Liverpool Banter Archive May 16 2014

16 May 2014 21:15:34
I watched.dani parejo from the beginning of the new year. I havnt been overly impressed. He is a decent.footballer.and versatile, can play in a numberof midfield positions but he is no better than what we have. We have a young suso who IMO is better and is five years younger. Its a.strange one for me and he is definitely not worth 20million. 'll support BR, but we have a star in suso. I would have liked BR to go to a few almera matches and watch suso himself.

16 May 2014 22:35:28
Suso and Parejo are very different players. Suso is not and has never been a central midfielder and hasn't played 1 time in midfield for Almeria this season, played 15 games as a RW and 10 games as LW.

Parejo is a central midfielder and has played 20+ games in the Gerrard role this season. He plays much deeper than Suso. I think Parejo would be a very good signing depending on his price. � 25 million speculated in the media is a steep steep price and there are probably better options for that kind of money.

Agreed. Would be gutted if we let suso slip

I'd drop him and teixera in next season when we are comfortable in games

Frankly Mr Shankly, that's the problem. We can only keep one of them, and Teixera seems to have the better mentality/attitude. I can see Suso leaving.

I don't want to criticize a possible future player, but I have agree with Big Al here. Suso may have played out wide, but I firmly believe he can do very well in a 3 man midfield.

Parejo seem to be a player who is being looked at with Gerrard's age in mind.

17 May 2014 09:12:11
I don't want to see Suso going anywhere, at all. I am just saying they are very different players and could easily play together.

Suso is not quick enough to play in a 3 man midfield or out wide.
He's got very good technique but just not mobile enough.
Ironically, I do feel he could actually play in Gerrard's new position (the QB type role). But I can't see him in Liverpool's first team next season.

The.juicer i'm sorry ill say this.david silva. He is not the quickest is IMO the bestcreative. midfielder in europe.
You really havnt watched suso. The boy will be a star, that is a Fact IMO and i.hope its with us'

Suso will be amazing, he has creativity in abundance and doesn't need to be quick as he can pick a pass and read a good game. He is similar to Andres Iniesta when he first broke through at Barca as he was played all across the midfield until he settled as an attacking midfielder. Suso has 9 assists for a team struggling in the league and I bet the he has skinned a fair few faster players during his loan spell. Pace isn't everything when you have as much natural ability has Suso possesses.

{Ed002's Note - Would you be upset if he were to leave?}

Big Al, I appreciate that you and a lot of Liverpool fans think highly of Suso. Him and Sterling were the undoubted stars of their age teams.
Sterling has made the leap, Suso hasn't, despite being older.
Why?
Certainly if he had Sterling's pace, I think he'd be in there now. But he hasn't.
He's 20 yrs old now, Coutinho is only 21 and way ahead. Lallana is touted, and Suso would go behind him in the queue too. With another midfielder likely lined up as well.
A star as a kid, dribbling past 4 and 5 players. He's not going to get that luxury now. He's a good player but that ilk are ten a penny in Spain.
He needs to play, and in England I feel. Maybe a loan to another Premier team. But I don't see him in Liverpool's side anytime soon.
Don't compare him with Silva mate. Not even going there.

Juicer
Going where your in space'
Il say hello when you come back to earth
Suso has the potential to be as good as Silva. Silva is 27, suso 20. Spains in spain want him such as sevilla who could replace rakitic with him.
Ive watched him since was 16, youve watched him on fifa i'd guess.
Fans.opinions differ but you don't really know what your talking about :/
Xavi has no 'Real pace' your after, neither does inesta, sweinstager, Silva. Will I go on?
Or have you taken enough of a spanking?

Juicer
Forgot to say, you.mentioneded lallana' lallana who has NO pace?( great player though)
Your theorys squashed, i'm away to take the kids for a bite to eat xo

Sorry the The Juicer, I think Suso is plenty quick to play in a midfield role. He is young and will improve his movement but certainly has the guile, passing ability and a decent work rate to be a very successful central midfielder.

Besides, you only have to look at our central midfielders and there is anyone with a lot of pace there bar Henderson. Also, it is worth noting that Parejo or Lallana aren't quickest either. Infact, I would argue that Parejo is slower than Suso.

Al, talking of space, I missed that quantum leap of Suso from 16 year old star to world-cup bound full international of 27 yrs old.
Where and when did that happen mate?
Because it's not looking like it'll be at Liverpool anytime soon.
I saw him in Brendan's first season, including his first full PL start at Norwich, since when Liverpool's style has changed considerably.

Which brings me to my original point AG, where would he play if he came back now?
If he was quicker, he'd go in.
But he isn't, so what do you do with him if he comes back?

{Ed002's Note - I have not mentioned this before because I don't know who approached Porto, but a third-party saying he was representing Liverpool asked Porto if they would be interested in taking Suso as part of a deal for another player - who incidentally seems bound elsewhere. Porto is one of the sides that have shown an interest in Suso.}

Edd002 thanks for that info'
Juicer, sevilla, porta and.other teams in spain want this 20year old not good enough suso?
Suso needs a run of games to show what a.talent he is. Everyone knows he he will not be in the starting 11'
The.point is to give the boy a chance in theteam to prove himself. And FYI, he.is technically superior to allen and.Henderson( fact) and that is a major plus.
Why buy.parejo juicer for around 20mill, when we have a.player there who is better? He.showed that in the same.league as parejo' i'm really backing suso because the boy needs a chance.and it looks like Brendans letting a gem go possibly and replacing him with parejo who is expensive, 26 and.no better than what we already have.
Edd002, is there any other teams looking at parejo?

{Ed002's Note - Atletico Madrid.}

Have to agree with Big Al again. I see no point in spending a huge amount of money on a player who is not an improvement on Suso.

The Juicer, Suso would play as a central midfielder in a 3 man midfield, similar to how Coutinho and Sterling has done, even though that is not their preferred positions.

He can also play as a tucked in wide man in certain games and do a very good job.

I can't comment on the Parejo comparison because I don't know about him.
But ask yourself this - when we were stuttering on the run-in just gone, would Suso have made any difference at all?
Lallana ; yes. Ibe ; yes could have. A left back ; yes.
Suso ; don't think so.

Juicer
Your missing the complete point again
If the parejo deal happens which.looks very possible, we are paying 20million for a player that is no improvement.on what we have. Suso' was brought into it because.he has outshone parejo in.spain, is far younger and is our player.

My point was about pace Al.
Anyway lads, what is cracking is debating a Liverpool loanee during the Cup Final. Haha.
Proper.

Juicer
True, what can I say, were passionate ;)

16 May 2014 18:35:07
My sad opinion on Lucas Leiva,

I like Lucas, I truly do, I think he is smart, neat and tidy player who is often underestimated. However I believe it would be to both Lucas's and our benefit for him to leave.

Rodgers has been going on about the how he wants versatile players which Lucas just isn't. Since Hendo got suspended Lucas came into the midfield and the energy, and power was lost. As a DM he is still quality but that position has been taken up by Stevie. But we need depth? yes we do, Gerrard is not young and can and will get injured but I personally feel that Allen could be step into that position comfortably while offer something elsewhere.

This said I want Lucas to stay he is a veteran and adds experience but if and offer comes in for him I would take it besides he may not be happy playing in the little games to let our stars have a rest and my have ambitions of his own.

Wow, a player coming back from injury and not being match fit due to the team picking itself after 10 or 11 games unbeaten.

Lucas the former acting box to box midfielder converted to a DM.

I see Lucas having an important role next season (wasn't it between Agger and him being vice captain when Carragher left).

People talk about a plan B - big striker etc. ; why can't plan B be absorbing pressure with 2 DM's (Lucas and Gerrard) then hitting it long to pacey forwards.

Its about opinions - mines different to yours on Lucas (I remember earlier this season when Gerrard was injured - no one wanted to change Lucas, Henderson and Allen.)

I kinda of agree with both of you. However Rodgers switching to a back 3 often would allow for Hoola's suggestion.

Lucas is great, but unfortunately he's at a kind of useless age when we have stevie still here. He is neither young enough to learn his trade from Gerrard, nor old enough to be content with a bit part role.

The best thing for both of us would be if an acceptable offer came in to at least consider it.

Even when we had two DM's on the pitch BR refused to change the formation to suit the players he had available, and we suffered so two DM's won't be the plan b.

Just probing nothing more - would Lucas, Gerrard and Henderson given us a little more against say Chelsea?

Gerrard won't play every game next year and while Champs League is important being in it every year is more so (In My Opinion).

Hopefully Lucas and Gerrard can bring Rossitor on as well who I rate very highly - be useful for him to learn both styles of play.

16 May 2014 23:34:26
Well gents, I'll put it to you this way:

If Gerrard does his groin in September, I will have heart palpatations about Allen stepping in and playing that role. He's good on the ball, but he's not good enough defensively. I won't have the same problem with Lucas. And even if he doesn't get injured, we'll be playing a minimum of 44 Premier League and Champions League matches next season. Two competitions in which you will drop points if you take teams for granted. Are we sure Gerrard can play in all of them, and to the best of his ability in all of them?

As for the three games Hendo was suspended - it was three games. You could probably pick three games out of the season where we played well with Gerrard injured and Lucas, Allen & Hendo in midfield. Does mean we should sell Gerrard?

How can you play long balls when teams defends like Chelsea, it would just go out of play, or to the goalkeeper?

Lucas will remain an important squad player next season. McMeneny is right in some parts. If we want to get a decent fee for Lucas, this will be the time to sell, although Lucas could have an outstanding year next season and could cost more.

I think we nearly all agree that besides from a tidy second half against West Ham, Lucas did not perform great in the last few games of the season. He seemed sluggish and off the pace in the box to box midfield roll, however when he plays in the defensive midfield role his lack of mobility is not exposed as much and I believe he reads the game very well from there.
Intercepting and getting his foot in where necessary, breaking down opponents attacks, then distributing safely to his nearest team mate.
Lucas is not going to spray the ball about from there like Steven Gerrard does, nor is he going to create many attacking opportunities but he is an experienced loyal RED who will have a vital role next season. let's support him as he gives everything for our club.

16 May 2014 17:26:52
Inter Milan inquired after Lucas Leiva's availability Ed02?

{Ed002's Note - I answered this yesterday but we were forced to delete the answer. Sorry.}

Right. Sorry about that.

Is not the first time they or other Italian teams have shown interest. Fiorentina are also very keen, and napoli also.

Nevada

We could use Lucas to get a box to box midfielder from inter either Guarin or Kovacic would make us stronger. I don't want to see Lucas leave but that would be one way to make it ok.

It's worth mentioning that each time Fiorentina asked about lucas they have been told not for sale apart from once a couple of years ago when Fiorentina weren't willing to match what we asked for him, which wouldn't matter anyway because from what I've been told previously lucas has never had an interest in leaving.

Nevada

I believe he said something about Inter were speaking to 2 clubs in London but wasn't sure whether or not one of them was Liverpool/ was about Lucas.

16 May 2014 14:20:04
Man u fans are the new bitters wish they would stop going on about Suarez leaving, seems a very hot topic for them. Liverpool a one man team. Yeah whatever.
I won't deny it helps having him lol but this team is playing great football all over the pitch and everyone of them including aspas etc deserve a lot of credit.
Thank you for making me smile again

There will soon be another banner no doubt.

16 May 2014 15:07:53
All the manc media are fabricating stories about Suarez, they even have the length of the deals and how Madrid will only get him for £ 57 m!
only a deluded manc can possibly come up with fantasies like that to make them selves sleep at night.

Didn't you know AG, the are flying a plane to southampton to drop off a package for Shaw and Lallana, to persuade them with CL football. oh wait, the way the mancs are behaving I would have thought we finished 7th and they finished 2nd. What a weird bunch

Man u should be saving that money to buy some WD 40, walking canes, and dentures for their ancient squad.

There is a game of footy arranged between 4 middle aged Austrians in the northern part of Vienna; United will no doubt be employing that plane again.

16 May 2014 17:22:39
They won't have any banners out when they get relegated next season

You get awful cocky after one season okay United were bad Liverpool were good but don't forget you were in this position just a few years ago and look how you improved over three years from 6th or 7th finishes to title contenders and Suarez isn't the main man in the team but is the driving force behind your success and if Madrid came in after him why wouldn't he want to go there not saying he will but yet Ronaldo wasn't leaving united and look what happened

Cocky? No. It is the Utd fans who are obsessed with everything Liverpool. They went through the hassle of flying a banner attached to an airplane just so that Liverpool fans attending a post season friendly, in Ireland, with reserve players, could see it.

Are you telling me that there obsession is our cockiness?

We are fully aware of where we were and are very grateful to be where we are now. I don't recall any sympathetic Manchester United fans then.

16 May 2014 20:53:57
Paddy

Not cocky mate just enjoying being above you for first time in a while and yes things can change very quickly, so I would never get to cocky. But I get a lot of crap rammed in my face from man u fans so give I little back. And A G good point actually.

Wishful thinking if you think you're in the position we were in a few years back Paddy.

You are in the position we were in during the early 90's, with an ageing squad and the end of a dynasty. Whereas we are what United were in the early 90's, led by a remarkably similar, young team.

You will spend 200 million punds trying to claw back what is lost if your dynasty, but you won't manage it, its simply the end of the line.

Theres no way you will do what we have done in the last two years because to do that, you'd have to go back to basics, to the genesis of the team, a position for which we were forced
into by the circumstances.

Sure, united might have a slight revival- maybe you'll get in the top four most years, the odd title challenge or trophy, but you won't be anything like the dynasty you have been. You'll just be doing what Liverpool have done for 20+years: just holding your heads above the water through history and reputation.

17 May 2014 00:41:53
If the mancs would ov given giggs the job, I would be a bit concerned, but with van gaal, I know he's a money manager like capello, sven, hiddink, he will attract better players but its going to cost ya's, and if he fails spending a rubbish load, the next managers won't get a pot to piss in, believe! Plus van gaal as never managed in the prem, the most competitive league in the world, its easy winning with ya barca's, bayerns and ajax! Liverpool are building a dynasty, and this season failure will drive us on next season, top 4 going to be some battle with city, chalski, gooners, ouselfs, u mancs, plus ya bitters and spuds. Cannit wait!

16 May 2014 13:13:26
Oh dear dear me! Just watching how United have wheeled out a smartly dressed Schmichael wearing a Man u baseball cap, to feed there fans pro Van Gaal propaganda, haha! It really is embarrassing, I hope they lap it up, because for me he is now a dinosaur in the modern game, Director of football or something Yes, the main man No! It's a great appointment from my point of view, hopefully there next manager when he balls up will be Giggs. ha ;)

{Ed002's Note - I spent some time with Schmeichel at Old Trafford a couple of months ago and he is a really nice guy. He also is a great host and story teller. I suspect you would like him Waro.}

16 May 2014 14:12:47
I wasn't taking a shot at Schmeichel Ed02, it was the pathetic attempts of Man U to tell there supporters that there new manger will be great by wheeling out an ex player to get the fans onside.

There probably not the only club to do it, but they must think the average fan is stupid and if you spoon feed them opinions and sound bytes from ex players then they will be more supportive of the appointment.

LVG will definitely cause a lot of trouble. He will make some of his players hate him, like real bad. He does get them playing well but I wonder if he is worth the trouble, especially since it is likely to be a not so long term appointment.

Also, he does have a penchant for talking bull; and the British media will not be as supportive as they have been to Ferguson or Moyes.

Imo he will ostracize rooney by making rvp the main man they should have went for someone that won't be biased but we all get to enjoy the drama

Unfortunately he will do better than Moyes did - I would put money on it. Let's hope that the inevitable discontent in the dressing room manifests itself in dodgy results.

16 May 2014 18:25:49
Unfortunately for them it has nothing to do with moyes. The team is dross and needs replacing and the kind of players they want, they will be waiting a long long time for!

I think he is used to winning but the prem is a different animal to the leagues he has won in and he's starting with a poor utd squad but he will improve them for sure. I think rooney will be shown the door but who will take him on that money and age profile, a big summer for them but they will be better.

16 May 2014 12:51:01
If we keep Borini, do you guys(and Eds if you care to offer an opinion) will he replace Aspas or would sell Aspas and keep Borini and sign a striker?
I think the former.

{Ed001's Note - I think both will stay.}

16 May 2014 13:27:10
I think borini will come back and play and aspas will go ot on loan, shame really I had high hopes but I think aspas needs a run of games a bit like borini at sunderland and wisdom at derby hopefully alberto can go on loan too :)

I think it is one or the other.

Also, there is no chance of an Aspas loan. What can be achieved with loaning him? We will sell him or keep him.

Borini will be given some sort of a chance, it might be best for everyone if Aspas is moved on

I think Aspas will leave. Would love to see Heung Min Son replace him since we have had him watched. Suarez, Sturridge, Borini, Son would give the Man City strikers department something to think about.

Have to agree about aspas. Its his first season and I think he should get another season anyway just my opinion on the fella

The noises coming out of Liverpool seem to suggest that Borini will be staying and will get his chance next year, whilst Aspas will be on his way out.

This could change if we recieved a significant offer for Borini, or if no-one is willing to take Aspas at a reasonable price. But as things stand I think this is what will happen.

I really can't see LFC having 4 senior strikers next season. If Aspas leaves and Borini stays, I don't expect another.

16 May 2014 12:38:58
I don't post as much as I used to which is a shame as the site is excellent, the people that run it are relentless in going out their way to help and the model provides a multi-functional forum which should be used enjoyably. However, people do manage to screw it up with bitchy remarks and general slagging off which is a shame and ruins it for the other posters. If you don't like the Ed's answers then don't ask the questions as far as i'm concerned.

Sam Adzii

Banter?

16 May 2014 15:33:58
There will always be people like that. It has been that way since I started reading the site back in 2007. The Eds have changed the site around and most of the bad stuff don't get posted I think.

I still remember a certain Liam threatening Ed02.

16 May 2014 11:30:24
Good Morning Eds,

With a deal like Lallana's where a former club is involved in any fee paid, can LFC sort out something directly with Bournemouth to cover the compensation alternative (i.e. friendlies, loan players etc.) or does it have to be dealt with differently?

Cheers

Bryan

Ps thanks Ed02 for your thoughts on the B Team proposal, much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - It is taxable income for Bournemouth and Liverpool would need to play a lot of friendless against them to generate that much profit for Bournemouth. Liverpool would probably need to drop out of the EPL to make the time to do it.}

Can Liverpool deal with Bournemouth directly or does it have to go through Southampton for any share Bournemouth were to get?

{Ed002's Note - Why would they want to do that?}

Liverpool dealing with Bournemouth? Curiosity.

16 May 2014 11:27:00
Cant we start a petition to have Harry, AKA Harry scousser AKA Home Fan as an Ed? maybe Ed 007. it would give the other Eds a bit of time off and it would be hilarious.
LAY OFF HARRY.

I much prefer Harry to all the spuds Manc and blue-nose wind up merchants who regularly infiltrate the site. They should be banned ahead of Harry in my opinion.

True that ken!

If a ban can be imposed from posting anything related to Joe Allen, Lucas Leiva, Jordan Henderson's transfer fee, anything to do with money, Fabio Borini, Iago Aspas and Luis Alberto, Harry will be fine.

As for the fans of the 3rd biggest club in North London, fans of a certain club obsessed with everything LFC, and Daveyboy representing the whole bitters brigade, it shows that they are truly afraid of LFC these days when they continually see a need to belittle LFC. That is probably the only way they find peace.

Where you guys flying that banner today lads? Hong Kong? the South Pacific Ocean?

I like Harry, he makes me laugh. Let him be Ed that would be even funnier. Much bigger muppets on here posting crap than Harry.

17 May 2014 00:48:08
Love harrys and real ags posts, in fact I love reading all the posters

16 May 2014 10:24:12
This is just me letting off some pre summer signing steam. does it seem to anyone else that our transfer deals don't half seem problematic! Lallana currently, jan was konop/salah etc. I know other clubs must have difficulties similar to ours but I don't care about them!in a way itd be better to not hear about the potential deals but just when they are done!

Is this Mr.Ayre?

We need serious help if that is Ian Ayre.

Jokes.

16 May 2014 09:54:21
Would appreciate if you post Ed!

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{Ed002's Note - I wish I could but I suspect the answer is to remove the Liverpool Banter page and ban all of the Liverpool fans from other sites, because you should be able to take this on the chin as banter. It is painfully embarrassing to watch other Liverpool supporters (and I am not accusing you of this) turn immediate to abuse when any banter is posted by other fans. This thread will soon be deleted in the same way as many of the transfer threads on the Liverpool page get deleted when the supporters start throwing abuse at players they know nothing about.}

16 May 2014 11:31:11
I always get frustrated by these. I'd would have liked to have seen if i'd been able to take it on the chin.

How many threads get deleted? I had no idea you did that Ed02

{Ed002's Note - Lots Bobatron. Waro meant well and is far better at handling banter than others. Sadly the issue is over players the club shows an interest in - almost always leads to abuse and so threads get deleted. As an example, there is something that came up on Tuesday about a player but there is no point in saying anything until asked - it will simply be abuse.}

16 May 2014 11:31:54
It is just a defence mechanism Ed02, I'm fiercely proud of my City and that's all it was Ed, the same old stereotypical comments don't upset me they just irk me, and I would laugh if someone came up with something original ( where famed for our sense of humour don't yer know ).

I understand that if you go into certain subjects this can cause a major headache for yourself and the other Ed's so no problem that you didn't post it.

{Ed002's Note - I understand that and appreciate that out of all of the folk you will handle this much better. Sadly others cannot make good banter nor respond in a humorous way.}

16 May 2014 12:46:48
For all the disagreements we've had Waro, I've always felt it was banter/just down to a love of the club,
For what it's worth mate!

16 May 2014 12:43:07
Cheers Ed02, and I totally understand what your saying. I may be better served to just skip those sort of comments in future, as I've heard and read them a trillion times before.

{Ed002's Note - Good man.}

Exactly WelshboyDave, we all have the clubs bet interests at heart, however outlandish the post it's what people think is right for the team/club mate.

16 May 2014 08:45:37
Got to say found todays poll hard to decide. I think for myself that it would depend if GJ was going, how fit we think MK is will we get a decent left back (so as flanno can be left back cover too)

I voted yes on the presumption BR will get another left back and MK will be fit all season and GJ running down his contract.

I voted yes to Wisdom on loan again, but I won't be surprised if he is sold.

I voted yes also but only if Wisdom plays in the PL & for a team that will play him consistently, otherwise he might as well be back up to Johnson (who probably will see out his contract). The only way is see Johnson working next season is if we get a CB in to replace Skrtel that isn't afraid of his RB playing the way Johnson does.

16 May 2014 07:27:44
Hello all,

Anyone got an idea about Medel of relegated Cardiff, thought he did well this season and wondered if you know where he will be heading? Did we hold any interest in the past?

To be honest I watched him keenly if Cardiff were on tv, and the guy is bog standered. Got Lucas and Gerrard ahead of him too.

16 May 2014 02:19:37
Evening Ed's, quick question about our current players. Do you think suso and Alberto will get a chance to prove themselves next year. Both have great talent and potential but are rather young and a loan move may suit them, however, Rogers puts a lot of faith in our youth and it would allow us to spend on other areas that need improving (third striker and defense). Just wanted to see if you had any news on these two. Thanks!

{Ed001's Note - it will come down to the pre-season. They will get the chance to show their readiness then and a decision will be made then.}

16 May 2014 00:29:12
Not Liverpool related thankfully. I was just wondering if anyone knows, so far was this the season during the most managers lost their jobs? It is just crazy how in modern football teams (owners) don't have a long-term vision or patience? Makes you be thankful for FSG and BR!

To be fair, we did sack two managers in two seasons not so long ago.

Three no?