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08 May 2024 20:18:44
I would say this season Mo has missed equally as many chances as Nunez. i know Mo has socored quite a few goals, but in the last five games he has missed sitters, and no one has had a go at Mo.

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08 May 2024 20:35:44
You've obviously never been on livechat.

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08 May 2024 20:48:15
I reckon that's because Salah has scored 20 goals a season since he's been here.
Plenty have had a go at Mo. Plenty are saying he's finished and we should sell him. Some are saying we should have sold him two years ago even though they weren't saying it then.

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08 May 2024 20:46:21
If you think no one has had a go at Mo you’re living on a different planet.

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08 May 2024 18:44:39
Looking at Slot’s results against Ajax this season might suggest a ruthlessness when playing a rival which is appears to be out of sorts and fragile. Last few years it has appeared to been an issue for us overcoming these games . ie Man united.

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08 May 2024 20:06:31
Last few years we've beaten United 7-0, 0-5 and 4-0.

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08 May 2024 09:01:48
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Beckers pecker has written an article entitled, Respect Your Team's Football Players

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08 May 2024 10:10:03
Agree with your sentiments, Beckers. Although, I think that criticism is necessary to improve, the issue is when that criticism becomes personal. I have not seen any of that kind on this forum on our players thankfully, maybe thanks to the Eds filtering out the excessive posts, but social media is rife with it. Even Quansah when he made that mistake in the Utd game was abused by our "fans" on social media. And that is not considering the messages that they get in the DMs as well, where I am sure it is viler. They may not be able to see all the comments and messages but it only takes a few for them to be emotionally and mentally affected by it.

I'm still unsure if abuse on social media is the reason for Nunez's actions or if it something going on with the club but nonetheless, we should still be careful of what we say to others online. If it is not something we would say to them in person, then don't say it at all.

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08 May 2024 09:52:18
Agree with all of this, the problem I have is why the he'll are we having to explain to people how they should behave!

Firstly, I really want Darwin to stay and succeed as he looks like he cares and will always put a shift in. New manager, new ideas. I'm hoping this is exactly what he'll need going forward.

Secondly, in response to all the "he can't moan, he gets paid xyz etc" who has any right to start making personal attacks on him and his family because of what he's paid or because of poor performances. there's absolutely nothing wrong with being critical if he's had a bad game or something, that's something that all footballers need to accept. Criticism will always be there. Whether it's on TV, in the papers or on social media.
It's down to how you choose to.

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08 May 2024 09:54:49
Didn't finish last post, sorry.

I was going to go on saying its not his fault what he's paid and we need to try and get behind him rather than give personal attacks.

I really hope he stays and is on fire next season and shuts a load of people up.

Again, a few of said it but if we find the right system to play to his strengths he could bang 40 or 50 goals in.

Let's hope going forward he either ignores the media attention or just deletes all his accounts so that he can concentrate on his football.

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08 May 2024 10:11:11
I agree that supporters shouldn't be verbally abusing players and their families but when he was missing these chances last season was it those fans fault as well? It's a bit of a stretch to blame it all on those fans for Darwin's shortcomings.

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08 May 2024 10:43:24
I find it astounding that some people need to be taught the difference between abuse and criticism but that appears to be world we live in now, this isn't isolated to football it’s in every aspect of our society…whilst public figures can be paid a lot and are out in the public domain people seem to think that it’s an open door to be abusive and rotten! If people can’t draw the line between criticism and abuse then frankly there just a moron with a keyboard, and most likely a moron who is completely unqualified to comment on the topic! As for those who abuse there own players I mean honestly perhaps they should buy a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word ‘supporter’.

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08 May 2024 10:44:45
Beckers, you and I have had multiple debates on many LFC-related topics. We may agree to disagree on some while we agree on others and that's fine and the actual essence of debate. Most importantly, we have always kept it respectful. Now this article right here, is arguably your best work. Bravo, sir.

For me if Darwin and his lovely wife are getting harrassed and abused on SM then, my gloves are off with these people. At this point, we can't have actual substantive debates about Darwin, what he does well and what he can improve on and how. Nope, that's gone extinct now. This is now the era of slagging players off you don't want/ like and making their lives a living hell on SM and they justify such conduct with "he makes a ton of cash so he should be able to handle it". Pathetic and Darwin's fed up with these people and ALL power to him.

Mate, I have seen our own fans online run blatant/ despicable hit pieces on Darwin just to get clicks and likes on youtube cos Darwin attracts interest especially abuse and there is a money interest in doing it. Imagine people saying "Darwin's misses cost us points that could have won us the title". Really? That's the depths of depravity we are sealing with here proving how wretched some in our fan base can be with players they don't rate or think should NEVER have been signed.

It's fine to not rate a player when he signed BUT don't go around slagging him off at every turn like he was less than human. I did not want Oxelaide-Chamberland here when he came BUT I rooted for him even in his difficult times back then cos he is one of us and if he did well, LFC does well. Is that not what matters? Again, not to these people. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. If we quit on this kid, we will regret it.

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08 May 2024 10:54:01
I've now read it and had to check it wasn't April 1st.

Beckers you've clearly never been in Anfield watching Nunez play.

The home crowd absolutely adore him and he gets the loudest Nunez chants whether he hits the back of the net or the corner flag with a shot.

Perhaps he checks the internet at half time to see what people are posting and that ruins his confidence.

If i wanted someone who doesn't go to games to tell me how to be a supporter ill ask the Mrs.

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08 May 2024 10:54:04
Ultimately, this has all been exacerbated by the increased emotion and desperation to win since Klopp's departure was announced. Darwin is an emotional player, playing for an emotional manager and emotional fans in an emotional season.

Hopefully everything will calm down once the season ends and we can start to face up to the Klopp departure and when ready, the prospect of a new beginning.

That is not excusing any online idiots of course.

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08 May 2024 10:58:14
I always think that there’s a certain lack of empathy on the part of the critics - and I would hasten to add that I’m as guilty as the next person. My way of trying to make it constructive criticism rather than just emotive abuse is to imagine 60,000 people sitting in the office behind me offering their thoughts on how well I’m (not) doing my job and another couple of million people watching on-line with access to social media to offer their “thoughts”.

To be honest I’ve never met anybody who is perfect although there are increasing numbers on social media who think they are and who usually make the mistake of thinking their opinions are facts.

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08 May 2024 12:26:07
West Derby Wanderer3, exactly. I have said it on here that there is no grace anymore when it comes to assessing footballers and their conduct and Darwin is the biggest example. When Darwin does something that does not come off, his haters will say "Oh, he should have done this". Then, when he does what they say and still doesn't come off, "Oh, he should have done that" like, that thing thing the slated him for doing in the first place. Gary Neville is the absolute worst at this when doing our games, btw.

People in our fan base (not arsed about rival fans) who do that are just haters and agenda-driven who do NOT want the best for Darwin cos if they did and have empathy and grace esp. if you have played football at all or the CF position, you would say like, "I see what he tried to do there but it did not come off" or "Darwin did well there BUT the GK made a great save" like it happened with Vicario vs Spurs.

Nope, none of that. I think a player is crap cos I did not want him here and if he makes a mistake then, he must be crap and even when he does well, he is STILL crap. I have seen this with our online fans who have had it in with Darwin, Tsimikas or any player they don't like. Again, some of our fans are the absolute worst and with fans like these, who needs rival fans, any damn way?

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08 May 2024 12:53:47
Oli perhaps you should practice what you preach.

I’ve seen you slate players on here specifically Jota and Matip.

You seem to have a superior complex as a supporter (I say that in the loosest term possible) you openly admit you don’t go to games, you don’t watch games live, you free stream them (twice apparently despite us playing dreadfully slow and the tactics and inverted full backs system is crap) and you don’t purchase any kits.

And despite this you criticised the modern day fan the other day. So the opposite this must be fans that go to games, pay to watch them live on tv and buy kits.

Perhaps you should worry about yourself as a supporter before you talk waffle from your high horse on other fans.

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08 May 2024 13:49:57
Sorry beckets but I disagree.

If I think Nunez needs to be more clinical, which I think most agree with, that isn’t abuse. It is a criticism of a player that I spend 90 minutes of my life a week to watch and pay through tv subs, tickets and club subscriptions then I think I’m allowed that opinion.

However, if I turned around and said the guy is a moron and should head back where he comes from then that’s personal and crossing a line. (Just to clarify obviously not my view just wanted to illustrate the difference) .

Nunez is one player that you can never question his commitment. I think he causes chaos and I love watching him play. Frustrating at times but compelling too.

As for linking the abuse to his performances, that’s one hell of a stretch, for all we know he could of deleted the images as he’s decided Liverpool isn’t for him. No where does it say from Nunez it’s deleted due to abuse, it’s just guesswork.

As a final note, you can be critical and still want the lad to do well and support him on the pitch. Imagine, if we didn’t and said everything is fine, you don’t need to improve. We’d soon get complacent and someone else who has taken the criticism on board would soon take our place.

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08 May 2024 13:51:33
The general rule is absolutely fine, there are however exceptions to this, Balotelli and Diouf.

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08 May 2024 14:01:13
Jk23 as always has to mention that he goes to anfield. Well done.

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08 May 2024 14:27:45
Nunez gets a lot of support at matches, was a bit quiet on Sunday though - maybe just in my area of the ground?

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08 May 2024 14:38:28
JK23, now I know for a fact that you have no idea of what you are reading or whether you read anything at all. Ed01 called you on it the other day and now I know he was right. So let's unpack this. I have criticised players not only Jota and Matip but Naby and whoever else for not pulling their weight. Shoot, I didn't want Ox here to begin with for heaven's sake and I made it known at the time. I criticise Klopp as well, btw.

What I have NEVER done is to abuse them and their families. What I do is criticise their actual play and how they may or may not be good enuff or how they can improve. NEVER have I said they are terrible human beings and want them gone. Also, you saying that I have criticised fans for going to games or buying kits (cos I don't) is patently false cos I have NO time nor the money for such things (and I said so) so how is that an insult to those who do these things? More proof that you have NO idea what you are reading and you being a liar. Absolute rubbish.

Me? A sense of superiority? You NEVER miss a chance to tell anyone on here that you go to games all the time lauding that over everyone as if that makes your opinion more valid. Even on this thread, Beckers is talking about those who abuse Darwin and his family online and you responded by talking about the support Darwin gets from people who go to games just to make it about you. News flash: Beckers was NOT talking about ANY of that nor is this topic about you so try to keep up and once again, read what people write. Yeah, maybe it is you who needs to take your own advice, Einstein.

And mate, only heaven knows where you got the idea that cos I don't watch games live (cos I can't), I stream them off dodgy streams and all this rubbish. Your projection (something you are notorious for) is only matched by your shambolic false accusations. Do better.

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08 May 2024 14:46:13
Turn off the internet for a while and give everyone a break from it.

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08 May 2024 14:58:53
That’s a good idea and all that Mcgoveb, but how would back bench Tory MP’s be able to look at pictures of tractors.

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08 May 2024 15:22:33
Walkon do you not go to Anfield then?

Well done.

Non going match day Super fans are like buses on here.

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08 May 2024 15:23:32
oli i didn't even bother to read that reply.

Save your internet data mate, you have 2 games left to stream (well 4 technically Mr i watch every game twice)

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08 May 2024 17:04:34
I won't be told how to behave by JK23 who piles into other posters after having half read, or perhaps fully read and not quite grasped, their posts. He sets up straw men so he can knock them down which is so easy to do.

I've been going to Anfield since the mid sixties and have criticised players from Peter Thompson and Ian Callaghan to Darwin Nunez and Luis Diaz without resorting to abuse and hope I would have the courage to repeat that criticisms to the players' faces if I was fortunate enough to meet them unlike the keyboard cowards that Beckers was talking about.

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08 May 2024 17:31:20
Kemlyn where have I told how to behave?

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08 May 2024 18:43:27
JK23 I think you're fully in defensive mode! The point is that keyboard warriors who make things personal to any player or a member of their family on SM or at the ground are not the sort of people we need in society. I personally agree with this.

Do you agree with this? Or do you think it is ok to threaten, mock, ridicule players and there families?

DISCLAIMER - your seat at Anfield is not under threat of you answer this.

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08 May 2024 19:39:19
SzSz8, JK doesn't need me to fight his battles, but he's not advocating mocking or abusing our players. He's picked me up in the past when i've had a pop about one of ours, particularly Gravenberch.

Ive not been going to games as long as Kemlyn, but he's right, supporters have always had a go at certain players, it doesn't make them any less of a supporter. What's obviously changed since Kemlyn and me started going is the advent of social media. I 100% agree that when things get personal, then that is way over the line, but giving one's view point on a player, so long as it's not abusive is perfectly acceptable. For the record, I don't think Nunez will ever cut it with us. However, I will always sing his name as loud as the next man or woman. I'm not sure if that makes me an hypocrite; I will take it on the chin if it does.

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08 May 2024 20:08:25
Szsz8, keyboard warriors have always been in society it’s just social media has provided a tool for them to be heard.

The concept of social media was to help contact friends or people you lost contact with. Not type abuse at people (not just footballers) that you’ll never meet.

Add to all that that ‘hate’ creates impressions and comments from people calling it out and it really isn’t great for humanity. Hopefully it proves to be a fad we all laugh at in 20 years but I fear it’s here to stay.

As for JK, I’m sure he can defend himself but most of his comments I read are sarcasm or tounge in cheek but some take it seriously. Too seriously at times!

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08 May 2024 20:23:01
Criticise the player's ability or their attitude, if it's bad, but don't abuse them personally (unless it's Diouf or Owen) .

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08 May 2024 20:35:44
Szsz thank god my seat isn't under threat last thing you need is more people trying to pinch your streams bandwidth.

I’m not sure where I’ve said or hinted it’s ok to threaten or abuse players but to answer your question absolutely not.

For me fans who threaten or abuse players aren’t real supporters but I also can’t get my head around Darwin sat in the house at night reading the thousands upon thousands of messages or comments he would probably get daily.

Especially seems as he cannot speak English.

Nunez is a massive fan favourite and the support he gets in the ground or any away ground (sorry to mention that again as I know that triggers some) is second to none.

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08 May 2024 20:56:43
WYred thanks for the education, not needed but if it made you feel good I'm happy.

As for sarcasm did you miss it in my post?

Anyway it was a simple question, why the tangent?

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08 May 2024 21:03:02
Rome 1977! I was just asking a question, JK23 loves to change the narrative to suit his 'SARCASM' (that's for you WYred) so why is it so bad that I do it?

Seriously only joined in because of the constant I got a ticket at Anfield constant blabber, if it was just now and then but it's all the time! I will be quite now, 😀🍻.

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08 May 2024 21:23:38
How many here abused Keita and Suarez or can you choose who it's OK to abuse?

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08 May 2024 21:34:53
JK23 you used the same joke twice in the same thread, I expected better.

I asked you a question, you answered, that's great. I never said anything about anything else.

Pleased you managed to get the away games bit in aswell, glad I could help with your triggering of others 😀

Can you hold a sign up on Monday night saying SzSz8 is my favourite poster please, I just hope my stream doesn't buffer 😀.

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08 May 2024 21:40:53
Szsz you’re always welcome to join me at Anfield. I’ll even get the beers in.

No hard feelings here and I love the sarcasm back as much as I like to give it after all it’s a banter page.

Amazing how this started as we shouldn’t be hurting people’s feelings on the internet bandwagon and turned into a slanging match 🤣.

I’ll also keep QUITE as well. I’ll probably stay quiet also 🍻.

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08 May 2024 21:58:22
JK23 I struggle to be QUIET, in fairness more than I do to spell it 🤣

Free beer, now that's an offer but I'd rather have your seat as I only get tickets for 4/ 5 games a year 🍻

I was serious about the sign then, DARE YOU! 😁.

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08 May 2024 22:23:13
Glad we've all made up, chaps!

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08 May 2024 22:54:57
JK for your information I do go to games, not as many as when I had a season ticket as I’ve now moved out of Liverpool but that is totally irrelevant to what I was saying. Very presumptuous of you though and as per usual, totally incorrect.

I know Nunez gets support in the ground but there are also dissenting voices too. I’ve heard a guy in front of me screaming and swearing about how he feels Nunez isn’t good enough (using language I can’t use on here) to the point where a few of us had to tell him to shut up.

It’s funny how people like you think that paying for a ticket gives you some kind of power to say what you like. Like you have some kind of ownership of the club because you go to games?

Let me tell you what your role actually is when you go to a game because you clearly don’t understand. Just support the team as a whole and the players individually. Honestly I promise you the players will play much better knowing they have 60,000 people fighting their corner rather than moaning at every misplaced pass or missed chance.

I first started going to Anfield in 1983 at the age of 6 and I can tell you that the way fans act at games today is totally different to how it was then. We used to shout, cheer, encourage, support. These days there’s too many entitled, immature morons who think supporting a football team means winning every week and when it doesn’t happen they want to shout about how hard done by they are and how everyone should be sacked for not giving them what they want.

It baffles me. Why support a team if losing affects you like that? Losing is part of the game, missing chances is part of the game, mistakes are part of the game. If you want to resort to abuse and blaming every time it happens then you simply can’t call yourself a supporter.

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Liverpool v Tottenham Hotspur - A Quick Liverpool Perspective

08 May 2024 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Tottenham Hotspur - A Quick Liverpool Perspective

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08 May 2024 08:10:28
Thanks for the review Ed001.
I might be completely wrong but the abysmal defending can’t be down to the coaching. Surely elite players don’t need to be told the basics. To me it seems that Virgil’s laid back attitude is infectious. I really don’t think he is good captain material myself.

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{Ed001's Note - of course it can be down to coaching. The modern day obsession with midfielders playing as central defenders means they have not got the basics learnt as kids. They need to be coached. Just look at how City are working on it pre-game, that is all that is needed, a quick reminder.}

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08 May 2024 10:16:01
It makes me wonder Ed1, if Klopp had make changes to his coaching staff when things has gone stale or if he replace players at the right time instead of 1 or 2 years too late, we could have won more. Still glad that he become our manager though and in my lifetime, he is by far the best Liv manager.

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{Ed001's Note - it might have been even worse though. It is impossible to say what effect it would have had. The right people, yes it would likely have led to more trophies but the chances are it would have, at best, made little difference as Klopp was the main man. I think he goes with everyone's best wishes and love for what he brought us.}

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08 May 2024 11:02:47
Great read, Ed01. Well, it is clear that just like BR said when he was here after a loss where the defence played poorly, "the defensive side is not really my thing" or something like that, Lijnders clearly thinks the same thing. Shame cos Klopp when he was actually coaching this team, made us defensively sound over a 3:4 year span. Now, the players are being exposed in an ultra-open system and since players are no longer allowed to sort things out on their own hence are now robots, we see what we see.

As for people saying we would have won more if this or that happened, I don't subscribe to such things cos I think that is what people would like to believe whereas there is NO guarantee that that would have happened. As much as Klopp has won which is a lot (second only to Pep in his tenure), he could have won less too. People forget that we could have finished the 18/ 19 season trophyless had we not eliminated Barca. And if that happened, I don't think Klopp hangs around and then, NONE of the other trophies happen. You can't ignore that. At the end of the day, we won what we won and Klopp gets full credit for them. All the other "coulda, shoulda, woulda" stuff, is just hindsight rhetoric and hypotheticals that mean next to nothing in reality. Just my take.

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08 May 2024 11:37:19
Nice write-up, Ed.

It all smacks of time for change. Because it was Klopp I somehow convinced myself that it would be ok but when you look at it in the cold light of day, the team is not coached well enough and hasn't been for a couple of seasons.

The fact that we regularly started going behind in games from the middle of the quad chasing season and have carried on since had always baffled me. It smacked of either arrogance or laziness - or maybe both.

Then when the opposition had massive injuries or a well-known weakness in their team, we would never even attempt to take advantage of it. That always baffled me too.

Then the recruitment approach. Last season, the winter window opened with two thirds of the PL games to go due to the world cup pause. The midfield desperately needed a duellist. Yet we chose to do nothing and continued with the same issues until the last 10 games when we woke up and went on a mini-run. Had we signed a Kone type in January to help the midfield out we might not have finished outside of the top 4, tumbled out of all of the cups and put up a better fight against Real Madrid in the R16.

I feel guilty for saying it, but I look forward to the change.

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{Ed001's Note - you can still love Klopp and what he did while acknowledging it is time for a change.}

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08 May 2024 11:50:04
Absolutely, Ed.

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08 May 2024 12:03:44
It's obviously time for a change when Klopp says it's time for a change.

Oli, when did Rodgers say that and what makes you think 'Lijnders clearly thinks the same thing'?

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08 May 2024 13:51:39
I never thought we would win league this season due to the defence. obviously towards end of season we've had more problems than just defending but of the 3 teams at top I think we quite a bit the worst defensively. I do think we overly dependant on vvd and have been for a number of years, if vvd ain't playing 9 out of 10 every week we in trouble. I think if we want to win a big trophy, champ league or premiership, we need to buy 2 x cbs and 1 dm. 1 x cb and 1 x dm of absolute top quality, the other cb maybe could do with lesser and hopefully improves as he goes on.
I also would like to see us buy a more aggressive anand physiclly strong type of player for them positions. Without 2 starters of top level in them positions i don't see us figuring when it comes down to it.

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08 May 2024 14:41:38
Rigsby, BR said that in the 14/ 15 season after a game we lost. Can't remember the game itself BUT I watched the post game comments and that is what he said and I remember how that made my blood boil at the time.

As for Lijnders, I said that as a possibility in terms of approach of both coaches cos we seem to be very porous defensively, the same way we were when BR was here. Just correlating factors, that's all.

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08 May 2024 15:05:51
Oli, I thought it was a quote by Rodgers because you used quotation marks.
You also said Lijnders 'clearly thinks the same thing' and then say it is 'a possibility'. They do not correlate.
It's hard to believe either of those assertions without more information.

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07 May 2024 22:43:51
Fun one for ed001 and the posters. Know anything about Figueroa - 17 year old kid that signed with the youth team? I know nothing of him and wondering what kinda talent America has on their hands.

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{Ed001's Note - not a thing, the US has some good talents but it is difficult to pick them out because there is so much dross that they are playing against. You get far too many Adus, that simply look good because of how bad the opposition is, rather than truly good players. That's why I don't take much notice unless they leave the MLS to join the Bundesliga program, as the best youngsters get a chance to go out there and play against Bundesliga youngsters. The MLS sends its best there every year and if they perform well there, they get picked up by German teams. Then you can see how good they actually are.}

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08 May 2024 08:00:41
He's been at the Liverpool Academy since 2018 mate. Prolific scorer in the under 14s but then got an injury when he broke into the under 18's at the age of 15.He started playing again recently. His father played for Wigan and then moved to the states in 2015.He played for Dallas and his son played for the youth team, becoming available to become a youth international while there. We snapped him up when he was about 11. Nice to see he has been given his first pro contract.

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08 May 2024 09:49:03
Didn't realise he was maynor Figueroa's son. I always liked him as a player, he wasn't particularly good but scored a few worldies.

With Danns, Clark and Figueroa, we've got quite the supply of 2nd generation talent coming through!

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08 May 2024 11:01:54
And Baj’s dad too.

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08 May 2024 11:04:46
Actually walked past Maynor Figueroa at Miami international airport several years ago.

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08 May 2024 12:05:43
And Koumas.

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07 May 2024 10:38:35
Question for Ed001 or other Slot watchers.

In the coaching that he has done to date, is he a coach who adapts his tactics based on the players he has or does he have a system that he tends to stick to?

I know he has played 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 but I'm wondering how adaptable he is? In my mind, the best coaches are the ones who adapt, either to the players they have or even mid-game based on the oppo and how the team is doing.

The Darwin conversations over the last few days/ weeks have made me muse on this point. Ron's post from a few weeks back, where he said we are not playing to Darwin's strengths, made me wonder on this.

For the last 6-7 years we had been set up to play with Mane and Salah being our primary goal threats from wide, with Firmino having almost a secondary role.

Mane's gone, Firmino's gone and there's every chance that Salah will be gone by the end of the window too.

I wonder if making Darwin the focal point of our attack, a la Kane for example, would a) be a better system for us (so if Darwin still can't perform, we will find another striker to be the focal point) and b) continue our evolution beyond probably our most potent front 3 for at least 30-40 years.

In my opinion, if Slot is adaptable, I can see Darwin being given one more season - he's in contract until 2026.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't actually know, I have only seen a little of him. It is difficult to get Dutch footie here.}

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07 May 2024 11:09:21
I don't think Nunez can do what Kane does. He's nowhere near good enough with his back to goal. Gakpo is better at it but he's no Harry Kane.
I'd keep Salah for at least another season and try to build a team round TAA not Darwin Nunez.

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07 May 2024 11:57:46
Don’t watch Dutch footy but from research it appears Slot likes the cut backs, similar to how Pep had City scoring during the Sterling, Sane days. That might suit Nunez as he has less time to think, and once he is scoring his confidence will go up as a result and that’s when you see a different player.

Nunez is a tricky one. I think it would be a big risk to build a team around him. Im happy to keep him but also happy to sell to raise funds. But if pushed and it was down to me I would sell him, along with Diaz and Jota (injuries) . I would keep Salah, Gakpo and Danns.

Salah should be moved centrally and we should buy a pact right winger who can score to rotate with Elliott depending on the opposition. Szobo should play as a left inside forward or central attacking mid i. Slot’s 4-2-3-1 formation. Gakpo is capable playing with his back to goal and as a central striker, but equally as good as a left inside forward with allows for flexibility and rotation. This also gives Danns time to be integrated into the first team for when Salah eventually goes in a year or two.

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07 May 2024 11:59:44
What's up, @Zed. Hope you're doing well. Never seen Feyenoord play a minute of footie under Slot however, you are correct that he plays a 4-2-3-2 ( a variation of the Dutch version of their famed 4-3-3).

He likes to press high, play high intensity and uses his wingers very well. In fact, he loves wingers to death so Diaz and Gakpo would be excited about that. However, Slot is a Guardiola disciple hence, loves his team to have the ball a lot and loves inverting his FB's (Yay, really looking forward to that, lol) .

As for Darwin, Kane would not be the one to compare him to cos whatever we may think of Kane BUT as a footballer and a CF, he is absolutely immense. The guy can do everything even playing in the 10. Now even tho I think the abuse (football wise) that Darwin gets is a bit OTT and frankly, a bit tired cos the jokes are stale, I do believe we need to be playing to his strengths a bit more. Also, it is possible to build a team around him cos well, Benfica did it and and Bielsa with Uruguay is doing it now and he flourished/ flourishing in both situations cos both teams actually play/ played to his strengths.

Would I do that? No. He has to improve in several facets of his game to be that focal point, IMO.

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{Ed002's Note - 4-2-3-2 it is then.}

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07 May 2024 13:09:10
Ed002, I take it you didn't see Alisson's header against West Brom then? 😂.

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07 May 2024 13:10:54
So Oli, is Alisson going to be playing in defence or up top?

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07 May 2024 13:18:32
To be fair a 4-2-3-2 formation is going to solve a lot of our problems 😂😂.

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07 May 2024 13:44:32
I love a 4-2-3-2, me.

In all seriousness, I have no idea about how Slot plays but rumours are he does still like to build from deep and use inverted fullbacks on occasion. That suggests it is not rock and roll Klopp 1.0 and more like Klopp 2.0.

Personally, I would keep Darwin and hope that Slot does a better job of coaching our forwards. With Darwin, it's not as if the games are passing him by or that he is ballooning attempts high and wide. His assist execution is pretty good too, in fact better than some of the others. Therefore, I would work on his finishing choices and composure. It should be a coaches dream to be able to work with these raw assets. He has all of the ingredients to be like his compatriot Cavani.

While I have no evidence of it, I am not convinced our current coaches are working with the forwards to improve their interplay or decision making. We were probably spoilt by the fact that Firmino was as cool AF.

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07 May 2024 13:46:43
Damn fat-finger, lol.

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07 May 2024 14:30:11
Slot already signing refs?

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07 May 2024 15:25:14
“sell him (Nunez), along with Diaz and Jota (injuries) . I would keep Salah, Gakpo and Danns.

Alonso- interesting take!

Usually agree with you on most things but on this one I disagree.

Salah should go for me - looks like he’s just playing for himself, he’s lost a yard of pace, not playing well for most of the season (despite scoring goals) and probably still our most lucrative sale to rebuild the forward position.

Diaz - in my view he’s one i’d definitely keep! Always looking for the ball, always shows for it even in the big games and when the pressure is on, a true battler and hardworking player and one of the few players we have that can take on a defender. If we lose him I don’t think we have that ball carrier anymore.

Jota - seems to divide opinion but imo he’s our best finisher and always looks like he will score when he plays- an invaluable skill to have in games where you need a goal

Danns - too early to tell, still a child.

Gakpo - I can’t decide on. Blows very hot and cold. Maybe slot can get the best out of him. Has the ability to link the play which we miss otherwise.

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07 May 2024 17:59:47
From general observations it seems Slot likes to use width and he likes to play quick one touch passing (a la Thiago) to break the lines.

We’re going to need very technical players - good for Bajcetic, Mac Allister and Elliott.

That’s all I could realistically put my finger on in terms of style.

The old 4-2-3-2 is a favourite for sure.

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07 May 2024 18:16:34
Thanks for the replies.

I favour the 4-2-3-2 myself. Maybe Stephane Henchoz could come out of retirement as our rush goalie? I remember his handling in the box was impeccable at the 2001 FA Cup final!

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07 May 2024 22:30:25
In my opinion, if Diaz leaves, Nunez should be the replacement. Then perhaps one forward in to fill the front spot.

I think Nunez can be better playing as a winger.

I hope he stays. I really think he can be way way better.

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08 May 2024 01:39:05
Jose Mouriniho did say . we will play without keepers in the future n the first one to do it will be called a genius . so that 4232 might be right . well. one day.

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08 May 2024 02:39:29
By focal point, are we saying that he plays more like a traditional 9 and play more direct off the shoulder?

If that is the case, then yes, I would like that for Nunez. I think Gakpo gives us better flexibility if we are playing more fluid across the front 3.

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08 May 2024 04:04:13
Personally, id like to see a 5-4-3-2-1 formation just so the Kop could sing the Manfred Mann song in support.

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08 May 2024 08:03:18
They would have to fundamentally change the laws of the game to “play without a goalkeeper”.
Totally disagree with Mourinho, the first person to do it will be branded a moron or an arrogant fool.

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{Ed001's Note - Mourinho never actually said to play without a goalkeeper. He said to take off a goalkeeper near the end when the team needs a goal and replace with an attacking player or even a playmaker to get on the ball from deep.}

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08 May 2024 11:03:46
If we play 4 - 2 - 3 - 2 and play a goalkeeper too, doesn’t that mean we’d have 12 players on the pitch?

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08 May 2024 20:44:29
Thanks Ed001, completely different to what was suggested on earlier posts.

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{Ed001's Note - I actually watched the interview just a day or so ago and remember thinking it actually makes sense to play a player who can just get on the ball on the halfway line and allow the rest to push up further. But he was certainly not advocating for the removal of keepers from teams for 90 minutes.}

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06 May 2024 22:45:13
Darwin will come good and it would be a mistake to sell him.

At least give the new manager a chance to work with him to see if he can get a tune out of him. (Have to say tho, speaking Portuguese would have been one major benefit of hiring Amorim) .

YNWA Darwin. Hope you've left Insta and joined this site instead and are reading this lol.

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06 May 2024 23:17:38
We. Would take a big loss to sell him now.

I'd far prefer to see if he could make it under the new coach. I thought he was improving a lot up until a few weeks ago. But he has gone back a bit to falling over and tripping himself up a bit trying to get past players.

There is massive raw potential but we do need to see him make some consistent steps now and next season.

I hope we don't sell.

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07 May 2024 02:12:59
He’ll be judged by the new recruitment team and coaching staff so I’d be surprised if he’s sold and Ed002 hasn’t heard anything. If a big offer came in then every player has a price.

Will he “come good”? Fact is he’s 25 in 6 weeks or so. He’s had 2 full seasons.
We shouldn’t be talking about “raw potential” in a 25yr old outfield player.

Danns has raw potential, in fact I think he’s a better finisher, but he’s 18.

Nunez should be hitting his peak at 25.

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07 May 2024 04:17:12
Does everybody hit their peak at 25 @Ron, or is that a bit of a generalisation?

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{Ed001's Note - usually it is closer to 27-30 that is the peak.}

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07 May 2024 06:44:10
If you are in charge Ed1, what will you do with Nunez? You did say change of strategy that suits his game will help. But is the amount of easy chances that he miss really worth sticking with him because in the long run that miss chances would cost us.

You could argue that our other forward also miss a lot of chances, but he is our main striker so you would expect him to score those easy chances. Maybe a personalise coaching could help him. Putting extra effort on finishing like one on one with keeper perhaps, when to place the shot or when to blast the ball.

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{Ed001's Note - every main striker misses chances, easy ones too. If we are not going to play to his strengths, then yes we need to sell him. If we are going to actually help him out, then keep him.}

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07 May 2024 07:18:37
You can’t sign a player at the age of 23 in the hope that they come good at 27 tho. If that was the case we would be better signing him at 26. He has cost a lot of money . Saying that, he still feels to me a player that could break all goal scoring records in a season if he got his act together but the next season he would be back to missing tap ins, he is that inconsistent.

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07 May 2024 08:20:16
Even after the way he acted at the weekend? Reminds me of a fellow country man of his

Working class people paying thousands to see our team and he can't even be arsed to applaud the fans.

Good riddance, spoilt brat.

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07 May 2024 08:36:25
Darwin speaks Spanish not Portuguese.

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07 May 2024 08:42:53
I don't mind him missing chances if he regularly takes some, if that makes sense 😂.
I don't like this Captain Chaos thing. He causes less chaos when there isn't the room to run in behind teams and he isn't good with his back to goal. He's very quick and has some qualities but all this charging around is not for me and he's too easy to play against sometimes.
Keep it simple not chaotic. Stay onside, pass to a teammate in a better position and put the ball in the net.

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07 May 2024 09:52:26
I find it amusing that grown adults feel so butthurt that they are reduced to hurling insults at one of their own players.
YNWA and all that.
Playground behaviour.
You find your real supporters in times of adversity.

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07 May 2024 12:04:26
Darwin has more g/ a then Diaz even tho he missed a great chance most
games and is a few years younger still likely to get better so be mad to sell him imo.

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07 May 2024 12:12:19
Spot on, Ed01. Darwin is the only striker I have ever known that is NOT allowed to do what other strikers do as in, miss chances. No grace given at all. Also, he is the only striker I have seen whose fans blame his misses for "costing us the the title" or all that rubbish. Never seen that levelled at Salah, Mane, Bobbie, Torres or whoever when they missed loads. And even when Darwin does well and the GK makes a great reaction save (like Vicario did at Anfield flying off his line and saving his shot with his belly), he still gets abuse. Frankly, Im over it.

As much as the kid needs to improve a lot esp. in front of goal in terms of his composure, calmness and recognising what type of finish to apply in certain situations rather than whacking it all the time, we need to help and coach him up and play to his strengths and like I have said before, we need to play more crosses in, something we were doing with Sadio and Bobbie BUT suddenly we no longer do this. Funny how Gakpo scored off Harvey's cross, right? Just my opinion.

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07 May 2024 12:18:06
@Rigsby, I agree with you as well. The parts of his game you mentioned are the things he needs to improve on. He needs to be able to play with his back to goal a lot more consistently however, our current system does not allow for that either so what can he do? The whole running around and all that is what he is being asked to do hence, that's not on him now, is it?

Also, he is lethal in the air like Gakpo and Diaz are YET we don't even cross the ball consistently cos we are too busy inverting our best passer on the ball and stick the other best crosser in a back 3 hence he can't get forward. Hence, why people saying we don't play to his strengths have a point., as well even tho, it is clear he has to make some improvements and strides on his own. We have to help him get there as it is a two way street.

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07 May 2024 13:24:07
Oli, it's not just our system that hinders Nunez. If teams sit in there is less space for him to run into.
You can't expect teams to play a high line so that he can get in behind them. He needs to be smarter with his runs and build up play when teams are on the edge of their penalty area.
Regarding crosses, he's often slow to react, imo. Two cut backs were rolled across the six yard box against Everton and he was second to both. He could have scored against City but he shot straight at Ortega because he didn't get enough on it.
And if you think Nunez and Gakpo are lethal in the air you've missed out on some great headers of the ball.

There's a lot to like about Darwin Nunez but he needs to improve in a lot of areas.

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07 May 2024 13:43:19
I would sell Darwin if we got a good offer, but only a good offer wouldn't be giving him away cheaply. Unfortunately i don't think it going to work out for him at lfc, I thought it would as really liked what I seen of him at benfica and at certain times at lfc I thought he just about to explode but it ain't happened.
Ed1 has a point where the style of football now doesn't really suit him but imo even if it did his composure and play in penalty box is just allover the place, some things v good some things OK some things abysmal. I think his biggest problem is he lacks self confidence, the best strikers can miss a sitter but it doesn't bother them, get in next time and stick it away. salah done it for years missed loads of chances but always come back for more. rush only worried if he wasnt getting the chances. if nunez had a bit more aragance/ confidence about his game I think we be talking a real superstar but I don't he will ever have that.

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07 May 2024 14:07:52
Rigsby, great that we can agree that the system does not suit him. Now, could it be that the system is also a problem when playing vs low-block teams? For the most part when we play these teams, we are inverting the fullback hence, clogging up the middle of the pitch which is where majority of the bodies are. In those situations, Vs a low block, you need movement from the forwards BUT also, the ball to be moved quicker. We don't do that so even when Darwin makes the right runs (one of his strengths is his movement, btw), we can't find him cos we're "overplaying" and "over-passing".

Now, you say his runs aren't smart enuff. I disagree here. His runs, movement and how to run into space are some of his strengths as that's why he is a chance-magnet. He just needs to time them a bit better by arcing his runs to avoid offside calls, IMO. The issue again, is that cos we play this slow wretched possession footie, we don't move the ball quick enuff cos we take way too many touches before passing it hence, he is offside by a tad when the ball gets to him. It's a two-prong prob, IMO.

Regarding your examples, sure he prolly should have gotten to one of them vs Everton BUT he can't be everywhere either. As for the City one, Ortega flew off his line and smothered the shot like Vicario did at Anfield so credit to the GK there BUT he made the right run, no? As for him being lethal in the air, just go watch the headed goals he scored at Benfica and even vs Utd in the 7-0 where he scored with the back of his head generating so much power. Or vs Forest and Burnley this season. The guy is lethal in the air, man.

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07 May 2024 15:11:22
11 goals in 34 league games isn't a great return considering the chances we make. A goal every three games, is that really good enough? Nicolas Jackson has a better scoring record.

Let's not inflate his record up by including Europa league it's Micky mouse.

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07 May 2024 17:09:05
Oli, one of Nunez's strengths is his movement but he needs to do it better? Come on! 😂

When we play teams that play a low block, they will sacrifice possession to prevent us winning the ball high up the field so we have to play possession football. We still need to move the ball quickly but we also need to be patient because there is less room to run into and fewer gaps to exploit. City manage to do it without Haaland charging around and frantically knocking the ball forwards.

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07 May 2024 18:04:07
Is it the manner in which he misses?

It feels like it’s head down and foot through the ball and hope for the best.
Composed finishers pick their spot, sometimes they miss, sometimes it’s saved.
Darwin seems to just toe-end it as hard as he can.
He hits the keeper a lot, often the keeper doesn’t need to move.

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07 May 2024 20:25:13
Spot on Ron. He makes the wrong decision too much. Shoots when taking it round the keeper is easier. Belts it when a side foot is better.

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07 May 2024 22:37:34
Absolutely bang on FlashTheRed couldn’t agree more.

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08 May 2024 09:14:44
When Nunez plays well or scores the Liverpool system must work then.

Lets face it the lad has lots of positives about his game but the fact he runs offside a lot and blasts the ball more or less every chance he gets is down to him and is not the fault of the rest of the team.

The other 4 forwards seem to get in behind opposition onside despite when the ball is passed, because the timing of the run is just as important as the timing of the pass.

Nunez has to take accountability for it and with that extra bit of work from himself he will improve on this.

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08 May 2024 10:03:10
Agreed with that Ron. Nunez tends to just blast his shot in the general direction of the goal and more often than not, it ends up hitting the keeper or the grame of the goal. He gets into great positions and makes decent runs, albeit some are poorly timed. If he can just calm down and place his shots, he would have a much higher conversion rate.

Tbh, he did seem to improve in this regard for a while earlier in the season but in the recent games, he has just seemed to get more and more anxious and it feels like he is trying to force the ball in the goal. I have a feeling that once he gets that first goal, the floodgates would open for him.

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