18 Sep 2017 06:56:15
Reading between the lines, it's pretty easy to see that Southampton will sell Van Dijk in January, or in the summer at the latest.
It's just a case of if they'd sell to us (I think they would personally once the fee is fair plus an extra few million for the upheaval in June) .
So between now and then and assuming Van Dijk still wants to come to us, let's hope we can stay near the top 4, we could still do with another CB in the Summer and either play Karius/ Ward or loan one of them out for goodness sake.
18 Sep 2017 07:06:33
Completely agree OIirsh, I''d like us to sign two CB's and give Ward a good run.
18 Sep 2017 07:24:35
Yep, I'd give Karius and/ or Ward a run of games now.
Mignolet played ok on Saturday bar his positioning for the corner Matip cleared off the line, but other than that he was ok.
He never really makes unexpected save does he?
Obviously he has saved a few penalties and made one reaction save out of the top drawer vs Stoke last season but in nearly 5 seasons that's just not enough, not even close.
A top keeper should earn you about six to ten points a season.
18 Sep 2017 08:04:01
Players priorities changes faster than Usaain bolt. He might find City an attractive option next summer.
18 Sep 2017 08:22:22
Yeah of course, especially if he feels we hung him out to dry as may be the case.
He did all he could for a move from his side to be fair, was there enough done from ours?!
Doesn't seem like it as we had to try to stick to our statement promise to back off from him.
18 Sep 2017 08:12:29
I can't find it anymore but would be interesting if anyone can find that piece about saves keepers are expected to make and saves they aren't. There was a table of EPL keepers, drawn up on a points for unexpected, lose for not making expected saves, but I can't remember where Mignolet was on it because the point they were making was around Hart and Bravo.
18 Sep 2017 08:29:08
Spot on, Olirish. Hopefully, he still wants to come to us and we are clearly still interested.
However, I disagree with you that Migs played okay. He did not. In fact, he was partly at fault for their goal as you will see if you read ED01's game review. I saw the exact same thing Ed01 saw in real time and I blamed him first before the other CB's. On the Mee header cleared off the line, why was it cleared off the line? Could it be cos he was caught in no man's land so Matip rightly read the play and cleared the ball? Migs is crap and will always be crap. Had we lost, he would get the blame as the errors he made show.
A GK is supposed to bail his team out, save the balls he is not expected to save in order to preserve a win or a point away from home or a chance to keep going for a winner or equalizer. Migs is NOTHING like that and Klopp needs to end this GK rotation nonsense and bin him so Karius and Ward can battle it out cos they are more talented than Migs and just need experience.
18 Sep 2017 08:29:36
He couldn't do anything about their goal on Saturday. That was down to comedy defending.
18 Sep 2017 09:38:06
Mr Dennis, watch the goal again and watch Migs through out the play and read Ed01's match review about Migs performance and you will see exactly what I am saying as I was not the only one who saw that. Some other posters like Something Red saw the same thing.
The GK is supposed to bail his defenders out when they screw up as DDG did for Utd for a few years when they were just crap. Migs does and never does that for us which is why he should be binned. The bar is so low for Migs it's becoming pathetic and deluded. He gets plaudits for doing the most basic of things right and that is just unfair. Klopp has to end this right now and the first way to fix the GK issue is to first of all, remove the first problem as in, bin the guy making hapless mistakes since he got here and move from there.
18 Sep 2017 11:03:10
I agree with Bingo, Migs distribution and decision making are awful at times. We have too long put up with his average performances. He has always conceded goals, despite having international CBs in front of him.
Some people say oh he made a few saves that got us to top 4 last season. that's is ffin job. Karius 10 prem games 1 defeat last season, was hung out to dry because the Neville chuckle brothers and Mr how many own goals did I score, Carragher got on his case after the Bournmouth game.
The team will not be worse if Karius or Ward came in. Migs has had his time let's give the others a chance.
18 Sep 2017 11:03:54
What did you see for the goal from Mignolet Bingo?
Not being a smart ar$e, I just can't see what his error was.
Unless you're going to say, he was out of position.
Yeah as I stated above, he was caught in no man's land for the clearance from Matip off the line from Mee at the corner near the end.
He did make a decent save right after too, but it was one he should make.
Which brings me back to a point I have made a few times, he makes very few world class saves.
I could count on one hand the number of world class saves he has made in 4 full seasons, it's simply not good enough.
He should make 4 or 5 world class saves per season to be good enough.
18 Sep 2017 11:27:46
We should be going all out to secure Butland, he is class, with a good decade or so infront of him, the cb's are very very average and have been for years, we have a Wenger situation where it's not getting addressed properly.
18 Sep 2017 12:11:12
The goal was solely down to the centre back and lack of cover from midfield. Klavan's decision to dry hump Matip and Brady (when he had no hope of ever getting to the ball), was ridiculous, it left Arfield with acres of space and time to pick his spot and he certainly did that. I doubt any keepers would have got to that one. Fair enough criticise when he makes mistakes, but there is no way Mignolet was at fault for that goal, look at the chuckle brothers playing in front of him. Courtois or De Gea would look awful behind our defence.
18 Sep 2017 12:40:07
I agree Mr. Dennis.
I didn't see any review blaming Mignolet for that goal.
I also don't see how he could be at fault when as you say the player was left with acres of space and placed the shot well into the corner.
I'm far from Mignolet's biggest supporter, but I simply cannot see how any keeper could be blamed for that goal.
Believe me, when he makes errors, I will rip him immediately but not for that goal.
Can someone tell us why he is supposedly at fault for it?
18 Sep 2017 13:07:26
Olirish, go and watch the goal again and this time, fix your eyes on Migs all through the play. Then, read Ed01's game review as he alludes to the exact same thing and then we can discuss. Until you do that, you will not be able to grasp what me and the Ed's and prolly many others saw as I was NOT the only one who saw it. Again, I am not saying he was to blame solely BUT to say that he did not help matters at all cos he is simply a crap GK, unable to bail his defenders out when they screw up, like any good GK should do.
{Ed001's Note - I did not say he was at fault, a top keeper would have saved it by being set, but I have no faith in Mignolet doing so, even if he had been set. I was just pointing that he gave himself no chance to save it because he came out of goal for no reason, then had to run back and was still going the wrong way when the shot came in. He should have been set and only having to throw himself at the shot.}
18 Sep 2017 13:20:02
Mr Dennis, DDG or Courtois have shown an ability to save their teams when their defence goes missing. Migs record on that front is near non-existent. I don't know if another GK would have saved it BUT we know that another GK would prolly not have gone walk-about in the build up to that goal hence, giving him a better chance to save the shot.
Also, I never said he was at fault solely for the goal as there were mistakes across the board starting with TAA getting beat for the first header. What I am telling you is that Migs cannot be relied on to bail his defenders out when they make mistakes and his mistakes highlighted in this goal, shows why he is crap and needs to go.
A GK should be able to help us out of a jam and sorry, his hidden mistakes cannot be tolerated. DDg spent a near life time covering for Utd's hopeless defence under LVG and he was the reason they were not midtable fodder. Not saying he should do a DDG BUT he is not able to protect the team when they screw up as that is the basic function of a GK in the end, save his team's bacon. The mistake on the goal is another example of that.
18 Sep 2017 13:22:55
Olirish, Yess he was out of position which is yes, another hidden mistake and it is criminal for a GK cos you give yourself almost no chance of having a go at the shot as he was back-pedalling and shuffling to his left the whole time hence, his feet were not set when the shot came. Sorry, if your feet are not set as a GK facing a shot then, you have no chance. These are the most basic of things a GK does and he is pi** poor at that. I know we both agree that Migs is crap. Just showing another reason to support that point.
18 Sep 2017 13:31:12
Exactly, he did slightly put himself out of position. That I saw but there would have been nothing he could do about the shot really unless he is more explosive on his toes.
This is a complaint I have about him regularly.
He is flat footed a lot.
Not up on the balls of his feet = less explosive with shot stopping or foot movement. He does this time and time again. Mignolet is extremely flat footed. But it was a decent finish too.
18 Sep 2017 13:31:45
Spot on, No Fin. Those Chuckle Bros and Carra targeted him cos he made a mistake or two and ONLY lost one game in the 10 he played in cos the boy had the temerity to standd up for himself after being bullied by Neville. Then Carra, the sellout (Ed01's word not mine) comes on the scene and tells him to shut up and do his job just cos he told off his manc bro Neville and stood up for himself.
It was a witch hunt cos we were on fire in that time and the Chuckle bros were looking for something to harm Klopp with. Not saying Carra should not criticize us at all BUT he should have kept an even keel and diffused the situation. Instead, he fanned the flames hence, giving the chuckle bros. cover to say "Well, an LFC legend is slating him so no witch hunt here", right? Pathetic. Klopp should never have dropped Karius and now we are in the shambles we are in as a result.
19 Sep 2017 15:44:48
Sorry but really don't agree with the idea the keeper is there to protect the team when they screw up. They are there to do a specific set of roles as part of the team.
The keeper is there to make shot saves which can happen and still mostly do happen without requiring screw ups from outfield players. If your keeper saves what you'd expect he's good, if he saves stuff you wouldn't normally expect then he's very good.
He is there to kill the ball when team is under pressure by getting hands on it, from crosses, corners, through balls, ball bouncing loose in the area. Good keepers do this when it is on, don't chase it when it isn't.
He is also there to be a footballer, start moves with quick distribution, distribute across a range of methods and distances, be available for a pass to recycle or retain possession.
Lastly he's the one with the best view of what is happening so he should be an organiser, he should be letting the players in front of him know what is going on that they can't or don't see, he should be getting them into the positions he needs them in for when it is his time to work.
Any time he covers for the outfield screwing up is a side effect of him doing his job not because that is his job. If his job were to cover for their screw ups then by implication it is the keeper's fault if the opposition still score, which is patently wrong.
If you judge Mignolet on those he comes out as pretty average across the board and I say average because most keepers aren't great at most of those tasks. The number who are actually good and good for the right reason is very low, e. g. those where their positioning is good so they make good saves, not they make worldy saves because their positioning is crap to start with.