03 Jul 2015 12:53:37
Got an awful feeling that Jordan Ibe is going to be a left wing back next season.
He was played at right back last season and actually did well. I read that he's been asked to play a bit deeper next season though, and you just wouldn't put it past Rodgers would you.
Otherwise we're just relying on Moreno to play about 60 games as things stand.
Hope I'm wrong.
{Ed002's Note - There is always Enrique.}
03 Jul 2015 13:14:56
You know Enrique has way too many assignments to be asked to play football Ed002; twitter, instagram, waxing, nail-polish. just way to many things to for him to do!
03 Jul 2015 13:38:54
Jose Enrique, Brad Smith, Joe Maguire, Kevin Stewart, Jon Flanagan (when fit)?
Emre Can and Mamadou Sakho can also play there if required. I think we are well stocked in this area and I'd rather go into the season with the chance of an academy player getting a chance rather than further reducing their chances. It's worth noting that Smith and Stewart are 21 years old. If they're not going to get a chance now then they never will and may as well be moved on
Red Rum
03 Jul 2015 14:10:52
I agree with you Red Rum. I wanted Smith to get a chance last season, and this season Stewart should. Rodgers just doesn't have faith in the kids though. He only throws them in when he has absolutely no choice. As well as Maguire we also have O'Hanlon who is a cracking player.
My fear though is that we'll sign a player like Pedro/Ntep/Cheryshev etc, pushing Ibe back into defence and cutting off all our young left backs from the first team.
03 Jul 2015 15:27:31
I think it's unlikely - moving someone from wing to wing-back is a stretch as it is let alone FB. I suspect it'll be Moreno playing 90% of the games with Enrique or perhaps even Can as a backup until Flanno hopefully gets fit again. I'd like to see Smith/Stewart though preferred over Enrique as we need to give youth a chance and Enrique hasn't looked too focussed of late.
03 Jul 2015 16:52:44
Brad Smith refused a contract with LFC last year and was then pulled back from his loan. I suspect he wants to leave and we will never see him play for LFC again.
LFC need an upgrade on Enrique, but will probably have to keep him another year until his contract expires.
03 Jul 2015 17:02:03
I don't think BR doesn't trust them it's the fact that their ether not ready or not good enough. when these young players go on loan they should have man of the match performance nearly every game if their going to play for Liverpool. If their good enough they will come throw ,but for now I haven't seen any standout defenders in the youth to make it to the first team.
{Ed001's Note - that is just a ludicrous statement and shows how little you know about football. Harry Kane was dreadful in a number of loan periods, yet now look at him. Flanagan was not a standout in the youth teams, yet the moment he got his chance he was one of the best players we had.}
03 Jul 2015 17:44:03
Quick question while the subject is up Ed01,
Do you see Flanagan getting back to where he was?
I'm seriously concerned a combination of Rodgers and his knee recovery will see him come back a different player,
Which is a massive shame because he'd knock Moreno out of that left back spot in that form no problem.
Cheers mate.
{Ed001's Note - possibly, impossible to say really.}
03 Jul 2015 18:47:30
It all goes down to what we're aiming for. Top4,winning cups sorry mate you tell me which from the current youth team can play for any PL side . Think we should stop over hyping these players . I don't know anything about football but I bet you non of the current u21 defenders will make it to play the PL
{Ed001's Note - you mean like Ibe couldn't make it? You are typical of the kind of 'fan' that knows absolutely nothing about the game and just wants to whine about something. The only way you will find out if a player is good enough is by giving them a proper chance. Saying that non of them will make it is just another clueless statement as it is not just about their ability as to whether they will make it. They could get bad injuries, they could play for a team that buys so many squad fillers there is no space for them to get a game even in an injury crisis, they could have a manager that refuses to give youth players a chance unless absolutely out of any other option or they could just be unlucky. It is not all about ability. You only have to look at the way Coady, who was never given a chance, has had no issue climbing back up the divisions now he has regular football and has just joined Wolves in the Championship. All it takes is regular football and the right attitude and players will prove you wrong. Though I am sure you will still know best, even though you clearly have no idea what you are blathering on about and have clearly also had no involvement in youth football at all.}
03 Jul 2015 19:30:33
Can't you read mate I said DEFENDERS unless you want Ibe at rightback . that's the thing with you Ed's when someone post his opinion you all get rude and non off us knows any thing about football nixt time try to read the post
{Ed001's Note - are you really going to keep arguing about something you know nothing about? Stewart will. You won't know anything about him don't worry. And I am not getting any ruder than you are being about young players at the academy of the club you are pretending to support. By the way, if you weren't so busy being whining, you would be able to read back your post and see that you said, and I quote: you tell me which from the current youth team can play for any PL side.
So tell me, when you can learn how to read your own nonsense, where I got it wrong by mentioning Ibe? I am sick of the imbeciles that slag off every academy player when they have no idea what they are talking about.
03 Jul 2015 20:20:08
Wazintime, your post is one of the most senseless I've ever read on here and I've read a lot of them. First, you say you know nothing about footie YET you say non of our youth players will make it in the PL. So how do you know they won't make it when you have confessed that you know nothing about footie? See the rubbish you just posted? You say our players just aren't good enuff. Are you basing that on a the antics of a failure of a manager and his inability to trust youth players or on your confessed cluelessness in the game of footie? See another piece of rubbish you just posted? Your post has so many holes in it that it's tough where to begin to rip it apart. I suggest you stop posting on a topic you clearly know nothing about.
03 Jul 2015 20:20:45
My reply is for the above post from EMS about defenders but you stepped in to save the day with your wisdom( by the way he can't defend )yes let's put Stewart on and make mistakes that will ruin him . And then compline why we'er mid table team . If you want to be the best you have to have the best with ideas like yours we're only going backwards.
{Ed001's Note - right because putting a player in and them making mistakes ruins them. Like it ruined Carragher, that is why he went nowhere when his early career was a struggle right? You are just making yourself look silly. You know nothing about this at all. You are one of those muppets that regurgitate the crap idiots spout that have never had any involvement in youth football to excuse themselves for never playing an academy player. I will stick to what experts in the field, such as Dario Gradi have said, which is that you need to play them to find out and they have to make mistakes to learn from them. Still I am sure you know better than the best youth development coach English football has had in recent times.}
03 Jul 2015 20:47:03
Yes you play them but not when the stakes are high and everyone demand results. The top teams in the league all have youth on par with ours but I don't see them breaking through at Chelsea, City because they are competing with the best so they have to be very good .But ours can't even compete with our bad defenders tells it's own story . Just because I want the best for my team doesn't make me portending to be a Liverpool fan
{Ed001's Note - you mean like Chelsea didn't play Zouma? Or is that just something that went completely over your head. They aren't playing because our manager only pays lip service to using youth players, not because they aren't better than the likes of Skrtel and Johnson. If he grew some balls then he would stop wasting the club's money on 7 players every summer, when we could use the youth.}
03 Jul 2015 21:02:18
12 mil Zouma two years in Ligue 1 is a youth player now OK
{Ed001's Note - he was an U21 player. I fail to see your point? Is he not a young player that was given a chance, even though he might make mistakes? Or does it not suit you to count him?}
03 Jul 2015 21:13:34
Mr redohio when I said I don't know anything about football is that what the Ed said about me . You read all my posts and they are all rubbish, it must taken you couple of seconds because I don't post much. but anyway thanks for reading
03 Jul 2015 21:28:46
Don't get me wrong defenders will always do mistakes but how often you get away with it . I'm not slagging our academy players we have some very good forward players ,and Rossiter .Zouma is a good example that if you're good you will force your way to the team
{Ed001's Note - not true, he is an example that if you are good enough you deserve a chance, but he is also an example of how managers will trust players that have cost money over ones that are just as good that didn't. Carragher, for instance, only got games because we were short of players, not because it was felt he was good enough. Coady was felt good enough but was never given a chance so left. There are plenty of examples of players who are good enough that have to leave to get an opportunity that turn out to be mistakes, such as Matic of Chelsea. He was never given a chance so ended up leaving and then they had to pay big to bring him back. It is not about their ability, it is about the bravery of the manager to take a chance on young players that are going to be inconsistent.}
03 Jul 2015 21:57:47
The Matic thing is down to deferent managers and the way they play, Matic was born to play in a Mourinho team and I think if Jose was the manager then Matic wouldn't be sold . We as a club are a mess but if we stick to a system and buy/develop youth player for that system then all our youth players will look like world beaters just like saints players and teams will buy them play a deferent system and they will look rubbish
04 Jul 2015 06:01:37
This is a banter page so I am not going to ridicule you, however I disagree with everything you said. How does anyone know if a young player will make it, if that young player isn't given a chance? Youth players when given a chance are developing and we all learn from mistakes. The mark of a good youth player is the one who recognises his mistake and doesn't repeat it; grows as a player. Our youth system is NOT a mess. I believe FIFA put us as second in Europe after Barca for our youth system. Without it we would never have had players like Stevie, Owen, God or Carra. All of these LFC 'Legends made mistakes when being brought through, but the managers of that time supported them, look how they turned out!
04 Jul 2015 08:37:29
We need to drop the 3-4-3 formation it didn't work last season and we got some awful results from it.