02 Apr 2024 14:29:35
I like how Vincent Kompany was so forgiving towards Darren England when Diaz's perfectly legitimate goal was ruled out earlier this season, saying humans make mistakes, when it's less so when he was subjected to some questionable refereeing from the same man over the weekend
I like it too that as a player he felt that the PL had the best referees and he could have a laugh about human errors with the referees after a game. Guess now that he's no longer among the big boys, suddenly he is seeing a different side of refereeing, or lack of favouritism, that he used to enjoy.
We are all biased towards our own causes. But the sheer number of managers that have eaten their own words since criticising Klopp and Liverpool for our reactions post the farce of Spurs game has been quite laughable. The louder they were then, the more vehement their complaints are now.
02 Apr 2024 16:46:48
@sgynwa, the hypocrisy is deafening at this point. They like Kompany, Arteta and esp. the biggest hypocrite of them all in Ange, were just trying to curry favor with the refs at the time by essentially backing the refs up by deliberately NOT speaking truth to power about what we went thru at Spurs.
They literally forgot that these same frauds would do them over with the very same level of incompetence when their time would come. So happy they got their comeupance BUT yet again, we all called this. We all knew they would get done and that currying or trying to curry favor from them by not speaking out would not work. Sorry, NOT sorry.
02 Apr 2024 17:03:20
It's almost like that managers and fans don't care unless it happens to them and that let's the PGMOL away with not doing anything to improve the standard of refereeing.
I know I've been guilty of it.
02 Apr 2024 18:32:12
So it’s definitely not a conspiracy against Liverpool then?. Well I’m glad that’s put to bed at least. The refs are incompetent sometimes but at least it’s across the board and not just against us.
02 Apr 2024 18:59:56
It’s outright incompetence, worst group of referees ever led by one of the biggest imbeciles in the game in Howard Webb. As for Kompany, he should just take his own advice he dished out earlier in the season.
02 Apr 2024 19:01:29
All managers and fans are guilty of only moaning when it effects them.
I’ve never heard Klopp say he wasn’t happy with the wind, sun, rain, cloud or the grass was too wet, dry or long for any other teams games.
The officials are poor but seem to be poor across the board. Yes we’ve had more than the lions share but I don’t really watch other teams a lot so it’s hard to compare who has it the worst.
{Ed025's Note - Wolves by a mile JK..
02 Apr 2024 19:32:27
That Diaz goal stands alone when it comes to VAR mistakes. All the others can be subjective opinions.
Diaz scored. Confirmed. Not counted.
02 Apr 2024 21:15:26
I've not heard Klopp speak up for other clubs.
and couldn't care that he does or doesn't tbh. I want him to speak up for us and that's it.
It would be lovely if the managers all got together in unison but I think that's more for the off-season.
In the heat of battle I'm not expecting any manager to be fighting another club's cause.
02 Apr 2024 22:29:43
It’s not a matter of any manager speaking up for other clubs but outright hypocrisy from Kompany. He doesn’t get to say that it’s part of the game when it happens to someone else then cry like a little girl when it happens to his team. He needs to keep his mouth shut and soak it up. It’s part of the game, after all.
03 Apr 2024 00:30:51
It looks like everybody apart from us are hypocritical eh?
03 Apr 2024 00:40:47
If ALL managers spoke out about every bad decision for every other club in the league, it'd be a breath of fresh air. It's affecting every club, I'd much rather see them stand together as one and say it how it is.
03 Apr 2024 08:01:37
Neither of Ange Postecoglu or Vincent Kompany have any right to complain about any bad refereeing or VAR mistake. They gave it the big one that it’s all part of the game and that mistakes happen. They need to get over it and keep their mouths shut.
03 Apr 2024 09:00:24
Ed25 if Wolves were in a title race and they fell off based on the no. of blatant bad calls against them (only matched by the amount of apologies by Webbo and his ban of frauds) then trust me, the lawsuits would be flying off the shelves come the end of the season.
{Ed025's Note - we all get bad calls Oli because of the poor standard of officials and dodgy VAR calls, but if i remember correctly Wolves have had 8 apologies this season mate and thats just not good enough, they would actually be on the verge of a European place which is massive for a club like them if they had got the decisions that they deserved, to their credit they have not thrown their toys out of the pram and just got on with it...or is that the problem that they have not called out these cheats and charlatans who run the show?..
03 Apr 2024 09:13:58
WDW3 if the comments of our manager compared to the comments of these same managers are anything to go by then YES, they are all hypocrites. When things did not go our way this season vs Arsenal with Odegaard, at Spurs or even vs City at home with the Doku incident, Klopp said nothing and didn't complain. He was mostly gracious cos he said he had to hold his tongue otherwise his bank account would get lighter.
And when things like the Konate second booking vs Everton that could have happened, Klopp admitted that we got lucky a bit on that one. He did not try to talk down to the rest of us telling everyone to learn how to accept that bad decisions will happen. Can't say the same for Arteta, Ange, and Kompany. Just my observation.
03 Apr 2024 09:25:24
The only officiating error in Premier League history that rivals the Diaz decision was in the game between Sheffield United and Aston Villa a few years ago. The ball blatantly crossed the line and even hit the net just behind the post, Michael Oliver literally saw it had so he looked down at his watch waiting for the signal, but then decided his eyes must've deceived him because his watch didn't buzz due to a Hawkeye malfunction. Game ended 0-0 thanks to that mistake denying Sheffield United the win.
It was a truly shocking moment that had huge ramifications, as Aston Villa stayed up by 1 point. A point they gained due to that error. If Liverpool were to lose the league by 1 point this season, or Spurs beat Villa to 4th position by 2 points, then I think the Diaz error then trumps this too. But as it stands, it hasn't cost us anything significant or gifted Spurs anything significant.
03 Apr 2024 12:26:55
Ed025 you're not allowed to say the game is corrupt didn't you know? Just don't read the latest breaking news on Rubiales and his Saudi mates.
{Ed025's Note - thats always been my problem stuie, i dont care what people think mate and will say what i see, we have seen corruption in other sports and football is the biggest of them all so to think there is none is being very naive, these betting companies are making squillions every week and you cant tell me that the odd brown envelope is not involved...just dont tell anyone what i said though.. :)
03 Apr 2024 15:21:00
We've all seen so much illegal stuff in other sports, why would it not happen in football? We've seen doping, match fixing, athletes using, buying and selling contraband, and so many other things. Why would it, and could it, not happen in football? The greed for money and fame is no different in football than in other sports and athletics. It's not like football, and all that are associated with it, walk around with halos, is it? It's not just athletes that can be implicated, but their coaches, trainers, managers and team administrators/ management too. And in the case of football it can involve the refs also.
In my opinion, there's been too regular a path of "incompetence" this season, for it to be just "bad calls". I never thought it was only against LFC, but rather cases where influence (in the form of brown envelopes) has been used to get the "desired" result. If I were the Wolves owner or senoir management, I would have lawsuits filed already; millions can be at stake here; why wait until the end of the season to make a move?
03 Apr 2024 16:53:11
Aray I think it’s obvious that there is corruption in football mate and it’s been proven from fifa / uefa to match fixing etc around the world in other leagues.
However I don’t believe or I’m burying my head In the sand not wanting to believe that, that corruption is in the premier league as far as match fixing goes.
Probably because if I did allow myself to believe it then that would make me a fool for following a sport and club where there is corruption to the level of match fixing.
I think if it was ever to come to light they these games are fixed via whatever means then I’d never spend another penny on premier league football.
03 Apr 2024 18:30:32
JK, depends how you define corruption as you say. I would assume there has definitely been corruption in the PL in terms of financial doping, dodgy transfer dealings etc, but whether it would extend to fixing matches, difficult to say I guess. There is just far too much involved in the game to rule it out. Look at FIFA with Blatter and his cronies, they didn't even try to hide it it was so obvious!
04 Apr 2024 02:06:01
Corruption - Where there is money there is most certainly corruption, this much is true. To what extent? none of us know, it's all speculation right now but in my eyes (just my opinion) the whole lot of it is corrupt as hell and one day it'll be out there for us all to see.
04 Apr 2024 11:52:01
ArAy, I agree man - I mean, are we really to believe that officials are simply this incompetent?
The onfield Ref will miss things - honestly, given the speed of the game, players in the way etc, it happens. No issue with that, but how does the VAR official not see what every one of us see looking at the same replays?
I hear the, 'didn't want to give my mate a hard time' nonsense but surely giving a completely wrong call gives your mate a much harder call?
Are there just a few of them in a betting syndicate that we'll find out about in the near future lol?
Personally, I'd take VAR away from the referees. VAR itself is a useful tool, it is simply being misused. Have another agency/ set of dedicated VAR officials, but not existing or former refs - they see something, refer the ref to the screen - get rid of this 'clear and obvious' mantra as it simply does not work - the ref looks at the replays and makes the call. This way, it is ALWAYS the onfield refs call, the VAR officials simply alert him to 'all the angles' so to speak and this removes the whole overriding refs calls/ mates angles etc.
And this whole 5 min wait for a call is just nuts - should be like a minute max to look at a couple of replays.