Liverpool Banter Archive January 07 2012
07 Jan 2012 23:41:04
this isnt a rumour but has no one thought about the countless times scousers have recievied ethnic discrimination and the fa have done nothing, i quote the oxford dictionary :1 relating to a population sub group(within a larger dominant national or national cultural group )with a common national or cultural tradition,hmmm try and think of another of other ethnic groups within england who recieve the same chants please and i mean ones that refer to ethnic backgrounds not the club they support
We also have the dignity to take it on the chin and not burst into tears.
MIKEY
Thats why i dont care. no one gives a f**k about me and when i get 'racially abused' so why shud i care about what happened at anfield last night.
only difference is i dont cry about it like a little baby!
The one word that anyone would not associate Liverpool with in the past 3 months is "dignity". Quite unbelievable.
07 Jan 2012 23:39:09
Police have begun an investigation after former Premier League star and pundit Stan Collymore was allegedly the victim of racist abuse on Twitter.
07 Jan 2012 23:34:00
my last post not been posted eds?? {Ed002's Note - We have no idea which post that is - you have not signed this. Obviously you have missed it or an Ed deleted it.}
Liverpool 'hold talks' with £8.5m striker
Liverpool have reportedly made a move to sign Jaguares striker Jackson Martinez??? any true?? andy red.
07 Jan 2012 23:32:13
this video on youtube 'Liverpool hit by new racism row 2012' really does sadden me.
not because of the video more because of the comments people are putting, i dont understand how there is so much hatred towards one another. can this please stop. this has to end.
my big concern is when we play man utd. it could go so bad. i think kenny should try again and get sir alex to look at the big picture. they should come out and ask for calm, i think their input would make a big difference.
this is going way pass the game now and i feel due to the abuse someone is going to get hurt or even worse. so lets try and calm it down its gone to far now. can we please stop posting about this and try to move on.
J canada
Dont you think Ferguson wants the game to 'go bad'? It was him who went to the ref saying Suarez had used the 'n' word rather than the Spanish word for black which Evra later admitted. The only fortunate thing about the arrest last night was that it might head off some of the more extreme supporters going to the 'stadium of expense claims', who feel yet another injustice has been perpetrated against Liverpool FC - which it has.
Very well put it needs to stop
Paranoia abounds - until u accept responsibility for ur players and fans actions rather than try to deflect the blame onto every man and his dog, the respect u seek will be a distant dream
I think that Ferguson was hoping that we would appeal and the game, pool v`s Man utd Suarez would not be playing but as it looks if i`m correct he will be ready for selection. hence the reason Ferguson said no need for peace talks because he wants the fans to give him cr+p.
but i think its time he should forget the game for a moment and think of the safety of fans, and call for calm. rivalry is great for football but anyone knows safety comes first and i`m worried things will get out of hand.
so step up Ferguson, kenny has and call for calm.
J canada
Perhaps Kenny, and LFC's silent owners, should have looked at the big picture some time ago.
Why should Sir Alex look at any "big picture?" Liverpool have done nothing but attempt to undermine Evra, the FA, and the independent commission.
This is a situation LFC have created for themselves, Their overiding concern was to protect their financial asset in Suarez, and his value. In turn, LFC have created a frenzy of hatred within their support, instead of accepting that they, by not educating Suarez, and their player, by not educating himself, was wrong.
LFC have put the importance of protecting their asset before what is right and wrong in terms of race relations. This has led to the incident last night v Oldham, and everyone knows it!
Who caused it and who escalated it is irrelevant Kenny had pointed the way to calming the situation but Ferguson has rejected this. There can only be one conclusion from this that Ferguson doesn't want the situation calming which is astonishing. I have looked high and low for the media's condemnation of Ferguson's rejection of peace talks but surprisingly can't find any. The media create the stories they want the public to buy so they could easily turn on Ferguson and force him to talk, the fact that they don't is evidence that they have an agenda to damage LFC.
07 Jan 2012 23:30:24
I don't claim to be ITK but I have been told by a friend who is normaly spot on when it comes getting information early, that Hoillet and Scott Sinclair are going to be the only players to come in, in January. Can anybody confirm this?
Cheers lfc tommy
Raheem Sterling & Adam Morgan
Yeah kenny.
MIKEY
07 Jan 2012 22:33:10
Hi Eds
Whats all the fuss about "racist comments"!
I'm mixed raced and hear these comments all over the country! more so in the low leagues. Is this because we have two high profile footballers been court out? Racist words are said throughout the game on and off the pitch, so lets do something about this and name and shame these offenders and ban the players, and ban the supporters!
All please reply, I look forward to your responses
Redman 10
No problem with your comment, just ensure that the authorities have proof of racist remarks and that the comments are actually racist. I'm not mixed race, but as a child I witnessed my mother being abused for being foreign.
I would hope that the guilty would be shamed by being in the limelight, but not the innocent.
07 Jan 2012 23:41:04
Wow what a player. I know Youtube can make even emile heskey look like a world-beater but just hoiletts pace alone can give liverpool so much more than what we have at the moment.! A definite to go for in my opinion.
BLANCO7
Good pace, looks like he got close control even with that pace, could have a few hidden tricks up his sleeve, played some nice passes in this video, i could definetly see how he'd make a gd change to the team if he came in, i seen him a few times on MOTD and he looks like he'd be a good buy IMO
Carb
Good shout. I've been impressed with him from what I've seen on the telly as well. He reminds me of someone else when they first joined us and he developed into one hell of a player...John Barnes. He is definately not the finished article yet and still needs to develop but he has pace, two good feet and goes past people for fun. I'd take a chance on him and put him under JBs wing (Is JB back at the club in a coaching capacity?). He could turn out to be a gem. There is the Jamaican connection as well!
Iggypop
Yes definately a good buy and should be reasonably cheap, we should defo go for him. will kenny go for him tho that is the question? RedTurk
Its either him or redmond ideally both
What i'd be worried about is that, even in an edited youtube video, he didn't score or assist until over 3 minutes into a 4 minute video. I quite like the player, and would appear to be a good value deal if it goes ahead, but it kinda indicates a lack of end product.
Rugby Parker
07 Jan 2012 23:15:53
Just watching highlights on ITV dont know the anchor mans name but he has just attributed the crowd comments to the way the players behave must say Ince did not respond and gave him daggers
TC YNWA
07 Jan 2012 23:15:43
Andy Carroll will prove his worth with Suarez out. All the haters will be praising him in the next couple of weeks. He is the league leader in my xbox fifa 2012 season. That has to be a good sign.
Schrute
I think you gona have a very disappointing and miserable few weeks then. he will surely prove to everyone once again what a waste of money he is.RedTurk
Dont see him scoring more than 3 goals over the next 7 matches. Il be surprised but delighted if he does. Nowhere near liverpool quality imo.
Indian Buzzer
07 Jan 2012 23:14:20
what do you all recon to us just going for defoe we could get him cheap and he would be that type of pocher we need
Why would JD leave the team he supported as a boy who are miles above you in the League? Especially after your recent (ahem) race issues?
07 Jan 2012 23:07:32
The whole Suarez/Evra situation was begun by bigotry and hatred. What was nothing more than a spat between two ignorant young men on a field of play was turned into a massive International incident by one man. If 1) the opposition manager had been Allardyce,Bruce,Moyes,Warnock(?) and a few others and 2) it had been any club but Liverpool the whole episode would not even have reached the ears of the referee. There would have been discussion between the two managers, perhaps a fine for one or both players and that would have been the end of the matter. The person who shouted out in the match against Oldham would probably not shouted out either. People like Taylor would not have come out with comments about Liverpool being responsible for educating players in what is not acceptable in English football while neglecting to say that Manchester United have the same responsibility to their players. The severity of the punishment is not in keeping with the incident and one of the players has got off scot-free. Evra's behaviour throughout the match was not what should be expected of a captain of a great club (unfortunately we have to acknowledge that fact). He waved an imaginary card at Downing and (apparently) made a defamatory remark to the referee when being booked. He should surely received another yellow card for that remark alone. It's time that the 'press' woke up and began to report that not all blame should fall just on Liverpool (the easy option). The fact is that ALL that is wrong with English football is because of ALL club actions. Fans have not been properly informed as to what happened 25 to 30 years ago and so have a blinkered view with regard to the facts. I am proud to be a Liverpool fan and proud of the club's achievements but I am glad that I chose to become a fan (and for many years a supporter) of the club. I sometimes think that I could have chosen Everton or Tranmere Rovers but am glad that I didn't. I don't mean to insult those clubs but wish to stress that I have been very lucky in my choice.
Dutchmal
Totally agree, "Sir" Alex Ferguson goes out of his way to do anything to bring LFC and our reputation down. He practically dragged Evra to the FA.
maka YNWA JFT96
07 Jan 2012 23:03:23
Hhmm what media can we trust? Seemingly none as they are All against us, and believe you me when we slip up in a game we will be slaughtered by everyone and it won't be pretty
Self imposed media ban as I simply cannot care to read the drivel that the gutter press and the televised media are spouting out, especially SKY of which have lost all credibility and value in ssn since the Suarez incident
I feel hurt and victimised as a Liverpool fan right now, when I should or we all should be happy at the progress and the cup win, not to mention what will happen in the window!
Alas that is not the case and we are now the hate figures in football and it is us fans who have to suffer the consequences as everything that happens to the club affects us!
When the club hurts we hurt and unfortunately that is the current climate
Bean
I read all my news online for freeeeeeee and stream all my games online for freeeeeeeee so when these vile b***s get laid off ie maddock and ollie gobsh*te then i will raise a glass with a massive smile on my dirk mua
Have sky simply for the sports and used to watch build up and everything but now just watch lfc build p and the game on sky, I also used to love ssn but it's only on for morning and evening headlines and then off.
The mirror was the paper I read and was in the house up until I read on their site last night and I now won't read anything to do with them
Maybe your to young to remember Hillsborough, but that fine upstanding lot in the media took Liverpool to the cleaners and are still smarting at the infamous headlines they concocted and whch were proven to be lies. The wolf pack mentality never changes. To think I wanted to be a journalist when I was young to investigate and report the truth.
This lot sit on their fat arses in their front rooms and post the laziest, sanctimonious drivel without recourse to doing any genuine study (that would be too much work). You wouldnt think that this was the industry that was being investigated for widespread criminality, would you? At least newspapers are a dying breed and television is going the same way.
07 Jan 2012 22:55:26
Again - nothing that contradicts the KK doctrine or questions he who must be obeyed and his delusional worshipers seems to get posted here - closed shop it would appear - keep the paranoia at fever pitch - job well done
07 Jan 2012 22:44:02
I hope this is the last time that I post on the subject, cus it does make all the anti Carroll stuff which is usually going on feel positively uplifting! But if anyone can be bothered, type 'Liverpool hit by new racism row 2012' into you tube, ignore the video, but read the comments. There is 2 guys on there - mikeyricho and JCHornerTV who were sat NEXT to the lad who shouted it out. I'm not gullible, and I believe them 100%. Read what they have to say. If you think they are lying fair enough, but they have totally convinced me. Nick.
"I'm not gullible, and I believe them 100%."
lol. Classic.
BJH YNWA.
Dont know what to make of that.
koppfiend 1978 ynwa
07 Jan 2012 22:04:17
Joe Cole scored a hat trick tonight for Lille tonight. Glad he's doing well and wants to play football rather than sitting on his a*** picking up his Wage. Listened to him interviewed recently and he seems to accept that his Anfield career is over, but was not bitter. He said injuries came at wrong time and then team picked up under Kenny and he was against it.
He interestingly said that he was unsure who signed him at the time....
Dirks Engine Room
I think joe could do a job for us but more of a squad player.
JJ blackpool
07 Jan 2012 21:57:44
Just to further prove the point of complete and utter garbage by the press, on the BBC website about 10 mins ago, while reporting on the arrest of a 20 yr old man the report goes on to say ....
'The incident compounds a difficult few weeks for Liverpool, who were without Luis Suarez for the match against the Oldham as the striker serves an eight-match ban for racially abusing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra at Anfield in October.'
this is a blatant lie....SUAREZ WAS NOT FOUND GUILTY OF RACIALLY ABUSING EVRA....why on earth are they still allowed to keep printing these lies ??
If nothing else LFC should make a formal complaint to the BBC, or better still sue them.........that should do the trick !
I do not support racism of any kind but I hate biased and unfair reporting.
Tel 1949
YES HE WAS numbn*ts
Tel 1949
Suarez was found guilty of using language that referred to Evra's ethinicity or colour of skin, which was the charge. Suarez admitted he used a word as described, and as such was found guilty. Why can't Liverpool supporters understand this? Keep digging though, the whole world is staggered by LFC's and it's supporters ignorance!
Thats exactly what he was found guilty of you fool.
So, the FA saying they do not believe Suarez is a racist doesn't count? Well I have to admit I haven't believed the FA for years so you might be right.
How is that not racist? {Ed002's Note - You need to understand that people can make a racist remark, say in a heated moment on the football field without being a racist. I think some people are struggling with these semantic differences.}
07 Jan 2012 21:52:14
I have worked at hundreds of football games as a Safety steward, Old trafford at the moment (i am a liverpool fan).
one day one of the guys i was worked with told a bunch of people in the crowd i was a liverpool fan (which i wasn't happy with) and about 10-12 fans were chanting things like "dirty scouser" and "you scouse b------d" at me.. this was during the crystal palace game this year btw. and i was a bit upset by this because obviously its aimed solely at me and i was just trying to do my job and i felt victimized for doing so.
but i didn't go to the media or complain to any higher ups, i took it on the chin and shrugged it off, and if this player is crying over being called a "manc b-----d" its only to rub salt in the wounds of our media backlash". the media would sell their own family to sell a story so who cares what the think, the perfect responce to all this can be done on the pitch with our fans getting 100% behind our teams..
and if it makes any of you reds feel any better, somewhere in old trafford i have wrote "you'll never walk alone" hidden somewhere hopefully being there indefinetly - that was my revenge =]
Red Juggernaut
You'll find that wasn't the allegation t**t
You should have taken this up with your manager + chairman + manager of the football club . Then phoned the police + Newspapers.
Why take it up? Christ....just bite your lip and get on with it. Well done red...if everyone were to take it up with the media...we would have one very twisted game.
DaveyBootle
But yould get nowhere,Manc mafia would shut story down
07 Jan 2012 21:48:22
A new shirt number rumor from the club store would really lighten the mood right now.
John CT
07 Jan 2012 21:45:56
watching malaga versus atletico madrid . the goalie for malaga has willy on his back . must be funny when announcer of teams says number one WIILLY.
How big is he
Does he look hard?
KNEE JERK
I heard he's a big softie and a bit of a flapper.
MIKEY
What a great site this is. You've even got these 2 coming out the Closet on it. It brings a tear to ya eye!!
Does he drop many balls
07 Jan 2012 21:44:34
With all the recent talk about strikers, it might be worth noting that Joe Cole has just completed a hattrick for Lille in a 0-6 victory against Chantilly. Maybe he could come back and bring his friend Eden Hazard, who also scored. OK it was in the French Cup against lower league competition, still good finishing.
Northern Git
07 Jan 2012 21:44:13
From BBC website:
Man arrested over alleged abuse of Oldham footballer Tom Adeyemi
Police investigating an incident of alleged abuse by fans at Anfield towards Oldham Athletic defender Tom Adeyemi have arrested a man.
Merseyside Police said a 20-year-old man from the Aintree area of Liverpool was arrested on suspicion of a racially aggravated public order offence.
An investigation was launched after Friday night's Liverpool v Oldham FA Cup game.
The man is being held in custody and being interviewed by detectives.
steve068
07 Jan 2012 21:43:45
I could laugh at all the posters, who think Darren Bent(1 in 2 goal ratio in the prem) is not good enough for Liverpool, but think we should be buying Rhodes(League 1 striker), Jelovec(Scottish League striker), or Zarate?(no goals in 12 games for Inter). Liverpool fans should trust Kenny and Damien. Gareth Bale, Aaron Lennon and Luka Modric were all brought to Spurs by Damien Comolli. Spurs fans slaughtered Bale in his first two seasons at the club. look how that turned out. Same with us with Lucas. The problem with today's fan, is no patience. It's either success today or get rid of everybody! Look at the difference with Man City from last season to this season. We gone from having one of the worst defences last season, to one of the best. All Championship winning sides are built on a strong defence. We're not far of a really great team. I can add, how many games together have Suarez and Gerrard played? Those two together is gonna be special.
Agree all kenny needs for jigsaw is the new john barnes . and hell find him
07 Jan 2012 21:38:17
"and a good man" lmao!! Are u good mates with him? U dont have a clue, the owners came in at a time when we where up s**t creek without a paddle! And I'll miss luis as much as anyone but im i the only supporter that thinks he was in the wrong? I think he's a super player but he is always gonna have a self destuct button and if that effects the club then the only thing we can do is move him on. Personaly i think he'll not be happy that the club didnt appeal (cause he wouldve won), but i can see the player and club agreeing to part ways in the summer. Hope im wrong. Eds whats ur thoughts?
I'm afraid I have to agree with you. FSGs silence is almost deafening now, but they are businessmen and Luis Saurez is not good for business right now. The best we can hope for IMO is for Luis to come back refreshed and inspire us to a CL spot. That way he'll increase his chances of a move abroad, allow us to get more money for him and maybe attract some top class players too. Just can't see any other way out now? Unfair I know. What do you think?
Vic
07 Jan 2012 21:30:48
I have been tracking all the papers and organisations over the last few weeks regarding the Evra / Suarez situation.
For absolute clarity the Sun,the Mirror, the Guardian and the telegraph have in my view constantly portrayed Luis as a racist....using headlines such as 'Suarez found guilty of racially abusing Evra' etc etc
As we all know this is a clear untruth and was not what Luis was found guilty of in the kangaroo court that is run by the FA ( or the panel that made the decision on behalf of the FA). He was found guilty of misconduct.
I have now noticed that there now appears to be a very subtle shift and a reluctant acceptance by the gutter press that in fact Luis Suarez was not found guilty of racially abusing Evra.
Only a few days ago the gutter press, and I include The Sun ( of course), The Mirror ( of course), the Guardian , The Telegraph not to mention SKY for their absolute disgraceful handling of the whole affair. They have CONSTANTLY stated that Luis was charged for racially abusing Evra, despite the very clear statement from the FA and Evra that Luis was not a racist and had not been found guilty of racially abusing Evra.
You may ask, well how on earth can someone who is clearly not a racist, be smeared by the UK press and SKY.......despite all the evidence showing that he is not ?
This must surely be a criminal, offence and the perpetrators of this most heinous offence of stirring up racial divides and hatred need taking to court.
The UK press are not biased are they, so therefore by direct supposition, we are all paranoid arn't we ?
Tel 1949 ( still taking his cocoa)
I think the fact you have read the s*n completly nulls this comment
Mite have believed u until u said u read it
For absolute clarity that is the one paper I HAVE NOT AND WOULD NEVER READ, but I did track the comments of people I have come to trust on this site including ED002. thedy have clearly stated that the Sun has been publishing rubbish which to be fair wouldnt be out of character.
I hope this clarifies the point and that my comments are therefore not ED as you say, the fearful no named person
Tel 1949
Do you feel better now that you have wasted your time listening to these scum-newspapers. They have also taken your money and sold you a pack of tall stories.
If you don't at least awknowledge that such newspapers exist, in order to become outraged. Then how will you ever stop them?
Don't give them money, don't buy them - but you can read them - if only to get even madder and motivate yourself to campaign against them and expose their continued hypocrisy and lies. You've got to know what you're campaigning against after all.
A wise man once said - Know your Enemy.
The Sun has damned more than the people of Liverpool. People mad only because of Hillsborough should realise they should be mad at a whole lot more if they had a look at the bile they still produce there.
Also sad but true. If you watch Sky or a wide range of other networks and publications - you are essentially feeding the same beast. So get off your high horse.
This man makes a powerful point, yet you can't see it.
You can't see past bashing him for condemning reading the paper you hate.
Although he exposes it's hypocrisy in a more constructive manner than 95% of posts here, yours included.
Your bitterness is clouding your logic.
BJH YNWA.
Nice post Tel.
07 Jan 2012 21:36:37
just read on Merseyside Police twitter account:
32 minutes ago....a 20 year old man from Aintree has been arrested tonight on suspicion of a racially aggravated public order offence following Fridays game.
if the guy is guilty then throw the book at him !!
if he innocent then let the process find him so....
Tel 1949
His name is john terry honest
Typical scouse has following the police on twitter how technology has benefited the poor
07 Jan 2012 21:13:33
Connor Macnamera from BBC Sport is tweeting that Merseyside Police has made an arrest after last nights incident.
Dirks Engine Room
07 Jan 2012 20:50:34
Hi Eds,
I've heard a lot of rumours going around about Junior Hoilett of Blackburn. Can you shed a little light on him? Are we interested and if so, is he likely to be signed?
Thanks in advance
Reid the Red {Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}
07 Jan 2012 20:32:52
one ,two, possibly three people allegedly used racist insults to a young player. Young player reacts in a rage of fury, to what he deemed as racial abuse. He is clearly distressed. He wants to take on the perpetrators in the Kop End. The fans react are incensed by his gesturing and advancement towards the kop Fans and the player are upset . Players from both sides try to calm the player down.
Verdict : all liverpool fans are racist, the club is racist. the Louis Suarez situation and now this alleged racist abuse. typifies what the club and its fans. )oh yeah, according to those moderates who live in oldham the whole of the city is racist)
I hate racism and it has no place in our society, not just football and i personally feel offended by the slurs directed at the club and its fans. Sure not all the fans are angels and like most clubs you have your scallys and trouble makers and there are bound to be a hand full of racist of different ages. They do exist.t So it would be no surprise if we have one or two. who follow us home and away. However i have never heard at any game i've attended any racist abuse hurled at our players or the opposition players.
I was not at the game last night so not sure how noisy it was in the kop end when it all kicked off.
I don't know if it was a corner to Oldham or to us. but it must have pretty noisy and it is possible that you manc so and so could have sounded like you black so and so. so it might appear by the young lads reaction that something racial was directed at him. Just because he is black.
I hope he was not racially abused, because if he was
then it is disgrace and any abuse racially intended or not is bang out of order if it's ugly or down right nasty. We Liverpool fans our renowned for our fairness to the opposition, especially the kop. so its a bit of a shock to me these allegations.
If they find out who the person or persons are and there is enough evidence to prove they are guilty of racial abuse, then they should be banned for life. Plus the club should go out of their way to apologise to him. ,
The media are probably loving it at the moment and can't wait to stick the knife in. we recentlyrecieved an apology from the sun over the hillsborogh scandal
so if any the media can bring us down now is a god time.
You can not control every person in the ground and there is no person files on all who enter the ground.
So a club can not totally eradicate bad behaviour and racism. so when a couple of gobs**tes deicide to be a pain in the arse or direct abuse at players. you can't accuse the club of failing to keep order or tarnish ever fan with the same brush. As long as the club does its up most to improve things and take appropriate action.
I dont know the truth about last night and neither does most of last nights crowd. so how any body else knows amazes me. Regarding Louis , i am not sure wheather he is innocent or guilty again who really does know. What I do know is. We are not a racist club and don't deserve all the s**t we are getting at the moment
Paul B.
Surely he can be banned just for swearing it doesnt have to be just racist abuse. ferguson is to blame for all this he lit the fuse. i expect something tomorrow in the derby . watch this space
What you have yo remember is that there are a lot of southern journalist who are very envious of Liverpools history and success and will jump on any bandwagon to hit us as hard as they can.
Liverpool have always been an unfashionable club who represented the English football through out Europe. The journalists have waited a long time to get their own back after the Hillsborough tragedy. We proved then what spam they are and now they want pay back, so they will use any excuse to get back at us. Is it not surprising we dont hear about John Terry abusing a black player or Wayne Rooney sticking his two fingers up to the opposition fans. This is what they have been waiting for and we have fallen right into their trap.
We need to be more savvy and be the perfect fans we know we are.
YNWA
Evered
07 Jan 2012 20:19:39
could somebody please explain to me why kenny dalglish wears football boots on the sidelines what a t**t.does a ice hockey coach wear skates. does a american footy coach wear pads and a helmet,or does a horse trainer put a saddle on his back at race meetings.Kenny get a grip you muppet,you trying to get in with the boys look down to earth you and your scousers are fininished,HISTORY tour of england next year again that bad cant even make channel 5 on a thursday.
Do the nurses know you have Internet access?
Dirks Engine Room
Unhealthy obsession mate. Certainly slightly disturbing that you know more about what Kenny wears and his fashion habits than we do.
Martin
Paul Dicov had boots aswell troll some matches Kenny wears a suit and some not!
Kenny does'nt need to try and fit in with the lads, when you have won everything in the game. When Kenny walks in a room he comands respect. Kenny's has forgot more about football than you know matey, we will see who's history! Are you a Manc? I would be more worried about whats going to happens when Rooney's goes and the yanks take the money! All the best you troll of no class.
KNEE JERK
You are t*n
It should be illegal to feed the trolls
Wow you are truly a sad sad man, so sad words cant articulate
jaydee
Good to see the other teams fans still worrying about us
Why does Fergie wear a red nose on the sidelines?
FT
Typical manc or cockney
I know that when Roberto Baggio watches Fiorentina games he wears the same pair of boots that he last wore when he played for them.
Rewflo
When you've won so many titles and cups as a player it must just be natural to put them on. Could be a superstition like whiskey-noses chewing-gum or AVB's heir flick of the gestapo costume. Any way, the king can do what-ever he wants. Wonder if you can name another manager with as many playing honours. Or have i posted this past your bed-time?
Trying to get his monies worth out of it bit sad really as there only a couple of quid.
Kenny Dalglish got every right
in the world to wear footy boots,
does Fergie?
I hope he keeps wearing them,
hope he even wears them when
he's out in cutting the grass
or playing golf. I hope he has a
pair of boots on, on that gold statue
we're one day going to erect to him
outside Anfield.
If there is ONE person in UK football who has earned the right to wear football boots whenever he feels like it, its Kenny Dalglish. He is still regarded as among one of the most gifted of footballers of a generation. If he wants to to wear pink rabbit slippers with ears at a match, Im all for it
Now if Fergie had the cheek to wear football boots that would be a real laugh...!!
Tel 1949
07 Jan 2012 20:18:29
do you think lfc will send suso or wisdom on loan?
07 Jan 2012 20:17:03
Didn't realise how good junior hoilett was! And he's right footed. Him and downing would work well rotatinig wings. Far better than most wingers we've been linked with. Nobody knows who were getting, just like everyother year. But this lad would be ideal. Only 21 aswell!
I have consulted the "over lords"
We are getting Torres and Bent
Andy Carroll will be the new Captain
Gerrard will join chelsea and suarez will be sold to Real
That last one is clearly a joke.
07 Jan 2012 20:02:03
ed do you fancy our chances against city in the carling cup especially without suarrez was down a lot the other nite when it became clear he was,nt playing in my opinion we are alot stronger with him in the side thank ed {Ed002's Note - It is over two legs and Liverpool have to have a good chance.}
Much as I hate negative tactics I do feel that in order for us to proceed then we will need to contain City at the Etihad, their home record is far too good to think that us winning there at this stage in our development is anything other than unlikely.
Take a draw at Etihad and win at Anfield.
Rewflo
Last two games at etihad been 3-0 and 3-0 . i sometimes bet on football matches according to the day of the month . as wednesday is the eleventh i shall be doing 1-1. hope not the hat trick 0f 3-0 ,3-0 . if it is were out but will take any win or draw.
alan waddle
When liverpool beat man utd 4-1 . try and guess what day it was 14 march doesnt work all the time but above shows it does
07 Jan 2012 19:50:32
It is not a rumour about players, was talking in work the other day to some contract workers, and they where saying, from a reliable source ie a player, that Glen Johnson, will be playing right wing next season. as both he and kk have discuessed the issue. the reason why he wont play there this season is he want to go to the euros, and think he has a better chance as a right back, of achiving this, eds what do you think. {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, sorry.}
07 Jan 2012 19:49:38
sitting reading all this banter one thought has occured to me.......the FA appointed Independant Panel, Evra, and even that person PFA chairman Taylor all stated LS is not a racist, yet the english media seem to be able to shout/claim he is and it sticks. Maybe the club need to petition the FA to actually come out and issue a statement (next round draw of the FA cup would do) and confirm that LS & LFC are not and have not ever been know as racist. Additionally, maybe the clubs legal team need to advise any editor that if their paper publishes any story referring to LS or the club being racisit that legal action will be taken. I am not advocating war on the media here but we know what LS has said and we know he was found guilty - but we also know it was confirmed he is not deemed a racist. Enough is enough for me, I am sick of having the club dragged through the mud by Talks@@te and Sky Sports.......-TMac {Ed002's Note - I know of only a single paper that implied he was a racist. The FA made a statement. Nothing else needs to be done. What there will be no control over is mindless fans of opposing teams.}
Ed 002 From memory, I can name the papers or organisations that said Suarez was a racist...The Sun, The Mirror, The Mail, SKY Sports , TalkSport and Durham in particular.
There was a terrible article in the Mirror the day the result of the FA panel was released....and as a result I will never buy the mirror again.
i lost count of the number of texts and twitter replies I gave on the subject and i constantly stated 'SUAREZ HAS NOT BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF RACISM'....did they listen....oh no....they have still been saying it up to only the last week or so.
There is no denying that the press have deliberately made Luis out to be a serial racist.. I am disgusted at the UK press
Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - Don't buy it then.}
ED002 you know I disagree with your comments about only the SUN calling Suarez a racist, here is yet another example taken from SKY 2/1/12 .....
'The head of the Professional Footballers' Association has backed the FA's reasons for punishing Luis Suarez for racial abuse.
PFA Chief Executive Gordon Taylor said the punishment will set an example to the rest of the world.
"It's a message to all sportsmen and women that if you're on a pitch or in an arena it's not acceptable. It's not acceptable in any walk of life," he said.
if this isnt hounding Suarez and accusing him of racism , well I give up.
I hope LFC take the required actions against these organisations for incorrect reporting
Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - I did not comment about the Sun at all. The quote you gave does not say Suarez is a racist. He made racist remarks but I am only aware that the Mirror called him a racist directly. If these papers upset you, why do you read them?}
Eds I have sent two responses to this yet neither of them have been posted...is there a problem with what I have said ? I disagreed with ED002, but surely thats what the site is here for.....banter and genuine fans opinion !
Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - I have dealt with one and it will be posted once the backlog is cleared.}
They have not made him out to be a serial racist. They hae only ever made to reference to one incident. They have chosen their words poorly and have since stopped saying that he is a racist and have started referring to the word as racist. There is no reason for them to print or broadcast any kind of retraction since nobody is pressuring them to do so.
Rewflo
ED002 i was only pointing out that there was a lot of other papers and organisations that have pilloried Suarez and its still going on now. SKY are particularly guilty along with the Mail and the Daily Mirror.
is it any wonder though, they have shown their lack of support to any team thats doesnt have the name Man Utd....oh and its not paranoia honest !
now where my cocoa and my Napolean Bonaparte uniform ?
Tel 1949
07 Jan 2012 23:43:28
ED002 your wrong Im afraid.
see below taken directly from on lone reporting from THE MAIL on 2/1/12
'This follows the release of the Football Association's report which found the Anfield striker guilty of racially abusing the Manchester United defender seven times in two minutes.
The FA delivered the written verdict on New Year's Eve and the withering contents of the 115-page document exposed the full details of Suarez's clash with Evra at Anfield on October 15.
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2081058/Luis-Suarez-apologise-Patrice-Evra.html
Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - That is a true statement - he was found guilty of racially abusing Evra - but it says nothing about him being a racist, that is entirely different.}
07 Jan 2012 19:49:27
Hi All,
Just wondering if anyone can enlighten me as to what English newspaper websites are impartial, factual and accurate (if there are any) I'm over the other side of the world and have not had the chance to visit England or Anfield yet :( I know not to read The Sun, and I shouldn't read the Fail but that's the only other one I know of. To be honest if been horrified with the bias of their reporting, how anti LFC can you get?? So if anyone can let me know of other newspaper websites with decent unbiased articles, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks KiwiRed
The Guardian site, is usually pretty good mate. Defo better than the rest of the daily rags imo.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
In truth there are no impartial news papers or organisations. They like to believe that they report the news but its closer to the truth to say that they create the news.
Rewflo {Ed002's Note - I completely disagree.}
Each to their own I suppose. I have known a few journalists and while some of them have been respectful they do look for news instead of finding it in my opinion.
Just me though.
Rewflo
You cannot produce a news report and stay impartial - some papers are more impartial than others however and some have a greater agenda.
cozinoz
Rewflo is spot on. the "news" is there to sway your opinion. it doesnt have to be the truth at all. Journalists constantly leave out key information or report on only one side of the story to try and change your viewpoint on certain things. You would probably have to be somewhere in person and experience it firsthand to get the complete truth about anything {Ed002's Note - My point is that not all newspapers or agencies are like that.}
Wrong again ed002. Give us examples of these 'impartial' news publications please. If you say 'The Guardian' I may piss myself laughing.
They all have bosses, sponsors and readership to appeal to/keep happy. All of them. Those which don't have bosses - they're the least 'impartial' of them all!
Like blogs and football site contributors for example.
BJH YNWA. {Ed002's Note - Wrong again, sorry about that. As a newspaper try the IHT which reports factually and is available across all of Europe and further afield. I am sure you will find it suitably unbiased. Additionally, press agencies are in most cases entirely unbiased and report only fact - take the Associated Press pr Agence France Press as good examples of these. If you look to the AP handling of the Suarez issue you will no doubt agree it was short, well written and unbiased.}
07 Jan 2012 19:30:02
There are previous rumours that Shelvey will be loaned back out in the January window. Is it still true after his impressive performances for us? Also, will anyone leave in the window? Kuyt, Maxi, Aurelio?
07 Jan 2012 19:19:38
If we do bring in players, do you think we're more likely to bring in players from abroad so that they are not cup tied in any of the English cups? Or would you say that isn't really an issue with Liverpool at the minute?
I'm thinking more to do with Suarez being out and us having Manchester City in the semi-final of the Carling cup. What do you think Ed[s]? {Ed002's Note - The transfer policy will not change because of Suarez' ban. Players being considered will not be rejected just because they are cup tied.}
Suarez ban should hasten signings(as long as quality)imo
07 Jan 2012 19:19:14
Eds I think soon it's going to be feasible to have Darren bent rumours page on here so all those people who are 100percent sure he is signing can post away to there hearts content about it whilst we can all get on with the real rumours! That aside what's the latest on the transfer situations from an overall view ?
Cheers again and keep up the great work ! Ynwa
Lfc4evaneva
07 Jan 2012 19:15:01
So if proven it was an idiotic thing to do (racial abuse by one or at most two fans). I've been a season ticket holder for 25 years plus and I have never racially abused any player and neither did more than 44,000 other people last night, so why should I or anybody else beat themselves up over this- I did nothing wrong. Why should I feel ashamed because of two idiots. Yes the press and all the people who hate our great club are loving this, but all I can do is support my club like I've always done. So lets not feel ashamed and if your support is wavering, well maybe your not a true red after all.
Vic
07 Jan 2012 19:07:38
I was talking to a mate of mine today who is a steward at Anfield, he was working there last night and told me that he was in the exact area where the alleged racist abuse took place. Basically the a fan was shouting manc b...ard at the oldham player an not other racist terms that where reported, This is fact he even went on to say the guy involved was sitting directly behind a group of Asian fans who i am sure would have kicked a bigger fuss up than the player involved.
This is 100% true. Everything the press has assumed is wrong. You are right about the Asian lads, they were in front row. The guy who shouted it was row 2. He is distraught that people thought he shouted something racist. Don't listen to the bloody lying press. Nick
So its okay to shout manc b-----d . do you not realise there are women and children who attend football matches . and they attend to watch their idols . not to listen to filthy language . if you agree with him you should not go to anfield because fans like you are not welcome .
alan waddle
And who are you to say people arnt welcome at anfield? there is obviously going to be banter at football the crowd shout the refs a W**nker but tht not offensive in your eyes? what the difference to tht and manc b**tard?
jayblair89
Could it be the fans shouted manc
b****** and the player thought he
heard black b*******? Must be difficult
to hear anything clearly in front of the Kop.
Dont be such a prude Alan - football matches are the last place you should go if you dont like swearing
Alan i think u r missing the point here this was a racial issue an i dont condone this but i am sure mancs call us scouse b****ards an we dont complain
Hes been arrested on racially aggravated public order offence . so thats the end of the manc theory
Now that's a whole different question. How would you get on trying to ban ALL swearing at a football match? Don't get me wrong, I know kids go, but I think that all kids also know they will hear naughty words. I do, however have a problem with vile, hate filled and anger fuelled vitriol which players receive. Personally I do find that out of order, and don't like to see it. Nick
Passionate game,goes on all levels.And in many sports worldwide.Sanitise industrial language(just language)you have no game,just robots.Amyhow some games 40.000 would have to be ejected.ott madness
07 Jan 2012 19:05:42
Because I cant resist giving my opinion on things (or starting sentences with very bad grammar) I thought I have my say on the racism vs oldham issue.
I've been away for a couple of days and did not even know the result until this morning, I also did not know of the incident until this morning. This puts me in a fortunate position of not being emotionally involved with the issue. As such this is what I think...
First thing I've seen a lot of people on here attempting to neutralise the incident by saying that the words which were said were different (more harmless) words. I wasnt there so I dont know what was said, even if you were there its unlikely (unless seated in that area) that you would know either. Lets leave the investigationwork to the police and not make silly statements that may in hindsight make us all looks very stupid.
Secondly other people are making light of it and saying that he should just get on with it and ignore the abuse. Some people are saying all players are subject to abuse and that its just words. What you have to remember is that this type of language was used only to oppress and enslave a race of people so they will obviously be sensitive to it. I also think that any other chants, words or phrases used in a similar way (i.e to oppress) this includes songs about thieving scousers and any other song which is equally offensive.
Lastly I do think that discrimination is a serious issue that should not be brushed aside. I used the word descrimination on purpose because any time you use particular traits to disparage another person is wrong. This is not exclusive to race, but also gender, age, religion, even hair colour. The people that have tried to brush this aside will probably think that I have posted this because I might have been offended by it, that I might be a person african descent. I am a caucasian male born and raised in Accrington. I'm not saying it because I am part of the minorty, I am saying this because it's right.
We are all fans of a great club which has prided itself on being repsectful of others. This is why you will never find me disrespecting anyone (even Man utd fans) even if they disrespect me or Liverpool. Liverpool stands for something better and bigger than that. We should all remember that.
Rewflo
07 Jan 2012 19:00:23
Either Jelavic or Zarate to Liverpool. We don't need Darren Bent!
SSRED11
07 Jan 2012 18:49:55
Forget about this 'manc b**tard' shout we all know what was really said and pretending different to make it go away won't help. I was at the game and around 10 rows from the area where the shout came from. What really pissed me off was the whole crowd booing the player when he reacted to obvious racial abuse, I wish the supporters would get a grip and think about their actions! And this goes to a member of my family who I had a stern word with after the game after he started giving abuse to the player.
Other than that it was my first game in a few years due to the 12 hour round trip and it was good to see Carroll and Downing get a goal.
What was said then mate we are hearing different things coming from people in the area were it happened.
as for slating fans who were booing how can they know what was said so i think you are wrong for saying that.
k-h
I agree the faces of our fans laughing at a player in distress is disgusting. This week has challenged me as a supporter of the club. I have said from the start that how the club went about Suarez defence would create a bigger issue and so it has. Many of the posts on here have been stupidly HEAD IN THE SAND defiance. I do not recognise this as the club I have supported all my life. The lack of atmosphere at Anfield is appaling and all we can do is boo oppostion players when our club is in the spot light for all the wrong reasons. I nearly gave up following football after Heysel but LFC meant to much however I just dont have any affinity to the many supporters on here who will defend the undefencible.
Many on Merseyside boycott the SUN but seem to share that papers well established agenda.
This idea that people should laugh of racist abuse or "take it like a man" is totally wrong. I despise the far right and despise racist and society should have zero tolerance.
I honestly give up on the club we have sunk to the bottom. This is not the support and its is not the club Shankly loved it is a pale withered shadow of what that great man built.
I have posted at length in the past why I love the club but this is me signing off for good this is no longer the club or the supporters I loved.
Have loved the site and you Eds do a fantastic job, hope the club and site escape this depressing saga soon.
Dont Buy The Sun
People posting saying theyve had it with the club. . New season ticket should be available next year for a real fan. Why not go across the park and support them because they could do with people like you. And could really use your paper money. ha.
I posted the first comment.
You say the fans didn't know what was said but if I and half of the crowd near me had enough sense to see the player had been badly abused in one way or another and that we shouldn't boo him then the other half ought to know aswell. I think it's a sad state where my first thought was rasicm and has seemingly been proved to be true.
However for people saying that singing suarez name was aimed at the player And in support of rasicm that is a load of bull. His name was sung throughout the whole game and the timing was just unfortunate, hopefully the 'fan' who shouted the abuse is banned for life, we really don't need that sort of people attatched to the club
07 Jan 2012 18:35:20
I'm not sayin were getin him coz I have no idea who were getting but people have been askin if Jackson Martinez is any good. Well on paper he sounds ok he holds the record for most goals scored in a season in Columbia 18 he has 11 in 17 so far this season he can use both feet he's 25 years old. So he sounds ok but no idea if he looks ok
Porto have an eye for talent. If they're sniffing around then he must be decent.
-Shane.
There are plenty of youtube clips of him,if you want to see him score goals.whether he can produce them in the premiership who knows.
Nojay
07 Jan 2012 18:32:06
I just want to say that i'm rather annoyed as to whoever said a racist remark or whatever was said has taken the limelight over a great second half performance. I just hope our club can move on from all the racism rows etc and carry on moving forward to taking us back to the top.
Also want to say how nice it was to see Carroll score even if he did also miss a sitter. Hopefully it'll spur him on now. Also with Downing too.
We're in the semis of the carling cup, we're through to the next round of the fa cup and we're 3 points of 4th, that shows we are on our way up. Lets keep it going lads and with a couple of signings this month which will help bolster our squad, let's put all these racism rows behind us and concentrate on this champions league place.
Dale B
07 Jan 2012 18:30:10
Plenty on YouTube mate. Shame the best win of the season has been overshadowed by other events. Hope there is a return to football as soon as possible. Lol
07 Jan 2012 18:26:51
Hi Eds and fellow liverpool supporters.
Firstly i want to say i'm sick of all these bent rumours when all Eds and Macca have said he will not sign. There's no need to make up false rumours.
Secondly, a question to the Eds, do you expect us to move soon for any potential signings or can you not really say as to when we'll make a move? Also, is there any more news on who we're interested in right now?
Thanks,
Dale B {Ed002's Note - Nobody knows when transfers will actually happen and no new news right now.}
So what news is there ed002 {Ed002's Note - As I said, there is no new news.}
07 Jan 2012 18:23:02
i was sitting at the bus stop waiting for the number 28 while eating my steakhouse angus.....when a car pulled up alongside me....this chap started asking me directions in a broad Portuguese accent.
i didnt realise till after he had gone that it was carlos tevez who was lost trying to find his way to melwood..
you heard here first!!
red ted
{Ed002's Note - Portuguese?}
Tevez is Argentinian and therefore speaks Spanish. Portuguese is spoken in Brazil.
Good attempt though.
Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool, it makes me laugh how deluded some people are haha
clm96p
Perhaps it was spainsh...but not being a lingustics expertlinguistics expert i would nt know as they all bloody foriegn to me
Haha it gets better
Ste Liverpool
So as well as being a little low on intelligence you are also ignorant. How amusing.
I dont speak Spanish and I dont speak Portuguese but I am aware that Brazil speak one language and Argentina speak another since its just basic geography
07 Jan 2012 18:19:27
{Ed002's Note - Thanks for the secret message. "The Linen is Red".}
Not the message that was secret mate. Just the origins.
07 Jan 2012 18:19:24
Yep, Darren Bent is currently on the pitch in Bristol. Is the reader thinking of a different Bent player that is lined up for 20+ mil or is he looking forward to the new term on Monday. Lol
07 Jan 2012 18:15:39
Heard from a few sources we're looking at an 8.5 mil bid for Jackson Martinez out of Mexico. Never seen him play. Does anyone know if this striker is any good?
He has a good scoring record, for club and country,quick and good in the air,he looks the sort of player to prove himself at a lower prem club and try and progress.He might be a miss in this country,but he may be a success, I think 8.5 million for a 25yr old international striker,isn't bad.I believe it's worth a gamble.
A few sources, what a load bull. It was writen in the press this morning.
si
07 Jan 2012 18:09:21
Wearing t-shirts supporting a player convicted of racist abuse, reducing black opposition players to tears with crowd abuse. Classy stuff lads
Kicking a fan in the head, fulham reducing suarez to finger salute and person fans singing racist b'''''s songs, CLASSY STUFF LAD
It wasn't 'crowd abuse' - it was 'one gobby person abuse' RED LENIN
We need to stop using the media so much and shut up and respect peoples colours
Convicted by who? We haven't abused anybody? If you mean 2 or 3 out of the 45000 shouting you Manc bas###rd.
Then i'll hang my head in shame!
Insulting words which included a reference to Mr Evra's skin colour was the correct charge.
A conviction is the verdict that results when a court of law finds a defendant guilty of a crime. There was no court other than a kangaroo court.
I'd have thought a class person like you would have been able to make a more accurate post.
Back to your hole now please.
And how stupid of you to throw us all into the same bracket.What does that make you?
An Idiot.
Nojay
Even if they were chanting that, which is unlikely, why chant that anyway?
1. The player was of no threat to us so no need to chant something like that.
2. Liverpool is (or was it seems) a club which is both respected and respectable. We built this image by being respectful and chanting things like that is not respectful. Personally I could do without either of those chants, whichever it is.
Rewflo
07 Jan 2012 18:08:35
Hi ed.
Any chance we can have a 'racial issues' page?! Whilst recent events should be treated seriously and not swept under the rug as such... I do kind of miss the banter page being a little more light hearted. I much preferred reading about the tall tales of Ken Aguero!
Still loving the rumours page, regardless of how crazy some of them are!
Cheers,
Chally
{Ed002's Note - I rather hope it will soon be behind us.}
07 Jan 2012 17:46:19
Hi eds and reds does anyone know a site where I can watch the highlights of Liverpool vs oldham
LFC TV tomorrow
Footyroom
Just google "liverpool oldham goals" I did and saw the goals.
I watched the goals last night on this mate - www.futegoal.info/
The Real KB
07 Jan 2012 19:56:35
Liverpool vs Oldham Athletic
07 Jan 2012 17:43:49
Hi eds seeing as that de jong is now a summer target do you maintain the belief that we may sign 1 or 2 players this window ? Thanks {Ed002's Note - I would suspect that to be the case.}
07 Jan 2012 17:38:03
Just after some opinions from everyone. Oviously racism is not tolerated what so ever and I've never done it myself but I have said things like " you fat b*****d " and such . But is that any less of a offence than a racist remark. It could offend the person on the receiving end just as much. What does everyone think? {Ed002's Note - It is a "sizist" remark.}
Fat people were never made to sit at the back of the bus or use different toilets, or used of slave labour. Although you can see some benefits of forced labour for the more pleasently plump (joke pc brigde)
KNEE JERK
In my opinion both are unacceptable for supporters of this club. We used to be better than stooping to making fun people. I have never and will never do it. I support my team, I do not try to bring down others.
Rewflo
Irish were persecuted in the past,just as much.Potato famin etc.Doesnt make it right.But got to get away from notion its just Black people been persecutedLots of people/cultures still are all over world.In S.Africa race issues go on between rival tribes.Religion we all know problems that causes.All is wrong,but will probably always exist.At least underlyingly.Must get away from its just black people in uk persecuted.look at Dianne abbot also.All is wrong,but some balance in reporting and hysteria required.
Youve all namecalled on here when others have different view to our own.Dont give us that.Loads regular posters(non matchgoing,may i add)name call
07 Jan 2012 17:30:56
all of these rumours that have been flying around in the newspapers and online about liverpool looking to sign big players will all come falling down aftr the window has closed and no impact player is bought.
For gods sake get a life!!!.
paisleys slippers
It is surely unlikely Big impact players will be bought anyway as they will cost an absolute fortune as it's january, clubs don't want to sell there best players half way through a season, so it's highly unlikely anyway, we'd surely be looking at adding to the squad, unless, and only unless we sign bent, then it will cost alot,
plus i think by the end of january, well 11th febuary to be exact there will be a very very good impact player coming back into our squad in luis suarez, so unless we sign a top striker in the next week as some kind of back up for his absence i doubt we will ! this is not the window to buy TOP players, unless of course like last year a team like chelsea want to give you 50 million pounds for one player which is higly unlikely, then your not even spending your own money, so it's no wonder we were so loose with it last january
Need them,cost has to be wayed up v 4th spot.Or maybe years with average players and wilderness for LFC
07 Jan 2012 17:35:49
Ed can you have a quick word with kk and dc that we need Patricio rodriguez, he will be the start of a big change at LFC. A player with pace & skills makes players tackling him look silly. Him and Suarez linking up "deadly"
07 Jan 2012 17:25:11
nearly 35 years supporting this club and ive never felt so ashamed and embarrased, paul
Oh for gods sake grow up
We dont know what has been said yet so grow up
It was embarassing , but slight overreaction?
Clearly having supported the club for nealy 35 years he doesn't need to grow up !!
though he is completely entitled to his opinion, so maybe you should grow up as you've little respect for his opinion,
Why? Nothing has happened to make me ashamed of supporting our great club. As an earlier poster has stated, on the occasions where I have had the opportunity to get to anfield, I have never ever heard anything from anyone that is racist. Swearing and such, yes of course, but never anything racist. By all accounts of everyone who was sat near the 'incident' last night, there was no racism then either - the lad in the crowd was 'mis heard' by the player. As to the whole Suarez business, the player says that he didn't intend any sort of racial abuse, and the club stand by him, as do I. In fact, the president of uraguay stands behind him, and the rest of south America. Ok, he's learnt a very hard lesson, IMO too harsh, that, kind of ironically, in a country that has/had problems with racism, it is easier to have a comment interpreted as being racist than in his homeland, where racism doesn't exist. Anyway, how can either of these two cases be embarrassing, unless you are being conned by the main stream press? Use your own eyes and ears to decide if you think anfield or other lfc supporters are racist. I can assure you that if anyone thought it was, we wouldn't have the support, and supporters, that we do. Nick.
You've lived a very sheltered life then.
What about Heysel? What about the Munich songs and taunts? Just two examples that bring more shame and embarassment on the club.
Rigsby.
This was the game of his life for a young lad starting out in professional football. His upset was plain to see. Not sure why he has not made an official complaint yet. Perhaps the older pros have given reassurance that the taunts are part and parcel of the spectator sport and are not to be taken to heart. Hear too much of this stuff even on the sidelines of school football matches. It's not necessary.
Regarding the above poster - I've never heard anyone sing chants about Munich. Anyone who would do something like that is spam, or mentally retarded or both. I despise anything that is based on hate. You may say I live a sheltered life because I don't hang around with hate filled people, that's up to you. All I'm saying is the club hasn't done anything to make me embarrassed over their actions. I can't really see what that has got to do with heysel or some low life hate filled cretin singing songs about people that died.
Racism does exist in Uruguay remember there was a time when it was considered ok and normal to use words like that in this country. Uruguay are just a bit behind us.
I can't believe you've never heard the Munich songs; that's songs, not song. The fans that sang it brought shame and embarassment on the club, more so than last night. Heysel brought shame and embarassment on the club, as well; more so than last night (even though we took more blame than we should have).
Rigsby.
"Racism does exist in Uruguay remember there was a time when it was considered ok and normal to use words like that in this country. Uruguay are just a bit behind us."
British colonialism at all? And you seem to suggest that they are 'behind you' as racism may persist there - suggesting it does not in the UK.
07 Jan 2012 17:18:01
Really think lfc should bid for lucas barrios, any interest?
07 Jan 2012 17:12:55
Does any1 like me think we should take a punt on jordan rhodes from huddersfield?
The lad looks awesome and scores for fun
Unfortunately it doesn't always translate to success in the higher divisions. Hope the lad is given the opportunity to support Huddersfield back into the championship.
Terry MC will let Kenny and the boys know if he's decent...mark my words.
DaveyBootle
07 Jan 2012 16:46:38
I do not understand why some people continue the story with Suarez and propose to sell one of our best players. Suarez did not say the word in a racist manner and we have to believe him. Support our player. If he did say it the racist way he had his punishment 8 match ban and a fine £40000. personally I don't believe he said it the racist way otherwise the management would not support him. Therefore stop winding things up, get behind our players and stop this racist talk. It is no good for the players and the club. Put old things to bed look forward to win the cap. This was a scam to destroy Suarez and leave us without our main striker for important games so we loose games. WAKE UP
How can you really say this was a scam. It was Suarez that made the remark not anybody else. Racism is a horrible thing & for you to treat it as something so stupid really pi** me off. GROW UP.
07 Jan 2012 16:40:30
hey eds, great job on here...just wondering would anthony pilkington be worth a bid? he has been performing for norwich and paul lambert put a 5-8 million price tag on him. as we're not going to get adam johnson would pilkington be a possible signing? {Ed001's Note - hard to say, they wouldn't welcome bids, so his price might be a bit higher than you think. Personally I would trust the club on this one, if they feel he is good enough I wouldn't dispute it but I also wouldn't argue if they didn't. I haven't sat and watched enough of him to really be sure whether he is good enough myself.}
07 Jan 2012 16:35:49
well reds eds i know it has nothing to do with football
but can any of you remember who framed Roger Rabbit?
well i downloaded it for my kid to watch and while watching it one of the opening scene when Donald duck and daffy duck were playing pianos they are calling each other names and Donald duck says to daffy (dumb dumb stupid n****r) i couldn't believe it
my kid didn't notice thanks to be jayus.
just goes to show what are kids are watching.
k-h
Donald duck is a well known rascist
gee man
The duck is quackers mate take no notice of him.
Micheal Mouse
07 Jan 2012 16:35:26
I know I'm stating the obvious but Lucas is missed so much. The amount of joy teams get from just drifting players in between or centre mids and centre halves is unbelievable I mean just look at Aguero's goal and the Oldham lads goal last night, just simple movement that puts immense pressure on our back four and to make things worse they never go to pressure the man taking the shot. They just stand off which asks for deflections or even a goalkeeping mistake. I have only noticed this happening since Lucas has been out, Spearing is a bundle of energy and enthusiastic but ultimately a very limited player. Also, what do we do to make sure we are not so predictable? Every move is just get the ball out wide and HOPE Downing or Johnson finds Andy but the ball is so poor and he is so isolated up there that teams just crowd out Andy or Luis. This is why so many teams have had joy at Anfield this season, they drop men back crowd round the penalty box and leave us pass it round out the pitch, to no avail. We then panic and have no plan B. What do we do to rectify this? More pace is definitely needed and I'm sure Stevie will help raise the tempo of our passing but what do we do to not be so predictable? Will signing a striker solve everything or do the problems go deeper and beyond that? Would like to hear your opinions!
Striker,playmaker with energy=ala Stevie but more craft.And Right winger.Nowt less will change seasons corse for sure!
07 Jan 2012 16:06:20
im not comin guys, wudda been a honour to pull on the red jersey {Ed002's Note - Apparently a message from Darren Bent.}
Were did you get that from ed2? {Ed002's Note - It was posted like all the other messages. It came with an email address darrenbent9@... It will likely be the work of a child.}
Lol ed2
k-h
07 jan 2012 16:05:11
things are getting so bad at the club!!!
time to sell suarez and ban for life them idiots from last nights game!!
liverpool is in our hearts
I do not call this behavior support for the club and Our player. It is like you are convinced that Suarez is racist. He is not
Grow up you wimp
If this was in a workplace it would result in being sacked .
Just a thought but what if these so called liverpool fans who shouted out rasial abuse to the oldham player were in fact man utd fans wearing "suarez t-shirts" trying to case more trouble for Liverpool?? How can you prove they are Liverpool fans?? {Ed002's Note - You need to take this thought to the Conspiracy page.}
No my friend it would not result in a sacking at all, a workplace in this day and age wouldn't DARE sack an employee on the evidence of ONE man saying 'he called me a ne#ro', and the fact a racist comment was made was nothing more than a 'probability',?? absolutely no chance,
if this happend in this day and age without solid evidence which evra's was not it would go to court and the fella in question of racism would say i have been sacked for 'probably' being racist, without much evidence, without ANY witness backing at all and he would then walk out of court with a very juicy settlement for his character being destroyed and loss of earnings, the FA have only got away with this because they started off by saying we do not find mr suarez to be a racist, but we do find him guilty of using racist language, therefore he cannot sue for defamation of character, and the fact he admitted to saying the word ne#ro means he used a racist word, lesson to be learned here is, HE AND THE CLUB SHOULD HAVE LIED !!! then there would have been ZERO proof, nuff said
Last nights incident has nothing to do with Suarez and mentioning his name when discussing it, isn't fair on him. There were nearly 45,000 people at the game, so by the law of averages there were bound to be some racists and idiots there. It doesn't make the club racist and neither does the Suarez episode. But I'm sure there will be attempts by some to make something of it.
It'll all blow over.
Rigsby.
Just to stupid for words.
It should blow over Rigsby mate.But Media got teeth into us,and wont let it.It will lead to hosility and vitriol at every away ground.Media should then be done for incitement.Their whipping up a storm.Hardly responsible journalism
07 Jan 2012 15:54:25
hi eds...any truth that we are set to sign jackson martinez ..dont no to much about him myself...does any one no anything about him?? thanks
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yes he plays for jaguares of mexico, and is a very good player, 2-footed,flair and pace he is also a good header of the ball and if we were to sign him for 8.5m i would be happy to see him as a short-term replacement for luis before dropping onto the bench
wafa
07 Jan 2012 15:51:18
Well... how sad around the world Liverpool FC & it's fans and players are being labeled as Racists. Though we all know the truth the recent events has dirtied the clubs image. Many thanks to British Media as usual. I say the club needs to leave all this behind & send a strong clear massage to the world. LIVERPOOL NOT A RACIST CLUB.
And something I would like to share regarding transfers, I think we 'll only sign one player this window. And he 'll be either a striker or a winger.. other than that no one is coming in...
Armando
07 Jan 2012 15:45:36
Because one or two idiots may said something it doesn't mean that the club is racist. As a matter of facts we LFC have many black players in the team such as Johnson, Sterling, David ammo etc. I think people are looking for excuses to give the club a bad name. We should all stick together as a club and do not continue this rubbish.
I agree mate but remember the rubbish is being continued mainly thanks to the press and media oh and rival fans who get a kick out of it
I hate that sort of arguement e.g I've got black mates so I'm not racist e.t.c it's pathetic.
07 Jan 2012 15:43:33
Surely the events last night come as no surprise to those of us fortunate enough to attend games reguarly. Regardless of the team or ground it appears to be accepted by Clubs, Stewards and the Police for everyone at or near corner flags to pour scorn, hatred, bile and abuse on any opposition player when they go near that position. Its no different for Stevie or any of our players when they take corners at the Anfield Rd / Main Stand area. We can see the hatred, abuse and gesticulations from fans directed at players but NEVER any action against those culprits. Perhaps the time has come for some of those despicable characters to be hauled out of their seats, named and shamed, then banned for life by their home club. Sadly, the acceptance of this sort of regular behaviour every week may have contributed to some misguided soul to believe he has the right to take that one extra step and hurl racial abuse (allegedly).
This is a national football problem and certainly not confined to Liverpool FC.
One final point - Would any of those so-called fans be allowed to stand in any town centre and shout the same abuse or make the same gesticulations at members of the public and get away with it?
Midsred
In the derby this season, the Everton fans threw coins and bottles at Bellamy and Suarez! Yet nothing was done about their fans, that could have acctually done physical harm! They should have just claimed it was racist behavoir!
What town center do you mean ? as these timewaped b**tard do not come from Liverpool and are not representitive of our city or our club. Frankly should have been knocked out for wearing jester's hats let alone unleashing racist bile that not heard on the Kop for over 20 years. Lets hope the police catch up with them before some proper Reds do, as their cards will be marked. You need to show some respect when you're a guest in someone elses house
Aintee aint they?
07 Jan 2012 15:29:15
Ed002, can I ask you again how the non-EU system works in the Italian league. I did ask you the same thing back in December, and you promised me an answer in the new year LOL. Thanks in advance.
AG {Ed002's Note - In simple terms, each club is allowed to buy a limited number of non-EU players in a season - usually two although it was reduced to one last season for a year. If a club wishes to do more, they can obtain through bartering unused non-EU allocations from other clubs. Clubs can also free up a slot by selling a non-EU player outside of Italy. There are then a bunch of rules which change the quota allocation after promotion from a lower division.}
So, these bartering system Ed002, can a club 'borrow' them from other Italian clubs in the lower divisions? Also, how can an Italian club sell a non-EU player outside of Italy. Do you mean, they could have bought the player, but loaned him out outside the league, then decided to sell him to increase a non-EU spot? That sounds a bit shady to me. But, how exactly would that increase a non-EU spot?
AG {Ed002's Note - Not in the lower divisions, they are covered by separate rules that effectively do not allow non-EU players to be bought. To free up a slot an existing non-EU player would have to be sold outside of Italy, i.e. not to another Italian side. He could then be replaced.}
Wow, way to complicated I understand, cheers for the replies Ed002!
AG
07 Jan 2012 15:35:10
Demba BA for £10m?
Great player but you have to ask why would they even consider selling him.
We all know his knees are ruined and I feel Newcastle are trying to quit while they are ahead with him.
It's a shame Liverpool didn't take a chance on him in the summer on a pay as you play style contract, his goals would of been very useful.
It seems hindsight isn't one of kennys many god given gifts.
MIKEY
He would not pass the medical you dumb f***.
You like the sound of your own voice, shut up!
LG.
Bit harsh. He was only stating his opinion.
Very grown up of you.
Yeah I know he wouldn't of passed the medical, but if kenny knew he would of scored so many goals he would of had him on a free surely?
MIKEY
07 Jan 2012 15:31:58
Dear Tom Adeyimi, we as true Liverpool fans and fans in general apologize for that knobhead in the stand who hurled racist abuse at you. You seem a good lad, don't let it get you down.
McSnuggles
Well said mate, but don't forget the other idiots who immediately started singing the Suarez song and booed the lad as a direct result of the incident. Lets not pretend this overall problem is confined to one fan!
There's no evidence and no arrests have been made, what are we apologising for? If it turns out this did happen, then the guilty party will be the one to apologise, not the average fan who had nothing to do with it. Last season LFC had no racial-abuse related arrests, that's two less than Man Utd and Arsenal and four less than the Birmingham clubs. Surely the fans of these clubs should also apologise for that microscopic percentage of spam that tarnished their club?
If we say sorry now, without warrant, we'll look like simply pathetic apse-lickers to the media that have hung us out to dry since the moment Suarez was accused of abusing Evra.
Martin
No one racially abused the lad ffs an i was in the kop singing the suarez song even b4 play stopped and i booed the lad because he waved his arm angrly at the kop some people are blowing this all out of proportion
big red john
07 Jan 2012 15:23:40
In the next few weeks you watch there will be bbc and channel 4 programs all on how racist the whole of football is it is absolute media hype, i played semi pro football for ten years and believe me ethnic minority fans and players are just as racist as white fans and players yet it always seems to be a comment by a white fan or player that gets the news. I have been called a greek w***** because of my background and white piece of s*** and I know many other players that this happened to, don't get me wrong racism exists and it is wrong but in the heat of the moment observational anger takes over when you are put on the floor or for some who want to take an advantage onn a hot headed player. I tell you now that I have tried to complain about abuse from a certain player and because of the colour of my skin i was told that i should just get on with it, I am sorry but discrimination of one race seems to take precedence over all others what seems to be forgotten in all this is that there are many races in the world not just black and white like the FA seem to take a stance over.
Spot on mate, The world has gone mad its now one rule for one
A very true and concise comment. The media is stirring up the situation with mis information. It will start an epidemic of "racial" claims. Stan Collymore for one.
Im afraid non is the correct attitude.But your bang on-majority aint heard.And n=minority can abuse majority all they like.That in itself aids bigotry.Needs to be a level playing field so to speak
07 Jan 2012 15:17:27
I don't have a season ticket and
I cannot go to every Liverpool game.
But I do go regularly to Anfield whenever
I can get a ticket. In all those times I've
never heard anyone shouting any racist
abuse. Sure there is abuse, anti manc,
anti-cockney, anti-south. But never ever
have I heard anything racist. Maybe others
could tell diffferent stories? but I've never
heard anything racist from Liverpool fans.
07 Jan 2012 15:13:30
I'm sick of hearing this nonsense that all Andy Carroll needs is good service, what a load of carp. Is that all we have bought then? Stand him on the penalty spot and put good balls into him and that's it? What if the centre half plays well? What if the full back plays well?
He didn't score last night because of good service he scored because of what he did himself with his own movement and ability. If we see more of that then none of us will be able to criticise him but so far against decent oposition we haven't seem it, but for christs sake stop trying to make it everybody elses fault.
I'm not saying good service wouldn't help but come on!
I agree for 35 million of the queens cash, you should have a player that is more than a door stop.
Biggest mistake Liverpool made was to buy him when aguero cost 3 million more.
A striker is only as good as the service he receives.
Andy Carroll is a very good striker, he proved this at Newcastle.
If we played to his strengths and gave him the service he requires he would be unstoppable as he was for Newcastle.
MIKEY
Agree. Any players worth 35m should be an all round quality player with many attributes and MORE than capable of both creating his own goals and scoring when others have provided him with good balls.
Completely agree with ya mate.. whats the use of his feet.....he plays football but he prefers not to use it or don't know how to use it... come on LMAO
Like to see more strikes like last night...
Am counting on you Andy don't let us down.
Armando
MIKEY, that is just nonsense. A top class striker in a poor team will still perform, ok obviously better service should equate to better return but the very best strikers will make their own luck and their own chances.
"I agree for 35 million of the queens cash, you should have a player that is more than a door stop.
Biggest mistake Liverpool made was to buy him when aguero cost 3 million more."
Aguero would have NEVER come to liverpool, we would have NEVER paid his wages, and we aren't and may not be in next seasons champions league, so for 3 million more we would not have got aguero, liverpool fc would have never once entered his mind
Andy can only do so much mate. If you watch the games properly you will see he puts in the effort, he is not getting the support he needs. Like I said he was unstoppable for Newcastle. You don't become useless overnight.
Downings poor form of late and no right winger at all in our team can't help him. The only decent balls he is getting come from Enrique. A defender. Our midfield needs to provide quality balls to him from wide areas, corners, free kicks. He is feeding off scraps.
Hopefully when gerrard is fully fit an we finally get a decent right winger, we will see the best out of him.
All the crosses are coming from downing because he is the only real wide player we have so it's all too easy for teams to prepare and plan for this.
I am a bit sick of saying it but here goes, andy is not a 35m player. His price tag was what we had to pay last minute to get a replacement for Torres. He is all we could get after failed bids for lorrente etc. We could never have got aguero because his wages are stupid. Carroll prob costs half of what aguero will cost city over the length of his contract.
Andy needs time and support, not just from the fans but from the team.
He is on a special fitness regime to get his fitness up to standard, we might not see the real andy Carroll again until next season, but he is a gifted player and may well one day justify his 35m price tag.
MIKEY
Sorry MIKEY but you talk about how good he was at Newcastle and the form he was in but the reality is it was only 6 months of form and there have been many strikers who have shone for 6 months or even more in the premiership only to disappear without trace the following season.
Form is tempary, class is permanent.
MIKEY
Mikey and quite a few other regular bposters seldom go to game.they admitt that.no problem.But if you went,yould see his lackve movement,or football brain to make a far post run.When balls gone wide.Yet when we who go say our views,were dissed by the regular posting mafia-who dont go!
07 Jan 2012 15:12:53
This is anfield is reporting that we are in talks with Junior Hoilett thats why he as been left out of the Blackburn squad. Also we are negotiating with swansea for sinclair is this true eds?
Mighty reds {Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}
I really hope this is true. Both are young, skillful and pacey players with plenty of time to develop.
Getting these two in jan will allow Kuyt and Bellermy to push up front.
And then go and get us a quality striker in the summer.
07 Jan 2012 14:55:34
I think instead of walking out to You'll Never Walk Alone at our next home match we should walk out to Michael Jackson's Black or White.....send a message to the world.
Samson Rasher
That a joke?
DaveyBootle
Get a grip!
That would be tremendous and a great way to show respect. I am all up for it!
We had a player embroiled in a complicated saga regards comments made on the pitch. Yesterday there were 1 or 2 fans who may or may not have said a distasteful thing. Why oh why do you think that the remainder of the playing staff, backroom staff, all connected with Anfield & the hundreds of thousands of fans worldwide have to justify themselves as not being racist by attempting stunts as your suggesting. There is no message that needs to be given to the world, events have been unfortuante but as an LFC fan I do not feel the need to apease or apologise to anyone. Perspective please!
dd
We will go back to the days of "rent a mob" sending thugs to all football grounds to abuse players and other fans.
07 Jan 2012 14:54:17
People are saying that Liverpool fans are racist based on a consequence of events, Tom Adeyami (sorry about sperlling) is racially abused by fan, the rest of the fans then begin to sing in support of a player who has been charged for racial abuse of another player, so its almost as if theyre saying f*** you, in a sort of way, so I can see where it comes from, but most of the crowd would not have even known what was going on with the Oldham lad.
What is worse is that the fan accused was wearing a Suarez support T-Shirt, this shows that the T-Shirts were simply a chance for our racist fans to show their feelings, although it was meant as a beacon of support for a Liverpool player by those who do not have any racial prejudises.
I wholly believe that the fan in question should be banned for life from the stadium, by the club, if he is not then the FA have an instant opportunity to get one over on the club who stood wholly against them just a number of weeks ago.
They could make an example of the club by deducting points, kicking us out of the FA Cup, a massive club fine, or force us to play a game behind closed doors.
The club must show their anti-racism stance and ban the fan themselves, to avert any over the top action by the FA.
Anfield Andy
That is not what happened. The Liverpool fans had been singing Luis Surez's name all through the match not just after the incident. As for what was said, every nespwaper gives a different version but the only 'witness' version from a TV reporter is that what was said was 'you f****** Manc b******' and that has also been partly 'substantiated' by a newpspaer quoting an unnamed witness as stating that to the police - although the TV reporter and unnamed witness may well be the same person.
Only the most idiotic of football fans would be reading the fail anyway. Football fans across the world know Liverpool has some of the best fans.
And I find it very hypocritical of the dail fail to accuse anybody of racism.
We have a game in work, we get all the papers everyday you see.
We get the dail fail and we bet on what page the first bit of racist rubbish appears in that rag.
MIKEY
Bet you don't get past page 1 most days. Chuck in unmarried mothers and the unemployed and you definately wouldn't get past page 1.
I would think the police should find more than one spectator in the crowd to be a witness, otherwise anyone could lie or mis hear the words.
It was travellers for a while, then unions, then benefit cheats, then asylum seekers.
It's an awful awful paper only to be read by the bigots of society.
I would rather have all the above living in Britain before a dail mail reader.
MIKEY
07 Jan 2012 14:50:42
Hi Ed, just wondering if Liverpool have shown any interest in Rosenborg BK midfielder Markus Henriksen? Looks a great attacking midfielder and he's only 19. But I have heard that he would like to play in Germany. {Ed002's Note - Fantasy Manager again or not?}
Pour scorn on FM all you want ed002.
But the mighty Mourinho himself uses the Football Manager scouting database. He would be foolish not to imo, although my opinion matters little next to Jose's (obviously) when it comes to football related matters, as does yours.
The only difference here is that I both know of, and agree with Jose's use of FM.
You know neither, nor do you know how detailed the stats are - this makes you rather ignorant in regard to driving any kind of discussion on this topic. But you still managed to carry a snappy condescending tone.....
So leave it out ed002. You look silly.
BJH YNWA {Ed002's Note - Why are you so obnoxious all of the time, moaning at the other posters, moaning at the editors? We make an effort to be reasonable with you but you constantly grizzle?}
07 Jan 2012 14:34:58
Justy a quick one for the eds, being as the police have said that no one was charged for racial abuse last night as what was actually said was 'You Manc Ba5tard' can you now stop any further posts relating to this 'non issue' and let the club deal with any further issues as i feel that keep commenting on here is only fanning the flames of a fire that was dieing down.
ash240970 {Ed002's Note - The police have not said anything of the sort. The police and the club are taking this matter very seriously and are investigating it. All they have confirmed is that no arrests were made last night in relation to "racially aggravated behaviour".
Ed 002, seems like your having a ld day with all this. It's been reported a that some fan's have heard the comment was Manc b**tard. Was you their because you seem to have an awful lot to say on the matter,just like you did with Suarez,telling all and Sundry to read the report. When you've been on a match instead of being a glorified number cruncher and wait until the finding's come out. Terrible if indeed an person has said something to the young man,but. {Ed002's Note - Is there something wrong with you? "ld day", "been on a match", "glorified number cruncher"?}
JOHNSON {Ed002's Note - Thank you for you support. The Eds appreciate posts like yours as we give up our time for nothing to keep this site running. I supported you when all others wanted to simply to ban you because you are constantly abusive.}
07 Jan 2012 14:22:57
just been down the local kebab house for a spot of lunch....got chatting with this guy who commented on the size of my doner meat....it turns out this guy happens to be Giannis Fetfatzidis who it turns out plays for Olympiakos....says he is having a medical tommorrow at melwood
Lol
Red snake
Liked your meet did he?
DaveyBootle
Yes he did.....he was raving about my mayo
07 Jan 2012 14:22:17
I can't help but feel that Kelly is better than Johnson, then if this is the case why do we not just play kelly or is there something in the contract tht johnson must get so many games -McMenemy
07 Jan 2012 14:20:04
according to 1 witness it was 1 fan shouting a racist remark to the player, he should be banned but you cant really put the blame on the whole of lfc.
RedTurk
Redturk it must be the first post I have seen from you where you have not mentioned andy Carroll. Have you got a boy crush on someone else?
MIKEY
Be kind. No need to bring it up if he something constructive to say.
I havent forgot about andy carroll mate, he scored a goal against average opposition, when he can do that consistantly against top teams then i have nothing to say about him, i still think he doesnt suit lfc, but we will ofcourse see if im right or not in coming games as im sure he will get abit of time unless we buy a quality striker.RedTurk
07 Jan 2012 14:16:28
Just because ONE person said something does not mean ALL LFC fans are racist. I was there last night, i was sitting directly 15 rows behind these guys. I couldnt hear what they said of course, but they must have shouted it for the player to have heard it. Judging by the players reaction this mindless person said something which is purly disgusting. However they guys who seem to have said this did look of a non english decent shall i say, maybe from the far east therefore they should know exactly what not to say!! What i was anoyed at most with the incident was the way Liverpool football club delt with it, now ive had a season ticket all my life, i go to every home match and most away matches, so for me to say this and be anoyed with the club is something. As i mentioned the "fan" (using the word very loosly) must have shouted it for the player to have heard it, between the fan and the player where 3 photographers and a steward sitting down between a gate and the advertising boards. Now the situation went on for a good 5 minutes maybe? Not a single steward went over towards where this "fan" was sitting to see what was going on. Surly the player could have stayed there and pointed out to a steward or police man which "fan" said this and the "fan" would then be known and could be delt with. Our clubs stewards messed up there i think by not going over to the situation. I have all the simpathy for the Oldham kid, and hope to god this "fan" is never allowed in a football stadium again. Saying that by the looks of the group sat where the abuse came from, it looked like their first ever game by the way they where dressed (2 scalfs, full kit, jester hats etc). After all the Suarez stuff this is just what we didnt need. But it must be stressed that it was ONE OR TWO fans inside a 45,000 seater stadium!
Saying that i do have to say i think the player did milk the situation A LOT, are you telling me that he has NEVER EVER been on the end of racial abuse, especially at that level of football which Oldham play. I know its no excuse but unfortunatly im sure he has had this abuse before and maybe milked the situation a bit too much.
That was a quite sensible post until the final point. You have clearly never been on the receiving end of racial abuse. Sorry he's not habituated to such disgusting behaviour.
Rikki
You aren't black obviously. You don't actually know what it feels like to be racially abused. Not everyone is racially abused :S How did you come up with the theory that every black person is racially abused? Don't be so synical. You need to research black history before you go ahead and say it isn't that big of a deal. Shut the hell up!
Im not saying it is the correct thing to do, nor am i saying every black player is abused, but being honest mate, and its something i wish i was not saying but its true, the way people are, the way the younger generation of this country especially are like, at the lower levels of football im sure he has had abuse in the past, thats all im saying and i bet when/if he has he hasnt reacted like that, its because its on a big stage infront of cameras and after all the Suarez stuff, put it this way, if Oldham where playing Sailsbury today in the FA Cup and a Sailsbury fan said something to that lad, no-one would even have heard about it. Im not saying its the right thing to do, i just think unfortunatly he more than likely will have had something said to him before being a footballer, and im sure he wouldnt have reacted like that
Oh so you have to be black to be racially abused do ya mate. I think you'll find racism is a 2 way issue !
Ur not black so u cant possibly know what its likje to be racially abused? thats the kind of comment that ppl need to get over!.. Everyone can be racially abused or face predujice.. do u think it hurts any less to be called a fat B*****D or a Poof.. or a ginger.. i could go on.. Do you seriously think if someone calls me a White b*nt im not going to feel the hurt in that.. correct, i dont have a history of racial abuse.. but does that mean we should create one!.. Its a slippery slope when you tell someone that they Cant be racially abused because their skin isnt black.. thats racial abuse itself!
So you shut the hell up!
ItsNotRocketScience
I can say my opinion fella and you wont stop me by saying shut the hell up, If you get hurt by names and dont like other peoples opinions then dont come on here and start being all high and mighty or you'll be placed in some sort of category yourself which makes you no better than any so called ' bad person '. racism is a 2 way thing in this life so tough for you lad your wrong ! i bet that hurts your EGO hey lad.
Yeap two way street in all walks.Ive posted several,inc long post saying same.Balance is reqd.
07 Jan 2012 14:06:37
I think there is a lot of over reaction to the incident at Anfield last night. If I am to beleive that nothing more than " You Manc B*****d" was said then what is the issue? As much as it mightnot be the nicest thing to hear, I'm sure there are plenty of worse things to be heard at footie games. I also don't see how singing a song for Suarez is an issue. I'm sure Man Utd fans sang about Cantona when he was banned for his Kung Fu kick! It's no big deal. Suarez made a mistake, how much is open to debate & a lot of fans think he was harshly dealt with, which is also open to debate. Everyone is out toget Liverpool at the moment, or at least ot certainly feels that way. Let the press & other clubs fans do their worst. Anyone with a bit of common sense knows there's nothing racist about our club, so support the club & Suarez now that he has accepted the ban. Circle the wagons around our club but don't be over reacting to what other fans say or the press for that matter. That's what they want us to do.
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - It is not suggested that is what was said.}
The most sensible post I've read on the matter. It really is winding me up that this has been blown out of proportion so much. He called him a Manc b*****d. Everyone around him heard him say it. The player mis-heard him, and reacted to it. That's what happened, plain and simple. The two Asian lads sitting infront of him also heard him say it, and confirmed he said Manc b*****d. All the rest is press mis reporting and hype, because as I see it, there is some sort of press vendetta to stick the knife into lfc, despite the facts. It's unfortunate that the lad got 'mis heard', but it happened. No reason for running the story on bbc news at 1.00, in my opinion, making out that there is a story in there somewhere. Nick.
07 Jan 2012 13:51:19
ed can you please put this on the banter board and even pass it on to macca . after last nights abuse of Tom Adeyemi . does anyone agree with me that this is all getting out of hand now and as a club we all should pull together and try are best to stamp this crap out . an idea ive just thought of was with the team . as we did with the evra incident , i think it may be a good idea that the team comes out the next match to warm up Tom Adeyemi t-shirts. does any one think this could be a good idea just to show the idiots out there we will not stand for any of this crap any longer
Disagree about the t-shirts
g-doo
Forget the t-shirt thing
Don't be so stupid. Sounds like del boy
07 Jan 2012 13:50:12
Afternoon all, Im sorry ed's i have to say what i feel, The players are grown men fgs sticks n stones and all that ! If u cant take a bit of name calling should u b in the game? What happend in salford boxing day, made me ashamed to be English, now im just wondering how long it will be b4 the media find out what team (the maggot they got 4 that) surports and then turn on them then
Trying to deflect attention ? Sad sad ppl
07 Jan 2012 13:46:42
kuyt defo needs to go, he is lacking confidence pace.touch and accuracy on goal. if we recoup about £8-£10m it will be alright. maxi is a good player he's had some impressive performances against every team, if we do sell him i'd rather see him in a switch with lavezzi plus offer £23mil
07 Jan 2012 13:43:39
I believe the problem Andy Carrol lack of goals is bad service and i believe this is caused by Downing playing on the right and maxi/Bellamy on the left.
Whenever our wingers get the ball they cut in onto their stronger foot to try and provide a decent cross to the striker and when they cut in this allows the opposition defenders to walk out getting Carrol into an offside position. Carrol then has to also walk with the defenders to try and get himself onside, so whenever a ball is delivered by downing/bellamy/maxi into the box by cutting in, Carrol will either receive the ball in an offside position or walking back from offside meaning theres no momentum and power for him to get the ball on target all the time.
SOLUTION:
let downing and bellamy swap wings
LFC GIANT
YNWA
Its absolutely right with the solution. Downing has struggled at right. Left wing is his natural position, he has played most of his career. bellamy has been superb on right wing as well as left. So, may be its worth a try. YNWA
That's that sorted then.
What the hell are you talking about Downing and Bellemy are doing just fine. They normally switch sides in a match anyway......f*ck me, there is so much negative comments from so called Liverpool supports.
07 Jan 2012 13:08:39
Did anyone know it was Carroll's birthday yesterday? He bagged in a birthday goal, fabulous. I'm expecting him to destroy City on Wednesday.
RenegadeRed
Blind faith/optimism ? Nah, just blind lol
True.
I was actually waiting for the Kop to sing Happy bday but they didn't. :/
PITSILFC
Made up for the big man. Was and absolute peach as well.
davethebutcher
07 Jan 2012 13:03:20
Dalglish today stated he is not looking to spend this transfer window as he wants to save the money to develop his new charity called 'Kenny's Pennys', an organisation that helps overpriced footballers (not mentioning any names) in a series of coaching lessons. These lessons will be run by Lional Messi, Diego Maradona, and Accrinton Stanley captain Andy Procter. Instead he wants to streangthen his squad by playing himself. You heard it here first so watch this space!
Pance post of the day
Ok a joke's a joke but Dalglish to do a lot of charity work, for example raising more for children causes around the world. His wife has founded a charity the marina Dalglish appear to raise money to fight cancer. This has raised fund for the Marina Dalglish cancer unit. The Dalglish family should be applauded for the charity work they do.
07 Jan 2012 13:01:24
manc b*****d?, that's what was said?, i didn't see the match, wasn't shown here for some reason. will catch the replay on wednesday night... but really...?? manc b*****d??. i'm nowhere near in the know here, but if that's what was said, and that caused tears? then somebody is milking a situation for more than it may be worth. Now before the PC mob get together over my comments. i'm not dismissive of racist behaviour. but if these comments were as i'm hearing on here then i don't see any racial abuse here? localism yes. racism no.
correct me if i've been misinformed of the comments made? {Ed002's Note - You have been misinformed about what was understood to have been said.}
Maybe this is KKs latest defence - the rest of the world is hearing things - shouldn't have a prob convincing the lobotomised scouse hordes who hang on his every word
Would you like to inform us ed002 of what was apparently said?
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - Try not to be so naive.}
Ok! I take it this has came from the Oldham player? Or anyone else?
Secondly, if " you manc B******d wasn't what was said, why let all the posts thru allowing such mis information. Or why not speak up earlier so we know the truth. I know you might find it naive Ed but not for one second I would expect to hear anything racists from a Liverpool crowd.
The Irish Rover {Ed002's Note - The Eds are stuck in a Catch-22 situation. If we cut all of these posts then people complain. If we let them go then others, like you, complain. It is not my place to speak up over this - it is well know what was puportedly said. This "variant" of what is being investigated is no more than a feeble attempt by some fans to make the issue go away. Fortunately both the police and the club are taking the matter seriously.}
07 Jan 2012 12:49:03
plan for summer.
Blackburn go down. buy goodwillie and hoilett. buy a time machine and buy MG Pedersen 5 yrs ago.
Goodwillie? Id rather hv a crocked torres back. N johnson instead of hoillet.
Indian Buzzer
Goodwillie can't even get a game for Blackburn? What are you smoking. Oh and if your going to the trouble of a time machine, get maradonna!
07 Jan 2012 12:48:12
Last night when I was watching the match online, I was getting a bit frustrated with our Dirk, as I am sure many of you were. I have huge respect for the man - he loves the shirt, so I love him. Anyway, when he went on one of his futile runs to nowhere, I called him a 'useless F-ing Clogg'.The thing is, if I met him, I'd probably tell him how great he is, what an inspiration he is to my kids, and generally big him up. Am I racist - and a two faced one at that?
No, you are a fool.
No racisim is a dislike to colour,creed, and race of person different from ones self. It's a very sad way to be live and let live, we are all intitled to walk on are own little bit of ground.
I forgot to sign
gee man
07 Jan 2012 12:46:35
The club needs to seriously get to grips with the issues arising out of last night's game. A small minority of fans seem to think that because they have paid for a ticket they can behave how they like and shout vile abuse at players and opposition fans which they would not get away with in any other public place. It might be hard for us to accept Suarez's suspension and try to find some excuse in the fact that Evra was also guilty of appaling remarks about Suarez's sister but I think the club needs to get hold of this issue before our reputaion as a club suffers. Anfield needs to re-establish itself as a place where anyone can come wihtout fear of being abused and intimidated.
Redpath
Anfield will remain that. Dont let two people win by saying stuff like that.
07 Jan 2012 12:44:53
i was really hoping Dean Bouzanis would start for Oldham, just to see if he is as good as i thought he would eventually be for LFC.
Why didnt doni play? Wats KK's problem? Keeps playin reina against exeter, n now oldham. It seems he doesnt trust the team to score enough goals, hence playin the best keeper, even though he needs a rest. probably he was thinkin of a cleansheet.
Indian Buzzer
07 Jan 2012 12:40:06
Hey Eds I just read that Denis Smith and David Gill were two of the three on the independent panel in the Evra/Suarez case.Is this true or just rubbish?
ChinUp {Ed002's Note - Smith yes. Gill no.}
Pfft. Independent panel my ap*e!
The Crowman {Ed002's Note - Why don't you share your wisdom then? Why did Liverpool's council not object when he had the chance?}
Cheers for the answer just read it on Tomkinstimes, didnt remember Gills name in the report. Think the legal team would have objected to that :)
ChinUp
Who knows? Maybe you can tell us why?
The Crowman {Ed002's Note - As I thought, just trolling and no position on or understanding of the matter.}
Maybe you can enlighten us Ed instead of acting all high and mighty all the time.
The Crowman {Ed002's Note - Enlighten you as to what? It was you who questioned their independence not me. We are all awaiting you to tell us the reasons for that piece of wisdom. Idiot.}
Because if we appealed against who was on the panel the F.A. would have chosen the replacements anyway.
GuvTOB {Ed002's Note - No it would not of.}
Whats wrong ed002? You seem very nasty today. Your usual considered approach and calm demeanour, which has drawn many followers to your flame has been lost to incoherent snidey attempts at argument and nitpicking.
Ignore my posts correcting you earlier - I didn't realise you were being smart (or trying to be! hehe) with everyone till I read further down the page.
We all have those days.
Stay cool. I dunno how you've kept patient this long though! Keep up the good work.
But in reply ed002, maybe the legal team didn't bring it up because LFC's legal team are clueless.
Wouldn't be the first time. Or the last. Whoever thought of the Suarez T-shirts was no Einstein either.... seems bad advice is the order of the day.
Also ed002, your impartiality has to be questioned here. You have clearly taken sides on the Suarez issue. As you would say - if you wan't examples of this then just 'read the posts'.
BJH YNWA. (I love you though ed002, things will get better) {Ed002's Note - I will try and deal with your points one by one. The “nastiness” is more frustration at those who do not substantiate their comments in any way – and do that regularly. At least you take the time to make your point and that is much preferred. I wasn’t being smart and I answered your posts about the press. Change your reading matter to the IHT and read the press agency items and you will, generally, get an unbiased view. As for the legal team not taking issue with the independent panel, the truth will eventually out that Liverpool’s legal team were appointed by the FA. It is interesting that nobody has mentioned the profiteering on the T-Shirts. I have certainly not taken sides on Suarez and I don’t think I am impartial. Suarez has been charged, the case heard and he has been found guilty and punished. An appeal was no requested. It is done. But if you check I think you will find that I have defended Suarez much more than anyone else on this site in respect of the comments suggesting is a racist and only corrected those who have been factually incorrect. Folks are getting tied up in the semantics of the matter now and that really does not help.}
True ed002. Semantics have taken over to a large extent. It's grown bigger by the day.
I understand the frustration you must feel too. Sorry if some of my arguments added to that also. I will be writing about the football on the pitch from now on.
Your opinions on the press are cool too. We all have our differing perceptions of our reality/the world we live in - and those perceptions will never converge into one by tomorrow morning, thats for sure!
We may have little arguments here and there ed002, but I have a great respect for both your opinions on the game and your work on the site.(I thought you already knew this, btw but it must be said).
You deal with all the madness very admirably. You are a credit to yourself, I see you as an adopted Red (even if that horrifies you - if it does, I meant well!)
Respect ed002. Sorry for jumping on debates at times (I kinda enjoy it! sorry! but no more!). I should realise it may piss you off. You are busy after all.
Sorry again and respect.
BJH YNWA. {Ed002's Note - No problem.}
07 Jan 2012 12:38:38
hi guys great website. just two things to say. is there any chance we will buy and sell players before the important game against man city?. Also when the Suarez ban is over, will he be able to play in the carling cup final (if we get through the semis)?. Thank you and YNWA. {Ed002's Note - We cannot say when any transfers will be completed, and Suarez will be able to play.}
07 Jan 2012 12:36:30
Hope we got scouts watching Redmond today great youngster
Square tomato
Defo worth a punt
Djjj
07 Jan 2012 12:27:22
My fellow LFC fans. Those who have the good fortune to attend matches, and those who support from afar.
All of us are re in some way responsible for the way LFC are viewed in the community, media, and social environment. We are all passionate about the club and it proud history. I would ask that we all act in a respnsible and dignified manner, be respectful of others. I am not preaching, but believe we need to set a positive image for the world and media, who are watching and scutinising what we do. We want to attract new supporters, players and investors, not cause those already involved with the club discomfort and embarassment. We would like our players to be proud of LFC and its supporters, not question their futures at the club.
Redpride.
What do you want the club to do? Put out a first team of non-whites. That itself is racist against the white majority in this country. |There will be an epidemic of racial abuse claims. This media hype is s**t stirring the people so they then can report in their rubbish papers the country is all racist.
07 Jan 2012 12:25:44
Racism....a terrible thing....why all the racist reactions of late though? Does it fill the pages?
DaveyBootle
What do you mean mate ?
The Real KB
I cant agree more that racism is indeed a terrible thing and obv when proven it HAS to be reported on and ppl involved dealt with appropriatly! This is why its back page news! Its disgusting if its proved true.
However, The PR dept at LFC during this vital time has to take a look at itself.. regardless of proof, had someone right at the off asked Suarez what was said, and he admitted to saying the word Negro then someone should have immediatly diffused the situation with an apology of sorts that would have taken the sting out of anything the FA and the MEDIA could have thrown at us, We would be seen as the club dealing with the issue instead of being portrayed as the club that doesnt care! He didnt have to admit to anything but could have just said that obv something he said had been taken in the wrong way and if any offensive was caused he was absolutely sorry!
But they didnt, the PR dept decided the best way forward was to support Suarez regardless and wait for proof, which never came, never was going to come and was never going to be the point! the FA has an agenda, they need to show UEFA that they take racism seriously and Blatter should resign! So it didnt matter what evidence there was or wasnt.. the FA was always going to find him guilty but the press would have dealt with things differently, some might even have taken up the arguement of lack of evidence.
Now i dont like to judge ppl but every team has a group of fans that quite frankly are thick! they do not listen or read things properly, they just hear what they want to hear and run with it.. and these idiots are the ones that abuse the likes of Stan Colleymore racially on twitter, they are the idiots that are abusing anyone online that dares to suggest LFC could have done this better, and they are the idiots that WILL shout abuse at matches... now here we are again, no evidence of anyone saying anything racially abusive but already we have been smeared with the racist tag. So i ask all LFC fans, if your friends with a thicko please please sit them down and explain that they are not helping, they make us all look like idiots. Then and only then will the likes of the daily media stop portraying us ALL as racists.
ItsNotRocketScience
Racism has always been around....players have criticised each other for years......fans taunt players....but it just seems that every page in a paper is dedicated to racism issue of some sort. It does need to stop and it's important that the paper address these issues....and media is the best way to get into our minds....but I can't help feel that stories like this fill empty pages and broadcasts.
DaveyBootle
07 Jan 2012 12:21:07
Liverpool are supporting Suarez over how the whole incident has affected him, not of what he had said, we dont tolerate any racial abuse or any form of discrimination, we are also not his judge and jury! Now anytime a player comes to Anfield they are gone to make claims of this, whether true or untrue. We, LFC, This Is Anfield, we are a family and familys stick together and support each other,so move on!
BootR
07 Jan 2012 12:16:47
Not a rumour! Just wondering with all this talk of another striker(winger more important IMO) how far away are the likes of adam Morgan from making the step up?
Irish red7 ynwa
I would like to see Adam Morgan step up one day however , I think he is a long way off scoring in the first team at the moment .
Qwerty
07 Jan 2012 12:14:14
I really can't think what striker will come in now that de Jong looks set to stay soldado was always a long shot podolski is staying, sounds like we don't want bent either! Maybe moussa sow could come in or maybe we should try for henrique of SPFC or Lacazette or Bas Dost. It will interesting to see who comes in the end.
Square tomato
Inzaghi?!
He is a finisher, who knows in the short term but probably not as he is something like 38?!
07 Jan 2012 12:02:30
Like several people I feel like the lad last night over reacted from what may have been a misheard racist comment. I don't know many black people myself but wanted to know if they would react in the same manner , I'm mean footballers get abuse about there wife's, girlfriends family , themselves all the time and take it on the chin. There is no place for racism in any walk of life but would have thought the player would have just got on with his game and report it afterwards to the correct orthotities. Just get the impression that some try to milk it and get some media coverage
Whoever tha player was, just wanted his ten mins of fame, coz his name will never be in the papers for his football.
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note - Fortunately the club are taking the matter very seriously and not simply blaming the player who has been subject to this abuse.}
Seems big coincidence on back of all thats alledged of late {Ed002's Note - It is not a co-incidence at all. It is a tiny minority in a near full ground that is one of the largest in the country. If you go to any similar size grounds you will, sadly, find the same thing. A lot of clubs have worked very hard to drive it out of the game and certainly there have been significant improvements over recent years. So hardly fortuitous, but high profile. It is not the fault of the club but they must be seen to act. Stripping him of his season ticket if he has one and a life ban will no doubt happen immediately.}
07 Jan 2012 12:01:58
ED please explain the principle behind an undisclosed fee for a player because i believe if the amount paid for Andy Carrol was undisclosed by liverpool the pressure of the 35m price tag wouldnt exist. What you think ed.
LFC GIANT
YNWA {Ed002's Note - Undisclosed fees are now a thing of the past but the fee for Carroll was indeed a little over £35M plus VAT plus agent fees plus VAT on agent fees.}
Surely the VAT can be claimed back, it doesn't add to his cost. {Ed002's Note - Not on the agent fees.}
Agreed. But in your original post it seemed like you were trying to infllate people's perception of his cost unnessesaryily. {Ed002's Note - No - that is what Liverpool paid. It is the truth - how come you have a problem with it.}
No problem with it, just saying although VAT is paid, its claimed back and adds nothing to his price. You original post was a little misleading, that's all.
Let's not fight : ) {Ed002's Note - If you look to the detailed club accounts the lost interest on VAT paid is included, but not to worry.}
07 Jan 2012 11:39:23
Aren't u lot bored defending the indefensible ? The clubs actions over Suarez has set the benchmark
Why should we be bored of supporting a player?. i said it before and i say it again, we are not supporting a racist and that is final. Also there is no proof of someone saying racist comments to that oldham player. Also the stadium was sold out so how can that player have heard exactly what the guy said?.
What defending someone who they believe innocent.
the thing they did wrong was not to take it further .
soul man
We'll back saurez all the way when people are trying to make him out to be a racist when all he has done is said something that is ok in his country. I think he would have been better off just saying he said nothing, the fact that he was honest in what he said proves that he didn't think he has done any wrong.
I'm sure other clubs would back there players like united backed cantona when he tried to take a fans face off.
The club supporting suarez was good to see imo.....they believe hes innocent and a campaign is against him and ourselves...so why shouldnt they defend their player YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE has a meaning that only lfc and true fans know
Have you never heard the phrase "you'll never walk alone"?
Let me guess, you're a man utd or chelsea fan who has no concept that REAL fans back their players when the odds are stacked against them. Especially when the whole case against Luis has been a complete whitewash (sorry, couldn't resist) from the very beginning.
The Crowman
Read the f*****g report instead of believing KKs tripe - blind, dumb r stupid ? R a combo ? Grow up and form you're own untainted opinions
07 Jan 2012 11:38:43
Hi Ed's, will we sign anybody this January and if so are they likely to sign before the 11th?
Cheers,
LG. {Ed002's Note - Probably and I have no idea when any transfers will be completed.}
07 Jan 2012 11:31:25
Eds do you think there is now a possibility we will be thrown out of the F.A cup due to this latest alleged racist incident?
Kris the Red {Ed002's Note - I really don't know anything of the matter. I fear for what will happen over the next few months - particularly if and when Suarez returns. It will be interesting to see what the owners are going to be about the issues.}
I know nothing of what happened last night. But I fear of what you're saying ed, and I think you're right. I think we can expect a lot more of what the Oldham fans were chanting last night, and who knows what that incite ?
I think Suarez has become a very hot potato. Sadly.
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - I agree. Rightly or wrongly Suarez will likely become the catalyst to disorder.}
You cannot say that the owners are going to force our best player out, surely he deserves a 2nd chance? Everyone does...
LG.
The ONLY reason Suarez could find himself forced out is if him being here has a detrimental effect on the clubs sponsors.
Wavertree Red
Not necessarily LG. But the whole issue could attract troublemakers, outsiders with causes to push, or just incite ill-feeling / trouble between fans.
I wasn't at the game last night, but what the Oldham fans were supposed to be chanting might become a regular problem.
The Real KB
Btw, I meant that Suarez won't necessarily be sold. But he does deserve a second chance. It's just if his presence causes lots of problems, it may make the club think twice about his future at Liverpool.
The Real KB
07 Jan 2012 11:25:13
Liverpool will draw Fleetwood in the next round
Marc
Marc the psychic octopus!
Will it be Home or Away? :D
PITSILFC
Fleetwood Marc. I remember you. You had a string of hits in 1970s.
John CT
It will be Away
No manc utd away if they get through.cosve current issue!!
07 Jan 2012 11:18:04
I can't believe the furore surrounding this. Unless something racist was said I don't really see the problem here. Remember the Fulham game when Suarez flipped of the Fulham fans after they gave him sh!t all game? This is just the same as that except this lad cried instead of giving the finger.
Rightly or wrongly fans give away players stick, that has and always will happen. If this is enough to bring a man to tears, maybe he is in the wrong profession.
davethebutcher
07 Jan 2012 11:17:14
Ed I may be jumping the gun but I am really upset by last night and if there was racial abuse then I would say....
Many of our fans were quick to jump to Suarez defence and visibly and vocally display their support. I hope the same supporters can now collectively show their disgust at that section of the crowd who would destroy our clubs reputation. If some were these Suarez t shirts more should wear anti racist tshirts. For someone to go to a match on the same week as the Lawerance trial and decide its ok to shout racist abuse is disgusting.
What is the IQ of these thugs, I mean do racist people not take a long hard look at themselves and realise they are the inferior stupid people of this society.
Dont Buy The Sun
There was no racial abuse. Terrible reporting of lies, yes. But no racial abuse (unless calling someone from Norwich who plays for Oldham a Manc counts).
"racists people" the problem is that many racist people don't know or accept that they are indeed that. You can openly abuse Mexicans, South American's, Irish, (& you may be a terriorts if you're from anywhere near Pakistan) in The UK with impunity. Only one certain section of society has cornered the right to be offended by everything for themselves.
The allegations are very serious, if the lad was indeed called a 'manc b**tard' then i don't blame him for being so upset. Id be the same!---liverpool till i die
07 Jan 2012 11:12:51
Could we get kicked out of competitions for this absolute disgrace that happened at the end of the match
If so we need serious action to be taken as I don't want to belong to something like this
Let's get one thing straight.I was at the match last night and I didn't racially abuse anyone.I would never condone any sort of behaviour,but parts of the press would be lapping this up.The majority of six thousand Oldham fans where chanting about Suarez last night, even though the FA And Evra stated that they didnt think he was a racist.The mindless yob or yobs who have abused Tom are scum of the earth, and are giving some of the press and some of the FA the ammunition to try and bring this club down.I know most liverpool fans will be disgusted by any racist abuse towards anyone.We might be chanting Suarez name, but we believe he is not a Racist. So chanting his name, when the opposing fans are singing One Racist B****** doesnt make me a racist.Kick any prejudiced behaviour out of football, especially racism should be adhered by everyone.The press needs to be responsible here and not turn it into a war on Liverpool football club and there fans.
Micheal Mouse
07 Jan 2012 11:07:14
Just a thought, and I am interested to know peoples opinion on it. I didn't see the game last night, but did watch the highlights including the Tom Adeyemi "incident." I cannot help but think the Liverpool fans there that night did not help themselves by singing the "Luis Suarez" song whilst the incident was going on. I can't really describe why, but it feels a bit strange to have an incident with a mixed-race player involving the crowd and then immediately sing songs about Luis Suarez.
What does everyone think?
Ash
Ash it was crass disgusting and beyond contempt! I have campaigned for years for justice for the 96, I love our fan base but we seem to quick to hide our own flaws while jumping on others. I feel idiots in our support have been emboldened by the clubs ill advised handling of the Suarez affair and now the POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD BRIGADE have come out of the woodwork, with all their "im not a racist but...." crap. We must hold ourselves to account before anyone. If have recieved sectarian abuse by a stall holder outside Anfield a couple of years back so I want to see the club redouble its efforts to combat racist supporters. I dont want this great club to earn a reputation like Chelsea, Millwall or Lazio.
The club seems in really bad place at the minute and there seems a lack of decisive leadership on these issues.
Dont Buy The Sun
Totally agree mate, it's the fact that we've shown our support to Luis for wrongly being accused as being a racist, and then they sing that song whilst the whole situation was going on as if to say that racism is now fine?
I'm sure most the people in the KOP were just on a high at the time and acted without really knowing what a fuss this would cause for the club.
Cheers
Squeky
I think you're right DBTS. I think some people have mis-interpreted the Suarez T-shirts to mean "we love Suarez even if he is racist" rather than "we love Suarez because we don't believe he is racist."
Ash
I was at the game, which by the sounds of it a lot of you lot weren't, and I can tell you that the Suarez song was being sung loud BEFORE, during and after the alleged incident which a lot of you are just accepting as being racist.
It happened at a time when the Oldham fans were singing about m**chester, our fans were singing loudly, why is it so unbelievable to you lot that the player in question didn't miss hear someone in the crowd say "manc b*stard"?
Jack the groove
So tell me squeky what's wrong with singing the suarez song now ... when it wasn't wrong 4 months ago. ps suarez was at the game last night and people start singing cos they love him that's it
Knowbody knows exactly what was said yet people are already on here slagging of the supporters, if the small pocket of people around the incident are not sure what was said how can you expect a noisey kop to know?? I would imagine they started singing the Suarez song because of a stopage in the game giving them time to focus on Suarez and show him there support! I support Suarez 1000% as I have seen ZERO evidence to support Evra's claims and I make ZERO apology for it!!!
Waro
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with singing about Suarez, all I'm saying is firstly you were singing the Luis song on and off before the incident and that's fantastic, but you weren't singing when the incident started and there was no way the people on the opposite side at the top who started the song actually new what was actually said. Without a doubt you didn't help the situation for the young lad and you could tell how upset he was by what he thought he heard.
And secondly to the other guy who said something about everyone thinks you was singing to support racism, no the timing just wasnt great and it just it doesn't really portray the club and the rest of the fans well, does it?
Squeky
All these expert posters who dont go,dont know what happens in context of songs being sung p s me off.Maybe we could have a page for those who attend matches,and those who didnt
07 Jan 2012 11:01:20
Well here is a message for Tom Adeyemi and his family from a Liverpool supporter of many years. I can't speak on behalf all Liverpool fans, or football fans in general, but I think I am representative of the majority.
If Tom has been upset by any abuse suffered by mindless so called 'Liverpool supporters' we are sincerely sorry that this has happened. I hope that he can still look back at his experience at Anfield and, in time, remember it as a positive one. I hope he will remember that the abuse came from the actions of 2 or 3 whilst 40,000+ in the stadium where there to enjoy the FA cup match. I feel for the kid, he was obviously shaken and good on our Captain, Steven Gerrard, going over and offering the support of Liverpool FC to the lad! I feel that this action by Mr Gerrard is a true representation of Liverpool FC and it's fans.
Racial abuse, and indeed any directed personal abuse, towards fans and players needs to be reviewed at ALL football clubs in my opinion.
Bless ya Tom and I hope you enjoy a fantastic football career!
Mark Jones (Liverpool Fan)
Well said tom...total support for the lad...hes a good kid and should ignore it
tel1949
07 Jan 2012 10:50:04
U lot should be ashamed of ur welds the way u treated that Oldham player total shocking
2 fans should be ashamed. you cannot claim that the entirety of liverpool are in the wrong...
What did we do?
Martin
Get your facts right lad ( YOU LOT ) it was a couple of lads and the fact is YOU LOT of oldham fans should be ashamed singing ' RACIST TOWN '
I think it's about time to talk of black racism in England
Really mate? really?, you actually want to label milllions of LFC fans as racist because of 2 idiots?
You do realise it's people like you that bring different stereotypes into use, because it's the labelling of one group of people because of a bad few that sparks alot of unjustified hatred in the world... that's right, things like you've just said.
I agree. It was disgraceful. It's beneath contempt to refer to someone as a Manc. I cannot thing of anything more insulting to say to someone. No wonder the lad was in tears.
07 Jan 2012 10:49:50
I'd just like to ask Goatherder what's the latest news from his dog? Specifically does he have any views on Podolski or Kawaga and did he witness Torres arriving or leaving at Melwood.
cheers mate
Brian
YNWA
No news I'm afraid Brian. All that going nuts the other day turned out to be a thorn in his foot! Sat here now quiet as anything.
I'll let you know mate next time he goes Banzai!
The Goatherder
JFT96
07 Jan 2012 10:41:33
Hi ed's just wondering are liverpool more likely to sign a midfielder than forward? {Ed002's Note - We cannot say what is more likely here.}
07 Jan 2012 10:27:47
why did Kenny play kuyt?. i said it before and i say it again, he is finished. sell the guy and sell Aurelio and others who are not going to be part of Liverpool's team for the future. i think we should have given doni a chance to start and give Pepe Reina a rest. shelvey should have stayed in blackpool as he doesn't do anything. we may have won 5-1 but this is oldham (no disrespect). we still ain't going to beat man city with the team that we currently have. Also i cant be arsed to talk about the race issue that apparently happened yesterday because it is the same old story.
Shelvey only scored a goal and basically made bellamy score the first one, I think he was quite instrumental in our win, he's a really good, young football player!!
HK
Could be his last game ;)
k-h
07 Jan 2012 10:27:32
Shame to see our name being dragged through the mud yet again, the dumbing down of Britain continues.
Anyway I'm surprised we wouldn't consider buying Demba Ba for £10m - seems an absolute bargain to me, though I appreciate his medical history isn't fantastic.
Hessle Red
The dumbing down of all western countries continues at rapid pace its not just Britain, that's the plan of the elites.
His knee are made of paper. No one would spend 10 mill on hardgreves, why ba?
Realistic red
Wow wow wow wow wowww! dumbing down of britain??, surely you mean the entire world don't you??
07 Jan 2012 10:13:42
I know i might get hammered for saying this but i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one thinking it,now i wasn't at the game last night but i've seen enough on sky sports and in the red tops to know that there all loving this latest 'incident' and i've also read enough comments on these pages from people who allege to have been at the game and there all contradicting what the media are saying which doesn't surprise me as we all know they (the media) make up half there stories but always quote an eye witness,anyway my point is and it's something that ian wright (ex arsenal) pointed out a couple of weeks ago and that the problem we could now have with the outcome of suarez/evragate is that you may well start having black players claiming they were racially abused by a player,fan anyone really but with no actual evidence(a bit like evra) and i'm just wondering if the young oldham fullback is going to be the first of many,in his case maybe he does genuinley feel he was racially abused and misheard the 'comments' from the crowd but to start crying just seems as if he's milking it a bit,i mean,come on every single one of us has been called some kind of name in the past,for all we know he could be a liverpool hating manc or he could be a nice quiet boy like how dickov described him,will we ever really know,what i do know is that the media frenzy against our club doesn't look like waning anytime soon so in times like this we must stick together,players,management,owners and fans. YNWA
paul d
I'm not even a Liverpool or Oldham fan, was just on hear to find out what happened and I have just one thing to say, you are an t*t
Would you like to expand on that you nameless/spineless gobs**te.
paul d
I can see where you are coming from Paul but your logic is a little faulty.
Yes we have all been called names in the past, some hurt, some dont. Personally I can ignore absolutely anything that anyone says about me. Remeber this though the names that you and I have been called where not used to oppress a race of people for hundreds of years so they sting a bit more than being called a bell end.
Rewflo
07 Jan 2012 10:22:41
Love the site Eds.
I agree a striker and a DM is vital. But I also think spending lots of $$$$ is unwise.
While I'd love Jovetic, Soldado, Rossi, Torres etc. we would be looking at spending huge $$$$.
Sell Kuyt back home (Feyenoord) or to Serie A and if Johnson wants to go let him.
Strikers
Nilmar (Villareal)
Mandzukic (Wolfsburg)
Defensive midfielders
Carmona (Atalanta)
Veloso (Genoa)
Veloso wouldn't be cheap!
PITSILFC
07 Jan 2012 10:07:20
Looking for some advice, I want to bring to the attention of the media and maybe drum up a bit of support that people from Liverpool (well quite a few people I know,myself included) will no longer except jokes chants and any referances to us stealing peoples wheels stealing from houses etc etc etc that seem to be the norm from anybody outside of the city. I find these so called jokes offensive and would like to make it known in the public domain that we know longer want to hear this from ill educated people who make these referances from 1970's sterotypes! Any ideas how i can go about this! p.s. if the storys from last night are true i hope the idiots involved are banned for life!
Waro
Education is the only way to overcome racism.
Most people don't even understand the word racist and its hard to define, if people really think about it!
What you may interpret as racism may be found in another culture and be considered acceptable whether it should be acceptable or not is another matter.
Racism is an emotive issue and some people understandably can be more sensitive to it than others.
Racism is only when whites insult blacks?
I am white I have endured racism from other whites, what does that do with your theory!
Racism as defined by mirriam-webster.com is as follows.
Definition of RACISM
1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
There are many offensive things in life and like many others I also find the disgusting references to all scousers being thieving to be offensive. I do not ever use offensive terminology when speaking to anyone (including Man Utd fans as demonstrated on the occasions I have frequented their page). I believe that it is the Liverpool way to be respectful of other people at all times. I only wish others would do the same.
Rewflo
07 Jan 2012 09:59:18
Merseyside police have issued a statement that they have interviewed people who were close to the incident last night, apparently including steward, members of the public and the BBC news team as well.
They have officially confirmed that no-one was arrested or is being charged with racist crimes.
END OF !
But on a more serious note Ollie Holt the chief sports writer from the Daily Mirror ( who is based in London ) has gone to press saying that racism was occurring and a fan was arrested at last nights game for racism, despite absolutely no evidence....its all starting to sound familiar eh ?
On a legal note: Surely if a reporter uses the power of the media to inflame and stir up both racial and football supporter hatred between fans, then he is committing an offence in this country ? Can the police act against him and his newspaper ?
The newspapers are once again proving that they will do anything to hype up a story including causing racial hatred even when there is none, if it suits them. Someone high up in the government has to take a stand and stop this getting out of hand.
Tel 1949 {Ed002's Note - Action can potentially be taken against the paper.}
Ed002,
in the 'old' days journalists would phone in stories which would, i presume, be cleared at the paper's end by the editor before publishing. But these days, with tweets blah blah, does that still happen ?
Or is a journalists' first thoughts committed to print left to run without clearance ?
And, if so, I presume the paper can be liable for aforesaid journalists' actions ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - Everything is submitted electronically now - text and photographs. The hard copy paper press is disappearing and already you will see items appearing on the paper's web site long before it appears in a hard copy form but everything will be checked by a sub editor to ensure that the grammar is good and that it is "factually correct" to limit any liability the paper may have. Exceptions to this are some of the press agencies and cases where time is critical to put the story out. If something is factually incorrect in the reporting, the paper is responsible and can be sued - typically for libel. Cases can, and do, end up in civil court.}
07 Jan 2012 09:56:06
I would like to put some facts to everyone regarding Tom Adeyemi. Firstly, don't hit the disagree button as these are facts. I do not know what went on last night as I was not at the match but I know Tom's father Elijah as I have done business with him. Tom's father and Tom have always been Liverpool supporters and this would have been a dream for him to play at Anfield especially with Stevie G playing.Now I don't know what went on but ,Tom is of mixed race ( his father is Nigerian and a gentleman) and would have been well aware of racist issues but if like his father you would find him to be non-confrontational and would not look for trouble.
So,where do we go from here ? We need to get to the bottom of this soon whether it be racist or not.
I was just dismayed at Lfc is being dragged through the mud again by the beloved media.
REDBOY
07 Jan 2012 09:41:30
Wheres the other links gone to the other sites guys?
Is is just me or are they gone? {Ed002's Note - It'll be back later.}
The illuminati removed them
Ok ed, thanks.
Where is ed009?! {Ed002's Note - Metaphysically, we are all concerned about where he truly is.}
07 Jan 2012 09:34:21
Liverpool fans need to screw their heads on, if someone did racially abuse the player last night then anyone who heard it should report it immediately. If as someone did say manc B****** then how person is that at the present moment, any abuse especially against black players should be stopped and anyone caught should be thrown from the ground by our own supporters.
We as supporters should be fully behind supporting the team and not putting ourselves in the limelight.
Liverpool are beginning to get a reputation that could destroy the club, be sensible and support the club the correct way and report any numpties who do not.
So u mean u can only insult white players from now on
No i think he means not insulting any players just support our own
07 Jan 2012 09:26:29
So Liverpool fans will make excuses for racist chanting... the same as making excuses for your racist player? Oh but wait the fans were chanting in Spanish so its ok. Lets see what happens and review all the evidence and then you can moan that the FA and Police had someone that once stood a few feet away from Fergie therefore they are all clearly a Liverpool haters. So the player was upset about Liverpool fans singing Suarezs song? I don't think so. Clearly there was more going on than that. Also the Liverpool fan who keeps posting about people with ginger hair etc that is not racist abuse mate, what went on last night was... If it turns out that there was abuse then I hope they dock points from you “ even if it was a prem game. A fine would be a joke unless it is in the millions, and before you all go nuts when did you last hear about fans chanting racist abuse in the prem? I suppose the Oldam player, being from near Manchester is a hater. Blind faith in your team is one thing, but defending racism is another. You should have all reserved your judgment and posts before leaping to the defence of your so called fans.
T.A.
Defending racism? Get real. Read the posts on here, nobody is supporting what 'allegedly' happened last night. Also, they're wasn't racist chanting, it was a small number of people who apparently said something toward Adeyemi. 40,000+ in a stadium, there's gonna be the odd scum who shout abuse, racial or someother form. Also, 'when did you last hear about fans chanting racist abuse', Do you not think it happens all over the country? Granted it hasn't been in the media much lately, but why are there still campaigns aimed to kick it out? Wake up, im sure some of your clubs supporters aren't all 'politically correct' and embrace racial harmony. Idiot.
So the incident has now been upgraded from abuse from a fan to racist chanting.Alert the press!!
So I am assuming T.A. Stands for Toon Army?
Didn't you have a player called Emre who was charged with using Racially aggravated abuse and insulting words to Obafemi Martins? And was also accused by El Hadji Diouf of making racist remarks?
The fact is no-one knows what those idiotic fans said.
JRG
Someone is being an idiot.
Don't you realize that even the FA report and Evra himself said Suarez is NOT a racist?
And in NO way can this be an accusation against the club. We fans are understandably livid at the treatment we have received from the media and the FA, and some of the fans are a little out of control, but in no way racist.
It's people like you who are talking through their hats.
PITSILFC
He must have really good hearing if it was just one fan... row zz was he? Clown. The fact is that very few Liverpool fans have come out to say that they think the fans involved if proved guilty should be banned its always on the defensive. Same with Suarez all of you were defending him, no one actually said racisim is racism regardless of the lanuage used. Again it seems a player from another team is telling lies? And so many people on here today were at the game last night and heard nothing and saw nothing, the same thing happens when something gets lifted from someones house in bootle, the people that were there heard and saw nothing.
Some one posted the words along the line of 'theres gonna be the odd scum that shouts abuse or racial something? does that scum your reffering to include a liverpool player?
@T.A. & others
1st Point- Suarez is not a Racist player- even the FA in there report said that I believe, in an inquiry system which in on par with courts in dictatorship's(look at the prosecution figures)
2nd point- One of the men on that panel was the man who saved Fergie's job, if I remember right? ED's? (hardly an unbiased personality- I would never go on a panel or referee a Liverpool game due to the fact of unintentional bias)
And you are tarring all fans with the same brush and putting your foot in before the full facts are known, so maybe hold your judgement till facts are out there, I for one (and many others) think that the fan/fans in question should be expelled if the allegation is found to be true, in which you claim all LFC fans to be defending racism which is highly untrue, also remember even Team has fans who are ignorant and overall horrible people in some ways.
Also please stop reading the garbage most paper's and websites print nowadays as it seems the printing half truths and fiction in newspapers, is adequate in the majority of them
Ska-oop
'Some one posted the words along the line of 'theres gonna be the odd spam that shouts abuse or racial something? does that spam your reffering to include a liverpool player?'
Oh someones clever. Might well be, word vs word. Suarez thinks he innocent, Evra felt otherwise. Only they know what was truly said and in what manner.
07 Jan 2012 09:18:23
Have any of the Eds got any info on the incident that happened during last nights game that the police are investagating? Apparently one of the Oldam players was verbally abused by someone in the crowd
Cheers
Flintshire Red
I was watching the game on big screen HD via the Irish Setanta feed. Throughut the match Liverpool fans were chanting Luis Suarez and Oldham fnas were chanting Theres Only One Man Utd and Racist Town. Around the 80th minut Oldham won a throw deep inside the Liverpool half down near the corner flag. In that area were three lads wearing Suarez T shirts and Joker hats and one of them was also wearing a Luis Surez scarf. One of them said something to Ademeyi and he turned and said something back and then appeared to burst into tears and was lead away by Kuyt and Gerrard and a couple of their players. According to Setanta, a reporter in the players tunnel immediately after the match heard the fourth official tell a Police Officer that the phrase f*****g Manc b*****d was used by one of the three. And that, until Merseyside Police release their investigation, is about as accurate as you will get. RED LENIN
I would start crying if someone called me a Manc B******d too!
07 Jan 2012 09:16:05
Paranoid
Player is visibly upset, the press report it, and you all blame the media..
Blame lies with the person who said it..
Do you not think everyone is waiting to see us make a mistake!
LFC have handled the whole case as a PR disaster.., should have been nothing said until report, once received apologies but there was no intention to offend, and won't say that word again.., and it all would have gone away.
Then KK does the club no favors by not comment last night.., his job has changed since last he was manager, he has to engage the press, again just say, we will of course look into this and deal appropriately with any abuser..
Need to improve our PR sort it out LFC
Pistol Pete
Kenny doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to. "His job has changed?" - I don't think so! Watch Ferguson's press conference yesterday. He was asked about Rooney and refused to answer the reporter. But I suppose its ok for Ferguson to do whatever he wants in your eyes!
He does when we are getting hammered rightly or wrongly, it's time to try and make friends..press like or loath have a job to do, if you don't comment then they will comment for you..
Pistol Pete
07 Jan 2012 09:06:40
Morning all,
I got in late last night and missed seeing any of the match, so I was catching up on things. I couldn't believe what I was reading.
And, looking this morning, it seems like this some journos may have jumped the gun.
But, regardless of that, what's happened to The Daily Mirror ?
Back when I was a kid, this paper was the working man's alternative to The S*n.
I think the paper was based in the North West (Manchester ?), and their football coverage - particularly of Liverpool - was usually spot on.
And, as well as that, their political leanings leaned toward Labour. It was almost the working-man's Guardian, in a way. So this paper was a daily fixture in our house then.
So what's happened to it lately ? That "Racist" headline that led to it being banned from Anfield was just stupid. Is it a case that with the declining popularity of the traditional newspaper, they have to resort to sensationalist, talkshow-like headlines to get by these days ?
I took some time to read their website, and that David Maddock's 'The Liverpool Column'.
What an absolute load of rubbish. He should be called Haddock, not Maddock, cos his stuff stinks.
Now this is The Daily Mirror that is part of The Trinity Group, with The Echo. You can see, from their shared histories, the links between the two newspapers and their readership. Journalists from The Echo have gone on to work for The Mirror, most notably Brian Reade I think (who still works for them by the way). In fact, Reade & The Mirror were brilliant for Liverpool over the Hillsborough thing, Souness' ill-fated reign and the two Texans.
So what's happened lately ?
To me eds, and posters, the two parties (LFC & The Mirror) need to get this sorted out. I can understand why they were banned, and their current stuff on Suarez is crap too, but I wonder whether LFC are not cutting off what was once a traditional ally in the London-dominated press ?
And is it something that we can afford to do ?
To be honest, the more this "race" thing is dragging out, the more shrapnel is flying. I'm not talking about last night but I do feel it's time the club started building bridges and not burning them.
I wonder what everyone else thinks ?
The Real KB
Well written, but did the Mirror really jump the gun? He was found guilty and admitted it too.. sounds like they got it spot on to me! where as anything written in the Sun is lies and filth- like talksport radio, has been produced by the Devil himself - wheich makes sence as the mancs logo is a devil!
Yes they jumped the gun. They called our player a racist when in fact the case had zilch to do with whether or not Suarez was racist and then ridiculed our defence in a cheap-shot sarcy headline. Shouldn't come as a surprise, though, it's also been a very bigoted and xenophobic paper.
Martin
@Martin,
do you think it is a xenophobic paper ? I wouldn't say that. As I said, it was and still is more Left-leaning in it's political outlook. My point is that it was, and maybe should still be, a traditional ally to LFC..?
The Real KB
07 Jan 2012 08:14:02
Liverpool will be signing 3 players in January - No 'massive' marque signing, but I understand they are as follows:
Dempsey - Fulham - £12m
Defoe - Spurs - £5m
Johnson - Man City - Loan - Option to buy
Defoe and Dempsey are nowhere near good enough for Liverpool.
Steve
Wish list then?
Johnson yes, Defoe and Dempsey definately not!
I would get:
Ba from Newcastle, good scoring record, able to nip in behind defences.
Jordan Rhodes from Huddersfield, he is in amazing form, always worth a try.
And possibly a new goalkeeper, I just can't understand how Reina has been letting in some of these goals recently, and I think it is time we get someone who can be a bit more consistent.
Also, why are we not playing Coates in defence? We paid £12M for him, and he is obviously a talent!
12M for coates?
About half that would be more accurate.
Coates aint ready if you went yould know
07 Jan 2012 08:13:05
Adeyemi's tears?? Let's just wait and see what the police report is, and how the FA handles this. You can never tell with the FA anymore. Bellamy gets yelled at, pulled, and cursed out when he's taking corner kicks and life goes on, but with the Suarez case, things have obviously taken a different spin. I'll never support discrimination of any shape or form, and if the Spion Kop is guilty, then whatever punishment served is deserved, but this is definitely going to cascade beyond imagination if the FA continues to treat people and/or cases preferentially. It just seems as if, no matter what happens, LFC is always going to be wrong. This may have a long-term implication for Liverpool, not just as a club, but as a brand. You can already sense a few media romantics trying to do the "Tiger Woods" on Liverpool's brand and reputation already. Maybe LFC should reproduce and market some of Balotelli's t-shirt now: "why always me?"!!
I may be paranoid but have the FA got it in for us. Dubious refereeing decisions. Richardson not getting sent off on the opening day; Spearing's great tackle at Fulham; countless other decisions; Suarez's excessive ban. Then nothing done about Colocinni & Cabaye against us; nothing done to the Everton fans throwing bottles at Suarez, Bellamy & Carroll. The FA treating Evra as a saint. It goes on.
Dempsey on bellers aswell then joey barton got red for a similar thing
It would help if you 'SIGNED' your posts and then we could relate to your questions .
Qwerty
07 Jan 2012 07:48:54
For those of us who watched the game yesterday, what were your thoughts on Kuyt? In all honestly, hes been one of my favorite players over the years, never stops working, has a burning passion for the club...but I didn't recognize him, at all, yesterday. He should've scored at least 3 goals during the course of the game, I think he's lost his touch, or something. It hurts me to see him play as bad as he did yesterday.
Thoughts on Kuyt?
RenegadeRed
He's finished, and he quickly becoming a liability as the build up to Aguero's goal proved Tuesday night.
Corkpoolred
I'm also a fan of kuyt but he looks predictable he can't see an easy pass he's slower witch is strange cus he's slow anyway! It just seems like he's lost ability drastically! Poor kuyt
Square tomato
I still admire his will to get in on any free ball and keep himself available.
That aguero goal wasn't Kuyt as much as it was a lack of anyone to pass to.
I think he's the type of player who's always been a regular starter... his important goals, energetic running and hard work always justified that. Unfortunately we need more than that. We can't give him a regular start up front, like him or not we have to put our faith in AC at the moment, and I'm not sure he adds anything to the right. I hope he can have an important part to play this season as I believe it will be his last with us although I think he can still offer some team a lot.
Richards
07 Jan 2012 05:08:25
Before I start I'm not racist in any shape or form but what is starting to Anoy be is that even if a racist comment was made to that person in the crowd which I believe was not , should it really bring a grown man to nearly tears. I could get called any name under the sun and it really wouldnt bother me , what's the old saying 'sticks and stones ' and I'm sure it's the same for most black people but I feel that some people just want to make a deal about it when really there not that bothered by the comment. We're no longer in the era where there is a racist culture and the slave trade and black/Asian people need to stop making a big deal about the odd comment in the same way if a white person was called honky boy or white we wouldnt take offence.
What? This is clearly the Blatter mentality! No wonder your fans are being accused of being racists with comments like this... Black players should be ok with being abused racially from a section in the crowd. OK THEN. Barnes would be proud! No doubt though the Liverpool United FC fans will blindly agree with you.
Have you ever noticed that when someone says I am not racist... they always go on to say something racist? I am not against Liverpool fans, but they are all thieves and scallys and all on the dole and united in poverty. But as grown men it should be water off a ducks back then?
It's a sensitive issue mate, they (black folk) are entitled to be upset a little if it's said in a nasty way to them surely!
Sounds like you're fuelling the racist bullies. No one anywhere should accept being racially abused. Your idea of taking it like a man is appalling. Let's stamp it out. Investigate thoroughly, consider the evidence and take measured action that will stop the problem. No excuses. Liverpool, you need to do something now before this spirals out of control-results overturned, banned, games behind closed doors, points deducted etc
And before the silly comments are posted, yes I am a lifelong Liverpool supporter.
I agree that racist comments should not be tolerated and if this person has said something of this kind should be banned from the ground for life but I just feel that sometimes you have to ignore these people who make these comments and not give them any sort of publicity.
From what I'm hearing the person said manc **** which could have been miss heard so we really need to get the facts first
07 Jan 2012 04:48:03
I don't why people are saying this (racism subject) is bad for the club and blah blah blah. Could some one explain it to me? I don't care about the opinions of the idiots who jump in the media bandwagon without knowing the truth.
Its the same with some of the fans from other clubs. Do you seriously think they have any positive views about Liverpool? Outside they talk about how much Liverpool have gone down, supported a "racist," their fans are disgrace, etc. But they probably want this kind of thing happening at the club. Just look what happened today. Without knowing any facts media have said the player was "racially" abused. Would they have said the same thing if it was someone of a different race? Why isn't it a big deal or any different when some players and managers (like Wenger at OT) are abused (not racially)?
Haters are always gonna hate no matter what. Sensible people who support Liverpool will always be there. We just have to look at the facts and stick together. Who cares about the others?
Tekneek
Just like Millwall, no one likes us but we dont care. A great team to be compared with. IDIOT
Unfortunately public perception is everything...Image is everything...This is getting out of hand already and the media love nothing more than making mountains out of mole hills. IF the fan did shout something racist then he should be banned for life and the club should make an example out of them...no brainer but however on this occasion the club should not get defensive and paranoid that everyone is out to get us. Any sensible person knows that it's always a small minority that ruin it for the majority and the media loves a minority to get a good story. This will run and run and the club needs to manage this situation properly without hysteria... Once again the club finds itself in sh*t storm that has nothing to do with football... SAD really sad... YNWA Tobiwan
07 Jan 2012 03:53:11
Can someone explain to me how chanting Suarez's song whilst Adeyemi is getting wound up and crying is neccessery? How is that not racist? They were clearly doing it because of Suarez's recent background. Disgusting. Every single one of those fans.
I think it was in reply to Oldham fans singing "town full of racists." It wasn't anything to do with the poor kid getting upset. At least I hope not.
Wow what a way to bring are teams name down well done you idiots the city of liverpool hate what you have done
And how is singing the suarez song racist?
SO Manc b*****d is racist ..just ban fans from singing or better still play football behind closed doors see how long tv stays with football...red4ever,,
The mancs are a weird race though...
Myk
The crowd was singing the Suarez song before the situation arose.
07 Jan 2012 03:38:52
Victor Moses
Matt Jarvis
Gary Hooper
Are we interested in any? Are any likely to join?
God I hope not!
Steve
07 Jan 2012 03:09:16
Not really a rumour but with the policy we seem to be following of the ''young british players'' dont see why would dont put up a serious offer for Adam Johnson unsettled at City would walk straight into are team play week in week out think hes the sort of player were missing!
07 Jan 2012 02:24:47
However, Merseyside Police confirmed that no arrests has been made for "racially aggravated behaviour".
Would all journalists please be so kind as to read the above before they kangaroo court all LFC supporters as card carrying KKK members in tomorrow's papers. If they're going to do it, which they inevitably will, at least let them get the facts right first. Oh wait, they've already rushed to push the print button.
07 Jan 2012 01:21:01
Eds, any idea if demba ba will be transferring during summer? is so liverpool should def consider him as a summer target. {Ed001's Note - no idea, it isn't even the end of January yet and you are already asking about summer transfers!}
07 Jan 2012 01:45:03
Something a bit different .. The King is getting his portrait painted by the guy who just did The Queen's portrait .. how appropriate! For Marina's charity I think. First sitting last Monday - heard he is reasonably happy with first half of season, feels with a bit of luck we would have scored a few more goals and been in 4th. He wouldn't say anything about shopping at the January sales. I'll let you know if I find anything out next time.
Alan Sugra got painted by the same guy as a gift from former Bush owners, but he acted like an ass about the whole thing. He still owns the painting
07 Jan 2012 01:29:38
Demba ba has 10 mil
Release clause in his contract that knee
Injury he had though was very serious and now plays with a pin said to be 25cm must mean mm in his knee
But he drinks alot of Strawberry syrup, It has magical health benefits.
Sounds like an idea.
I saw that interview and what he actually meant was "sirop" which is the french word for cordial ie add water... not that weird really. What a funny guy though. Tobiwan
07 Jan 2012 01:27:43
in all my years of goin to anfield i have never once thought there is a race divide and never heard racial abuse,i am so upset about reading sky sports and bbc news! i realy am. from the days of john barnes, thomas, walters, babb, heskey,sissoko,babel... all i can say is jump on the bandwagon boys..... you will never destroy our spirit. ynwa red men
a very upset harry h
harry h
Not pleasant at all is it Harry.
I am a South African red, popped down to the local pub to watch the game. My Liverpool shirt actually drew comments of "racist and racist club", very uncomfortable about it all, so I left at half time.
Never in my 35 years as a Reds fan have I felt embarassed about being a LFC fan, and certainly will not be wearing my shirt in public for a while.
South Africa is a country with many "racial wounds, issues, and tensions", and I do not want to be labelled something I am not!. The whole "racism issue" is still very much in the news, media, forums and message boards. As a fan, if asked I will give my opinion, but otherwise I rather keep my mouth shut.
Food for thought.
Dont let mindless idiots stop u wearing ur top and following a team u love, ask them and educate them 2 why they think it
07 Jan 2012 01:17:58
I just read a posting from a guy on you tube, and he sounded 100% genuine. He claims he was sat next to the fella who shouted it out, he defo shouted F-ing Manc B******. He is also supposed to be totally gutted that that's not what the player heard him say - really gutted. All the people around him leapt to his defence, including people of other ethnicities. He was not arrested. It does look like , at the best it's a storm in a tea cup, but at worst, mud seems to be sticking. Nick.
But, why would he call adeyemi a manc b******? {Ed001's Note - because he plays for Oldham, and people from Oldham hate being called Mancs.}
Sorry but how can you read something that was said. ive looked on youtube and found nothing, lets hope what you said is true. in my view liverpool should draw a line in the sand and stop going on about Luis Suarez.
Type into you tube 'Liverpool hit by new racism row 2012', and read the comments. A bloke going by the name JCHornerTV says he was sat next to him, heard and saw the whole lot. Personally, I believe him totally, he seems pretty convincing. NO racial words were used, it is totally made up by the press etc, thinking the worst. Apparently though, the Oldham player did think he said something else, which is why he kicked off. Nick.
He's on loan from Norwich isn't he?
07 Jan 2012 01:14:23
I was at the match tonight (albeit in the Paddock near the away fans) and was not aware of any racist chants....there was a few minutes of "confusion" when something was obviously amiss on the pitch but we were too far away to tell. I'd hate to think we'll be universally tarred as a racist Club but I suspect the media will try to milk it for all it's worth....particularily the Mirror.
On a lighter note there were some encouraging performances......Bellamy, Shelvey and Kelly...not to mention cracking goals from Carroll and Downing !
The performance was typical of what you'd expect when playing a Div.1 side backed by 6,500 travelling fans and, at times, we were woeful.
The penalty probably wasn't a pen and some of our passing was pure crap. But we won 5-1 and gave a run-out to Coates, Aurelio, Gerrard, Carragher, Kelly, Maxi, Bellamy, Kuuyt and Flannagan.
Goals from Carroll and Downing will help with confidence.
On the transfer-front, I have been saying for a while that we need a proper DM ....even when Lucas Leiva comes back a proper "Hamman-type" player would be a priority. Spearing is a good-ish squad player and Lucas,Adam, Henderson and Gerrard are not Defensive-Mids.
As far as strikers go, Jordan Rhodes of Huddersfield and Luuk De Jong could be partly funded by the sales of Kuuyt and G.Johnson.
Hate to overly criticise our players but the above two wouldn't be a massive loss.
I used the "search" function the other day to review some of my past posts and had to chortle to myself given how things actually turned out compared to my "predictions".
Whether or not KK decides to take my advice again, I will submit my January wish-list ;
OUT; D.KUUYT, G.JOHNSON
IN; JELAVIC/RHODES, DE JONG, A.JOHNSON and/or HONDA plus a top-notch Defensive Midfielder (Sissokho? M'Vila?)
N.B. Bent and Cahill would be massive mistakes
financially.
I know I'll look back at this post in February and realize how mis-guided I was but, for the moment, I'm sticking to my guns.
ANFIELDPETE (R.I.P. Gary Ablett)
I think we have the "racist club" label already. Sad, but true!.
07 Jan 2012 01:05:23
Another great post by Paul Tomkins today in the Tomkin Times....hope he sends it to all the Tabloids but then again they wouldnt recognise real journalism if they fell over it.
Read the post from Paul Tomkins. A very concise summary of points discussed on this site, newspapers and other media. Some thoughts from sports lawyers too.
I've not said much on the Suarez incident as I've always felt that there was nothing to defend. I've always felt that Luis was going to be misunderstood and misinterpreted by the xenophobic F.A and it's "independent" panel.
As a club, and a fan base, I often wonder where we were when the deals were being made with the men in white gloves. Then, come to think of it Liverpool as a city was once subjected to potential isolation from the country. So perhaps we werent invited.
Judging by what has happened and been said by the media over this incident, it has left me with absolute no doubt.
We still aren't invited.
Racial abuse will not be tolerated by our club, equally Racial profiling, xenophobia, guilty without evidence will never be accepted.
History has a way of repeating itself. Let us not forget how "factual" police, government and the media were during our worst moments.
D-Day (1892)
It's simple, he was screwed but we need to forget it now!!!!!!
07 Jan 2012 01:05:01
Tonights game was quite a strange one. It was very quiet to start with.... Oldham started well... Created a number of chances and maybe should have been two up. We responded well. But should it take a goal to spark us into life?
Ball retention was poor. Fabio gave the ball away three times in a row at start of second half under minimal pressure. Coates needs time to adapt. Carra organises well but legs are going, Bellamy was very good, especially when dropping wide second half. Jonjo gave the ball away but fought to win it back. Gerrard on the ball is different class, off the ball could be a problem as is unable to track back. Jay is honest, but sideways. Major concern is Dirk. Movement was poor, slow, lacking first touch, and missed a few chances. I loved Dirks work rate but I feel that he now needs to be moved on. Shame.
5-1 flattered us, but maybe that is payback for previous.
Dirks Engine Room
07 Jan 2012 00:51:05
Is there any player who Arsenal and Spurs aren't interested in?!
ToonRed
07 Jan 2012 00:46:11
Having watched the game and seen the incident in question, can't help but worry LFC is about to get dragged out of the mud just to be dragged back through it all again.
As said by myself and hunderds of other posters on here numerous times, there is no place for racism in todays society. But is name calling really racism? I bet eveyone of us has or knows of someone called Rusty, and I bet he is Ginger. If we call him by that does it make us racist? Why is it ok for the QPR fans to chant about Suarez's teeth (Joey Barton was pulling faces at him throughout the match). I can't remember everyone calling for the QPR fans to be banned for life. Fans all around the country (us included) sing derogatory chants at the other teams players and fans all the time. I haven't seen it but apparently there is a video clip of Evra that has been released using the n****r word with a few other terms thrown in for good measure. No newspaper or TV interview I have seen has brandished Evra a racist, and thats because he's not. It was probably just some stupid comment he made because it was the first thing that popped into his head.
Anyone who truly holds Racist beliefs that people with white skin are superior in anyway, shape or form to people with black skin is an uneducated, mis-guided person (in my opinion), and I'm sure 99.9% of the population will agree with that. But I struggle to see why it is acceptable to make a comment about someones features (that they are born with) and unacceptable to make a comment about someones skin colour (that they are born with).
Tommy Walsh
I wonder if the players will wear shirts with the two arrested blokes faces on now
Fast becoming the national fronts football club
Pardoe
Soo much depends on the level of intelligence. Some will resort to the lowest possible jibes and insults, others more aloof, scarcely engage in name calling. People may "overstate or understate; the view, it all depends where you meet and engage with them.
Pardoe you come on here to stir sh?t with that comment. So you're no better than anyone from any club that shouts abuse from the terraces to cause ill feeling. Get a life
Jonster
07 Jan 2012 00:43:20
does anybody know if liverpool are interested in Hazard of Lille as i think he is a top young player and would be a great addition to any side. so if any one knows could they please reply, thanks.
Yes we are mate but so is nearly every team in europe. If he were to move to the prem I would hazard (sorry couldn't help my self) a guess and say United or Arsenal would be his destination. However he still remains the most likely to join Real or Barca.
Hope this helps mate
KiwiRed
07 Jan 2012 00:42:52
hasn't taken oliver holt to get on the bandwagon. this is from his blog on the mirror website:
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There is no pleasure in saying this, but Liverpool have begun to reap a little of what they have sown.
New Liverpool racism row: Fan's abuse has Oldham player in tears
When you defend racist language, when you enter into angry denial and summon the full forces of tribalism, this is what you get.
It was only a couple of morons who racially abused Tom Adeyemi at Anfield. A couple of fools among a crowd of more than 44,000.
But the aggression with which Liverpool defended Luis Suarez over the last few weeks spread a paranoia and an anger among their fans that always threatened to lead to something like this.
Maybe now the Liverpool board will realise that their stance on Suarez has empowered people like whoever screamed vile insults at Adeyemi.
Maybe now they will realise it has empowered other so-called Liverpool fans to send messages to a blameless FA executive, saying they hoped his wife is raped.
Maybe now they will realise it has empowered people to shower black footballers and ex-footballers such as Stan Collymore with the most disgusting racist abuse on Twitter.
Maybe they will deny that Adeyemi was abused, too.
Some will no doubt return to conspiracy theories and say a modern-day version of the Salem Witch Trials is breaking out.
Perhaps they will blame collective anti-Liverpool hysteria, ignoring the fact that there is no anti-Liverpool hysteria and that outside Manchester, most people have only respect for such a great club.
The reality is that, thankfully, players such as Adeyemi are not prepared to suffer in silence any more.
They are not prepared to allow abuse like this to be classed as a necessary part of the game.
English football is desperate to put the Luis Suarez Affair behind it, but such is the bitterness and resentment that has grown up around the issue, it may take a lot longer than we think.
These so called journalists are doing the best that they can in preserving their own jobs by making stories up. The newspaper industry is in a sharp decline and journalists days are numbered. Don,t worry about the press, there are good and bad in every walk of life. Let them have their day before we have ours by watching them receive their p45,s. the Mail is shedding jobs at an alarming rate and the others will be following suit. I know because it has already happened to a close relative. Ignore what they say and don,t buy the crap that they write. When there is proof of an offence then take notice. In a short while it will be Oliver who? Oh, that fella on the dole.
Glad this tool is only a writer for a rag and not a high court judge as he makes his mind up about things before he knows the facts...
just glad the police will be investigating this and not the fa!
The same Oliver Holt that tweeted he didn't know if calling someone a "black c**t" was racist?
Holt is a self righteous, pompus tw@t who's part of the cockney press who cant wait to stick the boot in. After the Terry issue has been dealt with by the law and the F.A Holt will be on his soap box calling for Terry to remain England captain. Holt = C@#t.
KNEE JERK
Can you actually point out anything said that is not true
07 Jan 2012 00:40:05
Beauty and the beast, well done media, drag liverpool down, and everton, the city has lost, well done. Youz have all waited for your moment. Well done. This needs to stop now. Stop it! End of. Merseyside, merseyside mersryside. M erseyside merseyside mmmeeeerrseyside !!
07 Jan 2012 00:32:43
Thought we were ok tonight. Flattered hugely by the score line, but a tricky tie negotiated.
Pepe? Best there is out there. Not infallible as he showed last week, but I wouldn't swap him for anyone.
Kelly? Our long term RB. Not his greatest game by any means. For me, close run thing with Johnson - who I like, and seems to get nobbled on here a bit too readily I feel.
Jonjo? A reasonable talent. Tidy, steady, but nowhere close to the player he believes himself to be. If Shelvey becomes the benchmark for central midfield at Liverpool I for one am worried.
Downing? Like the player. End product lacking, but the raw material's there. Would never enter my mind to offload, for the boy will come good, if he's not already.
Andy Carroll? Nothing's changed for me. We all knew he is a handful with a hammer, and took his goal expertly. But he's slow, and you can't survive as a striker if you're slow. I'm talking about speed of thought, having a ball bang under your spell. For me, AC will be persevered with, but he'll never truly cut the mustard. And that's not to undermine or knock for the sake of it, to me it's as clear as the nose on your face
Let's hope Lucas Leiva is a quick healer, and comes back the player he became, because as monumental as they are, stevie, Suarez, anybody, they don't bring to the table what this boy has of late. 3 years ago he was a liability, but now he is the best player in his position in world football bar none - and we ARE MISSING him!
I'd politely disagree with your opinion on Jonjo. He seems like a bright prospect with a good head (albeit a bald one) and a good foot, the kid's got potential and I don't see that it's gotten to his head either.
AC's goal tonight should do him the world of good with regard to his confidence, as we all know what bad confidence can do to a striker, a la Torres. Tidy first time finish.
I found myself agreeing, then disagreeing with everything you say. I respect your opinion, but mine differs in many ways. Jonjo I believe to be a real talent, I wouldn't call him steady, far from it, I would say that he lacks the confidence at the moment to attempt the hollywood passes that Gerrard attempts regularly but that will come with time (which he has on his side). If you have ever watched him for the reserves he was a cut above, his touch, vision and passing range is impeccable and he has two great, albeit different, older heads to learn from in Adam and Gerrard. Downing I believe to be exactly what you say about Jonjo, a steady head on the wing, who would much rather retain possession than attempt to take on a man and whip a ball in. Yes he has a great touch and will give his all, but I still want to see more from our 20million man. I do however believe that he is still one who will prove his worth when his confidence rises.
Than comes Andy .... I will always stick up for the big man. People were baying for blood as soon as we signed him. He had a certain reputation when he arrived and an unattractive style of play everyone though Liverpool would adopt in order to accommodate. He is the ultimate confidence player, once he gets a few under his belt and the 'flop' tag which was attached so thoughtlessly to his head disappears, he will come good. He is a young man with potential and a manager who will back him to the hilt, I pray the fans do the same.
Lucas I couldn't agree more about. What a lovely man he is. He reads the game so well and goes about his job gracefully and is the model professional. I believe if labels of 'world class' are attached to players like Neymar, Wilshere etc. Young players who have achieved, in terms of consistent performances, little in comparison, why not Lucas? I honestly believe Lucas to be THE best defensive mid in the World and on of Liverpool's few world class performers. Most of all he has, through a combination of hard-work and love for the city and the club, endeared himself to me and hopefully all the LFC fans around the world.
Thank you if you have read all my ramblings. Now, back to transfer speculation ... I hear we are in for Torres ;) #joke
Glov3z the Red
Strikers don't necessarily need speed and pace to become good strikers. He won't become a prolific striker but more of a target man who holds up the ball for supporting strikers. I think if we refine his first touch and improve our quality of crosses he could definetly find his place in our squad. The way I see it is he has been brought in and is now a liverpool player, so we might as well support him and help him gain confidence.
KennyD JFT96
07 Jan 2012 00:32:19
Have to say Charlie Adam had a blinder this evening, i would leave him in that position;)
Redire
Uncalled for
07 Jan 2012 00:28:16
just to set the record strait no 1 hurled racist abuse an oldhams number 11 an no one was arrested even the police have said so . some idoit threw a coin at him which isnt nice but dont be jumping on the media bandwaggon with all this racist jibber gabber cos thats not what happened
big red john
Someone on twitter said they were sat right by it and all they heard was someone shouting manc, bs,
07 Jan 2012 00:20:25
Eds, are there any names from Serie A that we're looking at? I'm sure there are a few so I don't expect you to give a full list, but anyone who could in your opinion really make a difference to the current Liverpool set up? {Ed001's Note - I don't follow Italian footie, it bores me to tears, so I don't know who is decent and who isn't.}
07 Jan 2012 00:19:33
Jackson martinez is this happening?would u update on this,btw first timer great sit apart from so much crap rumours from people,
Dk london
07 Jan 2012 00:17:32
Just a quick shout for Jonjo.. I admit I wasn't a fan of his before he went to Blackpool. But he is showing some real sharpness and intelligence since coming home.. Good game tonight!
Myk (chief football scout - sofa fan division)
He's far too slow for me
Why people were saying he is crap etc when only a kid is crazy. They need time
The Dark Knight
Wow thats amazing, He's showing intelligence and sharpness after getting the necessary game time experience in the early stages of his career. think before you write off youngsters.
To the last post above... Who you having a go at there?
Myk
07 Jan 2012 00:00:54
I was at the game sitting just above the lads that said Manc b*****d, nothing racist!
Shottski.
Hope so
07 Jan 2012 00:00:38
Jesus Navas will never leave spain FACT...Cabron
06 Jan 2012 23:59:31
Hi eds just wondering if you or anyone on here knows anything about the incident in todays game with the Oldham player? He looked visibly upset and apperared like something was said in the kop that he took offence from. I read on sporting Lfc and the police are openingly investigating and the police have denied making arrests but just wondering does anyone know or was anyone there?
Sophie {Ed001's Note - everyone I know who was there have all texted me to ask what was going on. So I am none the wiser myself, sorry.}
07 Jan 2012 00:04:36
Those piggin Suarez t-shirts were the worst idea... okay the boys were trying to offer support to a team mate, but to sell them to the general public!! Everyone knows in a crowd 0f 35,000-45,000 you'll have at least 3 numpties!!!!!! Argh!!!
06 Jan 2012 23:56:10
Well done lads! great night all round really. Was always pretty confident we would come back and beat them anyway.well done andy great strike. hopefully now he can start more games and build more confidence to start firing on all cylinders. well done jonjo you will be a liverpool legend one day fantastic young player. And well done downing for getting his first goal and a very good technical goal.that will also do him the world of good. And craig bellamy bargain of the century? superb as usual gives it his all absolutely love him haha.
Danny
06 Jan 2012 23:55:21
If a few Muppets have done what has been alleged, this need not be a negative for Liverpool... we'll act accordingly, find out who they are, expose them and ban them for life. Simple!
06 Jan 2012 23:54:16
Did anyone else at the match tonight here the alleged racist chanting? I was there but up the other end and didn't know what was going on until I heard it on the radio after the game.
For people who didn't see the game, Bellamy was immense as usual, everyone else was a bit lacklustre for most of the game. Coates in particular was awful and carra not much better. Must say though, Flanagan was immense after coming on, he set up the 4th and 5th goals. Andy's goal was a peach, he should have had 2 but missed what looked like a sitter of a head from a downing cross. Downing looked delighted with his first goal
Red Ollie
06 Jan 2012 23:50:24
boys iv just had my first time in the kop tonight an i snook in cos me bros m8 works on the gate had a boss time the only thing that let it down was some bell cheese thinkinhe was hard tellin everyone to sit down... but anyway it was nice to see carroll an downing score.
thanks
big red john
06 Jan 2012 23:45:54
From the daily Mirror:
Liverpool hit by new racism row
Published 22:20 06/01/12 By David Maddock
Liverpool have been thrust into another race hate row, after a fan was arrested on suspicion of racially abusing Oldham player Tom Adeyemi.
The incident occurred towards the end of the FA Cup tie, when a fan screamed abuse at the young full back, and visibly upset, he turned to confront the man.
Adeyemi was visibly upset, and seemed to be in tears. Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard moved across to the corner of the ground where the incident occurred, and comforted the 20 year old.
Eye witnesses saw two fans wearing Luis Suarez t-shirts, and heard one of them clearly shout "You f***ing black b***ard".
Police immediately moved in to restrain the two suspects, and later confirmed arrests had been made.
A senior Liverpool figure explained afterwards that stewards were immediately on the scene, and he said: "We will do everything in our power to investigate the matter and ensure the appropriate action is taken."
The incident could not have come at a worst time for the club, following the controversy that has raged over the Suarez affair, who was banned for eight matches for racist abuse of Manchester United's Patrice Evra.
The FA are now sure to investigate, and Liverpool could face sanctions for failing to control their supporters.
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No-one has been arrested (yet).
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Ps. Feel dirty for pasting anything that comes from this dirty rag, sorry ED.
06 Jan 2012 23:45:52
Hi Eds,
not sure if this has been covered, but i emember last week an agreement for player transfer (within Italy i think) but he will not actually move teams till summer. is it within the rules to try for a pre-contract for a player to move in summer? {Ed001's Note - so long as he plays in a different FA, a deal can be agreed 6 months before the end of a contract. If in the same FA, it is only 1 month.}
06 Jan 2012 23:42:50
Gr8 result marred by a couple of idiots. If they made racist remarks a life ban is a must. On the football side jonjo shelvey put in a great performance. When he adds a bit more steal and fitness to his game which will come with experience and age he may well turn out to be Stevie G's successor. Great to see our captain come through 90 minutes and Bellamy was fantastic. Reality Red