25 Jan 2015 17:34:23
A CHALLENGE.
IF, and it's a big if, we beat Chelsea and progress on Tuesday, will all the Brendan Haters promise to give him some credit afterwards?
Even if it's by being civil towards our lads at least until Wednesday?
How about it?
25 Jan 2015 17:49:00
Sure I'll give him credit for beating Chelsea. I'll say "well done Rodgers, good job tonight. You really stuck it to Mourinho".
However, as long as he continues to alienate and misuse senior players, display an almost amusing lack of planning and forward thinking (Can playing RCB and Markovic at RWB whilst Andre Wisdom is on loan at West Brom, for example), fail to coach our defence, ignore any worthwhile youth player we have, underachieve with a squad that has way more talent than they've been credit for this season, and bring in strikers that make Voronin look like 1996 vintage Robbie Fowler, I'll still want him to leave.
I'll just keep quiet about it because of reasons of decorum, yeah? That okay?
25 Jan 2015 18:17:04
"Brendan Haters"? I have been critical of BR and I have explained my reasons very clearly.
Regardless of whether we get past Chelsea or not are you prepared to challenge yourself and accept the mistake BR has made?
Tough. Cause I agree with both, everything about Rodgers lack of learning, youth introduction, plans for loan players, lies to players and his constant foot in mouth won't go away with a cup final place.
Don't actually hate Rodgers, just dislike a lot of his choices.
We win the league cup and finish top 4. I'd say still let him leave, but leaving us with a good platform for a better level of manager to take us forward, cause tbh he can't.
Look at him like Borini, certainly cares, would love to do well and succeed at Liverpool, gives 100% but just lacks that something which separates the good from the great. Nobody dislikes Borini but can all see he's just not good enough, won't score the goals we need and would do both parties better if went seperate ways this summer.
BTW, I like Borini. Wish he'd do well, but if we have the option to sell and bring in Lacazette or Benzema.
Such anger - I don't get that really something red. I think we might be on the same side. But I get the feeling you would rather us lose so you can pour your anger onto this forum. The trouble is I'm pretty certain that even if we do beat Chelsea then someone will moan. I honestly believe that people are not very nice here. I enjoy a good discussion, one that is constructive, but people have agendas here that are complete and formed. Last season we played our best football for twenty years, I was sold.
I cannot apologise for the loyalty towards Brendan that has arisen in me because of last season. Now we see glimpses of that team returning and it's exciting. It's a shame others are fickle. I wouldn't want to be in the trenches with half of you lot.
The last post I will ever post.
With Soething and AG, for sure! Being critical of BR for his glaring blunders, his being arrogant, self-serving and alienating of players along w/ lying to the owners and chasing good players out of the club YET rewarding mediocrity (GJ getting a new contract is rank incompetence) does not make u haters. It makes us aware of the probs he has caused and how they have cost us this season. Woy and KK didn`t do this much YET got the sack so why should BR`s fate be any different? If we progressed, then BR has done nothing else but doing the right thing, what he`s handsomely paid to do. HIS JOB!
25 Jan 2015 23:04:48
Well, tbh, between your attitude and login name, I suspect your a regular making a once off WUM account because he doesn't want to have to stand over his comments with his regular screen name anyway.
But if we're being serious here, you can't give BR credit for nearly winning the league last season (this 1-man team business that some people come out with is nonsense. Suarez wouldn't have scored the 31 goals that nearly propelled us to a league title without the players around him and the way they were coached to play) and then overlook errors he makes. He either has the responsibility for how the team performs or he doesn't. He can't have it when the going is good and not have it when things are bad. Or vice versa, for that matter.
My real issue with Rodgers is his management of players. If he keeps going the way he's going, we're always going to be 1 or 2 men (and that's how close we are, btw) short of a title winning team, because players with the potential to be brilliant will be misused, alienated and will leave. So as one missing piece is brought in, a different piece will go. Lucas is the best example. The change in our results since he returned to the side is very obvious. But he was made feel unwanted and we almost certainly won't have him next season as a result. Can, his nominal replacement, is on his way to being a world class player, but not at defensive midfield, imo. Best outcome I can see we'll end up spending £12m on someone who'll basically do the same job. Sakho's another one, he's been one of our best players in the last few games, but Rodgers only recalled him because he literally has no other option available to him to field three center backs. He may leave in the summer too. Rodgers also tried to sell Henderson, who likely be our club captain next season, for £7m when he arrived. He's not going to keep getting away with that stuff.
And for me to pretend that's not happening over one result would make me a liar and a hypocrite. So I'm sorry, bro, I'm not going to do it.
25 Jan 2015 23:07:22
Oh and fyi, I've kept my opinions to myself more often than not when we've lost this season, because I reckon people are in foul enough humour already.
25 Jan 2015 23:26:31
Redohio, under woy we paid turgid football and Kenny (legend) seemed to lose his way, I still didn't want him to lose his job mind.
Under Rodgers, he seems to be making inexplicable blunders but we do seem to progressing (if our current form continues). You cannot lose sturridge and Suarez and expect to be on the same level. IMPOSSIBLE.
I agree with all about youth players, arrogance over lack of DF coach, transfers (although we have a committee so can't be his fault entirely. surely??), GJ, and his all-round David Brent esque.
But ever the optimist I'm hopeful, that him being a young manager, he can fix these imperfections and continue to manager us beyond this season. Because bottom line is we are playing better football and he did get us second last year.
Well Extra, It doesn`t matter what you or I want however, it DOES matters, wht is best for LFC. The bottom line is as Something red gas said above, you cannot give him credit for getting us back into reckoning last year (which will always b to his credit) and then not having him take the blame for all his well-documented, unforced and avoidable blunders. By doing that, you are acting like BR meaning, trying to have it both ways. I want y club to succeed regardless of who the manager is and that is the bottom line. If you wanna willfully ignore his blunders, his mismanagement of commited players (Suso, Sahko, Lucas), neglect of our academy youngsters, wastefulness in the TW et al just because we are playing slightly better (based on the opposition, that is debatable) then by all means, HAVE AT IT. But stop with the moral lectures and the pointless idea that we are haters because we refuse to be hypocrites and oblivious to his failings. I love my club (my newborn son will be an LFC fan, for sure) and will not take moral lectures from those who would rather focus on the positives at the expense of cold, hard facts which state that BR is starting to cost the club money and credibility and the owners will NO LONGER tolerate his incompetence and mismanagement of players and transfer funds because we do NOT have the money nor time to rectify his blunders so we cut bait now, IMO. If firing BR is the best thing for LFC`s future then like KK, Woy and Rafa, SO BE IT and I`m good with that because NO MAN is bigger than the club. Are you?
We're playing better football because we're not playing the way he tried to get the team to play. If I break something, then fix what I broke, do I get credit for being a brilliant repairman?
RDL. You do in my house.
26 Jan 2015 18:30:57
Red, if I say we should keep BR for one more season. You hear that I'm; calling you a 'hater' and on some moral crusade?
Apologies Extra, I was referring to CHangemynappy w/ the "hater" part part of my comment.