Liverpool Banter Archive December 14 2015

14 Dec 2015 22:05:10
Hey Eds, just wondered if you knew anything about yusuf Poulsen from rb Leipzig. Is anyone looking at him, I can see him being a real talent in years to come.

{Ed002's Note - Try the European pages.}

15 Dec 2015 15:26:20
We are still recovering from the last Poulsen to play for us.

14 Dec 2015 20:26:23
The best way to undermine Pulis and his tactics is to incessantly dive. I hate divers in football but if Pulis won't play within the rules then it is foolish not to do the same. A continental side would do this repeatedly and I imagine Pulis' face would resemble an infant who'd had his ice cream stolen by a seagull. A little dishonourable. perhaps, but the wind up potential would be prodigious.

14 Dec 2015 20:56:37
Nope the best way is to out play him. Quick movement, high pressure total football.
Humiliate him with real football, like the Germans did to England in 2012 World Cup.

14 Dec 2015 20:58:41
I really hate this mentality.

14 Dec 2015 19:05:25
Eds reds massive respect for HARRY ARTER. To go out and play at all after what happened to his wife and himself was amazing but to put that performance in was fantastic! ! Deserved a standing ovation.

14 Dec 2015 23:45:54
Very brave guy. God be with him and his family.

14 Dec 2015 16:30:55
A lot of people criticizing our fullbacks again, particularly Clyne. I personally think for the amount spent he's been a decent signing. And comparing him to glen Johnson is mind boggling. He's miles better than Johnson.

Ask yourselves, what fullbacks in the league would you rather have than ours? I honestly can't think of two, especially from the same team. Their main weakness is aerial prowess but I still think they've been good this season.

14 Dec 2015 17:27:33
Amavi, Kelly, Wisdom, Bertrand, Shaw, Dave, Coleman (oviedo), Zabaletta, van aanholts played well under sam, possibly Darmian.

At the same team. I'd probably take man united, man city's, Chelseas if they dropped bran and put dave right and baba left, Cedric and Bertrand possibly, I'd take baines and Coleman, Kelly and souare posibly, there's possibly a few wingback pairs I think work better than ours.
I've not seen enough of souare to comment individually.

I think Moreno has improved and puts in decent crosses get his head up, and works like a donkey, but still switches off at times. I always wanted Bertrand

Clyne should have never been an option, can't cross, overlap, shoot, talk, or defend rationally.

I know I know, we're all meant to support the team blah blah, but there are certainly better fullbacks out there than what we paid around £30 million+ for to think otherwise is silly.

14 Dec 2015 18:50:55
There are certainly better full backs in the league, but I don't see how you can say that Kelly and Wisdom are when they both hardly even get into their respective teams. That may be due to the managers preferences, but if you have nothing to judge them on, how can you say they're better? For the record, I think we could do a lot worse than Clyne, reasonably solid, and rarely gets skinned on ones on ones, but could be better going forward. I also like Moreno as a player, and think he could be top class if he just focuses a bit more while tracking runs and marking.

14 Dec 2015 19:51:02
Clynes not as good as last season, attacking wise anyway, but he is ten fold better than Johnson was at defending.

15 Dec 2015 08:52:20
Spot on Bobatron.

Rose, Walker and Trippier would all improve our team and they all play for Spurs.

{Ed001's Note - not one of those 3 would improve our team in any way shape or form. Not one of them is any good defensively, so they would just alter the names on the back of the shirt to little effect.}

15 Dec 2015 09:05:41
How do we not have anything to judge them on?
I watched Wisdom several times on loan at Derby where he bossed it, and was imperious vs Chelsea, I also watched him at WBA where before anti coach pulis came in he was undroppable, but ofcourse as ED001 alludes to, he can actually play rather thasn kick an opponent so was dropped. Kelly played 31 premier league games for palace last year, and a fair few this year, I'm pretty sure I can make a judgement from watcing him on his playing ability, there's more than enough evidence to go off.

15 Dec 2015 12:19:52
Clearly people think Clyne and Moreno are the best fullbacks in the prem judging by the disagrees.

15 Dec 2015 23:36:55
I personally quite like Clyne and Moreno.

14 Dec 2015 15:14:42
Origi may never become a great star but he certainly did a classy thing yesterday. Players like CR, Bale and Young would most definitely have fallen over and claimed the free kick but Origi showed that you don't always have to fall and gained his just reward. Congratulations and keep it up son.

14 Dec 2015 20:29:48
Most LFC players would have stayed down also tbf, so massive credit to Origi.

15 Dec 2015 02:31:30
The boy has shown desire and determination to play n succeed here yet many on here still give him stick for all the effort he shows. I guess his bashers would prefer Balotelli instead, who couldn't be bothered to even train without whining about having broken a finger nail.

15 Dec 2015 23:38:26
I disagree, a lot of the players do try and stay on their feet or if do get fouled get on with it. Evans vs Shelv springs to mind. Evans made a meal of it despite 2 feet off the floor and shelv reckless also but wasn't too footed but he got a red because he got up and on with it!

14 Dec 2015 13:26:42
They say a world class keeper is worth 10 to 15 points a season. Well Mingolet is worth about -10 to -15 a season so what the hell does that make him? I actually miss Diego Cavilieri and Charles Itandje.

On a side note, I thought Can was brilliant yesterday. Bossed the midfield from deep ala Xabi Alonso, and was solid as a rock when he had to drop into centre back as an emergency. Lallana was very tidy and creative as well.

Coutinho I'm not sure if he actually played? Henderson played okay but his set piece delivery and crossing was terrible. He looked the fittest player on the pitch though the way he burst forward, particularly for his goal.

Clyne and Moreno offered nothing. Skrtel and Lovren were uncharacteristically solid (first goal was all on Mingolet and the second Lovren was fouled) .

Milner offered nothing tbh. Ibe and Origi were great when they came on though. They were powerful, direct and fired off some good shots, one of which equalised the game for us!

Benteke just makes the wrong runs. He never makes an effort to get in behind. He just pulls wide for diagonals all the time and stands in the box waiting to be found by a perfect delivery. I hate to say it, but he doesn't suit our game.

Origi, Lallana and Ibe should start against Watford as the front 3. Benteke and Firmino have done nothing to warrant a place for me.

I'd have Coutinho behind them pulling the strings (and I'd tell him not the shoot every time he gets within 30 yards) . Then i'd sit Can and Henderson behind the attacking 4. We should be going to Watford to score 2 or 3 goals. Not to scab a 1-0 or 1-1. Only change I'd make to the defence is to bring Sakho or Toure in for Lovren depending on fitness. And Bogdan has got to start for me. Mingolet has cost us too many points already now.

Regarding West Broms tactics, well i've already had my say on that in reply to an earlier thread so i won't repeat myself. Heard a rumour Pulis is after Triple H, The Undertaker, Batista and Brock Lesnar for his new look back 4 next season though so thought i'd share that inside information.

14 Dec 2015 13:51:23
Well since you're a lover of stats, in 3 seasons his ''stats'' say he's made 8 mistakes leading to goals, that's 24 points/3 or 8 points a season, but then, he's also saved us at crucial times as. We needed some one when Pepe decided just just throw us under a bus and burn his bridges. Begovic wouldn't come and we spunked cash on a quick fix. Maybe we should get Brad Jones back in between the sticks?

I've only watched the extended highlights and will watch the full match tomorrow, but from what I saw, Skrtel made 2 or 3 rash decisions and once again failed to communicate with Clyne again on occasion.

Firmino has played well with Lallana AND Pipco and deserves a place in that forward 3 if it's played. They have been brilliant with their interplay.

14 Dec 2015 14:00:33
Emre Can was wasteful and gave away possession cheaply on multiple occasions, particularly in the first half. I have no idea where you got that he was playing like Alonso. Clyne can't pass a ball (or cross) to save his life and bungling Mignolet was well, bungling Mignolet. Lovren and Skrtel were decent while Moreno jumped out of challenges, and this is not the first time I have seen him take the easy route when physically pushed. Milner played like a pub player, Henderson was not even closest to the fittest on the pitch, but got some good minutes under his belt.

There is a stark contrast in the way certain players want to play, and what others are used to; Milner, Clyne, Benteke all have this brusque style of play and are more of a cog if you want to play fast attacking, one-touch football which is exactly what Coutinho, Henderson, Can, Lallana, Moreno wants to. I see that Klopp is trying to integrate both of it, and is giving every chance to the players to show that they can fit in, but performances like this will not help the cause of some of them.

A word on Klopp and his celebrations, I think it was him just being pumped up after his altercation with Pulis, but he perhaps also saw an opportunity to get rid of the perfunctory attitude of the fans - and I think he took that chance, got the fans buzzing at the end, and no doubt no one will come away from Anfield yesterday night saying the crowd was dull. Perhaps this is him trying to incite a reaction out of the fans.

14 Dec 2015 14:17:00
A centre back needs to be tougher than lovren was, yes he had a bit of pressure from behind, but he needs to just forget it and clear the ball. If the ref gives a foul after fair enough, but he can't rely on going down easily as a defender in that situation. There was one earlier in the season he did the same and got the free kick but it was very soft.

14 Dec 2015 14:26:47
Hold on bobatron. Go get us the stats were he has saved us points please. You just shrugged that off like he has, I can't remember him being the reason we got a result?

14 Dec 2015 14:35:14
Ems didn't you argue that benteke would be a brilliant signing? And why was people talking about style of play with him?

14 Dec 2015 14:53:55
Big al
to quote EMS


''I don't buy into all this about Benteke not suiting our style. If our attacking players are so incapable of getting the ball into the box that we desperately need a striker who can create their own chances, then I'd suggest the problem is our attackers; which it isn't.

Benteke is a proven double figures striker at a bang average side. He isn't just a hit and hope target man. He is a world class striker. As proven by the fact he is first choice for the 2nd ranked international team.

I have no doubt he'd cone in and bag 20+ goals in all competitions because he is a proper old fashioned striker. He gets into the box and he scores poachers goals. He is powerful, fast, and has a lethal shot.

Don't get me confused though. I don't want to sign him. He is injury prone, doesn't really work that hard for his team, thinks he is gods gift and deserves to start every game and just to top it off when the team is playing bad he just walks around sulking.

So let's not make stuff up about how he won't score goals in our team because he will. He'll score goals in any team if he can score at Aston Villa! His issues are nothing to do with his ability. I just hope we go for Rondon myself if it comes down to him or Benteke.

For the people acting all confused about why we're signing a big striker, Rodgers' main man at Swansea was Danny Graham so don't act so surprised. My biggest gripe with signing a big man is that Lambert is sat in stands itching to play! ''
East Midlands Scouser.

14 Dec 2015 14:56:34
Al I said he was a good player and we should give him a chance but I wanted Bacca or a player of that ilk. I never said he was a great signing though.

I did say that about Firmino and Ings, but I stand by that they will be excellent for us long term.

14 Dec 2015 15:00:06
What about all the times he's stayed on his line Bob? Or kicked the ball straight back to the opposition? Or punched instead of catching? Or tried to get his hands down to a shot instead of just using his feet?

A lot of people have jumped on this "EMS loves stats" bandwagon and tbh it's getting boring mate. Some stats are simply BS.

14 Dec 2015 14:46:26
Paulo you can't remember the saves vs Bournemouth Stoke, even against Arsenal, NOT EVEN Everton?!? Not saying they were world class, but there was some aprticularly woeful defending in there and he did his job.
Just because you can't remember Paulo, doesn't mean it didn't happen, worth noting every one also exclaimed how much Migs improved as soon as klopp came in. Forget his eprformance vs Spurs so readily did we?

I can't find any extended highlights but here are some match reports

http://goo.gl/5CxGBL

http://goo.gl/KMIJAA

14 Dec 2015 14:53:13
I am not sure, what people see in Lallana. He has cost us plenty and look at his goals / assist.
3 goals all last season and 0 this season so far.
What you mean by creativity if it doesn't result in any goals or major contribution?
His counterpart at other clubs are banging in goals and assists.

14 Dec 2015 15:13:50
EMS you can say that about any keeper though. I have no idea how those stats came about, but you mentioend the stats of a world class keeper saving you so and so points a season, vs migs who costs you so and so without any relevant proof, other than what I'm guessing you heard about his 8 goals in 3 seasons.

Don't be critical of the stat issue, you pretty much used it as your basis for any decision for 3 years on this site mate. Take the ribbing. Stats were the cornerstone of almost any debate you had!

I've sent another message on this thread which doesn't seem to have made it (yet) but it had links to match reports regarding migs etc. Maybe one of the eds is modifying it I don't know?

14 Dec 2015 15:24:00
Thanks for posting my opinions on Benteke though Bob. At least Al can now see I didn't want us to sign him. I expected him to adapt and he is still well on course to bag double figures for us. But as I said, when we are playing bad he makes no effort to change the game.

Origi came straight on, put in a shift and got his reward.

14 Dec 2015 15:26:13
I made observations and added stats to them in context. They weren't the base to my arguments. People just jumped on them because Ed001 said they can't always be trusted and now people won't drop it.

14 Dec 2015 15:29:26
EG 6 in 41 and 2 in 21.

14 Dec 2015 15:44:14
Thanks for the long summary bobatron.
Ems you said he was a world class striker, something which he is far from and never will be because the boy is far too lazy. His work ethic on the pitch and attitude is well short of good enough.

14 Dec 2015 15:44:34
You can't argue that a keeper has gained is points because he's made saves, that most keepers in the league would probably have saved, without making the same mistakes he has? Good Goalkeepers make 1 or 2 big mistakes a season and few errors that lead to goals but it's every couple of games with mignolet.

14 Dec 2015 16:56:43
Benteke is a world class player. He leads the line for Belgium. But he is too lazy too show that ability on a regular basis.

Look at his goal vs United. He has done that a few times in his career. He is wonderfully talented but lacks desire to succeed.

14 Dec 2015 17:10:21
apart from fencey according to that stat that's getting banded about it's once every 13 games. There were some decent saves in Everton and Spurs. I suggest you re watch. They were quite easily point saving saves. They're not the only times either, just those bbc match reports highlight it.

14 Dec 2015 17:52:27
Your definition of a world class player is world's apart from mine.

14 Dec 2015 18:16:30
I wouldn't call benteke world class either TBH.

15 Dec 2015 02:36:54
EMS, Benteke is not world class. Saying that is just plain wrong and defies reality. Saying this will take away whatever credibility you still possess on this forum.

14 Dec 2015 12:13:18
Is a centerback our main priority now in Jan? My personal choice who wouldn't be overly priced, is underrated and not in Europe would be Winstone Reid, he would fit in perfect and has premiership experience, any thoughts?

Big Dan Glebals.

{Ed002's Note - At this point in time, nothing has changed.}

14 Dec 2015 09:42:19
Did anyone else think Klopps words on no longer allowing teams to beat us with those tactics remind you of a another rather famous LFC managers speech?

He is spot on and was so pleased he identified it and said it with real passion. We should be far better on set plays in particular.

14 Dec 2015 13:08:03
He is spot on but for me actions speak louder than words.
If you mean what you say then bloody well sort out our weaknesses at set pieces. We can all give it billy big balls and say we're not losing to this type of team again. But if you play 1 statue up front and let goals in from set pieces then you bloody will lose to them time and time again.

14 Dec 2015 13:08:03
He is spot on but for me actions speak louder than words.
If you mean what you say then bloody well sort out our weaknesses at set pieces. We can all give it billy big balls and say we're not losing to this type of team again. But if you play 1 statue up front and let goals in from set pieces then you bloody will lose to them time and time again.

14 Dec 2015 09:03:16
Funny how things work out isn't it? The horrible tackle on Lovren cost West Brom the win in the end, maybe pulis should rethink his thuggish tactics.

14 Dec 2015 09:13:56
I doubt Pulis knows how to 'rethink'. His tactics are indicative of his lack of mental prowess and tactical nous.

14 Dec 2015 10:41:50
Do you really think it was a bad tackle? Yes ta man followed through but he was first to the ball. In livens time at Liverpool I have only seen a slight increase in his abilities. Yes he ain't making the same silly mistakes as he was at the start of last season but he still seems off the pace, clumsy on the ball, and lacks a voice especially alongside skrtle.

{Ed001's Note - it was a dreadful tackle, he deliberately followed through, lifting his studs as he did so. There was time for him to avoid such excessive contact, but he made it worse and you could see by his face he knew it as well. I have no doubt he was not intending to do any serious damage, it is about intimidation, but the result was a bad tackle.}

14 Dec 2015 10:58:24
Have to disagree with you on this one Ed. Taped MOTD last night, as well as watched it. Played it back numerous times this morning and I can't see anything other than a fully committed tackle, which Lovren also went into committed. I can't see how when his foot made contact with the ball he could stop his foot from following through. It would be almost impossible for your foot to stop dead.

{Ed001's Note - nobody said his foot should stop dead, but it shouldn't be raised up to catch Lovren on the knee. He could have easily let his knee bend with the impact to reduce it as well, instead of going through with it. There was no way on earth that was anything but a deliberate follow through. He knew exactly what he was doing.}

14 Dec 2015 09:30:49
Pulis has been the same for ages and what did we expect him to do? He is not Pelligreni blessed with world class players at his disposal. West brom were near the relegation zone and a point at anfield was all in his mind and he got that.

14 Dec 2015 12:57:14
I can't believe people are defending that tackle. Go back a few seasons to Liverpool vs Man City. Henderson made a late lunge and went over the top of the ball (despite touching ball before player) but was red carded because the follow through caught the City man. And Henderson didn't go in anywhere near as violently as Gardner did. It's a straight red card. The only possible reason for disagreeing is you quite simply don't know the rules.

Skrtel and Milner should've been booked also but West Brom could very easily have ended that game with 7 men. They fouled Benteke in what was a stone wall penalty. McAuley (i think) attacked Lovren off the ball allowing Olson to score there second goal. Fletcher repeatedly fouled Mingolet at every corner. They upended Milner, Origi and Coutinho countless times.

It was a disgusting game from West Brom and the bloody media are completely embarassing themselves over the incident by refusing to crucify Gardner for what was one of the worst tackles i've ever seen. He showed a complete lack of remorse and the referee should be banned from Premier League football for failing to control the game.

I hope i'm wrong but that tackle looks career ending. Knees aren't supposed to bend sideways!

14 Dec 2015 14:05:50
Gardener deliberately followed through, and even raised his legs on the follow-through, and make no mistake, Pulis will have asked his players to use sly means to get in our face. Craig Pawson continues to show why he is among the poorest referee with his performance yesterday - not one single card? Are you kidding me?

15 Dec 2015 02:44:15
I saw the tackle again and my word, that was a defo leg breaker on the follow through. He could have pulled out of the follow through after cleanly getting the ball but he stuck the boot in instead, full force. He was trying to hurt Lovren or leave some mustard on his knee, as some say over here in the States. That was a straight red, IMO.

14 Dec 2015 08:34:43
I have seen a few fans on here and other sites saying klopp should of played 2 up top, he got it wrong etc but my thinking is this.

The man knows what he is doing, the Liverpool job is a marathon not a sprint. There is no quick fix.

He said in his first season at Dortmund they had 15 draws! He is trying to install a never lose mentality, and from there build a dominant team.


Until he completely trusts his players both in ability and mentality he is not going to take his foot off the brake.

He wants to turn anfield into a fortress again, look at him with the Kop yesterday, he knows how important the fans are.

Just sit back and enjoy, its going to take months not weeks, but he will have us on top again.

14 Dec 2015 08:41:25
I agree with all the great things you said about him. i still think he should try to play 2 upfront.

{Ed001's Note - it really should depend on the match, Paisley did not always play two up top either.}

14 Dec 2015 08:47:49
I manage Sunday league and I don't rate my keeper or my centre backs! Playing 3 midfielders infront of them helps slightly with my nerves. Maybe klopp feels the same.

14 Dec 2015 08:56:33
I'm not a fan of playing 2 strikers personally, though it can be useful when utilised correctly. I don't see which 2 would have made a difference here we only have a 20 year old and a lazy 25 year old without the will to apply his abilities.
We've played better with 3 across the front who work in tandem with 1 another. Klopp will probably address this over the coming weeks. I still don't think he feels he knows his best 11. and the constant injuries and comebacks keep meaning he has to adjust.

14 Dec 2015 10:19:11
The best we have played in the last 10 years (over a number of games) with 2 upfront is when we had Suarez and Sturridge fit.

Both worked tirelessly at tracking back, moving creating space for others etc.

We don't have another striker like Suarez now and playing someone who lacks movement will cause us being up an extra player in attack.

Back to the original point - carra is right; 2 months into a job and not one of the players he brought in; it's going to take 18 months to be where Klopp wants to be.

14 Dec 2015 09:15:26
It depends on what you mean by two up top. More precisely you should have someone off benteke. I am not a big fan of the narrow formation and everytime the team tries to emulate Arsenal scoring that winderful 15 completed pass.

Westbrom had a Wall and Liverpool pretty much like a Bull tried to break it with their head. Its useles.

Man City and Arsenal the only two teams in the league who would allow you to play your natural game and majority would be happy to sit back or mark man to man without any intention to win or play.

We scored a gaol when we lumped one over the top.

4 at the back.
2 in the middle
2 on the flanks
2 up top.

Thats how UTD walked away with the title all these years.
If you know how to cross a ball. You ll nick one for sure.

14 Dec 2015 12:06:25
Ah but harry that's my point, we don't have giggs and Beckham on the wings to cross balls, and we don't have Keane and Scholes in the centre!
There's no point trying to play a formation if you don't have the personnel.
I don't think klopp trusts, the squad enough defensively to go all out attack.

14 Dec 2015 13:53:47
Hoola that football with SAS was more 3 up front, Raheem for all intents and purposes was a third striker sat on the tip of that diamond with Suarez and Ssturridge wide of him cosntantly moving.

14 Dec 2015 13:58:14
Harry LFC put in 29 crosses according to the stats at squawka, even then it was possibly our shortest player on the pitch that pulled away, because the statue was nowhere, Moreno even got to you ''by line'' twice.

14 Dec 2015 14:07:37
You can think all you want, but Klopp didn't take the Liverpool job so that he can abrogate his beliefs and stark playing "two up top".

14 Dec 2015 13:11:08
I agree with your view Carra Mate, But its stupid to rule out such formation and style of play. We are now in a situation with 35 mill target man whose previous manager warned the club before buying him.
He is bloody good when you play to his strength and he has shown it with Villa. He is a physical monster who could surrender any defenders own his own.
Villa played to his strength and he was scoring goals.

Arsenal all these years won nothing with their fluent pass and move beautiful football apart from applauses while Chelsea walked away with the league with deep defensive system last year.

He gets isolated on his own up front.

14 Dec 2015 15:03:10
Arsenal have won 2 trophies in 2 years EG, and currently top the table in the premier league. This after the financial difficulties of paying off the stadium for years.

15 Dec 2015 02:47:02
Arsenal and its fans and managers have excuses for everything. If they don't win the
PL this season, they will have a ready made excuse for that because you know, nothing is ever Wenger's fault.

14 Dec 2015 05:04:36
A lot being made of klopp celebrating a point against a mid table opposition in front of the kop. It's between our manager, our players and us supporters. Why does the outside world care so much about what's right and what's wrong? Against palace he complained fans leaving early and we lost the game, so now that they stayed behind and we salvaged a draw, he wanted to show his sincere thanks and it was almost like "together we are stronger" . Next time we'll go one better and nick all three points. Just about any story would do with these lousy journalists it seems because they really can't be bothered enough to find something of note.

14 Dec 2015 05:37:26
Well said.

{Ed001's Note - do you not think the media are just trying to steer the conversation away from their buddy Pulis's tactics? The big talking point of the game was clearly the challenge on Lovren, but they chose to go with anything else they could find. This happens week after week, Pulis sends his team out to kick opponents into submission but we hear about how the opposition manager is a whinger or anything other than the thuggery of the tactics.}

14 Dec 2015 05:54:33
Absolutely my thoughts ed001. I'm quite surprised that it's being called a 'fair tackle'. Sure enough highlight how a couple of Liverpool challenges were not great either, but to just absolutely turn your back and discard it as nothing but a 'committed challenge'. Ehmmm. Clear bias in my eyes in favor of their visionary English manager.

14 Dec 2015 08:03:01
A lot said about Pulis tactics. Watching professional footballers deliberately go for a 50/50 tackle with that much power To follow through in to a player has to be dealt with. He misses the ball it's a straight red for dangerous play! Wenger complained about this for years and it's true, it ruins football games and can seriously damage players. It reminds me of my playing days with non-league pub teams!


Milner and Skrtle are types that say "you stick one on me or my team mate, you'll have one back. " You can't argue with Pulis success at 'keeping teams in the league' but could he manage a footballing team as Stoke were the same for the seven years he managed them as well. I'm not saying he can't, it's just that he's never shown that.

14 Dec 2015 08:12:54
I think it was a celebration of a sign of the future, rather than thinking we had won the champions league.

The message is were here and were going to fight till the last second for you. We are in this together

Rather than we have a point yay.

14 Dec 2015 13:39:06
I notice MOTD ignore stuff like that always.

14 Dec 2015 04:02:25
I really envied you guys who were priviledged to watch last night game at Anfield. After Origi scored, Klopp was screaming for the crowds to roar, and exactly they did. I watched it on TV, and the commentators said about how loud the noise was. I could even hear them on tv.

After the match, Klopp came into the pitch calling for the players, and asked them to hold hands, but I couldn't see more. It suddenly went to commercials and straight to the pundits.

Wow. It was just one league game, but wow!

14 Dec 2015 09:36:05
I still can't believe shearer and co defending that challenge! No Malice? Idiots to be frank.

However, Ed01. While I do not like the tactics Pulis plays I have to disagree that he isn't a good manager. I mean Big sam has often played the same way and they shouldn't try and play like us or arsenal, man city etc etc as they would be beaten hands down, so they should adopt to make it difficult.

I am not defending that challenge at all though obviously. Put they did defend in numbers and make it difficult and its OUR FAULT we can't play against long balls and set plays.

{Ed001's Note - I am not a fan of Allardyce in the slightest, but Allardyce suits his tactics to his players when he can. When Okocha was at Bolton, they played some decent football. The problem is that he returns quickly to the lowest possible denominator the moment things are not ideal. That is more in respect to long balls though, rather than in respect to violent assaults.

Pulis, on the other hand, will deliberately sign players to be more brutal and rough up opponents, even when quality is available to him. He will ignore players in his squad, if they are not willing to throw themselves into challenges with reckless abandon. It is not good management when it is cheating. Good management is winning within the rules, but he makes sure his team are well outside of them, even though they consistently get away with it.

As for Shearer, just remember that he is the childish brat who stamped on a player blatantly and refused to accept it, instead threatening to pull out of the England squad if any action was taken. He was as good with his elbows as he was with his feet, he was not averse to the kind of nasty vile tactics Pulis employs.}

14 Dec 2015 10:18:24
I would have to agree with Ed001 on this.
Look at how Stoke play now compared with Pulis in charge.

They have gone out and bought some realy quality, I don't think Shaqiri, Bojan and Arnautovic would have appeared before Hughes.

13 Dec 2015 23:17:48
Been to game today and just watched MOTD. Hate to say it Ed001 but your assessment of the Gardner challenge was wrong, mate. Normally agree with just about everything you say, but not on this occasion. It was a full bloodied challenge not much different from the one Milner put in. And I write with red tinted glasses!

{Ed001's Note - sorry but you need to watch it again, and then look at every other challenge they made, each one was followed through. That was a deliberate follow through, not a deliberate attempt to break his leg, but a deliberate attempt to get the man as well.}

14 Dec 2015 04:36:44
If benteke wasn't interfered with, or blatantly held off the ball, then I'm afraid we were watching different games. Olssen is a worse culprit than what Skrtel was last season. And Skrtel was lucky that his two footed lunge didn't connect. Instant red card and could have damaged rondon really badly

WBA played like thugs. Newcastle played a fair but hard game in my honest opinion.

{Ed001's Note - it does seem the rules are changed when Pulis brings a team to town, as refs let a lot more go. There could have been a number of red cards, yet I can't even recall seeing a single booking in that match. If that had been us against a n other team, I am sure the ref would have produced a few cards, but they seem to just shrug and accept it when it is a Pulis team.}

14 Dec 2015 06:02:21
Ed i think you are 100% spot on. I think very few players actively try to break or serious injure a players leg, however he made sure he fully caught him with his studs and when you're travelling at such pace that's how serious injuries happen. Poor Lovren, do hope for the best, finally starting to show some form.

14 Dec 2015 09:29:19
Gardner wins the ball which is on the deck then how does he arch Lovren on the knee? For me he deliberately raises his boot after winning the in an attempt to injure Lovren. This seemed to happen after every challenge and must be something Pulis is telling his players to do. Look at the challenge that left Milner in a heap by the advertising boards. Milner tried to jump over a grounded WBA player who in turn lifted his leg to trip Milner. If these tactics aren't dealt with soon someone's career will be ended.

{Ed001's Note - Eduardo's very nearly was. Wenger has been telling everyone for years that Pulis is a disgrace but just got stick off the media as Pulis is one of their blue eyed boys.}

14 Dec 2015 09:40:21
I like you the most ED01 but I do feel a small percentage of what you say is because you clearly hate pulis anyway. It was a nasty game in places and your right about following through. I will say though Pulis isn't a bad manager at all. He plays a rough long ball game and gets men back. but I repeat from earlier we need to be able to defend long balls and set plays.

I love LFc and KLopp was my pick so couldn't be happier but we are still awful on corners. like sunday league bad!

{Ed001's Note - I hate Pulis's style of play, not the man himself. So you are wrong. He is actually a decent bloke who does a hell of a lot of work for charity, and gets his players doing so too.}

14 Dec 2015 10:32:45
OK Ed01. Thanks again for your response. I always value your opinion and often stand corrected. What ever the case though LFC need to get a lot better with set plays, on that I think we can agree :)

{Ed001's Note - defo mate, but that takes a lot of work to sort out. I do like the way he has spotted Moreno's tendency to nod off in those situations and put him on the edge of the box where he can use his pace to break.}