Liverpool Banter Archive June 21 2014

21 Jun 2014 23:22:13
hi eds

im just wondering where all the rumours are coming from that we might sell suarez, last season he wanted to move to real madrid to get champs league, now we have champs league there is no need for him to move especially the big wages he is on, will he get more wages at RM I doubt it,

he stated before the world cup he is very happy at our club and that he is going no where, so why is everyone saying get sanchez if suarez moves its like some fans want to cash in on him, we have replaced world class strikers before but there is no one in the same class as suarez,

i don't know why some fans are not saying let's hope BR keeps him and build the team around him, let's get sanchez aswell as suarez and another 1 or 2 world class players for the defence and midfield, and then team would fear us like they do RM and BARCA and the more players of that class the more better players will come, let's have it right suarez has said he wants to stay, so let's get the better players around him, and lallana is not one of them I hope all the red fans who was saying let's get lallana at any price seen him play in the world cup, he struggled against the better players and when he was not the number 1 in the team, if he come to Liverpool he won't get the team built around him, he will have to work harder instead of the team playing to him, I say let's get sanchez instead, a team with suarez, sanches, sterling andsturridge would scare most teams, plus it would give them head aches on who to mark, that's the way we should be buying players, would love it to happen but I doubt it because BR wants lallana too much, it the joe allen saga all over, lallana has nothing to prove plus he wants to go to a different team, I say let's get players who want to come to us and play for us, I've read that loveren wants to come to us that much he has handed in a transfer request, lallana has not, be carefull what you wish for, anyway a good bet is for uruaguay to win the world cup and suarez to be top scorer and win player of the tournament

22 Jun 2014 00:01:49
I have no clue where the rumours are getting up. How many times he has to come and say, he is happy here?

Italy to draw to Uruguay and they go out is kind of what I think and hope will happen
Agree about lallana too, he is good, but that is expensive, if he was 21 I'd say do it, but not at his age! Shaqiri is a more viable option if available and the price can be met! Sanchez in a dream world, if we can bid 25 mil for lallana, why not Sanchez ey ;)

If he wants to leave, then let him.

Personally, I've got a paranoia about squad outcasts, especially at your Real Madrid's etc, as I have a tendency to think that their mentality suggests that they've already made it and made their mega bucks etc.

In saying that, Benzema looks hungry so what do I know!

I always thought he would give us one more season then the fans would happily clap him all the way to Madrid, but if he chooses otherwise, who would blame him?

I defended Suarez all the way until his sulking on the pitch then it was simply indefensible.

On the fickle side, his bird was pregnant and I bet he was experiencing the hormonal grief in which I am (money never solves that problem, and, as, I'm sure some of you are aware, can crack you up).

Joking aside, he deserves his big move, and only two clubs can match his financial ambitions, yet one lies in gloomy Paris!

I think the Ed's have said on numerous occasions Suarez leaves the decison making up to his advisers. who continue to speak to clubs to see if there is a chance of a move.

Hyperthetically speaking - what if Suarez has a stinker next year; Real Madrid come in for him and pay half of what we would want for him this year as he still forces a move through?

Calls for we should've sold him last year.

We're a better team with him in the side; however if it pays for Sanchez, Lallana and Lovren then does the core of the team strenghen?

He is happy here, but would be happier at madrid or barca.

21 Jun 2014 20:11:03
Ed's, I have no backing for this other than I'd like to see it happen. What about a player plus cash swap with arsenal. They get Reina (they need a keeper) and we get Joel Campbell. He's a young talent I would like to see what he could do. Never happen but what are your thoughts on Campbell

{Ed002's Note - I have no thoughts about him particularly, he is well thought of by Arsenal.}

21 Jun 2014 19:08:42
Ed for transfer commitee any1? Would love to have got medel last summer. Then there's rojo yes is motd fever on my behalf forget in br we trust it should be in the eds we trust. Have a gr8 summer window lads and ladys

21 Jun 2014 18:10:14
Marcos Rojo looks really promising
Looks better value for money than moreno

He looks very good reet. But I trust Brendans judgement, either would be an excellent signing I believe. Rojo doesn't half have a wicked cross!

His dribbling has been excellent and has that typical south American flair

Indeed, looks solid in defence and good going forward, looks a terrific player.

He does, going forward he doesn't seem to have much weakness at all. We'll see when Argentina get a tougher calibre of team if he can cope going the other way, when the pressure is really on.

Rojo plays as a CB for his club so I think the lad can defend better than moreno, I hope we get rojo not just for his attacking but because he can defend

21 Jun 2014 15:01:41
Quick question for a ed or any red willing to comment

With barca apparently about to make a offer for suarez would you say we're in control of the situation just with barca ban soon to come into play can we demand what we want for the player otherwise they may miss out and turn him into the hands of real? And if they have put in a release clause into his contract surely it's got to be more than the 70 million been quoted? Don't get me wrong I'd love the lad to stay the rest of his career because he's by far the greatest player to watch at the moment along with sterling who's turning into a superstar

{Ed002's Note - I have no interest in discussing money or the clauses in his contract.}

21 Jun 2014 18:45:54
The club are completely in control. He has a contract and FSG aren't pushovers despite what people say. He will stay or go for his true value.

EP do you want him to go for his true value, and if so what is his true value, could we afford to lose everything her brings to a game, he destroyed england being only half fit, maybe you think its better having money and a player who is not as good as him, sturridge won't get has many goals if suarez is not in the team, the pointer is the england game, who out scored who, well there's your answer

22 Jun 2014 08:16:22
He is irreplaceable so no. As for his true value he is the best player in the world on current form so one would expect a world record fee.

21 Jun 2014 14:22:49
I would just likebto give my opinion on the england/Liverpool players debate. I don't think you can slate the Liverpool players for their performances at the world cup. All of them are playing with shackles on. I feel for hendo as he has come in for quite a lot of criticism the only thing Hodgson did right with him was put him on the pitch he wasclearly working under very restrictive instructions sterling was englands best player sturridge was working hard scored and always looked dangerous. No one would be slating gerrard if he hadnt messed up on the header. I believe he will continue to improve in his new(ish) role for us. Johnson is just not very good I admit his attitude isn't great buti don't believe he should be first choice next year and rickie didn't play. Eveyone needs to focus on positives.

Apprecuate the work you eds put in. Excuse the long post

TL;DR - If anyone, Blame Hodgson

Englands 2 worst players were United players, Arsenal didn't have anyone play yet so clearly not good enough and pundits have been slating the back 4 which consists of 2 everton players and a chelsea player as well as johnson who if not for walkers injury problems wouldn't have started

my point is, other than johnson I can think of 5 players that got criticised more than Liverpool players over the period of these 2 games so to blame Liverpool players is ridiculous and anyone who argues so is stupid

I think the only person who can really shoulder the blame for this is Hodgson, gave pirlo way too much control in the italy match and stuck by rooney and welbeck after poor performances when barkley, milner, ox and lallana wouldve all been better options

given the players we have I think moyes wouldve done a better job . the crop of players we have would be able to comfortably play like he had everton playing but national management and club management is totally different so that's just me throwing names out

You said " I don't think you can slate the Liverpool players for their performances at the world cup."

I agree. Suarez was incredible

Exactly what I think. Blame hodgson. Might seem harsh but true

Seems like a nice and respectable man, but i'm afraid to say it is roys fault. Henderson and gerrard, who were excellent all season, don't play like that purely by coincidence.

I agree roy is a man who does deserve respect he has a long successful career but I think all of us would prefer a young exciting attack minded manager. can't wait until next season now because we have one

21 Jun 2014 14:10:06
Finally Jose.

Mourinho om Suarez:D
"When he dives and he tries to get penalties out of nothing I don't like the situation.
But when he plays like he did many, many times for Liverpool, and when he plays like he did against England I have to say he is absolutely amazing.
"The commitment, the connection with the players, the connection with the supporters - I have to say, amazing."

What would Mourinho know about diving to get penalties out of nothing?

21 Jun 2014 12:26:47
I can't believe what Ian Austin said about Suarez on twitter.

{Ed001's Note - which is? And Ian Austin is who exactly?}

Edd001 I believe austin is a politician. He called him a racist, violent and cheat. i'm bot sure this should get posted but letting you know mate

{Ed001's Note - I wonder what he would have to say about Stuart Pearce? He has bit someone, racially abused a black player (without any statement put out saying he was not racist) and he was little short of a violent thug on the pitch. Or is it ok if you are English? Is it just passion then? Obviously as he was given senior coaching positions within the England team, and is starting a new position as Forest manager......}

21 Jun 2014 13:23:14
He's a corrupt mp.
He did quite a lot of expense fiddling.
I wouldn't trust a word he says

21 Jun 2014 13:37:35
I agree Red Raj. Pathetic behavior. Surely, this kind of thing cannot be tolerated, especially since it is coming form someone like him?

21 Jun 2014 13:53:26
Politicians are only interested in what makes them appear more popular; bashing suarez seems to be the in thing at the minute. Just goes to show how ridiculous some people are in this country.

21 Jun 2014 14:23:17
Are Labour trying to not get the Liverpool votes. As for Austin he is a cretin that is trying to be as popular as Maggie in and around the L postcodes.

Edd001, he's been challenged on twitter about it and given farcical responses about suarez. imo his opinion on the mattet is wrong for someone in his position and there are too many with thesekind of statements over twitter' and Austin contradicts himself, he says not because.suarez has scored. but he writes this after suarez has scored?! A poor english supporter throwing out a lack of intelligence out of the pram

Politicians are only happy when someone pays them attention.

Ignore him, vote for his opponents.
That's democracy in action.

21 Jun 2014 11:32:54
The pain of losing an England game is none comparable to when we lose!

Always knew after England played rubbish and got knocked out of the group under that dinosaur Hodgson that the Liverpool players would be made as the scapegoat as we had 5 of them in the line up.

Sterling and sturridge can hold there heads high, Henderson played well and has come of the back of an excellent season I'd I'm delighted to have him in the team.

And Gerrard, coming off the back of a season he played very well. Will find his form again under Rodgers. It's seems that rival fans are having digs that he's finished. Still walk in your team though? Carrick or Gerrard? Barry or Gerrard? Give over

Think gerratd was poor! Sterling did very well, sturridge needs to be more physical henderson didn't do anything wrong but was just another milner but in a different position, johnson waspretty clueless!

I don't get it.

England - regular underachievers - lose to Italy (tournament over achievers) and Uruguay (one of the best teams in FIFA rankings)

What did people expect? Practically our whole defence is tournament naive or plain rubbish (GJ).

Why is anyone surprised that we are out of the World Cup? We are one of the worst European teams to qualify.

21 Jun 2014 09:54:01
Are the Editors looking for additional editors?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

21 Jun 2014 13:38:27
Thanks for clearing that up.

21 Jun 2014 09:35:38
Gerrard realised that he has the most important season of his career next season as it'll be a championship challenge and realised that playing in Brazil is a bad idea. He seen Luis hanging off the last defender and started the build up play as he was thinking come on Luis send me home.

{Ed002's Note - I appreciate that the fans spent the first half of last season wanting Gerrard out, but I suspect that the captain of the club is not the complete flake you think he is.}

21 Jun 2014 11:02:49
I posted it before fans of other teams started to use it as an excuse for the squads dismal performance. Gerrard's accomplishments over his illustrious career prove that he isn't a flake.

{Ed002's Note - It seems you have opened that can of worms again. You think Gerrard deliberately threw the World Cup chances of his country whilst helping out a fellow Liverpool player? And that is a player who spent the entire summer last year trying to get out of the club and has done little other than drag the name of the club through the gutter? Some of the so called Liverpool fans have a very bizarre view of the players. I imagine Gerrard would strongly deny your accusations. Or maybe you you are right about him.}

I think the original post was tongue in cheek and not an actual representation of what the poster thought.

Tw@tter and other social media outlets are already filling up with rumours about Gerrard "flaking" as you put it.

As Liverpool fans we find this hilarious because we know what a true professional SG is. A legend, simple as that!

If other people want to spout rubbish let them, we can only mock them for it!

21 Jun 2014 17:01:48
I'm pretty sure Scouse_Pride's comment was merely a joke. No need to take it seriously. And the fans that want half of the team out of the door are a minority. They may be a loud minority, but that doesn't mean that most Liverpool fans share their views. Every Liverpool fan I've spoken to in person is over the moon with last season's effort! Most of us were delighted with Champions League qualification, never mind a title challenge as well

{Ed002's Note - So you think Scouse_Pride is joking in his accusation about Gerrard. An attempt to turn the kid in to the most hated player in England seems an odd thing to joke about.}

21 Jun 2014 17:58:04
It was not a serious comment. The only football fans that matter support a team based in Anfield. The majority of those who care about England live in small towns in the middle of nowhere and had already decided that SG is the devil. I posted it in jest at those narrow minded individuals before they could post anything. It was a pre-emptive comment against the best English player of his generation, I am surprised that you have taken it seriously 002.

{Ed002's Note - I take all of these posts seriously.}

21 Jun 2014 07:19:27
Hi eds. I thought enner Valencia looks good, determined, goal scorer. Any interest?

{Ed002's Note - Not from Liverpool as far as I know.}

21 Jun 2014 14:21:04
Good to see that we have got no interest in the player, who has been pretty good from some time. I hope we are still behind the Lallana's and Moreno's

21 Jun 2014 06:26:39
Hi to all fellow reds, especially those who are English,

I truly understand your guys' frustration, England being knocked out from the WC. I just really can't understand, or accept, on the bashings most (or some) from you guys on this and that players, tactics, and the manager. In ManU, most were bashing Gerrard and other Liverpool players, and in Liverpool page, most were bashing Rooney, the positionings of several players (partcularly Liverpool players), and also Johnson.

Fans always put expectations on their teams, high expectations. But have you guys thought about you guys had been putting too much of expectation on this England team? Can't you guys even see or look on the positives?

I am not from England, so probably I am not as frustrated or as sad as you guys were. But I am a Liverpool supporter, and after the game, I would say I was delighted seeing Rooney scores, Johnson with the assist, Welbeck with his work rate, Henderson with some of his passes, Sterling with his runs, and Gerrard (I just love watching him playing). I didn't know much about English football, but as I can remember, this team is a totally new team and it seems like an exciting team, fresh. They seems different from the previous England team I watched before this. Is it fair to ask for too much from them?

I am already excited for the Euro 2016. Aren't you too guys?

Thanks guys.

HaizanMSS

21 Jun 2014 11:49:19
Well I'm not English either, but as a football fan, I can understand some of the bashing. Overall, I looked at the squad, and the quality of football a lot of them had played this season (not just our lads - Lambert, Lallana, Baines & Cahill all had good season) and thought that apart from being a bit light for backup in defense, this is actually a good England squad. Yet as a team they performed as less than the sum of their parts and failed to get out of the group stages for the first time in the modern era.

Now personally, whilst you can say Rooney was poor against Italy (he was) and Gerrard and Hendo had poor World Cups (they did), if I was to lay a big wedge of the blame on and individual, then it'd be Hodgson. He was after all, tasked with getting these guys to play effectively with each other and he didn't.

21 Jun 2014 09:36:06
Ah well, the one concellation about our country getting knocked out of the world cup early, is six of our players for next season, will be able to recharge their batteries.
I hope we can continue with the progress from last season and continue adding quality to the squad.I didn't contribute to the pages much last season, because I felt it became a little childish at times.
What brings us to these pages, is our love of football and our wish to debate issues which are making the back pages. I have been going to Anfield since the seventies so I maybe a bit older than some. And I have been a visitor to Rumours long before Ed 01 introduced the club format
. I am going to give it another go, so prepare yourself Harry.for some banter kid.