Liverpool Banter Archive May 25 2012
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25 May 2012 23:16:00
if RM becomes de boss what players do you think that he might bring with him from wigan McCarthy was a rafa target and he has been one of their best players thyis season and Moses what do ye think
Mccarthy would not move to Liverpool originally because he refuses to be a squad player. He is insistant that when fit, he is always picked and he is not interested in any other deal. RED LENIN
Surely we wouldnt need him we have shelvey and hendo who are much better, not to mention adam lucas and gerrard?
25 May 2012 23:15:58
Eds am i just imagining it, or was there a story run about a month ago about Barca looking at Martinez...
And everyone out there ask yourself this, and be honest with yourself, do you know who Tito Vilanova is.... and if you do, did you 8 weeks ago.
btw he has no managerial expeariance...
25 May 2012 23:15:43
As a younger Liverpool fan (19), I've listened to all the stories of our great history from my dad, the likes of Shankly, KK, Paisley and so on. I remember watching history in 2005 Istanbul, the treble in 2000 and various FA cup wins over the years. However, apart from the season where we finished 2nd under Rafa, it seems to me that we are no longer the "dominant" force that we once were, despite some of our epic triumphs and what many fans want to believe. "History" will not be enough to attract big names in modern football. People suggesting the Robbens and Hazards of this world are coming to LFC need to wake up. We need to admit that, at this moment in time, we simply are not a top 4 team.
Although we've had a really tough few years, especially the last two, I do think we are making progress under FSG, contrary to what many people think. Some of the football we played in the last games of the season was really promising. Whether or not KK should be given more time is a debate that will forever continue.
The club is not in the financial shambles that it was and FSG are beginning to instill some stability into the club. They cam in when the club was in disarray and an absolute mess. I believe that as the final pieces fall together as FSG envisage, we can begin to build again and challenge for the top 4. Probably won't happen next season, but I believe that FSG are in it for the long run. KK came in, did a great job of stabilising the club when we needed it most, but unfortunately he wasn't the man we needed to build for the future (in my opinion anyway). We need to being looking at the future. Hopefully, the new manager will be given time to build a team that can once again challenge for top 4 and return LFC to where it belongs. Whoever he may be, he should have our full support and so should the owners. So let's stop all the "Bring back Rafa" and "Sack FSG" rubbish, get behind the club and owners and look to towards the future! YNWA!
Sam
Rafa was the one who got us that second place, and also the only manager to win the Champions League in the last 28 years. For him to be dismissed as a contender against the likes of Martinez or Rodgers is an absolute disgrace.
Well said, young man
Excellent point of view Sam, a true fans perspective, realistic, hopeful and most importantly - heartful!
At last my faith in humanity has been retored! A well written piece from a 19 year old? Fantastic Sam.
No ive's, yers, kans, lols etc what a breath of fresh air...
I also fully agree with all of the above. It doesn't matterr who is in charge for I support the club and not the manager. Have faith fellow redmen.
Evvothered
25 May 2012 23:15:23
I don't hear Barcelona fans whining about there new manager.
Thats cus youre on a liverpool page pal
Ben the red
In fairness to them they have a team full of the worlds best players I will support Martinez if he is appointed but I understand people are concerned, but if it is Martinez it is the supporters job to make him feel welcome and supported
And the manager who put barca together what previous experience did he have?
25 May 2012 23:08:11
I am hoping this gets posted as my last few have not... Look there are a lot of fans wanting Rafa back and there are some that dont. Its each to their own so lay off each other. The ones that do want him remember the Champions League days and the type of player he sometimes bought ala Torres Alonso and Masch. The ones who dont want him remember the boring style of play (which actually won more than lost) the annoying rotational squad, selling Alonso and losing it big time with Fergie and the board. But I think the main reason they are calling for him back now then ever is because they are scared...scared that if someone like Martinez comes to the club (who has always had a worse record than most of the premiership teams) what can he possibly do in a big team... who will he be able to attract to buy?? This is worrying but I say give him a chance if he is appointed.
His style of play which is pleasing to the eye will be what we want. The Sporting Director or DOF will be the key person to attract the player we need. Hence why its also very important to get the right person and maybe Luis Van Gaal is the man. So you see he might be the one to attract the right players for us and Martinez will be the man to get them to play the right football.
YNWA remember.... Lay off slagging each other off and support each other and the team. We are all family and we have all got our opinion whether its right or not.
My opinion will never happen but I would love to see Guardiola here...but I will support any manager they appoint... I cant wait for the news to unfold
Speedy {Ed002's Note - If any have been cut it has not been by me.}
Hold on well i see aquliaini here who is a prime example for when things go wrong. you also talk about martinez' record and don't mention his tactics or the fact that he is keeping a mid-table championship team in the epl and playing nice stuff
derryred
Cheers Ed02. I thought it was because of the Alonso rumour I posted. It was on the Australian fan site for Liverpool fans. Apparently they have contacts within the club and they say Alonso is signing back for us either this season or next and I just wanted to know if there was any legs in that story.
Speedy {Ed002's Note - I would suspect not. Alonso would cost a great deal and at his age I very much doubt he would fit the profile of players Liverpool would look to. Finding the "next" Alonso would I think be a more likely target.}
25 May 2012 22:58:37
Mcfearless, regarding your earlier post, seeing as you said every one wants Rafa back, doesn't half seem no one agreed with you, you need to move on with the times my friend, Rafa had a crack for 6 years and gave us all great memories, Martinez wasnt my first choice, but I am 100% behind the guy if he gets the job
G BOX
Like wot and known kenny?
25 May 2012 22:58:01
i posted below something in early may about how lfc could've learnt from barca & martinez's ideas and utilise the squad that's available rather than the structured 4-4-2 that kenny used. don't think john henry's been trolling this site picking up ideas but i would not be disappointed to see this team and set-up evolve next year if roberto gets the job.
ridiculing the man (martinez) before he arrives is just pure ignorance, he is a student of the game just like rafa was at his age but is probably even more educated, apparently with a lawyer's degree and the same in sports science. embrace him, he may well surprise a few of you if he gets the job! YNWA
04 May 2012 12:30:58
'a system to consider'
friendly chat and banter before the final only please, the internet doom & gloom keyboard warriors on here that consistantly moan can do one!
i'd like to see the club maybe consider the 3-4-3 system used at barca and noticably of late by martinez at wigan. a perfect opportunity for kelly to play on the right side of a back 3(his natural position) with johnson on the right of him. this system would allow johnson and enrique to do what they do best, bombing down the wings.
utilising the squad next season without major upheavals.
-------------------reina
-------kelly------skrtel-------agger
johnson--------------------------enrique
-----------gerrard------lucas
------suarez--(carroll?)--(bellamy?)
---------------/de jong------/sterling
s.p
So we essentially will only sign De Jong? Highly unlikely. I suspect 3 new signings, with a few departures.
Coates can also fill the kelly posistion as he is quite well going forward.
If you read the post it's about utilising the squad and finding a system that works while getting the best of each players best attributes in their most effective areas.
I also think a system like this would've push the team further up the pitch and pressurised swansea's possession in the last game of the season. Ideas that I hope that Martinez would've been putting across to the owners.
s.p
Coates is rubbish
He is to fotball what Sweeny Todd is to hairdressing
You are to the english language what the hulk is to ballet dancing,
That Hulk fella I heard he's with the moscow state dance troupe, a right good super hoofer of a dancer
25 May 2012 22:57:11
Bielsa's contract runs out this year....what are we waiting for??
GuvTOB
For him to learn to speak English?
25 May 2012 22:55:56
has anyone beeen appointed as direcror of football?
25 May 2012 22:52:51
Within the space of a couple of weeks I feel like I have gone back nearly 2 years, get the yonks out, they don't understand us, we are bigger than this, just a few of the statements I have read on here recently.
Now while I fully understand the current frustration can anyone on here say hand on heart that FSG are as bad as tom & jerry were?, I don't. Can anyone say that don't understand us, which owners created the fans forum/committe?, FSG Did, we're bigger than this? bigger than what? yes we are Liverpool FC and without doubt a massive club with a fantastic history and support but what are we bigger than? Martinez?, Rogers, Pep G? Jose M? How does anyone know?
I loved KD coming back and supported him through thick and thin, remember the number of fans who wanted him gone, well he has, no doubt some of them now want him back. The same will no doubt be said of the Rafa brigade, get him back until results go wrong then sack him also?
As a club we are entering a new era, not one that is going to be a quick fix, not one that will allow us to spend untold riches at present, but one that if FSG get it right, and who knows at this moment in time if they will or won't, will lead us back to the top, as we all hope, but that summitt will have been reached with a solid and stable base from which we can grow and maintain rather than fall away after a couple of years.
Should Martinez get the job, we should all get behind him, give him our full support and see how it goes, you just never know in football, if anything 7 years ago todate should tell you that! TMac
Look, buddy like you , we also love this club a lot, n just being so much devotional to it that accepting hodgsons n martinez as our managers is stupidity,
may who ever be the manager every liverpool fan will support him but, when something is wrong we should at least have a say against it?
yup we are entering new era , no quick fix all said but but with whom? a relegation expert manager? who has 36% winning rate, no European pedigree, no European experience,no winning habits no medals , not much experience at top level 3yrs only. previous jobs at swansea n wigan lol.
great start....our rivals are going for pep n hazard n we are going for martinez n sure few wigan lads as bonus ?
this is a chance to think n do big, n clever n break away this mediocrity , now i dont say give me jose or pep but at least a manager with some pride n reputation n experience in Europe , in winning championships , that is worthy of our club ....martinez is not that , (nothing against martinez, good manager, with experience in 10 yrs will surly a top dog in management, but still has a lot to learn . )
its been 3yrs now, same debate was raised during hodgson's appointment, that good manger, may surely come good. just look at the standards we dropped that year..signing pulsen,jovanovic like guys ... , its a cycle of mediocrity which is around us. wont be broken with these cheap solutions . hell if we can buy carroll for 35min then we can at least get a top top manager with proven success both in league n europe ,
25 May 2012 22:52:23
I'll be happy if Martinez gets the job, his teams play decent football and he seems to have a level head.
My concern is that he won't attract players the same way someone like AVB or Van Gaal might.
If we go for Martinez I would like to see David Dein in the new management structure.
Personally I'd have Rafa back tomorrow (I know I'll get hammered for saying it but there it is) if he'd work alongside someone like David Dein to make sure we get more Alonso and Arbeloas than El Zhars and Degens.
YNWA
J
JFT96
Just my thoughts
Totally agree, like you my only concern is Martinez won't be able to attract marque players.
25 May 2012 22:51:52
If Martinez is named our new manager, he needs to get everyone's full support.
However, I will be a little disapointed if we appoint him without even offering Capello/Guardiola talks... even if they reject even talking to us, at least we can say we tried.
If not then we will never actually know if either of them would have joined given the chance and let's face it, Capello and Guardiola are World Class managers, Martinez is not... yet....
How do you know we haven't?
Kieran
Capello has rejected already
Agree who ever is manager needs our full support, with regards to pep e.t.c we may have contacted them and they may have said no thanks, I mean we really wouldn't know what was happening with RM if it wasn't for DW. I'm sure the owners are putting a lot of thought into this not just after the cheap option as people are saying, I'm sure if they could afford 8 million to sack someone they would pay the money to make sure they don't have to sack the next guy.
G BOX
25 May 2012 22:48:19
a little soup for all you LFC fans....jurgen klopps will be announced as your new savior on monday. cheers mates, duncan jenks
We need more then one saviour! we need a few. but i would not be dissapointed if it were true
Imagine we got Klopp and Kagawa?!
When Martinez has been offered the job and is meeting the owners on Tuesday?
25 May 2012 22:47:08
Ed 002. Cubanos call Fidel Castro 'El Jefe'.
I want Rafa to be 'El Jefe'.
El 'Che' (which means mate in Argentinian Spanish. Ask Maxi? )
Dream on, not a chance.
Life moves forward not backwards.
25 May 2012 22:38:55
Too much negativity by Liverpool fans these days. Makes me sick to my stomach that people write managers and players off before they even step into the job. It disgusts me. I want our club to support ANYONE and EVERYONE who has anything to do with Liverpool football club. Stop bitching, stop complaining, take it how it is and support the team!
BthekingB
Dont want to support jovanovic though! ;) but get what you meen
25 May 2012 22:38:35
Ok here are my two cents (to coin a phrase especially for our US owners) I am unsure what I think to any manager or DOF until I have seen them inaction. If our owners decide that Martinez is the man for the job, then they pay the wages, I will reserve my judgement, but, I will give him the opportunity to prove his value to our club. IF Van Gaal is to e our DOF, surely he will be advising the management team and his name alone will attract the players we want. Our club for as long as I have been supporting our club, which was the 1977 final, I have noticed, during our successful years, most of our signings never set the world alight, ( Ray Houghton, Ian Rush, Ronnie Whelan ) Did these players come from Barcelona, Real Madrid or Milan/Juventus Etc, No they was all in lower league football, which is where LFC has always gotten its gems. I implore all true LFC fans to get behind the management, team and lets see how things pan out, even spending billions on new players needs time to gel and does not guarantee a team. Lets trust our owners that have put us in a lot better position than we was under the previous regime, and support their decisions until the time to tell them it is not working comes, negativity only breeds this poor attitude amongst the team.
Red4Ever
25 May 2012 22:37:30
I reguarly read this page but why do people feel the need to copy other people posts. Someone will come up with a name who they think will sign and everyone else then jumps on the bandwagon and for the next couple weeks we have to listen to the same people mentioned constantly. Half the names mentioned no-one has even seen them playing. Lets keep it realistic and original please. Funniest post today has to be please can we buy Yakubu lmao
25 May 2012 22:33:50
who had heard of Kevin Keegan before we signed him?(Jimmy Hill had rejected him as too small to make it), who'd heard of Ian Rush, Ronnie Whelan, Kenny Dalglish? Which fans would've picked Paisley or Kenny to manager at the times they took over (player manager of LFC, surely he was too young, too inexperienced....oh he won the double).
The best managers are the best managers because they have the best players. Let's judge the next manager of LFC based on his signings and the teams performances. That's how Houllier, Souness, Rafa, Hodgson and Dalglish have been judged, maybe, just maybe our next manager can bring something new, modern but in essence a throw back to the Liverpool way and the bootroom for this millenium.
We are accused of living in the past well if our next manager is to be Roberto Martinez then I for one am very ready to start living in the future.
He is 38, a very personable and likeable and articulate man who seems to genuinely understand the history of our club and our values.
Di Matteo has just delivered what nearly all the most respected managers in Europe have failed to do with Chelsea so for me the Martinez deserves a chance.
We crave the good times as we have been starved of the biggest prize for so long but the guy is hungry, believed to be a workaholic and has a footballing philosophy.
Roberto if you are to be Liverpool manager mate, do it your way and if you are successful all the doubters on this site and many others will be kissing your feet.
It's about winning, we are fickle fans because we are hurting but people we'll never know unless we try. We've tried everything else let's back young and ambitious.......I thought our moto was You'll Never Walk Alone? If Roberto Martinez read most of what's been written about him on this site he'd go grey overnight worrying about how he'll be treated by us.
We are Liverpool Football Club we have history, tradition, loyalty. We are renowned throughout the world for our knowledge of the game. If we can support a manager who bought Adam, Downing, Henderson just because he is a legend then we should be capable of supporting a bright young manager before he's even signed a single player or played a game.
To the doubters I say man up and welcome the futurethe past is the past, we will never forget it, we will often tell our children and grandchildren all about it and recall the legends. It's their time now, it's time for new legends.......maybe Martinez will be the man to write the next chapter in the legacy of Liverpool Football Club.
I hope so because I want my 6 year son to be as privileged as I've been to see Liverpool FC the best in the world in our lifetime.....(I deliberately say our because it can happen again).
ALB.
My sentiments exactly, couldn't have said it better.
steveH
25 May 2012 22:32:11
Bert van Marwijk and Joachim Low are under consideration but will have to wait til after euros. Personally I would prefer van Marwijk.
25 May 2012 22:28:26
hey eds, do you have any ideas on who will come. thanks {Ed002's Note - Philosophically a tough question - and as a non-believer perhaps not one I should be attempting to answer.}
25 May 2012 22:24:37
the negativity from fans is appalling. and not needed. we need stability with our fan base. and we do need it soon. to say Martinez is not up to the job or FSG are not fit to run this club is an accusation with no precedent. i'm not 100% for Martinez either. personally AVB would be mine. but the more i think about it the more i like Martinez's style. im not going to go into detail with it but lets be honest. he plays attractive football. has no money. he owner is an egotistical ass. and he completes his task every year. his task to keep Wigans premier league hopes alive. it doesn't matter how he does it. just that he does. if his task with a better team whether it was us united Chelsea city arsenal Newcastle or anyone it would be challenge for the title. he would have more money. and not stupid owners. he could actually do stuff. and implement his ideas. hes 38. hell he could be here for the next 37 years or so if he does well. i'm just saying give him a chance. a chance every Liverpool supporter would jump at. whether its his time or not we need to support the manager. and i for one will. we need someone to lead us into the new age. someone with newer tactics. so by all means let Martinez have his big break.
now to end with the negative part of my post.
to all of you """"""Supporters""""" who say if we make another bad decision you are ending ties with LFC. it should never come to that no matter how bad. and i hope you make fools out of yourself in the process.
rafaites his time has passed move on we know he isn't being considered its time we look at greener pastures.
FSG haters. yes we have Americans owning us. possibly the smartest owners in the world of sports (my opinion) they aren't losers, they know that behind the scenes counts just as much as on the field in today's game. so let them finish what they started. and if they do absolutely terrible by all means kick and scream
JLFC (Canada)
Hey I understand wot you saying friend but that's just it there is panic with the supporters at the moment couple ov reasons.. one we been here before with old owners you no how that turned out so if been cheated on twice shay they say it takes time to trust I'm not saying we shouldn't trust them ...two we have no leadership cumin out ov club telling all is well etc dc gone kk gone people are up in air football people saying owners don't understand football so yes there is a bit ov panic we should all try to calm it down and not make out it's all ok and wait for some leadership to come out ov the club keep faith. YNWA lfc linc
Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with him!
25 May 2012 22:24:16
Martinez will meet John Henry and Tom Werner in England early next week...
John Henry is expected to fly here over the weekend from Miami...
Not sure if he's the only candidate they are meeting,apparently they want to interview Rodgers and one other person...
Not sure who...
KKM...
Kloppo! jst dreaming
25 May 2012 22:23:33
dunno about you lads, but hearing about martinez im absolutly gutted seeing liverpool in such a mess, ill support them till the day i die as much as ill support any manager who takes over, but doesnt mean i agree with it, we're in a right state and it needs to be sorted out... getting martinez isnt gonna sort out anything
Ild say from those ive spoke to nail and head mate
I don't fully agree - Martinez is a risk, he could turn out to be a very capable manager at this level or it could be Hodgson all over again. Not sure... but he has managed Wigan well.
25 May 2012 22:20:16
Watching the Copa Del Rey final and admiring the brilliance that is Andres Iniesta.
Special player
Chris in Tamworth
Not a spot on darren bent nor defoe eh though chris lol
25 May 2012 22:19:25
I would expect a busy summer, I think we expect our nee manager to be in place for the start of the transfer window and probably some early targets. I believe Martinez is the man and as such would expect approaches for Victor Moses, James McCarthy, Diame and Al Habsi
Oh the excitement
Lol....do you really believe the manager and that groupe of average players will get us backinto top 4...if so, wake up!!!
......alongside Spearing, Henderson, Cole, Adam and Downing. Europe watch out!
ANFIELDPETE
No chance of top 4 next year irrespective of manager
Chances of signing the Wigan team slim when LVG is involved don't you think. And even if it was Roberto picking players he would know he doesn't have to shop at Aldi. He can treat himself at M&S on the FSG charge card.
25 May 2012 22:17:05
tom ince won blackpool player of the year therefore it is essential that we sign him
Did you know he used to play for us? We sold him to Blackpool, cause his dad (Paul) demanded he got paid more than he worth at that time and for his age.
Carb
25 May 2012 22:17:02
The majority of Liverpool fans are starting to piss me off (not directed towards us who use this site, just in general). It really annoys me how fans seem to be so prejudice towards Roberto Martinez.. How can you get on us back before he has even got the job? Give him a chance, if you can't back him, then we're never going to get anywhere. Roberto in my eyes isn't primarily the target i would've liked but that doesn't mean i wont back him 100%, he's young, a catalan and has bags of potential. Pep guardiola before barca was pretty much a no one, he was the B team coach, Klopp managed Mainz before dortmund.. Arsene Wenger was found by david dein in japan before he joined Arsenal! Give the bloke a chance, i believe Martinez can work wonders for Liverpool, he enforces attacking, passing football he can be a success in my eyes.
Scott.
25 May 2012 22:15:21
hi fellow red's. well looks to me like martinez has good as got the job so let's get used to it and stop all this moaning please me to be honest im on the fence about him becoming our manager so for one i hope he proves me wrong and thousands of fellow fans. but there is one point i would like to adress i hope and i hope martinez does not want to bring in his dead wood from wigan this would be a nightmare i mean come on guys they have only just stayed in the premiership 2 seasons on the trot. so here is fingers and toes crossed hoping this does not happen.
l.f.c red
25 May 2012 22:05:52
Martinez Wigan Record Won 34 draw 36 lost 57 WHY do liverpool want him.
He was at WIGAN, a club that has to regularly fight relegation - if he had won 60% of his games, he would be exceptional indeed because wigan would be pushing for champion's league.
Jolly Red
Swansea record Win % of 50%- For a newly promoted Championship side not bad.
Win percentage very much depends on the team and league you pay in you muppet
Fool. Look at Pardews record before he joined newcastle. Klopp went to Dortmund having relegated another team. A lot more goes into choosing a manager than his played win record. If he even had a 56% win percentage with a team like wigan then barcelona should be looking at him.
Look back at the table. how many points did wigan finish behind us? and how much more did kenny spend? so fed up of stupid comments
Whoever posted that Swansea has a win percentage of 50% in the league, is wrong.
Because in that case, they would have a minimum of 57 points and will definately be above us.
25 May 2012 22:03:53
Just imagine, if really FSG want to give the menager posiotion to Martinez and sell our best player (Suarez).They will get us 2 years back.Hope NO.
25 May 2012 22:02:28
I want Rafa to be 'El Jefe'. The big boss over everything, and I mean everything.
I would like Villas-Boas to be a pure coach. Nothing more, nothing less.
This WILL be the successful formula. {Ed002's Note - I have a friend called "El Jefe".}
25 May 2012 21:58:19
all this specualtion is killing me, but the hate is beyond stupidity! Martinez, if he becomes manager is likely to do aswell as anyone else if he gets the resources and backing he needs. If fans start abusing him im sure he will walk, and who could blame him.
Rafa this and rafa that! He's gone and time for a change, so lets give whoever comes in a fair shot. All this talk of world beating managers does not calculate instant success hardly any of the time! And lets not forget managers who many of you would curse do not even want the job in the first place, so lets stop thinking we are the best team in the world and work our way back up, with some FAITH, COMMITMENT to the cause and LOYALTY!
gareth
25 may 2012 21:55:33
to all you fairweather, part-time, so called liverpool supporters, shut the hell up and back the new manager, whoever he is. "we... are liverpool football club for christs sake" not chelski, not man sh*tty, not man'ure... lets show faith in fsg, these people saved our glorious club. let's never forget, it was a local bloke, moores, that sold our club to a couple of charlatans for a quick shilling, it took a couple of real american sports buisnessmen to pull this club back from the cliff precipice. we should all be eternally grateful. rant over...
stevie, red for life.
Eternally??!! Also they aint in it for fun-make bucks mate
Oh, so you would rather our club had went into administration and sank without a trace? ...you complete clown.... and yes, eternally grateful to fsg, thank you for saving our club.
stevie, red for life.
25 May 2012 21:55:14
Do you want the Headmaster - Rafa.
Or the school prefect Martinez?
Up to you.
When the school prefect has grown up and got some more experience or won something. Well OK.
I think it is better the Headmaster stays in charge of Hogwarts.
Is FSG the 'Dark Side' ?
I love how your metaphor went from school, to Harry Potter to Star Wars in one fell swoop.
Jolly Red
What the hell are you talking about
Is it mushroom season already?
25 May 2012 21:54:24
Rafa, come home!!!!!
25 May 2012 21:47:47
Eds Moose from talksport is saying 80% were getting Klopp on Monday not Martinez do you know if there is anything in this? {Ed002's Note - I don't. Sorry.}
Even his collegues on talksport opening mock him for getting things wrong.
redphil
25 May 2012 21:44:27
Captain Stevie commenting on Martinez in his interview pre-friendly. I guess you have to think that Martinez is our guy. Personally I am with Stevie, we should support him wholeheartedly. Atleast give the man a chance! Wigan play beautiful football, with a bunch of low cash players. Imagine what he can do with our 200 million pound squad! I hope he takes Moses and McCarthy with him. Oh yeah, and hope he signs Kagawa too.
Wigan don't have any good players
The only one I would take would be McCarthy not moses as he looks good in a poor team and has no end product plus plays with his head down
25 May 2012 21:43:55
lads, just want to give my view on our striking situation. i think we shud not look at a player who will cost big money as andy can be a hit still. in that case it would be better to get a good finisher who can play as partner for both andy and luis and also come off the bench to good effect. while i doubted jelavic at the time he would have been a good signing and is the type/cost of player i mean. there is another player in spl i have watched a fair bit and think he can do the job. gary hooper. young and great scoing record and natural finisher. wat do u guys think?
I agree on Gary Hooper; some people don't like his style of football but he's a fox in the box. He might not play in the premier league but either did King Kenny and he proved to be a legend from Celtic
25 May 2012 21:42:06
Genuine info, not going to claim to be 'ITK' and I'm not saying it necessarily means anything however at the moment Diame's house is not for sale, which may suggest he is planning on staying at a club relatively local to Warrington. Things of course could change and there could be other reasons, but just giving you the small amount of information I can offer, living in an area surrounded by Wigan & former Wigan players.
CHickey.
Players nowadays often commute, and/or have second homes, I believe.
That is amazing news
No need for sarcasm and I know which is why I said it may not suggest anything but I simply post the little bit of information I have from seeing/speaking to the odd Wigan/former Wigan players. I post this for anyone interested so no need for sarcastic comments, you're probably one of these fans constantly whining.
CHickey.
25 May 2012 21:39:18
I am not getting too worked up over the manager saga, seeing how we the fans have no control over it. The manager will be who the owners sign. It is what it is. I really don't see how insulting the owners or the new manager will bring success to our club. Do people here think that if we complain enough a billionaire sheik will want to come in and make us a new Man City?
I would like to focus on our current squad. Any news on Lucas (our Lucas....). Is he back in training? Likely back for preseason? Having him back will be like signing a new star. Don't forget how young he is either. He won't peak for another 2 - 3 years, and by then all the top clubs will want him.
Coop
25 May 2012 21:38:29
From what I have read, the fans(Liverpool's lifeblood).
Would accept AVB or Rafa. I sense they are unsure about Van Gaal and do not want Martinez.
FSG, you will have to deal with this. Because whether you like it or not. Liverpool fans are your source of finance. You might want to sit down with Steven Gerrard. He will tell you what you need.
If this all goes against your management model. Well tough luck. If you don't like it you should have never bought Liverpool. Stevie is the boss. You had better get used to it.
This is not America.
When the fans borrow £300million, then they can buy the club to decide who is the manager. After that, decide where money for transfers come from. As for giving Stevie the right to pick and choose.. it's absoltue and total brain dead muppets like you who make this forum laughable at times. Turn of the xbox and join the real world sometime.
What a ridiculous post. I swear some people post crazy stuff just to see what kind of reaction they get.
Stevie is not the boss. LFC is bigger than one man we are a club, A TEAM and although us fans would like to think we know better, we have to give the owners chance to prove themselves.
We asked for Kenny back, we got it, it didn't work out, now its the owners chance! Lets at least give them that.
Dont worry, be happy!
SA
The same Stevie who felt it was time for a change with Rafa and campaigned for Hodgson. That Stevie?
Stevie is the boss?? Are we suddenly Chelsea?? Wise up!! No player should have control!
He maybe wrong about Gerrard but he's right about us fans being the lifeblood.
Ozone
Stevie was right about RAFA who was into the sixth year of his five year plan
25 May 2012 21:38:12
Roberto Martinez... the good, the bad, and the brilliantly likeable.
It seems he is going to be our manager so I thought I'd do one of my long posts to try and objectively review his impending appointment.
The Good
-----------
First the stats.
at swansea he had a much more than respectable 50% win ratio. was named manager of the month on 3 occasions and named manager of the year once. He also won a league title.
His playing style is very pleasing on the eye (if a little cavalier at times) and is pretty reminiscent of the Roy Evans era (our best in premier league in terms of style). For years, even when successful under rafa, we were crying out for some verve and swagger on the pitch. At both Swansea and wigan Martinez has provided the verve and with a team like liverpool will hopefully bring the swagger too. His time battling relegation at wigan will have taught him two things:
1. How to deal with adversity
2. How to get results against lesser opposition.
The second point is especially relevant to us as we have struggled against lesser opposition for as long as I can remember.
The Bad
--------------
First the stats
26% win ratio as a premiership manager
suffered club record defeats of 9-1 and 8-0 (the 9-1 being the first time since 1995 that a team had conceded 9)
His league finishes as a premiership manager have never been above 15th and he has finished with a negative goal difference every year.
We all would expect that most of this improves with a better selection of players at his disposal but his premiership win ratio is particularly alarming. His negative goal difference and record defeats suggest that while its nice football to watch, it leaks goals like my grandad leaks urine. Also managing a team with a bottom table mentality for the last few years may have instilled some of the small team mentality that we so often saw from Woy. It's one thing to get unexpected results its another to produce expected results consistently.
The Brilliantly Likeable
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Surely there is not a single member of the media or a single other manager or player will try to bully such a wonderfully affable manager like Martinez? This season and the last season under rafa saw some targeted psychology from Fergie and some corners of the media. I'm 100% confident that the negative public image we garnered last season would be immediately expunged with the appointment of Martinez (part of the reason for his appointment in my opinion).
Fans have been negative this year, with good cause. We all started optimistic under Kenny but he simply could not motivate our modern team. Perhaps whats needed is someone more in touch with modern management and with less affection for the club. Football is a business whether we like it or not, and in business you succeed by making the right decision, which is often not the popular one. Martinez's judgement will not be clouded by affection for the club, and can only think that is a very good thing right now.
Don't look too harshly on his results at wigan, lets face it there is not a manager in existence who would do any better with that team. Lets get behind him and support him because we as a group of supporters have been poor both on these fourms and at the stadium. Lets step into our shoes as the 12th man... again.
Thanks for reading, comments always welcome and appreciated.
Nevada
Good post mate. It does look like he will be our man. I just hope he doesn't stick to the 'small club' mentality like Roy did. It's very important that he realises he needs to raise his vision and set higher standards.
AG
Good post.
TIZER RED
Excellent post Nevada.
Good post Nevada. Im on the fence at the moment regarding Martinez. On one hand you can't ignore that he would bring a good brand of football with him but on the other has he got the character to control the dressing room and that's my overriding concern.
Great point regarding the media.
Ozone
Finally a good post about Martinez. I think he would (if selected) be a great manager. No he won't attract the 'big names', but nobody can at this point. We won't attract big names until we start playing like champions, or offer ridiculous money.
Nevada mate are you new coz fergie can make anyone villain or hero it won't take time for him making marttinez villain in press
He won't have Roy's problem as Swansea showed that in league one plus his style suits a top team
The major problem is no players will think oh I want to go and work for Roberto Martinez
Also I actually don't think he has been given the managers job just yet because their is another three candidates one of which may be kloop if you believe the rumours
25 May 2012 21:30:19
Good luk fabio. YNWA
25 May 2012 21:25:09
Does anyone Think fsg want martinez to be manager as he would be more than happy with the squad he would inherit and only need a small transfer pot where as a European more "high profile" as some would say manager would want a larger transfer pot not to mention higher wages don't get me wrong I think martinez is a good manager and a good option just a thought.
Mickleburg
Maybe more to with being younger has prem experience and speaks spanish..
They want to get into the champions league as soon as they can. I expect a lot of investment for two reasons - proving that they back the manager and to get into the CL.
BthekingB
BthekingB
Mickleburg your bang on,its a lowering of our expectations
25 May 2012 21:24:30
####Source Dave Whelan####
Hi all, you probably all know already ....well according to Dave Whelan who was down the fish mongers gossiping Martinez was offered the job as manager.
Martinez will give his answer Tuesday at a 2nd meeting. Sticking point is "total control"
3mill comp for Wigan. Whelan wants an answer wed or thurs so he can get a new manager in asap..so expect to hear Tuesday earliest - Thursday latest if Martinez will join.
I hope we get Van Gaal as Sporting Director he could really bring on our youth network to the next level. YNWA.
25 May 2012 21:16:42
i no martinez has been offered the job but do you think he will accept as what wer hearing from sky sports he wants the same deal as what rafa wants! total controll an thats why they dont want rafa! im starting to get worried as its obvious a major overhaul is needed at the club and from whats being told theres only bout 20 million to spend for whoever gets the gaffers job! please could you reasure me that we are not looking at the likes of dempsey hes not much better than spearing or shelvey!
Don't listen to sky sports , they know mothing. don't you find it odd that nothing has come from lfc, just whelan saying he thinks martinez has been offered it, i don't think he has and until someone from lfc announces it i will not believe it
O, and how many times, THERE IS NOT SET BUDGET !!
25 May 2012 21:08:33
FSG - you don't want Rafa? Well quite frankly, we don't want you !
Gutless poster who won't leave his name, please don't say we, I do not want Rafa and I am quite happy with FSG, so speak for yourself muppet
G BOX
A bit rash?
G BOX shut up. I'll leave my name. I am McFearless. The vast majority of us want Rafa back actually. You're the muppet.
You are a pathetic disgrace, Mr Anonymous. . You don't want FSG? Who DO you want? Bill Kenright?
FSG have bent over backwards to do the right things since they rescued, (and I mean rescued) us from Hicks and Co, even letting the fans appoint the manager (which turned out to be a very bad call by the fans), they have put a great deal of money into the club, and they are now working their backsides off to try and find the right manager in a day and age when we can lo longer hand pick whoever we fancy. They are doing their job, why don't you, and the rest of the so-called 'fans' with your embarrassing and ungrateful little on-line petitions to try and chose your own manager do YOUR job - get behind the team, the club, and whoever is chosen as our manager by the owners. And when I say 'owners' I mean the people who 'own' the club, because they bought it, and I believe they care about it, quite possibly more than you do. And don't bother posting any sentimental crap about 'custodians.' It doesn't work like that. -SH-
I hate people who incorrectly claim to speak on my behalf. "We" means Liverpool supporters. I am a Liverpool supporter and I completely disagree with you. So sign your post and say "I" not "we".
Red Steve
You dont want FSG? You obviously dont realise just how hard they are working to return our club to its previous glory.
Ignoring the 300m which they used to buy the club and clear our debt, and then the further 100m which they made accessible for transfers. You do realise that LFC operates at a loss currently dont you? Which means that currently FSG are putting even more money into the club to cover operating costs.
Your post screams of ignorance and in truth a little bit of anti-americanism. I suggest you think before you post next time because so far nobody has agreed with you. Rafa gave us some good times but he had his shot at the title and missed, time for fresh tactics.
Nevada
So Mcnobend, so you don't want FSG to own the club. If they did't come in do you want to know where we would be. Championship, skint and wishing we could tempt Matinez. Absolute XXX jockey
Actually im quite happy with fsg anon we dont want you! see what i did there CRAIG
25 May 2012 21:05:22
I can't believe this is the level we have sunk to! Fans now saying 'we bla bla bla was manager at a second division team'. You're clutching at straws! It isn't going to work.
Why can't Rafa just come back. Please FSG. Your strategy of a Director of Football is pants. This is not baseball.
Rafa can't come back for quite obvious reasons that have been pointed out upon numerous occasions.
"You're clutching at straws! It isn't going to work.
Why can't Rafa just come back."
Oh the irony.
Wassa
You my friend are blinkered.Why don't you wait and see the big picture.He has been successful with Wigan,they will always struggle to stay in the premiership.and I am pretty sure that Rafa would struggle to keep them up.Martinez has proven his worth in the Prem and deserves an opportunity to show if he can be more successful with a more affluent club.
FSG made a big mistake in sacking Kenny. He should have been given another year and nobody would have argued if he'd been sacked next Christmas if it wasn't working out. He should have been given that time. They are now going to make another by not appointing Rafa.
He is the best available, has a great track record of success (for those who knock him, wouldn't we just love Champions League Finals and Semi's), loves Liverpool, would hit the ground running and wouldn't cost compensation,
I never thought we'd see the day when we had a Director of Football at Anfield. Imagine Shanks having players foisted on him. Don't say it won't happen - it already has (Parry and Robbie Keane).
redmersey
Yeah I don't want to risk my club just because Martinez 'deserves' it. Let's be honest, Roy did better with his other clubs than this guy so can you imagine what Martinez is going to be like. *shudder*
I don't know where you get your information from but I don't think their baseball team has a director of football
Director of Football is not a position commonly used in baseball. (although it is used in most successful clubs in Europe).
Err "this is not baseball" ?
Since when does a Director of Football work foe baseball teams?
Get a grip, Rafas style of play dull to mediocre at best, sorry his day is done, move on people
25 May 2012 21:02:33
Evening Eds and LFC FAMILY,
Note the word family, because that is what us fans should be like.
Our owners are FSG, who saved us from bankruptcy and 10 points deduction.
We need a manager.
We need wingers, following manager!
We need our club to be great again and Anfield to become the fortress of old.
We need supporters of this great club.
What we don't need is a bunch of whining, bleating, moaning, negative, fake and heinous people who ridiculously claim to be Liverpool Football Club supporters.
Try something new today, support the new manager regardless and get a bloody grip for the love of god!
Can't wait to see who our new manager actually is by the way.
I hope this gets posted as I believe it's a fair point. Thanks Eds, don't envy your work.
Bazzaa
Your right we are a family .but go to you home family would you let some one in if they have a poor reputation .most lfc fans are fair but we are very intelligent when it comes to football.were only looking out for our club ,but we know we can't change what will be decided but lets hope we might get heard .cheers
It's a shame we can't cash in on our idiotic fans, we would make city look like beggers
G BOX
I see a Man U supporter has read my post as someone disagrees, if it's a Liverpool fan well, wired to be polite about it.
Bazzaa
Can not agree more. I love this website but am close to just not coming on here anymore because it embarrassing
redphil
25 May 2012 21:00:24
This Martinez issue is becoming far too contentious. It is divisive. It would be better if Martinez stayed at Wigan or went to Villa.
His appointment would cause a lot of problems with the fans. This is not good. Sorry.
25 May 2012 20:54:31
Montse Benitez (Rafa's wife): "Sorry to say but #LFC has not been in touch with Rafa at all. I'm afraid they have a different idea."
25 may 2012 20:49:35
for all the bitching, fairweather, part-time, so called supporters. "shut the h**k up and back the manager, whoever it is" end of!
stevie, red for life...
And who are you or G box to tell anyone else what to do?You over estimate your own importance la
25 May 2012 20:49:14
The media across Europe has all but crowned Martinez. Only 4 candidatures remain mentioned in serious terms RED LENIN
STILL POSSIBLE
Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup, Dutch Squad**.
RULED OUT
Kean, Klopp, Guardiola, Mourinho, Lambert, Redknapp, O'Neill, de Boer, Deschamps, Rijkard, Allegri, van Gaal, Villas-Boas, Capello, Pardew, Benitez, Ancellotti, Nicol, Bielsa, Klinsman.
(** Dutch squad - refers to a persistant report in the Dutch media that Liverpool's new manager will be one of the 4 management team in charge of the Dutch Squad, and it won't be announced until after the euros)
Sorry Red still don't understand the point of your post especially as your "ruled out" list is just a list of names some of whom have never been connected with the job
If you took the time to read all the newspaper websites across europe you would find that each and every one of those has been mentioned. Sadly, it seems that you are totally unable to look at any media other than SkySports and the Daily Mirror. I pity your family. RED LENIN
Kean really
Kean, O'Neill and Pardew have not been linked with the job.
If someone writes their name when reporting which managers may be available that is not the same as being in contention for the job.
Red it's worrying how often you get the basics do wrong
Chris in Tamworth
25 May 2012 20:46:01
Has Macca or any of the eds heard of a development on the managerial position. {Ed002's Note - I think the developments have been pretty well publicised already.}
25 May 2012 20:45:16
Anyone watching the Uraguay/Russia match? Juventus coach Conte is there, He could be there to speak to Suarez
Yeah the camera just showed him in the crowd, Thats Alegro Alessio sitting beside him, He's the assistant coach at Juve, Suarez just scored.
Looks like Luis Suarez is doing all he can to rile the owners again by brining the subject up again. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/05/25/3127143/liverpool-striker-suarez-reopens-racism-row-after-criticising-fa-
25 May 2012 20:45:14
i have a question for all fellow Lfc fans. In the past 20 years or so Liverpool have had some very good players in the Evans, Houlier, rafa and kennys teams. But there has been a big problem with all those sides the problem being they raise their game against the big teams and have always struggled against the lesser teams. My point is that those LFC sides in the past 20 years have always had an attitude problem reguarding the smaller teams I might be wrong in this but if martinez gets the job he might drum it in the players not to have that attitude. Therefore if we beat those lesser sides we could be in the top 4 every season. I may be wide of the mark but what do think?.
Andy kophead.
Season 2009 two defeats in the total in the league
Season 2009 no trophy
But our owners don't want trophys they want chmpions league football
Season 2009 - most points scored ever for LFC.
Season 2009 - highest goals for out of all teams.
Season 2009 - either best or 2nd best defence.
FFS bring back RAFA!!!
25 May 2012 20:40:41
Yep just seen pep at melwood and
The uncles aunt of my second cousins boyfriends taxi driver said messi on his way to meet him there
This while their both at the copa del ray final. Haha
Messi his playing in a cup final right now Nugget
My god dont you people get the joke?CRAIG
25 May 2012 20:40:16
I wish Dave whelan would shut up. That is all.
D Steve
Ynwa
25 May 2012 20:38:38
Brendan Rodgers getting interviewed over the weekend..
Guaranteed.
Lee trundles bag carrier.
25 May 2012 20:36:51
Cappello and carragher wouldnt work at all capello wont understand what carra is saying!
Who does?
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
25 May 2012 20:34:42
Ok time for some sanity , I read this page every day and the amount of muppetts "in the know" is incredible . Right i am actually close to someone that is certainly in the know and here is what's happening. Martinez has not been offered anything ! Yes he will be speaking with fsg again on tuesday AFTER they have spoken to everyone else they are interested in , klopp is number 1target and dialogue has occurred. And if rogers is interested then he will get the job before Martinez does .
So where's the sanity you promised then?
Bwian
Man I hope you are right. Love the way Dortmund play.
25 May 2012 20:33:33
Whoever is our manager we all know we will support them. we are liverpool. You'll Never Walk Alone!!!!!! we must stand by this!!
25 May 2012 20:25:39
Our Fowler, who art No. 7
LFC be thy name, football be thy game
The goals will come, the premier league won
To send us all into seventh heaven
Give us this day a sea of red
And give us our wins
As we try forgive those who score against us
Save us from the full time whistle
And deliver us a trophy.
Whoever is the next manager will have my utmost support! YNWA
NextGenRed
25 May 2012 20:24:38
If it is Roberto martinez as manager, then good luck to him. Whoever it is needs our support. We as liverpool supporters tend to pride ourselves on being different. We get behind the team when we're not playing well, we dont boo at the end of games( well, we never used to) and we used to applaud opposing players. Over the last few years our team has taken a battering in the board room, in the press and at times on the field, and for a short time kenny dalglish and FSG got us back in the good books so to speak, but since after xmas its all gone wrong. Again, if it is Roberto Martinez, then he did well with swansea, where i can remember his team in the FA cup one season giving their premier opponents a close run and everyone remarking on their brilliant passing style. he has done ok at wigan on a budget but obviously the pressure is going to be immense at a bigger club so it will take a couple of years to turn things round maybe. we've had relegation form now for the last 3 years and we need to pull together. New manager, new DOF, new kit, hopefully new players. Lets get excited and look forwars
DAR
25 May 2012 20:22:19
'Soul Man'
Dave the butcher how can you call somebody who doesnt agree with you a united fan .and to call rafa the waiter is a dissgrace you might not want him as the manager but to dissrespect the man you should go and support somebody else.
soul man
In response to this, I never wrote anything off the sort, in fact if you check my posts I have said many times that telling someone to support city/united whatever is ridiculous.
I was merely pointing out my opinion on the matter. Please check more carefully when throwing accusations around.
A simple apology wil be fine.
davethebutcher
Alright ladies put your handbags away.
25 May 2012 20:11:54
Dortmund hired a manager from the second division, who had gotten his previous club relegated!
Now that's my kind of club. Who dares wins. I hope Dortmund dominate Europe.
Meanwhile, our club is stuck with a bunch of whiny, Kenny-and-Rafa-obsessed fans who are just itching to turn on the owners and the new manager.
Embarrassing.
Benitez got a team relegated too if i remember
There about 2 sell their best player to United, Kagawa is unbelievable
Yes i think Klopp's decision may turn on whether they sell players like Kagawa.
But german league is weaker compare to epl here in epl we have got 5/6 teams who are big and pressure is high compare to 2 big teams in german and british media is there to add more pressure for manager compare to german
25 May 2012 20:04:27
The majority of Liverpool fans are starting to piss me off (not directed towards us who use this site, just in general). It really annoys me how fans seem to be so prejudice towards Roberto Martinez.. How can you get on us back before he has even got the job? Give him a chance, if you can't back him, then we're never going to get anywhere. Roberto in my eyes isn't primarily the target i would've liked but that doesn't mean i wont back him 100%, he's young, a catalan and has bags of potential. Pep guardiola before barca was pretty much a no one, he was the B team coach, Klopp managed Mainz before dortmund.. Arsene Wenger was found by david dein in japan before he joined Arsenal! Give the bloke a chance, i believe Martinez can work wonders for Liverpool, he enforces attacking, passing football he can be a success in my eyes.
Scott.
Hi and lets not forget shankley he came from huddersfield and he didnt do such a bad job.
Well said
I totally agree with you Scott.Just keeping Wigan in the premiership is a sign of a top manager.He has done wonders with little resources,and though he wouldn't be my first choice I think he will prove to be a success, as long as we get behind him.I don't think many managers would want the job with a season to prove themselves clause.If Martinez decides to accept the job he should have every fans support.
Micheal Mouse
I can understand how martinez has impressed the owners he is very articulate and has a good presence in front of the media , he comes across has a nice man (good thing if you want to win the premiership personality award) but , lfc have a lot to lose we should not be taking chances as we did that with previous managers . we the fans are insignificant in the owners eyes they know better than us ? but thats the price we have to pay.
when i started going the game in 1960 things where different and even when man u won the european cup the first time i wanted them to win , and i am a big lfc fan , some seasons i have been to every game home and away, but to days football is not the same , i used to go to goodison just to see our half time results on the abc wall and also to watch good players as they were not on tv as they are now .and i nearly made it to the big time my self, moral football has change and sadly so must we the fans we have to accept the owners decisions and go and support or like a lot of my mates , who are reds give up your season tickets as we are not the same club any more , i won,t but i am sad at what is happening to the club who have been such a major part of my life ince 1960.ynwa red mick tag
25 May 2012 20:02:22
on Pep Guardiola's recent intervju he said that he is open to manage a new club. but he wanted a month off. and he also said that he allways wanted to manage a premier league club.
Is there any possebility for him to be our new manager?
Personally I dond't really think so. but hey, anything can happen in football right?
I thought he said 'months' rather than 'a month'?
Kieran
25 May 2012 20:10:34
Eds,
Is something up with website? Banter page doesn't look too healthy or is it my computer?
Dirks Engine Room {Ed002's Note - It should have been fixed if you refresh your screen.}
{Ed002's Note - It was the vibrating fish syndrome issue again.}
Point taken.
Dirks Engine Room
25 May 2012 20:01:49
Moose talksport on twitter seems to think that there is an 80% chance that klopp will be the manager
I know that people don't trust twitter, but I have real hope in the klopp rumours ATM
Bean
25 May 2012 19:58:11
Hi all, apologies this is more of a rant than a rumour but I still think its appropriate.
A history lesson for Liverpool fans annoyed at the possible appointment of Martinez.
Managerial experience when they took the Liverpool managers job:
Bill Shankly - Carlisle, Grismby, Workington, Huddersfield
Bob Paisley - none
Joe Fagan - Nelson
Kenny Dalglish - none (1st time)
Roy Evans - none
Bottom line. Get over it and if it is him, give the man a chance.
Wassa
Its only a minority who don't want martinez but they are just the most vocal. it is often the idiots of the world who are heard louder. i think he will be a good signing as manager but he will need time. he has won stuff (league 1) with swansea which shows that he is capable of getting his teams to compete. his teams play football the right way and he arguably set the foundation for swanseas attractive style of play. he plays 3 at the back at times which shows his mentallity on football. he kept one of the smaller clubs in the prem whilst building a new young squad that will push its way up the table in the future. i hope he signs sooner rather than later so he will get some time in the transfer market.
derryred
To those that don't please feel free to seek glory elsewhere.
You forgot one Roy Hodgson, Internazionale, Blackburn Rovers, Grasshoppers, FC Copenhagen, Udinese, Fulham and Swiss national team. Says it all
Original poster-have a little think-Shanks was a looooooonnnnnnnngggggg time ago
25 May 2012 19:46:58
Every great manager has to start somewhere. Look at Shankly's record before he took over - he'd never managed a so called "top club" ( and I'm not comparing Martinez to Shanks, just saying he deserves a chance ) If he gets the job, which I hope he does, lets get behind him and SUPPORT our great club instead of slating it! YNWA
If Martinez gets the job we simply have to respect him for that and look forward to seeing him progress , I reckon .
1977
Yes but you do understand football has changed coz before you could get unlimited time to build football club like shankly and ferguson got 6/7 years in modern football you are judge on results rather then ability coz a lot of money is involved and if martinez doesn't start well I can see Anfield crowds turning on him
Directly poster above about time-Exactly! At last
25 May 2012 19:42:54
Luis Suarez has scored his 27th international goal for Uruguay - and his fifth goal in eight international matches - in a friendly against Russia.
25 May 2012 19:40:39
Ed 2 I think we have got our wires crossed I know they have not done this to annoy fans. But you get some that are giving FSG far too much grief they saved our football club. I will be over the moon if they appoint Martinez.
Mighty reds. {Ed002's Note - Good for you because they will need the support of the fans - whoever gets the job. The worry is that the fans could easily make the job much harder than it needs to be.}
Nicely put ed!
77to2005
What happened to all the "I don't have the answers, but no-one's immune to criticism" merchants on here now then ?
The Real KB
Martinez hasn't done anything to be criticized for yet, now has he? I'm sure if he gets appointed manager and makes 'mistakes' in either the transfer market, substitutions, formations, etc. he'll get his share, but at the moment how can you criticize him for a job he doesn't even have?
RDL
Come on ed2 liverpool deserves better then martinez you know yourself be honest {Ed002's Note - I would not have expected Martinez, but regardless of that the guy deserves the support of the fans rather than being trashed before he has even taken the job. Will he turn up at the first game of the season with flags demanding his removal? Would that help the team?}
Thanks ed2 for replying you said you weren't expecting martinez as we deserve more but regardless what we fans think he will have our support but if he starts losing games then I can see anfield crowd turning on him and attendance dropping masively same as when royhodgson was our manager
Kop {Ed002's Note - I think, at least to start, it is crical to give support to the side and the management. Hell, we can burn them at the stake after Christmas.}
25 May 2012 19:41:36
On this day 25th of may 2005 in instanbul a miracle happened.
LFc created history and gave smile on face of every RED.
This is my appriciation to worlds best fans who sang YNWA even after 3 nil down after half time and to those players playing in LFC red who became legends and played above their ability.
Ups and downs are part of life and I was proud to be part of that night as red fan and I will be there through difficult times.
Red indian
Ps-thanks to rafa also for good memories I love him but its time to move forward.he will forever be part of LFC.
25 May 2012 19:41:32
Everyone calm down.
Let us just wait and see who is appointed
manager and sporting director.
FSG are taking their time and rightly so.
This is a very important decision.
We must look towards the future!
LFC Fan & Standard Chartered Shareholder
The price they are you must have at least1
25 May 2012 19:39:30
To all the fans that are against FSG. I don't think they have got where they are today bu being sentimental, they are ruthless business men and have proven that with Kenny. We all remember Mike Ashley at Newcastle when he look over and look at them now. I am personally right behind the probable appointment of Martinez, he's kept an average championship squad in the prem for three years and by playing good football - just as any Wigan fan. Imagine what he could do with a set of good players! We all want the best for the club but with all this negativity he will be doomed to fail, so let's get behind the man and show what great supporters we are.
That is all.
25 May 2012 19:38:38
Agreed Macca, lets give them a chance. We seem to be wanting to much to fast. I truly feel LFC is moving in the right direction. Small steps in the right direction is clearly the right way, we cant buy success so we have to build for it. That takes time. Have some patience and keep supporting the club we all love.
YNWA
25 May 2012 19:37:51
I have from a strong source, victor Moses will be martines first signing with downing getting shipped out for 10 mill!!
25 May 2012 19:35:26
Roberto Martinez will be announced as the new manager of Liverpool FC. He has already discussed his transfer targets with Van Gaal who is expected to announced as SD sometimes this week. the shortlist of target players include the following:
- Matt Philips
- Victor Moses
- James McCarthy
- Ryad Boudebouz
- Willian
- Momo Diame or Etienne Capoue
- Welliton
- Gregory van der Wiel
Good times ahead. Hopefully.
Samer from Jordan
What bout nathan redmond?
achilles.
25 May 2012 19:37:18
Ok, so everyone keeps sayin 'I/we dont want Martinez' 'all he's good for is a relegation battle' and so on and so forth.
Most people keep sayin 'Dont want AVB, he was manager of Porto before Chelsea' 'Portugese league isnt as competitive as PL'
2 points i'd like to make...
1st - who managed Porto before Villas Boas? Mourinho, what did Mourinho achieve with Chelsea? Oh, i dont know, how about the Premier League in his first and second year? He also claimed to be 'The Special One' before he had even done anythin.
2nd - am i right in thinkin that Villas Boas has a better win ratio with Chelsea than Di Matteo?
What im tryin to say here is that you jus never know what is goin to happen in football, we didnt know Mourinho was goin to be that good a manager for Chelsea when he was hired, i'll be honest, i never even heard of him before he became Chelsea manager, but for all we know Martinez might jus be the diamond in the rough after all. Yes he is constantly in a relegation battle, but Wigan will always be in relegation battle, with Martinez as manager or with anyone else as manager. Give the man a chance, he's proved he is capable of managin in the PL, he's proved he has a winnin mentality, dont believe me? Didnt he beat Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd in the last few games of the season? He's proved he has good tactics and good attacking football. Ok he's not a big name, but was Shankley when he came from Huddersfield? Was Rush? Was Daglish? Was Barnes? Was Beardsley? Was Alex Ferguson? Was Arsene Wenger? This is football, this happens in football and its why we love it.
Im sick and tired of hearin 'In Rafa we trust' 'bring back Torres, Alonso, Mascherano' Yes, we have a great history, but its ancient History, its not enough to attract the great players/managers as people seem to think it is, its about time we started makin modern history and started moving the club forward, we are living in the past, the past doesnt win trophies. We all take the mick out of Chelsea for wantin to move away from a stadium where they've only created 8 years of history, but at least they have modern history, what do we currently have? Not much in recent history. Seriously, give Martinez a chance if he gets the job, he's young, he's hungry, he wants to prove himself with a bigger club. We need to keep up with other clubs and its never goin to happen if we keep lookin back to the past and not lookin forward to the future.
Carb
He had his team doing the business in the final few games of the season which for me shows a good sign in a manager. he is clearly a good man motavator. he plays, in my eye, the right tactics. you just need to see what his man management and transfer dealings will be like. i think that he will be a big manager in the future whether that is at anfield or elsewhere. i just hope the owners give him the time he needs if he is appointed.
derryred
Villas-Boas had a win ratio of 47.5% with Chelsea. Di Matteo had a win ratio of 61.9% with exactly the same players.
Don't know where the above stat came from but the original poster was right to a degree.
villa boas averaged 1.7 points per game at chelsea in 26 league matches.
di matteo averaged 1.5 points per game in 12 league matches and finished one place lower in the league than when he took over...
25 May 2012 19:33:49
It will get worse before it gets better.
ACHILLES.
25 May 2012 19:28:18
Does the heat make people pissy or what?
Gazman
25 May 2012 19:20:50
We do not know who the new manager will be. Not interested in newspaper stories or Dave Whelan's daily snippets. But I DO know that I will support the new manager !
Also a few supporters say if we do not have a big name manager we will not attract big name players...But what if we have a big name DOF?
Puzzled
You are always Puzzled?
Is it getting any better?
JL
25 May 2012 19:19:04
Some of the views being expressed on here at the moment are quite frankly, depressing. Why can't some of the so called true fans appreciate that the most successful Liverpool managers never had rediculous cv's with league titles right left and centre. They built something. What Martinez has achieved at Wigan is nothing short of a miracle. They are, financially, a championship team that more often than not sells it's best players. Swansea in their current state were largely built by Martinez and I consider that to be more of a success than coming 3rd or 4th in the league by p*****g Millions on transfer fees and wages. We can't afford to take the ingenious business model of just blowing everybody else out the water financially in order to win things. Come on. We all love Dalglish, and I'm sure he probably would of achieved a far higher position in the league next season had he stayed, but the owners are thinking of the future and I'll always support LFC. I would love to see what Martinez could do with our squad compared to his inferior resources at Wigan. If it doesn't work out then fine, but how many times do you have to try the same approach, and it failing, before trying something else. And to give a manager the job purely because you think former players will flock to play for him is just dim. Please don't threaten to do this or that-or else, because there are plenty of supporters who would gladly buy tickets to the game if you don't want them. Oh yeah, and I doubt Newcastle's recent acquisitions went there for the prestige of playing for Alan Pardew ( no disrespect because he's done brilliantly). Please just give whoever it is a chance.
Red or dead
25 May 2012 19:11:28
The majority of Liverpool fans are starting to piss me off (not directed towards us who use this site, just in general). It really annoys me how fans seem to be so prejudice towards Roberto Martinez.. How can you get on us back before he has even got the job? Give him a chance, if you can't back him, then we're never going to get anywhere. Roberto in my eyes isn't primarily the target i would've liked but that doesn't mean i wont back him 100%, he's young, a catalan and has bags of potential. Pep guardiola before barca was pretty much a no one, he was the B team coach, Klopp managed Mainz before dortmund.. Arsene Wenger was found by david dein in japan before he joined Arsenal! Give the bloke a chance, i believe Martinez can work wonders for Liverpool, he enforces attacking, passing football he can be a success in my eyes.
Scott.
25 May 2012 19:09:27
rumour has it that klopp is the new ken agüero! a deus ex machina everyone wants though its never gonna happen!
leni
ps. can somebody name kennys win percentage for the last season?
47.3% - 34 wins in 75 games.
Red Steve
That 47.3% is the total from Jan last year. For last season, Liverpool played 51 games and won 25 so that would be as close to 50% as possible with those numbers. His loss percentage over the whole time was 30% while his draw pecentage for last season was 21% and his loss 29%
Cork Red Boi
25 May 2012 19:05:32
Sportsnews 1st October 2012:
FSG, the Liverpool owners. Have confirmed their support for underfire Liverpool manager Roberto Martinez. Martinez who's Liverpool team have yet to win a game. Have drawn or lost all their games since the beginning of the season. Martinez blamed the departure of Suarez and Skertl, Gerrard's injury and Lucas's slow return to fitness.
We can do without fans like u. i think he ll do well. get behind him and the team
Wow...... your just an apse. grow up... its getting stupid now
Sportsnews 1st October
After a slow start Martinez LFC are now starting to play great football and have won their last 5 matches to take them into 3rd .Although he was not the choice of most of the fans his name was sang by the kop for the majority of the win against Man City .
Seriously you have a pathetic , pathetic attitude , i love KK but i will support who comes in and for once we are looking to give a chance to an up coming.Martinez has always carried himself with dignity and was always respectful of our club.Swansea are his success and before we talk of stats he has done this on a shoe string budget.
Our club needs stability so getting a young manager who plays good football and has respect from his players, fans and chairman.No offence our treatment of Roy Hodgeson was disrespectful guess who is laughing now.
Why dont you go and support , if thats the right word , someone else ,
redforever
25 May 2012 19:05:15
I just want to talk about Martinez he obviously has alot of support in the game. Eds FSG have taken advice from people could you confirm who they are? Is one of them David Dein. So they haven't just done this to annoy the fans. Also its an investment so they are going to want the best.
If Martinez is there man then I will more than happy also Spain is at the top in football and he is an attacking manager. It's also a great excuse to get out the spanish flags again and drink lots of san miguel so happy days all round.
Mighty reds {Ed002's Note - They have not done anything just to annoy the fans.}
It will be interesting (assuming Martinez is appointed) to see where it leaves us with regard to media bias. He's a very popular man and we're....well we're Liverpool aren't we. Which way will it go? I've seen RM get a bit vexed once or twice and I reckon it will be the usual anti-Liverpool stuff once the papers/sky say enough stupid/offensive things. (Or whatever helps stretford, depending on which way you want to look at it.)
Len
25 May 2012 19:01:32
Personally I'll be disappointed if Martinez becomes manager as I don't believe he is good enough. Kenny should have been given more time. What do the ed's think.
Given more time. u must be mad we were going down like the titanic under kenny
We were not going down like the titanic my friend , in fact two games before he was sacked he had atken us to the final of the greatest cup competition in the world. It was watched by billions of people and we lost on a hairline decision of no more than 2 mm,
Show some respect for Kenneth mathieson Dalglish who is a natural and born winner.
in my view he wasnt given enough time ... but lets see where FSG take us before we judge them
Tel 1949
I agree about kenny needing more time but i think martinez will do a good job
derryred
Greatest cup competition in the world? Are you high?
And where did we finish in the league?
How many years do you have to go back to find a worse home record?
How many years do you have to go back to find a goals scored total that was lower?
Yes KK is a legend and can be treated that way by the fans, but that does not and did not meant that he had to stay as manager.
He did need to go - I still class him as a legend and won't here a bad word said about him in my presence, but in terms of being a manager at a football club that is based of results/points/direction etc he needed to go.
25 May 2012 19:00:50
Been telling you all week Martinez would get the job.
I supported Kenny all along and wanted him to get another season at least but he didn't and we move on.
I for one am delighted to see Martinez at LFC.
The man has all the qualities you would look for in a Manager and I think will prove to be a big success for us. We all need to be positive and support the Club as a whole and embrace the changes being made.
I believe the time is right for a New Manager to take the Premier by storm and that man will be Martinez.
So please all try and "Have Faith!"and stop bitching about everything!!
kidmillions
25 May 2012 18:59:48
when man like Capello and Van Gaal there why a big club choice a unproven young manager ? can he bring some big player in Liverpool ? Martinez only chance is he can bring spanish player. as he is spanish. God know may be have to support City aginto win EPL in march april next year. sad to support man city to win the title . I want we in that kind of situation but hard to find may be .
roman-red
25 May 2012 18:59:12
LFC have offered Martinez the job but he has not accepted it yet as he has said he wants complete control of football matters.
Another meeting next Tuesday apparently, according to sky
Tel 1949
25 May 2012 18:58:48
I think the negativity from the fans towards this whole managerial process is just born of all of the negativity that has drowned the club in the last 3 years.
The owners have clearly given the indication, through Ian Ayre, that they will be employing a Director of Football in the not too distant future as well. Some proven names have been brought up for the role, so I feel people should just wait and see.
I will be pretty happy if the DOF chooses most of the players to sign. It means the manager can just get on and coach the team. A real coach, who understands the how to play good football. Martinez has been talked about many times for his forward thinking approach to football, and we see this happen countless times abroad.
If we are able to sign young, hungry players who respect the football club then I feel we can't go too wrong as a sustainable business. Has anyone seen what has happened to the world economy or am I going bananas!?
If you can't compete financially in football then you will fall away quickly. These are our owners, like it or lump it. We are going to be more engaged with Liverpool more than ever before as the clubs branding and commercial opportunities broaden. It is going to be a very long process of development, but I really feel we should be grateful for the owners that we have got.
The only problem I have at all is that everyone I talk to seems to think we are a laughing stock and have been for a long time. It's difficult to explain to these people the truth of it, and get them to grasp a basic understanding of what football is as a business.
I rather think that Jhon Henry will be having the last laugh when other clubs buckle in their self made debt years from now...
If you have actually read this post..right down to here.. then please feel free to voice your views on the matter. Does anyone also feel agrivated that Liverpool have some good supporters, and some right miserable ones ?
Fowler99
25 May 2012 18:55:27
I was having a spot of luncheon down at the club today with some chaps I was at prep school with many years ago. We discussed the current situation with the club regarding the vacancies in senior positions. We all agreed that FSG are right to say nothing at this stage and are right to take their time. I am sure that after due deliberation they will install the best candidate that is available at this time, with a realistic and achievable brief. Lord Lyver of Byrd (PS - Don't be fooled by Lord Melbury into letting him get your antique coin collection valued. The man is a rogue and all-round bad egg.)
I second that. Lord Melbury is an impertinent fool. Don't let him near you hotel.
Len
25 May 2012 18:54:14
Eds and Macca
I have a question which i have never known the truth about. I have always wondered (and i could be way off) but was Kenny almost forced into buying a striker such as Carrol due to Torres asking to leave, or was Kenny aware long before that Torres was wanting to leave? I like Andy but just wondered if he was forced to make a buy like this at last minute?
Would appreciate any info if known
gareth
Come on eds, help me here
lol
Carroll was part of a long-term plan. Torres desire to leave made it possible.
25 May 2012 18:53:13
Hearing a lot of stuff regarding Liverpool FC and their new manager - I am now being lead to believe it will happen on Monday and my source is 80% the Liverpool manager will be Klopp not Martinez {Ed002's Note - That'll be Mousse I guess!}
25 May 2012 18:51:33
Roberto Martinez has been offered the chance to manage Liverpool according to Wigan chairman Dave Whelan.
Wigan boss Martinez was in Miami on Thursday for talks with Reds owner JW Henry about succeeding Kenny Dalglish as manager of the Anfield club.
Whelan has confirmed that Liverpool have made an offer to his manager and a decision will be made within the next week.
The only sticking point would appear to be whether Martinez will be given the level of control he demands.
"I have just spoken to Roberto," Whelan told Sky Sports News on Friday. "He went yesterday to Miami and had a very constructive meeting with the owner of Liverpool.
"They're going to talk again on Tuesday. They've made Roberto an offer and he has agreed to consider it.
"He is also aware that I have said 'I'd love to keep you but I need a decision by Wednesday or Thursday of next week'.
"If we lose him we've got to move and appoint someone for Wigan Athletic.
"In the meeting I think they've made him an offer and he's said 'what are my responsibilities'.
"These are American owners and the rules and regulations are a bit different from what we English set down.
"Roberto is a seven days a week, 12 hours a day worker and I don't know whether they realise how hard he works.
"He has rules and regulations to be fully in charge of football and I know he won't move anywhere unless he is fully in charge of the football.
25 May 2012 18:50:10
Whelan is become a speaker for Liverpool. I mean he is out there and make all the news related Liverpool manager. come on FSG you should do batter then that. for Whelan 1st time in my life saw the chairman happy to see his good manager leaving him why ? I am not trusting the businessman amercian owner. they have no love for football and no love for Liverpool. another tom and jerry in Liverpool again.
r-r
Have a sulk because they're not phoning you with updates.
25 May 2012 18:46:09
Evening ed and fellow reds . Psv here just won't users and eds to answer this situation .is martinez a better manager than kenny dalglish? Forget senterment go on stats ,can you see that this is a move forward if it happens for our football club. Cheers psv ps not trying to cause argument but understand people thought on this .
You cannot go on stats because FC and Wigan are two completely different teams. Martinez has a win percentage of around 30%, but he doesn't exactly have the best team in the world. I am a little cautious of him, but I think if we give him a chance, some time, a good DOF and a half decent transfer budget, I believe the "risk" could pay off.
LSM1604
25 May 2012 18:45:53
I wonder if it's the lack of transfer budget,MARTINEZ is pondering over??
sold down the river and hung out to dry?
25 May 2012 18:35:04
Ok Martinez has not been offered the job. He is on the shortlist of 4 and may not be favourite behind Rangnick, Tuchel and Villas-Boas.
Hardly household names I know but LFC fans need to know that the managers role wont be a far reaching role ala Keny Dalglish, Ferguson or Wenger but will purely be brought in to coach the first team.
Vaan Gal has talked himself out of the DOF role as he wants to manage and have more input in who we buy.
Like it or not the structure of the club is being developed from the top down. Will it work? Who knows will be fun watching though.
It wont be fun if it all goes horribly wrong mate unless you dont support liverpool then you will love it
So lets not make any changes, because it might go wrong. And watch the clubs with bigger bank balances leave us behind.
25 May 2012 18:31:17
I will always support Liverpool. Martinez, Klopp, Benitez or AVB - I will always support Liverpool. Good times, bad times, wins, defeats, relegation, champions league - I will always support Liverpool. Dalglish or Dundee, Neal or Traore, Barnes or Ngog or Fowler, our God - I will always support Liverpool. We have our right to state our views, and not agree - but we shall always support Liverpool.
George
Quality post!
25 May 2012 18:29:52
Just tried to log on to LFC tv for the friday phone in but was unable to due to high traffic.. i think many fans are wanting to put there views across on the managerial topic.
25 May 2012 18:29:36
wigan owner is a total media whore!! if LFC wanted to keep anything secret he has cocked that right up! eds what i dont understand is... by giving rm an offer have they not caused a problem for them selves? i.e he turns it down and AVB gets offered the role? i dont think other managers would like to think they are second choice....
Tomsy {Ed002's Note - It is no different to any other club changing manager and it happens all of the time.}
And who are you?? Show some respect.
Whelan has a right to talk - he is doing what is best for his club.
Whelan has built a stadium for his club, and helped keep them up season after season. He kept faith with Martinez when others laughed, and made good on his word to let him talk if a big club came in. Oh and he built a nationwide retail chain.
He has accomplished more than you ever will.
25 May 2012 18:29:15
FSG must go! We are the ones that have to get them out!
Lets start the campaign and save LFC
Stop being such an idiot
Go support chelsea. idiot
25 May 2012 18:05:36
hello eds hope your well,just the best site ever top work on hear by you all love it keep it up.right ed what do you think on this, roberto martinez named as the new gaffa by tuesday,with rodallega 1st player in and then clint dempsey i would love too see dempesy come too us at 29 not too old,and a great player,i hope its all sorted very soon and then we can start talking player's in and player's out.walk on with hope and you'll never walk alone.jay essex red for life red till dead.........cheers eds
25 May 2012 18:22:25
Whelan confirmed martinez has been offered job.
Martinez said he would consider it, but it looks like we(lfc) going to become a bit of joke with this circus, we keep our business quiet but cant get someone to sign confidentialty agreement before being interviewed to keep the matter quite, now martinez will take the piss by refusing the offer.
It looking like the job no one wants, when there are people like benitez who would jump at the chance of the job, also it looks like we have only had 3 people on list brendan,martinez and de boer 2 rejected us and one will consider the job offer, how low have we fell.
Have patience and wait for the facts to come out, stop listening to the media and an owner who wants to keep his man, at any cost.
Things will turn out Ok i am sure. Keep the faith.
Evered
He actually contradicts himself, he says he has then says he thinks he has, he hasn't got a clue
25 May 2012 18:20:37
Asked about the prospect of Martinez taking over at Liverpool, Reds skipper Steven Gerrard said: "We'll have to wait and see. It's news for me. I am aware Roberto Martinez has been speaking to the club. If he is the manger he has my support."
Gerrard will have to support the Manager.
Just like Martinez he has no Premiership winners medal. So no Ego's dismissing the Manager because they've done it all? like Chelsea players? We just need to get on with it. And all win together.
kidmillions
25 May 2012 18:07:56
I believe that the reason we should have kept with Dalglish for just a year more is that when this the new manager comes in, he'll always be compared to him and there will always be people who say "we should have gave him for time" and it will always follow Martinez or who ever comes in but that era is over and who ever comes in I just hope they get the time to build the club they want -McMenemy
Look if Pep Guardiola got the job? Some of our players could suffer from an inferiority complex. Imagine Pep making comparisons with what he's got? to what he left?
kidmillions
25 May 2012 17:56:39
Most #lfc fans dont want Martinez bcos he keeps finishing in d bottom five.but can u find out who was in charge of Mainz when they got relegated in 2007?Martinez may just be d anointed one....watch dis space
Mozay
Bottom line is if the owners want Martinez then that is their business. All we can do is cross our fingers, hope for the best and support him.
Why can't people not write properly?
MR EM
Speak for yourself you clown, I'll support the manager whoEVER it is.
It was jurgen klopp that got relegated with mainz just read the article on empire of the kop good quote on there we(liverpool) don,t hire world class managers we make them world class
riley
25 May 2012 17:55:28
So if Martinez does get the job, perhaps not the ideal choice but give the guy a chance! He's young, ambitious and wants to play football in the right way. When you look at the shoe-string budget he's been working with at Wigan and some of the players at his disposal (eg.Caldwell, Di Santo, Beausjour, Maloney), he has got more out of them than many managers would have. Ok Wigan survived relegation by the skin of their teeth for a few years, but who's to say it won't work for him with a superior squad and better players than Wigan? I think we'll find full backs more advanced, better service and creativity to our forwards leading ultimately to more goals. I do worry about the defensive aspect, but I'm sure with better players that will improve. Klopp, Guardiola etc would have been amazing, but we should get behind him if it happens. Plus Martinez would have spent the money we p**sed away on Downing/Henderson/Carroll and Adam far more wisely in my opinion!
Leffeman101
We are not in the time to take risk. it's a big risk to apoint a manager of his status . if he not come up good then Liverpool will be in very big trable.
Good post mate i agree 100 % hes young and hungry and plays exciting football his wigan side completely outplayed us at anfield they done the same to united at the dw he likes to be involved at every level at the club from the u16s to the senior team this is something i like about him i can see him bringing our young talents into the senior team the likes of sterling suso adjoran and co the owners have spent a lot of money on youth now i think they want to see them develop into the first team-THE POPE
25 May 2012 17:54:31
Whoa there fellow Reds,
All this "banter" is getting ridiculous.
If you support Liverpool, you will see them through good and bad. To say you will not support them if they appoint this manager or that is ludicrous. Besides a lot of "fans" are ruling out every manager in football! Someone posted that they don't think Guardiola has the credentials for the job! Guardiola!
This is the team I support and always have, through thick and thin. If we get Steve Keane I would still support Liverpool (he's not on the short list I am sure)! Whoever it is it's my club and I will support it.
So chill everyone, wait and see and if you don't like the manager choice leave us because we don't want or need you.
Those that stay, you remain special people.
Bazzaa
People still won't listen to you, there is nothing you can say to stop them spitting poison... BUT be happy in the thought that there are still 'fans' out there like you and me who will support the name of Liverpool through any storm...
Myk
25 May 2012 17:52:52
The media is so full of BS
25 May 2012 17:52:12
The majority of Liverpool fans are starting to piss me off (not directed towards us who use this site, just in general). It really annoys me how fans seem to be so prejudice towards Roberto Martinez.. How can you get on us back before he has even got the job? Give him a chance, if you can't back him, then we're never going to get anywhere. Roberto in my eyes isn't primarily the target i would've liked but that doesn't mean i wont back him 100%, he's young, a catalan and has bags of potential. Pep guardiola before barca was pretty much a no one, he was the B team coach, Klopp managed Mainz before dortmund.. Arsene Wenger was found by david dein in japan before he joined Arsenal! Give the bloke a chance, i believe Martinez can work wonders for Liverpool, he enforces attacking, passing football he can be a success in my eyes.
Scott.
I'm with you mate, I think we give him our support. If he takes it he'll be massively excited and so determined to do well. he knows the type of football we want and I think it's the way he wants to play the game too. For gods sake give him a go you all might get a pleasant surprise. The owners will give him time 'cos he's their chosen man and that will give him confidence. No disrespect to wigan but they are tiny in comparison to LFC and he's done really well on a shoestring budget, he'll get the best out of the players we've got and I for one am prepared to give him a chance, he laid the foundations at Swansea and it's worked for them.
stevieH
YNWA
25 May 2012 17:51:51
Dave Whelan has only gone and opened his mouth again. Not just to announce that Martinez has been made an offer, but he's also said that Old Whiskey Nose is retiring at the end of the season! ha
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/25/sir-alex-ferguson-retirement-date
GOD whelan has a big Gob !!!
Fergies won his last trophy!
That's where Pep Guardiola will end if true... I've always thought Utd. would want him.
25 May 2012 17:49:14
Times sports now report that FSG sources saying that they have not offered martinez job at LFC and he has just given interview to henry.
They are surprised at wheelan statement.
And now pep say he could be back in job after 1 month.
I am not saying he is coming to us but something is not adding up.
What are your thoughts ed?
Red indian
Ps-i am happy how quitely FSG have kept on going about their business.
Guardiola is Chelski bound, ask Ed 2
25 May 2012 17:46:25
Steve Bruce finished higher with Wigan than Martinez !!
Steve bruce plays s**te football and is a manc, lets support whoever is chosen and give our full support. Martinez was the one who dragged Swansea from obscurity to a premiership team. The way they perform and the players they have is all down to Martinez! give the guy some credit, swansea are the best pass and move side in the league.
25 May 2012 17:44:55
What if ? What if all the candidates approached by FSG turned them down for one reason or another?
Things would get interesting to say the least !
I wonder what their next plan would be?
It could happen, and would be a little amusing.
Borrell would surely be put in charge then if that was to happen
The call would go out to the KING
25 May 2012 17:41:14
suarez will be sold to barcelona in a £19 million deal which will also see pedro join liverpool fc. this deal has been completed by fsg as they see suarez as a distraction to many. pedro is young and creative. also skrtel will be going to juventus in a 22 million euro deal. with this money i acpect liverpool to buy adam johnson for a cut price deal of 8 million. also i can see us purchasing luuk de jong to play with andy carrol up top. and just a hint but i will bet anyone my rare edition blue eyes white dragon yugioh card that andy carrol will score more then 15 premier league goals next season.
i literally am in the know
mike oxlong
what your opinion on the transfers eds?
I don't know mate........ a rare edition blue eyes white dragon? You really are sticking your neck out on this one - i'd only put my red eyes black dragon on a bet for this to happen.
Jolly Red
Ya! Ok they'll sell him for a loss??
You really are a Muppet
But then again muppets have a life somi maybe wrong!
Lyndon
Do you work in Management or Finance? If you don't? You should: seems to me you have gift for Management/Financial affairs and could go a long way.Or perhaps your just another WUM!!/Idiot
kidmillions
Lyndon it would hardly be a loss with pedro coming the other way spanish national team player low estimate of his value would have to be 13 million making the overall value of the transfer 32 million hardly a loss
25 May 2012 17:33:34
After reading alot of posts saying 'Yanks out' I'm sad to say I'm more than embarrassed. It seems football is now a game of double standards. You all moan that kenny should have had more time, that managers get sacked too quickly and are never given a chance. Yet as soon as they do something for the better of the club, you wanna get rid because it doesn't suit your ideals. Now, i know it's a minority, and most on here are alot more patient and actually trust the owners, but for those of you who do nothing but bitch and moan about the owners, please just shut the **** up.
Sorry for the Angry tone and cussing, Eds and Reds. Cheers for your hard work.
Agree
redphil
Really? Sacking Kenny and then appointing Martinez is better for the club?
VM YNWA
Well said
Good Shout mate
25 May 2012 17:31:23
hi macca not having ago but u said u hope they sign a top manager and u think theywont sign martinez and yesterday u said back who ever they bring in well it looks like its martinez im sorry but how can we give someone like this are full backing im sorry but its a massive mistake it will be another hodgson but worse because 90% of the fans dont want him i just cant belive it were going to go even furter backwards this shows me that they are after a yes man come on wat top players even no about this manager let alone want to sign for him god im so anoid its unreal sorry for the rant not your fault mate but dont u think this is a big mistake by the owners?
mike
25 May 2012 17:30:37
Hey eds,
Thought I'd get something going. It may drive you insane, but I don't believe it's been mentioned. Do you think Roberto martinez is a smokescreen and we've really got Jose mourinho already in the bag. Ha ha ha ha. Let's see who picks up the baton and runs with it
No; he's real: I've met him.
kidmillions
No Martinez is a smoke screen for Mourinho, who is also a smokescreen for Klopp, therefore we are double-bluffing and playing with all sorts of knives and cloaks and the like.
FSG use so many smokescreens it is looking like a 5 minute match of Call of Duty.
Jolly Red
I enjoyed this one. There hasn't been enough talk of smokescreens so far and even though this was a joke it made me laugh.
Well, apart from the fact that the special one has extended his contract until 2016, I can't see this happening
Puzzled
25 May 2012 17:25:42
Hi ED,
Too much speculation for my liking. Do you believe that Martinez will be the new manager, and will it really take until next week to confirm him if he does become manager?
Thanks as ever
Burnsy {Ed002's Note - It would be guess work on my behalf at this time Burnsy.}
25 May 2012 17:24:15
Afternoon all, sorry this isn't even football related but I've tried posting on the rugby page and it's really quiet over there, anyone know if there's anywhere I can watch the England v Barbarians game on Sunday?
Chris in Tamworth
Try " firstrow sports" mate ..usually have all sports onthere to stream .always works well for me
Mr Slonk The Red
YNWA
Have you tried wiziwig.tv mate, or if you have the google chrome football extension just click on live sport and it will be in 'other'. hope thi helps mate.
huddz red
Twickenham
I think it's on Sky Sports 4 Chris, but if you mean online then wiziwig and livesportsontv will be showing it.
Cork Red Boi
That should have been sportlemon.tv, was using livesports to see when it was on.
Cork Red Boi
If you have it, type in on google chrome 'google chrome football stream'
There should be something that lets you install something on your chrome,
A little football will appear on the top right of google chrome, it has every live stream possible. Has rugby as well. Good luck
Sean ynwa
"twickenham"
Original!
Chris in Tamworth
Blokes chasing eggs??!
25 May 2012 17:18:59
In all the controversy surrounding the manager situation, nobody has mentioned that our very own big Andy Carroll is starting for England tomorrow!!
Let's hope he gets a good performance in and starts off a glittering Euro 2012 campaign.
Good luck Andy, I know your capable.
Don't forget that its Stevie G's first game as permanent captain! Let's support our guys and hope they create a good link up ready for the start of next season.
Tom in Wolves
Agreed..! Good call mate!
All the best to our lads!
Myk
25 May 2012 17:22:01
Hey eds I posted a comment earlier today that Martinez was offerd the job before anyone else commented before it was on sky news, why is it my posts don't make it onto the forum?? {Ed002's Note - What name did you put to it?}
I don't understand what there is to agree/disagree on this one.. Do people just like to interact or something?
Myk
Easy to press a button by accident on the phones Myk
25 May 2012 17:21:17
If we do get Martinez I hope he brings with him that 3-4-3 formation with him that wa succesful towards the later stages of the season. free flowing, attacking and I think would suit our players well.
Reina
Skertle, Coates, Agger
Kuyt, Gerrard, Lucas, Downing
Suarez, Carroll, Bellemy
replace kuyt and downing for johnson/kelly and Enrique for difficult away games and we have the basis for a good team.
Just a thought
Reina
johnson, skrtel, agger, enrique
lucas
elia, gerrard, downing
suarez
carroll
4411 - diamond using wingers on counter attacks and lucas, gerrard and suarez in possession
Not with Kuyt & Downing on the flanks.
Reina
Skrtel Coates Agger
Johnson Gerrard Lucas Enrique
Suarez Carroll Bellamy
If I could dream, then I'd buy Iker Muniain and play him instead of Bellers. Also Luuk De Jong for competition with Big Andy.
Massive fan of the 3-4-2-1!
Stone YNWA.
25 May 2012 17:21:17
The only good thing about Martinez is the fact that he's able to survive a relegation fight, Because im convinced we'll be involved in 1 next season. Ken
Im convinced you have no clue what you are talking about
We shouldn't be - our players are better than that... comment made me laugh though!
That's what I like to hear Ken ....NOT.
The only plus side to that comment is at least you were brave enough to sign.
What has happened to our famous support ! Maybe you think Martinez will be a risk......every manager is a risk ...success or failure is not guaranteed.But give the new manager a bit of backing at least or the supporters will be the downfall of this club
KJS
Ken chilax man
Red Branch
Yeah, you don't have a clue what your on about. But should you be right, im sure you will be saying 'told you so,' instead of feeling sad
25 May 2012 17:17:29
Ed's is there a wigan rumours page, if so what is their take on all this, do they think he could be a good manager for us?
Slimboy {Ed002's Note - I don't think there is.}
25 May 2012 17:17:17
Sick
I'm sick of modern football.
I'm sick of managers choosing 'projects' over Clubs
I'm sick of 'competitions' over team mates
I'm sick of fans loving players they hardly know -
I'm sick of fans hating players in their Clubs
I'm sick of players that dive
I'm sick of managers who lie
I'm sick of owners who promise
I'm sick of modern football.
I'm sick of oligarchs and foreign owners
I'm sick of dodgy money & bankrupt plans
I'm sick of loan deals, transfer days and pay-offs
I'm sick of Legends who've done nothing
I'm sick of Fans who want everything
I'm sick of modern football.
I'm sick of Sky and TalkSport
I'm sick of match days and play offs
Im sick of hatred and spite
I'm sick of know alls and in the knows
I'm sick of greed and hubris
I'm sick of managers not given time
I'm sick of nobodys lauded as greats
And I'm sick of greats who are treated like nobodys
I'm sick of modern football.
Drew
Take 2 tablets and have a lie down. You'll feel much better!
The Robin
Ah did someone fall out of there pram
Might be worth going the doctors, you dont seem tto well!
tel 1949
You need to get to the doctors,all that sickness sounds like you could be pregnant.
Sick? Or just a little tired and emotional perhaps?
Victor Meldrew? Is that you?
Myk
And I am sick of post like this
Get a good sleep. You will wake up happier! i hope
In saying that modern football game is getting worse overall i think. Slaters come hither and fire flames at me but money has ruined the game in terms of making it something it could never be, also hansen and the rest of MOTD commentators have lost their grip on reality. When i heard Hansen say 'mancini may go down as one of the greats,' i lost a lot of respect. You could give a monkey that money and they would pretty damn well
gareth
I'm sick of seeing every touch described as sublime or brilliant. It's just a ball, it's not that difficult to control.
25 May 2012 17:16:36
Don't shoot the messenger but I have heard that Henry and some of the board are shape shifting alien reptiles as is apparently the Duke of Edinburgh and leaders of World Bank. My sisters friend saw Henry being served a live mouse at the Carling Cup half timebreak. Apparently they want to destroy Anfield as it is the centre of powerful set of ley lines converging to a portal to another world under the away dug out. So good times on the way. Ed do you think we need to sign another left back as competition to Enrique?
Your Natural World Atomised ??
Is this the conspiracy page?
{Ed002's Note - I would have thought Robinson worthy of a shot.}
People might be laughing at this. If so - go on the conspiracy page - it's like this all the time and the worrying thing is - they seem to be serious
Puzzled
Well seeing as john henry,s cosmetic surgeon has made him look like someone out of "V" and lfc is an ancient ruin of a football club.i think you might be on to something there!
25 May 2012 17:14:53
If Martinez is appointed then i really think JH need's to go to specsaver's! And these are a group who go on the stats! joke!
Am I right in assuming that you have signed off as "Joke"
I don't think so Mr Joke "Martinez' is a very good manager but he'd need more time done kenny got but anyone who comes in would. There's a lot of work to be done in the club
I think he's quite handsome myself...
Myk
FFS, Will you give the man a chance. He is not yet our manager and you are putting the boot in already. If Martinez does get the job i will get behind him 100%. As will most of our true fans will. I have said this a few times this week if you don`t like it go and bello blue moon and sod off.
Martinez wasn`t my first choice but i think he will be a breath of fresh air and that`s what lfc has needed for years now. I would love it if he got us where we belong again winning and playing good football again and prove all the plastic fans wrong.
Sorry for the rant ED,
Andy kophead.
Sounds like you may be sick?
25 May 2012 17:14:10
ed Ian Abrahams or Mousse talksport has said that Klopp will defo be the next LFC manager, do you know if theres any uth to this or if theres any chance of Klopp coming? cheers mate! {Ed002's Note - If it is on Twitter and say "Mousse" I suspect not.}
FFS it's moose!
How can it be so difficult?
While I'm on the subject can people stop posting comments like "could of bought" "should of bought"
It's could HAVE bought and should HAVE bought!
Bunch of bloody illiterates
Chris in Tamworth
Chris you could HAVE been or should HAVE been an english teacher lol
riley
Hey Chris in Tamworth If speaking proper English he did, Yoda he'd be not.
They don't talk proper do they Chris!?!
Myk
Its called scouse mate
77to2005
Time of the month perhaps? ...
Chris you should of bought da teach yaself scouse Book
Why dont ye head back over to the rugby site Chris im sure the lads over there are grammatically correct see can they untwist your knickers for ye , The club is at a watershed moment and your worried about spellings , muppet......
Ronnie Whelans hair
Love the chopper reference
I'm very disappointed in you Chris. I am tempted to correct posts about every 2nd one, but I resist it in case people think I am obsessive
Puzzled
Ronnie, I'm well aware of what an important time it is for our club and I'll comment on it and worry about it when something is decided
Chris in Tamworth
25 May 2012 17:13:35
Looks like I will be dusting off my yonks out banner. Griff {Ed002's Note - Or you could get behind the owners, team and manager and give it a real shot next year?}
So called fans like you make me sick, you are not wanted at this club
Yeah you could just give the guy a chance, its people like you who will eventually drive our club under. Nobody will ever be successful if people like yourself will never give them a chance. He might actually do a good job.
I wish Man Utd. fans would stop posting on our site!
Agree, get behing the new manager and support the team . Bilverstone
You are truly pathetic. They have spent money on players. They are taking their time trying to pick the right manager for us. It may well turn out to be the best decision they ever make. nobody knows yet? But most of all if you are a true liverpool fan, you would get behind the team whoever was in charge. There is no quick fix, this will take time to get back to where we were!!
This is their reward for listening to the "supporters" last time around. They'd have to be mental to make that mistake twice...yet you seem to want this. Odd.
25 May 2012 17:10:39
I don't believe we deserve better than Martinez, no. Stop living in the past and lets give the guy a chance and see what happens. Personally i think he has many attributes.
Who would you rather, out of interest? Capello? AVB?
If so, What makes you think they would be better?
gareth
25 May 2012 17:05:38
i really think that liverpool should go for a manager who is very good in the transfer market. if we get martinez we will just end up with wigan players, liverpool need to spend big and martinez is not used to that. ed do we have any interest in rafa? or not
many thanks {Ed002's Note - A tentative approach was made but I do not know if it went further.}
Rafa is in line for the Baggies job. easy commute from the Wirral and easy money as well.
kidmillions
What a stupid comment " we will end up with Wigan players"
He had a small budget compared to us and only finished 9 points behind us !!
Give the guy a chance to spend it first then judge him !!
Which part of the concept of Director of Football do you not understand?
25 May 2012 17:04:47
Just a quick message to those who can't see any positives to Martinez' appointment. Any manager we put in there is a gamble, a lot of apparent candidates had never had prem experience others choose not to indulge in the interest. Martinez has appeared to be eager and motivated. People say he has no pull with players, with a great deal of footy professionals around the world, a large amount speak Spanish. If you were to take the plunge into the premier league, Martinez offers an advantage. He plays an excellent brand of football, and to be fair to get someone of the Wigan players to play the he wanted was an achievement.
Let's start looking positive, he's a classy and intelligent guy and to be fair the way Liverpool football club has conducted itself in the last 18 month has been everything but classy and intelligent
Owen LL
Brilliant post mate, well said.
harry h
25 May 2012 17:00:50
Let's hope MI5 don't recruit Dave Whelan!! Despite what he says there seems to be a chance we will unveil Klopp on Monday.. Talk sports Moose tweeting that info... Here's hoping!!
YorkshireRed
25 May 2012 16:58:01
I will give RM a year if we don't improve then I'll turn on him & the owners.
Dave
Some classy fan you are
I'll tell you what, forget the 12 months, support Man City now.
Liverpool WILL win the FA Cup and come 3rd just a few points from second next season as city will run away with the league.
Ohhh I bet they are quaking
25 May 2012 16:54:27
can we all stop talking about Pep coming to Liverpool, never going to happen and it would end up being a shed load of cash we haven't got to spend on a manager...stupid money in fact!
25 May 2012 16:58:33
Jen Chang as director of communications is just a ruse. The tall director of communication, judging by his constant attention seeking clearing bleating to sky sports, is non other than Dave Whelan! Who is stooping as low add possible to make sure he gets hiss compensation for Bobby Martinez.
Matt
25 May 2012 16:53:17
Is it me who thinks there is something fishy about the way Dave Whelan is providing the press with a running commentary about Martinez and his discussions with us. Clearly he is trying to ensure Wigan fans know that Martinez walked rather than was forced out (presuming he does come to us). I wonder though whether Whelan doesn't have a hidden agenda - either trying to Force Martinez out for some reason or trying to piss off FSG to the extent that they wlk away from Whelan. Either way it is an dd way for a chairman to be behaviing. I'd be interested to know what the Eds make of it.
Bob {Ed002's Note - Clearly something fishy. But now MAcca has been outed as Dave Whelan, does it put a whole different complextion on things?}
25 May 2012 16:49:21
IT looks like martinez folks!
25 May 2012 16:49:05
Whelan is completely out of order here. He should keep his gob shut. Nothing to do with him if LFC offer his manager a job. That is between LFC and Martinez and then later the clubs. The key being later the clubs. Always had a lot of respect for the guy but that has disappeared with these comments to the press.
If I was martinez I would be really annoyed!
Iggypop
Why, its a free country, he doesn't have any obligations to LFC, and without him we would know nothing.
JD
There could only really be 2 people leaking the info to Whelan. That is Martiinez or his adviser.
Someone needs to tell them to keep Whelan out of the loop.
@JD...."without him we would have nothing"
seriously man get some sense before posting
25 May 2012 16:48:51
Another question for eds and/or macca,
With it looking more likely that Martinez will sign as our manager in your opinion do you believe that players in the same status bracket as Soldado or Muniain will still be willing to come to us?
Potentially talented as he is, he is still relatively unknown outside of premier league and fairly inexperienced. I have had conversations with ex professionals before and they often cite the success record and ability of the manager as a factor in whether they would sign for a team or not.
Nevada
In all fairness then when we was waiting for kenny to get sacked or to hear about a new manager now, it's nothing to do with us, same as who ever they hire, so maybe we should keep our mouths shut
G BOX
25 May 2012 16:47:29
My honest opinion is that I don't really want Martinez as boss, I just believe he isn't ready yet, and that FSG may just be penny pinching. However if he is appointed he will get my full and unconditional support, he will be one of the family and I will want him to succeed. Here's hoping he delivers
Jed
25 May 2012 16:46:39
For the eds, with martinez been offered the job and said he would consider it in your opinion how long would a team give a manager to consider this position before moving on with the next candidate {Ed002's Note - 24 hours typically - he and his family would have been considering it before applying in any case.}
25 May 2012 16:45:23
If he is demanding control then fair play to him, I still believe KK was not taken all the way out to the states to be sacked, he was told of the new structure and that he would more or less just be a coach. The result when he obviously wouldnt have that was the sack. I dont think they wanted him in the first place either, so problem solved.
However if martinez turns us down on the terms offered we start to look really sad.
No if Martinez turn's us down then it's FSG that will look bad! They hav'nt got a clue! I really hope he turn's them down!
Why would you hope someone turns us down! Yu are not a supporter. You have no comprehension of money or business. The owner are business men. Go support Man city or Chelsea if you want to live in the fantasy money league do us all a favour and support Man city or Chelsea!!
Then leave us to support The Club we Love and not just want them to live beyond their means.
Leeds fans went through what we Nearly did so just leave it out and go join up with your friend at The Spirit of Shankly
LYNDON
25 May 2012 16:42:35
Quick question eds,
I've heard that whichever manager is hired they will have no control over transfers or management of youth players as FSG are looking to appoint someone to look after these affairs and solely focus their attention on them. Is this true?
Also while I am skeptical of Martinez as manager I will certainly not get on his case before he has even taken control of a match. Everyone should stop complaining now, whatever he has acheived before now is irrelevant, even if he had guided Madrid to their third consecutive Champs league title it would still be irrelevant because there is no club with the pressure and atmosphere and intensity of LFC so regardless of experience it is a stiff learning curve.
Nevada {Ed002's Note - I suspect that it is not a case of "no control" but perhaps they will become part of a decision making process that includes advisors, the Director of Football, coaching staff, the manager, even the owners.}
This is how the game works nowadys. Only Britain has managers, everywhere else has coaches.
Len
25 May 2012 16:41:11
A question for everyone. Would you prefer to have had Martinez or dalglish for the season coming up.
Agree - dalglish
Disagree - Martinez
Aintree red
Rather have gave Kenny another year than hiring Martinez! But In Rafa we trust!
I think they should have only got rid if kenny if they had a big name in the bag. This is just a pointless sideways step. Kenny would have achieved at least what Martinez will.
Although he will have my support and backing.
Aintree red
25 May 2012 16:52:05
If it is true that Liverpool have offered Martinez the job I think it is a mistake as they should wait to talk to Pep as he has said he ready to return to Managment. Liverpool can offer him a challenge.
What do the eds and MACCA think?
I am sorry, but no wonder other supporters call us deluded.
Forgive my ignorance but isn't Guardiola less experienced than Martinez?
25 May 2012 16:51:43
Andy Hunter from the Guardian is reporting that the club has denied that they offered the job to Martinez. The club explained the new structure under which the new manager will work. Martinez will think about it and agreed to have another meeting next week. Andy Hunter is also claiming (I assume based on his sources within the club) that LFC will interview other canditates next week and the name of Brendan Rodgers was once again mentioned. I will not be surprised if in then we will have a joint management structure involving Van Gaal and Laudrup. Vince
25 May 2012 16:39:20
Am I the only person who is thinking we deserve better then Martinez who's main achievement is avoiding relegation every year I fear for the future!
I too am skeptical but lets be fair if Mourinho or Del Bosque were managing wigan their biggest acheivement would be flirting with relegation.
Nevada
25 May 2012 16:37:00
I think Macca is Dave Whelan... He seems to know more about whats going on than anyone else out there ! Tobiwan {Ed002's Note - Busted at last.}
Rubbish, Macca is Gary Neville
Chris in Tamworth
25 May 2012 16:36:21
If Liverpool like to do business behind closed doors it certainly doesn't seem like Dave whelan does, he can't wait to get his coupon on sky sports everyday letting the world know what's happening with Martinez, anyone else think he's trying to piss FSG off so they pull out of talks and he gets to keep Martinez
Ever played FM? You know the way the press hound you for a response that you don't want to give. Then they take your words, twist them for maximum impact and present them as if you were shouting from the rooftops. Leave Whelan alone, it's the press you want to be having a pop at.
Len
(94.6.124.235)
25 May 2012 15:22:06
For Macca or maybe the Eds, with Martinez taking over it seems after being made an offer, so you believe the original targets like Soldado, Susaeta, DeJong and Ramirez will still be the main targets or will Martinez have drawn up his own list
With Martinez coming in Suarez will be our last big name signing for years to come.
Doom, doom, doom. I doubt he'll be our last big name signing for years. Lets see what happens and get behind whoever comes in.
The Mighty Creed
Just because Martinez has been made an offer, it doesn't mean he'll accept it. Let's stop getting ahead of ourselves, and if he IS brought in, let's all stop acting like whining little children and get behind our manager. He's young and plays solid attacking football. The entire lure of LFC is because of the fans' unconditional support for the club - let's not start ruining that now by judging a manager before he's even got the job.
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Martinez isn't my first choice but imagine if he doesn't accept it and stays at Wigan!!
25 May 2012 16:33:33
The way LFC supporters on here are talking about Dave Whelan is disgraceful and pathetic. If it wasnt for him then we wouldnt have a clue what was happening with our club. FSG, Henry and Ayre are telling us nothing. Whelan is a lovely man who is well respected in the game, Some of you should have a bit of class when talking about him, graham
Deals done in private behind closed doors as per the Liverpool way. That's what was called for before. These poor owners can do no right with the proportion of fickle fans. I never thought I'd see the day when our fans were ripping managers apart before giving them a chance
25 May 2012 16:33:10
I am beginning to feel it is easier to follow Dave Whelan's blog, than read the rumors here (however excellent this site is) on our new manager search. As it is a rumors page however, I would like to mention that Martinez has apparently been made an offer by LFC for the manager position - Whelan will apparently be posting again within the hour, so not long for another update.
25 May 2012 16:32:18
Huge risk Martinez on own.Surely he must conceed hes unproven at very top,and accept Van Gaal as D.o.f. If Whelans infos correct Martinez doesnt want that.Mistake to throw away leaning on that experience
25 May 2012 16:30:35
Will the interview about the suarez-evra case possibly make FA give suarez a new van? {Ed002's Note - The van he has is just fine.}
LOL ED
gee man
It's a mercedes sprinter I saw using it to cart his Decorating supplies around earlier today for his summer business.
Nevada
Are you trying to say he's a 'White Van Man' ed ?
I thought we'd done with all that business !
The Real KB
25 May 2012 16:26:03
with martinez being made an offer i wonder if he accepts the job will he target the players he wanted to bring to wigan for liverpool.the two main transfer targets wigan had for the summer were christian clemens of fc koln who were relegated to div 2 and bas dost of heerenveen who is after a bigger challenge.i wonder will martinez try and now sign them for liverpool.bas dost looks a very good prospect 9/10 mill would secure him. clemens would cost about 7mill but two very good young players.
^ WHAT!!
I'd take luuk de jong over bas dost purely because bas dost is a target player and we have andy.
25 May 2012 16:22:38
After reading what dave Whelen said I have to say I'm not sure if roberto will take the job, Whelen stated this "He has rules and regulations to be fully in charge of football and I know he won't move anywhere unless he is fully in charge of the football.
"I think he's considering it and I think he'll give it fair consideration. I think he has said thank you for the offer but I only work when I have complete control of football.
Macca and eds, do you think he will get full control? I would love your opinions, seem like it could be a deal breaker
^ let's hope and pray it is a deal breaker! And that Whelan want's to keep his mouth shut! In Rafa we trust!
I think, if that is Martinez's stance, he would have made that clear to J.W.Henry in the initial talks, if J.W.Henry didnt want him to have full control, he wouldnt have made an offer, unless they have come to some agreement where a DoF can be put in place and Martinez is happy with it.
Carb
Every time I see "in rafa we trust" i will click disagree without reading the rest of your post. the mans an embarassment. did you see him on stage at that dodgy play in liverpool? it was painful
25 May 2012 16:20:41
Can someone please explain why Dave Whelan feels the need to be the public spokesman for Martinez and LFC both parties are trying to conduct this process in a private and dignified way but every time Whelan has any news it is straight on to sky sports why cant he just keep it shut and be a little bit more proffesional {Ed002's Note - Before he spoke there was a mass of fans bleating that there was no news. The lesson learned is the fans will bleat regardless.}
As unhappy as i am with Whelan sayin what he has said, currently, Martinez is still employed by him, so he is well within his rights to talk about his employes, regardless of what he is sayin.
Carb
Its because dave whelan is a fans man and he as allways kept the wigan fans in touch with what happens with there club.You cant slate the man for telling fans what is going on and every owner should be like him,he understands the fans are the most important people at any club.Terry
The reason he keeps bleating is because
it's his manager lfc are trying to hire, he is just batting wigan,s corner of which
he is entitled to do...............
25 May 2012 16:20:14
Red with 40 years.
If it's Robbie Martinez , then great !
Lets get on with it and get right behind the man.
FSG have done it before, they're no H & G.
Have patience & faith....
Martinez has principals and whatever about their
position most of last year, their football was excellent.
With a better quality of player, I've no doubts, he'll
help us to total football. Who knows, this time next
year , we could here wondering why we never got him
before WOY.
WALK ON .....
Razz
They have patience and faith? What happened to Kenny then? 2 cup final's in 1 season winning 1 and milimetre's away from a 2nd as people have said Rome was'nt built in a day so what happened to having patience and faith in Kenny?
I was pretty obvious to any and everybody that throughout the second half of the season Kenny could not motivate the team to win, not even for an FA Cup final.
You might say thats the players fault but it is much easier to find a different manager to motivate a team of players than it is to buy a new team which a manager can motivate.
Nevada
25 May 2012 16:18:36
This slagging off of Dave whelan is really getting to me now Ed. The arrogance of some of our fans is unbelievable. He has invested in his club and done well by them, he is respected in the game and I am sure appreciated by the Wigan fans, who have supported there team through different leagues, good times and bad. They have not had the luxury of champions league wins and league and FA cup titles and yet they turn up and support there team anyway.
Now if he feels it is right to let their fans know exactly what is happening with their Manager and club then good luck to him. It is most definetly his right to do so.
25 May 2012 16:13:43
Please for God's sake, reject us Roberto Martinez....
VM YNWA
25 May 2012 16:11:44
I want Liverpool FC to be successful. Therefore, that means I also want the manager to be successful, whoever that might be.
If Dave Whelan is correct and Martinez has been offered the job, then I will support him and hope he has a successful tenure as Liverpool manager. Personally I think it is a risk but I'll support himad the team nevertheless.
One thing does confuse me though. We don't appear to have interviewed any other managers ( I emphasise 'appear'). If so, why have we offered the job to the first likely candidate? And why have we done so prior to the appointment of a DOF?
The Robin
25 May 2012 16:10:29
Sources close to FSG are saying that Martinez has NOT been offered a job. It could still happen, but the rumours that the offer has been made are false. Rodgers and van Gaal are still to be interviewed before any decisions are finalized.
Personally I still think Rodgers will be the next manager of LFC.
Mark
25 May 2012 16:09:20
The disappointing thing is i dont think FSG have even spoken to anyone other than Martinez, Ian Ayre and his bullsh*t statement of we can a attract a top manager to the club!
we heard a rumour about a week before Kenny was sacked that Martinez was a target to be the new boss and all these other names spoken of were just from the press.
i believe they were impressed by Martinez keeping Wigan up with little money and FSG have just spent a fortune last season, Martinez is well liked by the media and a complete yes man, would never be strong willed like Benitez or Dalglish a perfect fit for the brand of Liverpool FC.
lets just hope he can do the most important thing first and foremost coach, and second which im really worried about is gain the respect of the players.
cobra
25 May 2012 16:08:35
This idea that the owners were going to consider a number of managers seems to be complete nonsense?
Roberto Martinez was splashed all over the back pages days before Kenny Dalglish was even sacked! And now they've offered him the job without interviewing anyone else. It seems they were only ever interested in him? Not sure why?
I suppose we have Dave Whelan to thank for all this info! I bet he can't wait for updates so that he can call sky sports and get himself on the television!! lol
25 May 2012 16:08:14
Wish people would stop criticising Dave Whelan. It has a lot to do with him and besides he is keeping all us fans in the know so may off him.
Neilp
25 May 2012 16:08:05
Good luck to amoo and aurelio as they start a new chapter at pne and gremio. Eds is martinez the most likely to become lfc manager?
25 May 2012 16:06:58
sky sports via mr whelan report that martinez offered job BUT been given till next tues to make his mind up..now if he says no then who the hell would accept their 2nd choice to wigans manager ?and who the hell does he think he is by not accepting the job he should pay lfc respect of instant YES ..
Hopefully he will reject the job offer if he's had one? Maybe the job offer was to be assistant to Rafa? with him taking over in about 3/4 year's time! I'd be very happy with that! but not with him being manager straight away! In Rafa we trust!
Please will you stop with the in Rafa we trust rubbish, he will not be returning, trust me!
25 May 2012 16:06:41
Not sure martinez will be manager for sure but is it just me or is he getting slated before already being given the job? All this crap about his win ratio etc...whats that about. I can't help thinking people rave on about AVB because he has coached overseas recently and done well once or twice. Sure he is a more glamorous looking, sounding prospect but more proven? Better man manager? More liked by players? More appreciated by coaches and managers? How come most premiership managers recognise how amazing the job he has done year in and year out is?
Look at the teams his team beat under pressure, year in and year out. Do you honestly think AVB would have managed better with their budget? Not a chance.
I personally think Martinez will do much better than some people think he will and is it just me but wont he also be really appreciated for the way he comes across. In that sense he reminds me of King Kenny. He will for sure take on board the history and ethos of this great club, and conduct himself brilliant and as a very likable manager who is also likely to give different players a chance to run on the pitch and proove themselves.
I loved Kenny but this was one thing i was disappointed to see that he didnt give people a fair run out when things were bad and needed changing (perhaps)
Gareth
25 May 2012 16:04:41
Liverpool have made an offer to Martinez just hope he doesn't agree to it. Keep on thinking this is all a nightmare and I will wake up! Bring in pep he's the man! Martinez will be sacked in 6-12 months time.
25 May 2012 16:00:22
Roberto Martinez has been offered the chance to manage Liverpool according to Wigan chairman Dave Whelan.
Wigan boss Martinez was in Miami on Thursday for talks with Reds owner JW Henry about succeeding Kenny Dalglish as manager of the Anfield club.
Whelan has confirmed that Liverpool have made an offer to his manager and a decision will be made within the next week.
The only sticking point would appear to be whether Martinez will be given the level of control he demands.
"I have just spoken to Roberto," Whelan told Sky Sports News on Friday. "He went yesterday to Miami and had a very constructive meeting with the owner of Liverpool.
"They're going to talk again on Tuesday. They've made Roberto an offer and he has agreed to consider it.
"He is also aware that I have said 'I'd love to keep you but I need a decision by Wednesday or Thursday of next week'.
"If we lose him we've got to move and appoint someone for Wigan Athletic.
"In the meeting I think they've made him an offer and he's said 'what are my responsibilities'.
"These are American owners and the rules and regulations are a bit different from what we English set down.
"Roberto is a seven days a week, 12 hours a day worker and I don't know whether they realise how hard he works.
"He has rules and regulations to be fully in charge of football and I know he won't move anywhere unless he is fully in charge of the football.
Consideration
"I think he's considering it and I think he'll give it fair consideration."
Asked to clarify whether Martinez is set to become Liverpool's new manager, Whelan added: "I couldn't say that 100% for sure. They have made him an offer, I don't know what that offer is.
"I think he has said thank you for the offer but I only work when I have complete control of football.
"But he's having another meeting with them on Tuesday when he says a decision will be made."
"If he goes to Liverpool we will wish him good luck and get on with the business."
Asked if this meant Wigan are now actively seeking a new manager, Whelan said: "I would never do that until Roberto says one thing or the other. I want desperately to keep Roberto.
"I have said I would like to know one way or the other by next Thursday."
Why is whelan being allowed to be everybodies media spokesman ,try showing a bit of class whelan and keep it shut
25 May 2012 15:52:30
Lads I cannot believe the amount of negativity towards FSG and Roberto Martinez from so called Liverpool fans. FSG have done nothing but try improve the club since coming in, they gave Kenny their full support in last summers transfer market and when he failed to deliver the basic requirement set out of champions league qualification he was sacked and rightly so. You all need to realise Liverpool is now run as a business ans these guys dont care about sentiment or past glories because its of no benefit to them. But when they want and need to make their investment worthwhile is future success. And they will they all they can to achieve this, give FSG and Roberto your full backing and if it doesnt work it doesnt work. We cant fall much further away than we currently are of challenging for the title. A little bit of realism is needed. Good job all these fans and internet bloggers who need instant success werent around before shankly, fagan, daglish got the job- comimg from lowers leagues or with no experience but with everyones full support look what was achieve. I think you all need to start been supporters and stand by what the club is trying to achieve.
Irish Red
Screech, screech, goes the Violin playing in the background.
Its about realism, the worst and cheapest candidate for a bunch of profit hungry Americans.
What have they really done so far!.
The so called yonks saved the club from adminstration. you are foolish to think that you can just flip a switch and make all the problems from the previous owners/managers go away overnight. it will take time to put steady the ship again.
They've done nothing but try to improve the club? And their looking to give the manager's job to a rookie who's only been managing for 4 year's! and that's improving the club is it? Get real! By Christmas he'd of lost the dressing room and be sacked come the new year! De ja vue anyone! i can't believe all these fan's saying oh Martinez is a good coach give a chance! Where were Wigan for most of last season in the bottom 3 so because he had a good 10 game's to get themselves out the mire with nothing to lose they went for it and only just made it! and that warrant's him the manager's job at LFC? My A**E! He's their yes man plus he'll be cheap in wage's! I cannot believe these fan's you's remind me of lamb's to the slaughter! In Rafa we trust!
What have they done Hmmmmm?
Saved us from administration for one and for that alone they deserve some respect.
Gave in to the fans clamour to appont Kenny.
Got rid of said Kenny when the majority of fans called for his head. The same fans who now keep bleating on about what have they done?
They are successful people and maybe now they are deciding to do things as they see fit, to bring the club forward. At least wait to see what they do and then take a break from fantasy land to give the manager some support.
Amazingly, support for any individual does increase the chances of them doing something right in life.
Cork Red Boi
Irish Red fully agree with you!
The posters below probably disagree because they Know how their Boss feels
After employing Them!!
Lyndon!
25 May 2012 15:50:34
Sky Sports News now reporting that Davey Whelan is claiming LFC have made Martinez an offer. Firstly, I for one will be pretty excited if this is true. A young, ambitious manager is what I think we need. And secondly, is it just me that is getting fed up of Whelan? We're trying to do business professionally behind closed doors and he keeps blurting to Sky when it's not even his news to tell. Rant over. ...B-Red
25 May 2012 15:50:27
martinez not number one choice, van gaal is and he's first choice for manager, not DoF. you read it here first
25 May 2012 15:48:31
Its going to be Martinez isnt it?
Sadly
25 May 2012 15:47:40
I'll be surprised if Martinez gets the job. Dave Whelan's opened his mouth again to Sky, and said that he's been made an offer. He says they'll meet again on Tuesday. Martinez wants full control of football, so either he or FSG will have to back down, or they'll find a compromise. I can't see FSG changing their mind on the system they want, and I can't see Martinez be willing to surrender full control. So I'll think they'll both end up saying "Thanks, but no thanks".
25 May 2012 15:46:57
we HAVE to buy Dempsey. He's aggressive, in his prime, american and would fit REALLY well with Suarez / Bellamy / Carroll. And you mark my words, Carroll is going to do really well at the Euros.
25 May 2012 15:46:36
Hi,
I've just seen (from an earlier post) that even Pep is not a proven manager - if this is true then who could manage the club?
Like many I supported Liverpool all my life. I don't remember such arrogance from the fans.
There have been plenty of examples given of manager unproven at a large club, doing well.
I think the rule should be if you gonna post to say, this manager will be rubbish, you should add some substance other than he only managed Wigan, Swansea etc
The problem with the internet is that as well as real fans the place is full of a combination of kids who probably couldn't point to Liverpool on a map let alone have even set foot inside Anfield and keyboard warriors all too happy to type nonsense that they would never be so daft t speak in public.
I agree Martinez is probably as good as we'll get at the moment. He has done well at both Wigan and Swansea with limited resources, made good signings and played proper pass-and-move football that was the signature of the great Liverpool teams of the 70s and 80s.
Guardiola was never going to come to a team not in the ECL and with the budget to sign the Messis an Iniestas of the world.
Bob
25 May 2012 15:46:31
hey eds/Macca, is it true about us offering Martinez the job? and that he wants full control?
Thanks
Kindest Regards
25 May 2012 15:44:07
So tuesday it will be confirmed.
Welcome to Liverpool Robbie, give it your best!!
We will all support you, and we hope you get of to a flier with some good football.
( however i do wish dave whelan would stfu, does he just want attention or something? )
Ben the red
Er speak for yourself mate. I will not support him. I want Rafa back.
Rafa weve told you again and again, please stop posting!!
You won't support him? Go support citeh then you muppet
"I want Rafa back", "I want Rafa back". Jesus its like a little kid wailing and blarting cos he's lost a favourite toy!
I have huge respect for the bloke but he ran his course with us, in fact he went a season too far and one of the reasons he was allowed to go on a season too far and damage the club, which he did, was all the blind "in Rafa we trust"
brigade. Thick as sh*ep
Chris in Tamworth {Ed002's Note -
Chris, if could shake your hand, i would! Great post mate.
Carb
Please, somebody out there give Rafa a job to stop him posting on here. Oh wait , maybe most intelligent owners realise the mess he made at Inter after he left Liverpool. Only Rafa, could take a treble winning team to 6th in the league, lose a 46 game unbeated home record, and then have the audacity to demand new signings as the answer to his self made mess (sound familiar). RAFA, RAFA, RAFA, NO, NO, NO. Christ when will people get over the fact that he blew his chance, go follow RAFA wherever he ends up if ye love him that much.
Cork Red Boi
So Chris you'd rather have an inexperienced manager who's won nothing to one that's won 2 La Liga's 1 UEFA cup 1 CL 1 super cup 1 FA cup and had us ranked No.1 in Europe for 2/3 season's! If you do Chris then your a Tosser! In Rafa we trust!
Chris...you do talk alot of sense most of the time but i have to disagree with your assessment on this occassion.
rafa was sacked because of a political storm, not football reasons, namely him versus H & G and especially purslow, who for those not in the know, was simply an RBS crony. its abattle he was always going to lose. us finishing 7th was the icing on the cake H&G needed, particularly Hicks, as it was all down to a power struggle.
i am not blind, as you state, i can see perfectly well thanks very much and right now, rafa is exactly what we need.
someone who is going to come in and take control of the situation, without having to take time to get to know the lay of the land. he knows the training set-up, academy, and anfield.
he'd have most of the fans on board, he'd have better owners to deal with rather than the last lot and most importantly, he'll have an affinity to the club. he loves liverpool more than most can comprehend.
RM, BR and AvB would all do a steady job but none have that affinity, which Roy didn't either, and as such a few bad results and the pressure gauge will rise. with Rafa - we wouldn't do that. the owners might but i think he knows how to play the fans and he would.
let's not forget his good work - he was the one who brought rodolfo and pep segura over from barca (pep via olympiacos) to implement the same strategy for the academy. it's working.
he was the one who brought the big players - torres, alonso, reina, mascherano when given the right level of money, and made them play. oh how i wish for nights like 4-0 v madrid, or the 4-1 at the OT. boring/negative? if it gets results like it nearly did when we came 2nd, i'd take it. yes he made mistakes in that season but i'm sure as sure can be that even HE will have learnt from that.
and he was the one who brought KK back into the fold, realising his value to the club (like bobby charlton at utd)
we could sit here all night and pick holes in his so called bad signings, but tell me a manager who hasn't made one or 2? even the mighty fergie/wenger have made some major cock-ups (bebe for £7m anyone? watched on a dvd?).
rafa was dealing with the out of contract players as he didn't have the funds to buy his 1st/2nd choices, particularly in the last 2 seasons. if he could've bought even his 2nd choices, i'm sure we wouldn't be having this conversation.
right now for me it would a great positive solution to the problem.
however i can see why they wouldn't want to go to rafa (all this control thing is secondary) and that is the same as with KK - it becomes difficult to dismiss him as he is so popular. however with the right caveats in place i do believe he would go for it (accepting a lower wage?) and with him concentrating mainly on managing the 1st team of his choice, i can see that working.
Bottom line - i will support whoever they bring in and am happy for them to take their time, as long as it is clear what the strategy is. but if i had to choose... i'd happily take rafa back, as i believe he has unfinished business with Fergie to sort out....
sinner21
To the poster above, im sure what Chris would rather have, along with many other millions of Liverpool fans is the club move forward, instead of constantly backwards and lookin backwards, whats the point in wantin to move forward, but re-hiring everyone from the past? Its pointless and it is seriously gettin old and boring fast!
Carb
25 May 2012 15:43:59
Dave Whelan told Sky that Martinez has been made an offer by FSG to be manager of LPF. They will meet again on Tuesday.
Time now to just get this settled, as it is clearly going to be Martinez. Pep's announcement that he will come back to the game next season seems to suggest he will be going to Chelsea.
We need some decent buys now.
Lol. chelsea going for pep n we are perusing martinez . wow great that shows how much we have dropped down,
i know there is no guaranty that pep will come out good , means even this can happen that martinez comes out really good , n pep fails, anything can happen forget that for few seconds
just think like , i mean hodgson , kenny dallglish(was never a right choice, mean to say good coach but not long term solution, n his absence from managing showed the way he handled transfers like go all english,n old theories ,) and now martinez ..even the signings , last yer athletico madrid bought falcao,arda turan etc. n we brough adams, downing ...just shows how much mediocre they are , and its not abt money , a manger is a hard n sole of a club, n also it shows clubs value, if we can pay 35miln for carool, then surely buy any top manager ,insted of a wanna be good manager who has only experiance at top level is relegation battles ,no europe,no champianships,
see the diference
like manu-furguson,
mancity-mancini,
arsenal - wenger,
chevesky -pep(or may be some one another big) ... n liverpool- martinez , guys im strictly talking abt the way affaires are handled at this club, may martinez come good il be happiest fan like u, and even i can run my footballing brain to sound martinez as more good n bla bla.
but this cycle of mediocrity will never end now,
this was a chance bringing in a top manager having some credit to his name n fame in europe who could have helped us sign some exiting talent (only thing martinez can bring is the wigan lads lol), n we could have been ther in top 4.
signing hodgson,martinez ,kenny as manger giving them money to buy crap , n hoping to crack this toughest league is stupidity
25 May 2012 15:43:31
There's some woolly thinking going here. One doesn't need to be a football expert. You don't have to give a winner 'a chance', because that is what he is, a winner. Losers get a chance if they are lucky, because that is what they are losers.
Martinez almost drove Wigan down a division. A lucky loser. If Wigan were relegated, and it was on the cards at one time. The name Martinez would never have been mentioned.
Martinez has been sounded out as their yes man! that won't cost them that much wage's and if they sack him! get use to the penny pinching! In Rafa we trust!
25 May 2012 15:43:31
Who's to say that any manager coming in will get it right ? Get us back into the top 4 ?
I'm not keen on Roberto Martinez, but i think he deserves a chance just like anyone else
Why AVB ? Why BR ? Why LVG ? I'd rather see a younger manager come in with the time to build a successful team, and i hope FSG give the new man time to build and not think it's going to happen over night, so why not RM ? AVB won the championship in a 2 team league, ok he won the Europa league, but come on, he did nothing at Chelsea other than get the sack for poor performances
I think AVB would eventually have done a good job if he'd had had the time and backing from the owner and staff, so why don't everyone get behind RM if he is selected and back him to build a team to get back up there
I think through all the crap this season, these owners are building the club the right way, and if not next season, you will see this club make improvements in every area and push for major honors on all fronts
I'm actually quite looking forward to an anouncement on the managers position and also the type if players he'd like to bring into the club, and you lot should be too....Get behind him and the club and lets start moving up that hill to where we want to be
ReDDaZ
Well why LVG? because he has been there and done it for years, hiring him would not be a gamble, the odds of him succeeding are far higher than the odds of him failing, due to his knowledge his experience.
hiring Martinez is a massive gamble due to his lack of experience his lack of knowledge in coaching a top football team. there is a massive difference in coaching a team to not get beat to coaching a team to win!
cobra
Im also not against martinez buddy, a good manager will become even better with experience, but real problem lies in your post itself.
you said he deserves a chance, a chance? like ok let me try this may be i can do it lol. why not then run a competition for all the hopefull managers to have a chance at out club? why not let even me and u participate in it ? just like we gave hodgson chance? just like we gave kenny chance? (though circumstances were different at kennys time but , it was clear that kenny's tactics, his signings, everything was old he wasnt the future for us ,that chance cost 100ilns to us. ) now let give martinez the chance? then if he fails lets be ready for oniell or rogers? this is a joke.
i do know big names also flop you never know but there is a pride prestige that runs through this club certainly not worthy of a relation expert manager , he has no european pedigree , no experience in europe ,no winning habits no championships to his name, have only manged swansea in championship n wigan in relegation , 36% winning record overall.
you need to think big, if you want to win you need to think like a winner 1st of all.
mayurr
So ReDDAZ for keeping Wigan 16th 17th for the last 3 season's he deserve's his chance? you's are all easily pleased and when it go'es tit's up what will you's shout then? We should of got Rafa back! In Rafa we trust!
25 May 2012 15:43:22
Is it me or is everyone getting annoyed that the Wigan Chairman Dave Whelan is giving the media a blow by blow account of what FSG and Martinez are up to?
He should keep his nose out, if that's how he wants to run his club fair enough, but surely this has nothing to do with him.
Henry et al may well want Martinez, but surely it is up to them to update Liverpool fans as and when there is something to say - that is after all 'the Liverpool way' {Ed002's Note - It has plenty to do with him.}
He's probably gutted he's loosing Martinez?
It's got everything to do with Dave Whelan you numpty! Haven't you noticed that Roberto Martinez is employed by Dave Whelan as manager of Wigan Athletic?
If Martinez gets the job then woohoo, look at Wigan, having their manager poach by a massive club. If he doesn't, it's irrelevant coz he's already set the publicity train in motion. Whelan can't lose here.
25 May 2012 15:12:06
Eds, why are some LFC fans such spoilt little brats. They are making me sick some of them. I know we have sites like this to debate things and not all of us will agree, but to say you will stop supporting your team because of who MIGHT be the manager is so childish, in fact I would not expect that from my own child.
A question for you Ed's, I know some of you disagree about the names we have been linked with, but would you consider not supporting your clubs based on whether you deemed the manager not good enough?
How do supporters of teams such as Huddersfield for example or Preston North end keep their supporters I wonder, should they all be aspiring to get Pep now he has said he is willing to come back early?
People forget we were not always successful, we have had our time when we were yoyo-ing between the first and second division. Football is cyclical and we will have our time again, so why not just support the team and see where we end up.
Slimboy
Mate, Martinez has to be a success or else he is gone.
Sadly he is not good enough for LFC.
FSG = Fools Seeking Gold!
Or
FSG=footballs sexy generation
Len
25 May 2012 14:48:21
Ed do you think there is a chance liverpool may approach rene girard? {Ed002's Note - Nope.}
25 May 2012 14:47:32
Ed's great site and the best for info, keep up the great work. As a first time poster i was wondering has the idea of appointing or approaching Txiki Begiristain for DOF gone completely out the window seeing as there is now talk of van gaal. Personally I dont think we will get either of them. Would have thought AVB and Txiki would have been ideal. Both proven winners in winning teams. Martinez has only shown how to keep a team ticking over, and I think appointing him as manager would be a big mistake and we would not move forwards but only stay the same or fall further behind. But here's to hoping I'm wrong. {Ed002's Note - I really don't know what is happening with the role.}
25 May 2012 14:32:24
hey eds...there is a rumour that Brendon Rodgers is in America...is that true??
25 May 2012 15:38:44
Sky Sports News report that Wigan chairman Dave Whelan says Liverpool have made Latics boss Roberto Martinez an offer after talks with the club.
25 May 2012 15:38:43
Whelan has told SSN that LFC have made an offer to Martinez. Decision likely to be announced Tuesday/Wednesday next week. I think we need LVG in place to offer us all a bit of confidence and hope. Martinez might be one for the future, but can't see how he would attract big names to the club. We should support him regardless and not decide his failure before he has even started (like Woy). YNWA
100% correct
Lvg is rafa in disguise, falls out with everyone..............
25 May 2012 15:38:17
Liverpool-kop just stated that Whelan has confirmed that liverpool have offered Martinez the job? Ed's you guys know anything has he been offered it and said he will consider it?
25 May 2012 15:37:51
I can't take credit for the following as it was taken from another forum but think it fits with the current mood - If you are embarrassed to be a Liverpool fan, don't worry, you're not.
Scottish Fiend
25 May 2012 15:37:45
Getting annoyed with all the posts from the so called fans. I'm not supporting liverpool anymore if they hire martinez as manager????
Pathetic, jog on!!
Liverpool supporters, (real ones) support the team, if like at any club, they win the championship or get relegated, they stick by THERE team.
Who ever is the new manager, let us REAL fans give them the backing they need!
(Great site guys, keep up the good work)
Simo85
J4T96
Y.N.W.A
There's only so much you can take. You sometimes have to question yourself when the owners put you through so much she*p.
But were all going through this together, you dont see me throwing in the towell and throwing my rattle out the cot.
If liverpool were to win the league title next season, all the fans who have been abusing the owners/manager will say they backed them all along. Very fickle fans on here indeed, its embarrasing to the club and to the real fans.
As i have seen on this site from a comment, its the club who picks you, not you who picks the club!!
25 May 2012 15:37:28
Eds fellow reds .why dont fsg just tell everyone martinez is manager instead of pissing around sooner we know the sooner we can prepare for the relegation battle. Cheers psv ps I think the owners are deluded
25 May 2012 15:36:58
looking increasing likely it will be martinez after the an offer was made. I was him the very best should he get the job. YNWA
25 May 2012 15:36:44
Worrying times I'm lfc my family r lfc people I'm getting to speak to and from wot I'm seeing on here sum not all are getting very jumpy and it's easy for us to say goodbye f!k o!f etc but from a business point ov view less people to get people to support are club ie buying shirts wall paper posters DVDs etc etc you get the point and them people get others to do the same as I have done took my families kids to games friends kids etc that wot happen to me many years ago I think that most lfc do the same so from a business sooner or later the club will lose out £££££££ we should maybe try and be calm and not tell them all to get f!ked if this is wot happen here wot about places like Norway Sweden other parts ov Europe and Asia we need the club to give us Hope yes Hope that all we need at the moment then a chance to compete I think the club will do that and abit ov ££ for transfers keep the faith and let's stick together and keep spreading the word that is lfc
YNWA lfc linc
25 May 2012 15:35:57
Wheel an sayin fsg made him an offer but Martinez wants total control of footballing matters and terms have not yet been arranged. This man won't shut up will he
Eric the red
25 May 2012 15:34:42
BBC and SSN reporting we have made Martinez an offer.......according to DW that is!
Good luck to him if it's right!
25 May 2012 15:34:09
martinez offered the job, dont know what to think..would personally prefer AVB but will support martinez and look forward to seeing how the team plays
25 May 2012 15:27:37
Day three and the Boston tea party has moved on to Miami vice. FSG were very impressed with Martinez's repertoire of Sonny Crockett one liners and his ability at short notice to spot a bargain flight from Barbados to Miami thereby saving FSG having to fork out a much more expensive flight from Barbados to Boston. FSG's enthusiasm for Martinez bargain hunting skills however soon petered out once Billy Beane's son pointed out to them that his Moneyballs computer algorithms required any bargain hunting to be undertaken by the DOF and not the coach. AVB meanwhile (like the Chelsea dressing room last season) has managed to lose his passport and flight tickets to Miami and is now reported to be out of the running. The sudden re-emergence of Guardiola has given FSG a real Pep up and food for thought. FSG however hold serious concerns as to whether Pep has enough experience to manage LFC. A particular concern is that no one knows how Pep would react to losing 2 games in a row. FSG have no such concerns with Martinez as he managed to lose 8 in a row last season yet emerged unscathed and with his reputation enhanced. May the 4th be with us. Reality Red
25 May 2012 15:27:34
LFC make Martinez an offer..... Decision on Tuesday,
Who needs Sky Sports when you have Dave Whelan.
Daniel Rogers.
25 May 2012 15:24:30
According to wigan chairman liverpool have made Martinez an offer
25 may 2012 15:23:25
dave whelan: liverpool have made roberto an offer
source sky sports
25 May 2012 15:17:18
Hi eds, whats happpening with klopp, has he decided he made the wrong decision? 'cause he's gone up loads in bookies? {Ed002's Note - Nothing is happening with Klopp.}
25 May 2012 15:17:15
Hi eds was just looking to set your opinion do u think Liverpool would give Martinez the control he wanted if the wigan chairman is anything to go by he would want full control of football at the club
Thanks
Irish red
{Ed002's Note - Without knowing any detail it is not really possible to answer this.}
25 May 2012 15:17:14
Roberto Martinez offered roll of manager with conditions, but Martinez wants total control, more talks scheduled for Tuesday.
25 May 2012 15:32:22
Bbc are reprting that Liverpool have made an offer to wigan for Roberto Martinez according to dave whelan, this could be true or not have the Eds or Macca heard anything on this or are we still just getting crap from the media
Thanks for all your hard work
dragon3383
25 May 2012 15:32:22
Why is everyone acting like Martinez has got the job? These rumours are coming from the same papers that linked us with every player under the sun last silly season, the same ones that picked at every word that came out of Dalglish's mouth, in order to make LFC look a laughing stock. The same ones that crucified the club over Suarez, yet leave Chelsea be over Terry. It is common knowledge that not many LFC supporters want Martinez to get the job, it is the MEDIA that is making it look like LFC is in crisis - and also, what better way to do this than by pushing and pushing the story that Martinez will be our next manager? And i'm not saying I don't want him to be, he could be incredible with some financial backing and better players, we don't know he will fail! But that point aside, stop acting like it's set in stone!
Also, where are the stories coming from about Pep? That's right, the papers! If he would really consider moving straight into another job, and wants to come to the EPL (which I doubt - he said he wants a break!) then why are people so sure he would be good for us? Barcelona are absolute class! Sure Pep would have the managerial pulling power to bring in better players, but would he really want to stick around for the number of years it would take to make LFC great again? On top of that, would we all be calling for his head if after a year we don't finish in the top 4? If he did have the choice of CFC or us, and was more tempted by the wad of cash in Roman's back pocket than bringing a wonderful historic club back to it's glory days, then he's not the manager we need, and he's obviously not up to the challenge.
If you ask me, you don't need to be an amazing manager to bring glory to a club with all the cash in the world, I admire managers like Pardew, Rodgers, Wenger (despite his flaws), who can get a below par squad performing, or pick out an unknown young player with unbelievable talent a mile off, and then get them for bargain price. This is what we need right now. We clearly don't have the cash to compete with City and Chelsea, or the form from the last twenty years to compete with Utd, for the big guns. We need staff who can pick out a player from some unwatched league somewhere, who have the observation and knowledge to know they would fit in well in the EPL and suit our style of play.
As much as anything, this is a time of change for us, and it should be exciting! This could go really well! Do you all think Mourinho and Pep were born into a managerial role at a huge club? They all started somewhere. Our new manager, whoever that may be, should at least have our backing and support, because they sure as hell will fail if were not behind them, and if they have the full backing of all the supporters, maybe, just maybe, they'll bring us some hope.
25 May 2012 15:31:19
I think everybody deserves a chance or a second chance in life. Roy got it, Kenny got it and now whoever gets it should be backed accordingly. The most prominent candidate is Martinez right now...let's not brand him a failure before he gets a chance to prove his worth...He may prove to be the very best...never know and let's hope so...Nobody knew Kenny could manage when he took over LFC the 1st time...Nobody knew Mourinho before Porto and Chelsea, Benitez before Valencia, Pep Guardiola before Barcelona and so many others...So, even if Martinez is appointed, we should get to back him and more importantly the club. If he isn't given the opportunity, how on earth will he be able to prove the critics wrong?? And I think LFC is just 2 or 3 class players away from challenging for top honours again.
25 May 2012 15:31:03
Martinez has been offered the job! For christ sake owners!!
25 May 2012 15:30:55
3 words - What a Shame.
Thats all I have to same, lots of good, winning, experienced managers out there - and a real opportunity for FSG to lay down a marker to world football that they mean business - they really have no idea when it comes to football.
NS
25 May 2012 15:30:29
According to sky Martinez offered the job jus wages etc to be sorted. Let's get right behind him good luck Roberto I for 1 am glad ur getting the job
25 May 2012 15:28:31
Once again as liverpool fans we have been made the laughing stock of the prem, mr whelan at wigan has just been on slysports letting the world no weve offered martinez th job nd he needs to think about it !!
These yanks are ruining our club appointing martinez is a clear indication there will be no funds and no champs league in the future.
I ask you what has martinez done in his career that makes him worthy of managing the most successful club in england and for those who think dodging relegation with no funds for the last 3 yearsis worthy look at the moyes at everto. I was under the impression them idiots from america wanted winners so why appoint martinez.
Redted75
25 May 2012 15:15:05
Guardiola would want control of the team, which is not really possible with FSG plan with DOF. I don't see him as a realistic target. Chelsea on the other hand, would surely throw whatever money he wanted, so unless Guardiola is a ridiculously principled man, he will go to Chelsea. If he is as inteliigent as he seems however, he might recall how Chelsea treated their last young hero of a manager AVB and look the other way. I hope this is the case. It would be a fabulous coup for Liverpool to get him. It would still take some time for him to transform us, so I wouldn't be expecting fire works next season.
Coop
As a pose to what liverpool did with one of its greatest legends as manager?? I hope we could get him but i have my doubts.
cheers
Daryll
25 May 2012 15:14:29
Whelan just said liverpool have gave martinez an offer and he is consideriing it and will meet on tuesday next week
Scotty
25 May 2012 15:11:36
Guardiola only says he needs a month off to recharge his batteries and will listen to offers. He wants a club with a challenge and one that can seduce him. So why aren't we going for. Surely a club like Liverpool could seduce him and give him a new challenge.
German Red.
25 May 2012 15:09:31
Dave Whelan is an effing disgrace. Sky sports should hire him as a reporter.
GScoffa
Dave Whelan is fully entitled to talk about his employees as he see's fit, regardless of what he's talking about, Whelan currently pays Martinez's wage. As it stands, LFC are currently doin things the LFC way, behind closed doors.
Carb
25 May 2012 15:07:51
support the owners, stop moaning, have a bit of patience and keep the faith, all will be okay
ynwa
25 May 2012 15:06:31
I am a KK fan, always will be, player, player manager, manager and mostly true legend who helped so many after Hillsborough. But I am a LFC fan and will support Martinez, not my choice of manager however if he does well I'm sure I will change my mind! We are fickle as supporters arent we! I do hope they find a position for Van Gaal, then I would be happier. Interesting times ahead.
YNWA EVO
25 May 2012 15:05:49
Hi (EDS) Macca and Fellow Reds.
Roberto Di Matteo Was sacked by West Brom and people were slagging him off. He is now a a big hero with Chelsea fans and the players. He has done a fantastic job and deserves a chance to receive at least a 2 year
contract for his efforts.
Martinez, may very well do something great for us. it's not out of the question. I don't think it's that vital we win a trophy, however we must improve greatly in the league and if we qualify for the Champions League; then that will do me fine. We will be heading in the right direction and if we achieve this goal; Martinez will be my hero.
25 May 2012 14:51:15
I think that we have to give these owners a chance to build our football club in the way they think will be the most successful. we have not been run like a great club should for a long long time now and this may be the new broom that sweeps clean and starts over. remember these owners chase business success like old liverpool used to accumulate league titles. maybe this is exactly what we need. we need to jump into the modern day ways but keep the old traditions alive which i think they are aware of and want to do. Success has to be from top to bottom. boardroom to bootroom. youngsters to seniors etc. they know this and from what theyve done across the usa lends one to believe that there will be money available and players will be bought for the right price. and whoever gets the managers job, us as liverpool fans, need to be 100% behind them. thats the old tradition we need to keep. support the team through the good, the bad and the ugly. lets just give them a chance. they did save us from the misery of the previous pair of pieces of shyte.
Wayne
How many club in prem. have a
dof,how many are successful... {Ed002's Note - Chelsea have won the league three times in recent years.}
25 May 2012 14:44:48
Not being funny, but why is everyone such an amazing football authority that they know Martinez is a terrible appointment? Has he taken over a bug club before and failed? No. He has no prior form. Nobody knows how he's going to do. All we can look at is the facts. He had Swansea and wigan playing attractive football. He's had no major transfer budget and each season has to replace players that are bought by bigger clubs.
What do you want instead....Benitez's negative tactics? Or Capello....think he got the boot from r.Madrid for negatives oh, and also AVB, who was negative.
For god's sake, give him a chance. Isn't it better to see how he does, he may be amazing with some good players and some money to spend.
Pieboy1812
Great Post! People need to chill out and give the man a chance. Remember, every big manager has to start somewhere!
25 May 2012 14:40:41
Many posters on this site are obsessed with Martinez's win statistics. I think owners are looking at more than just stats.
Martinez was an analyst for ESPN's World Cup coverage here in the States two summers ago. He was very impressive.
This media appeal is extremely important in the States. So I am not in the least bit surprised by their interest in Martinez. The "crusty-old-manager-in-a-tracksuit" routine just does not cut it anymore. As DiMatteo said recently, Guardiola is the role model for his generation of managers: well-dressed, fluent in several languages, and media-friendly.
True dat. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Ian Holloway changed his entire footballing philosophy after attending a seminar on football coaching given by a certain Mr R. Martinez.
Len
25 May 2012 14:34:45
too much negative thinking , whatever the decision lets back fsg the new manager and the players . on the managment front if pep would be open to talks then surely fsg have to make that talk BUT as good a manager as pep maybe he had a already great team to manage ? martinez i think is a good manager and possibly with borrell as n.o 2 a top man for DOF could be a winning team ?
25 May 2012 14:32:46
A couple of weeks ago a poster said that Guardiola had been contacted by the owners. Apparently G. said he would get back with an answer at the end of the season.
I believe the "I'm taking a year off" position was done for political purposes. Like Rodgers declining an interview, it was said for appearances sake, to avoid the brouhaha from being seen to be leaving the club for another.
From what I understand, Guardiola (and Beguiristain) do not get along with current Barca board at all. So the real reason for his departure could have little to do with "I'm tired". As such, I would not be at all surprised to learn that Guardiola has joined another club next month.
What is interesting is that "seduced" implies that his decision will not be driven by money. If he turned down a blank check from Chelsea, as reported in the media a few weeks ago, the situation suddenly becomes very interesting for Liverpool fans.
PG is NOT going to Liverpool. We have appointed Martinez laready.
25 May 2012 14:29:51
Here we go again!
The herds talking of 'give the man a chance'! and claiming anyone who disapproves is not a true fan!
When are we going to learn?
The same clowns who wanted Woy given a chance, are now asking for Martinez to get his chance, as they asked for KK last summer.
KK was the perfect choice for the second half of the season to replace Hodgson.
He was a poor choice for last year though as we should have brought a seasoned modern tactician in, with money spent on proper players to compete.
Newcastle proved how astute they are at spending Comoli's millions, whilst he proved why earned the right to be unemployed.
Well back in the relegation zone then.
I never thought we would be like the likes of Notts Forrest or Leeds, .... 'once a giant of the game .....'!?
God help us.
Excerpts taken from a Liverpool Echo Poster
Its an excellent post
LD
Excellent or pathetic?
McSnuggles
Dear LD - it's called being a supporter. Go join MCFC or the next club to buy success. If the club goes through a rough time you have to go with it and take whatever comes.
Seriously you must be deluded. who ever the manager is it wouldn't of been good enough for you because only someone like guardiola would of been good enough for you. Well he isnt going to want the Job we aren't playing champs l football. The famous words and song that we all love and sing which is the heart of liverpool football club and has been shouted on some iconic occasions i.e champs league half time 2005 ' You'll never walk alone' . Think about what it means and stop moaning. Go and do it somewhere else.
But if people had suggested PArdew there would be people up in arms about that, yet he proved what some astute buying can do.
Why are we so down on martinez being able to do this, with rarely any money, Newcastle have bigger revnues and the money we gave them, yet they were great. Whose to say with a better budget and a better set up and fanbase that Liverpool have that he can't do a good job. In what other job can you be ridiculed before actually doing anything, it's a joke.
I'm pretty certain it was H&G who hired Hodgson and when FSG came in they sacked him
25 May 2012 14:25:42
liverpool should sign martinez as manager van gaal as sporting director
players: hulk or demba ba , l.diarra,kagawa,dempsey,armero
I should have a big busty barmaid and be able to play golf like tiger woods
Why should "should" become a reality
Hulk - no chance (expressed interest in Chelsea)
Demba Ba - no thanks, injury prone
Lass Diara - would be good, but would be cover to Lucas & no doubt behind Adam.
Kagawa - i wish but probably goin to Utd
Dempsey - yes please, but unlikely
Armero - possible but doubt it.
Personally, i'd add Kesuike Honda, as i've expressed before along with i believe Ed001, Honda is unbelievable, 24 yrs old and has massive potential, if we did buy him, possible Gerrard replacment?
Carb
Lass.Diarra to replace Jay Spearing, £7m
Dempsey to replace Kuyt, £10m
Armero to replace Aurelio, £6m
Luuk De Jong - need another goal scorer, £13m
Jovetic - need creativity, £15m
= £51m
sell
Aquilani £5m
Cole £5m
Maxi £1m
Kuyt £4m
Adam £5m
Eccleston £500k
Darby end of contract
Pacheco £2m or keep him
£20m
£51m - £20m = £31m
Promote Toni Silva to the first team as he is the most ready technically and physically. He has Pace, skill on the ball, good touch, powerful driving runs and he loves playing wide on the touch line and cutting in he also as good crossing abilities.
25 May 2012 14:19:58
If Roberto Martinez gets the job the LFC will lose an awful lot of fans, and im one of them, i wont support a club who that is going backwards consistently. We are LFC for gods sake, Its not good enough and i wont be happy if he's given the job, Ludo..
Good it's idiots (wish I could use a worse word) like you that let the club down
Wow, clearly not either a decent fan or a very knowledgeable person!
Go wave plastic flags at the chavs you tool
You are A Sad excuse for a Fan!!
You sound like my Six yr old
Lyndon
You can leave right now
You are clearly not LFC. Please leave our club.
Jack D.
If you can't back the Club then support someone else,how embarrassing...
With your foresight you'd better the Euromillions on tonight eh...
Umm i'm sorry but WHAT? You don't pick which team to support, the team picks you! You don't give up when the going gets tough! To be honest, i'm not bothered for the club's support base if 'supporters' who can be swayed by their team not winning everything want to leave. LFC isn't a club for glory hunters, it's a club for football supporters with passion, and heart. for supporters who follow a club with real history, who haven't paid for their success. I heard Man City are doing well, why don't you head over that way!
So you are not a true fan. End of story.
solidair
Liverpool dont need "fans" like you go support City
FanfromIndia
They aren't real fans then
Good - GO!! Hopefully without part-time supporters like you wasting tickets at the match we can get the atmosphere back to what it should be at Anfield. Then hopefully the players will remember to play like they're at Anfield. Whoever comes in to manage they will Never Walk Alone and neither will the true fans. Enjoy your glory hunting mate but don't come back to us when we have the glory days again - which we will because WE are Liverpool Football Club.
Liverpool does not need a fan like yourself!
I liked the "We are LFC...." comment.
No pal. You are not LFC. You are a pleb.
Tristan
Showing your true colours there then Ludo. Perhaps the club will better off without your sort of support. I understand your frustration but patience is needed and I for one would still support my beloved LFC even if they were in the Conference league.
Cornish Red
Bye bye
Redpath
Are you serious? LFC is LFC no matter who's in charge.
What are you going to do not watch our team on Sky.
True "supporters" like yourself, I am sure, will be sadly missed.
Good. Lock the door on the way out. Stamford Bridge will take you for a year or so.
'Proper' fans will support Liverpool no matter what! You my friend won't be MISSED as a supporter.. Has Martinez failed in management in terms of expectations at any club he has been at? NO!
I'm sure the club will miss your optimism and unfailing loyalty, it's so sad to see such an ardent supporter like yourself leave Ludo.
Cork Red Boi
You complete muppet !
We don't need prawn sandwich fans like you. LFC all my life and till I die, whether we are premier league or vauxhaul conference (god forbid!)
That's fantastic! I'm sure whoever you go and support instead will be over the moon to gain a fan like you!
Myk
Then go support Man Utd, u seem like one of their gloryhunting "fans"
Really? You'd stop supporting a team because of the manager? Bye then! Goin backwards you say? Do you see half the posts on this site? Benitez, Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, half of the fans are livin in the past so it seems goin backwards is the best thing!
But seriously, Martinez is a good manager, your judgin a man who has managed Wigan, which, with no disrespect to them are not exactly a title challengin side, he's also spent pennies on transfers and worked miracles, half of the players he's sold have gone to bigger clubs, similar to Moyes, ok Everton manager but you cant deny he has done miracles with literally no transfer budget. The only way we are goin to know if Martinez is right for us is by giving him a chance, what chance does he have when he's bein slated before even bein offered a job? If he seen this website, im pretty sure he wouldnt bother.
Carb
To all the posters above, how childish your response has been.
Allow the man to express his opinion, afterall its called democracy.
Shame on all of you for being so intolerant.
Its because of attitudes like this that the club is disliked.
Democracy works both ways muppet. He expressed his opinion, the thing is that it seems a majority of fans dislike his sentiments and have expressed their opinions. That is Democracy in action.
Red Irish Fan
25 May 2012 14:17:52
Let's get something straight right now, pep will not be joining us, for any fans that are delusional enough to think he will, I hate to burst your bubble but he won't
Are you always this pessimistic?
It's not an opinion when he's just abusing
The Club!
Lyndon
25 May 2012 14:13:58
The next wrong move by these clueless yonks and it looks like we will have to be on the march again showing them they can't use and abuse our club!! You lemmings can blow smoke up there apse all you like from your computer screens and from the pub with your give them a chance attitude, we will be marching before the games again and letting them know that you don't mess with us or our club!!
Waro {Ed002's Note - You need to get your "Martinez In" flags waving before you can wave your "Martinez Out" flags Waro.}
Jesus, what are all you "lemmings" on about now about these owners?
It's as if they've not spent any of their own money buying the club, or investing in the club, and are looking forward to investing more in the club...
Oh, wait.
Idiots :(
McSnuggles
Waro, you are a disgrace mate
Are you for real this is possibly the most uneducated (stupid for the gut who wrote it) post I have seen in ages
Time to wipe the dust off the Rafatola for the Long March, is it? Oh boy.
Next wrong move? What was the first one. You we want success now idiots just want want some rich Arabs to come and turn us into man city don't you. The Americans may not know anything about football they admitted that when they bought us so they surrounded themselves with people who do. I need some work doing on my house I'll pay you a fortune if you can do it in a day if not I'll sack you and sue you for wasting my time. What do you know about running a multi million £ business. Nothing is my guess. Fsg have been doin it for years and I'm sure the people in charge at the time would make absolutely sure not to make the h&g mistake again if not then there to blame not fsg who by the way have already spent hundreds of millions on the club. My god I would hate to work for you. Let's face it none of us know what goes on behind the scenes and why should we. Stop living in the past and move with times you never know fsg might just revolutionise the way a football club is run and set an example for the rest to follow but that's impossible with dusty old fart living in the past fans like you. And to the rest of the older fans. Think yourself lucky you were around to see all the success that made us so famouse in the first place all I have seen is champions league win and a couple of cups but I'm still here wearing my shirt with pride. And I'm not having a go at all the older fans just the ones unwilling to give the new guys a chance and think we should still be challenging for league titles. Sorry for the long post but these fsg bashes have been doin my head in since kk was sacked and we don't know the real reason behind that so give it a rest. Ps sorry if I offended the older fans who aren't fsg bashers.
Eric the red
I think we should wait and see what happens before any marches are organised. If the club gets any success will you be frustrated Waro? What will you do?
Before I go to them game I won't be involved in any march till they all of had time. I will have a pint and go and sing my heart out as usual.
Drama thats what you lot have got used to with your marches and supporters groups.
Come on then Brains who do you want running the club? Bearing in mind that there is not a bottomless pit of sheiks out there!
Mike
Waro, you really are a t**t. The owners have done nothing wrong. They have fired two under-performing managers. I don't agree Martinez is the right choice, but they've done nothing wrong up until now so I'll certainly give Martinez a chance (just please don't do anything stupid Roberto like sign Bent for £30m!)
Ash
25 May 2012 14:10:34
i've never said this before but after reading some of the comments on here i'm actually embarrassed to be a liverpool supporter,i'm not embarrassed by the club but the amount of nameless idiots that are posting on here slating martinez even though he hasn't even been offered the job,whoever is given the job i will give them my full suport because there the manager of my club and that's how it should be,just one question for all the martinez haters,why isn't he good enough to manage us ? because he's only managed swansea and wigan ?all managers have to 'cut there teeth somewhere' which martinez has done,just one other thing that's really hacking me off is another daft question people keep asking,would any of the top 6 employ martinez,answer who cares what they'd do,we're liverpool football club so stop worrying about what others might or might not do.
paul d
Absolutely, say he goes to another club, is successful there, then these same fans will say we should have signed him & would then blame the club for not signing him.
I'm right behind you
Big red g
Well said fella it sickens me to see the attitude of some people on here. Just comfort yourself with the knowledge a few can make a lot of noise on a forum like this, 99% of fans are still behind the club
Well said!!
Waro, why don't YOU buy the club and employ who YOU want, and then YOU take the criticism when we draw the first game and the world is about to implode on itself
25 May 2012 14:07:40
now i think it is becoming more obvious that the owners would give martinez the job...i would urge fellow fans to back whoever manager comes in lets move forward
Agree!
25 May 2012 14:03:00
Who thinks Martinez is going to make us a giant European force to be reckoned with and place us in title winning positions consistently in years to come? Yes-Agree, No-Disagree(obviously)
I think martinez will be an integral part to the team who get us back into the champions league again
Pointless post! don't tick anything as it won't mean anything??
kidmillions
He hasn't got the job yet so it's a pointless question.
25 May 2012 14:00:48
Why are people now again on about Pep? I could manage barca myself and win everything. simple as this......
Right Messi, you get ball, you dribble 11 players and you score 3 times in one match ok? ....Yes, ok boss.
Pique stand tall and dont let anyone get past you, if they do try knock them off the ball, ok? ...Yes, ok boss.
Villa, when Messi isn,t busy dribbling, you stand near goal line and put ball in net, ok? .... Yes, ok boss.
Maybe you should apply for the 4 vacant jobs in the barclays premier league , you seem extremely knowledgeable.
Tom.
25 May 2012 14:00:11
Hi Ed as it is lookin martinez will b our new manager. Do u expect the owner will give him budget for signings. As on some sites it is reporting that owner didnt want to spend. Thanx.
I heard 30 mil
Len
25 May 2012 13:57:38
Afternoon eds and fellow reds .IN MY OPINION,if we get Martinez and WBA get Raniari WBA will finish above us in the league . Cheers psv
25 May 2012 13:41:48
Hello Ed002,
I'm kind of confused and was wondering if you could explain...As I understand, Mr Martinez is one of the favourites to become new manager. I wonder why is Mr Hendry so fond of Mr Martinez? Mr AVB won couple of trophies with Porto, so did Mr Guardiola with Barcelona and Mr Klopp with Dortmund. I know some of the top managers turned LFC down, is Mr Martinez that good or is he the only one who is interested in the job? Has he achieved anything in his career? Are there NO managers with any kind of success under their belts who are interested in the manager job at Anfield? thank you. {Ed002's Note - I am sure they are doing the best they can for the club. I appreciate that many fans don't agree with me.}
Yanks won't pay the market salary for proven successful managers. We are becoming a laughing stock within the football world with this penny pinching bunch. All agents will be fully aware of the comparative derisory packages being offered, it won't be second tier quality transfers we'll have to look at, it'll be 3rd and 4th. Say goodbye to European football for years.
Ozone
Well then 'ozone', if that is your real name, get your hand in your pocket and front the cash to bring in one of your desired managers...
Myk
Mykonos, if that is your name. The owners put pressure on Kenny to secure champions league football. We've fallen off the pace, if they want champions league football they need to invest now and secure a proven and experienced manager to assist in getting us their. Bring in a young unexperienced manager when we've got back to winning ways and bring him in as an understudy to the manager who gets us back to winning ways. Common sense.
Ozone
25 May 2012 13:40:02
If Martinez is given the job i no longer want anything to do with this club, terrible appointment it and everyone knows it, just blindly following FSG when we know its not good enough, there is such a thing as being too loyal to our club, we all knew kenny done a bad job but we still backed him, any other manager would of been sacked with kennys results much earlier, hodgson was a bad appointment aswell, this club is going backwards and i for one wont be supporting them anymore if we make yet another bad decision. Last year kenny brought in terrible players like carroll, downing, henderson, adam and coates. If a man with kennys stature brings in those sort of players, then what type of players will martinez be after? Moses? Diame? McCarthy? Caldwell? Not good enough, If Martinez is brought in then im gone and im not the only one, And you can say ''good riddance'' and ''Good, Your not wanted'' but your eating out of FSG's hand been the good quiet obeying little fans that they wan you to be, Shambles, We are the laughing stock of the footballing world yet again
Paul D
So, if you will not be wanting to go anymore, more places for loyal fans then.
Robbie
The only laughing stock is you, and the " never really been a fan " gang like you. If you have a season ticket ( which I doubt ) there are plenty of real fans on the waiting list who won't care who the manager is, who is wearing the red shirt - but will support the team irrespective. LFC is not just for Cristmas it's for life, it's a religion and it is far more important than !!! - as the great man once said.
What you wont support the team if martinez is manager,well you sado if thats the case go and support some one else because who ever the manager is the club still thers,fans like you are pathetic and sad ye probally not even from merseyside so see ya.Terry
With respect . you should be ashamed . we are lfc and we real supporters . . .support our club .not one man . not one player.
i personally agree with your sentiment about martinez, i don,t personally fancy him myself.
one thing is guaranteed though and that is whoever our new manager is i will support him and my club 100%.
being supportive is the one thing that makes our club so great. and people should never forget.
mr slonk the red
ynwa
I agree with the rubbish kenny bought in henderson etc, mc carthy is quality, but everything else ur a bit ott there
5 gold stars
I can dislike what's gone on, even hate things. I disagreed with kenny's sacking.
But I will always support LFC. It's not something I can stop doing. FSG are only caretakers. LFC till I die, I'm afraid!
Nick
1 winger down few more to go, great
I will take any shirts , scarves etc , from you , and you can watch us on sly sports , winning yet another trophy .
redforever
Paul
I have been on the list for a season ticket for 2 years, i travel most home games from south wales to see our team play, I am disgusted by your comments and really hope you dont follow them anymore, we are not a club with plastic fans you can go to london and support chelski because you clearly are a plastic fan
Paul D hang your head in shame real fans stick with ther club no matter what. Look at Man City fans all the years of crap they have put up with & look at them now. Im sure utd would welcome fans like you so go.
The Red Rover.
See ya!!!
No i dont live in Merseyside, Whats that got to do with anything? So are you saying if your not from Merseyside then you dont have a say? Im from Dublin and ive been a Liverpool supporter for over 30 years, For the past 15-16 years i go to about 8 home games a season, I always go to our games in manchester/newcastle/everton and sometimes if im working in london ill get a few more away games in, i also travel to a lot of champions league away games when we were playing regular football in the champions league. Ive put a lot of my heart into Liverpool, but the last few years we are just going backwards, Its that simple, Everyone can see it. Hodgson was never going to work out, could spot it a mile away. Kenny was a legend at our club but he should of never been brought back after been out of the game for so long, Another bad decision. Now that Kenny is gone we are back to square 1 and looking for another manager, You'd think that after 2 managers in 2 seasons that we would be looking for a manager with winning experience, Not someone who has done good in a few relegation scraps, Martinez is not LFC quality and it s pretty obvious to me, If he gets the job we will in trouble, He wont be able to attract top players, We are alredy stuck with downing, carroll, adam and henderson because no other team will take them off our hands. Martinez will not get the best out of these players and he will not last the season, I know you all probably think im some blow in supporter but its quite the opposite, I love this club too much to watch it sink even further, Again, Im still dumb founded as to why me not been from merseyside has to do with anything? Ive spent a very large amount of money traveling over from dublin the last 15 years to watch Liverpool, Its not about the money, Id happily spend another 150,000 following my team around for the next 15 years, But not if Martinez is given the job, He will fail
(and that other 'paul d' posting is not me, Ed's can check the IP address to proove it)
Paul D
Don't let the proverbial door hit you on your ass on the way out mate.
Slimboy
What pathetic drivel from the first poster, real fans support their team through thick and thin, good times and bad, they're not fickle as you obviously are. Times like this serve to polarise the support between the true fans and the ones who really don't care.
Support the team, the players and the manager, whoever that may be. Give the manager a chance before blindly shooting him down. Things may be achieved at this club that nobody could expect to happen, and if it doesn't you can voice your comments about what went wrong then.
Man up and grow up.
I'm the other paul d and have been signing off as this for a long time so find yourself another sign off name before people get me mixed up with an person like you.
paul d (the original)
Now I am praying Martinez gets the job!
25 May 2012 13:36:34
Look, this is the situation. We will get a new manager, and that man will have been chosen after carefull consideration.
FSG like it or not, saved this club 18 months ago, if you want to slate them, well then your all fickle, and our great club does not need fans like you.
Martinez would not be my first choice but hey he has a good track record, and at some point the great managers have to get their break!!
Pep inherited the greatest team on the planet!! Martinez did a amazing job at Swansea, built a team that Rodgers inherited, then moved on to Wigan and plays a brand off football that most teams crave. I live in S Wales and most Swansea fans still love the guy, as do Wigan fans.
He is not a Woy, his CV is littered with failiure (Inter, Blackburn) Martinez is young, fresh, and imo ready to make the move up. Like most fans I would like a Klopp, Mourino type who is proven at the highest level, but if we can't get them, then I think we have got one of the best up and coming managers around.
Give the bloke a chance if he gets the job. We all want the same thing !!
If you can't wait for glory then support someone else, but our Glory will be greater having waited and built for it. YNWA
Lol....he doesn't have a good track record buddy
Oh and what if we give him a chance(just like the previous 2 managers) and he fails aswell? we cant risk this s**t anymore! we are falling behind and the next manager will be critical to our ultimate rise/fall....thats why I'm not backing Martinez at all....the time now is to critical to take ridiculous chances....we are falling behind the likes of arsenal and spurs for that important top 4...and if martinez is appointed that would be the final nail in the coffin(if he fails), I'm not saying Martinez is going to fail but the risk is to big...
I'm sick and tired of being told to "go and support somebody else" because I'm concerned about the possible appointment of Roberto Martinez as our manager.
As a Liverpool supporter who pays good money to watch my team, I am entitled to my opinion on all things concerning the club.
The problem with LFC is not the people who voice their concerns now and again, it's the mindless idiots like you, who seem happy to accept mediocrity and will blindly throw their support behind anyone who's "flavour of the month."
So give it a rest with your FSG & Martinez PR offensive, I can make up my own mind thank you very much.
Not got a proven track record. What takes more skill the job he's done at Swansea and Wigan or Pep at Barca.
Come on mate show me where he has failed
And the other one, any managerial appointment is a risk. AVB for example you would be creaming about him last year, did't do too well at Chelsea. Klopp, never managed in England, niether has Pep.
So who is this no risk manager you have in mind. You should be a recruitment agent for Managers.
You both need to grow up give a man a chance. Great club, sometime embarrassing fans
redphil
So... we can't take ridiculous chances? Who's your appointment though? Who do you want, tool?
McSnuggles
After careful consideration mr ar*e. The cheapest and most appropriate 'yes' man they can find.
Ozone
Any appointment of manager is a risk ? mourinho , pep , klopp bring no guarentee of success ? had anyone heard of wenger before arsenal ?? martinez has he got the personality to manage liverpool ? i think so
Who had heard of Arsene Wenger before he went to arsenal and transformed them? I'm not on here to convince anyone of Martinez' credentials, but i'm certainly not gonna slate him before he has even given it a go. The same courtesy I gave to Hodgson and Dalglish and Rafa and Houllier and Evans and Souness and.......the list could go on.
I have been waiting 20 years to see us at the top again, it takes patience and faith to support. Some of the so called fans who call people like me old timers and living in the past need to crack on with their PS3's and leave the real supporting to us 'Old timers' who will teach the tradition of real support to their children who will be the next generation of true fans of this great club.
Slimboy
Any manager is a risk and that includes Pep, AVB, Klopp and Martinez. None of these can guarantee top four. Martinez has PL experience and plays good footy and will be backed by Liverpool supporters. Plastic fans might well see what is going on at Man City this year.
Whoever Liverpool FC appoint as a team manager has my backing. Even if it's Woy.
cozinoz
So you say we are falling behind Spurs and Arsenal. I'm glad you brought them up as they are the perfect example to hiughlight your idiocy.
Wenger was pretty unknown before he came to Arsenal, he managed in Japan, so you could say his last major honour was 9 years before he joined Arsenal winning The French league one year. If Liverpool were to look at a manager who had been in the same boat now, you woudl be raging about it. "Who is this guy, what's he won, he's been managing in Japan for christs sake!" You see my point, he completely turned the way Arsenal played and changed their entire club philiosophy, they;ve not done too badly out of it.
Spurs, If we were looking at Portsmouths manager you would again be raging about it. And it shows how flavour of the month managers in Juande Ramos can fail abroad, they were in a terrible state. But would you have wanted Redknapp as your saviour ever? It worked out for them.
So the two teams you use to back up how Liverpools possibility of signing Martinez is in detriment to the club completely contradict the facts. They actually did ctake a chance, Arsenal especially at the time and Spurs more in need of stabilising a sinking ship at the time. But it worked out, this is the whole point in that you won;t allow Liverpoo, to do the same, seeing it as a risk, when it may not be. But to write it off without ever being given a chance is insane.
Look at Ramos, he was in favour and he failed, AVB likewise. whatever the resons for the failings it does not always work to be flavour of the month. Even Mclaren was after winning the Dutch league then failed at Wolfsburg. Maybe this is why Klopp and De Boer are staying put, they are not knee jerkers thinking they are wonderful and maybe are keeping their feet on the ground a bit.
You are also assuming Guardiola would be the solution, why? He had a great team with Barcelona that you could say whoever managed them with their resources and pool of talent coming through would succeeed, but he can work with what Liverpool have?
Just stop writing people off before they have a chance to do anything, or before they have even got the job!
Faith almost restored inLFC fans after the responses above.
My point is all these person who are saying Martinez is this, and that, well actually look at his record, its good, its based in English football. If he was manager of mid table spanish side we'd all be yes please (Laudrup for christ sake) Football snobery.
One last point Eds am I right in thinking that there was a rumour that he was loosly considered for the Barca job.
25 May 2012 13:36:14
Guardiola has stated that he is open to any jobs offers.. if FSG wants the best manager with the best style of play. this is the right time...
That would cost them treble of what they are prepared to pay in salary. Not a chance.
Ozone
Easy to play the best style of football when you manage a team with Barca's quality in it.
Pep is unproven until he has done it with his team, he has built
See Ozone FSG won't spend the money to get a top class manager! what do'es that say about FSG! In any buisness you have to speculate to accumilate and it do'es not look like FSG are going to do that!
Someoen says we can't risk this sanymore. So you are basically assuming that one man wthere it be Morinho, Rafa or whoever woudl make a complete turnaround immediately. What if they fail though, what then, have you thought about that or are you just waiting for whoever is in charge to slip up just once to slate them. There are no guaruntees!
25 May 2012 13:34:21
Guardiola has stated that although he does want a rest he can be tempted. He said that if a club rings him and seduces him then he would be willing to listen.
This should be what we are going for, but with the amount we can give him plus any sales I'm not sure if he'd come to us if Chelsea came in for him. Martinez just doesn't do it for me, there is something missing there I can't put my finger on.
Also I'm gutted about Hazard, he has confirmed UTD, City or Chelsea will be his destination, if he adapts to the prem he will be another Ronaldo.
Al.
If you'd been earning £500 a week but had to resign for personal reasons and then you were offered another job at £1000 a week or £100 a week, which job would you take?
Ozone
25 May 2012 13:27:15
Any more information on Martinez Ed's, and do oyu expect him to get the job/
Thanks
Burnsy
25 May 2012 13:26:38
Hi Ed's and Macca.
Just want your opinions. Whoever the manager is (probably Martinez), I feel that what is more important is whether the new manager is backed or not. Do you feel that the new manager will be backed by the owner or left to feed off scraps?
To make progress under anyone we need to be consistent in the transfer market. I am not talking about Man City or Chelsea style but we need to keep increasing the quality of the squad progressively over the next few years. If we simply sell to buy then at best we will remain where we are.
So what your opinions on the matter? Thanks for the great website
TheBigCrazy
25 May 2012 13:24:38
Forget eds nd Macca guys,I've got a far better source,the name is...DAVE WHELAN!! he's talking even more than that Hazard guy,expect him 2 keep updating s on further developments,atleast about Martinez.Surely we need 2 thank this guy,he is making up for the 'lack of confidential news' these days ...
Dave Whelan loves a headline.
redphil
Dave Whelan has his own agenda. His blabbings are designed to put him in the news and the gathering scorn from Liverpool fans is more likely to keep Martinez at Wigan where Whelan wants him or to get FSG to cough up more. He laso gives the newspaers and radio what they want and Liverpool fans fall for the bait. Our naivety is frightening!
Scousehouse
25 May 2012 13:20:25
Pep now open to offers, if the right offer comes in?
Never seems to be driven by money, would the chance of managing a great historical english club with a point to prove be enough to get him to turn his back on the other english clubs.
Come on FSG make the guy an offer he can't refuse and it probably won't cost you a penny in compensation or golden handshakes and he may be willing to play the same game as he did with Barcelona one year rolling contracts.
Wouldn't this be the biggest shock in recent years and maybe the catalyst that return us to CL and who knows the long awaited EPL.
25 May 2012 13:17:08
Pep Guardiola new Liverpool manager next week.
Rob S
What are you on it isnt going to happaen.
25 may 2012 13:06:18
really worried here. i personally think martinez can do a great job for lfc (even though i would have preferred klopp or bielsa) but the amount of venomous comments from deluded fans may seriously ruin any chance of success next year. unfortunately, pep being misquoted by sly sports has only added fuel to the fire. everyone, pep will never manage lfc, get over yourselves and get behind the new man, be it martinez, avb or other more realistic targets.
source- common sense- try using some of it
So the fan's who don't want him are deluded? I'd rather say that the fan's who don't want him as manager of LFC are worried not deluded! he's managed 2 lower side's Swansea and Wigan! Swansea in league 1 and Wigan in the premiere! only just keeping Wigan up in the last 3 season's! do'es that warrant a move to LFC? I think not! So i like thousand's of other Red fan's are worried about the direction FSG are taking us! We've been in the wilderness for the last 3 year's really since Rafa was sacked! And another wrong move will take us further behind the top 4/5/6! So IF Martinez is appointed then i for one will be extremely worried! In Rafa we trust!
I didnt mean to suggest that fans who dont want martinez are deluded but the ones calling for pep and mourinho definitely are. I know martinez isnt everyones first choice but rafa is definitely not the answer, i dont fancy another season of bizarre substitutions and boring defensive tactics! Give martinez a chance
(Mobile)
24 May 2012 20:48:06
Guys, word is Martinez is in Miami to meet Randy Lerner. Here's to hoping that's true. LFC deserve better as u don't replace a King with a mule.
Aston villa haven't got permission to talk to Martinez so that can't be true!
What a stupid thing to say. Probably the sort of thing that Newcastle fans said about Pardew. The decision is not yours to make - if he does get appointed, give the man a chance.
Martinez better than u think give him a chance
I hope it is as I really dont want him at Liverpool. He is just simply not good enough
Disrespectful post.
Another season of trying to sound positive and trying not to say i told you so
Why is everybody so down on Martinez? If he gets the job then he deserves a fair crack at it. Pull you're head out your ass and show the man some respect.
OSTOP giving liverpool fans a bad name, by showing disrepect to a decent manager who we will never know how good he can be until he has been given a chance, the king failed in the requirement set by fsg, and failed in his £110 million spending spree, fsg are going down there own route, and u idiot, until u spend over £500 million on liverpool you get no input into the decisions made by the owners! True fans, bacK the clubs choces, and if they fail, then u can say I TOLD U So! So until that day, keep ya beek shut, support or don't support u un liverpool like. So called fan! Me. Just thinks u r a t*sser! Grow up!nce again, a very sad. Disrepectfulled in his contract requirement, and couldn't make the same team who could beat utd, city, stoke twice and chelsea in the cups play to the same level in the prem, martinez if chosen will be just what we need, different in that he's a young eager beaver, who will b
Will the "mule" do worse than 8th after spending 100 million?
If he comes and does well I bet your the type of nob that goes I new he was the right man for the job
Give him a chance u fool so hope he proves u wrong
Fans like you make me sick, Martinez is a very good manager and if he gets the job then I will be behind him 100% everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves. He is a well liked person by everyone and deserves more respect from idiots like you. If your not happy with there appointment go and support someone else because LFC will not miss you as a supporter.
WB
Randy Lerner is in nearby Atlanta for a NFL owners meeting, so is in the area.
The wigan owner clearly says that he is in talks with liverpool. And why so anit martinez. Personally i think he will bring sucess to anfield and he is also a manager for the long term.
25 May 2012 12:43:41
If martinez gets the job i will hang up my boots n no longer follow the club i love , my heart has been broken too many times over the past 20 years of supporting liverpool , from bad leadership by managers all the way to the boardroom liverpool has become the laughing stock of european and world football .Empty promises follow empty promises every year and we are no closser to challenging for major honors than we were 23 years ago .Ok we have had some sucess and ups and down but as but we have stagnated while others have built and become major forces ,i can only see a bigger downward spiral to mid table places for the next 20 years unless strong leadership is shown by ower owners and as far as i can see they are inept and unable to do this .
greenbloodredsoul
I say good riddence then,us fans or should I say supporters emphasise the word support,will follow the club what ever may,you could get your dream manager and he might be a bag of turd give Martinez a break and stop being a glory hunter and be a supporter cheers pk
Good, dont want fans like you at the club, a true red supports through thick and thin, pack your bags and go some place else
It will be such a shame to lose such a loyal fan!
Good riddance.
Derek
Sorry - have I missed something - we have won 9 trophies in the last 20 years - not including European Super Cup twice and Charity Shields also twice. I agree we have never properly recovered from Dalglish walking away and leaving us in the s***e with an ageing team. But I'm sure that record is only beaten by Chelsea and Utd - both sides have incredible amounts of money to spend on bringing the best players in.
But back to Ferguson, who has to be the luckiest manager ever - got 6 or 7 kids all maturing at the same time which was the backbone of their success - with that and the number of times he's spent over 25 million on players - how could he fail.
You don't seem to 'love' the club very much then do you
Puzzled
Lol go support city then..
Yet I again I give up what a 42 carrat gold plonker. Your new name should be Rodney
Chris R
The owners are trying to repair the damage that has been done over the past 10 years (at least).
How can you write a man off when a ball hasn't even been kicked. I am not saying he is going to be a success but i think he deserves a little respect. He will have my full support if he comes in because he manages LFC.
Have an opinion by all means but don't turn your back on the club just because we are not winning everything!
The good time will return one day, will you come back then?
GGK
Good Riddance you glory hunting buffoon!
With a comment like that I doubt very much you have been a fan for over 20 years. Support your team no matter who the manager is.
From a Red Devil
I am no glory hunter or jump on the band wagon fan , iv followed liverpool for the past 25 years through thick n thin but have found that we have been on a downward spiral for decades ! city ,utd ,chelsea ,spurs, arsenal, and to a lesser extent the bluenoses and newcastle have overtaken us in terms of quality of managers staiums and teams , yes kenny was given money but from board to manager mistake after mistake has been made , look at moores ,parry selling us to them jokers ! Now FSG have come along and they put one summer of money in and expect miracles ! Our club is no longer our club run in the liverpool way or even near it , we are a money making golden goose which hasn laid a golden egg for 23 years . I will always love liverpool they will always be the team i grew up supporting and going to watch but i cant take this mismanagement on every level .To those that say good ridence then you wear red tinted glasses ,spirit of shankley was set up by fans the same as me who wanted change and were ready to fight to get it , dont throw aspersions in my direction for saying how i feel in my heart which at this moment is red but broken !
Can I have your season ticket
So 1 x European Cup, 1 x UEFA Cup, 3 x FA cups and 4 League Cups, plus in there somewhere a Super Cup win.......is poor, really UTD have won more and Chelski have only just past us. You know what if Martinez gets the job I hope you do go, because with fans like you he won't stand a chance - TMac
Thanks for your "LOYAL" support??
See ya!
Lyndon
Think you need to keep the faith , okay what you say is partly true , but we have had some great times also , its too easy to forget them , at some stage , the tide will turn for us , and I truly believe , that our time has come , it wont happen overnight , but just wait and see , the good times are just around the corner .
redforever
Because you are going to make a statement to John right?
AndieldUSA
So im only alowed to make remarks if i own a season ticket is it ? well i do own one and have put on a par money wise into the club as all other season ticket holders for the last 10 years since i started fulltime employment . Iv sat in the stands for european nights and cup ties ,iv seen the bad and the good and iv stuck in there ! Iv walked with spirit of shankley and demanded change , now im looking on this site at bitter ,twisted so called liverpool fans who if someone does not adhere to their view or agenda then their reply is to attack and insult , so im disheartened and down and cant see past our current situation and my so called fellow supporters instead of trying to change my mind and show me the way forward are shuning me and trowing stones in my direction . You say shame on me for thinking of leaving the club i love with all my heart well i say shame on you for been so fallacious and vengeful .
GREENBLOODREDSOUL
25 May 2012 12:41:18
I feel sorry for Martinez. Hes going to cop a lot of stick from us fans. Guys give him a chance, for all you know he could win us the league next year.
BADGER
I am not anty martinez that guy is good but it's still risky. there are few risk klick very well Conte with juve and they win Seria a . but if he fail then we will suffer very badly. I think we are not that possition to take a big risk.
r-r
Any manager is a risk
25 May 2012 12:27:43
Tell you something if Martinez isn't give the LFC managers job the media are gona look like a bunch of idiots - more so than normal.
YNWA jns
And if he is and makes a success of it a lot of so-called fans will be equally embarrassed.
Which will be another good thing! with the 1st Martinez not getting the job! In Rafa we trust!
25 May 2012 12:27:09
Heya Eds! Quick question for ya! As it stands now,do we have any idea how many managers have actually been approached for the job? Names flying about every which way and your obviously not just going to spout the same rubbish as everyone else! Thanks a million! WelshBoyDave {Ed002's Note - I do not know.}
25 May 2012 12:24:56
ref photo of Martinez & Henry.
ask yourself, why is he alone?
classic sounding out technique, place yourself in a coffee shop with a would be new employee, nice comfortable surroundings. Take a stroll to show you are happy to drop your own guard by showing yourself in public.
Wouldnt surprise me if the photo was staged even!
JH wants his own measure of who he wants to manage, rather than give into any external pressures.
only thing negative in this scenario, is u get comfy with the owner, then you have to sit with the board for a grilling interview.
But, good test for finding character and confidence in a man, who is looked at on here as being " not good enough".
Personally, he needs a stepping stone onto a bigger role. That stone aint wigan, maybe Villa, WBA etc. Then he can be judged clearly.
At least our owner is personally involved, rather than leaving it to advisors.
Piddy
25 May 2012 12:02:26
Everyone getting carried away with Martinez. Other candidates also being interviewed. Only reason Martinez is public is down to his mouthy boss at Wigan and leaked photo. He is at an advanced stage but so are others. Expect this process to carry on for another week to 10 days at least, while the other managers in contention are also flown to Miami/Boston/Liverpool for similair talks.
Very good source from senior member of club.
Certainly . as it is said that fsg, and henry go with the stats , nothing against martinez, a positive manager ,
but just 2yrs experience in top level ,only 36% winning record, 0% experience of europe, cant be our choice .
martinez is a good managerial prospect may be in 7-8 yrs he will be a top dog in management with experience, but hell its high time for us to give him that try,
3yrs now roy, kenny etc, i mean have tried the cheap , clever options not working, we need to go big.
Agreed. FSG will take their time.
And it sounds like Guardiola is in the mix now.
25 May 2012 12:02:02
some people seem fairly skeptical about the possible appointment of Martinez as they think he doesn't have the experience and prefer people like Klopp or De Boer but if you look at where these 2 were before there respective clubs you'll see they weren't at big clubs (Klopp got relegated with Mainz and De Boer was assistant manager of Dutch national team) and were roughly the same age as Martinez when they moved to there current clubs so he could become a top class manager, either way he deserves to have the support of the fans at least so that he has the opportunity to be a success if he gets appointed and not hounded out from the start. YNWA
But I say why take the risk when we could go for one who is actually proven. the only risk we dont seem to take is buying players from other leagues because their not 'premier league proven' which is just ridiculous when you look at some of the players from over seas in the premier league, their the best players in it!
John
Your talking from the wrong end mate, you are just speculating that because Klopp/DeBoer are doing alright now. Martinez will do alright as well. Your just a blind punter, truth is you haven't got a clue with even less reasoning
Every manager is a risk, Kenny at Newcastle, Cappelo (spelling) with England, Clough at Leeds, Rafa at Inter etc. If he is apointed it will be almost in a coaching role, with a senior man in the DOF role. That is who will attract players and run the football side of the club so lets all relax and support.
Chris R
Worst type of supporter there is. YNWA
25 May 2012 12:01:28
some fans on here make me laugh , your moaning about martinez and now Pep as said he open to offers your all saying he wont come here , well when i seen his interview when he said he was leaving barca he said he would like to manage a club in the prem , and he would like a challange , so man city ,chelski,and spurs are not a challange , more of a challange would be to get a club with history and a great name back to the top , i know what i think , ,,,,mickey b
If you were offered Chelsea or Liverpool which would you take ? He is not comintg to Liverpool.
He would be a better option than Martinez!
^understatement of the year (apologise if it was sarcasm).
How do you know.. Excuse the sarcasm
^ If he win's the Copa Del Ray tonight that will be 14 trophie's in 4 year's that's how i know! and if you take any sarcasm out of that tough!
If you give Pep LFC's team instead of the SuperStar Barcelona team, what would he achieve? I honestly do not think Pep is such a Good manager as he is made out to be
25 May 2012 12:00:07
So ask yourselves this.
Would any of the 7 teams that finished above us (2011/1e season), appoint Martinez?.
By appointing a manager like this FSG's true ambitions for LFC are finally revealed.
Austerity measures, and cheap and nasty solutions to massive problems.
We will ultimately pay 'big time' for such mediocrity and lack of vision and ambition.
Goodbye to all our best players, and welcome to all the average players in the world.
I would love to be around you bet you are a bundle of Fun
That's rubbish talk mate, take Alan Pardew for example, Newcastle owner took a chance when the fans hated his appointment look at them now they are all singing his name.
If Liverpool don't bring back Benitez, Martinez will do he has more prem experience than other candidates.
We don't need to attract big name players, right talent with hunger for success will do a good job for us and name for them selves.
United - Ferguson from The Scottish League
City - Mancini - OK, I'm with you on that, successful in Italy - Mansurs money.
Arsenal - Wenger from Grampus Eight, Japan 2 trophies and 2 trophies in Ligue 1
Spurs - Redknapp 1 FA Cup and a number of relgations.
Newcastle - Pardew - won nothing, sacked a number of times
Chelsea - Abramovich's money - Di Matteo caretaker ( no managerial experience ) - won 2 trophies.
Everton - Moyes signed from Preston
Where's your argument against Martinez? - Only Mancini was what you could call a success prior to present appointment.
Nailed it mate
You missed one vital one
Shankly - Huddersfield town
Good point.
But you can't talk about situations 5,10 or 15 years ago (Fergie 26/27), and Shankly 50 years, its here and now.
Stop dealing with the past, deal with 'The Here and Now'.
It is 2012. Please update your thinking, move ahead, don't stay locked in the past.
So Liverpool is same class team like everton and newcastle ?
^ At the moment Newcastle and Everton are better than us! 5th 7th 8th
25 May 2012 11:55:40
eds what is going on with all the potential managers reneging us...do they know something we dont,i for one is getting a bit worried
Red Dave
Would any already successful manager really want to risk their reputation trying to make one of the biggest names in World Football a force again?
95% is press generated bs. Journo asks well known manager if he wants to manage Liverpool well known manager says no and hey presto a story about a well known manager turning Liverpool down. This will continue until a manager is appointed. Although FSG haven't helped themselves by taking so long and creating a vacuum which the press are only too happy to fill with LFC bashing nonsense.
25 May 2012 11:52:34
Ill get behind any manager who comes in of course but Martinez? im hearing loads about him getting announced today ed's do you know anything of this? i cant see anything official about it i just hope its wrong.. but looking like he'll be the man for the job unfortunately, by the way thanks to all the eds you all do fantastic jobs.
25 May 2012 11:49:14
I'm loving the positivity, surrounding the proposed Martinez appointmnet, the lad has no chance at the moment and hes not even got the the job yet! I think everyone is missing a massive point. Martinez has been given a target at all the clubs he's been at and succeeded at wigan, and that was to keep them in the premier league and he's done that 3 yrs running when most managers would have failed. If he becomes our manager the target for us will not be to keep us in the premier league but propell us into the top 4 and he will be given the support to do that, does anyone really believe that John Henry will employ someone who he thought would fail? come on! we are not wigan and have a much better squad and if Martinez can put his philosophy across to the wigan players and get them playing attractive attacking football in the 2nd half of the season then with our better squad we should be able to do it on a more consistent basis, if we are all honest we have the basis of a good side which at times last year was really good to watch but the results never went our way. I think you can only measure success within the boundries of the teams capabilities and Lfc this season have fallen short of the minimum requirement set out by the owners - can Martinez do any better than Kenny only time will/might tell but I reckon his philosophy at least deserves a crack...
Al
Couldn't agree more, it's not just about the manager, it's about the team around him, the back room staff, the fans all pulling in the same direction.
Martinez wouldn't have been my first choice, but he's clearly tactically astute, young and ambitious and with the right team around him he could do very well.
Siggle
But what happened at Wigan in the 1st half of the season Al? As another poster stated after 10 good game's at the tail end of the season and that make's him the no.1 choice? he's their yes man and working for a lot less than a A list manager! I do fear for this club! In Rafa we trust!
Couldn't agree more with original poster A1.
For the uneducated Wigan played great football all season but just could not put the ball in the net.
Martinez found a solution to their problem and played 2nd half of season with 3 at the back to give them more impetus going forward and as we all know it worked a treat. Now that is my kind of Manager and patently obvious to me why he's favourite to get the job. On another note I go every year to our away game at the DW and i'm telling you now; since Martinez has been there they've outplayed us with Rafa in charge we lost 1-0 could a been 3-0.
We drew with Roy in charge 1-1 they battered us and were unlucky.
We drew 0-0 with Kenny in charge, again they were unlucky.
Martinez all day for me.
kidmillions
25 May 2012 11:49:00
Is it not interesting that Blatter has asked Beckanbauer to come up with an alternative to penalty shoot outs when german team loses one to an English one? Thoughts?
Iggypop
What a daft post
Beckenbauer is head of the group that proposes changes in football.
Wouldnt it be funny if they abolished penalty kicks and instead proclaimed the team with the worst hair styles as champions,or even better a game of murder ball instead of penalty kicks.
25 May 2012 11:43:09
Pep guardiola has now come out and said he will return to management quicker than expected if a club seduces him, its on sky sports do u think lfc might be in with a chance?
Looking for a club in the prem
It has to be us or Chelsea and he wants a challenge so that would be us plus Chelsea have just won champions league
Surely we would have a chance
25 May 2012 11:41:28
"I will receive all calls with pleasure, but for the next [few] months I have to recharge my batteries and my mind," said Guardiola.
"I will be ready [to return] if one club wants me and seduces me."
See, if we kept kenny till christmas, we could of had pep.
Ben the red
There we go everyone its as simple as that !!!!!! doh simple minded poster more like ! andy.
25 May 2012 11:40:25
How many of you LFC fans who now "support" Martinez, were the ones calling for KK to go.
Just think about what you are saying, are you so desperate for news!.
How long will it be before all you new 'Martinez' converts turn on him.
If FSG appoint Martinez, it just shows how truly pathetic and unworthy they are to own our glorious club.
Martinez brings 'nothing' to the club, offers nothing, apart from being the cheapest option available.
Very true
Still dificult to say he is crap or flop. it's can be both good or bad.
I support Martinez but I never wanted Kenny to go. He's the king
AnfieldUSA
25 May 2012 11:34:57
I personally think the Martinez win ratio is good for managing Wigan in the EPL.
He seems to have all the attributes to be a successful LFC manager apart from having top club experience.
Is this really that important?
Some say big players, big egos etc but even Wigan has it's fair share of vile millionaire footballers that need bringing down a peg or 2 now and again.
I was a bit shocked at being linked with him at first but let's get right behind him and give him 100% support because he will never be a success without the 12th man.
MIKEY
25 May 2012 11:34:19
Macca
why are the owners consulting with the likes of David dein who is arsenal to the core and if reports are to be believed that t**t parry is in their ear aswell-really hope not.
with that in mind and if it's true FSG have no chance of making us great again.
my own opinion based on what i see and hear is that they do not know what they are doing.
really hope i am wrong but if FSG have serious ambition about making us great again then they need think bigger AND BETTER than Roberto Martinez etc.....
They have sacked a DOF and a manager without any immediate replacements lined up at a time when our rivals are lining up new players.
they sent Ian ayre out the other day with 'news' on stadium plans if thats what you want to call it , in a pathetic effort to try and boost morale, where he did not actually tell us anything much.
all seems amatuerish stuff to me.
LD
Have to agree with that. Especially with regard to the stadium announcement: "Making progress on both fronts"... in other words - no news. A pointless statement.
DJP
25 May 2012 11:28:30
Dave Whelan claims we are interviewing 6 managers.
The hat.
How does Dave Whelan know the ins and outs of Liverpool? i wish he would shut up
Since when was Mr.Whelan part of the team to appoint our next manager. He really needs to focus on his own club rather than talking about us.
Hans
Ever thought that Martinez has told him!!
25 May 2012 11:26:16
As I've said previously I don't expect Guardiola to take the Liverpool job but surely it would be a dereliction of duty on the part of the owners to not at least ask the question
Chris in Tamworth
Maybe they have asked who knows you cant say for certain if they have or haven't.
Red Branch
I believe its Chelsea all the way for Guadiola. i think Ed 2 may agree
Evered
I don't think he would want to join Chelsea with Mourinho so heavily adored by everyone integrated with Chelsea.
So we might have a chance....
It's not Chelsea Guardiola wants, He'll never take Mourinho's sloppy seconds, and he never has too. He prefers United, Liverpool Arsenal, and City and all having the ability to seduce him in one way or the other.
Why does everyone think Pep would be a brilliant manager
He won't have Messi, Javi, Inestia or any oth the others at Liverpool
Instead he'll have adam, henderson and lucas
Get REAL FFS
Jon Luc Pickard
25 May 2012 11:24:28
So Macca,
Is it definitely martinez?
If he gets us playing like Wigan in the last half of the season we will be quality.
Thanks
JTR
Who are we gonna play like in the first half of the season?
I thought that would be obvious Wigan
25 May 2012 11:24:22
Well I hope for Martinez's or whoever the next manager will be that Guardiola is not available as the fans will not exept them if Pep had been on the market. Can't see it myself but it would be nice if he is available and he comes here but I don't think that we would have enough money available for him to spend. And is anyone else thinking that Hazard the most annoying player in the world? seriously mate get over yourself. I'm seriously considering selling him on FIFA now!
RealisticRed
Sot on about hazard mate , wait until he gets a welcome to the prem tackle
25 May 2012 11:23:34
Morning all, just imagine if this site was running in the days just before Shankly came to our club and how most of you would of reacted to him and all the managers since.
SHANKLY - Why are we not looking for a bigger name. What has he done at Huddersfield. We need to get into the top division and with this man in charge we all might as well give up.
RESULT - The man took us up and turned us into the greatest team in the country and one of the top teams in Europe.
PAISLEY - What experiance has this man got in managment. Will always be a number 2 and has not got what it takes to step into the great mans shoes. If the owners are listening please go and get a manager with top experiance to carry on Shankly's work.
RESULT - Without doubt the greatest manager in history. Dominated England and Europe.
FAGAN - He is to old and has never been a manager. Always been a coach or a number 2 and we need more for this great club. We need to stop with this employing managers from within the club as we will end up missing out on the top managers at other clubs. This is an accident waiting to happen.
RESULT - Was only the manager for 2 years. Won the treble in his first year and got to another European cup final the following year.
DALGLISH - Never managed,never been a number 2 and never been a coach. What are the club thinking.His great name will be tarnished and he will never be thought of in the same way as he will be a dissaster.
RESULT - Won the double in his first year and went on to get more league titles and cup successes. Legend as player and Manager.
SOUNESS - Excellent choice. Legend as player and dominated Scotish football as manager of Rangers. Will carry on his great work down here and take Liverpool back to being the greatest club in Europe.
RESULT - Dissaster. He did win 1 F.A cup but league form was awful. Got rid of older players to early and his style just did not work for Liverpool.
EVANS - Excellent choice. Going back to the days of employing manager from within. Worked with all the great managers and will get us back playing the Liverpool way. Number 20 is on its way.
RESULT - Did get us playing decent football. Good players came through such as Fowler, Mcmanaman, Redknapp and Rob Jones. Could not make that final step to win the league but won a League cup. After an attempt to work with Houllier as joint managers did not work he stepped down.
HOULLIER - Who is this guy. Why have we got to go foreign. We are Liverpool Football Club and should be able to attract better managers than this guy. I cant see the players wanting to play for him or any top players deciding to come to us.
RESULT - Got us in to the Champions League for the first time. Won a treble in 1 year and another League cup after that. Got good players in like Hyypia which even though were not the top names definatlty were top players. Also gave a certain Steven Gerrard his debut.
BENITEZ - Great choice. Done wonders at Valencia to be better than Madrid and Barcelona. This it it. First the league then Europe. Have a good feeling about this guy.
RESULT - Won the Champions League and got to another final. Won a F.A cup and got to a League cup final. Just failed with the League. Got into the politics of the club because of the bad running of the club by Hicks and Gillett. His last season we failed to get in to Champions League and was sacked
HODGSON - Nice man but not good enough for our club. We need better than this and this club will do well to finish in the top 10.
RESULT - Was unlucky to be the man who was the manager as the old owners were kicked out and the new owners arrived. Things were not going great on the pitch and at one stage was in the bottom 3. With Dalglish in the stand he was sacked after 6 months. Has since gone on to do well at West Brom and because of this is now manager of England.
DALGLISH - The king is back. No one can stop us. All the players love him. We will challenge for all the top honours and with the new owners giving him a decent amount of money we will be amongst the best before we know it.
RESULT - Even though many performances were good, results were not. Won the League cup and got to the F.A Cup final. League form only got us to 8th which in the end was what got him sacked.
We just need to support who ever comes in as history proves going for the obvious choices dont always work. Good luck to who ever comes in. I will give you my support and I hope the rest of you can do the same even if it is not your personal choice.
EST.1892
This is the best post of the year so far. Well said mate, well said.
Stevie.
Simply great post!
Adam
Excellent post !
Brilliant Post says it all really well done.
Post of the day, week, month, year, decade, century!
Thanks for your comments. Made the half hour it took to right it worth it.
EST.1892
25 May 2012 11:22:36
Just come off the blower to Pep, he tell me he has been misquoted. He said he'd have to be sedated!
The truth is we don't know who the manager is but slagging Martinez/AVB and everyone else is just wrong.
We are leaders not followers, we don't want to be a club changing manager every 2 minutes, let the FSG get on with their job and judge the on progress.
Although 8th, Kenny has left us only 2 or 3 players away from a serious assault on th EPL
25 May 2012 11:19:30
i know im putting 2 and 2 together and getting a billion but with guardiola comments about if 1 club seduced him he would train again it could be Liverpool (as i said 2+2=billion.) But come on we all know chelsea among a few teams that can go out and throw millions in wages to him and millions for transfers so to me would not take much to convince any manager let alone guardiola to join them. But would take a bit more convincing or "seducing" to come to Liverpool for maybe less wages and low transfer budget.yes i know their are plenty of managers who would love to manage our great club but there are also some that would need an awful load of convincing
Chelsea, Chelsea, Chelsea!!
25 May 2012 11:16:50
See you guys when an announcement is made. No disrespect to the eds, i love your work. But i am over some fans and it's getting on my tits. one more "Martinez has proven nothing, he's always fighting to stay up" post and i'm afraid i'll do something stupid. Not having a whinge, just going on sabbatical, i might go meet up with pep G. have a few beers in the sun...
Cheers, and good luck eds, it's getting crazy.
Red7.
But.....Martinez has proven nothing......;-)
25 May 2012 11:16:27
Guardiola is not neccassairly a proven manager.
His football at Barcelona was incredible and he won countless trophies, however, Yohann Cruyff implemented that system a long time ago in the academies of Barca.
Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets etc. have been playing like that with each other for years.
It could be said that although the football was out of this world they had an unbelievable player coming into play in Messi, players that that were already there playing in the form of their lives.
Guardiola did not have a hard job. Until proven at another club you cannot judge him.
The way Martinez sets up his teams would be successful at Barcelona and he may have had just the same amount of success as Pep, roles reversed however I think it would be a different situation.
Under pressure Pep has resigned and lost the league and the champions league.
The grass is not always greener my friends...
MIKEYRED
A two time Champions League winning manager and he's not proven? The comments on here get more ridiculous everyday.
Your taking a close minded approach to the annoynmous commenter. Did you read what I put? He is not neccassarily proven because he didn't have much of a challenge. It's not exactly the hardest job in the world.
MIKEYRED
Good god, now Guardiola is not good enough! Lol
25 May 2012 11:15:06
If as Whelan says Martinez wants to oversee all at a club.Do the Eds feel thats tad presumptious an overconfident for a Man unproven at highest level in modern age of footy?surely he'd be a fool to turn down the rumoured experience of Van Gaal.Having said that partnerships such as D.O.F dont often appear to work in our game.But taking Martinez without experienced backing IS a mega risk
Whelsan is saying that is what martinez is like at wigan
25 May 2012 11:11:51
I have been an avid reader of this site for the past few years now. When I first knew about this page there was the odd person on here but, I have to say, the scale of disgraceful "fans" on here is obscene.
I would love for Martinez to get the job but for his own sake, I hope he rejects us. You vile vultures will have him hung, drawn and quartered in no time at all.
How many "big" managers have been with us? How many "big, marquee" signings have we ever made? We have done pretty well without it.
I am liking the way FSG are taking us and I feel we should all get behind them.
There will always be numptys out there, at the moment, most of them write drivel onto this site.
No offence to the eds or the few that get behind our club but I can't wait till the transfer window is closed so I don't have to come back and read your crap.
Tristan
Well said the fifa generation haven't a clue,
Red Branch
25 May 2012 11:02:55
*******FAO RACHEL 5030********
Get ready Rachel, it could be Pep!
;-)
25 May 2012 11:02:44
Morning all.
I was so disappointed at FSG for sacking The King. I believe if he was given next season we would be in the top4, unfortunately we will never know now but the shock has now gone and I'm starting to see things more clearly.
FSG are business men, very successful business men who are running the club like they would run any other business. They are bringing their own staff in, which if you think about it needed doing.
The Suarez incident may have been handled differently. If the right personnel was at the club. Maybe he would of been found not guilty, again something we will never know.
What I do know is, FSG want to hear good things about their business, not bad publicity and will try their hardest to not let something like the Suarez incident happen again.
Maybe they have sat down with Suarez and listened to his side, maybe they believe him, only time will tell.
These guys are trying to build our club, something they have done very well with the red sox. They want to run it their way because that's been successful for them and hopefully successful for us.
All I'm saying guys is, keep an open mind. If Martinez becomes manager. He is not Roy Hodgson, he plays good attacking football, good with the media, young and wants to be successful. If FSG think he's hungry enough and good enough, I'm more than willing to give him a chance, the question is are you??
Let's support FSG and the club and leave the negative comments alone. The players might of let us down last season, but so did our fans.
FSG, if your man is Martinez I am more than willing to get behind him and show him what it means to become the manager of one of the best football brands in world football.
Let's see where we are after ten games and leave all the comments alone until then. Let's also see if he is the new manager and if he is, try backing him.
Martinez, if you become our new manager and you do well, You Will Never Walk Alone. Welcome to the family.
YNWA
TIZER RED
I think the past legends whould stop talking about FSG and sacking Kenny because some of the same guys who are now defending him have said how awful the season has been.
25 May 2012 11:02:06
Some people need to get a f###ing grip,all I'm reading is FSG are ruining us why havn't they appointed a manager yet blah blah blah Martinez is rubbish blah blah blah,let them pick a manager, as we all wanted kenny and look how that turned out, so let us fans have a little faith and support who ever is appointed , we label ourselves as the most knowledgable abc best fans in the world well let's act like that and give Martinez and FSG a break cheers Pk
Totally agree PK.
I posted yesterday that we are appointing a manager that will take us forward for the next 5-10 years, they are taking their time and rightly so. This will be done within the next week.
Something went on in Boston that we are not privy to, I don't think they thought Kenny would go, maybe we will find out in the coming days. The pressure was getting to Kenny you could tell, when he first came back he was all smiles a year later he looked like he had the world on his shoulders. Saying that I would have liked him to have another Year but maybe he didn't fancy it, who knows?
GGK
GGK totally agree with what you say about kenny getting another year just to see if he could turn it around but I thinks FSG diddnt have enough faith in kenny with further signings cheers pk
25 May 2012 11:00:39
im getting the job ,i could do it ,wait and see !!!!
Can do it ?
25 May 2012 11:00:30
The unthinking attitude by some on here is quite incredible. "Whoever the manger is I will support him 100%. "
Strewth !
Being critical and having strong views about the next manager. Is supporting Liverpool. It means you really care.
Or having a good moan about it really helps,
being critical doesn't help anybody im afraid we have enough critics outside the club without us being at each others throats we need to show we are together
in this and our club will be as strong as ever.
Red Branch
25 May 2012 10:58:05
Hi Eds,
Not really a rumour, more just a question, with pep guardiola stating that he could be tempted by the right offer, do you think FSG might go in for him? Or is he Chelsea bound?
Thanks
Dex {Ed002's Note - Please see previous answers.}
25 May 2012 10:55:46
Just been reading Septic Bladders quote about seeking an alternative to the penalty shoot-out.
Golden goal didn't work as neither team wanted to risk conceding, so the 30 minutes was boring, negative and we still ended up with penalties in most cases.
Reducing the number of players on the pitch for extra time won't work. Most of them are knackered at that point anyway and won't be able to utilise the extra space and again it will be defend as deep as you can and try not to concede.
The lottery of penalties is one way of settling a match that needs a result, but you often get the 'wrong' result. A team will play to not lose/concede and they then win on penalties.
What other realistic alternatives can we all come up with?
1) Coin Toss
2) How about 1-on-1's attacker against the keeper. More skill involved than just blasting the ball between the posts and hoping the keeper doesn't save it, or that you don't slip or miss completely.
3) Open gaol attempts from the half-way line? Again, more skill involved. No keeper on the goal-line of course.
4) Crossbar challenge
5) Skill-School - unbelievable tekkers
6) Target practice. 3 shots to be taken. A choice of different size and range targets/holes. More difficult/smaller targets are awarded higher points. 7) Keepy-Uppy challenge
8) Head tennis
9)
10)
Replay
Puzzled
Team Captain's with dualing pistols at thorty paces.
Reading half these suggestions all I could think was whichever team had beckham/ian harte will win
Ska-oop
It's obvious.
Bit like a shoot out when a
it's level after 5 kicks each.
After 30 mins extra time it's next goal the winner. Eventually someone will make a mistake.
Ha Keepy-uppy challenge - that would be awesome. I want to see a giant net accross the half way line and a big game of volley ball without using hands. That would be a great way to settle any game especially the boring nil nillers.
RealisticRed
Septic Bladder! Funniest thing i've heard all day
Like boxing, points for each round.
Divide the game up into 10 minute slots, possesion, chances on target etc pluss points, fouls, yellow, red cards etc minus points.
the winning team then have to stand in a circle with ref in the middle as he announces the winner they all hold hands and raise their arms, then a pitch invasion.
Piddy.
How about a 100m race between 2 players of the teams.
amar
Every 10 mins of extra time, chuck another ball on the pitch - like having multiball on pinball!
Nick
25 May 2012 10:54:32
same names being touted over last few days, so a little info:
Roberto Martinez, 38 Years old.
nothing really out of the ordinary, progressed as a player into management. Wigan is his second management. Win % = 38%
Brendan rogers, 39 years old.
Mourinho brought him to chelsea to manage the reserves, after initially being approached to manage the youth teams.
Swansea is his 3rd club management. Win % = 41%
Louis Van Gaal. 60 years old.
expect to hear quotes like " total football" and " in maybe 2-3 years time" due to his coaching styles, teams generally do take time to adapt, but his success proves a point? Currently unemployed.
win % = 61%
Michael Laudrup, 47 years old.
famously ruled himself out of Euro 1992 Denmark team that went on win the tournament.Denmark were re-instated into the tournament that year due to Yugoslavia being involved in war, most of the Denmark team cut short their summer holidays to play, Laudrup refused. Seen as by many top pro's as in the "top 5 " of world best players. Was due to sign for us in the 80's, he wanted a 3 year deal, we offered a 4 year, signed for Juve instead.
currently unemployed. Win % = 47
thanks for reading.
Piddy.
Well, Sir Alex Ferguson has a win percentage of just below 60%, so from your stats the only manager that would have us competing with the manchester clubs is Van Gaal.
25 May 2012 10:46:34
Pep to manage us - are you Joking? Seriously does anyone actually think this is going to happen? I know optimism is a great attribute but this is delusional. We are a team that has a great history no doubt but our star has waned - we have finished 6th and 8th the past 2 years. We will find it tough to attract the best as we have little to offer in terms of squad, money and champions league so we must cut our cloth accordingly and hope that next year is better. I for one like Martinez and think he has a dignified approach something we have always had and was missing last year. The real key here is getting our decent players playing well and if Martinez can do that then we may be OK. Ask yourself this though - how many of the current liverpool first team would get in the spurs team who were 4th - what we need to aim for. Skyrtal maybe, maybe Suarez over VDV, maybe reina over friedal and thats it.
Whoever takes the job has a very tough 2 years.
Pompeyred
(Mobile)
24 May 2012 23:54:51
If we get martinez it could pave the way for Moses el habsi and diame 3 players I wouldn't mind possessing
I would...
James MaCarthy is by far the best Wigan player, expect martinez to put an offer in for him within 12 months of getting pool job. He had spoken highly of him in the past saying he would play for a top side in England or europe
If he thinks they are good enough then he will try but if he doesn't then he won't so don't go around saying we missed out when that wouldn't be the case
And that's why we will finish 8th again.
Moses could just be the one to lead us to the promised land
Ambitious attempts for players I can hear the other teams just rolling over and giving us 4th place...
I didn't realise they were calling the championship the promised land now a days.
I remember the days when we signed world class talent like Barnes, Rush, Mascherano, Torres to name but a few.
Now we have supporters actually getting excited about the likes of Diame, El Habsi & Moses joining our once great club. How our standards have slipped.
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Try Ramirez, Al Habsi and Sissoko
I suspect that wigan will put a clause on martinez saying no raiding his former club
25 May 2012 10:42:56
martinez might not be too bad. i look a Avb and the rest most of these so called next big managers i feel are looking for a team that is challenging or close to challenging for honours so it makes them look good when they add one or two players and start winning trophies they dont want a project like liverpool to build a team incase it fails so it shows they arent as good as they seem with the better teams and money
That.... was a very long sentence, i'm knackered...
Avb loves a good project
25 May 2012 10:41:44
Eds, theres a story going around that Guardiola may actually be open to offers this summer. Do you think we'd have a chance of sneaking him from Chelsea. You never know, he might like a challenge. {Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}
25 May 2012 10:29:55
BBC, SKY SPORTS...ect
Pep Guardiola waiting for club to "seduce" him
Departing Barcelona boss Pep Guardiola says he will be ready to return to management in the future for a club that "seduces" him.
The 41-year-old, who is quitting Barca to spend time away from the game, takes charge of his final match on Friday.
"I will receive all calls with pleasure, but for the next [few] months I have to recharge my batteries and my mind," said Guardiola.
"I will be ready [to return] if one club wants me and seduces me."
I think we really need to pull our finger out and seduces this man, he is a big name manager an players are attracted to that, the position we are in at the mo isn't looking good, we are like the runt of the litter an can get the scraps after everyone els has finished getting there teams sorted... With pep it wouldn't be like that an he would know of new and affordable up an comers from barca
25 May 2012 10:28:55
Just for the potential song value we should go for LVG and AVB for LFC......................
The Goatherder
JFT96
Would that make you Haych Ayyy PeePee Why?
25 May 2012 10:27:48
Pep is not available next year, balague "@GuillemBalague: @talkSPORTDrive Adrian, I was there, he answered my question. I'm doing his biog. He's taking a sabbatical for next season. Up to you now"
He has many tweets to English journalists telling them they are all wrong, he is 100% sure he is off next season, and usually he is right.
G BOX
Yes, he is always right.
That's why Granero and Villa play for Liverpool...
Balague has about the same success rate with information as other journalists which is 30%.
I wouldn't bet my house on him being right over this
Granero didn't come because real needed him
D.villa didn't come because H&G pockets suddenly clamped shut
same for D.silva and Jovetic
25 May 2012 10:22:55
Whats going on? Martinez is young, Premiership experience and wants to play the right way. Why all the negativity we are not getting Pep Guardiola or Mourinho so why not him? Dont get me wrong we could go for experience but does that guarantee success, no. I am tired of watching us playing negative football, did we not play 1 up front at home against bottom of the league and lose!
So I say lets show the loyalty a Liverpool manager deserves and give whoever it is 100% backing. Slagging the man before he has even signed is not only disrespectful but lacks class. We are Liverpool and we are better than that. I still feel a sense of shame at the way Roy Hodgeson was treated. He may not have been the right man for us but he is the only manager I can remember who was not backed by the board with money or even worse backed by the fans. There is a long term plan by the owners to get us back to the top lets trust them, what have we got to lose?.......Dont forget not all top managers where football superstars or have only managed big clubs. We all have to start somewhere give the lad a chance. You never know.
Kev the Red
He has been given a chance with Wigan, and he's grabbed it with both hands. Very good manager in my opinion.
Red7.
25 May 2012 10:20:30
On Sky Sports now, Pep Guardiola now saying he will listen to offers and will receive calls with pleasure.
"I will be ready if one club wants me and seduces me"
Balesy
Bales,y maybe you could do the seducing
25 May 2012 10:17:32
if martinez does get the job, expect to hear it first from dave whelan. that man knows more about whats going on at liverpool, than at his own club.
25 May 2012 10:13:51
i not being funny when i say this we know all papers lie to sell there papers we know sky news makes up lies as it a 24 hour station but what they cant make up or lie about is the interview they showing this morning with pep guardiola.his words if a club seduces me i will be ready.i not saying he would accept a job with us but surely henry and werner have to make a statement of intent here and do everything possible to entice pep to our club.if they don't succeed then everyone can get of there backs and probably martinez if he was to be named manager.what does everyone else think eds macca?
Whelan is just enjoying trying to embarrass Liverpool but pretending he knows what's going on assuming we don't have a clue. He's a United fan and loves being beaten by them as he is always banging on about how wonderful they are.
25 May 2012 10:13:48
Can't believe everyone is writing Martinez off before he's even got the job. He's a vibrant, articulate, footballing man, with lots of ideas. I think he will be a breath of fresh air at Liverpool. What he really needs is Henry to back him with a bit of cash now too.
C'mon Martinez.
C'mon the Reds!
Kez
25 May 2012 10:13:38
i hope we dont get martinez he has no experience alls his cv shows is he stopped a poor team getting relegated is that really what the greatest team in the world want as there manager , we deserve top managers with experience winning cups , leagues ... also can everyone stop with these stupid transfers , the eds wont know anything about transfers because there isnt even a manager in place so no transfers willl be getting negotiated so the eds cant answer what players were looking at .
Exactly right mate, he stopped a poor team going down. Something not a lot of managers could do when you look at the squad he has. What'd you expect? We can't reach the top 4, but you expect a team like Wigan to do it? sssshhhhh
Red7.
So by your reckoning no experience means never given the oppurtunity in a job. When you hire for a job, you also want to recruit someone enthusiastic and with potential. Same as in real life. People need to start somewhere and you'll find most managers have otherwise there wouldn't be managers of fotoball clubs at all if they can't start somewhere.
The logic of "big name" managers is flawed. They beome big names by doing things at clubs having proven themselves. And some "big name" managers just go to clubs already flying high with guarunteed massive transfer kitty's so they are not really changing anything, the club already has that ethos of winning, they are just along for the ride. This is why i respect Klopp and De Boer for sticking with their clubs, overseeing a project and not jumping ship when they are flavour of the month.
25 May 2012 10:10:04
ac milan have asked liverpool to release aquilani so they can sign him on a free. i hope they got the response they deserve
Would that be yes?
What a damn cheek!.
AC Milan, lost aLl respect for them now!.
Why not, so long as it's a clean break with no additonal payments (i.e. wage supplements), we should bite their hand off.
Presumably, LFC have been contributing towards his ridiculous salary during both of his loans, so if we no longer have to do so, then surely this would equate with any paltry fee that we would otherwise receive.
25 May 2012 10:02:30
time for all fans to join together and give whoever gets the job our full support, i support liverpool footbal club so whoever is on the pitch or in the dugout gets my full support.
rusedy
25 May 2012 10:00:58
It is reporting on sky'sports that guadiola has suggested he could manage next year if a club "seduces" him. With liverpool and chelsea the biggest profile jobs and the timing of this announcement could this put him in contention?
Although unrealistic I think he would be anyone's preferred choice if he is interested. Plus, do u think the owners will delete their decision for him? In the same article it says he wants at least a month off
Steve gw
25 May 2012 09:48:53
If Henry is taking the interviews himself then we are f***ed! What does he know and does he understand a word that martinez may say to him regarding tactics ect!
Its like me interviewing guys to coach a baseball team, i wouldnt have a clue what to look for!
Do you think a casual chat walking down the road is an interview - JWH will have very knowledgeable football people alongside him and advising him accordingly.
You do know that america has this funny little game called soccer. from what ive heard its just a carbon copy of our football beckham and a few others heard the same and have gone over to play it so unless you personally know that mr Henry isnt a soccer fan he may know abit about it.cheers CRAIG
I very much doubt it'd be a one-on-one interview.
To CRAIG: I think everyone knows a bit about football or soccer as you wanna call it but it doesnt make us qualified to interview a manager at one of europes biggest clubs
Like who? Our invisible DOF or maybe even Ian Ayre who is still over here!
To anonymous i call it football im from liverpool and i never said it did i just didnt like that you if it was you was implying thatnjust because he was american hewouldnt have a clue and i know hes got a team of advisors ive said that many times as the eds can back me up CRAIG
25 May 2012 09:47:47
It is looking more likely that Martinez is going to be appointed but with his win ratio of 27% or so is this really good enough for LFC ? Having Martinez as manager, this will surely affect the kinds of players we attract wont it?
YWNA
Martinez is a gamble may pay back may take us down.
I would love to see any other manager in the world get a better win % than that at Wigan because even the special one would struggle cheers pk
But its unfair to judge him on his win ratio hes never been at a club the caliber of lfc give the man a chance if he gets it and judge him on how he does the job rather than how you think he might do coz hes manager of a smaller club CRAIG
Do people look at stats and actually wonder how they came about? it's not a coin toss you knob! a poor squad, he kept them up, he did more than most could, if that pans out as a 27% win rate, when anything above 20% would've been acceptable under the circumstances then he's done well.
Jamie Carragher's goal scoring stats are FAARR less than that, but he's been a wonderful player for us. Jesus....
Red7.
25 May 2012 09:45:49
a couple of questions and a point..
firstly, no doubt this is going to asked, so to be sure I will ask as I haven't yet seen it, its with regards to guardiola, do you think this may be a proverbial spanner in the works, and do you think we will pursue him after recent comments..
secondly, I have seen the belgian defender vertonghen (spelling) has opted for Spurs over Arsenal, just showing that players will pick the right club, if the offer is right (and not always champions league dependant, which is encouraging) but just to add that doesn't mean we should rest on our laurels..
Cheers
25 May 2012 09:45:21
Happy Istanbul Day everybody. #LFC #May25th #Miracle
#NotAMiracle its #Hardwork
Live-On-Pool
25 May 2012 09:44:15
question for the ed's. I thought Pep Guardiola was backpacking round Thailand
right now, and not even thinking about seeing a jounalist. But then I saw
on the bbc website that he is waiting to be "seduced" by a club after a few months
off recovering from too much football stress.
Now, I am not going to start dreaming of Pep coming to Liverpool, but i do know
he has expressed admiration for our club on a number of occasions, the last time
which comes to mind when he stated our academy is better than Barcelona's.
What is the story with Pep? He wants the summer off I presume, and then he would
take over a chelsea, rome of liverpool in August ?
Thanks, YNWA, Andy W
25 May 2012 09:43:02
Hi eds,first time posting here,great site.Sky sports are reporting that guardiola will listen to job offers,do you think the owners would try to approach him.I think any fan would love to have him.Just like to say that whoever the manager is we should support him and i think the fans that judge a manager before he is given a chance are going on stupid.This club is known for having great supporters but the minority seem to be messing that up by not supporting them because they dont like the choice of manager or player.Whats your view on this eds. {Ed002's Note - Please see earlier answers.}
25 May 2012 09:40:13
this is for the EDs or Macca
with the recent picture of martinez and John Henry surfacing, does this mean its a foregone conclusion, or do they know if we have actually interviewed or are going to interview other candidates in the same vein as Martinez (i dont mean necessarily in shorts, walking down the street with a cappucino in hand)
cheers
Ray {Ed002's Note - It means they have met as part of the interview process.}
25 May 2012 09:39:08
What was the point of sacking Kenny if all we do is appoint Martinez?
Martinez has achieved nothing in football.... he is constantly fighting relegation!
I dont wanna hear the excuse that its only Wigan and that all they are capable of doing.... well if i remember right, Paul Jewell took them to 7th and this season Swansea and Norwich finished comfortably mid-table.
So whats all the fuss about martinez... he's crap!
Bring back Rafa or get Van Gaal and Carra!
I can't believe people still go on with this crap. Really. I give up...
Red7.
Thank you took the word right out of my mouth.
Dav001
(Mobile)
24 May 2012 23:47:29
John Henry : "Yes, you'll never walk down Lime Street any more."
What does this even mean, is this an attack on Henry or are they just stating the obvious being the guy lives in the states and very rarely gets the train to liverpool.
It's line from a Beatles song - Maggie Mae.....
The Gotaherder
JFT96
25 May 2012 09:38:06
Departing Barcelona manager Pep Guardiola says he will listen to offers from clubs during his one-year sabbatical from football, according to the BBC.
Not saying hes coming to us, but just found it interesting. Eds do you think Chelsea will contact him? {Ed002's Note - I suspect they will.}
25 May 2012 09:37:09
It's like 'listening' to a bunch of old women on here!
Have you seen the photo? Is it him? No it's not ! FSG are ruining us. Why haven't we got a manager yet?
I'm glad when Coronation Street is on and this bunch
clear off the keyboards
Puzzled
And your still reading and posting!!
Would you sooner have hicks and gillette ? the moores could not afford the club if they had we would have been portsmouthed
25 May 2012 09:37:06
Hi eds and Macca,
Please post in rumours page. Been following this site for years but this is my first post. Good jobs for keeping it up!
Anyway my question - according to ESPN, Guardiola has been quoted to consider any offers coming his way this summer.
Would our owners be having a go at him now eds? Or has Matinez been formalized..?
Cheers,
FSG couldn't afford Pep.
25 May 2012 09:36:41
I know this is an transfer rumour site but lets be honest, no tranfer targets will be identified and pursued until a new manager/DOF has been employed. The owners will be focusing solely on this aspect for now and once someone is in place then targets can be identified. Any previous targets (Elm, De Jong etc) were Kenny's and Comolli's and the new boss/DOF might well ahve different ideas.
(86.22.33.61)
24 May 2012 23:40:17
I hope everyone ends up eating their own words here and Martinez is successful. (if he ends up being our manager) If everyone just gave him a chance then maybe he could be the man we need, just because he is the manager of Wigan and they flirted with relegation for the whole season does not mean we will do the same. Villas Boas was awful at Chelsea. Van Gaal has been unemployed for a year and Rafa was booted out because of poor results and everybody was pleased to see the back of him, why do you want him back. Good luck Martinez if you do get the job... You will have my support.
Same here whoever comes in should have 100% support from everyone
I would agree with you except that he also flirted with relegation last year, so whats to say next year will be any different
Well this is a majority of the fans fear. That Martinez wont be any good.
If he is good, and implements a winning mentality in the young squad, then people won't moan and instead praise him, sing songs about him and support him loyally.
It's the lack of experience in a big club which is the main projection of people's anxiety and worry.
But it is a logical fallacy to think he's automatically going to be rubbish at a big club because he hasn't managed a big club.
Like your self I will support whoever the owners appoint, however the stumbling block as I see it is that they want to appoint somebody who will be more of a "coach" as opposed to a "manager".
It seems that they would prefer the appointed person to take a slightly more diminished role in off field goings on - transfers, etc, and concentrate his focus on the playing field and training ground, not too disimilliar to what happens in American sports ... the "stumbling block", most of the people being bandied around as candidates and or possibilities seemingly prefer a "all or nothing" role.
The owners may have to settle on the man willing to compromise as opposed to who they really want.
Great call. Im sick of all the rumours. Who ever it is let just get behind them
Do you actually believe everyone wants to see martinez fail if given the job. if he comes in of coarse we all want him to do well ?. Obviously..to everyone but yourself people are just worried....we've had two failures in a row manger wise and a third could be the final nail in the coffin for Liverpool. if this one goes wrong i can't see us in the champions league again for another decade. so you'll forgive people who don't think a manager who's career highlight so far is not being relegated is the right man for what might be the biggest job in the history of the club to get us back on top. and as for rafa...he had one bad season...and only one. never should of left in the 1st place.
We all hope he is successful, the point is Liverpool cannot afford another risk that's why there is so much negativity. You idiot.
Surely as true Liverpool supporters we all get behind Roberto...if he indeed becomes manager.
I have always felt that we are entitled to opinions before an appointment is made but when the new man finally arrives, we support the guy.
I agree with you mate, if it is RM, then he will have my support.
Alot of managers have had disappointing seasons before finally getting it right,let.s hope he is the same if he is the one.
I think it is stupid to write Van Gaal off though, just because he has had a year off.He has been there and done it, got the T shirt.
The way football is evolving now is going back to the very reason Bill Shankley first refused to sign for Liverpool.
The boards essentially picking the players through 'directors of football' cause too much pressure on managers to perform. Unless a compromise is reached over who choses the players being bought the managers will continue to be left in an awkward position.
I love the way that certain fans seem to think we would be relegation candidates if Martinez was our manager. He's saved Wigan from relegation yet again - a team with little money, and little chance attracting great players. What he has done with that club is very impressive. They weren't relegation candidates because he is manager. I don't know if he'd be a success at Liverpool, but he plays the right way. With the right club he could be very successful.
Legend out and 27% win rate nobody in.
Why? Because Martinez will accept mediocrity and no net spent!
Shameful
If he is appointed - I'm sure every Liverpool fan will hope to be wrong about him and he do great, but the fact is there is nothing to suggest he will be! The others you mention have managed teams to champions league finals, won titles in the hardest leagues possible, Martinez had a 9 game run this season, but spent the first 25 games in a sinking ship, he may be great, but there is nothing to suggest he will be yet and therefore fans are right to be concerned by his appointment. If he gets the job I hope he does amazing, but I won't expect him to, in fact I don't expect us to finish in the top 8 with him.
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I will support Martinez 100%! The same as I would any manager! Just coz he isnt Kenny or Rafa, fans seem to think they know best! Yeah, coz u clearly knew best by demanding Kenny be put in control! 8th Place! WOW! If you decide to take the job Roberto, Welcome aboard! {
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Everyone was not happy to see the back of rafa he was at the start of the decline of liverpool that was because of the previous american owners. since he left we havnt finished higher than we did in rafas last season and if wed of signed half the players he scouted we wouldnt be in this situation right now. {Ed002's Note -
Yaawwwwwnnnn
Martinez is a yes man.
Like a good dog, he wants to please his masters!.
Also the cheapest option.
This is what FSG want, forget about 'romanticising' all the rest!.
25 May 2012 09:32:43
Just had Pep Guardiola say on Sky News he would be open to offers!!! Give him as much as he wants and enough money to build a team!!
25 May 2012 09:31:56
Ok i was the first to jump on his back but if martinez takes over lets not let hime become another hodgson lets get behind him and give him support and maybe with us behind him he can do something special ynwa
25 May 2012 09:30:24
Hi Eds and Macca,
Forgive what will seem like a rant but I genuinely wanted your opinions as opposed to any snippet of news.
I don't understand all this unwarranted antagonism towards Roberto Martinez. If I'm not mistaken another of our managers took small steps and learned his craft at Carlisle, Grimsby and Huddersfield...he developed a beautiful flowing positive football that he then transposed to Liverpool when he arrived in 1959...and he is a legend whose statue I will always honour.
Unfortunately the 'championship manager' generation are generally idiots and have little appreciation of value, worth or loyalty. Pep was a second team coach...they forget this rather conveniently.
I would be happy to see Martinez take the role of head coach with Borrell becoming his assistant and a Sporting Director like Txiki or Van Gaal to oversee things - perhaps even Rafa.. A modern hierarchy that will help us move forward is surely what we want AND I'd prefer my team not to engage in the stupidity of a transfer market that has become a media frenzy race. It is stupid and great targets are regularly missed by ALL teams...I prefer a structure that identifies what we want as a team and then goes out to achieve that stealthily...and NOT like some media bombing whore!
Am I being unrealistically romantic...I can no longer tell?
25 May 2012 09:27:12
It's the 7th anniversary of our famous win at Ataturk! We should mark it as 5-stars Day! Singred
25 May 2012 09:26:53
What has always differentiated liverpool fans from others has been the loyalty they show to their own players and managers through thick and thin. We are not seeing much of that loyalty these days.
Dalglish will always be a legend at Anfield, but we need to support the owner's decision (remember - if they had not come along, Liverpool FC might not have existed today as we know it).
Good luck to Martinez if he gets the manager job. He is a very good coach and a good football man. He needs to be given a chance by the fans.
People need to calm down and not have this collective chip on their shoulders.
25 May 2012 09:20:20
I remember the last time Liverpool employed a young, hungry manager from a lower rated side, Bill Shankly. It did not turn out too bad.......
I also remember mate , roy hodgson
Things have changed a little since Shankly's days my friend.
Roy Hodgson was not young you dumbyyy
Leemyster
25 May 2012 09:14:49
Pep Guardiola has now confirmed he is not taking time out he only want 4 weeks to recharge his battery this is too stall the martinez deal he wants the Liverpool job he sees it as a big challenge and has confirmed he loves the history and tradition of liverpool and admires the support the fans give rumour has it he even has youll never walk alone tatooed on his back....... come on Pep bring it on
I don't know about the tattoo but he also likes the LFC Academy set up & it's current youngsters and personally rates it second to barca's.
25 May 2012 09:14:49
So, Guardiola is back on the managerial merry-go-round. A lot of people creaming themselves over the prospect of him coming to Anfield. He broke records at Barcelona and certainly conducts himself in an impeccable manner. But isn't it easy to be generous when you're winning everything? Last summer AVB was all the rage after his success at Porto. Is Pep on the same path?
He broke records with Xabi, Iniesta and Messi. But what about transfers? He swapped goal-machine Eto'o plus 20 million for Zlatan who flopped. He sold Yaya Toure and bought Mascherano then played him as a centre back. On the plus side he bought Villa and Fabregas.
My point is about expectations. Wherever Pep goes he's expected to win everything playing beautiful football and i don't think that's realistic with this squad. A manager like Martinez brings premiership experience and low expectations. Food for thought...
Martinez won't attract top quality players mate....we need someone who can do this cause with out Champions league we will not be able to attract any quality unless we have a manager that people hold in high regards and oppisition will take note of when hired....Do you see Martinez striking fear in the eyes of alex Fergusen?? Do you see Suarez excited about the prospect of working under Martinez?.....Food for thought.
I don't think Pep had responsibility for transfers and I am sure he won't at our club if he comes to LFC (which I doubt).
If we are to believe the rumours we are going to have a new structure, DOF is the most important position. We will have a head coach who will coach the team, identify weaknesses in the team and deal with the press etc. DOF will do everything else, I don't think this is a bad set up, people keep criticising this arrangement, but if the coach or manager is totally focused on the First team surly this is a good thing?
To have total control over the clubs football maybe ok at a smaller club but at a bigger club it is virtually impossible to have total control and do a good job. If your at a big club you are playing in Europe which adds even more to your work load. If Martinez comes in he will have another 15-20 games more than he had at Wigan last season and a bigger Squad to manage.
I want a manager who is involved with the youth/reserves but his totally focused on getting 3pts every weekend.
GGK
25 May 2012 09:11:40
There is a saying that goes "when the desirable is not available,then the available becomes the desirable...(jokes apart).I was among the supporters who wanted dalglish ousted,then hoped for a world class manager to be installed.the managers we are been linked to are either under contract(klopp,de boer,rogers,rjikaard),or are taking a break(guardiola).while other viable options for the job include ;benitez,martinez,avb,laudrup,capello.of the lot,i will stick with fsg on this one...MARTINEZ.The reason i will go for martinez ,is not because of his wigan connections,but because he needs to be given a chance to prove himself.though my preferred choice was bielsa.As some supporters has posted here,great managers did not become great overnight,they started from somewhere.SO WHY NOT MARTINEZ.What we should do as a supporter is to give the "NEW MAN"our support "IMMENSELY"for him to either succeed or fail.thank you very much and to the eds much appreciation from me to you.
25 May 2012 09:10:35
Pep ready to listen to offers !!!
Why don't the Americans win the real fans over and go out and get him?? Major step backwards if we install Martinez, why sack a legend and go with a manager who flirts with relegation year in, year out! What players are going to leave and what players are we going to attract??
We may be as good as Everton the Way things are going!!
UnhappyRed
Win the real fans over; do the real fans need winning over?
Yes mate i think they do!! is that not the reason sos wrote to the americans asking for a explanation to where we stand ? are they not real fans?? we are all in limbo! and not happy scousers ;))))
25 May 2012 09:08:26
surely now that pep guardiola has said if will train again sooner than first said if seduced fsg will at least approach him to see if hes interested?
Real fans !!!! - still laughing at that one, are they the ones slagging off our prospective manager before he's stepped through the door. Real fans support the team through thick and thin - although my loyalty did waver when the Waiter was in charge.
John B
So John B When that certain waiter won us the CL then FA cup then took us to another CL final plus taking us to our highest point's tally ever and being ranked number 1 in Europe for 2/3 season's was'nt you loyal to the club then? Tosser! think before post! In Rafa we trust!
25 May 2012 09:04:54
hello edd's...with pep just dropping the bombshell he can be seduced into another job sooner than we thought ..do u think fsg will look at this situation and maybe change direction or maybe holt proceedings with martinez etc and try and move for pep ? {Ed002's Note - I really don't see Guardiola moving to Liverpool. Sorry.}
Why not Ed, if he goes to Chealsa he will get big Roman interfering and saying who should play at Liverpool he could just get on with it making us great again.
stevie {Ed002's Note - Who said anything about Chelsea? Who is "Big Roman"?}
Well that's only your opinion ed002 stranger thing's have happened!
25 May 2012 09:04:53
I dont understand why everyone or a majority have been against martinez , ok so Wigan did not set the prem on fire, yes they were in the relagation zone for a while, but they did not get relegated, so his man managment must be good to motivate his side to beat the drop.
He had no where near the budget we had, yet he got a team playing some good football and I think while everyone goes on about they were fighting relegation, Martinez's Wigan finished 9 points behind us, and before you all say "we had a bad season, we under performed", did wigan have a good season? NO.
So if he is appointed Manager/coach then lets get behind him and see what he does and then and only then Judge him.
kevc
25 May 2012 09:02:10
So, Guardiola's off to Chelsea then?
Furqan.
With all there millions they can throw on any player who wouldn't want to manage a team with unlimited funds like chelsea and the manchester clubs?
25 May 2012 08:53:36
Bbc sports reporting that guardiola will listen to offers and will be available again after having month to recharge batteries! Did fsg change his mind? Or have Chelsea bought their man? Or could there be something else on the table? What's the eds thoughts/opinion, (joking about fsg). {Ed002's Note - I rather doubt that Guardiola will be manager of Liverpool next season.}
25 May 2012 08:50:13
with martinez and henry seen out on a date together ....and with no other pics surfacing of henry flirting with other candidates ..its safe to assume mr henry wanted us to see this otherwise the martinez interview/meeting would of been held behind closed doors...my theory now is that we start to be run like a baseball team or nfl team were the manager coach doesn't build a team he just inherits and looks after the clubs players but any transfer or squad replacement is handled by the GM or in our speak the DOF....that way all purchases are done by the board and the players are then aligned to the club rather than to a coach who bought them as now our coaches will do JUST that coach and nothing else ...watch moneyball with brad pitt for a glimpse into mr henrys usual way of running his business ...
25 May 2012 08:49:21
Hi,
It has been posted on the lfc website that Jen Chang has now been announced as Corporate Relations and Comms Director.
"Liverpool FC today announced that Jen Chang will take up the position as the Club's Corporate Relations and Communications Director."
Congrats to him. Now we have one of the three people now to get the DoF and Manager.
25 May 2012 08:48:44
wigan finished 11th under steve bruce. then look how useless he was at sunderland. uh oh.
redkenyan
Look at the difference in the style Football they both played!
Lyndon
25 May 2012 08:47:26
The king didn't get a fair chance! we play class football under him just cannot score!
Idolised Kenny as a player - never forgiven him for walking out on us in 1991 leaving us in the s***e, but last season he made the tinker man Ranieri look solid.
Never forgiven him?!?! You are aware of the circumstances leading to him leaving, the drain on him that attending so many funerals and overseeing Hillsborough due to his neverending support for the families and the club.
25 may 2012 08:47:04
all the negativity is making me laugh. i remember not so long ago that every liverpool fan was moaning and complaining about the club doing all its dirty washing and business in public. now that the owners have gone back to "the good old days" and are keeping their cards close to their chest and not leaking all their plans, some so called fans are complaining.
lets get behind our great club and welcome the fact that no one knows what will happen re manager, signings, transfer fees etc.
if martinez is made manager, then welcome him like the next great manager to lead liverpool back to the glory days many of us remember from the late 70's and 80's.
we are liverpool fc, the greatest team in the world and our manager, who ever he will be should be told ynwa!!!
25 May 2012 08:46:18
Guardiola will step down as Barcelona chief at the end of this campaign, and it was expected he would stay out of the game for at least a season in order to rest.
However, the Spanish manager, a reported target for the Anfield and Stamford Bridge clubs, has revealed he is willing to return to football sooner than has been anticipated.
"For the next month I have to charge my batteries," he said. "I will rest and I will wait. I will be ready, if one club wants me, if they seduce me, I will train again."
Guardiola won three successive La Liga titles at Camp Nou, lifting the Champions League trophy in 2009 and 2011, as well as subsequently winning the FIFA Club World Cup on two occasions.
He revealed last month that he was to leave Barcelona, citing the stress-inducing pressures of the top job at one of the world's leading clubs. Assistant Tito Vilanova will take over from him next season.
Champions League winners Chelsea are expected to have a better chance than Liverpool of enticing Guardiola, with owner Roman Abramovich reportedly an admirer.
The Reds, who are in talks with Wigan manager Roberto Martinez, are likely to be keeping a keen eye on the situation, however.
never know there may be a chance of guardiola !
DLG
25 May 2012 08:40:39
Make of this what you will. On the BBC website.
Departing Barcelona boss Pep Guardiola has hinted that he could be ready to return to management next season.
The 41-year-old, whose final game in charge of the Catalan club is the Copa del Rey final, opted to leave the Nou Camp to take time away from the game.
But ahead of Friday's match, he said: "I will receive all calls with pleasure, but for the next month I have to recharge my batteries and my mind.
"I will be ready [to return] if one club wants me and seduces me."
Any guesses as to which one??
RED FIRST & LAST.
It won't be Liverpool so who cares
He has been misquoted, he actually said the next "months". He will not be in charge of any club for next season..
Stone YNWA.
What could we offer him?
Ask him to make us great while FSG tie both hands behind his back?
Face FACTS we are not attractive to top managers or world class players. So LFC will have to gamble on cheap unproven managers and players.
FSG have done their headline spending.
So no Pep or Jose no Higiun etc
I seen the same thing on sky sports , maybe this is what the owners have been waiting for , Pep was on a years long roling contract at barca and that would suit our owners down to the ground , it did not make sense to me that a successful pair of buisnesmen would sack a manager without anyone to go straight in , it also could take a month to interview all the candidates for the job and to make their mind up , so as i said before these interviews could be smoke screens untill the man they want comes out and says he's ready , just like Pe did , heres wishing that father xmas is real
His couch and tv at home football club
I have a really sneaky feeling it could be spurs? & I'll tell you for why, levy and redknapp have had a big taking out! Apparently harry, behind the scenes, was bivging himself up r.e the england job, also during his trial harry was none existent at the training ground, levy have him complete support during the trial and felt completely let down when hearing harry's private comments regarding england and the vacancy, also levy and guardiola are good friends!
Guillem balance has said on his official twitter he asked the question about his time off and he said pep said I need months off not a month, he will be out for a season
G BOX
Depending what site you read - it appears he said he would like a job for next season.
25 May 2012 08:34:24
Lads lets take a minute here and relax.
First of all we all knew that Martinez was going to get an interview, just because he has been seen in a photo having coffee with JH doesnt mean that he has the job yet (unless there is something I have missed at the time of writing this).
Second, there are more variants than just a manager that can make a club successful, how many clubs had Harry Redknapp been successful at before he went to Spurs? None. He 'flirted' with relegation with almost every club he was at and even got a couple of them relegated. Yet Spurs have been a success under him, that success is down to Redknapp, his scouting team and his chairman Daniel levy (and a number of other factors I'm sure). Levy has done an excellent job at selling the spurs brand to big players and taking a chance on promising young players. The scouting system at Spurs is also at a higher level then ours was last season, as well as that at other clubs.
Lastly, to me it seems that the owners want success, they sacked Hodgson when they felt the time was right and did the same with Commoli and KK. Whether you agree with KK's sacking or not, the league table doesnt lie and he wasnt getting the results he needed to keep his job, bad luck aside. They have spent a huge amount on players that they trusted KK and Commoli's advice on, and many of these players havent performed; whether thats down to how they were managed last season or just lack of quality I'm personally not too sure, maybe time will tell.
My point is that I do think that the owners want success as much as we do, and to me their actions so far have shown that. And I think if they do appoint Martinez and it doesnt work out, he'll be out the door fairly sharpish. Also, if its clearly from a financial point of view then I still think they want success as much as we do, its simple the higher up the league you finish, the more you play in europe etc the more money you earn.
Lets not lose our heads, send stupid letters to the owners or build websites demanding managers are re-instated just yet and get behind whoever the new man is. I dont personally know how exactly it might go under Martinez, but I'm still gonna get behind whoever the new man is and the team.
Rant over.
Barrypool
25 May 2012 08:32:18
Ed's, great job on keeping up with all the madness.
I'd just like to make an observation. I get on here nearly everyday looking for answers and over the last couple weeks I've learned only one thing. Everyone on here and everyone in the media are absolutely clueless over this manager ordeal. So far everyone's "source" has been dead wrong and the only people I trust are the Eds because they're honest enough to say they don't know a single thing.
And would it hurt to do a quick grammar/spell check before submitting your "rumours?"
That's all,
AmRed
I 100% agree, especially to the last part about grammer.
Jack in the Box
Dead wrong?
robbie
25 May 2012 08:31:13
Hi all -
what do we reckon now that Pep has said if a club "seduce" him, he will be ready for next season? (on BBC Sport this morning...)
Will FSG sit up and take notice of this? I think they would have to back him with a huge wedge of cash, and do we really have it?
Surely they must give him a call at least?!
Capello would be my personal choice.
What do you reckon ED's?
Maybe JH could slip on a nice little Victoria Secrets number and go to Barcelona, where he might bump into Pep wandering down Las Ramblas
Agreed with all till you said Capello bit
25 May 2012 08:30:28
Well said Macca.
If it is martinez, at least we know for a fact we will play attacking football and communication with the two spaniards running the reserve and youth set up will be great!
25 May 2012 08:27:04
Hi Eds, Reports say the Pep Guardiola is now open to job offers. Would FSG chase him if so. What dream to have Pep in charge. Cheers {Ed002's Note - I doubt it.}
Why you doubt it?you think he would rather go to chelski do you? i think if pep wanted to take a job in england we would have more of a chance than chelsea {Ed002's Note - Why this obsession with making comparisons with other clubs? You should sign your posts so you can come back and say "I told you so" when Guardiola signs for Liverpool.}
25 May 2012 08:26:32
Hi Ed, not a rumour, just a moan. there seems to be slot of so called supporters dismissing the idea of Martinez becoming our next manager. If he is appointed, you will defiantly see a different style of football, one that will be close to how we used to play. You will also see respect from the players like we had with KD, but people have got to stop this past history s**te. We have owners who have a winning mentality, but yet again we have so called supporters fighting against them. These are owners that have put there money were there mouths are, and are looking to continue this until we get right up there again. Why not get behind the club and stop this tirade of our history and look to what we can achieve in the future, things aren't won on past history, only current day happenings.
The owners don't have a winning mentality in Football, if so what have they won apart from the michaell mouse cup
Thats 1 cup more than 17 other teams in the league this year
25 May 2012 08:24:01
come on lads. give Martinez a chance and remember most of the best managers in the game never played at the top end of footie. some are saying if Kenny cannot get them playing then what chance does Roberto, well if the players don't bust a gut for the new manager then as LFC has always done in the past its bye bye to them and a start of a new evolution. We need to give him a chance through thick and thin just like that great song of ours. well said also to Macca for telling everyone too pull in the same direction and to stop bitching, we are not fake fans unlike chavski.
LEP72
25 May 2012 08:20:45
Guardiola just hinted that he can possibly return to football, will the owners be interested in this news? Are they too far into talks with Martinez?
Cheers
LFCHaak
Oh here we go, STOP DREAMING.
25 May 2012 08:24:11
just saying, it has been said that the management will take their time to chose a manager and there will be talks to more than 1 guy. So Martinez will be the first one to meet the owners, don't be surprised to see 1-2 more guys walking down Miami with John W. Henry
(Mobile)
24 May 2012 23:35:25
FSG still to interview 2/3 candidates. Rogers IS one of them! And the pic floating around is rediculous lol.
Ridiculous in what way, do u really think its a fake?
25 May 2012 08:19:55
Pep Guardiola has just been on sky sports saying 'if a club seduce me I will take a job next season'. Mr Henry, book a flight to Spain, grab your finest disco pants and a Barry White CD and seduce the man damn it!
Damion
25 May 2012 08:18:08
so with guardiola sayin he would manage another team next season, does this change anything? or do u think he will be like mourinho and prove he can go to the top teams in each league to show how s**t he is or do you think hes up for a challenge? and theres no bigger challenge than us right now.
25 May 2012 08:17:53
Proof that pep is coming to liverpool!
https://twitter.com/AccioMaria/status/205778438408241152/photo/1/large
On a serious note, why is everyone assuming that Martinez has the job because of the pictures? Didn't Whelan himself say that Martinez was going to meet with a us a couple days ago
Agreed about whelan. also don't believe anyone should believe twitter afterall most of what you hear is boll*cks, what with everybody claiming to have a source.
25 May 2012 08:08:06
Just seen that Guardiola "will be ready to listen to clubs that seduce him". I know this is wishful thinking but is there any chance of us at least trying to get him?
Cheers PJH
It's at least worth a couple of bacardi breezers and a quick scrummage...not everyones idea of seduction but I'm from Liverpool ;p
25 May 2012 08:06:42
hey eds
now guardiola has said he will listen to offers do you think we might contact him?
thanks {Ed002's Note - I don't see him as a viable option.}
25 May 2012 08:14:33
Can someone please enlighten me what Martinez has actually done as a manager? Would be a step backwards in bringing him to the helm. Need someone who's won trophies and managed in European competition, not someone who's avoided relegation two years in a row.
Nervous times
He got 1 point in his opening 9 games for wigan last season. obviously you can't compare wigan to lfc but it's still worrying.
redkenyan
25 May 2012 08:14:31
Early return for Guardiola?
Liverpool?
25 May 2012 08:11:28
So Pep wants a month off to recharge his batteries now and is open to offers. He has said previously he wants to build a club up organically and wants a challenge abroad. Mr Henry, please stop strolling around Miami with Martinez drinking coffee. Board the next plane to Barcelona and offer him the job before Chelsea start sniffing!
Pep wants to take 'months' off there was one letter dropped in the translation and the papers have jumped on it for chelski and Liverpool, madness
KopIdol YNWA
25 May 2012 08:07:06
Hey Ed's, at this moment I would like to rule myself out of taking the managers job, it wouldn't fit in with my career direction.
Well everybody else seems to be doing it according to the papers. The papers hate not knowing anything, so they just make things up. Think they must have a hat with all the names in and drag one out when they want to make a rejection story up.
Sooty
25 May 2012 08:05:35
hey eds just a few questions , please post and answer
1) do you think martinez will be manager?
2) when do you think the new manager will be anounced?
3) do you think the DOF will be someone like van gaal or tixik to help martinez if he is manager,
thanks
Not even Derek Acorah knows the answers to these questions
25 May 2012 08:04:58
Lets go get Pep Guardiola, today he stated he is happy to look at jobs for next season...
My wife would love to come watch games with me then!
YNWA jns
P.S. Ed002 - do you think Chelski number one target for manager is Pep Guardiola?
JH will TOP Chelsea, he'll seduce pep with wades of cash and an unlimited transfer budget, for a second I was starting to believe that myself but then reality dawned and Roman's check cheque book jumped up and seduced Pep. {Ed002's Note - Chelsea had two targets for manager and neither seemed available - it seems now that one may be. We will see if Chelsea show an interest.}
Ed002 - Rumours that Di Matteo been offered a 1 year deal at Chelsea, maybe its only a year deal so that in a seasons time Pep would be ready to return to the game and Chelsea would be able to snap him up - maybe a deal in principle has been agreed??
Whats your thoughts Ed002?
YNWA jns {Ed002's Note - Nothing has been agreed at this time.}
25 May 2012 08:03:54
All I am saying is that whoever our new manager is and whatever players we bring in we should have realistic ambitions for next season. it is doubtful that we will get top four so for me i would expect 5th or 6th then the next season we would expect that top four spot. but i will support whatever manager wherever we are.
That's what I call great support - aim for 5th or 6th - WOW.
Top 4 is a realistic ambition. We should aim to be above Arsenal, Spurs and Newcastle.
Arsenal have a better squad then us and they have already signed two very good new recruits for the new season be realistic mate!
25 May 2012 08:03:26
Hi Eds, Good work on the site!
Personally i believe that FSG are going about there business in the correct manner and are carefully considering who the next manager is to be. If Martinez gets the job then he will have my full support. He has knowledge of the spanish and premier leagues and i personally think he would be a good manager. Its clear from the FSG that the manager will have a sole role of picking and motivating the team. If he can motivate a team to perform and stay up in the premiership on a shoe string budget then i think he has every chance of being a success at anfield. We are clearly building for the future with organisation and identity. Its time that my fellow liverpool fans realise that we cant compete financially with Man POO, Chelski or City. we have to be smart and FSG are doing the correct thing. I think we all need to have a little faith in our owners and give them the benefit of the doubt at the end of the day its there investment and they want a return.
Very well said. Martinez wasnt my first choice, but i feel hes the only one who will work under a more bigger name DOF.
25 May 2012 08:00:58
I feel like Whelan is just saying things for the sake of saying things hes finally getting some sort of attention from the media so hes just spouting any old nonsense... but my question is this is Guardiola back in the running now that he said he wouldn't mind working for a club after summer?
25 May 2012 07:57:41
Eds can you help me out here? What is Martinez's style?im all for giving a young manager a crack but hopefully it is attractive football.thanks
Kp
Its key which players he can attract - i believe he wont have as much pull as Klopp or AVB...
NS
Liverpool FC should be enough pull
25 May 2012 07:57:07
Hi eds, is it 90% Martinez then? Looks pretty likely to me. And if it is , we all need to GET BEHIND HIM! success doesn't happen overnight , unless some sheikh is paying for for it. Give Martinez a chance, frankly its disgraceful that people are attacking him before he's even hired! Under the direction of LVG, i really think it could work. thanks , great site.
25 May 2012 07:55:17
Good Morning EDs/Macca/Fellow Reds
7 years ago to the day it was my 18th birthday, but more importantly than that it was the day we won the European Cup for the 5th time in our great clubs history! I remember the positivity surrounding us and the potential of Liverpool winning the title again!
Fast forward 7 years and yes it's my 25th Birthday today, but more importantly Liverpool are on the verge of the biggest signing we have made in years, a new manager! I know Roy wasn't everybodies favourite and the same can be said for Martinez but we need to back our manager, look what happened when we didn't, we fell into relegation territory, the players felt the pressure and we massively underacheived! I know Roy made some bad decisions but ultimately so did we as fans! When we were 3-0 down in Istanbul we sang our glorious anthem, can we all try and do that for the new manager whoever they are when we are losing this season and remember who we are! Just a request!
Keep The Faith YNWA JFT96
Jonboy6
Happy 25th birthday Jonboy! In Rafa we trust!
25 May 2012 07:54:25
Guardiola now saying he could be open to offers, but not for a month or so.
It would be a big gamble to wait then not get him.
A bit late for transfers too.
Aintree red
25 May 2012 07:54:02
Why are FSG persisting with this Director of Football role? Don't they know that no decent manager wants to be merely a 'coach'? I mean you don't see people choosing the players for Alex Ferguson or Mourinho. I cannot believe the owners are this clueless about football. This isn't baseball!
In your world Mourinho has fully control or Real Madrid.
The President is all but the director of football controlling who bought In
Your lack of knowledge is Shocking
Lyndon
Mourinho has full control at Real.
BJH YNWA
25 May 2012 07:52:29
Quite a lot of people on here should do some real reading up on FSG, never mind the fact that they are American or do things a certain way or dont let so called fans in on their private business till there is a need to know............THEY ARE WINNERS!!.........They win at nearly everything they do and that is all they are interested in, The touted long term plan if its true will put us back where we belong, especially when the fifa fair play rules come in fully, clubs with mass worldwide appeal will benefit more than any plastics out there at that point, so if FSG have a solid structure with the right people all pulling in the right direction then we'll be set to run as a business within our own funding and be able to attract the top stars of the game.
Im afraid some of these who are spending money now are short term plan makers as when the it comes down to it their own worldwide fanbases arent in the same league as ours or Man utd's.
Do some reading.............Have some patience.........Do less grumbling........Itll all come back where it belongs soon enough.........
The Guv 81-9 YNWA JFT96
25 May 2012 07:50:10
Now that guardiola has come out saying he is ready to listen to offers any chance owners will approach him surely they have to try to
25 May 2012 07:22:10
As Kevin Keegan once said I would just "love it" if Martinez does well at LFC and all the dormers and gloomers could eat there words! But how many will come out. And say they were wrong? I have certainly seen our fans in a different light recently. Like petulant school children stamping there feet cos there not getting there own way.
I'm not even saying Martinez is the right guy but surely are world renowned support means we should give him a chance??
Mike
25 May 2012 07:18:37
Caught up with Olof Mellberg of Olympiakos during their tour of melbourne last week. he is telling me that Roberto Martinez will be 100% coach oif Villa next season.
Thats great news for us reds, now replacing King kenny with an escape artist is not what we need. Mr JW Henry please please please dip into those large pockets of your and go after PEP GUARDIOLA.....
Liverpool 4 Life.............
Delusional at best - why would someone with an almost perfect record as a manager risk his reputation on a poisoned chalice like us at the moment. Although it would be a brilliant boost to everyone at the club
^ So why post the post you sent in?
25 May 2012 07:17:04
It's a bold decision and it's taken me a long time to get to this point but I'm finally ready to admit.....I like Roberto Martinez. Right I've said it and boy do I feel much better!
Embrace the change people, embrace the change.
Papa G
As a person maybe but not manager!
25 May 2012 07:13:58
Martinez ? WTF !
The relegation zone beckons.
About time Mummy & Daddy put some
Parental Controls on your computer!
Then we'd thankfully be free of your Stupidity
Lyndon
25 May 2012 07:12:41
Can't believe the amount of people that are slagging Martinez already. Get behind him!!! Feels like hodgson all over again, this club are our own worst enemies at times. Kenny was brought in to steady the ship and personally I don't think he expected to be in charge long term. Our league record was disgusting and if LFC fans think that winning a Carling cup is acceptable then maybe you should I and watch Birmingham or stoke city. Martinez is a very intelligent manager that knows
His football. He plays a great brand of exciting football at Wigan but didn't have the players. With the financial backing of the club he could really get the best out of top end players and have us playing the Liverpool way again.
Have faith
You say it feel's like Hodgson all over again! Well it certainly look's like the Hodgson scenario all over again! Except Martinez never took his side to a European final in his last game at his old club! In rafa we trust!
25 May 2012 07:11:15
Guardiola on sky sports news during Barcelona press conference stated " I will be interested in managing a club next season if I can be seduced "
Surely it must be worth FSG trying to seduce him before they make a final decision on the new boss.
25 May 2012 07:09:39
Another stupid comment from a so called Liverpool fan.
You can not compare as it is not like or like, 27% win rate at Wigan is not bad going, their net spend over the last 2 seasons is -10 million!
Get real and don't bother commenting if you can't talk sense.
MJ
25 May 2012 07:09:03
Bring Rafa back !
Martinez will be gone by Christmas.
25 May 2012 07:04:24
I know hes going chelsea but i would love for the owners to beat chelsea to guardiola but i better face reality and say its martinez
Not a chance - hopefully, he's the last person this club needs now.
John B
25 May 2012 07:01:06
Not very excited if martinez is our new coach, but the guy needs our support since he is very young n who knows, he might end up being better than rafa. However we definitely need a dof to attract better players like louis van gaal, martinez n van gaal could be winning combo.
Indian Buzzer
25 May 2012 06:54:11
Not Liverpool related , but can the Ed's clear this up. Is Scott Parker still a West Ham player ? I am sure he was on loan at Spurs ? Does that mean he will go back to Hammers ?
Maybe we should bid for him , him and Stevie G would be unstoppable {Ed002's Note - He is a Spurs player.}
Unstoppable like they were for England when they lost to the Dutch?
AmRed
Massively, massively overrated
Chris in Tamworth
25 May 2012 06:53:00
Hi Eds,
Great Site.
If Martinez is what we are getting, ill back him no matter what.
Just want to know on what basis is the manager selected? Who would be in the panel with John henry and tom werner?
Thanks and have a nice weekend.
25 May 2012 06:49:23
If Martinez were to use the 3-4-3 system who would u guys pick to partner Skrtel and Agger? Kelly or Coates?
Garth
I'm glad someone has asked this question. I'm a great lover of the 3 at the back system!
Kelly is certainly more mobile so I'd play him..
Reina
Kelly Skrtel Agger
Johnson Gerrard Lucas Enrique
Suarez Carroll Bellamy
Stone YNWA.
25 May 2012 06:40:47
I can understand everyone's concerns over Martinez (he's unproven etc).
But under the new structure he'll only be responsible for coaching the first team, so suggestions he'd want to sign Wigan players would surely need to be agreed by the DoF (when we get one).
I'm starting to think Martinez might be a decent option (players love him, he even got NZogbia to have a good season). But only if we get a high-profile experienced DoF.
Raoul
25 May 2012 06:35:33
Pep Guardiola is on his way to Anfield, my son works in Ladbrokes and has taken a few substantial wagers.
25 May 2012 06:17:40
Martinez? Has a win rate of 30%, what class players are going to want come play for him? He has never even worked at big club, intact he has never even played or a big club!, it's a joke, he is getting praised for not getting relegated?, I'm sorry another chance of big fish in a small pond with him at wigna he will be way out of his depth at us, our club is turning into a joke. Gutted.
Or are Wigan going to be awesome for the next few years ala Swansea?
Len
25 May 2012 04:40:45
If the owners think that Martinez is the right choice for the job, that is fine. He will get my support regardless.
But just because they are walking down the street together doesn't mean he will get the job. Maybe they want to see if he is a nice guy before they give him the job. He might crumble in a one on one situation, anybody can say the right things in a job interview.
NGF1
25 May 2012 04:21:51
Hi Eds,
thank you for posting my previous rumours,
Credit to my source for giving me the right info.
it's 2 weeks ago that i knew it was going to be Martinez.
I knew,my source had a clue,
Roberto Martinez is the new manager.
Y.N.W.A
The Anfield Swallow. {Ed002's Note - But it was yesterday that you mentioned MArtinez.}
25 May 2012 03:46:31
It is time for a reality check. We were nearly out of business 18 months ago. No matter how much the club means to us all we have not won the league for twenty odd years.
People think we should be signing a big name manager e.g. Guardiola and star players e.g. Higuain. Quite simply that is not the level we are operating at just now.
FSG realise we cannot compete with City and Chelsea spending wise. When it comes to a manager or players we need to be clever and find the next big thing and build. Will it be Martinez? I don't know but he does seem to do a lot of things right.
To all those who say we need a manager with a proven track record of winning things check out some history. What had Shankly won before LFC? Paisley? Fagan? Dalglish?
Crazy Horse
The last time someone won the League Title in England's top division without having first won the league as a manager in another country already was Howard Wilkinson for Leeds - in 1992 !
The OP is making way too much sense there. Won't wash with this lot m8.
Len
25 May 2012 03:28:46
A.V.B... over martinez and rodgers any day......
25 May 2012 03:01:38
please eds, please post this
i bet if martinez does actually get the job & is successful, all the mourners here will be the first to say how they always supported his appointment & how he always had their 100% backing.
p.s. lets just put our trust in the owners for once, do you actually think they would take such important decisions regarding their investment without careful consideration. most of the people come over and mourn here because their particular choice for manager has not been appointed. lets just trust the owners and show our full support to whoever becomes the new manager, be it martinez or anyone else. i was just on the official forums at liverpool.tv & one guy is already saying, he'll come with 'martinez out' banners at the first home game of the season. thats just sad & childish & unbecoming of a liverpool supporter.
I have not wanted Martinez from the start, I just had higher expectations,however if he is appointed of course I want him to do well,for the club and I would gladly be the first to admit I was wrong..
Dav001
25 May 2012 02:56:41
What about Van Gaal to take the manager role? he achieved several things at Bayern and his team played well
25 May 2012 02:50:54
The owners will hire whoever they want and us slagging them off and showing no support will do them no good at all so whoever it is I will support and wish them all the best and hope it all works out
25 May 2012 02:27:14
well, one things forsure. As soon as whelan hears anything about martinez getting the job or not getting it we will all know right away. most likely before we make official announcement if he does end up getting the job.
25 May 2012 02:01:56
hi eds/macca top site you guys do an excellent job dont know how you do it myself keep answering the same questions so sorry if you've already answered this but with martinez looking as if he will be manager (could do alot worse in my opinion) do you think van gaal will be interested in the dof position as he has expressed his desire to return to management? thanks and keep up the excellent work
25 May 2012 01:59:08
Martinez will snub Liverpool, Aston Villa, and West Brom to finish his project at Wigan.
As for the photos, I believe its hoaxed. Why would two people, almost at the same location, take the picture? Why would they be walking outside? It just doesn't make sense to me. That is just unheard of.
Yes most people will disagree with me but I feel that two photos are fake.
SLURed {Ed002's Note - Some people do walk outside you know.}
What a stupid thing to say, it's now unheard of to be outside?
25 May 2012 01:52:11
Hve just seen yhe first pic of martinez suposidly with liverpool owner, i dont think it is henry have seen him here in states many times he is far to classy to walk the streets with his shirt out.
martin p
p.s he is allso a lot taller than martinez.
25 May 2012 01:50:22
let me tell you all all...as both a boston red socks and liverpool supporter I was initially very happy when these owners took over. They really are great owners and I am confident they will take us in the right direction after seeing what they have done with the red socks.
That being said...they are AWFUL at picking out new managers. They have been terrible at this for the red socks and I fear Martinez wouldn't work out as they expect...let's hope I am wrong..
Sox
25 May 2012 01:48:11
From the picture it looks like very already working together to be honest. Casually having coffee walking down the street. Looks like decision been made and like they prob already think about the team for next year and if anyone needs to be added.
For all the haters of Martinez aswell. Just give the owners the chance to do what they need to do. Of course we all would of wanted a pep guardiola but that is not realistic. You know great clubs like liverpool wasn't built over night. Unfortunately old ownership let the club down including the english owners. They didnt keep up with Utd finance wise hence they took over us.
Also Barca could have had any manager they wanted. They are the greatest team at the moment and yet they decided to give a young un proven manager a go and look what happened. Man Utd took fergie on he had a nightmare of a first few seasons and now look he is a legend for every utd fan. And always will be. It isn't as simple as saying well he the best just go for him. Think of chelsea they spent millions over the last few years and yet still it took them years to win CL and they still couldn't finish in top four. It is a business you need to build properly. Let them do it.
Martinez wouldn't of been my first choice but i can see why they did it and he does play football which is extremely attractive let's get behind him and the club and see what happens. It can't get much worse than the last few years at our club. :)
jordan
25 May 2012 01:38:41
She can't tend to my goal is she wants!
AnfieldUSA
25 May 2012 01:38:14
Rafa is the man but fsg know better.............. this Martinez thing will be a car crash.
Cally
25 May 2012 01:33:30
I have no doubt that Martinez will be a superb manager and I hope with all my LFC heart that its with us; maybe FSG will shoot themselves in the foot if they go with Martinez but he is a decent and honourable man who actually plays good football. I do feel it would be a gamble, but its one that could pay off if he is installed with an experianced "hard nosed" DoF behind him. People say, keeping Wigan up is different to managing Liverpool and yes, to a point, thats true, but he will have a higher calibre of player at his disposal and the means to bring in a better class of player than he did at Wigan. Lets not forget some of the results he manged with (and with no disrespect meant) the likes of Maloney, Boyce, a very over rated Moses, etc etc etc. If he could galvanise a Liverpool team like the Wigan one of the last few months then we would win more games than we drew or lost thats for sure. Yes, he would need a slice of luck, but for me its a change of direction for us as a club and maybe thats what we need?? We have lost our way in some respects and our standards have dropped in more ways than one recently. I like him: I rate him: I wish him luck. I only have two worries: 1 - A lot of Fans will NEVER accept this appointment 2- His standing (still young) in the game may not be enough to entice any "bigger" players, although Van Gaal as DoF would help this. I loved Kenny...........feel he should have had another year, but they made the decision and I will back whatever they choose. YNWA
25 May 2012 01:31:28
A liverpool season ticket has increased by 1.5 per cent. What a joke. Do you have £802, to spend next season.
Thought the season ticket price's would be frozen for the coming season! Any input Ed's?
25 May 2012 01:29:14
lol. Martin for the job...
We need someone experience in regulation battles. Sign of the times. Expect a bottom half finsih next year.lol
cheapo owners strike again, 500k Roberto Martinez. I'll be surprised the owners would be willing to pay 2million in comp for this level of manager.
I don't mean to be funny, but isn't martinez making a massive jump in management. He hasn't managed a middle-level club like Aston Villa. infact he turned the job down. So from bottom table stuff, he now fighting for champions league place.
He just doesn't stack up as a manager, how will he deal with Gerrard. The guy who is really in charge. Its going to be a case of RoY all over again.
25 May 2012 01:17:09
Maybe they met in miami, to watch lebron james miami heat, and hasn't he got a stake in liverpool, and might off been going over liverpools pre-season tour, proper made up if its cofirmed, start buying and selling, the euro's then the london olympics, then the new look, new kit, new manager, new players and new optimism! Its a goodun! Just wish, all lfc fans get behind him from the start! He and we need to stick as 1, we have 19 teams to fight (not literally) and argue with already, good youth, 4 cups, back in europe! And we will get in that top 4! BELIEVE IT MEN and LADIES! We r LIVERPOOL F.C the GREATEST CLUB THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN! Y...N...W...A! Jft96 LET'S AV IT. Fergie, wenger, mancinni, di-matteo?, Harry, Pardew and oh yeah Moyes! Nice 1 ED'S HERBIE, BOOTLE, SCOUSELAND!
Fantastic...
25 May 2012 01:17:03
An even scarier thought for Liverpool is FSG want to give the new manager time to build, so if Martinez is having a nightmare of a season they are gonna stick by him for at least a couple of years.
i am genuinely worried about whats gonna happen, if Kenny Dalglish a Liverpool legend and one of the best players ever couldnt motivate the current Liverpool players, what chance does Martinez have? he doesnt stand a chance, firstly i dont believe he is good enough tactically, secondly he never has a plan b, a way to adapt, thirdly Liverpool dont have the squad to compete, and the appointment of Martinez means FSG are trying to do things on the cheap which means limited budget for new signings, which eventually means another turbulent season.
i was questioning the sacking of Dalglish but thought if a manager comes in who can take us to a higher level is appointed then fine we will accept it, but Martinez ahead of Dalglish? is this some sick joke? and FSG have the cheek to say a cup win and a runner up in the other was not sufficient, if Martinez achieves anywhere near that i will be astounded. wtf is going on FSG? we are LIVERPOOL FC.
cobra
25 May 2012 01:16:08
Lads, we have all got to stop trashing FSG. Firstly, they own the club. Give them a chance to prove their worth. Second, what makes people think they bought us on a whim to toy with us fans? What would be the motive? Surely you agree that the owners want to produce a champion. If nothing else, billionaires are arrogant afterall! I realize this is highly subjective statement.
I have a good feeling that FSG are doing what it takes to win. They have admitted they don't understand football, which is why they are hiring experienced people that do. I think Van Gaal would be brilliant, though would prefer him as director and someone younger as manager. It would have to be a manager who won't bump heads with Van Gaal. Martinez seems most likely if Van Gaal DOF. However, I wouldn't be shocked if Van Gaal becomes the new manager.
25 May 2012 01:11:29
Two comments:
1. Does everyone else wish Wigan's Whelan would shut up? He's acting like he is the first victim of a coach being sought for a better job. I understand he wants to keep his man, but mocking Liverpool is embarassing himself. Can't wait to destroy them next season.
2. Why did we let go of Amoo? I thought he had alot of potential. Am I crazy?
Coop
25 May 2012 01:06:02
I still think that Rodgers is the front-runner for the job. He is exactly the guy we need. He is a smart, progressive thinker and is great when it comes to man-management. I really think FSG will push hard for him, and Martinez will be the 2nd option if they can't get Rodgers.
Mark
25 May 2012 01:03:30
Why don't the fan's get behind the owners decision whether it be Martinez or whoever? They obviously don't what to give the job to a complete duffer and urinate all over their investment. So I think its time to show a bit of support and faith in them. If it wasn't for them bailing us out we would probably had Sam Allardyce as Manager and Titus Bramble as our star signing. The fans were crying out for Dalglish and where did that get us, 100 m out of pocket and a misfiring squad of wannabes.
25 May 2012 01:01:53
Hi ed's that's deffo roberto and J W Henry, hope he's given a chance, he won't be iinit 4 a big pay day, like a cappello would, rafa took £9 million when he left last time, AVB, De Boer and dechamps would of wanted a big, contract, with martinez, u just know, he won't be that bothered by the money side of it, and will treat the club, job and fans with so much respect and be 1 of the proudest managers to ever represent liverpool as manager! He seems to get on with players, and doesn't seem the rafa type, were he doesn't have much of a relationship with them! He will have a plan, which we will see develop, unlike kenny (I,m sorry), but we didn't seem to have a direction for much of last season! I,ve got such a good feeLing about him as a manager, person and a great leader who in years to come (touch wood), will be r new legend! C'mon mr j w henry. Just agree to the contract and let the spanish master begin the hard work that's gonna be needed! God bless to every1, thanks ed's Y..N..W..A jft96 DHH L20 KOPITE, good luck ENGLAND at Euro 12, especially the liverpool players! C'MON
25 May 2012 00:58:53
Interview with martinez went well, FSG still want to see 2 more candidates. Rodgers (I know he rejected but they want to go through the correct channels, although I think very unlikely) and Louis Van Gaal (Because although he would agree to be the DOF and Martinez would work with him, he would like to be a manager) I would also keep an eye on Di Mateao and to see if he agrees to a Chelsea contract....Red Alarm
It could be a recipie for disaster to appoint a DOF who wants to be the manager, could undermine the mangers role
24 May 2012 22:08:42
Just seen a pic on twitter of john w henry and roberto martinez walking down the street in miami hes definately talking to the owners.
Hair on henrys the wrong colour
I dont think that is john w henry maybe photoshopped
Let me guess holding hands
Henry is taller than 5,9
Fake .
It is a fake... Look at the right leg from Henry and you will find the answer ...
Stichi
Are you mad this aint photoshop he may just use hair dye :/
People do dye there her you fool!
Yeah that is john henry with martinez
It's real, there's a second picture from a different angle and you can see the guy taking the 1st pic in it
Post a link?
Https://twitter.com/nihar247/status/205771504401661952/photo/1/large
unless someone's figured out photoshopping skills never before seen, this one's certainly real
In some dashing suede loafers no less.
Its a fake , that street is not even in the same town as the meeting is being held .
There's a pic of John Henry with Tom Werner on the Mirror's Liverpool page and his hair is the same colour as the photo. Not saying it isn't a fake, just if it is they've used a JWH pic to fake it.
Markolfc
Hate idiots who just put fake, get a grip and use your eyes
Even if THAT PIC is real , we all knew this morning that
Martinez was meeting with #FSG so how does it change anything ??
It's not a fake. Usually fake's come about when there is no truth in the story however we know he has flown to america because his current boss has told us. There no smoke without fire.
Is it just me who thinks it would be odd for them to be having such an important meeting and suddenly decide to take a stroll?
"hey Roberto let's go get some coffee so everyone has a chance to see us" {Ed002's Note - Practically no one would know who they are or care.}
25 May 2012 00:53:33
i think this is great , we are all guessing who the next manager is going to be , and that includes the press , theres a pic of martinez with the owner , now i would not have believed that untill i realised he was meeting him anyway , so thats not a shock , if john w henry was pictured with klopp or deschamps then that would be news , the owners are keeping things very tight to their chests so only them will know , all i know is that i think the owners are doing the right thing and taking us forward , and i do have faith in them , they have not promised us anything , but have said they want liverpool back on top , they know sport and what it takes to get to the top , so whoever they get as manager they would have a very good reason , and to say martinez is cheap , well it will cost 3 mill just to get him ,,,,mickey b
25 May 2012 00:49:15
soo.. it looks like martinez is going to be manager
if i had my choice he wouldnt be!
but this is not the point the point is we need to give the guy a chance and get behind him and the team
fsg and others obviously have faith so we should give the man a chance.
you now this makes sense
YNWA
Personally i would be gutted if martinez gets the job as i do not believe he has the experience or technical ability to take us further, i woul much rather see van gaal come in for a couple of years with martinez or di matteo as his understudy then maybe we would have the making of a great partnership to come.
Martinez never done anything at wigan all he done was saved face and got the team to beat some of the bigger teams on the run in but i personally believe that to be down to the players more than Martinez
25 May 2012 00:43:23
Hi ED's just seen the pics of J W Henry and senor R Martinez and its deffo them! He has a benefit that KK never had, he is fluent in english and spanish, we have quite a few spanish speakers in the squad, and it will be a lot easier to communicate his messages to the team! I know there is a lot of negavity in his potential appointment, but look how he has made wigan athletic play, and even when the pitch was being used by the wigan rugby league team, he kept to his principles of playing good football, where ball retainment his the name of the game, as shanks once said, the other team can't score with out the ball, just think what quality he had at wigan, players like caldwell, salmon, oman goal keeper al habsi who made mistake after mistake, but roberto kept faith and the improvement was all to see, he brought mccarthur and mccarthy from a lower scottish prem team, maloney a washed out player who failed at premiership level b4, he made di santos into a player I never thought was any good into a top looking player, ben watson and victor moses into prem players, with moses improving at a very fast rate! Players like diame, alcaraz, emerson boyce, figerorua, look better than any 1 thought possible, and even the so called player they couldn't do with out rodalega never played much at all. Won 7 out of the last 9 games, under pressure, never lost is cool, always showed believe in his methods and his staff and players, so he was loyal when villa came calling, he's learnt his crust at swansea and wigan, he is a class act, and given support will lead liverpool into the class team and club we no we can and should be! And he won't want a rafa, capello, and some other big cv manager £5-6 million a year deal! Kenny will always be a legend, it wouldn't suprised me if kenny put robertos name forward, I did say. About 3-4 months ago that roberto was at a lot of liverpool games at anfield, and did mention it! He might not get it, but I think liverpool and fsg should go with a underdog! I just wish all fans get behind him and give him the backing that kenny or rafa would get! If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but NO REGRETS! Please! Vamos roberto m8! Y..N..W..A
25 May 2012 00:34:13
this photo with martinez and john w , means nothing realy we know he went over there to meet them so its no suprise they are together , did any of you see steve clarke sitting next to john w at a redsox game , thats when he went over with kenny , its the way they do buisness , if we seen john w with mickey mouse would you all think he would be our next manager , at least they are not panicking and just getting someone on to appease some fans on here , they are doing it the right way
25 May 2012 00:30:33
macca
Thank god the voice of reason I support the team the club not an individual I can't express how sad I am at the reaction of the fans.
Importing success has not exactly done us well we have a young squad bring in a young manager senior DOF jobs a good one believe
Bye the way I know hw his blue nose but david moyes 1st division manager to the blue nose how good a job has he done
Let all grow up
Chris r
25 May 2012 00:30:11
I do hope ed016 is being sarcastic when he says that in that picture it is not liverpools owner Henry because it clearly is him and it clearly isn't a fake photo either. So please tell me you was joking because otherwise its worrying
25 May 2012 00:28:59
FSG will manage to do what H&G just failed to do, FSG will destroy LFC.
Dont believe me now just wait and we will compare notes at Xmas.
FSG OUT NOW
We shall compare Nothing with You thanks.
Come back when your willing to support the club in a better manner!!
No name to your post - now why doesn't that surprise me?
Puzzled
25 May 2012 00:17:11
First target of Martinez identified:
Alvara Negredo
25 May 2012 00:06:05
Well Said macca in re: post 24may 2012 13:22.
I have supported liverpool since 85 (i was 4). ive been through the highs and the lows, evry false dawn, the rise (again) and fall of kenny, is just the latest. however the owners we've had to be honset have acted brilliantly through out, with dignity and class (one of the reasons ive stayed a red is this is part of liverpool fc to me), the owners fit with this way in my opinion.
people need to relax take a deep breadth a realise a couple of things.
1) we need to rebuold to some extent, this will take time, more than a season i would bet, and any manager that came in has to be given this type of operation plan
2)the owners decided to part company at the best time...the start of the close season, it is in fact in my opinion the only time to change manager.
3) they are quite prudently taking due time to select the right candidate, of which im glad, i dont want a knee jerk decision or a tken big name, i want the best manager to trake us forwrad over the next 3-5 years using waht we have and adding a few extra playesr (fox in the box striker, left back def mid and a winger iether side). i would actually be a little worried if we signed all of these this summer, it would be rushing it in one window, we'd be waiting for bedding in and would probably have to write off a large part of next season. 3 of the se players and 3 maybe next year would be a sharper way to do it for me.
so in summarry all the fellow reds out theres fretting....calm down , the owners are acting very methodically ...that brings stabillity. give these guys a chance, give our players a chance and give whoever they bring in a chance.
believe YNWA!!
The problem we have here is yeah we need prob 6-7 players but that is without the players leaving so personally i hope we keep Cole and give him a go in midfield he could well be our linch pin for the comin season and for me if we get a bid of 30-35m for suarez then we need to sell him ok he is a great talent but for me doesnt score enough goals i would much rather a bent, defoe, where as you know you will get 20 goals a season if they stay fit than an enterainer such as suarez who will score 15-20 if were lucky
24 May 2012 23:46:00
Ed do our owners have specific timeline for choosing and appointing the manager, because we can miss our targets if they take too long?
Hibsylfc {Ed002's Note - I am sure everything will be fine.}
25 May 2012 00:10:27
Buying policy last year was with statistics,most passes, most assists etc, the prime managerial candidate at present statistically has a win rate of 27%, just better than Steve Keane of blackburn and this is the way forward for us??
That as to be the worst way to justify yourself having a dig at FSG or the club I've heard in a long while. Trying to base it on some "statistical fact" lol.
You Sir are a Muppet
That not based of "statistics"' just a Hunch!
Lyndon
You can't use stats as an argument, he was at Wigan, what do you expect, his win rate will go up when he is with us
Wonder how many games any other manager would have won at wigan with the team he had.perhaps he over achieved with the resources available to him, and perhaps liverpool under achieved with the resources available to them.
Ye thats with a different team wigan martinez as liverpool manager will be much higher just give him a chance man -THE POPE
And with the way a lot of our buys from last summer performed what does that tell you about stats?!
24 May 2012 23:58:14
Moses ?
Moses supposes his toeses are roses, but Moses supposes erroneously
24 May 2012 23:50:54
If it has to be Martinez,help him with Reknowned D.o.f-a)To help him at our Giant club b)To attract star names,at least initially(2/3 seasons)
24 May 2012 23:33:46
Just saw that the photo was already up (and discussed ad nausium). sheepish.
Dara D
24 May 2012 23:16:57
hi ed
wat is going on liverpool top4 club johnw having a laugh martinez not good enough wat do think ed