29 points behind Mancs who also have a 37 goal difference. We have got some work to do.
Ozone
Dont worry Ozone Next year will be ours..
LOL
Red Indian
PS:I am so sad n depressed bec. of beloved LFC.
Debt= failure
Not in kenny's style of football. martin o nil take over sunderland and without any buy he doing better then before .
Debt? You spent 100 million on rubbish, don't blame the cash, blame the person who bought the rubbish?!
Sorry? Rubbish?
Adam- ferguson was a known fan. And said his crosses are worth 10m alone
Henderson- covered by the Raul m deal. Only net amount is 3m. England 21 captain. Only 20 as well?
Downing- last year was villa's player of the year, above young.
Your signings
Young- injured.
De gea- worlds best goal keeper?
Jones- not a bad one at scoring own goals if you ask me.
U spent together more than we did. Counting sales and all, we spent less. Please use logic before u come trashing me.
11 Mar 2012 17:15:38
Can anyone shed any light for me as to why Maxi has been left out of our EPL games but used in the Cups? I can't see any valid reason as to why he doesn't get a first start on the left hand side of midfield?
As for those who think Downing has been poor at least for me he pushes forward at pace and creates opportunities. Of the AV midfielders who left around the same time, I think he has more to offer over the long term than Milner or Young.
Henderson needs to be given more time, he is very young and will develop nicely with another couple of seasons under his belt.
Adam, on the other hand, given his age should have performed much better than he has this year.
The weakness in the team in my view is the lack of the team to pass and move to create space. I don't think it matters who plays up front if they are marked out of the game as a result of being too slow or predictable going forward.
Surely Carroll must be sold and another striker bought to give Suarez more time on the ball as well as a quality CM to replace Adam and Gerrard who wont be able to stay fit given his age.
Thoughts?
Aussie Scouse
If henderson is young and will come good in a few seasons , then why not play shelvey who can play the liverpool way and has more goals and more experience and is also young who could do with a few games , or someone from the reserves team like suso or coady or even sterling whu has pace to burn
11 Mar 2012 17:03:08
Yes its pretty much disappointing but I think we should all stick together and support Kenny till the end of the season at least. Moaning and calling for his head won't improve the situation, Show em the support show it against the coming matches starting from Neverton game.
KENNY WAS THERE WHEN WE NEEDED HIM, NOW IT'S THE TIME FOR US TO BE THERE FOR HIM
The players he bought in is not the best but the problem think more is his tactics, team selection and his too soft attitude towards the players and at defending them.
And it was stupid not to sign one or two players in January. A striker and a CM.
We have strikers who are struggling to score.
Stevie G is no longer guaranteed playing regularly and Lucas is out. don't get me wrong Spearing is a decent player but not enough quality to provide strong cover for Adam and Henderson.
Still Kenny can finish 5th and win FA cup with this players, he needs to stick with a team, play the players in their positions.
For the summer I don't know what will happen but if we win the FA Cup and finish 6th/5th that's a decent season. But no FA cup 7th then owners needs to warn Mr. Dalglish.
We need at least three/four new players, provided that no key players leave, we no doubt need a striker, a new CM, a right winger.
Young players such as Wilson and Shelvy needs to play in EPL to get experience on loan and other youngsters who are qualified enough to go on loan should also leave to lower divisions ..Players like Kuyt, Maxi, Aurelio, Doni and Johnson [he 'll be missed very much] are expected to leave. And Spearing also need to go he is a hardworking player but not the quality for a top team.
And for Suarez I think if we get an offer around 40M + and he wants to leave then yes he can go with that money we can buy two players of quality. And once again when it comes to buying players Kenny Dalglish needs to change his philosophy no more mediocre British at higher prices as squad players, need to buy real continental quality for first team. Of course getting quality players without UCL will be very very difficult but sacrifices needs to be made and we 'll see how tough & ruthless the owners are!
No doubt summer will be once again big time! Will Kenny step down or will get fired, or one more season in-charge! how will it be our transfer dealings! What will the owners do!
Armando
As you have said in your post , about tactics as bad buys , its all down to kenny , no one else , he never drops a player who has played poorley , so the player knows he does not have to put a shift in , i admire your madness on were we will finish and winning the f.a.cup , you even think we will finish 7th , wake up and smell the coffee , if we get beat on tuesday wich is looking likely the way we have been playing and the fact that the bad players will play again , then we will be behind neverton and in 8th place , we have won 2 game in 11 , so good luck for us winning the f.a. cup and finishing 5th or 6th , time to wake up armando ,,,,,,,,micky b
Kenny was there when we needed him, now it's the time for us to be there for him!
this is the very reason we havent won a single league title for 20 years n counting. f**k the sentiment, no one is bigger than the club. kenny messed up big time, n he has to go. if we go on like this, the 20 years will become 40 years without a league title.
indian buzzer
11 Mar 2012 16:49:27
It didn't take long after the Final Whistle for Rodgers to be called as Manager
Give me F"!:'n Strength!!
Lyndon
Think yourself lucky!
This time last year it was Owen Coyle!!
Some were calling for him months ago
I take it the ones disagreeing. Are the ones as the final whistle blew in Swansea they got straight on to Hail him as The New Messiah!!
More chance of being a very naughty boy
Lyndon
11 Mar 2012 16:48:40
How can it be possible? We are sitting here almost at the end of the season. In january a year ago until now, we have bought players for over 100 M £! Have the players been worth near the 100 M £? Liverpool is a huge club, but i am loosing faith in them! I will support them until the end of time, but I do not want KK, Commoli and the other to just fool around with the money they are being giving! It cannot be right! 100 M £ of players but it seems we are getting worse! Last year 6th. This year (+100 m £) probably 9th place. Why does the players not respect our club?
11 Mar 2012 16:46:11
Just reading kennys comments yesterday. Why does he keep saying stupid things to the media. We used to moan a woy but kennt is just as bad. I quote
"'If we could maybe get fourth spot, it would be fantastic for the football club, but winning the Carling Cup was fantastic, getting into the sixth round of the FA Cup is more than where we have been for a little while"
OMG this is the hight ambation this year. To win the micky mouse cup and get to the 6th round of the FA cup. Maybe he forgot that we have been to 2 CL finals in recent years. But hey why would we want fourth place. We dont need CL football next year we can win the Carling cup again.
Time to get your coat kenny I think.
U r right kennys comment sound like of a manager who knows he is trouble thus the sales pitch.
Red Indian
Kenny lost his touch. out of football for a long time can make that happen. he was rocking in 1990 era it's 2012.
What's the problem with what he said? Which bit of it wasn't true? You all sound like a bunch of Stun readers. Get a grip.
ND
Seems like a man on the verge of the sack. I dont see why winning the carling cup got most of u so excited, even birmingham won it last year, n now they r in the championship. A trophy is after all a trophy, but nothing more than a bonus. Aim shud be top4 finish.
Indian Buzzer
11 Mar 2012 16:44:55
eds just read that why might try and buy evertons roysten drenthe heard anything? {Ed001's Note - the one on loan from Madrid who is out of contract in the summer so on a free?}
11 Mar 2012 16:43:07
Hey,Personally I think Kenny will still be with us though next year as were still building a new squad.
However, I was just wondering. If Kenny is to leave in the summer. Who would you Like to have as the next manager?
Thanks, John.
I think The Man deserves a second full season after all he's done for the club and what the club means to him.
Lyndon
Rafa Benitez
11 Mar 2012 16:38:08
Just had a thought - Next season we'll have Lucas back. But whats the likelihood of Gerrard, Johnson and Agger staying fit after the Euros? Low. Very low.
Cannot see Johnson going to the Euros or playing for Liverpool next season.
Quite high I would imagine for Gerrard and Johnson as England will be out of it quite early
It still decreases their chances of being fit for next season, and they're all quite injury prone. IMO Johnson will stay for another season, Kelly's not ready yet.
11 Mar 2012 16:36:30
reports dzeko may ace axe this summer. If that is true,hope we get him somehow. He has adapted to the premiere league well.
11 Mar 2012 16:30:02
Eds,
why are comolli and dalglish always saying they are happy with the squad and delighted with the players who came in?
we are 7th in the league - nowhere near top 4 - and haven't really made progress since this time last year, concerning the league position.
Dalglish always says we now have a much better squad than last year, too.
They really can't be happy with the players and how things are going, do they?
Eds please give me an answer.
Why are they so happy with the squad though we haven't reached our aims and targets for this season? {Ed002's Note - I cannot answer whay Dalglish says the things he does. Sorry.}
Because he thinks it is good bussiness to buy players for 100M£ and end up worse than last year.
Because he's not going to go on the record as saying he's at his wits end with some of the players and how things are unfolding. Secondly it does nothing for the spirit of the team to openly announce that they're a shower of sh*ep.
Ozone
11 Mar 2012 16:21:41
i think players like suso sterling and coady should stay in the youth for a year or so because if you give them a try and they fail it will knock there confidence down and they will not be thought as highly of and no one will take them out on loan but if they keep playing well in the youth teams will be fighting to take them out on loan eds i would just like to know yours and everyone else opinions on the youth players thank you
Well, Shelvey is in much more confidence and has played well for us and Blackpool, whenever given chance. Why not use him. May be, he can do much better. agree with u on Suso, but I believe, if he's given a chance, he can cut it out. As I remember Flanno and robbo last year. They were great, indeed. YNWA
11 Mar 2012 16:21:04
{Ed002's Note - Certainly Liverpool have shown some interest in Soldado as have Milan and PSG. At about 25M euro or more Soldado would not be cheap.}
ED then who is cheap? Martin Jakson is cheap we don't want. Shaqiri been sold in $8.5m we not after him then who do we want ? Messi in $10m ?
Rock.
{Ed002's Note - What are you talking about? I was asked if there had been interetest in Soldado - that is all.}
If u don't pay big amount of money then sure have to take the risk of untested star who can turn to be £30m star.
Luuk is just as prolic, cheaper, younger, and requires less service than soldado
11 Mar 2012 16:18:41
If we loose to eveton we will not even be the best team in liverpool. I hope we get a new manager soon.
11 Mar 2012 16:18:12
just to rub salt in your already damaged wounds.
The champions MAN UTD are back on the top!
no.20 here we come.
United on the up. loserpool on the decline
TRUMORS
The only thing in decline are ur brain cells sir
big red john
You should be banned you manc
Haha and blair payne says we're bitter lol. Although I bet it hurts seeing the mighty utd back on top.
CnM
11 Mar 2012 16:16:14
After watching the game for a second time, it's clear to see it's average, too slow in midfield, too many touches in wrong areas, no ideas how to open up teams.
I hope Kenny is in charge for next season but i hope he realises his signings are not first team players for LFC.
Hopefully in the summer the owners give Kenny a tidy budget with money we raise from sales. I Believe the players we have will not get us into the top 4 next year, so i am going to put ?? marks in areas of the team I think we need improving just to challenge for CL next season.
Renia
Kelly Agger Skrtle Enrique
?? Lucas Gerrard ??
??
??
Squad: Doni Coates Henderson Downing Bellamy Carroll Carra Spearing and any reserves to come up
That's not a bad squad for games.
If i had my way i would ship out :
Glen Johnson
Dirk Kuyt
Adam
Luis Suarez
Aqua
J.Cole
These would provide decent funds and i do not think would be missed that much.
I Know i will get a lot of disagrees as i have put Suarez up but i think we will make our money back off him, where as Carroll is a completely different type of player and we would have to take a massive loss on him.
What do you guys think?
G BOX
I think anyone wanting to keep Jay Spearing in a liverpool shirt suffers from delusional disorder. He's not good enough,period.A Championship player at best.
Jay Spearing is a decent enough player for squad rotation I.E carling cup games to rest the main players.
11 Mar 2012 16:14:40
Is Andy Carroll injured? Personaly I don't think he is the best striker, but he start to play well. and do well in his last 2/3 match why he benn droop ?
R-R
Who's this Benn Droop? Is he any good? Do we have any interest? {Ed002's Note - Dutch U18 international. Perhaps an exchange for Kuyt?}
Well downing did well in the last 2-3 games before being dropped. While Henderson hasn't been good enough, but he kept on starting, though he did well at Arsenal probably after a very long period of time. Only Kenny knows, why!
11 Mar 2012 16:24:43
Houllier failed to get 4th and was sacked.
Rafa failed to get 4th and was sacked.
Roy failed to get the results and was sacked.
Kenny has done no better and has failed in the main objective to make us serious contenders again.
If we are an ambitious club then sentiment aside he has to go.
Did anyone really believe that by signing Charlie Adam or Downing or Henderson we could compete again? At most they are squad players. Last summer we needed proven world class quality and then over the next few windows add depth at the right price.
Epic failure Kenny. I remember the end of your tenure last time and it was the same bad decisions.
Kenny spent more in a shorter period
Roy evens the man who take the dare to give Owen and Gerrard a go. even Fowler drop many time for Owen that pay us back. Kenny not take that risk.
11 Mar 2012 16:01:19
SO ITS KENNY OUT.......SHOULD WE GET ...David moyes ten years in charge at everton ..achievements : fa cup losers 2008 : worst ever away defeat In the clubs history 0-7 arsenal : worst ever points total (33) in top flight in efc history 2004: worst ever goals scored (34) in efc history : he has never won a league match at old Trafford,Stamford bridge,highbury/emirates,anfield here's to the next ten years... ENJOY…Big day tuesday..
Yeh but imagine if david moyes 100 mil to spend. hmmmm thought that would make you think.
You saddo can't believe that you actually researched all that just to make your point.
No to Moyes thank you very much - but there are other managers out there you know, so why point out the bad points about moyes?????
11 Mar 2012 15:59:13
The thing is if u question king kenny ur called a hater !
It's not the case but u have to question his buys !! The way we handled swarez !! His strange selections ! As u know I'm a rafa fan so I've nailed my colours ! Kenny was good to steady the ship , he should move up stairs help with the brand . People on here keep saying play the youngsters ! The same youngsters that rafa picked to start the academy of again 3or 4 years back !! He made mistakes sure , but the biggest thing that happened to rafas reign was h.g !! I for one think if kenny doesn't last then I think rafa has got to be worth a go !! If rafa hadn't gone to war against h.g we might not have a club !! Hes the man who Sussed h.g to be asset strippers !! And for that alone including his faults I would give another chance !! Plus in 20 years there's only been rafa who's scared old whiskey breath !!
Would have been a different stroy if we had kept him thats for sure.
But you cant say anything bad about kenny here dont you know :(
How exactly did Rafa scare Fergie? Please explain. If I remember correctly we were top of the league until Rafa had his infamous "Fact" rant and handed the title to Fergie. Liverpool did nothing after that and Rafa was sacked a few years later. Scared my ars*!
11 Mar 2012 15:58:24
After taking a step back and thinking about the last few years, i feel things look bleak for us. It is time to admit that we are a mid table team, and stop leaving of past history.
Rafa was the only manager that could have made us the best team in England again. He should never have left, when you look at his record and the squad that we had then compared to now it is shocking to see how far we have fallen.
We used to be in the top 4 ever season and getting to the later stages of the CL. Now people seem to be happy that we have won the Carling cup, i agree a cup is a cup but to me the Carling cup is the same as the Charity shield or euro super cup. We should be going for the CL and league.
This brings to Kenny, i am to young to remember him first time round. But looking at the past his was a legend, but that where he should have stayed in the past. Let be honest if he was that good a manager why was he out of work so long, why has no other top team gone for him?
The current squad is now where near a top 4 squad, i thought in the summer that they player we are buying are not good enough. But wanted to give them time, but the league never lies. People say give them time, but how much time do we give. This season top 4 should have been a minimum end of! A Carling cup win means bugger all. I cant see players picking us over a team with CL football because we won the 2nd cup in England.
It no looks like we are out the CL again, which means that we have less money, top players wont come and the longer this goes on the harder it will get. We will find it hard to get top managers and players. A new stadium is still as far away as ever, and this will mean our income will still be less that all the top teams. People might not like the fact that money talks, but that's just the way it is nowadays. We need Cl football to get top players. I feel sorry for Gerrard as he has given his career to us and deserved to lift the league championship but looks like he will never get that chance.
Anyway rant over, lets see what happens at the end of the seas son but i wont hold my breath. We need raffa back or a top manager if we are to be feared agian.
YorkshireRed
Why dont you take a step forward and open your eyes?
The club was in administration last year. We were paying Milan Jovanovic and Joe Cole £200,000 a week. Christian Poulsen was our midfield hardman. David Ngog was our star striker as Torres couldn't be bothered to lift his finger for the team.
We've had to start from scratch, however frustrating it is, Kenny isn't a magician. But you seen how capable he is at the end of last season.
Stu.
Who was in Administration last Year!!
Lyndon
Apologies, NEARLY in administration. Oops..
stu.
11 Mar 2012 15:58:19
Have just collected the keys to my new home.
No 1, Premier League Place, Champions Street, Wonderland.
Eric Banterna
Hope you havent paid it off in full cause you wont be there long
11 Mar 2012 15:58:05
This week couldn't get any worse really could it, Liverpool lose, Everton win, Chelsea win, Man Utd win, Man City lose, Man Utd back at the top of the table.
Can we just like get this season over and done with FFS
Why if big changes are made it will be the same next seasson!
Weel, it is indeed. Bad from City, Utd back at top and can move for 20th. Ahhh, terrible for us. Hope, we'd be back soon. YNWA
11 Mar 2012 15:55:48
Ed why is it that mourinho is not an option if kenny goes? Everyone seems pretty sure he is coming back next season and there are probably only 3 clubs he could go to(us chelsea and spurs) Plus he has always had a bit of an obsession with lfc even when he was at chelsea. Great site by the way {Ed002's Note - I really don't think Mourinho will be at Liverpool and the reasons are not really a matter for discussion.}
Why would a top manager come to us. He would need to change the whole squad less a few players, will the onwers give the cash for that.
Gone are the days of Torres, Alonso, Mascherano and the likes. But hey we have adam and downing now!
Mourinho will not come to LFC, and its for the same reason that we will not attract top players, simple answer no CL football. {Ed002's Note - It is not that reason, but you are right that he won'tbe making the move.}
11 Mar 2012 15:30:29
I want KD to win us to take us as far as possible in the FA cup and then leave the club in the summer because our league performances are just not good enough...i believe we have good enough players. With 1 or 2 new players and a new manager we will be a strong team.
Let me be more clear. I don't want Rafa ( because if he starts loosing then ppl will want KD back and then we are back to square one again). and i don't want a mid team EPL manager ( i don't care what they have done with limited budget )...I want someone who wants to win at the highest level and change the players mentality. We need leaders on the pitch and not players who are still nervous after more than half a season
Respect to KD for what he's done but more often then not his tactics and management have not been great. What do you guys feel?
Pankaj
11 Mar 2012 15:21:58
Everyone is moaning about Stewart Downing, and even his replacemnet Bellamy struggled yesterday. For me Downing has improved quite a bit in the last few weeks and probably should have played from the start yesterday.
Andy Caroll needs to spend most of his time in the box and less time trying in vain to link with the play, thats suarez's job. Downing cant get on the end of his own crosses and until some one starts putting his crosses away his assists will remain low, not his fault.
Jordan Henderson is slowly improving and suarez should have done better with his chipped assist yesterday. Buts lets face it, Jordan is no right sider.
Play Glen johnson on the right, ahead of Kelly, Downing on the left ahead of enrique.
reina
kelly, agger, skertel, enrique
johnson,gerrard/henderson,spearing/adam,downing
suarez/bellamy
caroll/kuyt
Downing is s**t he only performs against lower division teams.
Bellamy is a striker that is sometimes played on the left wing.
Downing is a left winger sometimes played on the right.
You can't knock Bellamy for yesterday playing out of position in a team playing cr*p.
Can't remember him being passed the ball more than 2-3 times
11 Mar 2012 15:20:31
If Roy had been given the £100m that Kenny has been given we wouldn't be in this mess!
I mean, come on, Konchesky and Poulsen were astute buys for a manager with poor owners (Dallas Cowboys.) Henderson just doesn't have the maturity that he should have at his age, he obviously can't hack it.
Even Rafa would have bought a better striker than the big lump Andy Carroll. Look at Robbie Keane for example, he was top class in the 6 months he spent with us. And even Fernando Morientes, that left footed screamer against Charlton was worth millions!
So, Tom and John, i beg you, get Kenny out, and bring back one of our past masters back.
Yours Sincerely,
FickleFan2k12.
Ha ha ha ha, did you actually keep a straight face when you typed this.
Sooty
I was about to mental at you until i read the name.
KT!
Sorry for the scare KT.
Stu.
11 Mar 2012 15:14:00
Kenny for england,kenny for england..
Or
We r staying up,we are staying up..
Songs we may have to sing soon..
11 Mar 2012 15:09:50
I thought twice about having a look at this site today, cus I was already disappointed about our match yesterday, and I didn't want to feel any worse. The Kenny haters are out in force, that's for sure! Was a bit surprised to see even ed 001 being pulled by the dark side! Give kenny time!! It's the only way forwards. We havn't played badly too often under kenny. Ok, I think we need 2 good players in the summer - definate first teamers, not squad players, and I think it will make all the difference. Getting rid of kenny, dismantling the team and rebuilding again is, in my opinion, not the right thing to do. I'm as frustrated with Saturday as the next man, things just didn't click, but I can assure you that everyone will turn up on Tuesday! Nick. {Ed001's Note - I am not being pulled at all, I have said it is too soon to make changes yet, far too soon.}
11 Mar 2012 14:27:35
Ed001 how highly is Rodolfo Borrell rated within the academy? And do you see him as a first team coach.
GuvTOB {Ed001's Note - he is very highly rated around the world, the best thing Rafa did was bring him to Liverpool. Personally I am not sure I would want to move him from working with the kids, he does such a fantastic job there.}
Well, I hope, he'd stay at the academy. he's world class, indeed. Rafa did absolutely great to bring him here. He's just superb. YNWA
11 Mar 2012 15:05:03
I thought being a LFC fan was about sticking together and supporting the team through thick or thin?
Get behind the team for a change, where was all the talk of Dalglish not being good enough when we won the CC?
Ed001, don't know how you cope being a Liverpool fan having to edit this page.
KT! {Ed002's Note - He sits wimpering in the corner and leaves it to me.}
No point u give kenny more chance and next year in january pull your hair again for sure.
11 Mar 2012 15:03:45
Any truth that we are interested in Kuba from Dortmund. I know we were linked with him a number of years ago.
11 Mar 2012 14:56:44
So Lfc play some games brilliantly but cant score then we play absolutely rubbish...Wonder what the problem is
Not enough goals.
Cuchulainn's Hounds
Lack of goals and quite avg and inconsistent players at the squad. Well, hope, things would go better. terrible 2012 so far, in BPL. Awful, indeed. :(
11 Mar 2012 14:50:10
I am not in support of sacking Kenny, but I think if you step back and really look at the squad, does it look like it has potential? Forget the cost of players. Just look at the talent. Gerrard is injury prone and ageing. Suarez is undoubtedly talented, but only one season in and defenses seemed to have already figured out his trickery. Downing was never a star, simply had one good season. Ditto Adam. Carroll I think has great potential, but bringing him off the bench with 10 mins. to go each game will not realize that potential. Henderson? He may have potential, but I haven't seen any glimpses of it. I watched him play atleast 20 times for Sunderland, and he looked like he could become a decent Sunderland player, but never a star on a top four side. Anyway, I could go on, but I am not pointing out what you don't already know. I just feel like we haven't really built any sort of nucleus. A few years ago it was Torres/Gerrard/Alonso/Mascherano/ which is a solid nucleus to build around. Do we have a comparable nucleus? (Suarez/Adam/Henderson/Lucas). I am not trying to be sarcastic, I am asking a real question. Lucas is undeniably good, and his injury was in truth catastrophic to our season. I think most of us are having doubts about Suarez. Adam and Henderson (IMO) would not start on any of the other teams in the PL. The fact that Kenny says he is happy with the current squad is really scary. Presumably he is lying to save face, but if he really believes this, then we have a long few seasons ahead of us.
11 Mar 2012 14:44:01
I just keep hearing that the likes of Suso, Sterling, Morgan, Coady, Wisdom etc are not ready for first team action. Personally, I think that Kenny prefers his rubbish signings rather than the young stars. Just for info, when did Messi enter the Barca 1st team, when did Ronaldo start playing 1st team football, when did Neymar enter 1st team?? just wanna know and have an idea whether these promising youngsters will ever be given their chance or not. Thx to anyone giving the info.
I don't know why none of them are ready ? when u lost the match then why not with young star .
11 Mar 2012 14:33:55
Its times like these you need an educated voice of reason..
Cheers Ed001.
Stu.
When the going gets tough, Ed001 gets going !
The Real KB
11 Mar 2012 14:27:42
The players we have a are good enough to challenge for a Top 4 place. I don't think there is enough squad depth to challenge for prem yet but there is enough in that squad to be pushing Arsenal/Chelsea.
So what is the problem?
Tactics, substitutions, playing players out of position, constantly changing team selection and formation...
Chuck Norris
Also the players signed Chuck
The only player who presents a goal threat has dodgy knees and can't play very much. And our best midfielder is out injured.
Well our spending was terrible. That's the biggest reason, we're not challenging for 4th spot. :(
11 Mar 2012 14:26:59
Eds, is there any interest for the Los Che striker Soldado? Also the giant up front in Andy Carroll not performing as we all wish, perhaps sending Carroll out on loan to a side like Swansea (someone in the EPL who will provide him with enough experience and confidence to hopefully become England and Liverpool's next target man)? And I agree with your comment regarding Muniain and I think the likes of a Remy or Hazard, although will be to sign, someone of this quality would be positive for the side to strive for a top four spot! Welliton may not be gaining interest from Liverpool, they should really look into the Brazilian, Cheers!
Bev {Ed002's Note - Certainly Liverpool have shown some interest in Soldado as have Milan and PSG. At about 25M euro or more Soldado would not be cheap.}
11 Mar 2012 14:15:08
ed how good is joe allen is he in the mould of paul scholes?
{Ed002's Note - I can't help, sorry. Perhaps someone else has an opinion.}
Didnt know he had ginger hair
Shanio1
Similar in play, it's like comparing llorente and Carroll, one is better, one has less experience
11 Mar 2012 13:56:17
We are the best underdog team there is in league or cup matches and have been for a long while but when we are the favorites we normally flop, if we can sort out this mentality even with this team we could do well.
We just don't know how to handle the pressure of being favorites, we seem to think just by turning up in our red shirts teams will hand us points on the plate.
abbs
11 Mar 2012 13:55:37
Everyone seems prepared to give kenny more time, i heard one fan say he needstwo more seasons. Lets be fair and say some younger players need time to settle but its not so true if they have played in the premiership before and have played international football at under 21 and full international level.
I think Henderson will come good, I actually feel sorry for carroll he seems to be getting little service and has been very frustrated. He may leave and go to another lesser club like stoke and score plenty as they will feed him the right type of balls.
But the one thing few fans seem to comment on is, our owners may feel the first 100 million invest have failed to bring improvement in the premier league, this s the yard stick of our success. Not the carling up
11 Mar 2012 13:51:59
Pls let rafa return ! Rafa's warriors !
Let the past go everyone we need a fresh start
Raffa is the only world class manager that would come, i believe. He should never have left in the first place
11 Mar 2012 13:40:53
KENNY should be given more time,and it is the players who are not doing there jobs!
So who bought those c**p players? Of course it was ur beloved kenny, wasnt it?
Indian Buzzer
Well, I wonder if it would have been hodgson and the club in such turmoil, what ur opinion would be!
Kenny is undoubtly a legend but so was Souness. We need some results to patch the things up and unfortunately there hasn't been much positives all the season. leaving us way out for the 4th spot race with still 11 game remaining to the season. Terrible. :(
11 Mar 2012 13:14:11
Odd for next manger:
Jose Mourinho 5/1
Rafael Benitez 16/1
Guus Hiddink 16/1
Didier Deschamps 16/1
Odds for KD next manager to be sacked:
33/1 :(
Looks like he might be hear for a while yet then
Don't look sad mate, I blame the payers for our failure, manager needs to get tough with them full stop, his job will be lost before theirs.
Pls let it be rafa !!
But the manger picks the team, he purchased the players.
On paper now a days we are not a top 4 team, how many current palyers would get in any top 4 teams. 2 I think!
We are still and 2 man team but gerrard is getting older now, and luis will be off at the end of the sesson i feel.
The book stops with Kenny
Isn't guus with anzhi?
Well kenny is more responsible for this than the players. He bought pretty avg players, with leaving many better players behind available for lesser money. and none of his signing has been consistent. apart from Suarez, Bellamy and may be enrique. About 80m was spended on players who are very very inconsistent. 1 good game and then terrible for many. and then shuffling squad too much and his lack of bravery with subs. Well, there are many reasons!!
He is undoubtly a great legend and person, but things are not getting right. YNWA
11 Mar 2012 13:10:16
hello ed, i don't know if it have been posted before if it did i apologize for any inconvenient i just want to know if kenny move away from the manager post in the end of the season who would be the ideal n special one to replace him everyone views are the most welcome {Ed002's Note - The summer is still away off but there is plenty of speculation if you read the posts.}
11 Mar 2012 13:01:05
Just wondering how much of an impact people think Lucas' injury has had on our season? Granted we might not have scored many more goals, but I feel we might not have racked up so many losses, most notably I don't think we'd have lost v Arsenal, and we'd perhaps be much closer to top 4... Just a thought.
DP
Massive
We could have been challenging for fourth
11 Mar 2012 12:52:55
commoli will be sacked in the summer kenny will take his job as director of football. who comes in god knows michael laudrup will do for me . the cliques at anfield need to be broken up the clique is carra gerrard reina and sorry to say kenny . im afraid luis will go carroll etc the new manager will have us playing football the barca way . there will be no alehouse balls for carroll . no use trying to play football if the cliques wont do it . we have the return to the spice boys dont want to get sweat on the armani suits . owners not yet built new stadium this has to happen this summer otherwise there no different to last owners
Laudrup would do for me also, however Kenny has to finish the rebuilding job first and that is going to take another couple of years. He has got to manage the easing out of Gerrard and Carragher over the next couple of seasons along with the moving on of Kuyt, Bellamy, Johnson, Rodriguez. etc and possibly Reina. It would be unfair to bring in someone new and drop all that onto him. RED LENIN
There is so much wrong with this post, it is rather difficult to know where to begin pulling it to pieces. Perhaps I should be gentle, however, as it has left me with the unnerving vision of Kenny Dalglish as a Spice Boy. Perhaps you will be suggesting Martin Skertel is one next.
Red Owl
Don't think KKs got a good enough track record in Buying players to be made Director of football!!
Think about it before you press send next time
Lyndon
Last week Carra
Yesterday Kenny
Today Gerrard
????
The problem with "Kenny needs time to rebuild" is: will the owners trust him with the money to buy players? If the answer is no, then he cannot possibly be manager.
I'm afraid the purchases of Carroll etc may have irreparably damaged his credibility in that regard.
Low or Rodgers for me! Anyone agree that Swansea play outstanding football, and he is not known for making expensive and useless buys?
11 Mar 2012 12:41:01
If A new manager arrives do you think he will be given similar funds to kenny? {Ed002's Note - I really have no idea.}
11 Mar 2012 12:35:38
Most want to have a go at Kenny
But have NESV been fantastic in all this?
They have so far displayed the tenets of being careful owners
However there is a lot we don't know about then such as
How involved are they in Running the club
What is there long term interest in Liverpool FC
What vision do they have for the club
Can they realistically financially compete with those clubs above us
Are we a medium term or long term project
How are they going to improve the club, some may say they have done this already with improved sponsorship deals, however is there more to come
How are they going to get a return on Investment
And many other questions
NESV's attitude towards the club has not yet been truly seen its still early days and what they do wil have more impact then Kenny going forward
Touched by Madness
I'm pretty sure NESV'S involvement in our club has little to do with the fact we failed to beat teams like sunderland x 2 swansea fulham norwich E.T.C
G BOX
Is there a bigger issue?
The problem is kenny, not the owners. How conveniently do u guys shift the blame frm ur king on the owners who have not put a foot wrong since they came here. Get over it, kenny's legacy died 20 years ago, n it is never gonna come back.
Indian Buzzer
Well they have stabilize the club, its in a vastly improved financial position than it was before they arrived. They have provided with enough funds to spend on players. made a strong network. acadmy is prospering. What else can they do. Buy Messi for us. C'mon freind. They are doing a fantastic job at the club. The players we bought are the reason for this drop and the person, who bought them. :(
Ed1 a lot of blem is put on kenny honestly do you think if we would go for proven players will owners pay wages. For top players wages are high eg higuan benzema etc etc {Ed001's Note - I am not putting the blame on Kenny, there is a lot more to it than that. We are after players that play because they want to, not those that want the most money.}
11 Mar 2012 11:58:34
ed is there any interest in erik lamela or ezequiel munoz,thanks.
wafa {Ed002's Note - No.}
11 Mar 2012 11:58:24
Let's buy Athletico Bilboa players/Managers
They beat Manu big Deal! World Beaters?
Their form in la liga
P25 W9 D10 L6 much better than our form in a weaker league??
Talk about Kneejerk who will it be next wk!!
Lyndon
Eds,
I'm nominating this as Post of the Day.
Please send the hamper, and put it on my tab !
The Real KB
11 Mar 2012 11:14:19
Hello Ed002,
don't know if you agree but the keeper is ok - Reina has always had a few floops a season but done good job, Skrtel and Agger are great this season and they've got good back up with Coates and quite solid in Carra. If any CB leaves, we need replacement. LB Enrique is good enough, he needs a good back up if Aurelio goes, RB Kelly can be great if Johnson leaves, Liverpool need one more.
As far as midfield goes : there is no good left winger unless Downing wakes up, there is no good right winger. We can be quite happy with the middle with Steven, Lucas. Don't know if Adam stays, if he does and improves a bit, can be great too.
That leaves us with strikers. Neither of the two has done good job this season. It's possible that both of them will do better next season, but seems unlikely to me. If they could, they would have till now. So at least one, if not two strikers should be bought.
I am quite happy woth what has changed with LFC this season, I hope that some more players are offload in the summer and three or four players arrive. So to conclude, my view is similar to what you keep on saying for the last weeks. Wingers and a RB. And replacement for any other starting 11 player that leaves in the summer. The problem is that not getting to CL will make it hard to lure great players to Anfield. So, we may wait another season and only if CL is secured next season, so called "big names" may arrive. But how to get to CL with this squad next season if this season we are so far off the top two or three?
11 Mar 2012 12:30:58
ok It was a very poor result and performance yesterday. But people calling for kenny to be sacked are ridiculous.The league position is a huge injustice to how we have performed in the league this season. We are just hugely missing someone who can put the ball in the back of the net. I also think we are missing a winger with sheer pace. For me downing is just not good enough for us as I expected when he signed. charlie adam needs to step up his game massively or he is simply not good enough. Not matter what people say suarez is a world class player. He has not hit the back of the net as many times as we would like but he can't be to blame for that. were is his support to help him upfront? who is going to assist him and who is going to chip in with a few goals? at the moment no one is doing this to help him. Also luis is not that kind of striker. He needs a world class striker for support to help him. I would idealy want higuain but that is very unlikely to happen so there still needs to be a big investment into the squad i the summer of it is just going to be more of the same in the league. cheers
Danny
The league Never Lies
Disagree with you. Football is a business. When targets aren't met, the manager is the first to go. We have 1 win in 8 in the league, have Sunderland, Everton, Fulham, and others knocking on the door. Newcastle's entire team is cheaper than Andy Carroll and yet they are better than us. Something has to change. For me it has to be the manager. It's not personal. We simply don't look good, and Kenny's denial over Adam and Henderson is almost inexplicable. No, we didn't get 'clobbered' by Sunderland, but it shouldn't even be close. We should dominate them.
Coop
11 Mar 2012 12:30:10
Hi Eds,
Gotta admit ED022 is doing a very good job with the player profiles, keep up the good work. would love him to do so some profiles on Liverpool bound players or those who are linked with us.
Cheers
Daniel Rogers.
11 Mar 2012 11:50:51
The Euphoria of the Carling Cup has faded, followed by the disappointment of 'back to back' losses in the league, and the realisation that we are in exactly the same position as 2010/11 season. This can not be seen as progress.
All those British players who came in (over paid and under performing), who seem to have 'season long stage fright', how can we the supporters be proud of you, you are just average and not worthy of wearing the great LFC shirt. Our club had faith in you, but you let us down, you should be ashamed!.
Stop blaming King Kenny, the only thing he is guilty of is his unwaivering trust and support of his players. Blame those who are tasked with performing on the pitch (all of them) not the manager who formulates the tactics to win games,
Isnt kenny responsible for bringing in those players who are 'just average and not worthy of wearing the great LFC shirt'?
Gav
Fair post, but you have to remember the manager is accountable, this includes KD.
Sam armchair.
11 Mar 2012 11:29:44
i think commoli will go in the summer, kenny will take his place director of football . who comes in god knows . theres a clique at liverpool the players who need sweeping out are carra , gerrard , reina etc . would like to praise rodolfo borrell he is doing fantastic job with reserves slowly integrating the barca way . its no use having fantastic coach if above players will undermine him. the clique needs to be broken up and that includes kenny. owners still not got any plans for new stadium it needs to start this summer.
11 Mar 2012 12:23:28
Did'nt Kenny come out and say he was happy with the current squad. We would not need any sginings in Jan.
If that is ture and he's is happy, just what are our aim? Top 10 finish? He is satrting to sound more and has us playing like Woy ever day!
In raffa we turst
Do you think after spending £100m+ on players you want and getting rid of the deadwood KK would say he is unhappy?
RedSG
Well to be honest yes. But the thing that worries me more is that he is happy with the squad :(
11 Mar 2012 12:19:58
Don't take what Kenny's says as gospel or even that he believes what he says in interviews
Like all kinds of advertizing Kenny has to put spin on it.
When Kenny says we have had a good season he's trying to lift the fans artifically, when soldiers go into battle the captain does not say right lads were going to take a bleedin hammering
Kenny can hardly say look I spent 120M on players that I cannot gel together, I don't know whats wrong on paper it looked good to me & DC
The problems of the club are below the surface and require more deeper critical thinking, look at Wenger he's had a dead cat bounce but his problems will come home to roost again next year, much like ours, the landscape of the EPL has changed and we need to change with it.
One of the major probelms that has not been addressed sufficiently is that our squad lacks quality and cover and the problems inherited from Rafa have not been addressed. The players that have been broght in by Kenny have not resolved this problem by and large.
Unless deeper issues are analysed and resolved next season will follow the last one and so on as has happened for the last 20 years
Don't be fooled if he beats everton and stoke, no doubt he'll be a hero again but the problems that are deep within the club will still remain
Touched by Madness
Lmao,dead cat bounce,the cat must be made of that superball rubber mate lol.im not on hear to comment on l/pool just looking through the pages as a football fan,but i hear a lot of l/pool fans saying the squad has new players but needs time to gel ect,fair enough! but we have a lot of new players in since the summer also needing to gel,but we have gained and over taken l/pool by 17 points or there abouts since the end of sept,ffs mate wise up,if thats what you call a dead cat bounce then scientists should re-examine the laws of physics and gravity cause the cat has bounced and hasnt came back down again,as i have said, not on here to comment on l/pool,but you really are a bit of a mupet coming out with a statment like that mate
trev the gooner
A quick point to the arsenal fan. the reason you have found form is quite simple, you haven't had to play the new players as much since september onwards. as a point in question your team against lfc contained 2 new arrivals arteta and benayoun, the other 9 were szechney, sagna, koscielney, vermaalen, gibbs, song, rosicky, walcott, van persie. benayoun came off for a poor performance and arteta was carried off!
your squad has recovered from injuries and the nucleus have played together for a while, hence the recovery in form. have your new players settled? been a success? have the arsenal fans been drooling? gervinho, benayoun, santos, mertesacker, park, jenkinson? don't think so. arteta? yes, but hard to say he's been a world class acquisition, just fitted in. arsene wenger hasn't had to play most of his buys since the bad start now that injuries have recovered and i bet you're thankful for that!!
You obviously don't understand what Dead Cat Bounce means, not surprised when you can spell muppet!
Wait till citeh takes some more of your players, looks like 50M is ready to go in for RVP.
The directors of Arsenal have already said no big money will be available to Wenger in the summer for new players, the money from recent past player sales going to pay off debt.
And to borrow a Quote from KK (Kevin Keegan) "I for one will love it"
No name poster one,i was responding to the post where (arsenal dead cat bounce was mentioned)i dont agree with your post,but you have just confirmed that arsenal are a good team,why,because according to you we have,nt played are new signings and have relied on our established players minus cesc,nasri,cliche,so it stands to reason when the new signings settle in we will be stronger,dont forget we are now pushing for 3rd spot.2nd no name poster,bitter twisted person springs to mind.and after all is said and done i still havnt critised liverpool in any way in my posts,just defending my own team,some people,really!
trev the gooner
You need help, trev the goner, you can't understanding much, just throw some insults, pretty sad really
You dead cat bounce will last till next season then arsenal will be finished when RVP leaves to join his other ex-Arsenal team mates at citeh
Without RVP's 31 goals where would Arsenal be?
Simples
I think you should be more concered about your own player saurez going to psg rather than concerning yourself with another teams player.so next season we are finished hmm,regardless of rvp,wilshere will be back,the ox will be better and stronger,same as gervinho,podolski is coming there will be others i am certain of that,then there is myatchi man of the match bolton,bendtner remember him also m,o,t,m,frimpong looked like he could keep wolves up single handedly until his injury,henri lansbury currently at west ham who looks the most technically gifted player in the england under 21s.yeah arsenal are finished lmao.as i said concentrate on your own team,simples is about right for you friend
trev the gooner
11 Mar 2012 12:05:47
Kenny has to be shown the door with dignity in the summer. It is then FSG will demonstrate wether they are the right owners.
Who will they appoint as manager? And will they spend big to undo the damaged caused by Kenny and Commolis transfers?
I will wait and see, but I think many of you have been to quick to praise what great owners FSG are.
11 Mar 2012 11:22:16
I think we need to refocus. We have 39 points and therefore are not beyond delegation at this point. If you look at the table, we could be in 11th place this time next week. Everton beat Tottenham. We have no chance
That's the spirit
11 Mar 2012 11:08:57
Yesterday wasn't even the fact we lost it was the manner in which we did. The players didn't even look interested and some looked like they were thinking about their summer holidays and golden sandy beaches. Granted losing is losing and it hurts in whichever manner it gets delivered but I would at the very least I would like to see the players fighting and seeming bothered.
It was sad to see the game trickling along and to be honest I didn't see us leveling once we went behind let alone scoring two to take the lead. I don't know where the problem lies and it seems to be a combination of a lot of few things.
Adam oh Adam where do I begin with this guy. I am probably the most patient person when it comes to players and new signings but I is doing a good job in stretching my limits. I was actually happy when we signed him and thought if and that was a big if, but if he could transfer his form and skills at deadballs and freekicks to our beloved club then we have a useful player on out books. His assets, which was the main reason we brought him, its seems he left at Blackpool and on top of that he looks like he can't string two passes together. His concentration and composure at times is well below par for the standards we expect at Liverpool.
Saurez his not being played in the right position. The guy has two or more players around him when he has the ball, now that could be due to other players not drawing players away or getting into space or it could be that he is being played as a lone striker.
Changes and important decisions need to be made in the summer. Whoever doesn't want to stay should go.
LFC4LIFE
Im not sticking up for adam i think he is crap but he has 11 assists this year more than any other player on our team. Totally agree with you about Suarez he is not a lone striker!
I was never a fan of the signing of Adam in the first place - the justification seemed to be him playing out of his skin for one season. As for Suarez, he ius a David Villa type player and his strength isn't being used as a sole striker, it's cutting in from a flank. I personally believe that the way to get the best out of Suarez (and Carroll) is in a 4-3-3 with Carroll playing centre and a Suarez-style player on the other flank opposite Suarez. The problem is then sorting out the three man midfield behind them especially with Gerrard being past his best. RED LENIN
Lenin, I fully agree with probably everything you just said. I stated earlier in the week that Suarez should be playing in a 4-3-3 up top on the left hand side similar to how Messi was deployed earlier in his career as he is now being played through the middle. That way he would have less defenders on him and would have the space to work his magic. Problem like you said is our midfield needs to be strong in order to play this formation otherwise we will be heavily exposed. Lucas would add that much need and much missed steal in the middle of the midfield but its then having the appropriate players to play either side of him.
LFC4LIFE
11 Mar 2012 11:08:18
Why did we priorities the Carling cup? surely a stepping stone for our youngsters after all the Premier league position is far more important. And was it not Kenny who said after the Bolton game, If they think they can play like that for Liverpool fc then they wont be at the club for long. Well Kenny Adam , Henderson and other Poor signings you made are paying week in week out and are doing Nothing!
You prioritised the carling cup because you knew it was your only route to europe !
Davo
11 Mar 2012 11:07:46
i think we should be looking at managers who dont have a lot of money and buy decent players with what they have
11 Mar 2012 10:58:25
man i so want to go back to that 08/09 season.......anyone wanna join me
Yer what a great time that was terrible owners that didn't care about the club, early exits from the cups and a manager that cracked under the pressure. I'll give you champions league football but i really don't consider finishing 2nd a success.
always a red
Ill get the delorean ready, maybe we can tell rafa not to sell alonso while we're there ha
Well! I wish. What a fantastic year for us.
11 Mar 2012 10:18:38
When I read some of these posts, I began to question some of the decisions about releasing KK. Come on, the lads a club legend! AND exactly as mentioned below, Sir Alex has been at the club for how long now and he wasn't winning anything in his first few years. We're all stuck into thinking he's going to be like Benitez, winning the UCL in the first year! but don't forget that was all he did for us basically. All I'm saying is give KK a chance and if after the next few seasons are still no good, of course by all means. And Eds, I was reading below and couldnt stop thinking about the chance of Welliton and Muniain. Do you think these lads would be a good signing for the great LFC
Cheers. {Ed001's Note - not seen enough of Welliton to judge, but I do know Muniain was up for sale for very good reason. He has a few attitude issues, I can't see him being the right man for us, at the moment.}
11 Mar 2012 11:00:44
Teams usually score by breaking their opponents down or winning the ball in good areas.
We cannot break teams down with no decent wingers (Downing and ???) and whenever we try and win the ball in a good area, Adam ends up with a yellow card!
When was the last time we saw Downing take someone on and whip in a cross on a players head/foot?
When was the last time Adam closed down a player and put in a game changing tackle without fouling?
Hurry back Lucas and we could do with a winger who can do the job.
Only then - will we see the results and the Suarez, Carroll combo will strive. Unfortunately, by that time, Suarez may be gone........
11 Mar 2012 11:00:05
Jay and Adam have got to be the worst midfielders I have seen since Paul stewart and Istvan Kosma
I don't know christian poulsen would give them a run for their money
Shall I say this again?
Adam- 3rd highest assist tally in the league. With 11. Sliva in the lead with 14. Followed by adebayor (12). A steal at 6m
Spearing- product of the academy. Hard worker and without him we would be losing the midfield from the start. He is the ideal replacement for Lucas. And he can also he turned into a more attacking midfielder as he was last year.
11 Mar 2012 11:00:02
after watching that passionless garbage yesterday ....how much have we improved from the roy hodgson days ....not much .....if the owners dont invest 100 million on 3-4 world class players we will never again qualify for the champions league again let alone be competing for the title .....we are miles away ! .......just a couple of facts ...henderson is absolutely talentless adams first touch is like hermann munsters and wants to play the hollywood ball all the time .. dirk kuyt wears horse blinkers ...and andy carroll is less mobile than rik waller .....also i was just baffled by the lineup yesterday ....downing had a great game against the arse yet was demoted to the bench ...and if gerrard was fit why didnt he start the game ........
a very grumpy red
Don't forget we have the derby match in 2 days, we have a squad of players! Our best 11 cant play 3 games in a week.
11 Mar 2012 10:51:51
On the subject of many fans on here saying about the possibility Kenny may get the sack in the summer due to league performance, I seem to remember a lot of talk in the summer linking us to a certain foreign, young manager as the owners wanted to inject youth into the club from the very top. A certain Andre Villas-Boas was being linked to the club. I wonder if Kenny did get the boot whether he would be potentially lined up as a replacement. I totally back KK and want him to stay and am desperate for him to turn our recent fortunes around but this is just a thought. {Ed002's Note - There were no "links" to AVBs aside from the fans desire for him.}
Be careful of what you wish for you might just get it?
AVB = More years in the barren dessert of no champions league football
11 Mar 2012 10:47:48
For the first time in a long time I'm fearful about the Merseyside Derby!
I keep looking the league table in disbelief! We are 3 points above 11th place! Everton, Fulham and Sunderland could pass us!
Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part but at the beginning of the season I was hoping that us not being in europe this season would help our league campaign due to having less games to play! Guess not!
No CL again next season (sigh) but I guess I should be grateful that we will be in europe at all next season (thank goodness for the League Cup win!)
Please please boys, don't let us go into mediocrity! :(
K.Bennett
You are already mediocre
11 Mar 2012 10:32:53
For me Suarez wears the No.7 shirt and plays like a No.7.
So he needs to be in behind the striker or strikers.
Carroll up top with bellamy
Suarez in behind
Downing on the left
Gerrard in the middle
Kuyt on the right
The back 4 and keeper takes care of itself.
Alternatively use Suarez as a winger. He is quick enough.
Has enough skill to go past people at walking pace.
This would leave people in front of him after he has beaten 1-2 players, whereas at the moment he beats players and either has no-one available to pass to so has to try a shot from a position he will miss more than he scores or he gets crowded out by the sheer number of opposition players.
Essentially that's three strikers (Carroll, Bellamy and Kuyt, one support striker, one winger (two if you count Bellamy) and an attacking midfielder. Do you really believe that could work? If so you have very little knowledge of football.
Balance is everything and we've been lost without Lucas. I suppose for the time being if you add Spearing/Henderson then take out Kuyt/Bellamy then it could work.
Personally I'd like Maxi to play, we need goals and he's the only player wr've had who consistently puts the ball in the net.
Papa G
I did say Striker or Strikers.
If it's one, we could have Lucas in for the holding role.
It can be two if required.
If you can keep the ball the opposition can't use it to hurt you.
If you're attacking them and keeping them in their half, you don't need as many defensive players.
11 Mar 2012 10:07:21
One name
Jurgen Klopp already one of the best tactical managers in the world.He is only 44 is already Dortmonds second best coach ever.He is so good the owner has said he will never sack him because the players say he gets 25-30 % more out of them.He has never had huge funds but has bought well. He won the Bundesliga in 2011 and look at the bayern munich team. He has improved dortmond in the first season he finshed 6 then 5 then he won the league. He is only 44 long term he is the one we need. He was voted the German manager of the year in 2011 he also won a domestic cup in 2009.Im not his agent but im a big fan and watching my beloved liverpool suffer i see him as the best candidate for a new liverpool.
He is the guy I wanted after Hodgson was sacked. I don't know if we will be able to get him, to be honest.
11 Mar 2012 10:04:20
Do Any of the Eds know of any other manager approached before Kenny Dalglish was given the job? There was talk of Deschamps turning it down... Maybe that was before Roy Hodgson? {Ed002's Note - The club had spoken with Didier Deschamps but the owners followed the fans wishes and appointed Dalglish regardless of personal misgivings.}
Since the fans wanted Dalglish as manager, we should support him 100%. Dalglish has to be given more time to embed the new players. Besides the owners have the final say whether he goes or not - and thankfully. it's a collective decision. SingRed
Singred, not all the fans wanted kenny as manager. Dont presume that every fan wanted him because thats not the case!
Steve
Steve,
I was a big fan of Dalglish during his playing days, but was against his returning as manager because football has changed since he last managed a club. My point is, since he's the incumbent manager, we should support him. Just as Rafa was given time during the 'lean' years
If you ask why we didn't support Hodgson, its because I think about 90% of LFC supporters didn't want him in the first place, me included. Then, when Kenny stepped in in Jan 2011, things improved and everyone was only too eager to make him the permanent manager. SingRed
11 Mar 2012 10:01:47
ED01
Thanks for reply last nite. It seems your optimism is eroding fast.
As I see it these are the main problems facing the club and the sad fact is I think most are ireversible.
*Lack of coherant leadership at all levels
* Lack of any world class players(Stevie G should not still be the man expected to lift the team)
* Owners have made numerous poor decisions in relation to sanctioning transfers,hiring Kenny and Commoli and Handling of Suarez affair
* Owners lack funds to help team compete at the very top of world football
* We now face third season without CL football financially devastating to any large club
*Inability due to chaos at club to attract top talent(we have as much hope as Villa and WBA of attracting top talent)
*It is now 2012 and still Lfc play their football in a tiny stadium missing out each match day on massive revenue
I think LFC have been in a slow steady decline for 20 years and if anyone can reverse this process they deserve to be revered like Shankly! I just dont think Kenny and FSG are the people.
The drawback is no matter who FSG appointed manager if it wasn't Dalgleish the fans wouldn't have been happy, the fact is Hodgson would have done as good if not better a job if he had 100m.
This was always a train wreck waiting to happen anyhow he will resign this summer if they don't reach the FA cup final imo {Ed001's Note - hahaha! Cheers for that, I needed a good laugh.}
The owners have money.
They are running a business not a hobby or plaything.
Therefore they want to spend as little as possible to make money.
I can't see a new stadium happening without Champions league football.
I can't see us finishing 4th this season.
We were lucky to win the Carling Cup (in terms of how badly we actually played in the final).
We have had issues all season with regards to not being able to put the ball in the net.
We have never settled on what most people would class a top strength first team.
The midfield and forward line seems to change every week. How can that be good?
Caroll was just starting to find a bit of form (after actually getting to play a few games). His reward = THE BENCH.
Why no Maxi?
Why play Henderson out wide after he played so well in the centre (how many times has that happened this season?).
Why persist with a system that means we have virtually no players in the opposition box for an attack?
I could go on and on........
How on earth you can have a go at FSG? They have been fantastic for the club. They have invested nearly £40 million for tranfers in 18 months plus a huge amount in windfall in sales and you're still not happy?
They are not footballing people. They have employed footballing people to run the club and in my opinion, they have been let down.
It is not there fault that most of their money has been wasted. It is Kenny's and Commolli's.
Ash
Spot on Ash. I hope the owners realise kenny is just destroying their project n replace him asap.
Indian Buzzer
Did the owners buy the players, set the ineffective tactics, organize the t-shirt fiasco, keep giving the ball away, and keep missing chances? Thought not.
11 Mar 2012 10:00:07
This time next year Rodney
11 Mar 2012 09:56:35
I've been trying to paint a rosie picture of late.
But I've been thinking since the defeat yesterday.
5 points from the last 24 in the league!! Need I say more.
LAVERS
11 Mar 2012 09:50:12
I think dalglish has to go, he is not the man to take Liverpool back to the top, we all love kenny but we have to deal in facts, football is a results business. We need mourinho to make us great again, can we get him at the end of the season eds {Ed002's Note - No, it won't happen.}
I would like Klopp, Rodgers, or The bilbao manager because he reminds me of a young benitez.
Red raj
I honestly think that Mourinho is Arsenal-bound. Liverpool's next manager needs to be a sophistacated European - but not for another couple of years. Dalglish has got a difficult job to do first that the fans are not going to like - sometime over the next 2 years Gerrard and Carragher are going to have to hang their boots up no matter what the fans think and Dalglish is going to have to manage that. RED LENIN
Carragher needed to hang his boots up 3 years ago, and Gerrard needs to do so this summer.
Rodgersss!!
11 Mar 2012 09:35:21
Hi eds. Do you honestly believe that Kenny will be at the club next year? {Ed002's Note - Personally I expect him to leave. You need to read the other posts for much more discussion on this subject.}
11 Mar 2012 09:32:33
I thought Adam was a reasonable addition to the squad at the start of the season but the lads getting progressively worse. No pace, no tenacity, gets caught out of position. His one saving grace was his left peg, although he's not even putting in decent dead balls now from corners. What exactly is he bringing to the midfield?
Ozone
Well, may be nothing. May be we should try Shelvey. He was very good in his last start for us, as I remind against Villa.
11 Mar 2012 09:29:39
Can I ask any eds how Liverpool handle transfers, does Kenny directly agree the fee for players or is that done by someone else with Kenny just indicating what players he would like? {Ed002's Note - Damien Comolli is responsible for the scouting system and that process will identify players for consideration with the coaching staff. If it is then agreed that the club should make an approach for a player a case will be put to the board for agreement over the money. Any approach to another club about a player will not involve Dalglish and certainly he will not be involved in any financial negotiation.}
Has Mr Comolli been anygood at any club he has been involved with? I only seem to remember him bringing in dross
Thanks for clearing that up. So how can anyone blame Daglish for what's been spent on transfers and want him sacked it should be the people in charge of the negotiations. Transfers are always risky no one gets them right all the time. Personally I think we're playing more entertaining attacking football than we have in a long time and have already won a trophy this season. I am disappointed with our PL position but only because I was hoping for more. The reality is we're rebuilding a squad for the future (majority of transfers are
11 Mar 2012 09:29:00
hey lfc fans...
exactly the same points as last season after 27 games!...i guess that tells you everything
my friend who supports newcastle said a very good point yesterday... "lfc only play well against the top teams and everton, but when it comes to sunderland bolton aston villa etc, they are never UP FOR IT..as much as playing the others.
which is a very valid point
i cant see us attracting top quality players because of our poor league form and to be honest...im not optimistic for next season either because we dont seem to be making progress on the field of play
red lobster
I agree and maybe we need to ask ourselves why this is, as I'm sure Kenny sends the lads out to win every game! The Bolton game shocked him almost as much as it did us the fans!
Keith
11 Mar 2012 09:22:45
{Ed001's Note - thank you. The reserve team, in particular, is something that bugs me. How can you expect someone to come into the first team and play at their best when they only play training matches for weeks at a time?}
Thanks Ed001 - this is a VERY important point - we seem to be in the trap of "once a first team player always a first team player" - no competition - no threat - just a cosy job - take it easy - no need to bust a gut - summer beaches and the Euro shop window not far away - and the absence of these bench-warmers from the reserve games will not help to bring-on the best of the young players into the first team - thanks Ed001
11 Mar 2012 09:14:29
you so called liverpool fans have made me sick to my stomachwe are not even ready for champs league yet kenny has brought in some fantastic potential into this club and they will be stayers which is whats needed remember we are buiding and i for one like what im see from these players the results arent as we want at the moment but most of the first team are in thier first season and the europa cup is a great cup for these players to really starting making them selfs great liverpool players we need to get our selves off this dreaming of world class players cus we are not in that position at the moment and lets get off carrolls back its not his fault he was 35million its just an amount we had to pay for the only striker we could get our hands on at the time who was of a decent quality which he is. now lets just get behind the team cus anfields pretty quiet at the moment and the best signing they need is a great 12th man
Did you go yesterday mate? A 400 mile round trip to watch that shower of she*p.
Ozone
Mate i paid so much money watching liverpool this season and my gran look likes shes more up for the games.
Have you been watching another team,kenny has replaced dead wood with more dead wood??we have been rubbish all season and you need to wake up,yes we are the 12th man but the 11 on the pitch need to give us reason to back them and on this seasons performance I have lost faith with this team that kenny built.
11 Mar 2012 09:00:53
I cannot belive we do not have first team playing reserve matches i had to look at ed001s comments twice. This is a real shame how can a player sit and watch and not get on the pitch for the reserves to get match fit.
Personally i never wanted kenny back because i never thought he was the right man for the job. He proved me wrong last season but this year he made roy hogson look good. I aint watched match of the day for over a month because of the results we have had. Our form is worse then some teams fighting relegation. Sunderland will overtake us soon and so will everton if they beat us Dalglish im sorry but its time for you to resign.
Some of the money spent is so crazy on some players who would not get in the west brom team. He must have been high signing these players and even more high leving them on the bench when they started to do a bit better.
11 Mar 2012 09:00:51
I can't believe you so called supporters are calling for Kenny to go, he is doing a brilliant job and has made Liverpool Carling Cup champions which is the same as European champions. From all the people in Manchester we say " Keep it up Kenny you are doing almost as good as job as Agent Rafa and Souness". Never mind boys you can always dust out the old Betamax and look back at when you were famous. I AM KLOOT
To the Manchester crowd above (wannabe scousers). Firstly, lets see if Citeh win the league, I think Arsenal will catch you when you eventually go into you usual freefall. Secondly, Spam (Utd) are already in freefall. Bothn are about to be eliminated from The Europa League, so maybe the mickey mouse cup, which will probably be on DVD or even BRay, not betamax, might put that one to bed.
I wouldn't boast about being called KLOOT - it's not a very nice name in Dutch (so it really suits you and your kind klootzak!)
Dutchmal
11 Mar 2012 08:48:34
As 4th spot is not going to happen, I would play Carroll and Henderson (in CM) for the rest of the season to get them bedded in for next season. I would also give suso a few games as sub.
Carol & Henderson sounds a strange CM comination to me! ;)
Is this another manc taking this p*ss ?
His English is poor. He means he would play Carroll, with Henderson behind him in CM. He does actually have a point. Perhaps we should end the season playing a front three of Suarez, Carroll, Downing four man mid of Enrique, Henderson, Shelvey Johnson, and a three man defence of Agger, Coates and Skrtel.
11 Mar 2012 07:31:48
Hi guys, man utd fan here but I'm not here to cause trouble.
I honestly think u have got 2 problems at Liverpool, Suarez and Dalgleish. I honestly think Suarez is too selfish and is holding back your team, if u cud get £25-£30million for him I'd defo take it. Dalgleish for me jus can't cut it, he seems to go for these home grown players rather than actual talent, the problem is tho who comes in to replace him? Ancelotti? Laudrup? De boer? Low? I really don't kno maybe even someone like Rodgers could do a good job. I fink if u sold suarez and brought in someone like Strootman n Eriksen n then focused on a good striker ud b up ther again, I kno fans will jump to the defence of dalgleish but ask urself seriously, would Liverpool b 7th now if Ferguson was in charge? Or if Mourinho was in charge? Got to b realistic boys!
Big Mac
How long did Fergison take to win anything? According to your logic he would of have been shown the door. Which kind renders your advice as complete and utter unqualified and uneducated nonsense.
kidmillions
Sadly i find my self agreeing with this. but hes right something is majorly wrong there was a big investment in the club and not much to show for it at all. {Ed001's Note - agreeing with what? All these homegrown players, like Enrique, Coates and Suarez? So all the home grown players are the problem, despite him saying it is Suarez? His remarks were confused and made no sense.}
Very good point... I wouldn't keep trying to pop back at the manc's ferguson didn't win anything for a while but he never spent 100 million on players... Kenny has done a decent job, but I'm pretty sure most prem managers could spend 100 million and get us sitting pretty in seventh.
But Ed, do you agree that it is the British signings that have not performed? On a footballing level, Suarez and Enrique have performed well. We don't know how good Coates will be. All bar Bellamy (who was free and really a no-brainer) the British players have been awful collectively.
Ash {Ed001's Note - and what has Suarez done that has been so good? What have the players who were already at the club, apart from Skrtel and Agger, done that makes them not an issue in our poor performances? The whole squad is simply not strong enough, we were left in a terrible state by previous owners and managers. We had a whole boatload of players on huge money who were simply not good enough. It takes time to ship the dross out and replace it, only a fool expects it to suddenly magically all fall into place over night. But it seems most of the fans are fools, because they all seem to think Kenny should have just clicked his fingers and made everything alright! It took City 3 years of insane amounts of investment to get to where they are, why do people think we should be up there with them in our first full season of new owners without the insane investment? And why does everyone look for scapegoats amongst the new boys when only two of our existing players can actually hold their heads up on their performances this season? We can't even depend on Reina any more, how can we expect new players to come in and perform with confidence and belief with you on their backs?}
Last time I checked Ed, Suarez was our top goalscorer! Not to mention the fact that he has created most of those chances on his owm and, lest we forget, his re-sell value has been preserved! How much now for Downing, Adam, Carroll Ed? I understand things take time and we had a lot of dead wood in the team, but to spend not far off £100 million on attacking players to then be outscored by the likes of Norwich and West Brom is not How low should we allow ourselves to sink under the banner of "work in progress" or "under new management" until we say "you know what, this isn't good enough anymore?"
How can we expect players to come in and perform with people like me on their backs? Maybe because they are professionals Ed who should be thick skinned. I have been to many a game this season and those boys are cheered throughout, especially in the away games. I do not sunbscribe to the notion that their feelings are hurt because I happen to write on a forum.
I will ask you this Ed. How low would you allow us to sink (league position, points, whatever) before you thought a change was needed?
Ash {Ed001's Note - that is a nonsense question, it is not about how low we sink, but how long we give them. That is the problem, we have people with no patience, the patience of a 5 year old with ADHD, like you. Who think we should get everything now and aren't prepared to wait and see if it can be built properly over time.}
So we should just give him 'x' amount of years with no measurement of progress in between? That is a sure fire way for failure in my opinion for any 'business' which, like it or not, is what we are. What kind of business plan is that? There should be a plan in place which should be measured at regular intervals in between. The most important thing in any business is realising, and realising early, when something is not working and minimising the losses made not adopting a "laisez faire" attitude or saying "we'll come back in 3 years and see where we are." So I don't think the question is "nonsense" at all.
Ash
I have no problem with finishing 7th this year as long as we keep improving each season.
What is making everyone nervous is that we spent 40m net on players and we are no better than Everton, Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, WBA, etc.
11 Mar 2012 08:34:54
So KK has publicly praised the impact of his signings and claims that the season is a success - with that sort of rationale I wish him a long and 'successful' spell as your manager lol
Kenny needs to go now before we are in a relegation battle
11 Mar 2012 08:29:44
opinions on coates?
Kaizer
Very good footballing centre half who reminds me a bit of Alan Hansen. A bit more game time to develop his positional savvy and speed of the game and I have no doubt he will prove to be a great centre half. The only positive I can really take from watching that shower of s**te yesterday, is the potential Coates showed in part.
Ozone {Ed001's Note - the main thing is that he looked better than Carra has done in his appearances this season. Such a shame, normally Carra steps up and raises his game when the competition for his place steps up.}
Looks big strong needs time to learn about the english game its a big step up for the lad
He did alright in the first half but was it just me but he was completely anonymous in the second...i had to check to make sure he wasn't subbed.
GuvTOB
Young boy hasn't played much it's a new league for him, I think he will be good for YE future.
G BOX
To be fair carra makes sinclair ar oxford look good.
I think he will become a nice player...
Phooey
The boy needs games, it would be unfair on him to expect him to step in and perform to his best after so long without a proper game.
He showed in the Copa America he is a very talented player.
RedSG
If you didn't notice him he must have been doing a good job. It's the players up front who need to be noticed!
Dutchmal
11 Mar 2012 08:17:33
Ok, so let's say if Kenny stepped down at the end of the season who will be in charge of getting the new man in? Comolli?
Well, let's say it's DC. Will he go for what he thinks is the best man for the job or will he go for a manager he knows who will act as a puppet under his strings who will sign whatever player DC wants him to sign no matter what the manager says?
Kenny may leave but all I'm saying fellow LFC fans - be careful for what you wish for!
Hyypia replacement
11 Mar 2012 08:01:40
please buy all athletic bilbao player include manager...
Yes but they are what 6th in the spanish league? Fact is Utd made them look better than they are
11 Mar 2012 07:31:38
Can somebody please tell me why Kenny has suddenly decided that Carroll won't start a match just when he was putting in a series of good performance?
As for henderson, the less said the better. Adam has been good value for his price tag, but Henderson is embarassing!
I actually like henderson and dont really understand why we bought adam apart from injuries i wouldnt have seen him getting near the first team the way hes been playing and dont get me started on his set peices
I agree with the Carroll part, kenny seems to have this blind faith in Suarez, as do most fans, he doesn't score, head down and runs, he dives and moans all the time, can't even say he's helping, when did he last assist ? He should start the next game on the bench will Carroll and Bellamy up top.
As for Henderson I think he is one for the future but the 20 mil price tag is baffling, he could have stayed at Sunderland improved and we could have got him for the same price in 2 years.
G BOX
11 Mar 2012 05:47:40
I know it wont happen but if KK goes in the summer LFC should do all they can to get David moyes in as a replacement he would have you guys back in the CL in 1-2 seasons and going for 1st in the EPL and would get the best out of ur players just think what he could do with 100m but I think you would have more chance of Messi joing the Spuds If AW ever leaves Arsenal Moyes would be my first choice to come in to replace him I have a feeling he will take over from fergie at Man U one day tho
RG
So where exactly is his likely destination?
Ozone
Is this the same Moyes who has won exactly NOTHING IN 10 YEARS,don't know what's worse, wanting to replace a man who has achieved more in 1 season than your choice to replace him has in 10 or the fact you would like a manager with a record of consistent failure who happens to manage those chaps from across the park.
Waro
If KD was in charge of everton for the last 10 years the would be playing non league football by now
Moyes might not of won anything but the level of football he has eveton playing with the resources he has speaks for itself
Your response is excatly what's wrong with Liverpool fans...
David moyse has won nothing in 10 years but has not had any money what so ever, yet he finished above you once, only a few points behind you this season and have been most seasons.
He has brought consistencey to everton and no one likes going there.
Everyone in the league knows how well David moyes has done. {Ed001's Note - Moyes has spent plenty, try checking how much was spent on the likes of Fellaini! He has done well with what he has spent, but he has certainly had money to spend.}
Whilst Moyes hasn't had the money Liverpool have spent, he certainly has had funds. Fellaini, Yakubu, Bilyatenov(sp), Baines, Jelavic, Heitinga, Andy Johnson, James Beattie have all been signed under Moyes and I'm sure all those fees were above £5-6m each.
Saying that even the staunchest Liverpool fan can't doubt Moyes has done a very good job at Everton.
RedSG
11 Mar 2012 05:42:18
why the hell did you have to get injured Lucas its all your fault we aint been the same since you got injured.
by the way another one of rafas signing.
if im not wrong rafa paid 10 mil for alonso
dalgilsh paid that for adam.
yes dalglish legend forever but i mean come on guys im glad we aint in cl imagine we drew barca or real or bilboa ffs we cant even see off cardiff without a struggle.
get real guys bring back rafa.
Please dont bring anyone back its time for a new start bring in someone like Emery if he would been doing good job in spain for years
So now you have gone from Gerrard carrying the team to Lucas? How sad is that
No chance of Rafa coming back with Charlie Carolli overseing transfers and the scouse mafia still having a big say in 1st team affairs. Well not unless they pulled the knives out of his back 1st.
I don't want him back. He said the following:
"Liverpool fans love me, but Chelsea is the club I want"
We do love him but he needs to understand that it can quickly be changed
11 Mar 2012 04:45:20
Commolli didn't know a player named Podolski existed.
Tekneek
11 Mar 2012 03:14:05
Hi all Ed's great site.....I have been following Lpool since '84 so i found what i did to-day very strange.I was watching the game on my laptop&when it got to h/t i pulled out the plug,never before have i missed a full game....Is it me being disloyal or am i just fed up watching avarage player's?Ive been asking myself that all day...Maybe some of the Ed's or fan's could answer that for me plz.....YNWA!!
11 Mar 2012 02:52:54
Kenny needs to go i'm affraid. All he has done is come in, buy very poor players for ridiculous amounts of money, not 'got the best out of' any of them, makes poor decisions when it comes to subs and keeps using the excuse he is a liverpool legend to prove he can't make a wrong decision. Get him out and bring in any top manager available, we need a winner with a good eye for real quality used to be working with world class players and not one who usually helps teams escape relegation, because they'll also be used to targeting rubbish players all the time (hodgson). We need to move one because it's quite embarrassing spending 100m and coming behind a Arsenal team who were in 18th place at one stage, a chelsea team who have sacked a manager and have their players unhappy and newcastle!
Keith
The performance today was so poor, I can't help but wonder if the players know already that Kenny will not be here next season.
Either that or the team is basically conserving all its energy for Stoke.
I couldn't agree with you more but the sentimentalists still think we ought to give KK and the players more time. How much time is anyone guess!
Who do you recommend?
Don't say the obvious is mourinho or gauriola as they have no interest in us and simply won't happen.
Maybe you like Bruce or Hughes or even keegan.
Your response will be interesting
Physic red
Rubbish he is doing a brilliant job and making me very happy. I AM KLOOT
Agree with everything you say...apart from buying bad players. I think we have got a good squad it just Dalglish's tactics and playing them in the wrong positions. Henderson is not a winger, Suarez should be playing just behind the front man otherwise he just gets marked out the game. Carroll was just starting to show some form and gets dropped...sorry to say but time for Dalglish to go!
Just in case anyone thinks the first post was me, it wasn't! I still believe Kenny should be given another season and if things don't look like they are changing next year, then we can have another re think! The squad isn't his yet and once he gets a few more in, if fans will let him, then judge him. Every manager makes bad signings and that includes Kenny! I will repeat, if we had not lost Lucas for months, Gerrard for most of the season and Suarez for 9 games, things would have been different! People moaned that Lucas was useless, worst to ever play for us and now look at him, probably first person on the teamsheet! Hopefully Carroll and Adam will follow suit.
Keith
11 Mar 2012 02:41:49
im really getting annoyed at watching the highlights each week, same s**t everytime, liverpool will be arse pumping the team and than the commentator will go "and against the run of play sunderland score". for f**ks sake ive heard "against the run of play" to many times this season
11 Mar 2012 02:25:45
OH MY GOD,why the hell am I seeing AVB's name on here? What in the hell did he do at Chelsea that in any way makes him an attractive prospect? Although personally I don't agree I can see why some people want Rafa back,but AVB? Some people know nothing! And don't say he's won a title with porto,Kenny did it with Blackburn and Liverpool! History means nothing! WelshBoyDave
You have got to be the first person on here to say history means nothing. I take my hat off to you. While i feel it means alot you guys have gotta stop using it as your ONLY defence.
Melbourne CFC
11 Mar 2012 01:59:50
Liverpool have clearly lacked a clinical finisher this season, perhaps the past three seasons? The player Welliton who is an absolute genius in front of goal would be a perfect answer, and his low price tag could prove worthy of a shot. Muniain also shows a lot of promise for his young age and has been often labelled as one of the hottest prospects in Europe. Am I correct in saying Liverpool should plot a move for these two 'less spoken about' players (especially Welliton)?
Welliton is absolute gold dust! Minuain looks worthy of a shot too! YNWA
Arsenal Fan
not having a dig but You are all linking/wanting all these top players to LFC but would they want to join LFC at this time tho there are prob better options for them next season with the money being thrown around football at the moment
LFC are in a sticky place
I think they should sell suarez no matter how many times you say a player is world class it dont make him world class he is good but at the end of the day you need goals and you need them bad and he is not getting them so you should just cash in on him why you can anouther season or 2 like this and you wont be able to sell him for no wear near as much as what you could get in the summer.
Then look to bring in somone like huntelaar who will put them away then bring in somone like di-natale who will do a job when needed and add some depth upfront and push for a place also you should look at jordan rhodes as he is a real fox in the box and I think he could step up his game in the EPL could make an impact similar to when kevin philips first played in the EPL and you would not break the bank on any of these and would make a profit from suarez them invest in a RW and maybe CM unless Henderson can play more there and show his potential
I think with one of the obove strikers with Carol upfront would be a good pair as Carol would/should hold up the ball and nudge on for the fox in the box you guys need
I think you will see the best of Carol paired with this type of player
RG
You should of sold RVP a few years ago when he was always injured.
Good job the numpties like you don't have a say in who comes and goes.
kidmillions
Dont start calling people numpties for posting opinions you person
I forgot suarez has a world class scroing record ur the numptie if you think he is that good
Why have one good player who plays for himself when you can sell him and get 2 or 3 good players that will play for the team that you need BAD or you will stuggle to get in the top half let alone the CL
11 Mar 2012 01:50:30
Anyone else feel a David Speedy coming on ? or a Julian Dix maybe ? KKs losing it again !!
Erm diddnt speedy have a decent record in such a short spell?
Oh and yeh Aldridge, Barnes , shearer ( just to name a few) were terrible signings for Dalglish
Physic red
All great signings but these 20 years ago dont really help today do they
11 Mar 2012 01:16:34
Hi Fellow reds and eds!
I think that AVB would be very good for our club.
I know some will disagree but he would bring a fresh approach and a new start.
Funnily aswell i think that he could possibly get the best outa carroll and henderson too if they were still here come the new season.
WE ARE NOT CHELSKI REMEMBER...
"TORRES WAS AN ICON WHO COULD HAVE BEEN A LEGEND - AT CHELSKI HE WILL BE NOTHING"
JohnYnwa01
11 Mar 2012 00:57:23
arsenal where having an awful season up until recently but still 10 points clear of liverpool..
chelsea are having a dreadful season manager has been sacked the works still 10 points clear of us with a game extra so hopefully only 7..
just goes to show how bad liverpool are doing all these draws add up.. and i know we have been playing amazing football for most of the season but you can only put so many games down to bad luck!
it has just been a frustrating season something has to be done money isnt the answer cause kenny/comoli clearly showed that they just waste it.
11 Mar 2012 00:53:11
ED01 Even when Stevie came on he looks a shadow of the player he was it is very saddening to see everyone looks to pass the ball to him when he is on the pitch as move as i love the guy i don't think next year he should be in our starting 11 i think KK needs to have a word with him and tell him this looks like the injuries have taken there toll.do you think Kenny will be here next year ?
RED87 {Ed001's Note - to be fair to Gerrard, he is just returning from injury, then gets injured again, he needs a run of games to get back to his best. The question is whether he will ever be able to stay fit long enough to get that run of games. As for Kenny, I think his handling of the Suarez incident certainly put his job on the line. I don't think his future is set in stone either way though, the rest of the season, especially the FA Cup, will determine what happens.}
11 Mar 2012 00:49:28
Those of you who say that we should sell suarez and that hes more trouble than hes worth...i may have agreed with you if
A. We had a top class team and would easily live without him
Or B. Were like man city and could easily buy top class players.
Unfortunately we are in these positions and so feel it is crucial we do everything possible to keep him. He is by far our best player despite the lack of goals (no one else scores either) but believe this is due to a lack of clear chances and most of the time it is because he is trying to do too much himself as the team is not good enough. {Ed001's Note - or, is it him trying to do too much himself that is holding back the rest of the team?}
Trying to do too much for himself. Never a team player.
Suarez is the only world class player we have. Sell him, n we will be in a relegation fight next season.
Indian Buzzer {Ed001's Note - I really don't see what is world class about a striker that can't hit the back of the net? It is not like he is creating chances for the rest of the team either. The only thing I have seen world class about him is his whinging. He would be better off, as would the club, if he concentrated on playing, rather than appealing all the time.}
You may have a point in some cases ed but we were imo worse when he was not in the team. Also it doesn't seem to be an issue when he plays for uruguay which adds to my opinion that it is due to the lack of quality and support around him....this us also true for ajax but it could be argued it is due to the low standard of the dutch league {Ed001's Note - I am not sure which it is myself, maybe it is a mix of them all?}
Don't profess to know the reason why, but Suarez is just not doing the business for us. And the constant opposition booing he gets is getting on my nerves. Wonder how he feels? Can't be much fun.
A change will do everyone good, methinks.
Oh, i so agree with ed001.
Kaizer
Spot on ED0001.
Ozone
Typical English mentality! Having a go at Suarez who is by far the best footballer at the Club. Get rid of Andy Carroll and get a proper centre forward to partner Suarez.
Just two players would make the world of difference to us . Muniain and Llorente.
We should break the bank to get them.
kidmillions
Ed your argument about how good is a striker with all the tricks but no goals may be valid so I'll ask what is your opinion of Carroll who also scores no goals but also doesn't have any tricks, or pace, or movement.
Chris in Tamworth {Ed001's Note - you know what my opinion is of Carroll, but he doesn't lack pace, just acceleration to get there. He also doesn't lack movement, it is just that he is moving into the wrong areas because nobody else is breaking into the box. At least he is providing something for the team when he is on the pitch, a focal point. Until Suarez starts putting the ball in the back of the net, or passing it to someone in a better position when there is a chance, he is providing no more than Carroll. Now please grow up and stop hating on the lad. You have said you don't like him millions of times, it is boring and childish to keep going on about it.}
I have always said that Liverpool don't play to Carrolls strengths and I don't mean big hoofs from the back, as it stands he is a square peg in a round hole
11 Mar 2012 00:47:57
Newcastle 44pts
out carroll 35 million
out enrique 6 million
in demba ba free -> (talk about a good deal)
in taylor
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Liverpool 39pts
in carroll 35million
in enrique 6 million
just doesnt add up does it...
newcastle and sunderland are laughing at us now
even henderson got replaced easily gardner/larsson/colback all playing better than our 20 million purchase..sunderland are catching up..
{Ed001's Note - have you forgotten Newcastle bought Santon?}
Even when Carroll doesn't play the haters try to focus on him. His form was good and improving, as was his confidence, until the manager decided to sit him on the bench for a couple of weeks.
Meanwhile, suarez continues to skillfully lose the ball with absolutely no criticism.
If you can't tell the difference between Carroll and Suarez then I'm afraid you don't know anything. One's an energetic skilful World Class player, the other is a big lump.
kidmillions
11 Mar 2012 00:43:06
2010/2011
P27 GF35 GA32 PTS39
2011/2012
P27 GF30 GA25 PTS39
The only thing I see that has improved is the defence.
We may be playing more attractive football (despite today) but I would rather play boring football and win. With the money spent are you happy? I dont think the owners will be and I fear for kenny. I do hope we remember what hes done for the club though.
Is it really more attractive? It seems more 'keep possesion, pass back, slow build-up to me. Until we get more pace and flair in the team guess what else can we do.
Chuck Norris
10 Mar 2012 23:41:08
Ed01 thank God your back!
I need you to give me some hope. I am distraught, I said during the summer I had massive doubts as to the calibre of players and the cost that LFC were recruiting. I believe Kenny and the powers that be botched this hugely important window and it has set us back badly.
Please ED put it into perspective! Also I do think Kenny needs to go end of season but I hope it can be done with dignity and his reputation untarnished. He had the guts to step up. {Ed001's Note - I think there are more serious issues here than who was bought in the summer. Number one is a major issue, the first team players who aren't in the squad are no longer appearing in reserve football. They are either in the first team or sat watching, it is not good and it is why our back ups are never going to be able to show what they can do, they are nowhere near match sharpness. There are Gerrard's injury problems, that is a huge issue that needs to be sorted, in the past, under Paisley in particular, I don't think we would have tried to manage him, I think we would have had no sentiment and moved him on and got a settled replacement in. You just can't carry players who are in and out so much over a prolonged period, even one who was as great as Gerrard was. Especially when he doesn't look anywhere near the player he was when he does get back in the team. Then there is Suarez, he has done so much to disrupt and destroy this season, the damage he has done is huge. Admittedly he is not entirely to blame, the club itself needs to take a long hard look at itself, the whole affair was extremely badly handled and still is. Until we sort out those 3 issues, we are unlikely to do any more than struggle.}
Couldnt have explained the LFC situation better Ed001 {Ed001's Note - thank you. The reserve team, in particular, is something that bugs me. How can you expect someone to come into the first team and play at their best when they only play training matches for weeks at a time?}
Ed001, honestly what changes do u expect to happen this summer. I mean the futures of Kenny, Suarez, carra, gerrard and posiiblility of moving all of them and hiring a new manager. I mean how can everything change in just 2 weeks from good to worse.
I mean i don't care some people say about it but i don't think our owners are that dumb as the chelsea owners or their fans who only see football in business perspective. But as painful as it is to say, i think its time to loose our ends with Gerrard. Don't get me wrong i will have many sleepless nights if he leave us but it is for the good of this club and he will be always remembered as our legend.
And i would def get rid of Adam ed, He is just not good enough to cope the pressure at this level and i would at least give the others another season's chance to see how they go.
I support every player who plays for this club. But our problems won't get solved with just a striker and right winger in the summer. There is a large hole between attack and midfield. If u see many games this season there are not anough bodies in the penalty box to receive a cross or for that matter no one is making runs in to the box from midfield. Some times even if we play 2 strikers only one of them will be in the box at a time. So even if we buy a new striker he will just be alone on the box to receive cross from right wing or left wing with no supporting runs from midfield. I blame Adam 100% for this, he should be making runs there especially when gerrard is not playing.
AJ {Ed001's Note - hard to say with Adam, he is trying too hard, until he settles down we won't see the best of him. But he needs some graft alongside him, I like Spearing, and he does graft, but he just isn't quite good enough unfortunately. That leaves far too much of the onus on Adam. I think we have far more pressing issues than that, Gerrard being the main one. He is our top earner, he has been our best player for years, but he is too in and out of the team now, it is starting to have an effect.}
We have not been ruthless enough with players for a long time. At least all the way back to MacManaman, who took us for a ride, all the way up to Carragher, who should have been moved on 2 or 3 years ago. And now the Gerrard dependency.
We need a change of mentality. Bringing in the old guard is a strategy that has run it's course.
I would have half fit steven gerrard anyday than Charlie Adam. Paisely would have made Adam clean the reserves' boot.
Gerrard, Carra, Maxi, Kuyt, Johnson and even Reina out at end of season. Let's give a new manager the chance to build a young exciting team with youngsters and a few new skillful aquisitions. Need to change the way we play and be more attacking if we want to win the league. Draws are no good.
11 Mar 2012 00:03:45
Hey guys I have not seen todays game but for me we are in a period of transition we are playing on the whole the best football we have in a long while and should trust in kenny to many too players are letting us down but its a matter of time stop calling got kennys head and get behind the team we could still end up with a cup double fourth was always a big ask considering and please stop dreaming of hollywood signings slits and steady we are rebuilding the liverpool way
10 Mar 2012 23:58:34
Once Again we looked very poor throughout the team adam needs to go henderson looks a ass when he plays for us carroll needs to get the next bus back to newcastle will kk be there next season hope not not done it for me he bought pure crap if it was anyone else they will be out on there ass quicker than they came in dont get me wrong kk is a god but he has not brought out the best in carroll 35m lol downing 20m omg henderson 20m now we are having a bubble adam 1st division player give the ball away too much
Trigger61
10 Mar 2012 23:52:02
Ed001 if we won the FA Cup would and stayed in the same league position would you say it has been a successful season...would like to hear your views ed002 aswell from a non liverpool point of view too...
Cheers {Ed002's Note - It is successful from the point of view of winning trophies - always a good thing. Not successful in terms of expectations or financially though.}
10 Mar 2012 23:49:16
eds in the summer do you think we will go in for some young players (16-20) to improve the youth because the fair play rules are coming in at the end of the season and teams will look more at younger players and if you hit the jackpot with one just like arsenal did with fabregas when they signed him from Barcelona you could make a nice few million and most teams are staring playing there young players but Liverpool seem to hold the back i know we gave Flanagan and Robinson a run last year but have you seen them since then since then i know Robinson has spent a time out injured but i don't think Flanagan has the likes of sterling suso Morgan should get a chance in the first team or loan them out like arsenal did with wilsher and Chelsea did with Sturridge also do you think they will carry on playing English players {Ed002's Note - Perhaps but you are a year out with the FFP rules - June 2014.}
10 Mar 2012 23:44:55
I can't help but think that Benitez would have done much much more with £100 million available to him then Kenny.
What are everyones thoughts? can't see anyone disagreeing!
J
Sorry clicked dislike button, mistake, I liked it
Speculation after the fact. What's done is done, deal with it and move on.
Whoever thought this was a quick fix, obviously does not fully comprehend just how bad the team was under Roy and Rafa.
Rafa had long enough to win us the league and failed. And yes, he did get plenty money to spend during his time. Move on and give a new man a chance.
Of course ye, we had bad players like mascharano and torres terible state
10 Mar 2012 23:40:20
Come on everyone lets get real here.... The problem here is not that KK is not good enough but the fact the signings are not good enough. You cant ask for KK to be our boss then a year or so down the line ask for his head cause results are not going your way. Yes we were shambolic at times and never once looked like a top four side against a depleted Sunderland but this shows a bigger problem in that its the tactics we use and the players KK has at his disposal. They lacked the winning mentality and the desire. The tactics side is that we are too defensive. We build our team to defend (which is not working) first and slowly attack. The only time we look like scoring when we play like this is when we go a goal down and you see players move forward more but by then its too late. When we play against better teams than us we attack them hence why we have a better results against some of the big teams. KK doesnt seem to be able to get the boys motivated for the smaller teams or we are set up wrong. I blame Steve Clark for this.... dont get me wrong I think he is a good coach but he is a defensive coach. Rememeber he was in the Mourinho 1 nil era but they had defenders that put their life behind the ball wheres we dont have that quality of defender bar Carragher but he is old now (sorry Carragher). The next closest is Skretel and he is playing well but prone to a few mistakes.
Adam is clearly showing us that he is not a Liverpool player. So inconsistant, his corners and free kicks are woeful considering what he was like last year. Hendo is improving but games like yesterday confused me as to why he was left on for soo long.
My biggest dissapointment was Suarez sometimes he just seems to want to moan instead of play but he was left soo isolated with the style of play we are currently using.
There are other players that we could all moan at but just like Lucas we have to give them time and not call for KK head. I personally believe that he wont be our boss next year unless he wins the FA Cup. I can see him stepping down or being asked to cause he never made 4th and not just a close not making 4th.
If anything we got to look at the future and support the boys as we have an important game Tuesday and a FA cup game. We got a few games left so support the boys and then put your angry words to paper when the season is over.
Just think that we have actually played some impressive football this season (like against Arsenal) and when we finally get world class players playing for KK just think what could happen. We might even find someone that can hit the net not the post... Kinda ironic how the post has stopped us from scoring this year and yesterday the post helped us lose. Someone must've put a spell on voodoo Liverpool.
Support the team
Speedy
KK if you love this club please resign. He spent 100m on rubbish players. It just shows he is not the man to bring us forward.
Plan of using stats and buying 'prem proven' has backfired big time... Was that Comolli or Kenny's brainwave? Maybe both should go.
I stopped reading after the problem is not KD but the signings, who made them?
10 Mar 2012 23:04:15
Hie eds, Can you just explain to me what part of the europa league we are actually going to start in just from the league cup and how many rounds that is from the group stage? Cheers for any reply. {Ed002's Note - Third qualifying round - then the play off round then the group stages.}
Ed would this change if we won the FA cup? {Ed016's Note - No they both bring the same outcome, I believe the FA cup may get you a game later but not too sure}
If we do get fourth( if ncfc,afc, cfc all randomly combust) would the europa places go to the runner ups?
Any feel free to reply to the comment above {Ed002's Note - The FA Cup winner goes in two stages after the League Cup winner and straight in to the group stages. If the FA Cup winners also qualify for the Champions League, the runners up will be given a Europa place unless they have already qualified for Europe, in which place it goes to the next league place. If the League Cup winners have already qualified for Europe, the place goes straight to next unqualified League team.}
Thanks ma'am