Liverpool banter 8

07 Oct 2025 13:58:57
Massive big up to all the red fans who raised a mahoosive 225 big ones for Diogo's grass roots initiative, love it ♥️.

07 Oct 2025 12:31:34
Personally thin it's a change of formation we need to be doing, we have to adapt to the players we have, our fullbacks aren't Trent, Kerkez is not an inverted fullback, he is getting ruined, he is an attacking out wide fullback, same with Frimpong/ Bradly, Wirtz is a guy to play behind a front 2, Ekiteke and Isak, Slot can then his preferred mid 3 of Grav, Szlob and Macca in, Salah is starting to break our attacks down and just isn't working out wide, he and Gakpo can both play as a front 2 also, Chiesa as well, if we want width, let our fullbacks use their greatest strength and provide it.

07 Oct 2025 15:18:53
Plausible but I think we should stay the course with what we are doing.

We need to play with a bit more urgency and the right times while also defending better.

Time will tell. I still think it will all be fine in the end. Growing pains.

07 Oct 2025 17:30:04
trust in Slot. Winning the league is a luxury and something to be ecstatic about when it happens, don't turn it into a necessity or you will kill the joy in supporting this wonderful team.

07 Oct 2025 18:26:18
Davey, I trust the manager. I may moan about his over-tinkering and playing players out of position that leads to nowhere BUT the thought of quitting on him is laughable not even in my thinking.

Like you, it is early days and teething issues were going to happen, fact. I just want him to not make them worse by the things he is doing. I hope he changes for the better and goes from there.

07 Oct 2025 18:47:03
OliRed, you trust the manager that you accused of 'literal insanity' after the Chelsea game?
How can you trust someone that is making things worse by the things he is doing?

07 Oct 2025 19:16:27
100 agree OP. I would love to see us play with an old school front two and attacking full backs providing the width but sadly 4231 seems to be the standard formation at the moment the world over, but hey we're not managers. I am sure Slot will figure it out.

08 Oct 2025 09:49:44
Rigsby, that part was for you who continuing to believe that Grav playing at CB to "progressing the ball" is more important than playing a true CB at CB just cos he could again, "progress the ball". You supporting that is what I meant as literal insanity. And even if I accused him of literal insanity, what do you call doing the same things and expecting a different result? I'll let you chew on that. Take your time, btw.

As for trusting Slot, of course, I do, of course. I still believe he can and will change course (put his ego to the side) and get us going again even tho, what he is doing is doing my head in. That being said, we were all here hoping Klopp would change the "slow possession" footie nonsense he was doing and frankly, he didn't till he left. We can always hope.

08 Oct 2025 13:07:30
OliRed, I never said it was more important to play Gravenberch at centre half to progress the ball. Once again, you are making things up. I told you why I believed Slot did it. Gomez was on the bench but Gravenberch went to centre half.
The decision was nothing to do with me so you accused Slot of 'literal insanity' and I see you've repeated in the post above.
I'm not surprised streaming Liverpool games is doing your head in when the last two managers have been literally insane or playing slow possession footie nonsense.
I'd stop buying the 'merch' if I were you.

07 Oct 2025 10:02:21
REDS, it seems to me, just my thoughts, that Kerkez is getting some unfair criticism . Last season at Bournmouth, he was a overlapping left back, pace and aggression. Crossing for forwards and going for goal. Im not seeing much of that. The players fault? or the Head Coach and the instructions he gives!

07 Oct 2025 12:34:20
I’m not worried about any of the new signings or the teams performances.
I know it’ll come good and Kerkez is already looking better.

07 Oct 2025 12:40:07
Our problem is trying to force players into roles they aren't best suited for, we need to go to a 4-3-1-2, let our fullbacks use their greatest strength which is providing pace and width down the flanks, not being inverted, they are getting let down there, we need to let Isak and Ekiteke form a proper old school partnership, our main ST goes out wide to much, stay in the middle and stay close to each and move around, Wirtz just behind them pulling all the strings, he is a ridiculously brilliant technical player, he needs to be played at his best position, we can a narrow workman mid 3 of grav, macca and szob.

07 Oct 2025 13:56:32
Ron, your comment is the only one worth reading - completely agree. Not concerned one bit.

07 Oct 2025 14:05:18
What exactly is Kerkez doing wrong? In the games I've watched he's kept the likes of Semenyo, Madueke and Neto quiet. All of Galatasaray's joy came down the other side. All of Palace's joy came from set pieces. Chelsea scored from that side after Robertson came on. Semenyo scored twice after Robertson came on.

Kerkez had one silly moment vs Burnley when he dived and then Burnley started trying to get him sent off so Slot reacted sensibly. Generally speaking, we're conceding goals from set pieces, or players running straight through the heart of the team. Kerkez hasn't been great going forward, but he's hardly been playing badly or costing us goals.

Seems to me like the team is struggling to gel and some of the established players are way off the pace, but people are just throwing mud at the new signings because they're the more obvious change point; regardless of whether they are actually the problem.

The let downs this season have been 3 fold in my opinion.
1) Mac Allister is not at his best yet after injury and we're suffering in midfield as a result.
2) Konate has been awful so far and is becoming a liability both defensively and in possession.
3) Salah is not playing well at all but we're still trying to pass to him at every opportunity.


I don't know how we fix these issues because Slot is smarter than me and hasn't managed to yet. But the issues are very clear when you watch us play. Konate keeps giving the ball away and losing duels, Macca is getting run over in midfield and losing duels, and Salah is missing chances like they're going out of fashion and losing duels.

If you have 3 players in the team who repeatedly lose their 1v1 battles, then gaps start appearing all over the pitch and you get punished. When those same players are also contributing very little in possession, you have to ask why they're still playing.

07 Oct 2025 14:16:24
Ron, so is Wirtz, IMO.

07 Oct 2025 19:18:03
Kerkez is an easy target. He's done mostly fine in a vastly underperforming team right now. It'll come good.

Wow, Robbo's ceaseless positivity is rubbing off on me!

07 Oct 2025 21:22:56
MK, I would add that Bradley has been shocking and Slot doesn't like Frimpong at RB. Or Gomez at RB/ CB.

07 Oct 2025 07:53:42
hej ed001, hope all is well. You did some manager/ head coach profiles in the past. Could you do one on Arne Slot?
Big thank you for keeping this site up the way it is.

{Ed001's Note - yes mate, he is on the list. And thank you.}

07 Oct 2025 04:56:26
There are numerous issues so far this season, but the one that stands out for me is pace: we don't have any. Well we do (Frimpong, Kerkez) but we don't use any in our play. Our fullbacks seem to invert more times than not (which I hated when Klopp started doing it and still hate now), which removes pace as an asset, and takes up space. I addition none of our forwards are exceedingly quick - I mean they're no slouches, but that super rapid pace that scares defenders? We don't have it. Salah has as lost the lightning burst he had, Gakpo has never been that quick, Ekitike is fast but not over the first yard, ditto for Isak. Young Rio is the only one with that pace and dribbling ability, which is why he's had a bit of an impact despite his age and rawness. The passing is already somewhat lethargic, but that can be improved. A lack of pace individually (and a lack of willing to set the team up to use it) is a big issue, as we are so predictable. I hope the boss recognizes this.

07 Oct 2025 07:32:20
You know what i was thinking something similar although not particularly about pace but about seeing someone who just wants to run at people and go past them.

Diaz did it but other than him Rio is the only player i can think of that does it consistently.

But players like that lose the ball a lot so if Slot wants more control you can understand him not having those tupes of players in his team.

07 Oct 2025 07:39:58
I'm not entirely sure our full backs are inverting, Conor does but it's not exactly inverting, it's carrying the ball through the middle of the pitch like an 8 would, and then making underlapping runs off the ball near the box, which is his game anyway. Kerkez and robbo are still getting out wide, but sometimes with no understanding with the left winger, or in the worst case, being hung out to dry on their own that time wirtz started on the left wing and playing as a central 10 anyway.

I think the last few games we're seeing how integral mo being on form is to the way we play. We gamble putting him on the field and having him take up the highest position up the field in build up, and not having to press or track back much, because he is the difference maker when we can find him in space and the opposition full back is caught up the field.

Against Chelsea he got in good positions because cucurella was always marauding up the field, we were looking for him every time. Usually in those situations he will deliver much more often than not, but when he is playing that badly we have all the demerits of giving him that license defensively while having none of the advantages of doing that. I'm going to say it again, an on form Salah wins us that game comfortably, as average as we were for large parts of that game (and Chelsea were actually just as bad, they pressed better than us but they gave the ball away loads too) .

07 Oct 2025 07:58:02
Seano agree mate and it’s not just pace of the players but the pace in which we move the ball. Everything seems so slow and laboured and the team look so risk adverse.

The Galatasaray game in particular was an awful one to watch and I’d be surprised if the ball was actually in play more than 40 minutes.

Even the game against Arsenal it felt like both teams had taken a lead out of American football and it was all about set pieces.

This isn’t just us but the modern day PL football where players who can run are more appreciated than actual ballers.

In this day and age the next Ronaldinho, Messi, R9, Cantona, Bergkamp, Okocha’s, Di Canio’s, Le Tissiers etc wouldn’t even get a look in, in modern day Premier league football.

07 Oct 2025 08:10:10
The only player who zips a pass and runs into space is Wirtz. His passes are missed because our players are too much on their heels and nobody is picking up his runs.

Then we have Salah. Cucurella admitted that Chelsea had worked on Salah not tracking back in training. They won’t have been the first team and they won’t be the last.
And is it Jota causing his dip in form or is it age? His touch is gone, his pace is gone and his passing is 50/ 50 at best right now. We are technically playing with 10 men from kick off.

Plenty of work for Slot to do over the break.

07 Oct 2025 08:35:33
Does anything think the players might be risk averse because Slot digs out anyone that loses the ball publicly? This is one thing I don't like about Slot. I don't mind him hooking players when playing badly but I don't want him telling the world about the missed passes they made to cost us. The team should be set up to defend counter attacks properly and were not. And that is something that is on Slot and not the players for losing the ball when trying a killer pass. Why buy Wirtz and then scare everyone out of passing to him in dangerous areas?

07 Oct 2025 09:35:06
You're right about not having quick players but in midfield we seem desperately slow. grav got an extra gear Slob is ok but Jones endo n particularly Macallister is the slowest . I think that is are main problem . the midfield, they don't control the games, very easy to get through usually with one pass like we saw Chelsea score their first , they don't seem to be a cohesion unit . all good players though .

{Ed001's Note - Szobo is very quick, as is Grav.}

07 Oct 2025 09:44:22
I don't think the team, in general, is up to pace yet.
A lot of new players, injuries, fitness, a suspension (? ) and form means that winning that winning the transfer window hasn't reaped the rewards we expected so far.
If we get a couple of those that are struggling firing we'll improve massively. If they all do, well.
Obviously we still need to get the balance right. That said, I don't think we had that in midfield last season and we comfortably won the League. This season Wirtz has been added when Mac is woefully out of sorts and Grav and Szob are being moved around.
I think we need someone alongside Grav and that would allow Wirtz and Szob to do what they do best. I'm not sure where this leaves Mac given his current form.

07 Oct 2025 09:56:27
A pass will always be faster than a run and we should focus on that. Running speed is one thing but we also need to move the ball faster. The reason why we look so slow this season is not because we lack pace in the squad but we move the ball so slowly. Players take 2-3 touches and look up before they play the pass. That slows us down a lot as it gives teams the chances to get back into shape to defend against us.

On the point about our midfield, I think our best midfield is Grav and Szob, with Wirtz in the 10 ahead of them. I like Macca but he is way of the pace this season so he shouldn't be starting. Him, Jones, and Endo are adequate back-up for now until we have the chance the revisit that position again, either in Jan or the summer.

07 Oct 2025 10:16:37
I'm not really sure that's true jk, if anything outstanding one on one players are more valuable than ever because they make a difference when every team is fit enough to press and mark man to man, one player who is a split second ahead of the curve and does something unexpected or who can beat their marker with a feint or dribble can create disorder and space. The difference is that player also needs to be able to press and run themselves and be disciplined positionally off the ball, which many of the named players were not.

Wirtz at Bayer was pretty much that player, a player who could consistently create disorder in the opposing third and who had a system built around giving him the freedom to express himself with two hard working forwards who could drop deep and overlapping wingbacks, but who did his part in the team's off the ball structure. I guess the game is much more systematic now and a maverick player is invaluable, but also has to work cohesively in the context of the team's shape.

Also on the point of slot digging players out, I can agree to some extent, but that's just the kind of man he is, honest and straightforward. It's not often about a pass that goes astray either, he criticised Dom for trying an unnecessary trick on the center circle too, besides that I think there's probably only one other occasion that he's done it that I can remember?

It's true that we are not very well insured for when a pass is misplaced, I would say actually that we can't be characterised as being 'risk averse' if we are sending hospital passes into midfield a few times a game without being in a good shape to cover if things go wrong. I fact in such a situation I'd want us to be a bit more risk averse lol.

07 Oct 2025 10:41:50
Pat always enjoy reading your posts but couldn’t disagree more.

Just looking at football only as far back as say 2000-2010 the game was far more exciting and had mavericks all over the place. Wirtz is a good example but for every one player today back in those days and further you could counter argue everyone with 5 players.

07 Oct 2025 11:30:24
I'm with Jk23 on this. We had way more mavericks in the game in the 2000s and early 2010s than we do now.

07 Oct 2025 12:19:43
Seano, I disagree. There is pace in the team whether it be Frimpong and Kerkez, Grav and Szobo esp. and Gakpo and to some extent Isak and Eketike. So were Diaz and Darwin ep; last season, as well. The pace was there then and it is there now so that is not our issue. Neither do we invert our FB's. The only time we did hat was when Szobo inverted in the second half of the Arsenal game which helped nullify Arsenal's want to overload the midfield and it worked on the occasion he did so.

Having said that, we are not moving the ball with pace, intensity and purpose and that is a separate issue. That has to do with tactics that the manager is putting in place than the pace that is clearly in the team. As for us pressing, we don't press anywhere near last season cos of again, the manager's choices. It's that simple, IMO.

07 Oct 2025 12:37:08
Playing hospital passes in to midfield is not taking a risk its being rubbish. If they could pass straight the pass could come straight back to them or the keeper. Taking a risk would be passing through the lines to Wirtz who runs constantly into space. We've seen how he can make a chance with one touch in those areas. Give him the ball in the final third or he's basically just doing the bleep test all game or having to come deep to get it and that's when he thinks he has more time than he does.

07 Oct 2025 13:00:06
@Oli - I’ve yet to see our fullbacks, especially on the right, overlap on the outside. Bradley comes in centrally all the time, Kerkez is seemingly told not to run ahead of whoever is LM/ LW. Szobo and Grav. are fast, but I’m talking about that explosive first yard, that pace that worries defenses (think Torres, think Mane, think prime Salah, etc) - it gives opposition things to think about. We could use Frimpong and Kerkez on the overlap to utilize this, but we seem either unwilling or unable to do so.

The system is nullifying a number of players, and isn’t even getting the best out of the others who aren’t nullified. Pace scares defenders, drags them out of position, gives others space - right now we have very few answers to a low block no matter how poor the opponents (Burnley), or that much thrust even when teams don’t play the low block. Instead we pass it around slowly and aimlessly, then lose it and need to get people back to fend off the counter attack. I mean look at the games this season - we’re shipping multiple goals every game, and not even creating all that much. It’s October now and we look no better than we did in August - if anything we look worse. We need a huge improvement in every area if we’re serious about defending our league title, because this is nowhere near good enough, and it hasn’t been all season.

07 Oct 2025 14:24:48
Seano, you are making my point for me. The strengths you outline that the players possess, are belong nullified by the way Slot is setting the team up to play. I would love to have overlapping FB's to get forward and assist the widemen esp. on the right cos that will help Salah and provide him with an option while at the same time, forcing the oppo. winger to track back. But we aren't doing that cos they are being restricted to do things they seem not to be able to do

Also, having Szobo in midfield will also help free up Salah as he can burst into the inside channel for Salah to find him or use his run as a decoy to make hay. But guess what, man? We again, can't do any of this cos Szobo is now playing all the way back there at RB.

And the lack of intensity in our ball movement, passing is just dreadful. We aren't taking the game to the oppo. like we did last season and the square pegs in round holes are sucking the freaking life out of me. It's Oct. for sure and not panicking in any way BUT we have to sort things out fundamentally first.

07 Oct 2025 16:12:30
ED001 that what I was saying Grav has an extra gear n slob is ok . the rest are all very average speedwise.

06 Oct 2025 23:32:01
Eddie001. You've said recently that the slow build up tactic of passing it between the centre backs is to bait the opposition into breaking ranks and finding a gap to penetrate. Question: if you can see this, surely opposition managers can see this too and simply brief their team not to. Time for a change in tactics now, no?

{Ed001's Note - I would say so. I always think fast movement is best as it drags players out of position and doesn't give them time to cover. You don't need players to move fast, the ball should be doing the work. It was always the same when we struggled against low blocks under Klopp, we would move the ball too slowly then as well. That just allows the opposition time to adjust. A bit like crossing early is more dangerous than peeing about doing a Peter Beagrie before crossing it. Possession is only as good as what you do with it.}

07 Oct 2025 00:42:13
my 11 year old made an observation during the Chelsea game. He said that when the defenders are passing the ball sideways inside our own half and then they launch a long ball forward that we lost, it takes Wirtz out of the game. I thought that was quite an astute observation as we'd be more effective working the ball forward and then camping in the opposition half.

at times we had the ball kind of in no man's land about 10-15 yards our side of half way going side to side and then not being ebal to move the ball to put pressure around the box.

07 Oct 2025 02:30:15
Thanks for the reply, Ed. You’re right. Speed is the solution. A few games of rock and roll instead of the symphony would be nice.

Low block teams are so well drilled not to do the exact thing this slow build up expects. They’re not going to move out the way and let us pass through them.

If you’re going to play possession based football look at Barcelona from the tikitaka days. Their team was always on the move. After every pass their players moved into space with triangles to allow the guy with the ball three options for a pass.

I hated that tikataka football. It was slow and ponderous and boring. But we’re miles away even from that.

07 Oct 2025 06:25:39
Liverpool don’t usually launch the ball forward tho, unless it’s maybe at the feet of our new keeper.

07 Oct 2025 07:08:36
Trent is going to win the Balon d’Or.

07 Oct 2025 07:32:22
We just need to change the mindset of constantly giving the ball to salah all the time, wirtz is left moving around and being bypassed just so salah gets the ball.
Reminds me of spurs where everything went through Kane, got to use wirtz more that’s why he was bought.

07 Oct 2025 08:11:36
The beauty of moving the ball fast is players are reacting and not thinking. They lose their shape and often lose their heads too.

Why do coaches overcomplicate every part of what is essentially a simple game.

07 Oct 2025 09:37:34
ED001 Peter Beagrie. not heard that name for a while . remember him beating his man several times with ease bfr attempting a cross . n then he'd try n beat himself bfr crossing it.

{Ed001's Note - used to drive me mad and so many ex-pros that played with him have moaned to me about not knowing when he would cross so they would end up not making a run at the right time.}

07 Oct 2025 09:46:40
In pre-season we played patches of one-touch football where the movement of the players was great and really exciting to watch. There were triangles of players all over the pitch and there was always an option for a quick pass. I have not seen anything like that since the season started.

We started the season ok going forward but losing all those 2-0 leads seems to have massively knocked the confidence (even though we found a way to win in the end) . These last couple of games we have again started ok but then conceded a needless goal and it has destroyed our confidence. Even then, against Palace and Chelsea we found a way back into the game but the team was set up so attacking that you will always be vulnerable at the back. It's risk/ reward. The opening 5 games it went for us but in the last couple of games it has gone against us. that's football and Slots crazy team setups late in games have won us more points than they have lost us so far.

07 Oct 2025 12:24:14
Ed01, moving the ball quickly (and effective set pieces) is the best way to break down a low block. No new ground broken in your comment. Well, except for bringing Peter Beegrie back from the stone age. Now that, was a blast from the past.

07 Oct 2025 12:43:23
In the chelsea game we had the ball nearly lost it in our pen area managed to pass our way out of danger passed it through midfield then it was passed out to MO who instead of taking on the full back turned towards his own goal passed it to a midfielder who passed it to slobz who passed to our keeper who then booted up the park which was won by chelsea player and they were on the attack . This happened several times so what play book is that out of . YNWA.